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| 00:20.30 | Tiersten | VoodooZ_Log: festival works fine for ARM. It sounds like crap however... |
| 00:22.11 | Tiersten | If you want announcements that are clear and sound nice then you'll have to either record them or possibly use a commercial package if that is allowed |
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| 02:23.09 | conradl | Rod i ordered the 101g today...Expected in my hands wed next week |
| 02:23.59 | rwhitby-web | Nice - will you be in a position to take it apart and take hi-res photos? |
| 02:24.33 | conradl | Why not...I have a half decent camera and a light bulb. |
| 02:25.32 | conradl | I have a set of 80 Sata seagates doing nothing... |
| 02:26.01 | conradl | they won't know what hit them next wed night. |
| 02:27.49 | rwhitby-web | Do you have soldering skills to attach a serial port to it ? |
| 02:28.26 | Tiersten | A DS-101g+ ? |
| 02:28.52 | conradl | I am a tv/radio tech by trade like 12 years ago. |
| 02:29.11 | conradl | But things don't get fixed anymore... |
| 02:29.50 | conradl | and i hate dealing with angry customers thats why i went to sales. |
| 02:31.42 | Tiersten | Is it a Synology DS-101g+? |
| 02:33.03 | conradl | yip |
| 02:33.08 | rwhitby-web | Tiersten: yeah, we can get them in Aus. conradl: how much was it again? |
| 02:33.30 | rwhitby-web | conradl: do you have a RS232 to 3.3V level converter solution? |
| 02:33.40 | Tiersten | For the plain DS-101 according to NAiL, there is a header for the serial port already. You just need the level converter |
| 02:33.56 | Tiersten | I'd assume that the DS-101g+ would have it as well |
| 02:34.20 | conradl | nope but i can get one...Rs will have something in stock |
| 02:34.29 | rwhitby-web | Tiersten: yeah, haven't seen an internal pic of the 101g(plus) yet, so dunno. |
| 02:34.41 | conradl | or dickies might have a nasty version. |
| 02:35.07 | conradl | 290 + GST(10%) |
| 02:35.29 | rwhitby-web | conradl: I can send you over a USB->Serial (3.3V TTL) cable if you don't have anything handy. |
| 02:35.58 | rwhitby-web | (it an old phone data cable - we use them for slug serial ports). |
| 02:36.22 | conradl | i will build/buy bits over the weekend. |
| 02:36.47 | rwhitby-web | talk to dyoung-zzzz about building - he's the MAX3232 expert :-) |
| 02:36.51 | conradl | I have a erricson and nokia cable |
| 02:37.20 | rwhitby-web | conradl: I'll be keen to get you up and running with serial on it, so we can investigate the boot loader and see how hackable it is ... |
| 02:37.30 | rwhitby-web | back later ... |
| 02:37.47 | rwhitby-lunch | conradl: if it's hackable then I might buy one too |
| 02:38.03 | conradl | What do you mean if... |
| 02:40.37 | NAiL | Tiersten: Both ds101 and ds101g+ have the serial header already |
| 02:40.41 | NAiL | no soldering needed |
| 02:41.06 | NAiL | If the pinout is the same, pin1 is GND, pin4 is TX and pin6 is RX. |
| 02:41.31 | NAiL | And I assume it's the same, since otherwise they'd have to make two different cables to debug :-P |
| 02:42.22 | conradl | true ---and that make it hard. |
| 02:43.27 | conradl | The hard bit will be finding a pc with a serial port in my house... |
| 02:43.56 | ByronT | use a serial to USB cable |
| 02:44.39 | NAiL | like I use :) |
| 02:45.00 | ByronT | um... like most of us use for the serial slugs |
| 02:45.12 | conradl | my old Laptop has a serial and that way i can leave it next to the new toy and just run something basic on it. |
| 02:45.52 | NAiL | I'm going to use one of my slugs as a cheapo "console server" :-P |
| 02:53.50 | NAiL | conradl/rwhitby: http://www.carpin.demon.nl/ds-101g+back.jpg |
| 02:53.57 | NAiL | The serial port is on the top left |
| 02:54.31 | NAiL | the pads right to the left and a little bit up is JTAG |
| 02:55.10 | NAiL | http://www.carpin.demon.nl/ds-101g+front.jpg is the front, of course :) |
| 02:57.01 | NAiL | If the orientation is the same, pin1 is topright |
| 02:57.30 | NAiL | oh, neat |
| 02:57.40 | NAiL | the ds101g+ has unpopulated ram spaces |
| 02:58.10 | NAiL | Shouldn't be much of a problem to add another 64mb then :P |
| 02:59.56 | conradl | all i want is shell access...everything else will follow. |
| 03:00.23 | conradl | I just hope they don't muck me round and make me wait another day... |
| 03:00.23 | NAiL | instructions for telnet is on the wiki already. It's confirmed to work ;) |
| 03:00.43 | conradl | So ssh into slug then telnet to 101 |
| 03:00.57 | conradl | remotely of course! |
| 03:01.03 | NAiL | hehe :) |
| 03:01.38 | conradl | i just don't know what i would do without screen :) |
| 03:01.58 | NAiL | me neiter :) |
| 03:03.12 | conradl | i will set up the old Laptop tonight dual boot 2k and slackware mini. i think. |
| 03:03.35 | conradl | Its empty at this point. |
| 03:18.28 | conradl | I have a usb to serial on my hiacom GPS thing that i never use... |
| 03:18.40 | NAiL | might work... |
| 03:18.57 | conradl | Maybe i could watch to see if my house moves... |
| 03:19.08 | NAiL | hehe |
| 03:19.25 | conradl | Could happen... |
| 03:19.35 | conradl | gps over network |
| 03:20.09 | NAiL | not a bad idea that ;) |
| 03:20.34 | conradl | i did have in in the car for war driving for a while. then grab the files each night wirelessly. |
| 03:22.30 | conradl | I think the laptop with a real hardware serial port might be the go. i will get build a max 232 converter this week. |
| 03:27.53 | Tiersten | Don't use a MAX232 as that is for 5V |
| 03:29.28 | conradl | i want 5v to 3.3 Right? |
| 03:29.42 | NAiL | yup |
| 03:29.47 | Tiersten | huh? |
| 03:29.50 | Tiersten | 5v to 3.3v?? |
| 03:30.20 | NAiL | rs232 5v -> ds101 3.3v |
| 03:30.24 | conradl | sorry 3V |
| 03:30.35 | NAiL | ah, yes. /me shuts up now |
| 03:30.37 | Tiersten | NAiL: ?? |
| 03:30.49 | Tiersten | RS232 is -/+ 12V... |
| 03:31.21 | Tiersten | A MAX3233 would do nicely in this case. It's 3.3V and has internal capacitors. |
| 03:31.46 | NAiL | Apparently, it's time :-P |
| 03:34.49 | conradl | I think a kit will be the go i can't find the right gear... |
| 03:37.48 | Tiersten | Some people have been using a kit from CompSys. It's in the US however. you'll have to wait until rwhitby comes back for something .au specific |
| 03:38.10 | Tiersten | Didn't he offer a USB->serial cable which was 3.3V earlier? |
| 03:39.41 | conradl | I want to find one now...Its personal and a big surprise i can't. |
| 03:40.19 | ByronT | I have multiple serial <-> cables |
| 03:40.28 | ByronT | 10 or so at last count... |
| 03:40.49 | ByronT | of course, so does Tiersten and another unamed individual |
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| 03:42.56 | conradl | when i get home i am going over every usb-? and every phone data cable i own. That will take about 4 min |
| 03:44.07 | Tiersten | Just check it outputs 3.3V. Apart from that all you need to work out is which wire is rxd, txd and gnd. Shouldn't take long at all assuming the plug isn't too fiddly |
| 03:44.50 | Tiersten | 5V into the IXP420 will kill that line as somebody else had found out the hard way |
| 03:47.10 | ByronT | I wonder who that somebody might be.......... |
| 03:47.22 | Tiersten | Wasn't thinking you actually :) |
| 03:47.39 | Tiersten | He killed a different pin but the serial port won't appreciate 5V either |
| 03:47.45 | ByronT | I don't think I did..... |
| 03:47.53 | ByronT | yeah, I did kill the Rx pin |
| 03:48.27 | ByronT | i was thinking one of NAiLzZz's was dead from that (as well as one of VoodooZ's) |
| 03:48.43 | Tiersten | VoodooZ somehow managed to kill two GPIOs |
| 03:49.00 | Tiersten | First time was accidently shorting it to 5V and the second time was a mystery |
| 03:49.45 | conradl | MAX 3232 CPE i found them in 14 pin |
| 03:49.46 | ByronT | I think I killed mine while running in naked mode |
| 03:49.58 | Tiersten | conradl: Sounds about right |
| 03:50.00 | ByronT | and I must have shorted something... |
| 03:50.00 | conradl | locally like 2-3 ks away |
| 03:50.29 | conradl | $10.30 So i will try to get there this afternoon |
| 03:50.45 | Tiersten | You can get a different chip which doesn't have the internal caps which is cheaper |
| 03:51.06 | Tiersten | More hassle to use since you have to add 4-5 caps |
| 03:51.59 | conradl | I think i did well finding that at short notice. |
| 03:52.15 | Tiersten | Okay :) |
| 03:52.56 | Tiersten | You got the rest of the bits like the socket to fit the pin header on the PCB? |
| 03:53.06 | conradl | looking for alternatives now... |
| 03:54.08 | conradl | yip lots of old school parts at home and a good soldering iron and i even have smb gear |
| 03:55.35 | Tiersten | You sure the got the right part BTW? The MAX3232 is 16 pin |
| 03:55.56 | Tiersten | Huge table at http://para.maxim-ic.com/compare.asp?Fam=RS232&Tree=Interface&HP=Interface.cfm&ln= |
| 03:56.17 | conradl | Nope not sure |
| 03:57.48 | Tiersten | Anyway, I'm off to bed. Night all |
| 03:59.17 | ByronT | same here... time for bed |
| 04:00.08 | conradl | cay |
| 04:00.09 | rwhitby-web | wonder what the big PC1 connector pads are for at the top of http://www.carpin.demon.nl/ds-101g front.jpg |
| 04:00.48 | rwhitby-web | and what the U32 pads are for near the bottom of http://www.carpin.demon.nl/ds-101g back.jpg |
| 04:01.10 | rwhitby-web | (replace the spaces in the two URLs above with plus signs). |
| 04:08.20 | conradl | my dns must be sad ..it never resolves....i get that a lot at work but work fine at home. |
| 04:10.07 | NAiLzZz | rwhitby-web: it says PCI 1, so... |
| 04:10.17 | NAiLzZz | it does look like a full-size pci-slot |
| 04:10.28 | conradl | joke. |
| 04:11.13 | rwhitby-web | NAiLzZz: maybe you could put an MPEG4 encoder card in there too ... |
| 04:11.24 | NAiLzZz | That's be *really* neat |
| 04:11.54 | NAiLzZz | There's lots of unpopulated spaces on the board |
| 04:12.14 | rwhitby-web | So did you get a 101 or 101g(plus) ? |
| 04:12.21 | NAiLzZz | room for more memory, pci-slot, U32 whatever that is, what looks like a floppy-power connector |
| 04:12.24 | NAiLzZz | I got a 101 |
| 04:12.34 | NAiLzZz | I'll have to wait with the 101g+ |
| 04:13.00 | NAiLzZz | I'm not rich :P |
| 04:13.28 | NAiLzZz | I wonder what connector CN3 is... |
| 04:13.43 | NAiLzZz | just below the jtag connector on the backside |
| 04:14.34 | rwhitby-web | four signals and three grounds |
| 04:15.13 | rwhitby-web | compare it to CN5 - its an SATA connector |
| 04:15.42 | NAiLzZz | hmm... so it might be possible to add *another* s-ata disk? |
| 04:15.56 | NAiL | sleeping seems such a waste :P |
| 04:16.09 | rwhitby-web | probably an alternative to CN9. |
| 04:16.23 | rwhitby-web | (i.e. probably not another disk) |
| 04:16.43 | conradl | VIA EPIA-ML6000EA Mini ITX Mainboard with 667MHz Fanless processor is $149 + gst lots of connectors |
| 04:17.21 | conradl | VIA EPIA5000 - Mini ITX Mainboard with ESP5000 Fanless processor $135 + gst |
| 04:17.38 | rwhitby-web | conradl: URLs? |
| 04:17.38 | NAiL | I've got the M10K |
| 04:18.04 | conradl | ummm www.bcntech.com.au |
| 04:18.20 | conradl | or www.via.com.tw |
| 04:19.00 | NAiL | the M10k has a very noisy fan though :( |
| 04:20.55 | conradl | 1.3 is sata Plus stuff for $239 + gst |
| 04:21.36 | NAiL | the ds101 has a very annoying blue led though |
| 04:21.48 | NAiL | Its most annoying feature |
| 04:23.27 | rwhitby-web | snip snip |
| 04:24.38 | NAiL | well... desolder, I guess |
| 04:25.03 | NAiL | They've provided two metal strips with glue though... to ground the hdd to the "case" |
| 04:25.09 | conradl | tape is your friend. |
| 04:25.16 | rwhitby-web | bbi1m (network change) |
| 04:25.19 | NAiL | I can just use one of them in front |
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| 04:25.43 | conradl | back soon...Coke and choc run |
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| 04:53.21 | dyoung-web | I'm starting to feel left out. |
| 04:53.47 | dyoung-web | need ds-101g. |
| 04:54.02 | rwhitby-web | need ds-101g(plus) |
| 04:54.25 | dyoung-web | Right. |
| 04:54.27 | dyoung-web | That one. |
| 04:54.29 | rwhitby-web | dyoung-web: AUD$300 |
| 04:54.33 | dyoung-web | but I cant type (plus)_ |
| 04:54.38 | dyoung-web | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:55.09 | dyoung-web | Hmm. Thats like 3 slugs isnt it? |
| 04:55.40 | rwhitby-web | two slugs in AUD |
| 04:56.10 | rwhitby-web | what's a 101gplus in USD ? |
| 04:56.31 | dyoung-web | buy.com has it for $222USD. |
| 04:56.58 | dyoung-web | http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10412107&SearchEngine=PriceGrabber&SearchTerm=10412107&Type=PE&Category=Comp&Gad=0&dcaid=15890 |
| 04:57.55 | ka6sox-away | thats almost 3 slugs. |
| 04:58.03 | ka6sox-away | how much memory? |
| 04:59.10 | rwhitby-web | dyoung-web: can you get it in HI for that price? |
| 04:59.33 | ka6sox-away | I can here. |
| 04:59.53 | dyoung-web | They screw me for shipping at buy.com all the time. |
| 05:00.17 | dyoung-web | heh |
| 05:00.23 | dyoung-web | I'm gonna have to buy one. |
| 05:00.28 | rwhitby-web | it says free shipping .. |
| 05:00.33 | ka6sox-away | not to hawaii |
| 05:00.46 | ka6sox-away | better order soon... |
| 05:00.50 | dyoung-web | free shipping unless you dont live in the continental us. |
| 05:00.52 | ka6sox-away | otherwise may not have enough. |
| 05:01.03 | rwhitby-web | ah "FREE Budget Shipping is not available for International orders or shipments to Alaska and Hawaii." |
| 05:01.21 | ka6sox-away | FREE Budget Shipping is not available for International orders or shipments to Alaska and Hawaii. |
| 05:01.28 | dyoung-web | "Quantities are limited!" |
| 05:01.31 | dyoung-web | "Buy NOW!" |
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| 05:02.39 | rwhitby-web | will wait to see the serial console log from conradl first ... |
| 05:02.39 | NAiL | I'd love to afford a g+ |
| 05:02.40 | ka6sox-away | I have a shipment headed to Hi soon... |
| 05:02.55 | rwhitby-web | will it fit in a $14 box? |
| 05:03.00 | ka6sox-away | I think so. |
| 05:03.20 | NAiL | the ds101g+ costs USD390 here |
| 05:03.38 | dyoung-web | I need to review the budget before commiting to that kind of purchase. |
| 05:03.40 | ka6sox-away | NAiL will have to wait 1month. |
| 05:04.08 | odoc | notify.inc.php and pm.php are missing ?!? |
| 05:04.09 | odoc | wtf |
| 05:04.15 | odoc | i translated them ;( |
| 05:04.16 | NAiL | ka6sox-away: uh? What? |
| 05:04.34 | NAiL | ah, if someone ships it from over there ;) |
| 05:05.02 | odoc | ops ... wrong window |
| 05:05.11 | ka6sox-away | ya |
| 05:05.21 | ka6sox-away | woo hoo |
| 05:05.25 | dyoung-web | Hmm |
| 05:05.33 | ka6sox-away | 770? |
| 05:05.36 | ka6sox-away | 800? |
| 05:05.45 | ka6sox-away | what is that in USD. |
| 05:06.17 | rwhitby-web | It's supposed to repay the purchase price of the Treo 650, but I figure that's a sunk cost already, so I can spend the 550 ... |
| 05:06.31 | ka6sox-away | :) |
| 05:06.53 | NAiL | 550 is enough for two g+'es. Send one to me ;-) |
| 05:07.55 | NAiL | I'll hopefully get a bunch of money soon, so I can buy myself a g+ and that sound-thingy |
| 05:09.04 | rwhitby-web | NAiL: AUD$550 is only USD$410 |
| 05:09.11 | NAiL | dang |
| 05:10.19 | rwhitby-web | dyoung-web: that buy,com link says it's a ByteCC product ... |
| 05:10.52 | dyoung-web | maybe ByteCC is the importer or exporter ? |
| 05:11.38 | dyoung-web | The Nerds have it for $215. |
| 05:11.50 | dyoung-web | But I've only heard the name before, never actually ordered anything from there. |
| 05:11.52 | dyoung-web | http://www.thenerds.net/index.php?page=productpage&affid=2&pn=DS101G |
| 05:13.10 | ka6sox-away | whats the cheapest ds101 non g plus go for? |
| 05:13.58 | dyoung-web | hmm., maybe it is a differnt animal. More research required. |
| 05:15.45 | dyoung-web | they say "6 in 1" though., so it does kind of seem like the right one. |
| 05:15.48 | rwhitby-web | http://newsite.pagecomputers.com/store/Product_accessoriesx.asp?catalog%5Fname=Unclassified&category%5Fname=32g32c302s1287&product%5Fid=800073 <- < USD$200 for g(plus) |
| 05:16.31 | dyoung-web | Never heard of 'em. |
| 05:16.37 | rwhitby-web | So I can buy two for my $USD410, but just can't ship them... |
| 05:16.49 | dyoung-web | they'll probably ream me on shiping |
| 05:17.15 | dyoung-web | $33 for shipping |
| 05:19.17 | NAiLzZZ | nite all |
| 05:19.28 | ka6sox-away | nite NAiLzZZ |
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| 07:22.58 | perlguru | hi |
| 07:28.43 | ka6sox-away | morning |
| 07:36.49 | perlguru | any news on unslung 6.x? |
| 07:37.53 | perlguru | or is everybody busy with openslug? |
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| 07:54.31 | ka6sox-away | the manager is asleep now...but will be up in about 7hrs...I'll ask him then :) |
| 08:01.12 | CIA-8 | 03rpurdie 07org.openembedded.dev * r13f41f22... 10/packages/linux/linux-openzaurus_2.6.13-rc5-mm1.bb: linux-oz-2.6: Correct the order of a couple of patches |
| 08:28.41 | rwhitby-away | perlguru: interested in helping out on unslung 6? |
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| 09:34.47 | perlguru | rwhitby-away: what needs to be done? |
| 09:42.34 | rwhitby-away | perlguru: well, there is a ufsd package for Unslung 5.5 which needs testing and writing up on the wiki about how to use it (that's the NTFS kernel module package) |
| 09:42.55 | rwhitby-away | then we may look at a way to replace USB_Detect so that you can hotplug drives and it supports NTFS |
| 09:43.15 | rwhitby-away | then there is the Unslung 6.x alpha with the binary kernel which needs testing |
| 09:43.42 | rwhitby-away | and when the source for R63 comes out we then need to incorporate that. |
| 09:44.07 | rwhitby-away | (the unslung with R63 binary kernel has significant issues and I wouldn't suggest anyone migrate to it at the moment) |
| 09:45.34 | perlguru | I can toy a bit with ufsd. I have a USB disk NTFS formatted. |
| 09:46.07 | perlguru | And udev/hotplug as a solution for USB_Detect? |
| 09:49.03 | perlguru | It is a bit more difficult for me to expiriment with udev, because i have only 1 slug. |
| 09:56.42 | CIA-8 | 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * rfa2b3fdd... 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): add glue package for a sharprom toolchain in usage w/ DISTRO=sharprom-compatible |
| 09:56.44 | CIA-8 | 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r3f2469e3... 10/classes/efl.bbclass: efl.bbclass: move libfoo.la and libfoo.a into ${PN}-dev |
| 09:56.47 | CIA-8 | 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * rdc2238d7... 10/packages/efl/ (8 files): |
| 09:56.47 | CIA-8 | efl: |
| 09:56.47 | CIA-8 | - make the foo.inc files provide virtual/foo |
| 09:56.47 | CIA-8 | - build ecore-fb [and -native] without edb and without curl support |
| 09:56.47 | CIA-8 | for the projected purpose, both dependencies are not needed and this gains us -700MB in a resulting image |
| 10:08.11 | mithro | hey people, is there any hardware modification which could allow an internal SD card without stealing a USB port? |
| 10:08.41 | Tiersten | No. Not enough spare GPIOs |
| 10:09.57 | Tiersten | It's possible if you take over all 4 LED lines but then you have to fiddle with the kernel and possibly the bootloader to tell it not to attempt to turn on the LEDs |
| 10:10.25 | Tiersten | I can't remember if RedBoot did anything with the LED lines. If not then you just need to modify the kernel to prevent that. |
| 10:10.38 | Tiersten | The 4 LED lines being the dual colour power/status and the two disk LEDs |
| 10:16.12 | CIA-8 | 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r3ebe797f... 10/packages/rrdtool/rrdtool_1.0.49.bb: rrdtool: fix SRC_URI |
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| 10:26.40 | CIA-8 | 03rpurdie 07org.openembedded.dev * r80cd2f23... 10/packages/linux/ (2 files): linux-oz-2.6: Fix corgi touchscreen and power management issues. Update urls in 2.6.11 kernel |
| 10:28.40 | rwhitby-away | perlguru: for the hotplug, we need something which will work with Unslung. Will udev work with the 2.4 kernel? |
| 10:29.14 | rwhitby-away | New application for the slug: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Puppy/ToppyBiff |
| 10:30.26 | rwhitby-away | is wiki editing really slow for anyone else at the moment? |
| 10:31.48 | Tiersten | concept for a new paradigm? |
| 10:31.57 | rwhitby-away | heh :-) |
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| 10:37.04 | Tiersten | And yeah, it's slow. It's been slow for the last couple of days for me |
| 10:37.23 | rwhitby-away | it doesn't seem to be the load on nugabe. |
| 10:37.46 | rwhitby-away | maybe the uplink is saturated ... |
| 10:38.08 | Tiersten | maybe. it's very early morning there and it's sluggish around that time |
| 10:38.25 | Tiersten | last time I checked, it was something in Level3 that had packet loss for me |
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| 10:54.50 | conradl | Hi rod. I have a usb to serial that terminates to ps2 for my gps so that should be fine. |
| 10:55.21 | rwhitby-away | ps2? like the keyboard connector? |
| 10:55.55 | conradl | yip |
| 10:56.15 | rwhitby-away | is that 3.3V ? |
| 10:56.18 | conradl | a old cheap kb is about to give its all |
| 10:57.42 | conradl | inside the comverter is just a pl 2303 |
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| 11:03.28 | conradl | i just have to make sure what its set for...the gps is dual mode 5 and 3 V output.... |
| 11:07.22 | perlguru | small, smaller, smallest: http://www.picotux.com |
| 11:26.24 | peteru-home | neat. |
| 11:27.32 | peteru-home | Are there any manufacturers that have something like the Arcom VULCAN, but with miniPCI instead of CF+/PC104 ? |
| 11:27.45 | peteru-home | http://www.arcom.com/pc104-ixp425-vulcan.htm |
| 11:28.31 | peteru-home | In particular, I'm interested in a IXP4xx board with USB2.0 host and miniPCI/802.11g |
| 11:29.22 | rwhitby | Loft? |
| 11:30.44 | rwhitby | ([g2]'s new "Loft" board meets those specs ...) |
| 12:03.07 | conradl | Rod...My device is setup as 5V so i might have further look @ the shop for a phone cable. and yay my gps still works so i didn't kill it. |
| 12:07.35 | peteru-home | I can't find a wiki entry for loft :( |
| 12:07.39 | peteru-home | Anyone got a URL? |
| 12:08.04 | dyoung | It doesnt quite exist yet. he should have prototypes in hand soon. |
| 12:08.12 | dyoung | its based roughly on this: http://www.gateworks.com/avila_gw2342.htm |
| 12:08.39 | dyoung | it does not have Host USB 2.0; but you could use a minipci slot for that. |
| 12:08.44 | rwhitby | conradl: as I said I can express post over a phone cable ... |
| 12:10.10 | conradl | I may take you up on that before the weekend is out. |
| 12:11.19 | rwhitby | I can post it on Monday and you'd get it Tuesday. |
| 12:11.36 | rwhitby | So you've got the weekend to find an alternative. |
| 12:14.03 | conradl | yip..i hate to give up. |
| 12:15.20 | conradl | i have got a new ups just for this unit |
| 12:15.21 | rwhitby | if you can get into the boot loader and we can work out how to reflash the firmware if required, then I'll probably buy one too (get ka6sox to buy one in the states and ship it - USD$214 instead of AUD$300). |
| 12:15.44 | conradl | whats the exchange rate? |
| 12:16.11 | rwhitby | 0.75 at the moment |
| 12:16.32 | rwhitby | so it's close. how much is compucon charging for shipping? |
| 12:17.10 | conradl | $ 0 there is a office in every state. in QLD its next to powerware...handy |
| 12:17.12 | rwhitby | (i.e. what's the total AUD cost to get one to my doorstep?) |
| 12:17.33 | rwhitby | ah, so I could pick one up in Adelaide? |
| 12:17.39 | rwhitby | what was the price again? |
| 12:17.40 | conradl | $319 and i will do the postage. |
| 12:17.49 | conradl | 290+ GST |
| 12:18.05 | rwhitby | can I paypal you? |
| 12:19.46 | conradl | i have no idea how that works... they have an office in Kurralta Park SA 5037 |
| 12:19.52 | rwhitby | how much do they sell the plain DS101 for? |
| 12:19.55 | conradl | is that close |
| 12:20.07 | rwhitby | close enough to pick it up |
| 12:20.17 | conradl | they never told me...i never asked. |
| 12:20.36 | conradl | i can make sure they will supply you. |
| 12:20.57 | conradl | http://www.compucon.com.au/Compucon.htm |
| 12:25.41 | rwhitby | seems that most places in AU want at least $300 for the plain DS101 |
| 12:27.32 | conradl | the 290 is disk-less price. |
| 12:28.28 | conradl | i have spare 80S or i can pull one of the 200s out of this machine |
| 12:28.41 | conradl | it has 1.4T of space... |
| 12:31.33 | rwhitby | I think the $300 I'm seeing for the plain DS101 is a disk-less price too ... |
| 12:31.44 | conradl | oh. |
| 12:31.58 | rwhitby | which makes it an easy choice :-) |
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| 12:34.04 | conradl | i want to pull some of the drives out and was looking @ the netgear 2 disk station thingie |
| 12:34.04 | conradl | http://www.computeralliance.com.au/parts.aspx?qryPart=5361 |
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| 12:36.46 | conradl | looks like a baby toaster... |
| 12:37.41 | rwhitby | $229 isn't bad ... |
| 12:40.16 | conradl | it would take the heat off this pc. |
| 12:41.00 | conradl | be cheaper other venders. |
| 12:46.55 | conradl | $200 around the cheap shops |
| 12:47.35 | rwhitby | just read something about it requiring software on the client to access it |
| 12:47.48 | rwhitby | http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=384656 |
| 12:53.43 | conradl | Thats gonna hurt it bad.i don't want it anymore |
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| 13:38.40 | peteru-home | Jeebus - It's EMC in a toaster. I wouldn't want it either! ;-) |
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| 13:53.19 | mithro | how many GPIO lines does the SLUG have? |
| 13:54.28 | rwhitby | ~nslu2-wiki |
| 13:54.31 | jbot | [nslu2-wiki] the short-hand way of saying "Have a look at the NSLU2-Linux Wiki at http://www.nslu2-linux.org/". |
| 13:54.51 | rwhitby | http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Info/GPIOConnections |
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| 13:55.05 | mithro | rwhitby: yeah i'm looking now |
| 13:55.53 | mithro | rwhitby: do you know much about i2c? would it be possible to put a 4 GPIO port extender onto the i2c bus to add SD storage from? |
| 13:58.10 | rwhitby | probably. Have you seen the wrt54g sd hack? |
| 13:58.41 | mithro | yes |
| 13:58.58 | mithro | it attaches to the GPIO lines |
| 13:59.13 | mithro | only all our GPIO lines are used for the Leds |
| 14:00.18 | rwhitby | you could use the buzzer, power off, and two disk leds ... |
| 14:00.22 | mithro | i guess the other option is to get a $20 card reader and tap of the USB lines? |
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| 14:05.51 | VoodooZ_Work | Tiersten, have you personally tried festival on ARM or just heard about it? For me it would be mostly for show so it's not a big deal if it sounds crappy. |
| 14:06.20 | VoodooZ_Work | If I could get Sphinx4 to work on the slug though, that would be way cooler! |
| 14:08.25 | mithro | rwhitby: how does usb work? can two ports be connected to the same line thingy? |
| 14:09.54 | VoodooZ_Work | probably easiest with the cheap card reader. |
| 14:16.57 | CIA-7 | 03florian 07org.openembedded.dev * rd3de05a5... 10/packages/meta/meta-sdk.bb: meta-sdk: remove obsolete libxsettings. |
| 14:17.00 | CIA-7 | 03florian 07org.openembedded.dev * ra4e8da76... 10/packages/libxsettings-client/libxsettings-client_0.14.bb: libxsettings-client: Add V 0.14 |
| 14:17.05 | CIA-7 | 03florian 07org.openembedded.dev * rfeaca122... 10/packages/libschedule/libschedule_0.15.bb: libschedule: Add V 0.15. Courtesy by Philippe de Swert. |
| 14:17.08 | CIA-7 | 03florian 07org.openembedded.dev * ra4323ae1... 10/packages/gpe-announce/gpe-announce_0.13.bb: gpe-announce: Add V 0.13. Contributed by Philippe de Swert. |
| 14:17.11 | CIA-7 | 03florian 07org.openembedded.dev * rf570fb95... 10/packages/gpe-calendar/gpe-calendar_0.63.bb: gpe-calendar: Add version 0.63, contributed by Philippe de Swert. |
| 14:17.14 | CIA-7 | 03florian 07org.openembedded.dev * r41853f4a... 10/packages/gpe-clock/gpe-clock_0.21.bb: gpe-clock: Add release 0.21, contributed by Philippe de Swert. |
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| 14:26.43 | CIA-7 | 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r2a4b0586... 10/packages/gpe-package/gpe-package_0.3.bb: gpe-package 0.3: add to repo |
| 14:26.45 | CIA-7 | 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r23a6ba32... 10/conf/distro/preferred-gpe-versions-2.7.inc: |
| 14:26.45 | CIA-7 | conf/distro/preferred-gpe-versions-2.7.inc: updates |
| 14:26.46 | CIA-7 | libschedule -> 0.15 |
| 14:26.46 | CIA-7 | gpe-calendar -> 0.63 |
| 14:26.46 | CIA-7 | gpe-clock -> 0.21 |
| 14:26.46 | CIA-7 | gpe-package -> 0.3 |
| 14:31.54 | rwhitby | night all |
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| 14:37.27 | kitno455 | re all |
| 14:39.14 | copperbeech | anyone know anything about ctorrent? |
| 14:39.54 | kitno455 | nope |
| 14:44.02 | kitno455 | anyone know anything about alignment on the strongarm? |
| 14:44.15 | copperbeech | nope :-) |
| 14:44.20 | kitno455 | heh |
| 14:44.39 | kitno455 | where's jbowler when you need him :) |
| 14:45.04 | copperbeech | jbot, seen jbowler |
| 14:45.09 | jbot | jbowler <n=jbowler@nslu2-linux/jbowler> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 14d 16h 24m 42s ago, saying: 'The non nslu2-linux.org commit indirectly to .dev - the delay before NAiL or I propagate really isn't a whole lot of protection...'. |
| 14:45.51 | ka6sox-away | holiday time |
| 14:46.06 | kitno455 | right, i need one of those |
| 14:57.10 | CIA-7 | 03rwhitby 07org.openembedded.dev * rdf619438... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): unslung-kernel: enabled CONFIG_NET_WIRELESS |
| 14:57.12 | CIA-7 | 03rwhitby 07org.openembedded.dev * re7835394... 10/packages/zd1211/ (8 files in 2 dirs): zd1211: Added zd1211-4916 (rumoured to work with Unslung). |
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| 15:23.37 | copperbeech | rwhitby: ping |
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| 15:25.58 | copperbeech | rwhitby: are you planning to put the nslu2-developers list on Gmane to make it available via NNTP ? |
| 15:33.18 | copperbeech | question: I have ncurses installed (an up-to-date) but I don't seem to have the screen binary installed... any ideas? |
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| 15:43.37 | copperbeech | hmm the package search says 'screen' is in ncurses, but when I extract the *.ipk file there is no screen binary in it... |
| 15:46.49 | hannesr | screen should be a separate package |
| 15:47.13 | copperbeech | even for unslung? |
| 15:47.39 | copperbeech | seems like the package search is not quite correct there then :-) |
| 15:47.49 | copperbeech | thanks hannesr |
| 15:48.43 | jstueve | i think the screen in ncurses is a screen configuration file.. |
| 15:49.08 | copperbeech | well it gets installed in ./opt/bin (allegedly) |
| 15:50.35 | jstueve | hm.. not according to ipkg files ncurses |
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| 15:51.53 | jstueve | but I'm running openslug.. lol |
| 15:52.14 | hannesr | according to http://ipkgfind.nslu2-linux.org/details.php?package=screen&official=&format= there's a "screen" package for unslung, which contains the screen binary |
| 15:52.54 | copperbeech | according to http://ipkgfind.nslu2-linux.org/result.php?query=screen&searchtype=file§ion= it is the only package which provides screen for unslung :-P |
| 15:56.33 | hannesr | maybe it's because screen calls its binary "/usr/bin/screen-4.0.2" |
| 15:56.54 | hannesr | but what the /usr/bin/screen supposedly in ncurses is about I have no idea |
| 15:57.30 | copperbeech | I've raised a slugbug |
| 16:00.20 | copperbeech | anyone know if a detached screen works like nohup ? |
| 16:00.35 | copperbeech | i.e. if I logout will it kill any detached screens? |
| 16:00.55 | hannesr | screens will stay alive when you logout |
| 16:01.08 | copperbeech | very very cool |
| 16:01.19 | hannesr | it is :) |
| 16:01.36 | NAiL | That mainly what I use screen for |
| 16:01.46 | NAiL | start compile sessions and logging out |
| 16:01.50 | NAiL | or irssi :) |
| 16:02.23 | copperbeech | yeah - I used to use nohup - bit it's non-interactive and you are constantly having to tail nohup.out |
| 16:04.26 | copperbeech | what happens if you are attached to a screen and your connection is lost (e.g. a terminal window over SSH) does the screen detatch and continue running, or is it killed ? |
| 16:06.52 | NAiL | continue |
| 16:07.11 | copperbeech | v v cool |
| 16:07.16 | NAiL | oh yes :) |
| 16:08.27 | copperbeech | I assume that I don't need any special flags... I just did: |
| 16:08.29 | copperbeech | screen cmd |
| 16:08.30 | copperbeech | <command starts in screen> |
| 16:08.32 | copperbeech | Ctrl-A |
| 16:08.34 | copperbeech | D |
| 16:08.35 | copperbeech | which dropped me back to my login shell |
| 16:08.37 | NAiL | yes |
| 16:08.54 | NAiL | or you can do like I do, just start "screen", and execute commands within |
| 16:09.08 | NAiL | of course, that'll start another shell, so it takes a bit more resources |
| 16:42.46 | CIA-7 | 03purbanec * 10unslung/make/puppy.mk: |
| 16:42.46 | CIA-7 | New version of puppy released. |
| 16:42.46 | CIA-7 | Changes the handling of turbo mode. |
| 16:42.46 | CIA-7 | Workarounds for bugs in Topfield USB implementation. |
| 17:01.30 | CIA-7 | 03florian 07org.openembedded.dev * r2f7b3d5a... 10/packages/gpe-nmf/gpe-nmf_0.22.bb: gpe-nmf: Add version 0.22. |
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| 17:48.55 | [cc]smart | i'm a bit irritated to the meaning/content of topdir.conf. Should i put TOPDIR="`pwd`" in there ? |
| 17:49.05 | [cc]smart | seems a bit overdosed... |
| 17:49.11 | [cc]smart | what's the idea ? |
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| 18:52.04 | VoodooZ_Work | yeah, I'm still wondering what it' |
| 18:52.15 | VoodooZ_Work | it is for? there's nothing on the wiki |
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| 19:06.19 | CIA-7 | 03justinp 07org.openembedded.dev * r757ecda6... 10/packages/xscreensaver/ (6 files in 4 dirs): |
| 19:06.19 | CIA-7 | Add xscreensaver 4.22 |
| 19:06.19 | CIA-7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:06.19 | CIA-7 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:00.28 | [cc]smart | I have the feeling all this undocumented variable criss cross usage and referencing is getting out of hand. |
| 20:01.08 | [cc]smart | is somebody able to tell me what nowadays the quivalent of bitbake openslug-image would be ? |
| 20:02.06 | [cc]smart | all this stuff is getting too weird. rule 1) keep it simple stupid |
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| 20:02.56 | [cc]smart | if you look at gento, it cannot be hiden that once they implemented the genius idea of slots, their pacakge base becomes older and older. |
| 20:03.27 | [cc]smart | slots might be fancy but they are just plain violating rule 1 |
| 20:14.33 | [cc]smart | ok, have it |
| 20:15.47 | [cc]smart | but still, could this finally settle ? i'm slowly gettin pissed for several weeks now every weekend just restart fiddling with the environment instead of doing a single line of useful stuff |
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| 20:38.36 | dyoung | [cc]smart: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:38.43 | dyoung | make build-openslug works. |
| 20:38.56 | dyoung | cd openslug; source setup-env; bitbake openslug-image works |
| 21:00.04 | [cc]smart | dyoung: yes, thanks. now it does. but i had a good deal surprises before it did :) many things have changed, but if you use the Master Makefile for all fom the startyou probably didn't run into it, because it deals with that. |
| 21:01.17 | dyoung | incidentally, these config file changes were introduced to eliminate the dependency on berlios and the synlinks it held. |
| 21:02.07 | [cc]smart | but it seems they have grown a bit further .... |
| 21:05.02 | dyoung | not really. |
| 21:05.07 | dyoung | read about freez |
| 21:05.15 | dyoung | freeze . |
| 21:05.57 | dyoung | since youre a core developer working on new packages, it might be adventageous for you to unfreeze. |
| 21:11.12 | CIA-7 | 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r514e1063... 10/packages/pcmcia-cs/files/arm/pcmcia: |
| 21:11.12 | CIA-7 | pcmcia-cs: patch arm/pcmcia to handle 2.6 modules |
| 21:11.12 | CIA-7 | Patch courtesy Matt Reimer, closes #260 |
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| 21:13.39 | kitno455 | re all |
| 21:14.41 | kitno455 | looking for info on ucslugc |
| 21:16.09 | dyoung | 'morning Mr Slug Salter. |
| 21:34.12 | kitno455 | lo |
| 21:34.26 | kitno455 | dont knock it til youve tried it |
| 21:34.32 | kitno455 | well, gotta go. adios |
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| 23:31.37 | CIA-7 | 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r0fce5c9b... 10/packages/xst/xst_0.15.bb: xst 0.15: add it |
| 23:31.40 | CIA-7 | 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r9c1b0044... 10/packages/xst/xst_0.14.bb: xst 0.14: blow away nonworking version |
| 23:31.42 | CIA-7 | 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r07b0317e... 10/packages/gpsdrive/gpsdrive_cvs.bb: gpsdrive_cvs: remove pda patch as it's applied upstream |
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