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| 05:40.23 | RobNC | wow Debian etch frozen? http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS3128387759.html |
| 05:40.48 | RobNC | joshin are u on VDSL? |
| 05:41.18 | joshin | Yes RobNC. Why? |
| 05:42.01 | RobNC | cool, I helped deveop that. Just too bad it's not avail where I live. What is your data rate profile? |
| 05:42.46 | joshin | It is 3mbps down and around 1mbps up. The best that Qwest offers here. |
| 05:43.06 | RobNC | um, that's no better than ADSL, or perhaps ADSL2 |
| 05:43.38 | RobNC | In SBC territories, they can get 25Mbps down, 3Mbps up |
| 05:43.42 | joshin | Nope but Qwest hasn't installed a DSL capable phone switch in the area so we're stuck with it. |
| 05:43.53 | joshin | It is a marketing limit rather than a bandwidth limit. |
| 05:43.53 | RobNC | but that is also with IPTV as well |
| 05:43.59 | joshin | Yes. |
| 05:44.11 | RobNC | gotcha... what's the modem make/model? |
| 05:45.04 | joshin | Not sure. It is an all-in-one unit that's upstairs (and I'm not) that integrates both TV & Net connection... I can go check. |
| 05:45.16 | RobNC | sounds likes it is 2Wire |
| 05:46.51 | RobNC | some of those you can SSH into (if it isn't disabled) and determine the SNR margin and bitrate. |
| 05:47.10 | joshin | Nextlevel CV30000 |
| 05:47.16 | joshin | Is the model number on it. |
| 05:47.24 | joshin | Ooh, that sounds interesting. :) |
| 05:47.27 | RobNC | ah thanks for looking but never heard of that. |
| 05:48.21 | joshin | Oh well. Now you've got me tempted to try and hack into it. :) |
| 05:48.29 | RobNC | yeah sometimes they even have a web interface that they let customers use to do routing, etc. and probably buried somewhere in there is a menu for VDSL profile, etc. You can't get more than you're provisioned, but it at least tells you theoretically how much more you can get. |
| 05:48.55 | RobNC | does it also have wireless? |
| 05:49.02 | joshin | Nope, no wireless. |
| 05:49.29 | RobNC | ah ok, could blame "hack attemps" on some teenager next door :-) |
| 05:49.53 | joshin | :) |
| 05:50.16 | joshin | Anyhow, I'm off to bed. 7 hours until the kids are awake and noisy... :) Night! |
| 05:50.17 | RobNC | but either way, this information should be available w/o hacking. Believe me, if you were to hack it, they'd probably know. Even if they didn't find out about it, they probably have upstream and downstream traffic shapers outside of your reach. If they did it right. |
| 05:50.28 | RobNC | ok take care |
| 05:50.52 | joshin | You too. |
| 05:51.13 | RobNC | thks (I know about kids too!) |
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| 09:56.42 | oleo | Is it possible to install with ipkg two packages with the same name but different locations? |
| 10:30.56 | oleo | should I consider renaming package ipkg to ipkg-opt? |
| 10:31.20 | oleo | as I did with uclibc->uclibc-opt |
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| 11:03.51 | rwhitby | http://pastebin.ca/286106 <- openwrt boot on nslu2 |
| 11:04.47 | hrw|work | openwrt? |
| 11:04.51 | hrw|work | bleh |
| 11:05.28 | NAiL | heh |
| 11:07.28 | hrw|work | I use openwrt for ~1.5 year on my router |
| 11:07.48 | rwhitby | hrw|work: what do you use on it now? |
| 11:07.52 | NAiL | if only debian could use softfloat, it'd be great for my stuff |
| 11:07.58 | hrw|work | rwhitby: wrt54gs |
| 11:08.24 | rwhitby | hrw|work: what firmware on it? |
| 11:09.09 | hrw|work | rwhitby: openwrt 'whiterussian' rc5 |
| 11:09.25 | hrw|work | they do not support upgrades in other way then reflash |
| 11:09.58 | rwhitby | I'm thinking that my fsg-3 might end up running either Debian or OpenWRT. So I'm building up to that by porting both those distros to the nslu2 and nas100d first ... |
| 11:10.01 | hrw|work | so I stay with rc5 - if I have to reflash then I will change to something not openwrt based probably |
| 11:10.49 | rwhitby | hrw|work: is Angstrom up to the task of a wireless router box with vlans and stuff ? |
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| 11:11.48 | Kaloz | hrw|work: this will change in kamikaze, for whiterussian be happy with what you have :) |
| 11:14.27 | hrw|work | Kaloz: 2008 release year? |
| 11:14.51 | hrw|work | rwhitby: probably can be done - matter of initscripts and netbase |
| 11:15.39 | Kaloz | hrw|work: anyways, i can't see your problem, as most of the stuff is stored in nvram on wr.. that isn't erased on reflash - if you customized other stuff then you cna back it up, simply (or even create a patch and compile your own) |
| 11:16.19 | hrw|work | Kaloz: I'm used to 'apt-get update;apt-get upgrade' way of updates |
| 11:16.59 | Kaloz | hrw|work: nope, not 2008.. if you would ever look into svn, you would realise that most work happened on Kamikaze.. and the fact that you have a $60 router doesn't mean it has to be the main target, as there is fewer broadcom based (and usable) devices each day |
| 11:17.14 | hrw|work | Kaloz: and I understand it |
| 11:17.15 | Kaloz | hrw|work: fine.. i hope you know that apt-get alone wouldn't fit into your flash |
| 11:17.27 | hrw|work | Kaloz: I'm happy with current state of my router |
| 11:17.46 | hrw|work | Kaloz: I use embedded devices - I know that apt-get is not for flash |
| 11:17.50 | hrw|work | Kaloz: and I know ipkg |
| 11:17.51 | Kaloz | hrw|work: ipkg upgrade works on most stuff btw, just it's not advised |
| 11:18.56 | Kaloz | as you can't upgrade the kernel (due to the fact the firmware layout was designed by broadcom) and you can't really uprade busybox (sometimes works, sometimes not) |
| 11:19.08 | eiffel_ | apt-get / dpkg uses too much ram swapping 40mb and more is not funny just to upgrade some files |
| 11:19.09 | hrw|work | and uclibc and libgcc |
| 11:19.20 | Kaloz | the main problem is that we could happily make different fun stuff for your 8MB flahs, but 80% of the users are on 4MB |
| 11:19.33 | Kaloz | so we can't design the firmware for 8MB devices really |
| 11:19.37 | Kaloz | rwhitby: nah :) |
| 11:19.39 | hrw|work | I know, I know |
| 11:20.01 | Kaloz | hrw|work: belive me, i would be the happiest if not 90% of consumer stuff would be crippled |
| 11:20.22 | hrw|work | Kaloz: I believe |
| 11:20.36 | hrw|work | Kaloz: I have problem with fitting x11 based stuff in 14M of flash |
| 11:20.58 | Kaloz | hrw|work: hehe :) are you crosscompiling xorg against uclibc? |
| 11:21.09 | hrw|work | Kaloz: glibc |
| 11:21.26 | Kaloz | btw, as a good hw design, i have a pronghorn metro board, too :) just the price of that isn't too nice |
| 11:21.43 | Kaloz | hrw|work: ah, then sure, that cna be hard.. probably would fit there with uclibc |
| 11:22.12 | hrw|work | Kaloz: it is easy as long as you can use kdrive on fbdev |
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| 12:17.38 | NAiL | ~seen likewise |
| 12:17.45 | jbot | likewise <n=chatzill@82-171-189-134.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 2d 12h 48m 35s ago, saying: 'good nite'. |
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| 13:01.10 | oleo | Kaloz , I have running Optware packages on OpenWRT whiterussian. |
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| 20:20.10 | Jollino | hello, i just got my nslu2 :) |
| 20:23.26 | NAiL | likewise: ping? |
| 20:23.51 | likewise | pong, bang, clash, burn. |
| 20:23.57 | likewise | hi! :-) |
| 20:24.08 | likewise | jollino: congrats |
| 20:24.20 | likewise | jollino: now, just don't brick it |
| 20:24.29 | NAiL | likewise: I sent you a mail re. epia & linuxbios. Read it? |
| 20:24.31 | Jollino | it's just very, very, very slow :( |
| 20:24.39 | Jollino | lol i haven't even flashed it, i'm using the vanilla firmware |
| 20:24.41 | likewise | whoops, no, leonw address? |
| 20:24.46 | Jollino | but it's VERY slow |
| 20:24.49 | Jollino | like... transfers get stuck |
| 20:25.08 | NAiL | likewise: Can't remember actually. Don't have the mailaddress here |
| 20:25.30 | NAiL | likewise: anyway, I've got a rev.b epia m10k. I wondered if you had a ready-made bios? :) |
| 20:25.46 | likewise | NAiL: lemme check. |
| 20:26.08 | Jollino | any hints on why the slug might be so slow to be unusable? |
| 20:26.12 | likewise | NAiL: I have to see where I left the source tree... Lemme first check the board rev of mine. |
| 20:26.25 | likewise | NAiL: yup, a rev. B |
| 20:26.47 | NAiL | yeah, you mentioned that on your success-report on linuxbios ml |
| 20:26.56 | NAiL | so I dug up my old card |
| 20:27.03 | NAiL | and it's the same one ;) |
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| 20:27.31 | likewise | NAiL: worst case, I have to rebuild. I have left the subversion revision at their wiki, with the single patch I needed for that revision. |
| 20:27.47 | likewise | NAiL: and a lot of magic to extract the VGA BIOS code etc. |
| 20:28.26 | likewise | NAiL: I am desperate to find my source tree back, so just ping me everytime you see me. |
| 20:28.29 | NAiL | yeah, I saw that. I just hoped that you had the known-good one, just in case something went bad during compile and stuff :P |
| 20:28.53 | likewise | NAiL: yes, sure, np. Do you have a secondary FlashROM? (I have lotsof, can snailmail you one) |
| 20:29.04 | NAiL | Nope |
| 20:29.52 | likewise | NAiL: OK, try to find a decent tool to extract the BIOS ROM from its socket. I use a very tiny screwdriver under a big angle (as flat as possible to the PCB). Or a real chip puller. |
| 20:30.35 | NAiL | [g2]: yeah, I know. But I've done it with a tiny screwdriver before ;) |
| 20:31.02 | likewise | :-) |
| 20:31.09 | [g2] | likewise you mentioned something about lzma testing on the ml ? |
| 20:31.34 | likewise | Sure, John Reiser said he had a LZMA kernel compressor |
| 20:31.47 | likewise | which was still on my own todo, so I asked him for the code. |
| 20:31.59 | likewise | Don't know his IRC nick though, you guys know him? |
| 20:32.06 | [g2] | dunno either |
| 20:32.09 | NAiL | no idea |
| 20:32.19 | [g2] | but I'd have thought lzma compressors were around |
| 20:32.33 | NAiL | hmm |
| 20:32.57 | NAiL | wonder if any of them are large enough |
| 20:33.10 | likewise | See: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.misc.nslu2.devel/1385 |
| 20:33.47 | likewise | NAiL: you need a compatible part (I have the double-sized part which is OK as long as you use the upper half) |
| 20:35.39 | [g2] | likewise doesn't busybox have a lzma compressor ? |
| 20:35.44 | likewise | I am rebooting this box in a minute... |
| 20:35.47 | likewise | [g2]: yes |
| 20:36.18 | [g2] | Ok, I don't understand what you were trying to do with the compressor then :( |
| 20:36.34 | likewise | [g2]: but the compressor can be used in different ways: kernel compressor/decompressor, file compressor/decompressor, filesystem compressor/decompressor. |
| 20:37.02 | likewise | OpenEmbedded does the latter two already (lzma and squashfs-lzma) but not the first |
| 20:37.53 | likewise | [g2]: when a device starts the kernel, its actually starts a decompressor, which decompresses a piggybacked compressed kernel into ram, then starts the real kernel from ram. |
| 20:38.02 | likewise | currently, gzip is used for this |
| 20:38.13 | [g2] | Ok. so squashfs-lzma is on the whole fs and lzma is just one of compresson/decompression algo's. |
| 20:38.21 | likewise | yes. |
| 20:38.31 | [g2] | probably the tightest |
| 20:38.48 | likewise | the compressor tool is also called 'lzma', just like 'bzip2' |
| 20:38.56 | likewise | tighest in what terms? |
| 20:39.03 | likewise | decompressor code size? |
| 20:39.04 | [g2] | best compression |
| 20:39.17 | likewise | [g2]: no, lzma gives 30% smaller kernels |
| 20:39.17 | [g2] | (generally) best compression |
| 20:39.34 | likewise | gzip has lousy compression |
| 20:39.39 | [g2] | that's what makes lzma the best |
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| 20:40.04 | likewise | yes, although lzma gives a slight decompression speed penalty (+10%?) |
| 20:40.08 | [g2] | right and we're now talking about using lzma instead of gzip for the kernel compressor |
| 20:40.14 | likewise | [g2]: correct |
| 20:40.19 | likewise | time to reboot then :-) |
| 20:40.30 | [g2] | one prepends a different uncompressor on the Image |
| 20:40.45 | [g2] | and obviously compresses the Image differently |
| 20:42.20 | [g2] | z and j are my friends :) |
| 20:43.57 | [g2] | mwester_ it's uploading via tiny pipes 30KB/s |
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| 20:44.26 | [g2] | I just finished pushing a 75MB tarball up the the server |
| 20:44.49 | mwester_ | I thought you had a T1 line or better? |
| 20:45.14 | [g2] | mwester_ I did until a couple months ago. Then I switch to a hosted server |
| 20:45.34 | [g2] | the server's got about 5X the BW at about 1/5 the price |
| 20:45.41 | [g2] | so it's around a 25X gain |
| 20:45.57 | [g2] | the problem is between here and the server |
| 20:46.10 | [g2] | but I can now pull at 6Mbs+ :) |
| 20:46.48 | [g2] | and if I was pushing from somewhere with a big pipe it could accept that fast too |
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| 20:55.45 | likewise | re |
| 20:56.41 | dumfrac | ~seen tbm |
| 20:57.07 | jbot | tbm <i=msm34@student.cusu.cam.ac.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #nslu2-linux, 269d 6h 14m 51s ago, saying: 'likewise: thanks'. |
| 20:57.40 | likewise | no thanks |
| 20:58.00 | mwester_ | Now there's someone MIA. |
| 20:58.42 | dumfrac | no - he's active, just not on nslu2-linux for little while :-) |
| 20:58.42 | likewise | NAiL: the linuxbios for the epia is probably on my... epia itself, which has a external PSU problem (too weak too spin-up drive...) |
| 21:00.11 | [g2] | likewise so do you have a lzma kernel decompressor ? |
| 21:01.14 | likewise | [g2]: no, john reiser announced one on oe or nslu2 ml. |
| 21:01.52 | [g2] | likewise Ok so you weren't aware of the openwrt one (if it exists) |
| 21:02.12 | likewise | [g2]: no, I have only seen one for MIPS targets. |
| 21:02.20 | [g2] | but I'm guessing you'd want to run with lzma compression on the kernel and squash-lzma |
| 21:02.49 | likewise | whereas most of the code is arch independent, the initial boot is arch dependent, so has to call in to the decompressor. |
| 21:03.06 | likewise | [g2]: yes, for optimum flashrom use, that would be nice. |
| 21:03.26 | likewise | h/w change fiddling, rebooting again. |
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| 21:28.05 | likewise | re |
| 21:28.08 | likewise | NAiL: http://www.esrac.ele.tue.nl/~leon/linux/ |
| 21:29.57 | likewise | NAiL: ping |
| 21:35.57 | Jollino | does anyone run os x here? |
| 21:37.04 | [g2] | Jollino a little |
| 21:37.20 | [g2] | my Intel Mac mini boots edgy by default |
| 21:37.24 | Jollino | [g2]: have you ever experienced VERY slow write performance to a vanilla slug? |
| 21:38.19 | [g2] | Jollino I haven't run the slug forever (I've got my own hw for a while), but a long time ago (years) there were a couple issues |
| 21:38.49 | [g2] | are you running many apps on it ? |
| 21:38.59 | Jollino | on the slug? |
| 21:39.02 | [g2] | yeah |
| 21:39.07 | Jollino | i just bought it a few hours ago |
| 21:39.11 | Jollino | it's running the standard firmware |
| 21:39.38 | [g2] | oh you're talking about the standard firmware ? |
| 21:39.44 | Jollino | yes |
| 21:39.54 | Jollino | that's what i meant by vanilla slug, sorry for not being clearer |
| 21:40.05 | [g2] | Ah... np |
| 21:40.11 | Jollino | what bothers me is that windows xp (in a virtual machine running in Parallels) works perfectly |
| 21:40.20 | [g2] | well I haven't run that in really forever :) like 2.5 years |
| 21:41.35 | [g2] | I didn't believe in the linksys firmware 2.5 years ago. I don't have much confidence in it now :) |
| 21:41.48 | likewise | Jollino: not much ppl here using the default firmware, I would guess. |
| 21:41.50 | Jollino | lol |
| 21:42.00 | Jollino | likewise: i know, but i was just wondering i was lucky. :) |
| 21:42.25 | Jollino | i read that os x seems to have problems with samba 2 servers |
| 21:42.28 | NAiL | pong |
| 21:43.59 | likewise | NAiL: I uploaded the source tree, which holds my builds inside for Linuxbios-epia. |
| 21:44.07 | Jollino | maybe i should go for the unslung firmware, hoping it helps. to downgrade it in case i need to, would i just upload the latest firmware found on linksys' website? |
| 21:44.25 | NAiL | likewise: got it |
| 21:44.36 | likewise | NAiL: the FILO bootloader which is embedded in linuxbios, is from the 0.4.2 source tree (just verified that using md5) |
| 21:45.47 | likewise | NAiL: I should probably re-do the whole build from scratch and make notes. |
| 21:48.46 | likewise | NAiL: the binary to flash into ROM is in: linuxbios/targets/via/epia-m/epia-m/*.bin |
| 21:49.19 | likewise | NAiL: linuxbios.rom for the standard ROM. double.rom for a double-sized ROM. |
| 21:50.08 | NAiL | thanks |
| 21:50.20 | NAiL | what's up with the vga-bios stuff. Is it embedded in the bios rom? |
| 21:50.48 | likewise | NAiL: but the bootloader has a hardcoded kernel argument list: it loads "hda1:/vmlinuz" and uses "root=/dev/hda1 console=tty0 console=ttyS0,115200" |
| 21:51.15 | likewise | vga-bios: yes, the vga bios was extracted from the proprietary VIA BIOS. |
| 21:51.42 | likewise | NAiL: this bootloader setting was set in filo-0.4.2/defconfig (see the top) |
| 21:52.12 | NAiL | well, it's the correct partition |
| 21:52.19 | NAiL | so it doesn't matter |
| 21:52.27 | NAiL | and it runs headless, so that's a good cmdline |
| 21:53.04 | likewise | NAiL: Also, you might want to find an Ethernet card which can be used program the FlashROMs in (although I always did it by hot-swapping the flashROM while the epia was running linux) |
| 21:53.17 | likewise | s/used program/used to program/ |
| 21:53.24 | NAiL | I've hotswapped a couple of times before |
| 21:53.31 | likewise | ok, good :-) |
| 21:53.41 | NAiL | although though that was larger chips |
| 21:53.45 | NAiL | brb |
| 21:53.52 | likewise | k |
| 22:02.23 | NAiL | likewise: Is there any difference in boot speed? |
| 22:02.46 | likewise | NAiL: only 2 seconds before the Linux kernel |
| 22:02.52 | NAiL | ooh, nice |
| 22:03.09 | likewise | NAiL: yup, and that's with serial debugging enabled (slowing the LinuxBIOS down a bit) |
| 22:03.31 | NAiL | well, I guess I could disable that later on when I'm familiar with it |
| 22:03.39 | NAiL | haven't touched linuxbios for like... five year |
| 22:03.40 | NAiL | s |
| 22:03.54 | NAiL | Ran it on a dell poweredge 2450 (iirc) |
| 22:04.10 | likewise | NAiL: I would like to use LinuxBIOS on more x86 platforms, but it's very dependent on the motherboard chipset etc. |
| 22:04.34 | NAiL | yeah, I've noticed |
| 22:04.38 | NAiL | shame actualy |
| 22:05.08 | likewise | NAiL: yup, only one mb maker seems to actively support it, cannot remember the name though (Tiger something?) |
| 22:05.17 | NAiL | Tyan |
| 22:05.20 | NAiL | probably |
| 22:05.23 | likewise | duh, yes |
| 22:05.29 | NAiL | I had a Tyan Tiger mobo earlier |
| 22:05.33 | likewise | "sounds like" :-) |
| 22:05.50 | NAiL | dual pIII. Shame I broke it before I could run linuxbios on it ;) |
| 22:05.58 | likewise | :-/ |
| 22:07.09 | NAiL | Anyway, I'll be testing it during christmas I guess |
| 22:07.17 | NAiL | thanks for the bios |
| 22:07.26 | NAiL | I'll let you know what I end up with |
| 22:08.27 | NAiL | Time for bed |
| 22:08.30 | NAiL | nite all |
| 22:08.43 | likewise | nite! |
| 22:16.46 | [g2] | nite |
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| 22:28.13 | likewise | nite [g2] |
| 22:28.14 | likewise | euh, never mind |
| 22:28.30 | likewise | that probably was a reaction to NAiL... :-) |
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