| 00:15.43 | oleo | eno: ping |
| 00:49.48 | eno | oleo, pong |
| 00:53.20 | oleo | eno: Do you know if python works on wl500g target? Now I've tried with libstdc++ without success. |
| 00:53.58 | eno | i don't know since i don't have a wiley |
| 00:54.57 | oleo | file python2.4 shows python2.4: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, no machine, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 00:55.27 | oleo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.53 | oleo | what is reported on nslu2 with file? |
| 00:56.17 | eno | on slug it's: |
| 00:56.27 | eno | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:57.06 | eno | maybe it never worked? need to ask whoever promoted it |
| 00:58.27 | oleo | didn't look into patches, but: "Is there any ARM dependent issues?" |
| 00:59.01 | rwhitby | eno: for lots of wl500g packages, just compiling was enough for promotion - it may not have been tested |
| 01:01.08 | eno | checking... |
| 01:02.16 | oleo | I can say: py* py-* is broken on wl500g from day one. |
| 01:02.32 | rwhitby | not surprising |
| 01:03.42 | eno | could not find anything arm specific right now |
| 01:04.31 | eno | we probably should have some mechanism like the alpha testing |
| 01:05.07 | rwhitby | well, we put the packages out there, and if someone complains that it doesn't work then it is either fixed or demoted |
| 01:05.28 | rwhitby | (since there is no active wl500g package manager - anyone want the job?) |
| 01:05.43 | eno | so we should demote py* for wiley now |
| 01:06.13 | eno | i thought jf is wl500g pkg manager |
| 01:06.44 | rwhitby | he is, but has no time to work on it |
| 01:07.04 | rwhitby | eno: yes, if it doesn't work, then add it to WL500G_BROKEN_PACKAGES |
| 01:07.06 | eno | i can try to get python to work on wl500g if you give me access to one |
| 01:07.34 | eno | remote access is fine, cannot promise on the time |
| 01:07.47 | oleo | I wanted to know this as there is a lot of py*ckages and want to promote uClibc++ |
| 01:08.53 | rwhitby | eno: my only wl500g is my internet gateway, and I cannot give you access to that. |
| 01:09.03 | eno | understand |
| 01:09.21 | rwhitby | ka6sox might have a dev wl500g available |
| 01:09.27 | rwhitby | not sure if he is using it in production |
| 01:09.36 | oleo | eno: I can give you access on my wl500g. |
| 01:10.32 | eno | thx oleo, right now someone need to mark python* broken |
| 01:11.15 | rwhitby | anyone with cvs write access can do that |
| 01:12.04 | oleo | I say. It is not broken if it compiles. I can live with that. |
| 01:12.56 | rwhitby | no, if it doesn't run then it is broken. |
| 01:13.28 | rwhitby | the thing is that when new packages are added to optware, they are not tested on every target. If it compiles, and has not previously been marked as broken, then it is promoted by default. |
| 01:14.14 | oleo | Yes but if you follow wl500g forum then you can see in which packages is interest. And then you can put effor on it. |
| 01:14.14 | CIA-8 | 03bzhou * 10unslung/Makefile: mark all py* packages broken for wl500g |
| 01:15.03 | rwhitby | oleo: true - that's the job of the wl500g package manager (or others who are interested) |
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| 05:26.56 | geojeff | i just successfully got into redboot, on a slug that had been unslung last august. i had forgotten the ip i had set it to, and now want to set it to something new. i need basic network help to understand what the ip should be. |
| 05:38.28 | geojeff | i think i need to set it back to 192.168.1.77, and then set up a little lan off my ubuntu machine. then i could hit the admin pages. |
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| 12:40.08 | elwood42 | Hi everybody |
| 12:40.17 | NAiL | morning |
| 12:40.24 | elwood42 | little question about crosscompil |
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| 12:41.07 | elwood42 | when I use my crosscompil tools like this : make modules ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=/usr/src/synology/build/gcc-3.4.4-glibc-2.2.5/armv5b-softfloat-linux/bin/armv5b-softfloat-linux- |
| 12:42.02 | elwood42 | there is no kernel_version for my modules |
| 12:42.29 | NAiL | dwery-away: ping? |
| 12:43.12 | elwood42 | but with same sources, same .config, when I do not use crosscompil tools, I have kernel_version for my modules |
| 12:43.26 | NAiL | that's odd |
| 12:43.37 | elwood42 | what may be wrong with my crosscompil tools ? |
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| 12:50.57 | geojeff | i am into redboot on a slug that was successfully unslung and boots fine. i just can't remember its ip address. will doing ip_address -l 192.168.1.77 do what i need to be able to access normal telnet on normal boots? |
| 12:52.30 | NAiL | no |
| 12:52.36 | NAiL | that only sets the IP while in RedBoot |
| 12:52.44 | geojeff | ah, got it |
| 12:53.02 | geojeff | that's for when you need to reflash or something |
| 12:53.10 | geojeff | which i don't need to do now |
| 12:53.24 | NAiL | It might be possible to dump the sysconfig partition though... |
| 12:53.44 | NAiL | but that requires a bit more RedBoot knowledge than I've got :-P |
| 12:54.21 | geojeff | ok :) |
| 12:54.31 | NAiL | you can try something like "fis list", see which partition is the sysconfig partition and use the offset with "dump -b 0x<offset> -l 1024" |
| 12:55.47 | NAiL | If I remember my RedBoot fu, that'll dump what you need |
| 12:56.52 | NAiL | tell me if it helps ;) |
| 12:57.18 | geojeff | fis list didn't work |
| 12:57.28 | NAiL | hmm |
| 12:57.31 | geojeff | it puts up the help |
| 12:57.31 | NAiL | two secs |
| 12:58.02 | EvilDevil_ | geojeff why don't you use a tool like nmap to find out the ip address? |
| 12:58.26 | dwery-away | NAiL: pong |
| 12:58.27 | geojeff | i wondered if there was a tool like that :) |
| 12:58.33 | NAiL | geojeff: try dump -b 0x50040000 -l 1024 |
| 12:58.38 | geojeff | ok |
| 12:59.01 | NAiL | dwery-away: Do you have any idea on elwood42's problem? It's a DS101j where the modules won't insmod... |
| 12:59.16 | NAiL | DiskStation> insmod -f /volume1/test/nfsd.o |
| 12:59.16 | NAiL | Using /volume1/test/nfsd.o |
| 12:59.17 | NAiL | insmod: couldn't find the kernel version the module was compiled for |
| 12:59.30 | dwery-away | different magic number/version.. |
| 12:59.32 | NAiL | There's no "kernel_version=" in the module at all... |
| 12:59.48 | NAiL | (with or without modversions) |
| 12:59.55 | dwery-away | module compiled without versioning support.. can be inserted using the force parameter |
| 13:00.16 | elwood42 | but I compile with versionning support :( |
| 13:00.26 | NAiL | you notice the lines I pasted above? Especially the "-f"? ;) |
| 13:00.35 | NAiL | So it *should* work this way |
| 13:01.18 | dwery-away | uh |
| 13:01.32 | dwery-away | interestin |
| 13:01.52 | NAiL | dwery-away: Exactly. Just wondered if you had seen it before. |
| 13:01.56 | dwery-away | nope |
| 13:02.42 | NAiL | geojeff: I *think* it's human-readable, so you should be able to see the IP |
| 13:02.54 | NAiL | But I've never tried doing it manually myself :-P |
| 13:04.57 | geojeff | yeah, there is human readable part. it is at 192.168.1.77, and i've been chasing my tail :) |
| 13:05.04 | NAiL | *rofl* |
| 13:05.08 | geojeff | woof |
| 13:05.22 | NAiL | dwery-away: btw, I've just compiled -git9. Still works on ds101 and slug :-) |
| 13:05.34 | dwery-away | good ;) |
| 13:06.16 | CIA-8 | 03orepvik * 10kernel/2.6.16/KERNEL: update to -git9 |
| 13:11.38 | elwood42 | If I use insmod from ipkg modutil, I have : |
| 13:11.48 | elwood42 | DiskStation> /opt/sbin/insmod -f /volume1/mp3/nfsd.o |
| 13:11.52 | elwood42 | /volume1/mp3/nfsd.o: ELF file /volume1/mp3/nfsd.o not for this architecture |
| 13:14.22 | elwood42 | goolge says that's because I use depmod for i386 arch, what I need to do if I want to use arm depmod ? |
| 13:14.45 | NAiL | no, it's not |
| 13:14.52 | NAiL | :) |
| 13:15.01 | NAiL | I read that part yesterday, but it's not the same problem |
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| 13:20.09 | elwood42 | is there any documentation on how to build kernel module for nslu2 ? |
| 13:20.39 | elwood42 | I don't want to have : use cvs and type make all |
| 13:20.52 | elwood42 | something explained |
| 13:21.07 | elwood42 | please :'( |
| 13:21.16 | NAiL | take a look on the wiki, it might be explained there |
| 13:21.35 | NAiL | I'm inexperienced at module crosscompiling |
| 13:24.29 | elwood42 | thank's for all NAiL, I'll search again and again |
| 13:26.18 | NAiL | elwood42_aw: btw, you might have luck using the nslu2 kernel modules |
| 13:26.34 | NAiL | Dunno why I didn't think of that |
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| 13:50.09 | geojeff | well hooray, my two slugs are at .77 and .78 |
| 13:54.15 | geojeff | one thing i am interested in with slug dev is audio, for recording animal sounds in biology (http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/FrogLoggingSlug). I am basically back at square one from last fall, and need to see what has happened in the meantime regarding new OSes on the slug, specifically regarding audio support |
| 13:55.10 | geojeff | i had discussions with several people here about getting libao working, i think with openslug, but that's as far as i got |
| 14:02.06 | NAiL | well, libao is up to 0.8.6 |
| 14:02.48 | geojeff | as a package in unslung? |
| 14:02.53 | NAiL | openslug |
| 14:03.00 | geojeff | cool |
| 14:03.25 | NAiL | There's a new openslug release around the corner |
| 14:03.27 | CIA-8 | 03repvik * r274 10/releases/slugos-3.6-beta/openembedded/packages/libao/ (libao-alsa_0.8.6.bb libao-plugin-alsa_0.8.6.bb): update libao |
| 14:04.14 | geojeff | great |
| 14:04.44 | NAiL | I'm not using audio on the slug yet |
| 14:04.48 | NAiL | dwery-away: ping? ;-) |
| 14:05.09 | NAiL | ah, it's still the olympics |
| 14:05.19 | geojeff | last day |
| 14:06.39 | NAiL | I'm hoping to get audio on it in a while though |
| 14:06.50 | NAiL | but I'm going to use a rather non-standard soundcard :-P |
| 14:07.55 | geojeff | i have an external soundblaster |
| 14:09.03 | NAiL | does it work? |
| 14:09.22 | geojeff | i never even opened the box |
| 14:09.25 | NAiL | oh |
| 14:10.16 | dwery-away | NAiL: pong |
| 14:10.51 | geojeff | there are some others listed on the froglogger page, griffin imic. maybe others to find. |
| 14:11.21 | NAiL | dwery-away: I was just wondering on audio. But there hasn't been any progress have there? ;) |
| 14:11.32 | dwery-away | none :( |
| 14:12.08 | NAiL | Yeah, I remembered you said something about olympics after I pinged you |
| 14:12.15 | NAiL | so I didn't expect there to be any progress |
| 14:12.26 | dwery-away | ok :) next wekk maybe |
| 14:12.37 | NAiL | hehe, no hurry |
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| 14:49.00 | kami22 | hi is here anyone how uses Squirrelmail on a slug? |
| 14:51.34 | dwery-away | NAiL: do you think you can merge the "upstreamable" parts of the ds101 patchset into one file? |
| 14:53.55 | NAiL | depends on what is upstreamable :) |
| 14:54.15 | dwery-away | it think all of the ds101 except -buttons |
| 14:54.43 | dwery-away | the CS macros can probably be made ixp4xx wide... |
| 14:55.06 | NAiL | I think I'll have to clean up the .h first |
| 14:55.11 | dwery-away | you might want to separate them and upload that single patch to l-a-k before the others |
| 14:57.08 | NAiL | I'm not quite sure I know what you mean ;) |
| 14:59.34 | dwery-away | don't worry ;) extract the macros, rename them and I'll show you :-D |
| 15:02.07 | NAiL | ok, I'll take a look at it in a little while. Writing a rather long 2-6-kernel-status-update-thingy-mail for the ds101-linux ml |
| 15:04.34 | dwery-away | great |
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| 15:05.05 | dwery-away | when you're done pleasepost a link so that I can read the mail.. I'm not subscribed ;) |
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| 15:08.26 | NAiL | I'll consult with you before sending the mail I think ;) |
| 15:12.01 | NAiL | but you're talking about those, right?: |
| 15:12.01 | NAiL | #define DS101_EXP_RECOVERY_T(x)(((x) & 15) << 16) |
| 15:12.02 | NAiL | #define DS101_EXP_HOLD_T(x)(((x) & 3) << 20) |
| 15:12.06 | NAiL | all those buggers |
| 15:12.57 | NAiL | Make all those IXP4XX_*? |
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| 15:38.55 | NAiL | dwery-away: btw, got any idea what's causing my kernel-panic when writing to DoC? |
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| 16:07.33 | elwood42 | NAiL: is there something like System.map on DS101 ? |
| 16:07.45 | NAiL | I don't think there's one by default, no |
| 16:07.56 | NAiL | it's not strictly necessary |
| 16:08.28 | elwood42 | so how modules resolve symbols ? |
| 16:09.04 | NAiL | depmod makes them, I think |
| 16:09.30 | elwood42 | aaarg I'm running in a circle |
| 16:10.09 | NAiL | are you 100% sure that CONFIG_MODVERSIONS is defined? |
| 16:11.15 | elwood42 | now yes, I make first unslung-kernel |
| 16:11.36 | elwood42 | and modinfo works fine (normal it's unslung ;) |
| 16:12.28 | elwood42 | after I copy my Makefile and my .config in unslung-kernel directory and I recompile (make mrproper, dep...) my modules |
| 16:12.46 | elwood42 | so now modinfo's saying : |
| 16:13.21 | elwood42 | filename: fs/nfsd/nfsd.o |
| 16:13.22 | elwood42 | using_checksums:1 |
| 16:13.22 | elwood42 | kernel_version: 2.4.22-uc0 |
| 16:13.22 | elwood42 | license: GPL |
| 16:13.24 | elwood42 | ... |
| 16:13.39 | NAiL | but it still doesn't work? |
| 16:13.46 | elwood42 | no :( |
| 16:13.58 | elwood42 | DiskStation> insmod -f /volume1/mp3/nfsd.o |
| 16:14.02 | elwood42 | Using /volume1/mp3/nfsd.o |
| 16:14.06 | elwood42 | insmod: unresolved symbol unlock_new_inode_R093af4c1 |
| 16:14.10 | elwood42 | insmod: unresolved symbol iget4_locked_Rea39986b |
| 16:14.19 | NAiL | well, that's progress atleast |
| 16:14.40 | NAiL | I wonder if that's the lockd module (or whatever it's called) |
| 16:14.57 | NAiL | I don't have any 2.4-kernel sources handy so I can't check |
| 16:15.05 | elwood42 | I think I have to make modules_install INSTALL_MODPATH=/something and use modprobe to insmod my new modules |
| 16:15.10 | EvilDevil | don't you need the lockd and sunrpc module too? |
| 16:15.22 | elwood42 | yes I think I need |
| 16:15.51 | elwood42 | day is not finish... I'll be back ! |
| 16:15.56 | NAiL | ;) |
| 16:16.00 | EvilDevil | or is this only true for the client nfs? |
| 16:16.32 | elwood42 | I only try this one (the only I want to use - ipkg nfs-server is Ugly !) |
| 16:16.55 | EvilDevil | and slow ;) |
| 16:17.21 | elwood42 | and "nolock" !!!! |
| 16:17.27 | elwood42 | just Ugly* |
| 16:17.38 | elwood42 | (and dangerous) |
| 16:18.04 | elwood_aw | I'll be back ! |
| 16:18.06 | EvilDevil | fire bad, fire bad ;-) |
| 16:18.15 | NAiL | elwood_aw: later :) |
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| 17:44.19 | jacques | jbot, test |
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| 17:46.19 | kami22 | hi is here anyone how uses truecrypt on the slug? |
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| 18:00.06 | kami22 | Maybe someone can look at the error i get compiling the Kernel module for truecrypt on the slug. I copied the compiled source code for the Kernel to slug from my cross development area: http://pastebin.ca/43231 |
| 18:00.37 | elwood42 | family time, cooking, washing baby... no more time for my ds101j :( see you later |
| 18:00.47 | elwood42 | bye |
| 18:01.53 | Dapu | can someone give me the binary of Unslung 6.x ? |
| 18:04.12 | EvilDevil | kami22: are you developing on the slug itself? |
| 18:04.27 | kami22 | yes but not the kernel |
| 18:05.50 | EvilDevil | if not, i would suggest, that you point to the right kernel sources, because /usr/src/linux-2.6.15 seems to be unconfigured. use ~/slug/openslug/tmp/work/ixp4xx-kernel/..... as source |
| 18:06.49 | dwery-away | NAiL: yes to the macros, no to the idea ;) |
| 18:07.42 | kami22 | okay but there is not such a folder only thsi : /slug/openslug/tmp/work/nslu2-kernel-2.6.15-r3.0/linux-2.6.15 |
| 18:08.17 | NAiL | dwery-away: heh, ok |
| 18:08.57 | NAiL | dwery-away: I don't know where they should be though. Should I just let them be in the ds101.h, or should they be moved to somewhere more generic? |
| 18:08.58 | EvilDevil | i'm not sure about you, but i got a ~/slug/debianslug/tmp/work/ixp4xx-kernel-2.6.16-rc4-git5-r0.0 |
| 18:09.22 | dwery-away | NAiL: i'd move them to some ixp4xx header file |
| 18:10.11 | NAiL | ok |
| 18:15.10 | mwester | Dapu: the binaries for alpha releases are not available for download; they must be built from the sources (procedure outlined in the wiki). Binaries for the beta release should be forthcoming as soon as the latest alpha release (6.6) gets a few other testers to take a look and give it their "blessing"... |
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| 18:20.00 | Dapu | mwester: thanks. I know that the alpha binaries are not available. That's why i am asking for them. I have almost no knowledge of linux. that's why i don't want to build from the sources. i don't even have a linux system running. can't you give me the 6.6? |
| 18:21.03 | EvilDevil | and what if it breaks your system? Dapu |
| 18:21.20 | Dapu | then i reflash old firmware? |
| 18:24.54 | Dapu | i don't want to use unslung 5.5 because then i cannot use my fat32 disk. which works great with the linksys r63 |
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| 18:26.51 | mwester | Neither 6.x nor 5.5 can unsling to a FAT32 disk - if you wish to keep a FAT32 disk, you will need to unsling to another disk, and use the FAT32 drive as a second drive -- both 5.5 and 6.x releases support the latter configuration. |
| 18:30.31 | Dapu | that's just what i want to do. i have another disk for unslinging. i want to keep the fat32 as a second drive. But the instructions for mounting the fat32 are really complicated. i was hoping that with 6.x it works out of the box. like it does with the r63 -- just plug it in and its mounted |
| 18:41.56 | kami22 | i installed cyrus-imapd but always when i am trying to do a saslpasswd2 i get this error : saslpasswd2: generic failure |
| 18:43.25 | mwester | Dapu that should work fine with Unslung 6.x - keep an eye out on the lists and the website, the beta release for 6.x should be out shortly - it doesn't sound like setting up a development environment and building the alpha version is something you'd be wanting to do just yet! |
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| 18:44.36 | mwester | kami22: great error message!! :D "generic failure" (I'm afraid I have no experience with that, but it sure is a lousy message! |
| 18:47.17 | Dapu | mwester: right. but what is "shortly"? i don't want to wait :-) isn't the alpha version almost finished? it would make it so much easier to just flash the binary instead of trying to set up a development environment |
| 19:27.18 | NAiL | Anyone got any good resources on pcb design? |
| 19:58.29 | NAiL | dwery-away: ping? What'd you use to make the pcb? |
| 19:58.57 | dwery-away | NAiL: eagle |
| 19:59.02 | dwery-away | www.cadsoft.de |
| 19:59.07 | dwery-away | or apt-get install eagle* |
| 19:59.11 | NAiL | yeah, costs a bit though, doesn't it? |
| 19:59.20 | dwery-away | it's free for non commercial use |
| 20:02.16 | NAiL | ah, thanks |
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| 20:39.02 | NAiL | dwery-away: thanks, it looks great :-D |
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| 20:43.12 | dwery-away | NAiL: yw |
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| 21:05.18 | NAiL | dwery-away: I'll probably be making some custom PCB's in a while. Maybe merge with the audio board thingamabob? |
| 21:05.30 | dwery-away | mmm.. interesting. |
| 21:05.33 | dwery-away | manufacturer? |
| 21:06.17 | NAiL | I was thinking of using whatever sparkfun offers. Looks simple enough for me :-P |
| 21:06.31 | dwery-away | what pcb are you doing? |
| 21:07.00 | NAiL | A few different ones for the AVRs that I'm getting. Just playing around basically. |
| 21:07.18 | NAiL | It just looks a bit more "pro" than breadboard with dead bugs :-P |
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| 21:08.47 | NAiL | Dunno how many yet. The guy at atmel said he'd bring me a "handful" of avrs |
| 21:09.09 | NAiL | He's got somewhat large hands :-P |
| 21:10.15 | NAiL | hmm... maybe I'll make a board to tack on to one of my displays.. that's a good idea :-D |
| 21:23.17 | AdamBaker | Two related questions - 1) Is there anyone around who could mail me a copy of the wl500g uClibc.so and 2) does anyone know how if at all ld-uClibc.so reports missing functions at dynamic link time (if you are running code linked against a different uClibc build) |
| 21:56.00 | NAiL | there's 8 unused pins on the avr... what the heck am I going to use that for? :-P |
| 22:03.17 | CIA-8 | 03jp30 * 10unslung/Makefile: optware: promote cdrtools, py-nose |
| 22:16.00 | NAiL | dwery-away: eagle was grand. I've already got three (simple) designs done ;-) |
| 22:16.12 | dwery-away | whoa! |
| 22:17.09 | dwery-away | will sparkfun make pcbs with eagle's .brd files or gerbers? |
| 22:17.24 | NAiL | IIRC, they recommended eagle |
| 22:18.20 | NAiL | they use gerber files |
| 22:18.46 | dwery-away | ok.. you'll have to learn how to postprocess ;) quick tutorial on olimex.com |
| 22:20.58 | NAiL | heh, I won't be churning out the boards quite yet. Need to know that I get enough avrs, and check the pinouts on the second type of LCD I've got. I *think* I have the right pinouts, but it's been a while since I looked at it. |
| 22:22.26 | dyoung-away | I like eagle too. |
| 22:22.46 | NAiL | I'm just playing around a bit to learn right now. But it's looking very good though :-D |
| 22:22.47 | dyoung-away | the autorouting is slightly braindamaged; but it usually not too bad |
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| 22:23.37 | NAiL | Hasn't done any wild routes yet. Ok, it's suboptimal, but it's not like I care on projects like these. |
| 22:24.14 | dwery-away | NAiL: there are a few tricks.. first rout supply lines and define the ground plane |
| 22:24.21 | dwery-away | then you can autorout on small projects |
| 22:24.28 | dwery-away | on big one I had to do it by hand... |
| 22:24.32 | dwery-away | ones* |
| 22:25.10 | NAiL | "ground plane"? ;) |
| 22:26.04 | NAiL | hehe |
| 22:26.29 | dwery-away | that big shiny green thing on the pcb connected to gnd :) |
| 22:26.42 | NAiL | yeah, I get that part |
| 22:26.49 | NAiL | but do I really need one? |
| 22:27.42 | dwery-away | maybe.. it depends on the project.. if it's double side, is handy to have one as gnd traces are routed directly to the ground plane using vias |
| 22:27.56 | mwester | Almost all but the simplest circuits (and slowest clocked cirucits) benefit from a ground plane of sorts... |
| 22:28.16 | NAiL | These are kinda ... simple circuits :) |
| 22:29.48 | NAiL | but ok, how do I define a gnd plane? |
| 22:30.36 | dwery-away | when you are drawing the brd just define a rectangle called $gnd (iirc) on the bottom side of the pcb |
| 22:30.44 | dwery-away | the autorouter will know what it is. |
| 22:31.38 | mwester | Consider ohm's law - a thin ground trace has resistance, and can develop a voltage across it. Thus, for example, different chips on a board can have different ideas of what "zero volts" is -- a ground plane is like a very very thick ground trace, and minimizes that effect. Also keeps the ground trace from acting like a "tuned circuit" at high clocks, and radiating signals! |
| 22:32.31 | dwery-away | wow.. that's an explanation! :) |
| 22:32.41 | NAiL | but it does make sense ;) |
| 22:32.45 | NAiL | (even to a non-EE) |
| 22:33.41 | mwester | dwery-away: are you a EE, by chance? :) |
| 22:33.56 | dwery-away | mwester: it happens :) |
| 22:36.07 | NAiL | hmm, how do I change the name? |
| 22:37.31 | dwery-away | there's a rename command |
| 22:41.28 | NAiL | hmm, I'm not licking it right. I can rename all the other stuff, but not the rectangle |
| 22:43.23 | dwery-away | just delete and create it again with the correct name ;) |
| 22:54.57 | NAiL | I can't say that I notice any difference though |
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| 22:57.55 | NAiL | The gnd plane is still a rectangle |
| 23:01.52 | dwery-away | mmm .. try loading some of the eagle examples too see it |
| 23:02.39 | NAiL | good idea |
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| 23:10.39 | NAiL | I have a few days to learn before I make any definite plans anyway :-) |
| 23:34.44 | AdamBaker | Just in case anyone reads my earlier Q - I've now built a copy of uClibc that has got the functions in it that I needed that are in the wl500g version but not the version I was using. I can therefore confirm that the only indication ld-uClibc.so gives you when it can't find a needed function is that your program seg faults when it tries to call the function |
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| 23:49.53 | AdamBaker | And with that discovery I finally get to mount an NFS share from my slug on my WAG354g router which means I've now got somewhere to put an optware install on it. |