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| 09:54.16 | dwery | Hello... anyone there? I'm going to work on the patches.... |
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| 09:55.15 | dwery | [g2]: Hi! |
| 09:55.36 | [g2] | dwery Hi! |
| 09:55.46 | [g2] | aren't you up early ? |
| 09:57.40 | dwery | [g2]: :D |
| 09:58.47 | dwery | [g2]: i'm going to post the patches... the first one converts nslu2-setup.c and nslu2-io.c to a version compatible with the latest kernel |
| 10:00.28 | [g2] | dwery great! I was talking to dyoung last night and he's interested in 2.6.13 too |
| 10:00.42 | dyoung | I was about to just do it. |
| 10:00.56 | dyoung | but I'm distracted making this happuage PVR USB thing work |
| 10:01.20 | [g2] | with 4/5 people interested we should at least coordinate a tiny bit so we're all not wasting time doing the same thing |
| 10:01.24 | dyoung | in theory the nslu2-setup.c from 2.6.12.2 should work straight away. |
| 10:01.41 | dwery | dyoung: no, I had to change it a little bit |
| 10:02.02 | dwery | [g2]: if it's ok for you, I'm going to send the first patch |
| 10:02.26 | [g2] | dwery it's open source |
| 10:02.34 | dwery | :) I mean post it to the ml |
| 10:02.42 | [g2] | oh absolutely |
| 10:03.07 | [g2] | this is a meritocracy |
| 10:03.27 | [g2] | nslu2-linux that is |
| 10:03.52 | dwery | :) |
| 10:08.02 | dwery | ok, post sent. |
| 10:09.08 | dwery | Now I would like to generate a patch which converts a vanilla,mainstream 2.6.13.1 to an NSLU2 enabled kernel. |
| 10:09.37 | dwery | or, better, a set of patches |
| 10:15.23 | dyoung | Thats the usual strategy. :-) |
| 10:19.00 | dwery | regarding the ixp4xx-regs.patch .. I suppose this affects also other ixp4xx based architectures, isn't it? |
| 10:20.44 | dwery | I mean.. that base regoster the file changes, is 0xFFBFE000 on the NSLU2 and 0xFFBFD000 on the others, or is just plain wrong and the patches fix it? |
| 10:22.10 | dyoung | Yes, thats incorrect and it was patched to fix it to correct. It was correct for a little while, but the bug got re-introduced. |
| 10:22.27 | dyoung | (its incorrect for *all* IXP4xx) |
| 10:23.29 | dwery | ok, that makes it easy to have it mainstream :) :) |
| 10:23.40 | dwery | dividi et impera :D |
| 10:24.44 | dyoung | I spoke with Deepak about it a while ago, but I dunno what happen after that. |
| 10:27.19 | dwery | I'm checking .14-rc1 to see if the bug is still there |
| 10:27.58 | dwery | yes,it is. a lot of ixp4xx changes anyway. So, if that piece shoudl go mainstream, who is the right person to contact? |
| 10:29.13 | dwery | Deepak I suppose :) |
| 10:29.25 | dwery | Or should we just post in the linux arm ml? |
| 10:29.55 | dyoung | Thats probably a good place. |
| 10:30.08 | dyoung | iirc, the person that noticed it in the first place was mark rakes. |
| 10:30.11 | dwery | Ok. Can you do it? |
| 10:30.38 | dwery | something simple.. like.. while working on... to the best of our knowledge this problem affect all ixp.... please apply. |
| 10:30.39 | dwery | :D |
| 10:30.45 | dyoung | someone whos already got a presense there should do it; like [g2] or lennert or beewoolie. |
| 10:31.58 | dwery | I would also CC Deepak and maybe a couple of other guys |
| 10:31.59 | dyoung | I dont subscribe to that list; but read it regulalry. |
| 10:32.32 | dwery | [g2]: ? |
| 10:32.33 | dyoung | we ought to ask lennert in the nslu2-developer list. |
| 10:32.48 | dyoung | Hes kind of the de-facto interface to L-A-K folk. |
| 10:33.18 | dwery | ok |
| 10:33.51 | dwery | missing-exports now.. |
| 10:34.04 | dyoung | I might be speaking out of turn there; but thats my current understanding. |
| 10:34.12 | dyoung | I'm blissfully ignorant. :-) |
| 10:34.52 | dwery | :) |
| 10:35.19 | dwery | missing-exports.patch exports a couple of symbols.. who's going to use them? |
| 10:44.42 | eFfeM | 3dyoung, I was backreading (was away for lunch) and saw you are working on the hauppauge usb pvr |
| 10:45.03 | eFfeM | 3 is this the one with the embedded mpeg2 encoder ? |
| 10:46.30 | eFfeM | (it has usb2 in its name) |
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| 10:47.02 | eFfeM | I am looking into turning the slug in a pvr and actually have been looking at what hw to use |
| 10:47.11 | dyoung | Yes |
| 10:47.14 | eFfeM | my avermedia box is definitely not going to help |
| 10:47.18 | dyoung | eFfeM: Thats the plan. |
| 10:47.30 | eFfeM | so I considered either hauppauge or the pinnacle one |
| 10:47.32 | dyoung | once I get it going; then mythtv needs exploration |
| 10:47.33 | eFfeM | what is the status? |
| 10:47.44 | eFfeM | ok |
| 10:47.48 | dyoung | status... |
| 10:48.00 | dyoung | Its still being integrated |
| 10:48.10 | eFfeM | mythtv might be tricky; I think it is an X app |
| 10:48.16 | dyoung | I expect to have it in openslug in the next 18 hours |
| 10:48.28 | eFfeM | I once heard from someone who had it running on buffalo |
| 10:48.31 | dyoung | I'm about to pass out now; so it'll probably need to wait until I wake up |
| 10:48.41 | dyoung | Ho was it on the buffal |
| 10:48.42 | dyoung | o |
| 10:49.45 | eFfeM | I got a demo, it looked quite good. Don't know if he wants to share source (he did this at work so I don't know if his company will allow him giving it to me |
| 10:50.05 | eFfeM | he could do recordings and timeshifting |
| 10:50.17 | eFfeM | exposed through upnp |
| 10:51.31 | dyoung | okay it should be workable on a nslu2 thats been de-underclocked then eh? |
| 10:51.59 | eFfeM | yeah, without problem. when I asked about performance he said load was less than 5% |
| 10:52.22 | eFfeM | basically recording is just reading the mpeg2 stream from usb and scribbling it to HD |
| 10:52.39 | dyoung | okay, justu got it to compile right now. Now for the packing.... |
| 10:52.43 | eFfeM | with 4Mbit/sec that would not be too much of a problem |
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| 11:03.10 | jacques | mythtv backend is what you want |
| 11:06.01 | jacques | it's already in oe BTW |
| 11:06.06 | eFfeM | jacques, thanks |
| 11:06.11 | jacques | pb put it there IIRC |
| 11:06.36 | eFfeM | actually the discussion went on in both #openslug and here; it was continued in openslug |
| 11:07.52 | jacques | ah |
| 11:13.39 | [g2] | dwery can you e-mail me that patch ? It's not stored in the message :( |
| 11:16.58 | dwery | sure |
| 11:17.02 | [g2] | THX |
| 11:17.08 | dwery | give me a sec |
| 11:17.13 | [g2] | p |
| 11:17.15 | [g2] | np |
| 11:17.45 | [g2] | dwery btw I'm booting directly to Debian on hda1 on the Loft |
| 11:18.16 | dwery | wow |
| 11:18.19 | dwery | LE? |
| 11:18.23 | [g2] | BE |
| 11:18.45 | [g2] | but Reboot is built with the 1.5 IAL |
| 11:19.05 | [g2] | I'd imagine I could build Reboot in LE mode |
| 11:19.11 | dwery | is redboot free or do you have to pay a licence? |
| 11:19.28 | [g2] | I've got to check the licensing |
| 11:19.51 | dwery | anyway you don;t need it to be LE, as long as you swap the kernel |
| 11:19.54 | [g2] | since I'm selling hw I an distribute IAL source with Intel's license |
| 11:20.55 | dwery | i;m giving a lot to the x1205 driver |
| 11:20.56 | [g2] | On a previous board I had an Intel GigE mini PCI card running |
| 11:21.01 | dwery | I see conflicting patches |
| 11:22.24 | eFfeM | [g2], would directly booting the kernel from disk be doable with the slug as well? |
| 11:22.43 | eFfeM | what I would like to have is boot from disk if the disk is there and otherwise from flash |
| 11:23.01 | eFfeM | that way no need to reflash if a new kernel is no good |
| 11:23.25 | [g2] | eFfeM it's possible with bootloader updates |
| 11:23.42 | eFfeM | sounds interesting |
| 11:24.06 | eFfeM | but I'm not really sure if I am up to that challenge yet |
| 11:24.32 | eFfeM | I don't have easy access to jtag |
| 11:24.32 | [g2] | it's very low-level (close to the hw) |
| 11:24.44 | [g2] | one would definetly need JTAG |
| 11:24.46 | eFfeM | yeah, i figured that out already |
| 11:25.11 | [g2] | that's why the Loft has JTAG and serial built in |
| 11:25.27 | [g2] | "Freedom to tinker" |
| 11:25.39 | eFfeM | yup |
| 11:25.41 | dwery | [g2]: what do you use to control jtag under linux? |
| 11:26.11 | [g2] | dwery I haven't used it that much |
| 11:26.15 | dyoung | OpenWince JTAG Tools. |
| 11:26.29 | [g2] | I've got a utility that can reflash my OEM boards |
| 11:27.03 | [g2] | the one slug I've got modified for JTAG wasn't fully debugged to use jtag from OpenWinCE |
| 11:27.04 | dwery | i';ve contributed to jtag tools a while ago |
| 11:27.59 | [g2] | I've got a Raven that I've yet to test |
| 11:28.20 | [g2] | I want to make a very cheap JTAG hookup for the Loft |
| 11:28.38 | dwery | [g2]: i used the parallel port and a bunch o pins |
| 11:28.47 | [g2] | yeah something like that |
| 11:29.17 | [g2] | there'll be multiple products but something like that will be the cheapest |
| 11:29.47 | [g2] | you'll probably want to join us in #openjtag |
| 11:30.17 | dwery | [g2]: eh eh :) i'm not using jtag a lot nowadays.. so it's best I keep focusing on the nslu2 |
| 11:30.19 | [g2] | one of the guys was able to directly load the mini-I cachce and boot to it via JTAG |
| 11:30.25 | [g2] | on the NSLU2 |
| 11:30.31 | dwery | wow |
| 11:30.53 | dwery | hope i adds the info to the wiki |
| 11:31.18 | [g2] | I think it's been there for a couple months |
| 11:31.23 | dwery | ah ok :) |
| 11:31.45 | [g2] | I think JTAG debugging would be very helpful too |
| 11:32.00 | [g2] | whenever there's a lockup, just go grab a hold of the processor |
| 11:32.31 | [g2] | there's probably a bunch of performance uses also |
| 11:34.45 | dwery | got the patch? |
| 11:35.49 | [g2] | yeah thx |
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| 11:50.31 | dwery | ok, I made some fixes here and there and rebuilding 2.6.13.2 |
| 11:50.34 | dwery | .1 |
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| 12:31.45 | dwery | ok, rtc seems working fine now. |
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| 12:38.53 | CIA-8 | 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r597b1f05... 10/conf/machine/ipaq-pxa270.conf: conf/machine/ipaq-pxa270.conf: hardcode preferrence for 2.6.12-hh3 |
| 12:40.24 | dwery | anyone tried the FastFPE floating point emulation? |
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| 12:42.59 | dwery | given that the nslu has <64mb of ram, why indirect PCI addressing is used? |
| 12:43.13 | dwery | (i'm throwing out questions today...) |
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| 13:50.03 | yvasilev | dwery: If you want to see some noticeable speed improvements you should not use kernel level fpu emulation and use a softfloat toolchain, but you'll need to recompile debian packages for that |
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| 13:55.33 | dwery | yvasilev: thanks, but i prefer using madplay instead of recompiling. I've just tried the FastFPE emulation but it seems it hangs the kernel. |
| 13:56.51 | dwery | now i'm going to find a suitable and stable .config and release some patches |
| 13:57.44 | yvasilev | dwery: the problem is also with ALU code, hardfloat gcc "uses" coprocessor registers to "speed up" things, so it generates lots of exceptions and the kernel needs to emulates the registers. |
| 13:58.45 | yvasilev | dwery: the speed difference for pure ALU code is about 10-20% |
| 13:59.29 | dwery | yvasilev: understood. what kernel are you running now? |
| 13:59.50 | yvasilev | 2.6.11.12 |
| 14:00.24 | dwery | would you like to test 2.6.13.1? |
| 14:00.34 | yvasilev | sure |
| 14:00.42 | dwery | are you le or be? |
| 14:01.04 | yvasilev | le |
| 14:01.28 | dwery | did you used peter's page as a reference? |
| 14:01.33 | yvasilev | yes |
| 14:01.45 | dwery | great. |
| 14:02.06 | dwery | i need to recompile two or tree more times and I should be able to have a good set of patches |
| 14:02.16 | yvasilev | :-) |
| 14:03.19 | dwery | I have now a working kernel. Will take a vanilla one, and start assembling the patches. |
| 14:03.31 | dwery | if md5sum is ok, the new kernel should be good as well :) |
| 14:06.38 | dwery | if you have some spare time, you can start downloading a vanilla 2.6.13.1 |
| 14:08.25 | yvasilev | good point, since I intend to upload it over zmodem to the nslu2 and compile it there |
| 14:08.38 | dwery | at you risk :D |
| 14:08.50 | dwery | how log does it take for the nslu2 to compile? |
| 14:09.48 | yvasilev | have not tested it with just the kernel, but with the slug compiling other packages on the same time it takes some time and swapping |
| 14:10.10 | dwery | then how do you load the kernel in? |
| 14:10.33 | yvasilev | for now, tftp |
| 14:18.57 | dwery | do you have root on sda2? |
| 14:19.45 | yvasilev | sda3, so yes |
| 14:21.09 | dwery | you'll have to change the CMDLINE in .config then |
| 14:21.51 | yvasilev | yes, that's I know how to |
| 14:29.57 | dwery | do you know what the export symbols patch is for? |
| 14:30.11 | yvasilev | no |
| 14:30.18 | dwery | 'cos I can't find nothing that uses those symbols.. |
| 14:32.52 | dwery | ok, the kernel is working. where can I send you the patches? |
| 14:33.06 | yvasilev | yvasilev@duke.math.cinvestav.mx |
| 14:33.40 | dwery | ok, just a moment |
| 14:36.15 | [g2] | yvasilev you're building the kernel native ? |
| 14:36.28 | yvasilev | [g2]: yes |
| 14:36.30 | dwery | ok, mail sent |
| 14:36.34 | [g2] | on sarge ? |
| 14:36.35 | dwery | patching is easy |
| 14:36.44 | dwery | take vanilla, apply patches in order |
| 14:36.56 | dwery | do a make nslu2_le_defconfig |
| 14:36.57 | yvasilev | dwery: fot it, thanks |
| 14:37.03 | dwery | change .config to suit you needs |
| 14:37.09 | yvasilev | [g2]: on gentoo/uclibc |
| 14:37.53 | [g2] | I've got Debian Sarge running on my Loft proto which is a 533 IXP425 with 64MB mem |
| 14:38.27 | dwery | [g2]: LE? |
| 14:38.34 | [g2] | it's BE |
| 14:38.38 | [g2] | it could be LE |
| 14:38.53 | [g2] | but I'm BE oriented |
| 14:38.55 | dwery | [g2]: can you try my 2.6.13.1 in BE? |
| 14:40.02 | [g2] | I've got to port to the IXP425 first and there's one driver a CF IDE driver that'll need forward porting from 2.4 |
| 14:40.11 | dwery | [g2]: i mean on the nslu2 |
| 14:40.28 | [g2] | dwery it's all pretty much the same thing |
| 14:40.30 | dwery | [g2]: i need someone to test be |
| 14:40.59 | [g2] | Ah the patches you sent ? |
| 14:41.10 | dwery | [g2]: no, the new set of patches |
| 14:41.17 | dwery | [g2]: which allows compilation from a vanilla treew |
| 14:41.26 | [g2] | I haven't seen that set yet |
| 14:41.47 | dwery | [g2]: I hope so, unless you lurk into yvasilev mailbox :) |
| 14:41.59 | dwery | [g2]: i'm sending them |
| 14:42.05 | [g2] | thx |
| 14:42.56 | dwery | they're numbered |
| 14:43.10 | dwery | you'll have to skip over the little endian patch |
| 14:43.17 | dwery | and modify the defconfig to suit BE |
| 14:43.50 | dwery | i plaan to have only a BE defconfig in the next set, with a patch to convert it to LE. |
| 14:50.30 | dwery | when i'll have BE confirmed ok, i'll poste the patches to the ml |
| 14:51.18 | [g2] | Ok.. the default ixp425 config for 2.6.12 is building natively right now |
| 14:51.41 | dwery | obviously the CMDLINE in y patches suit my syste, |
| 14:52.06 | [g2] | right yours won't have root=/dev/hda1 :) |
| 14:52.11 | dwery | no :) |
| 14:52.20 | [g2] | but mine will :) |
| 14:52.32 | dwery | would it be better to keep using the original openslug commandline in the patches? |
| 14:52.51 | [g2] | definitely keep the noirqdebug |
| 14:53.18 | [g2] | I've got a full Redboot so I can just exec -c "cmdline ....." |
| 14:53.39 | dwery | nice :) |
| 14:54.09 | [g2] | and I can reflash config scripts etc... |
| 14:54.24 | [g2] | it's quite a sane environment |
| 14:54.40 | [g2] | the kind I was hoping for a year ago |
| 14:54.56 | [g2] | better late than never :) |
| 14:55.02 | dwery | yeah. |
| 14:55.16 | [g2] | though APEX was/is a godsend |
| 14:55.33 | dwery | I've been told that. |
| 14:56.14 | [g2] | that passes a cmd line too |
| 14:56.31 | dwery | once BE is confirmed and patches release, I think i'll start looking into an LE intel library. |
| 14:57.31 | dwery | and into pushing x1205 and a few other little bits into mainstream. |
| 14:59.07 | dwery | i'm sure you're compiling BE right now, isn't it? :D |
| 14:59.19 | [g2] | nod. |
| 14:59.23 | dwery | :D |
| 14:59.23 | [g2] | it's actually 2.6.12 |
| 14:59.38 | dwery | yvasilev: ? |
| 14:59.48 | [g2] | I'll need to pull .13.1 and do it again |
| 14:59.56 | dwery | thanks :) |
| 15:00.49 | [g2] | dwery .... |
| 15:00.54 | [g2] | this is COOL |
| 15:01.14 | [g2] | I'll have to get my fatslug all fired up and doing the same thing |
| 15:01.16 | dwery | :-D |
| 15:01.33 | dwery | you've a fatslug? |
| 15:01.34 | [g2] | so the fatslug can build the 13.1 BE kernel on Debian |
| 15:01.42 | yvasilev | dwery: yes? |
| 15:01.51 | [g2] | and it runs APEX and boot the kernel from jffs2 |
| 15:01.51 | dwery | yvasilev: how's your build going? |
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| 15:02.06 | yvasilev | uploading the kernel |
| 15:02.09 | dwery | [g2]: ok, I dont wanna know more :) |
| 15:02.32 | [g2] | so I'll be able to build from debian then load the kernel from jffs2 |
| 15:02.58 | [g2] | just cp bzImage /initrd/boot |
| 15:03.05 | dwery | where did you found the chips to fatten it? |
| 15:03.17 | [g2] | I've got a bunch |
| 15:03.45 | [g2] | I ordered 25 and had a local professional rework create the fatslug with serial and JTAG connector |
| 15:03.51 | dwery | they're too small for my equipment |
| 15:04.07 | [g2] | I was planning on selling them but it's too expensive due to the rework cost |
| 15:04.22 | [g2] | so I just built units from scratch |
| 15:04.33 | dwery | you can send the chips |
| 15:04.37 | dwery | sell |
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| 15:04.56 | [g2] | sure |
| 15:05.19 | [g2] | most are still in the static bags |
| 15:05.24 | dwery | 32 mb should be enough.. my amiga only had 512k :) |
| 15:05.38 | [g2] | there the 16M16s |
| 15:05.45 | [g2] | instead of the 8M16s |
| 15:07.18 | dwery | is the BE driver of the ob-board ethernet already in the kernel? |
| 15:07.34 | [g2] | ob-board ? |
| 15:07.57 | dwery | on-board :) |
| 15:08.34 | [g2] | I'll have to check about that, it may be or the chip may be initialized via Redboot |
| 15:08.50 | [g2] | they're certainly built into the Redboot |
| 15:08.53 | dwery | it should be there, at least in the openslug kernel |
| 15:08.56 | CIA-8 | 03hrw 07org.openembedded.dev * r9d57b6c2... 10/packages/ipkg/ (ipkg-native_0.99.154.bb ipkg_0.99.154.bb): |
| 15:08.56 | CIA-8 | added ipkg 0.99.154 |
| 15:08.56 | CIA-8 | - this version has fixed Provides: problem from 0.99.152 and Depends: from .153 |
| 15:08.56 | CIA-8 | - changset 5b224b4c91dec0b22ff45bec26fb18a01889e139 can be reverted now |
| 15:09.18 | [g2] | you can't include the IAL modules in the kernel |
| 15:09.39 | [g2] | they have to be loaded as modules the licensing prohibits it |
| 15:09.39 | dwery | oh |
| 15:09.44 | dwery | understood |
| 15:09.55 | [g2] | and they are built separately by Openslug |
| 15:10.36 | [g2] | I'm up to fs/ext2 |
| 15:10.55 | [g2] | make that fs/ext3 |
| 15:13.37 | dwery | you mean in the CMDLINE? |
| 15:19.06 | dwery | it's curious that the usb audio adapter works when connected directly and not when on the hub |
| 15:19.34 | Tiersten | Self powered hub? |
| 15:19.36 | dwery | yes |
| 15:19.47 | Tiersten | Very odd then |
| 15:19.47 | dwery | other peripherals work fine. i've just tried an usb key |
| 15:20.10 | Tiersten | I can see it not working if the hub was bus powered but if it's self powered then there shouldn't be any problem with that |
| 15:20.23 | [cc]smart | do we have a nice tool for logrotation for openslug ? |
| 15:20.39 | [g2] | there's a great one in ODS |
| 15:20.40 | dwery | it keeps saying "cannot submit datapipe for urb 0, err = -38" |
| 15:20.55 | [g2] | logrotate |
| 15:21.09 | [g2] | it think that might be a package |
| 15:21.36 | Tiersten | dwery: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.alsa.devel/25841 |
| 15:21.48 | Tiersten | Thats why it's not working |
| 15:21.57 | Tiersten | As to how to fix *shrug* |
| 15:22.22 | [cc]smart | i saw the logrotate script but i felt the actual program is missing. i'll check DB. always forget that... |
| 15:23.08 | dwery | Tiersten: whoa.. what a nast bug |
| 15:23.30 | dwery | well, without it I wouldn't have probably ever built 2.6.13 |
| 15:23.42 | Tiersten | More of a missing feature than a bug. Very poorly documented tho |
| 15:23.49 | dwery | yeah. |
| 15:24.02 | dwery | I guess i'll have to add another two ports on the slug... |
| 15:24.10 | dwery | or use an usb 1.1 hub |
| 15:24.13 | Tiersten | Yeah. How big is the audio dongle? |
| 15:24.51 | [cc]smart | aw |
| 15:24.52 | dwery | about 6x4cm |
| 15:25.00 | [cc]smart | busybox should deliver it |
| 15:25.13 | [cc]smart | but it seems the setup we have for busybox doesn't includ eit |
| 15:25.40 | Tiersten | You could probably wedge it inside the NSLU2 casing if you took it apart |
| 15:26.08 | dwery | Tiersten: i think so. i'll see. Since this thing will go in my car, i prefer to keep things apart. |
| 15:26.20 | Tiersten | ah okay |
| 15:26.27 | Tiersten | Just remember not to overload the PSU |
| 15:26.47 | dwery | I'll have to get supply from the car |
| 15:26.58 | dwery | and use an hub for most of the devices |
| 15:27.06 | Tiersten | Yeah. A 5V PSU at > 2A would be fine |
| 15:27.15 | [cc]smart | dwery: your dongle is supported ? |
| 15:27.25 | Tiersten | ah okay. Hub would make it easier |
| 15:27.39 | dwery | [cc]smart: yes, it sound fine :) |
| 15:27.59 | Tiersten | Just remember to use madplay :) |
| 15:28.04 | Tiersten | Or tremor if you want Ogg |
| 15:28.09 | [cc]smart | what brand ? was trying to make me slug a network player, but the on i tried wasn't doing well... |
| 15:28.36 | dwery | [cc]smart: brand? :D I bought it on ebay. It says C-media when plugged in |
| 15:28.44 | [cc]smart | :) |
| 15:28.47 | [cc]smart | rright |
| 15:28.53 | dwery | [cc]smart: it's of poor quality, i need to resolder the jack |
| 15:29.12 | Tiersten | C-media is the chip inside |
| 15:29.23 | [cc]smart | ya, just as many :) |
| 15:29.23 | dwery | Tiersten: yes |
| 15:29.32 | dwery | CM108 |
| 15:31.12 | dwery | if you want, I can search the dealr on ebay.. it has a lot of them |
| 15:32.01 | [cc]smart | shipping such a thingy to here would probably cost more than 5 of them brand new in a store :) |
| 15:32.25 | dwery | :D I didn't find a lot of them here in Italy.. so I had to use ebay |
| 15:32.26 | Tiersten | You could get an iMic. I think that's been made to work :) |
| 15:32.44 | [cc]smart | iMac ? |
| 15:32.45 | [cc]smart | :) |
| 15:32.46 | [cc]smart | heck |
| 15:32.49 | [cc]smart | what names that |
| 15:32.53 | Tiersten | iMic |
| 15:32.57 | Tiersten | It's a Griffin thing |
| 15:33.05 | [cc]smart | ye, got you, but still its funny |
| 15:33.16 | [cc]smart | griffin |
| 15:33.19 | [cc]smart | ...taking note |
| 15:33.22 | Tiersten | http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/imic/ |
| 15:33.31 | Tiersten | $39.99 |
| 15:33.37 | Tiersten | Bit expensive :) |
| 15:34.06 | [cc]smart | well, name and design point to the same directio... so why should the prrice tag point diffrent ? |
| 15:34.23 | Tiersten | ? |
| 15:34.34 | [cc]smart | iMic ~ iMac |
| 15:34.49 | Tiersten | It's a bit expensive for what it is physically |
| 15:34.50 | [cc]smart | just as design with that clear plastics and look |
| 15:35.06 | Tiersten | What you're getting is guaranteed operation with a Mac |
| 15:36.57 | [cc]smart | i've got acces to a IIe... shall try :) |
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| 15:47.58 | dwery | i'm inspecting my adapter. It seems they've wired it for mono... |
| 15:50.16 | Tiersten | useful |
| 15:50.49 | dwery | Tiersten: yeah. cheap. I'm downloading the datasheet to see if I can fix it |
| 15:57.54 | dwery | AAARGH the outputs were short-circuited! |
| 15:58.02 | dwery | I must admit they were cheap... |
| 15:58.38 | Tiersten | The stick the PCB to the wall and throw solder at it until it sticks method? |
| 15:58.46 | dwery | :D |
| 15:58.59 | dwery | I managed to separate them |
| 15:59.02 | dwery | seems ok now |
| 15:59.07 | Tiersten | Cool |
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| 15:59.21 | dwery | Now I should found a way to control the mixer vi aHID |
| 15:59.37 | Tiersten | It's not part of the usual ALSA mixer? |
| 15:59.57 | dwery | Tiersten: no |
| 16:00.08 | dwery | Tiersten: thos usb audio devices are usually controlled thru hid |
| 16:00.33 | Tiersten | oh okay |
| 16:02.12 | dwery | this thing has also some spare i/o and volume up/down pins left unconnected |
| 16:10.05 | Tiersten | Does the driver for it support reading those pins? |
| 16:11.06 | dwery | Tiersten: no , the audio usb driver is generic. Those pin can be used via HID.. according to the datasheet, it shouldn't be difficult. |
| 16:11.49 | dwery | Tiersten: I think i'll write something for that. My priority, at the moment, is to get 2.6.13.1 tested and released to the ml. |
| 16:12.25 | Tiersten | cool |
| 16:13.00 | dwery | Tiersten: you're volunteering, isn't it? :) |
| 16:13.38 | Tiersten | LOL. No :) |
| 16:13.46 | dwery | Tiersten: ach :) |
| 16:16.34 | dwery | no beta testers today here.. :) |
| 16:18.06 | dwery | btw usbnet doesn't work at all in 2.6.13 |
| 16:18.39 | dwery | I'm curious if it works on 2.6.13 BE |
| 16:22.57 | yvasilev | dwery: not good, kernels >= 2.6.12 need gettext to work, which I don't have on uclibc, so need some extra patching before testing your kernel |
| 16:24.09 | dwery | yvasilev: can you try to build non-natively? |
| 16:24.56 | yvasilev | dwery: that's what i'll probably end doing for this quick test |
| 16:25.03 | dwery | yvasilev: thanks |
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| 16:26.25 | dwery | speaking about IAL.. I've heard someone tried it LE. Is it right? |
| 16:27.38 | Tiersten | beewoolie I think |
| 16:27.50 | yvasilev | dwery: this is what [g2] told me yesterday about it http://rafb.net/paste/results/huNvUx14.html |
| 16:29.21 | dwery | ok, i'll dig around. |
| 16:29.36 | dwery | it's now a priority for me, due to usbnet not working anymore. |
| 16:30.42 | yvasilev | dwery: 2.0 or 1.5? |
| 16:32.04 | dwery | yvasilev: dunno, the easiest one. I just need ethernet working.. I gues 2.0 could be the best option, since it should be quite newer |
| 16:35.20 | yvasilev | dwery: yesterday I was digging with 2.0, and it looks like the patch form http://www.wnk.at/ixp400_accesslib_kernel26/ will need some changes, and the GPL_ixp400LinuxEthernetDriverPatch-1_4.zip and GPL_ixp400LinuxIntegrationPatch-1_3.zip patches for the kernel should be better unpacked to another dir and a module be made directly a la 2.6 modules |
| 16:35.34 | yvasilev | so there should be no need to touch the kernel |
| 16:35.44 | dwery | yvasilev: yes, it should be all external |
| 16:36.00 | yvasilev | but had not enough time to correct the patches |
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| 16:44.04 | CIA-8 | 03rpurdie 07org.openembedded.dev * rc9c47277... 10/conf/machine/zaurus-clamshell-2.6.conf: zaurus-clamshell-2.6.conf: Switch to the in kernel verison of orinoco/spectrum wireless LAN driver (tested and works). |
| 16:48.43 | dwery | I noticed Karen Spearel is the author of the x1205 driver.. anybody know his nick? |
| 16:48.47 | CIA-8 | 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r0a6a4345... 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): |
| 16:48.47 | CIA-8 | packages/matchbox-wm/matchbox-wm_svn.bb: make PV conform to OE standards |
| 16:48.47 | CIA-8 | conf/distro/preferred-gpe-versions-2.7.inc: use mb-wm svn till mallum releases a new version |
| 16:50.46 | dwery | Yahooo Wiki! Wiki! Wiki! |
| 16:50.53 | eFfeM | lol |
| 16:51.09 | eFfeM | i thought someone would say that ... |
| 16:51.15 | dwery | eh eh :) |
| 16:51.31 | dwery | Were you the one who asked about batter power on the ml? |
| 16:51.35 | eFfeM | yep |
| 16:51.47 | eFfeM | just thought, what the heck, lets try it |
| 16:51.52 | dwery | I've just read the thread |
| 16:52.08 | dwery | USB power is not connected directly to the power input jack |
| 16:52.11 | eFfeM | the slug takes 0.5 amps |
| 16:52.30 | eFfeM | and can run on as little as 3.5 V |
| 16:52.38 | eFfeM | that was without any peripheral |
| 16:52.39 | dwery | amazing. |
| 16:52.57 | Tiersten | Is that with ethernet running though? |
| 16:53.06 | Tiersten | The ethernet phy takes a fair bit of power |
| 16:53.12 | eFfeM | yes |
| 16:53.36 | eFfeM | actually i'm not really well equiped to do power measurements |
| 16:53.39 | Tiersten | hmm... somebody measured it before and came up with about 1A |
| 16:53.43 | eFfeM | just one measly power connector |
| 16:53.58 | dwery | eFfeM: The highest Vin you used? |
| 16:54.21 | Tiersten | Hmm. Guess not. It varied from 0.5 to 0.6A |
| 16:54.26 | eFfeM | power supply gives 5.3 |
| 16:54.51 | eFfeM | with batteries I started with about 6V unconnected, but that would drop to 4 once the slug was running |
| 16:55.07 | eFfeM | the batteries were not fully fresh |
| 16:55.14 | dwery | eFfeM: I was planning to power it from the car, maybe filtering the supply line a bit. |
| 16:55.55 | Tiersten | Any 5V regulator should be okay |
| 16:56.08 | Tiersten | If you can get one then a 12V -> 5V DC-DC converter would be best |
| 16:56.19 | dwery | Tiersten: If the onboard regulator is switching, I would throw in 12V directly. |
| 16:56.37 | eFfeM | I'm not really a hw guy, but if I understood the messages in the group correctly this should be possible |
| 16:56.48 | eFfeM | I was not *that* daring thoug |
| 16:56.53 | Tiersten | I don't believe it's 12V capable |
| 16:56.57 | dwery | eFfeM: :) i'll have to see the datasheet |
| 16:57.14 | eFfeM | (already fried my power supply (made a nice source for the connector though) |
| 16:57.16 | Tiersten | Running the NSLU2 at less than 5V isn't recommended either if you want to attach any USB devices |
| 16:57.29 | eFfeM | There is a ref to the datasheet in the wiki, but I could not access it yesterday. |
| 17:00.37 | eFfeM | it is at http://www.feeling-tech.com.tw/EN/Product/ProductList.asp?iWebId=1&sDownloadType=2&#A but I only can d/l a few KB |
| 17:01.46 | eFfeM | get 29.1 kb in 1 sec ... |
| 17:01.51 | dwery | do you have the chip name ? |
| 17:03.22 | eFfeM | FP5452 |
| 17:03.51 | eFfeM | see http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Info/LinksToHardwareComponentDocumentation |
| 17:04.39 | dwery | I tried googling for it, no success. |
| 17:04.49 | dwery | usualy google can find almost all datasheets |
| 17:05.48 | eFfeM | well the feeling-tech url gives you the chip site |
| 17:05.55 | eFfeM | chip supplier |
| 17:06.07 | dwery | i get a connection refused... |
| 17:08.04 | eFfeM | no problem here, Tiersten, could you give the url a try? |
| 17:08.45 | Tiersten | I don't know why you're trying anyway. The chip if I remember correctly can support to around 30V but you'll fry any USB device you plug in |
| 17:09.08 | Tiersten | The FP5452 is to provide 3.3V |
| 17:09.25 | eFfeM | ok and the 5 v is going to the FP and directly to the USB |
| 17:09.34 | dwery | no |
| 17:09.35 | Tiersten | Pretty much yes |
| 17:09.43 | dwery | the USB connector is connected to the FP |
| 17:09.47 | Tiersten | It's not directly connected but it doesn't have another regulator in it |
| 17:09.49 | eFfeM | so 12v could feed the slug but no peripherals ? |
| 17:10.01 | Tiersten | You sure? Somebody mapped it out and it went to an internal layer in the PCB |
| 17:10.21 | dwery | Well, I used a continuity tester |
| 17:10.40 | dwery | and I'm quite sure it's connected to the FP. |
| 17:10.53 | dwery | I will recheck once i have the FP datasheet |
| 17:13.01 | dwery | talked with the i2c maintainer. seems we may not need a driver id for the x1205 driver after all... i'll chack that, |
| 17:16.13 | dwery | I'll check that with the original author. |
| 17:16.55 | Tiersten | Of the x1205 driver? |
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| 17:17.04 | mcdmx | optware-question: I'm looking for the makefile that builds php-mysql. Does it exist? |
| 17:17.06 | dwery | yes |
| 17:18.26 | eFfeM | just checked, without ethernet the power consumption is 400 mA |
| 17:19.25 | dwery | I've to go now.. see ya |
| 17:19.31 | Tiersten | Bye |
| 17:19.34 | eFfeM | cu |
| 17:40.36 | eFfeM | made the wiki page: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/MakeABatteryPoweredSlug |
| 17:41.01 | Tiersten | Cool |
| 17:41.23 | Tiersten | Can you measure the voltage of your batteries and the voltage of the USB port? |
| 17:41.40 | Tiersten | If the USB port is 5V still then it'll maybe be okay running the NSLU2 off 12V.... |
| 17:41.48 | Tiersten | Although you might need to add a heatsink to it |
| 17:41.53 | eFfeM | battery voltage yes, see the wiki for details |
| 17:42.02 | Tiersten | ya but I want to know both at the same time :) |
| 17:42.23 | eFfeM | usb, no, I have only a simple multimeter here and I don't even know where to measure. |
| 17:42.25 | Tiersten | If battery voltage is definitely < 5V and the USB port is 5V then it's not a directish connection between the two |
| 17:42.42 | eFfeM | and together is impossible at all (I only have 1 multimeter) |
| 17:43.02 | eFfeM | We,ll leave it to dwery to test that :-) |
| 17:43.16 | Tiersten | It's easy. Measure the two outer pins |
| 17:43.26 | Tiersten | I don't need to at exactly the same time. Just the same run would do |
| 17:43.58 | eFfeM | I'll see if I can do that. not now |
| 17:44.04 | Tiersten | k. no hurry |
| 17:44.22 | eFfeM | want to grab some coffee first and finish the message to the group |
| 17:44.47 | Tiersten | k |
| 17:57.33 | Jacmet | % uname -a |
| 17:57.41 | Jacmet | Linux slug 2.6.13.1 #1 Sat Sep 17 19:51:18 CEST 2005 armv5tel GNU/Linux <- wee |
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| 18:26.42 | eFfeM-away | Tiersten, just had a quick look at the usb port. I don't think I want to measure it. Too much risk that I touch the outer shielding (which I suppose is grounded) |
| 18:26.54 | eFfeM-away | No desire to fry a usb port ... |
| 18:36.48 | Tiersten | eFfeM-away: You should be able to measure it from the back of the PCB |
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| 22:53.03 | dwery | hello.. anyone is awake? :) |
| 22:53.45 | ByronT | I'm pretending to be asleep |
| 22:53.47 | ByronT | whoops |
| 22:54.37 | dwery | eheh :) I'm still searching for volunteers to test 2.6.13.1 :) |
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| 23:09.41 | kolla | dwery: if I had serial console, I'd do it :) |
| 23:09.49 | kolla | but I dont |
| 23:10.29 | dwery | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:10.33 | dwery | You don't need it |
| 23:10.47 | dwery | IF usbnet works BE :D |
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| 23:12.05 | kolla | usbnet? |
| 23:12.50 | dwery | just kidding.. the usb net drivers does not work in 2.6.13 . I don't know if it's because i'm trying it on a little endian nslu2 or if it's a general problem. |
| 23:15.05 | kolla | ah.. |
| 23:23.34 | dwery | well.. it seems it's working now... |
| 23:41.48 | rwhitby | dwery: Karen Spearel is kas11, and she is best contacted by email. |
| 23:42.32 | dwery | rwhitby: thanks |
| 23:42.52 | dwery | rwhitby: do you know if the driver is still being worked on? |
| 23:53.19 | rwhitby | dwery: dunno, kas11 had a sf project (OpenN2 I think) |
| 23:54.43 | dwery | rwhitby: i'll ask. the current driver is quite ugly and mixes and rtc dev and an i2c driver in the same file. |
| 23:56.46 | rwhitby | dwery: check PM |
| 23:57.39 | rwhitby | dwery: did you get my /msg ? |
| 23:58.32 | dwery | rwhitby: yep |