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10:17.11*** topic/#nslu2-linux is Developer (not end-user) discussion about modifying the Linux operating system on the Linksys NSLU2. Use #nslu2-general for end-user questions. See www.nslu2-linux.org for info, and be sure to read www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Main/FAQ before asking questions.
10:37.34rwhitbydyoung: I think both openslug and unslung and building for me right now.  Trying again for the hat-trick
10:37.55dyoungI have the inverse hat trick.
10:38.15rwhitbyHmm - unslung fails on nudi.  Have we removed bitbake installed from nudi yet?
10:39.12dyoungI removed it right now
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11:02.21becreuzis usb_detect responsible for the on the fly formatting?
11:41.09rwhitbyNOTE: multiple providers are available (glibc, glibc-intermediate);
11:41.09rwhitbyNOTE: consider defining PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/armeb-linux-libc-for-gcc
11:41.19rwhitbydyoung: which should we choose?  just glibc?
11:41.53rwhitbybecreuz: I didn't think anything formatted on the fly - you have to request it via the web interface for unslung
11:55.24dyoungthis all sounds so familiar.
11:55.30dyoungjbowler had the same question a few days ago
11:55.37dyoungI dunno what th eeventual answer was though
11:55.55dyoungHmm, i think I'll vote for glibc
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12:39.26rwhitbyOK, I give up.  I can't work out why glibc no longer builds for Unslung, and I'm not using Unslung any more, so I think I will leave it for someone who gives a ....
12:42.23ka6soxbummer
12:50.06VoodooZ_Workthe father of unslung himself! :)
12:51.09rwhitbyI'm not the toolchain guy.  Someone else will fix it.
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12:56.58CIA-803rwhitby * r99 10/trunk/openslug/nslu2-linux/packages/ (apex gzip): Added gzip
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13:44.31CIA-803nail 07org.openembedded.nslu2-linux * r5eed6a33... 10/packages/nonworking/screen/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Removed screen from nonworking
13:49.58CIA-803nail 07org.openembedded.nslu2-linux * r5eed6a33... 10/packages/nonworking/screen/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Removed screen from nonworking
13:51.40NAiLrwhitby: Do you know why that rev came twice?
13:52.36rwhitbynope, I figured you were just trying to catch me in the cia ratings ....
13:53.04NAiLOf course I am ;-)
13:54.25NAiLit showed up correct in #oe
13:54.37NAiLie, first rev removed screen, second removed ncurses
13:55.20CIA-803nail 07org.openembedded.nslu2-linux * r5eed6a33... 10/packages/nonworking/screen/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Removed screen from nonworking
13:55.22CIA-803rwhitby 07org.openembedded.nslu2-linux * r9c450302... 10/packages/meta/ (openslug-native.bb openslug-packages.bb): Added gzip to openslug-native and openslug-packages
13:55.54rwhitbyNAiL: three times is just plain greedy ....
13:56.01NAiLHahahaha
13:56.24NAiLIt seems to be stuck
13:56.39NAiLBut at this rate, I'll really get many revs ;-)
13:56.49NAiLpoor CIA
13:57.19rwhitbyyes, at this rate your commit interval will approach 5 minutes .
13:57.35NAiLMy work here is done :P
13:57.47ka6soxand everyone else will look bad....
13:57.58NAiLSo? ;-)
13:58.25ka6soxmy commit interval can be measured in fortnights.
13:58.57NAiL116 messages since the first one, 2.99 weeks ago, for an average of 4.33 hours between messages
13:59.13NAiLOf course, because of my split personality, that average is too high :(
13:59.29ka6soxI would attribute it to lack of sleep.
13:59.38CIA-803nail 07org.openembedded.nslu2-linux * r5eed6a33... 10/packages/nonworking/screen/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Removed screen from nonworking
13:59.41CIA-803rwhitby 07org.openembedded.nslu2-linux * r9c450302... 10/packages/meta/ (openslug-native.bb openslug-packages.bb): Added gzip to openslug-native and openslug-packages
13:59.47NAiLNoooo!
14:00.03ka6sox6 times is waaaay too much there....
14:00.05NAiLrwhitby: You're copying my exploit!
14:00.13rwhitbyHah!  Now you'll never get away from me!
14:00.19NAiLNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
14:00.34NAiLI have another commit in the queue though
14:00.38NAiLthat doesn't show up
14:00.44NAiLI should have that one as well
14:01.15ka6soxpoor CIA
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14:02.01rwhitbyxmlrpclib.ProtocolError: <ProtocolError for cia.navi.cx/RPC2: 500 Internal Server Error>
14:02.49CIA-803nail 07org.openembedded.nslu2-linux * r5eed6a33... 10/packages/nonworking/screen/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Removed screen from nonworking
14:02.49NAiLoh, nice
14:02.51CIA-803rwhitby 07org.openembedded.nslu2-linux * r9c450302... 10/packages/meta/ (openslug-native.bb openslug-packages.bb): Added gzip to openslug-native and openslug-packages
14:02.58NAiLaugh, yours is still there
14:03.56rwhitbyI've reset ciabot.  your rev in the queue will have been lost
14:04.16NAiLWHAT?!
14:04.22NAiLI lose stats?
14:04.26NAiLThat's unfair!
14:04.28NAiL:)
14:04.30ka6soxresubmit it!
14:04.39ka6soxjust bump the rev number
14:04.51NAiLCan't bump the rev since I removed the file :P
14:05.31ka6soxah...oh well...lowers your stats by .0003%
14:05.52rwhitbyNAiL: it's not as if you had a chance anyway ....
14:06.02kolla_wee, screen now works? :)
14:06.13NAiLkolla_: Works for me (TM)
14:06.23kolla_nice, finally
14:06.49NAiLnow, nobody had done irssi?
14:07.14ka6soxI thought that jbowler had it running. (or maybe that was dyoung)
14:07.19kolla_I'll do pine
14:08.09kolla_with ldap/ssl/chappa/..-patches
14:08.21rwhitbyok, copying my monotone database over to the slug, and going to try a make setup ... (oe-symlinks will fail, but that will be fixed by jbowler)
14:09.24NAiLirssi bombs out with bucketload of autoconf errors
14:09.35NAiLwhich is atm something I don't do
14:49.22CIA-803nail 07org.openembedded.nslu2-linux * raf9c8fe6... 10/packages/meta/openslug-packages.bb: Added procps
14:59.34CIA-803rwhitby 07org.nslu2-linux.dev * rceff79b6... 10/openslug/Makefile: Changed 'source' to '.' in the OpenSlug makefile
15:01.53rwhitbyHmm - we forgot to add python to openslug-native :-)
15:08.40DaKa2uhm, right.. and thats fun.. I guess python* doesn't work as a dependency :)
15:14.29CIA-803rwhitby 07org.openembedded.nslu2-linux * ra1fa598b... 10/packages/meta/openslug-native.bb: Added python to openslug-native
15:14.31CIA-803rwhitby 07org.openembedded.nslu2-linux * rb6cba454... 10/packages/meta/openslug-native.bb: Added more python packages to openslug-native
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16:39.33jbowler-awayI've got a freshly synced monotone head and an failure in the compilation of 'man':
16:39.35jbowler-away| In file included from /home/work-tmp/jbowler/nslu2/openslug/staging/armeb-linux/include/stdlib.h:436,
16:39.36jbowler-away|                  from man-config.c:24:
16:39.38jbowler-away| /home/work-tmp/jbowler/nslu2/openslug/staging/armeb-linux/include/sys/types.h:67: error: redefinition of typedef '__uid_t'
16:39.41jbowler-away| /home/work-tmp/jbowler/nslu2/openslug/staging/armeb-linux/include/bits/types.h:138: error: previous declaration of '__uid_t' was here
16:41.25NAiL[g2]: ping?
16:41.34[g2]NAiL, pong!
16:41.58NAiLdo you know if that export TZ thingy works with uclibc as well?
16:42.04[g2]think so
16:42.11[g2]that's where I found it
16:42.19jbowler-awayI thought it only worked with uclibc...
16:42.38jbowler-awayIf it works with glibc too then it's a fine fix for the time problem.
16:42.38[g2]heh... definitely works for glibc
16:42.55CIA-803mkoster1605 * 10unslung/ (Makefile make/perl-date-manip.mk): Added Perl Date::Manip
16:43.08jbowler-away[g2]: what setting works with glibc?  (I.e. what do you set it to)
16:43.11NAiLyeah
16:43.30[g2]export TZ=EST5EDT4
16:43.42[g2]it may be a busybox thing
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16:44.00NAiLhmm
16:44.02[g2]hey.... look what the cat drug in :).....
16:44.03jbowler-awayOk, lets see if my uclibc system works (I had a repeat of the Maxtor disk problem)
16:44.16[g2]perlguru, hello
16:44.17NAiLiirc my setting is something like CET-1CEST-2
16:44.21perlgurujp30-work: just added perl-date-manip, please test
16:44.25perlguru[g2]: hi
16:45.05jbowler-awayNAiL: works with uclibc too
16:45.10NAiLjbowler-away: brilliant
16:45.26NAiLThen hopefully that fixes that openntpd issue as well
16:45.35jbowler-awaySo the fix for that bug is simply to put the export into /etc/profile, or something like that.
16:45.43NAiLyeah
16:45.54jbowler-awayWhat's the openntpd issue?
16:46.09NAiLIt can't find /etc/localtime, so it goes GMT
16:46.14NAiLor UTC
16:46.33jbowler-awayWhy does it care though?  the timezone is a UI thing.
16:46.37NAiLBut it might be checking the TZ variable, can't remember from the strace stuff I did
16:46.41[g2]jbowler-away, do you know what this is ? x1205_sync_rtc exit (failed to get date)
16:46.57jbowler-away[g2]: is your system loaded (lots of usb activity?)
16:47.08[g2]often
16:47.20[g2]building native is pretty busy
16:47.33NAiLIs the TZ variable documented anywhere?
16:47.35jbowler-awayIt happens to me when the system is loaded.  I suspect the I2C for the clock gets interrupted while reading the date.
16:48.22[g2]is there a way to turn off the rtc via proc ?
16:48.30[g2]as I'm running NTP
16:49.24jbowler-awayIt's ntpd which is calling it.
16:49.54jbowler-awayThere may be an option to stop it setting the RTC - since the setting also happens in shutdown it only matters if the system crashes.
16:51.08jbowler-awayBut I think the architecture means that the actual RTC setting happens as a result of adjusting the time on the kernel - so it may be out of ntpd's control.
16:52.35jbowler-awayWhat is this man/src/Makefile: Makefile:DEFS =  -DUSG -Duid_t=__uid_t -Dgid_t=__uid_t -DALLOCA_MISSING -DNONLS -DNOGETOPT -DDO_COMPRESS
16:52.38jbowler-away???
16:53.02jbowler-away(That's the cause of the build failure I'm seeing)
16:53.47NAiLI don't get why it's failing on your end but... if those are removed, does it compile?
16:54.14[g2]I'd guess uClibc versus glibc
16:54.25NAiLoh
16:54.28jbowler-awayThis is an openslug (glibc) build
16:54.39jbowler-awayThe problem is these lines in configure:
16:54.47NAiLThat is strange. It works just fine here.
16:54.50jbowler-awayecho checking whether sys/types.h defines uid_t
16:54.50jbowler-awayecho '#include <sys/types.h>
16:54.50jbowler-awaymain() { uid_t x; exit(0); }' > conftest.c
16:55.02[g2]I built a few hours ago an it was fine
16:55.58[g2]perlguru, I'm looking for a perl guru :)
16:56.48[g2]I'd like to ask you some questions about perl depoyment
16:56.59jbowler-away[g2]: I suspect it is checking the build system not the target system.  It doesn't seem to have any cross-compile support.
16:58.05[g2]jbowler-away, that'd be a problem but OE insulates from most of that unless the .bb is really borked
16:59.59NAiLthe .bb looks ok by me
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17:04.55jbowler-awayLook at the configure script it runs: how can line 1330 possibly work?
17:05.53NAiLingeba-toandfrom: Just sent you mail
17:06.12ingeba-toandfromNAiL: Thanks :-)
17:06.18NAiLnp
17:06.36NAiLöh.. the tarball isn't finished uploading yet
17:06.40NAiLnow it was :)
17:07.30ingeba-toandfrom:-)
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17:33.49perlguru[g2], what's up....
17:33.57perlguruor down...
17:34.11[g2]hey perlguru
17:34.28[g2]we've build perl natively which passees all the tests
17:34.40perlgurugreat...
17:35.17[g2]and we were wondering about static or dynamic and grouping packages as there's something like 800+ modules
17:35.27[g2]I've run cpan and it works
17:35.54perlgurucpan works. but it is slow....
17:36.14perlguruwell starting up is slow. (for me at least)
17:36.18[g2]well I'm on a fatturbo so it didn't seem too bad
17:36.44perlguruat one time, it took 1 hour just to start it up....
17:36.58[g2]it starts in seconds
17:37.20perlgurummm. i guess i doing something wrong.....
17:39.31perlgurutry: m Date::Manip
17:39.37perlguruon the cpan prompt
17:40.05[g2]I did a install Bundle::readline the other day
17:41.04[g2]m Date::Manip
17:41.04[g2]CPAN: Storable loaded ok
17:41.04[g2]LWP not available
17:41.04[g2]CPAN: Net::FTP loaded ok
17:41.04[g2]Fetching with Net::FTP:
17:41.04[g2]<PROTECTED>
17:41.06[g2]Going to read /root/.cpan/sources/authors/01mailrc.txt.gz      
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17:43.31perlguru[g2], still busy, right?
17:43.39[g2]nope all done
17:43.55perlgurumine is still busy
17:44.14[g2]the openslug-native compile  didn't fix the busybox links for gzip right but it finished
17:44.22perlguruDatabase was generated on Mon, 25 Jul 2005 07:19:40 GMT
17:44.25[g2]openslug-native package
17:44.29perlgurustill busy...
17:46.59[g2]Ok... gzip isn't there for me (but will be in a minute or two)
17:47.05[g2]but it works fine
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18:08.07[g2]perlguru, gzip repo's are happy right now :(
18:08.20[g2]but this has worked before
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18:29.57CIA-803jbowler 07org.openembedded.nslu2-linux * r054c1e56... 10/packages/man/man_1.5p.bb:
18:29.58CIA-8Fix the build - under some circumstances the do_install step will end up
18:29.58CIA-8building stuff because of make timestamps (only on build systems with
18:29.58CIA-8nano-second timestamps). Fix by passing the install command the compile
18:29.58CIA-8command DEFS.
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18:47.53CIA-803mkoster1605 * 10unslung/make/perl-date-manip.mk: Removed a stage dependancy which wasn't needed
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18:59.49ingeba-toandfromjbowler-away: Wow - can you explain how this thing with do_install can happen?
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19:26.52jbowler-awayingeba-toandfrom: I believe something somewhere is truncating the time stamps to 1s, so objects appear out of date and are rebuilt.
19:27.21ingeba-toandfromjbowler-away: Add "sleep 1"?
19:28.08jbowler-awayWhat did works fine - it takes less than a second to rebuild the relevant modules.
19:28.20ingeba-toandfromAnd this goes for all modules where nothing is to be done for compile?
19:28.27ingeba-toandfroms/modules/packages/
19:28.54jbowler-awayNo, only those where a machine generated .c file exists
19:29.10ingeba-toandfromOk - thanks :-)
19:29.21jbowler-awayI suspect ccache manages to lose the fractions of a second when it copies the file.
19:29.42jbowler-away(the gcc output file)
19:30.56jbowler-awayOh, and it's only noticeable if the do_install step redoes the make and doesn't have the same flags as the do_compile step.
19:32.30ingeba-toandfromWill it ever have the same flags (iow. will the standard flags be passed to install by default)?
19:33.08jbowler-awayThe default is to pass nothing on the command line and the environment is always the same.
19:33.46jbowler-awayIn fact I think EXTRA_OEMAKE gets handled in oe_runmake so that gets passed to both as well.
19:37.43ingeba-toandfromSo you must override it in a way where it is not put in the environment?
19:38.15ingeba-toandfromI get it - not likely to happen often.
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20:11.23ingebarwhitby-asleep: Berlios is down - now also on oe-symlinks. Any progress on finding alternatives for SVN oe-symlinks?
20:11.56jbowler-awayI'm working on that.
20:12.46ingebaGood.
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20:29.06_Moriartyturboslug?
20:32.11ingebaBOfH: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/OverClockTheSlug
20:32.48ingebaBOfH: Or rather more correctly: HowTo/NotUnderClockThe Slug
20:38.29jp30-worki think the folks at linksys must have a shortage of nail clippers - thats why they underclocked the slug in the first place :)
20:38.56jp30-work...nothing to get those dratted resistors off with
20:42.37ingebajp30-work: Some person made a mistake and was to embarrased to tell anyone. He almost pulled it off :-)
20:48.33ka6sox-officejp30-work, use any kind of scissors to remove the resistor...you can just crush it.
20:52.31copperbeechit is very small... it look so big in the picture
20:54.05jp30-workbut scissors are not nearly as easy as nail clippers :) lucky I have two sizes of nail clipper, too - the smaller size was ideal
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20:54.51jp30-workcopperbeech, this is where myopia comes in handy
20:56.15copperbeechyeah - not joking!
20:56.55copperbeechI'm juggling data round some hard drives in order to free one up to put unslung 5 on...
21:00.50jp30-workcan always use a flash key - i have one slug running a harddrive, and two on 1gig flash keys - "quietest web server in the west"
21:02.16copperbeechthe only flash disk I have is 64Mb - not really enough for a web server :-P
21:05.23copperbeechwant to install apache - I always wanted to get appWeb 2.0 working with PHP - but simply dont have time for the project and need to get a webserver up and running.
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21:10.50gmcchi!
21:11.02ka6sox-officelo
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21:11.30gmccdoes ne1 know how to get an image of the NSLU2 file system.
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22:29.56rwhitbyjbowler-away: "uCSlug" ?
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22:39.32jbowler-awayrwhitby: I figure the letters n-s-l-u should occur in sequence in the name...
22:43.14rwhitbyminSlug?
22:44.28jbowler-awayYes, that was the best one I've seen so far, though it would be nice to have something which suggests uclibc
22:45.00rwhitbyuMinSlug
22:45.22ka6sox-officeI like uCSlug best
22:45.51jbowler-awayit sort of sounds like something from Santa Cruz...
22:46.06ka6sox-officeno...that is Banana
22:46.31ka6sox-officeI  had a girlfriend that went to UCSC
22:47.23ka6sox-officeuCnSlug
22:47.39ka6sox-officeuCLibc n' Slug
22:48.05jbowler-awayuclibcopenslug, yuk
22:51.58ka6sox-officeucnslug
22:53.02ka6sox-officeucopenslug
22:57.57rwhitbysmallnopenslug
22:58.49kolla_µslug
23:00.57kolla_my experiences with uclibc has not been too good though

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