| 00:13.01 | BOfH | Anyone here? I have a really stupid question, that I'm having trouble with |
| 00:13.22 | rwhitby-away | is it a development question or an end-user question? |
| 00:13.45 | BOfH | end-luser |
| 00:13.59 | rwhitby-away | Meet you in #nslu2-general then |
| 00:21.13 | jp30 | victory! i have a working qemu-i386 |
| 00:21.28 | jp30 | (hosted on unslung) |
| 00:21.52 | jp30 | (working = "it will run ls") |
| 00:21.52 | rwhitby-away | so you're emulating an i386 on Unslung? |
| 00:21.57 | jp30 | yeah |
| 00:22.05 | rwhitby-away | can you run MAME ? |
| 00:22.42 | rwhitby-away | (sorry, but that's always the first thing to test a new emulator isn't it :-) |
| 00:23.20 | jp30 | haven't tried anything more advanced than basic unix commands yet. it looks as though qemu exposes bugs in the unslung firmware and in gcc |
| 00:23.31 | jp30 | ...so it has been a long road to get that far |
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| 00:24.30 | rwhitby-away | jp30: do you have any candidates in mind for the Unslung release manager job? |
| 00:25.15 | rwhitby-away | (since you and jf are now the leading Unslung developers ....) |
| 00:25.57 | jp30 | erm... no. is bob_tm interested? |
| 00:27.18 | CIA-8 | 03jp30 * 10unslung/ (make/qemu.mk sources/qemu/no-schedule.patch): tweak gcc code to build qemu correctly |
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| 00:41.34 | rwhitby-away | ingeba-zzz (bob_tm) is happy to do some patches for new modules, but doesn't have the time to be the release manager |
| 00:44.16 | dyoung-web | bbl |
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| 01:28.54 | snax | I'm thinking about picking up a slug and building my own arm linux system from scratch for it (which I already know how to do), and I'm wondering if it's possible to get into a shell on the device with more recent firmware without having to add a serial port or any other hardware mod |
| 01:29.08 | snax | stock firmware, that is |
| 01:29.16 | rwhitby-away | snax: have you read about OpenSlug ? |
| 01:29.19 | snax | from what I've read, it was possible with older versions to get telnet |
| 01:29.26 | snax | yeah |
| 01:29.57 | rwhitby-away | that will give you a standard linux kernel |
| 01:30.15 | snax | building the system isn't a problem |
| 01:30.32 | snax | I'm wondering what the best way to "hack" into the device is |
| 01:30.34 | rwhitby-away | recent stock firmware (r29 or later) has removed telnetd, so you need either Unslung or OpenSlug to get a shell |
| 01:30.54 | snax | ok |
| 01:30.56 | rwhitby-away | best way to hack in is just to install Unslung or OpenSlug. But we're biased here :-) |
| 01:31.14 | snax | so, it's just a firmware image? |
| 01:31.44 | rwhitby-away | yep. and you can build your own firmware easily too ... |
| 01:31.59 | snax | if I can get into redboot so I can eventually dump my own kernel into flash, that would be enough |
| 01:32.19 | rwhitby-away | mkdir -p /home/slug ; cd /home/slug ; wget www.nslu2-linux.org/Makefile ; make setup ; make openslug |
| 01:32.52 | rwhitby-away | you can telnet into redboot if you get the timing right. I've never done it myself, but lots of people do it. |
| 01:33.11 | snax | telnet into redboot, hmmm |
| 01:33.17 | rwhitby-away | Can I ask why you want to roll your own firmware? Does OpenSlug not do what you need, or is it for educational purposes (doing it yourself) ? |
| 01:33.28 | snax | educational |
| 01:34.05 | rwhitby-away | I would suggest starting with building OpenSlug from scratch, and then creating your own OE distro where you can build up your own kernel and rootfs in a nice build environment. |
| 01:34.47 | rwhitby-away | So you would have a snaxslug.conf in OpenEmbedded which used that build environment to get exactly the kernel and rootfs on the slug that you wanted. |
| 01:37.02 | snax | I'm running gentoo on my pc, and I've actually got the gentoo ports system, portage, to cross compile a working arm system |
| 01:37.21 | rwhitby-away | snax: you want to talk to kolla_ then - he's getting gentoo running on the slug |
| 01:37.37 | snax | I snarfed a few patches from openslug to get NPE ethernet working :) |
| 01:39.15 | snax | does the unslung/openslug firmware runs big endian or little endian? |
| 01:39.20 | snax | *run |
| 01:40.04 | jbowler | big |
| 01:40.17 | snax | good |
| 01:40.42 | snax | for some reason both Debian for ARM and the pre-built Gentoo ARM stages run little endian |
| 01:47.01 | NAiL | might have some relation to x86 endianness. Not all apps handle endianness properly. |
| 01:47.32 | jbowler | Debian only supports LE. gentoo BE was incomplete/under development a while (~3 months) back. |
| 01:50.07 | snax | a lot of linux software does not cross compile very gracefully |
| 01:50.36 | snax | python and perl in particular are painful |
| 01:51.06 | snax | Linux-PAM cross compiles ok but then tries to link with x86 gcc and chokes |
| 01:53.27 | snax | if I had time, I'd go through every system gentoo ebuild and hack them up to cross compile for arm properly, but that's quite a few packages... |
| 01:54.55 | snax | native compiles take a LOOONG time though |
| 01:55.38 | [g2] | snax, it's really not that bad |
| 01:56.38 | [g2] | it's about 30 minutes to install the native tools and in 2/2.5 hours perl is fully built and all nearly 900 tests pass |
| 01:57.18 | jbowler | Linux-PAM is fixed on openslug. |
| 01:57.21 | [g2] | it's 100% test completion but something like 898 tests |
| 02:02.44 | BOfH | On openslug, how full does the internal flash have to be before the device won't boot? |
| 02:03.47 | rwhitby-away | ipkg update will usually fill the flash if you run ipkg before booting from an external disk. |
| 02:04.26 | jbowler | If it gets to 95% don't reboot. |
| 02:04.29 | rwhitby-away | In Unslung, we explicitly prevent users from doing that. In OpenSlug, it's caveat emptor :-) |
| 02:04.45 | BOfH | jbowler: good. so 93% is fine? |
| 02:05.10 | jbowler | Ah, well, I didn't say that, I said 95% is bad. |
| 02:05.13 | CIA-8 | 03jp30 * 10unslung/sources/qemu/arm-timer.patch: qemu: add a non-trivial timer patch |
| 02:05.37 | jbowler | Try it, be prepared to upslug. Alternatively remove /boot/zImage* |
| 02:06.59 | BOfH | Er, isn't that the kernel? (unless I'm mistaken) |
| 02:07.41 | jbowler | Yes. It isn't used. |
| 02:07.53 | jbowler | (Unless you use APEX to boot). |
| 02:08.49 | BOfH | No, I'm on RedBoot |
| 02:11.06 | jbowler | Then you can delete it. The kernel is in the flash - the file system /boot/zImage is just a copy. |
| 02:13.14 | BOfH | /boot/zImage-2.6.11.2 can go as well? |
| 02:13.19 | [g2] | actually I think you'll want to remove that hoe |
| 02:13.22 | BOfH | zImage symlinks to that |
| 02:13.23 | [g2] | one |
| 02:13.35 | [g2] | pazactly |
| 02:18.46 | snax | is there some special driver necessary to use the rtc on the ixp425 board? |
| 02:20.14 | rwhitby-away | snax: it's all in the OpenEmbedded repo ... |
| 02:20.27 | rwhitby-away | look at the openslug-kernel |
| 02:28.09 | snax | where can I browse the repo? |
| 02:29.25 | rwhitby-away | mkdir -p /home/slug ; cd /home/slug ; wget www.nslu2-linux.org/Makefile ; make setup ; cd openembedded |
| 02:30.00 | rwhitby-away | or http://monotone.vanille.de/viewmtn/ |
| 02:34.57 | rwhitby-away | or http://svn.berlios.de/wsvn/openslug/releases/OpenSlug-2.3-beta/openembedded/?rev=0&sc=0 |
| 02:42.26 | snax | ok, looks like it needs x1226 rtc |
| 02:42.34 | snax | now to figure out which patch provides that... |
| 02:42.49 | snax | I don't see it in stock kernel anywhere |
| 02:43.51 | rwhitby-away | snax: really, the easiest thing to do would be to build openslug, and then you can watch what patches are applied ... |
| 02:44.16 | rwhitby-away | all that stuff was done a long time ago here, and most people no longer remember the details .... |
| 02:44.31 | rwhitby-away | and it's not documented anywhere, cause it's all in the build environment |
| 02:45.16 | rwhitby-away | (I'm not trying to discourage you, I'm just giving you the path of least resistance to get the information you need) |
| 02:45.27 | snax | yeah |
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| 02:48.19 | [g2] | snax which board are you building for ? |
| 02:50.50 | snax | I'm currently working with an IXDPG425 board |
| 02:51.00 | snax | reference board from intel |
| 02:51.39 | snax | I think it's pretty close to what's in the slug |
| 02:51.52 | [g2] | very close |
| 02:52.04 | snax | so the rtc chip should be the same, I would imagine |
| 02:52.07 | [g2] | is it your board ? |
| 02:52.12 | jbowler-away | packages/linux/openslug-kernel-2.6.11.2/x1205-rtc.c |
| 02:52.15 | snax | no |
| 02:52.20 | snax | which is why I want a slug |
| 02:52.31 | snax | otherwise I'd just use the board :) |
| 02:52.52 | [g2] | what do you want to do with it ? |
| 02:53.23 | snax | well, I have a nice 80 GB USB drive that isn't doing much right now |
| 02:53.31 | snax | so I figure a file/music server would be nice to have |
| 02:54.22 | [g2] | so you just want a NAS |
| 02:54.24 | snax | also, this is very educational |
| 02:54.36 | [g2] | heh |
| 02:55.00 | [g2] | I'm buildng boards |
| 02:55.20 | [g2] | it'll be a upscale unit |
| 02:55.51 | [g2] | not super upscale, but a nice step up |
| 02:56.32 | [g2] | It really depends on what you want to do and what you price sensitivity is |
| 03:04.16 | snax | yeah |
| 03:04.30 | snax | I had an idea, and in the wiki I found that someone had the same idea as me and got it to work |
| 03:04.45 | snax | USB soundcard/speakers + mpd |
| 03:04.53 | [g2] | heh :) |
| 03:05.06 | [g2] | it's in the openslug-packages already |
| 03:05.06 | snax | mpd is really nice |
| 03:05.58 | [g2] | haven't played with it much |
| 03:06.48 | [g2] | if I got a usb audio device and plugged in my BT adapter, then I could use my mobile phone to control the audio player |
| 03:07.19 | rwhitby-away | [g2]: what's the client on the phone? |
| 03:07.52 | [g2] | well that might be an issue |
| 03:08.29 | [g2] | August is getting close... so maybe I'll have to wait for the 770 :) |
| 03:10.12 | snax | x1205 is it |
| 03:10.27 | snax | alright... |
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| 03:22.47 | snax | ok, patched my kernel, time to recompile... |
| 03:23.07 | snax | if I can get the rtc to work gentoo should be able to finish booting successfully |
| 03:28.32 | [g2] | snax, what's the starting address of RAM in your Redboot ? |
| 03:29.25 | snax | RAM: 0x00000000-0x02000000, 0x0001c238-0x01fd1000 available |
| 03:29.40 | [g2] | thought so :) |
| 03:30.24 | snax | LOADED Xicor x1205 RTC Dvr v0.9.3.3NPW |
| 03:30.24 | snax | Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 0000000c |
| 03:30.30 | snax | delightful |
| 03:31.13 | [g2] | hey you executed 3 instructions |
| 03:31.57 | [g2] | is that after the decompressing kernel ? |
| 03:32.18 | snax | yeah, far after |
| 03:33.02 | [g2] | RAM: 0x10100000-0x20000000, 0x101156a8-0x1ffdd000 available |
| 03:33.38 | snax | odd |
| 03:34.09 | [g2] | not really.. the Expansion bus config is initially pointing low memory to flash |
| 03:35.04 | [g2] | and the Redboot I've got in there is pretty useless |
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| 03:41.21 | rwhitby-away | hey dyoung-web |
| 03:41.33 | rwhitby-away | check the openslug logs for the native feed plans |
| 03:41.38 | snax | ugh, this is annoying |
| 03:42.14 | [g2] | where is the output getting to ? |
| 03:57.05 | snax | if I just compile in Enhanced Real Time Clock Support |
| 03:57.06 | CIA-8 | 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/ (template-cvs.mk template.mk): foo-clean targets should remove builds/foo/.built |
| 03:57.43 | snax | /proc/driver/rtc seems to indicate everything is ok |
| 03:57.55 | snax | but if I cat /dev/rtc I get an input/output error |
| 03:58.10 | snax | and hwclock freezes trying to set or get the hardware time |
| 03:58.19 | snax | what the heck... |
| 03:58.26 | Tiersten | You need the x1205 driver |
| 03:58.41 | Tiersten | The standard kernel doesn't know how to talk to the RTC otherwise |
| 04:00.44 | snax | ok |
| 04:01.08 | snax | with both x1205 and enhanced rtc support compiled in, the kernel boots fine, but I have the same problem |
| 04:01.25 | snax | if I disable enhanced rtc support, the kernel panics after loading the x1205 driver |
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| 04:07.43 | [g2] | did you adjust the GPIO lines ? |
| 04:10.27 | CIA-8 | 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/sdl.mk: initial checkin - libsdl for unslung |
| 04:10.30 | snax | no |
| 04:10.53 | [g2] | they may be different that may be the same |
| 04:19.22 | CIA-8 | 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/sdl.mk: sdl doesn't really need ice |
| 04:32.52 | CIA-8 | 03jp30 * 10unslung/Makefile: promote sdl |
| 04:37.10 | [g2] | nite all |
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| 05:22.20 | CIA-8 | 03jp30 * 10unslung/ (4 files in 2 dirs): qemu tidying, sdl use |
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| 05:55.47 | BOfH` | Anyone here? |
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| 07:14.41 | fontenot | i should have tested my laptop more thoroughly |
| 07:15.01 | fontenot | i don't have my ultra-randomized freenode password on it |
| 07:15.24 | fontenot | nor do I have a working window manager (that I like) |
| 07:20.31 | fontenot | jbot, test |
| 07:20.31 | jbot | Test Failed! |
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| 07:46.26 | kolla_ | snax: gotten to the point where you can catalyze an armeb stage1? |
| 07:46.44 | kolla_ | (if you're still awake, just woke up, reading the buffer :) ) |
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| 08:39.33 | ka6sox | fontenot: ping |
| 08:45.24 | fontenot | ka6sox, hi! |
| 08:46.06 | fontenot | test |
| 08:47.15 | ka6sox | hey there..how are you doing? |
| 08:47.23 | fontenot | at airport |
| 08:47.35 | fontenot | silly shuttle has a 6 hour hole in schedule |
| 08:47.44 | fontenot | so I had to get here about 6 hours before my flight |
| 08:47.48 | ka6sox | OLS? |
| 08:48.15 | fontenot | no, nobody I knew was going so I didn't |
| 08:48.31 | fontenot | going to visit family in OK |
| 08:48.54 | ka6sox | ah...good |
| 08:49.40 | ka6sox | Tirane->Vienna->Kobenhavn->Chicago->LAX...with some of my Luggage visiting Detroit. |
| 08:49.58 | fontenot | ouch :-( |
| 08:50.05 | fontenot | how's the family? |
| 08:50.13 | fontenot | handling the travel OK? |
| 08:50.36 | fontenot | you're going to be flying for two days! |
| 08:50.54 | ka6sox | exhausted...we got out an walked around Vienna...that was about 24hrs ago. |
| 08:51.01 | fontenot | at least PDX has free wifi |
| 08:51.33 | ka6sox | I tried to use the WiFi in København and it didn't work right. |
| 08:51.52 | fontenot | some need to be licked just right |
| 08:52.01 | fontenot | esp with my handhelds |
| 08:52.28 | fontenot | the capture page doesn't always come up - stupid stupid PIE (pocket IE) |
| 08:53.02 | fontenot | on laptop right now |
| 08:54.44 | ka6sox | ah..cool. I'm left coasting it for a while...going to build NuGabe tommorrow. |
| 08:54.52 | ka6sox | (late afternoon) |
| 08:55.14 | fontenot | heh |
| 08:55.22 | fontenot | make sure you get enough sleep |
| 08:55.57 | ka6sox | going down in 10 minutes |
| 08:56.27 | fontenot | hmm? going down where? |
| 08:58.54 | ka6sox | to sleep. |
| 09:00.08 | fontenot | ah, sleep well |
| 09:01.24 | rwhitby | ka6sox: sleep well - everything is going fine here. |
| 09:01.53 | ka6sox | thanks! cya online laters. |
| 09:02.05 | fontenot | `night ka6sox |
| 09:05.53 | ka6sox | safe journey fontenot |
| 09:09.07 | fontenot | thanks ka6sox |
| 09:09.12 | fontenot | you too! |
| 09:09.17 | ka6sox | cya on dialup! |
| 09:09.24 | fontenot | I'm just going down the block compared to you |
| 09:11.49 | dyoung | have fun. |
| 09:12.07 | ka6sox | hiya dyoung...brb |
| 09:12.32 | dyoung | morning. |
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| 09:38.29 | ingeba | Any news on when Berlios will be up? |
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| 10:22.49 | rwhitby | ingeba: no idea what the story is with berlios |
| 10:23.28 | ingeba | Do they have a status page somewhere - I looked but found nothing. Strangly I can browse the SVN repo on the web |
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| 10:26.07 | rwhitby | ingeba: have you registered your "ingeba" nick? |
| 10:26.25 | ingeba | Yes - Tiersten fixed it |
| 10:27.02 | rwhitby | I mean here in IRC - you're not should as authenticated |
| 10:27.36 | ingeba | I need to add it - I forgot. |
| 10:27.42 | ingeba | rwhitby: Is the Ethernet LED controlled in HW or via the kernel? What about he power button? |
| 10:28.05 | rwhitby | ethernet is hardware. power is just a GPIO as far as I know |
| 10:28.36 | rwhitby | but there is another chip connected to the power button to turn everything on |
| 10:29.09 | rwhitby | but turning off is just a GPIO in and then a separate GPIO out which cuts the power |
| 10:30.11 | ingeba | rwhitby: So my kernel is alive if I can turn off, then? |
| 10:30.43 | rwhitby | yes, if the power button causes the power to turn off, then that is a sure sign that the kernel is alive |
| 10:30.58 | rwhitby | and that the power button daemon is running |
| 10:31.11 | rwhitby | bbiab |
| 10:46.37 | ingeba | rwhitby: Should I create a generic package in slugbug called modues for which I am maintainer? |
| 10:46.52 | ingeba | s/modues/"modules"/ |
| 10:47.08 | rwhitby | kernel-modules ? |
| 10:47.14 | ingeba | Yes - good. |
| 10:47.56 | ingeba | ...and announce on the lists so people know how to go about it (that is: registering bugs or asking for modules to be put in the feed). |
| 10:59.28 | CIA-8 | 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.nslu2-linux * rf369ceec... 10/packages/initscripts/initscripts-1.0/ (11 files in 5 dirs): |
| 10:59.28 | CIA-8 | nitscripts: solve the keymap situation in a more generic way to reduce maintenance load |
| 10:59.28 | CIA-8 | the keymap script is now always installed and checks if there is a matching keymap in /etc |
| 10:59.28 | CIA-8 | General note: this package is a bit monolithic, we may eventually come to a more fine granular |
| 10:59.29 | CIA-8 | build solution, e.g. a (build-time) table where distributions can specify which initscripts |
| 10:59.31 | CIA-8 | they want to appear in the final image. |
| 11:00.47 | rwhitby | ingeba: so you're officially now the Unslung kernel maintainer? (not release manager) |
| 11:00.58 | ingeba | rwhitby: Yes - it is in slugbug |
| 11:01.17 | rwhitby | excellent. thanks for taking on that role |
| 11:01.31 | ingeba | rwhitby: np - it will be interesting. |
| 11:03.16 | ingeba | rwhitby: I've started the nick name transition from bob_tm to ingeba (due to gmail) and so far it is in slugbug, irc and monotone. Can it be done smoothly in CVS too? |
| 11:03.56 | rwhitby | ingeba: create a new sf.net account, and I will add it |
| 11:04.24 | rwhitby | bob_tm will remain in the history, but you can do new stuff as ingeba |
| 11:04.36 | ingeba | I know - that's ok |
| 11:04.53 | rwhitby | let me know when it's ready |
| 11:05.21 | ingeba | rwhitby: Don't have - it is already ingeba. |
| 11:05.29 | ingeba | Sorry (blush) |
| 11:05.47 | rwhitby | that was easy :-) |
| 11:07.04 | ingeba | :-) |
| 11:16.23 | dyoung | If anyone in the US needs a USB/Serial cable, I've identified another "closeout" cable that should work. Part number 170-0786 Data Cable for Sanyo 6200,6400; closeout price $9.97 . |
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| 11:24.19 | ingeba | dyoung: Arghh... US only :-( |
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| 11:26.10 | gilesw | oh wowzer |
| 11:26.12 | gilesw | full |
| 11:26.19 | gilesw | i'm just about to buy a nslu2 |
| 11:26.39 | gilesw | i just need to find a 300gig hd that will let me set the spindown time |
| 11:26.59 | gilesw | if i set hdparm -S on my linux machine will the setting stick? |
| 11:27.11 | gilesw | vitally important to me that the hd spinsdown |
| 11:28.52 | ingeba | gilesw: Nope - you need one with a USB controller that has support for it |
| 11:29.36 | ingeba | gilesw: Check the yahoo archives and the wiki for drives that support spin down on the NSLU2 |
| 11:29.49 | ingeba | gilesw: Think Maxtor does it at least, but check |
| 11:31.32 | rwhitby | and realise that if you load the rootfs from that drive, then it may not spin down cause it may be continually accessed |
| 11:32.15 | gilesw | cheers guys! |
| 11:32.19 | ingeba | Maybe a USB stick and Maxtor combo is a good idea, keeping the infrequently accessed stuff on the Maxtor. |
| 11:32.32 | gilesw | yep thats what i was planning |
| 11:32.41 | gilesw | enclose i'm looking at is a vantec nextar |
| 11:32.46 | gilesw | it doesn't have any fans |
| 11:32.58 | ingeba | gilesw: Nope - you must use the maxtor enclosure |
| 11:33.01 | gilesw | hd will just have movies and music on |
| 11:33.05 | ingeba | That's what makes it spin down |
| 11:33.07 | gilesw | oh |
| 11:33.12 | ingeba | Yes, we know |
| 11:33.22 | gilesw | thats a bummer |
| 11:33.33 | gilesw | it's well expensive |
| 11:33.36 | ingeba | It is - it is a USB/IDE thingy. Same for all |
| 11:33.44 | gilesw | are they any good? |
| 11:33.53 | ingeba | gilesw: The Maxtors have gone down in price |
| 11:33.57 | rwhitby | well, they spin down properly :- |
| 11:34.01 | rwhitby | :-) |
| 11:34.07 | ingeba | Oh, I hate them - they're crap in my view |
| 11:34.08 | gilesw | that is essential.. |
| 11:34.25 | gilesw | the wiki says hitachi disks have a feature tool to set spindown |
| 11:34.28 | ingeba | Have two of them - sorry, _had_ two of them - only one works now, the other is noisy. |
| 11:34.32 | gilesw | so i could put that in a vantec |
| 11:34.44 | gilesw | you're really selling this well lol |
| 11:34.47 | ingeba | Note that none were the pre-enclosed type, just plain maxtors |
| 11:34.58 | ingeba | gilesw: Life is hard :-) |
| 11:35.11 | gilesw | i'm confused now, maxtor on it's own won't spindown |
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| 11:35.15 | rwhitby | gilesw: I have a vantec enclosure. but I don't worry about spin down cause I can't hear the 80Gb samsung disk in it. |
| 11:35.19 | gilesw | but in a onetouch it will |
| 11:35.37 | gilesw | i'm more worried about dataloss |
| 11:35.41 | ingeba | Nope, but they are still maxtors - I haven't any onetouch drives, but the disks inside them are the same as mine |
| 11:35.59 | gilesw | so you're drives never spindown? |
| 11:36.10 | ingeba | I think there are others besides OneTouch that work - also: Don't take too much notice of my views. They are based on a very small sample of Maxtor drives |
| 11:36.12 | ingeba | Nope |
| 11:36.25 | ingeba | But, they are accessed 24:7 anyway |
| 11:36.32 | gilesw | k |
| 11:37.08 | ingeba | When it comes to judging brands, it is often more religion than emprics :-) |
| 11:37.42 | rwhitby | I just happened to have the samsung disk spare, and I liked the look of the vantec enclosure (it looks a bit like a slug) |
| 11:38.01 | rwhitby | gilesw: http://nslu2-linux.thestuffguy.com/gallery/slug-central |
| 11:39.45 | ingeba | Samsungs are my favorite drives |
| 11:39.54 | gilesw | i hope i won't miss my full blown linux server.. |
| 11:40.00 | ingeba | So quiet...... |
| 11:40.01 | gilesw | this thing will use a lot less power though |
| 11:40.14 | gilesw | *puts on green hat |
| 11:40.15 | rwhitby | gilesw: a slug is a full blown linux server ... ;-) |
| 11:40.25 | gilesw | well here's hoping |
| 11:40.34 | rwhitby | what do you want to run on it? |
| 11:40.38 | gilesw | anyone done that clockspeed double solder? |
| 11:40.44 | ingeba | Yep |
| 11:40.49 | gilesw | webserver would be nice for a bit of dev.. |
| 11:41.04 | gilesw | coolio |
| 11:41.11 | gilesw | does it make a difference? |
| 11:41.18 | rwhitby | gilesw: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nslu2-linux/database?method=reportRows&tbl=11 |
| 11:41.19 | dyoung | gilesw, youre talking with some of the folk that made that speed upgrade possible. |
| 11:41.21 | gilesw | i might need a new sd iron |
| 11:41.33 | gilesw | superb |
| 11:41.39 | rwhitby | nail clippers work just as well :-) |
| 11:43.45 | gilesw | oh! |
| 11:51.25 | gilesw | hrm looks like hitachi feature tool can just set low idle rpm |
| 11:53.26 | gilesw | is it possible to play a dvd off a slug hd? |
| 11:53.38 | gilesw | as in is transfer speed quick enough |
| 11:55.49 | ingeba | gilesw: Check out the wiki on performance. |
| 11:58.21 | gilesw | so with samba it's 3.5mb/sec |
| 11:58.31 | gilesw | that's not very quick.. |
| 11:59.54 | rwhitby | DaKa2: that was a good review - you agree? |
| 12:01.29 | gilesw | does upping the clock make a big difference to the speed? |
| 12:01.35 | DaKa2 | rwhitby: yep, need to fix what they said, add the three missing packages, and probably talk to them again |
| 12:01.49 | DaKa2 | what was the conclusion on the tar.tar thing? |
| 12:02.06 | rwhitby | I'd say tar.tar |
| 12:03.45 | DaKa2 | ok |
| 12:05.47 | ingeba | gilesw: It is all on the wiki |
| 12:06.05 | gilesw | do drives larger than 250gig cause freezing problems with the slug? |
| 12:07.16 | gilesw | ingeba the wiki shows raw hd reads impoved but it doesn't give a samba benchmark thats all |
| 12:07.52 | ingeba | gilesw: That's the best we have - guess would be 10-15% improvement overall |
| 12:08.23 | ingeba | For these use questions you should go to #nslu2-general |
| 12:08.34 | gilesw | ahh sorry |
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| 12:09.00 | ingeba | np |
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| 12:12.44 | gilesw | measuring it my own linux server is only about 9mb/sec samba so it's not much different |
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| 12:35.17 | rwhitby-asleep | http://lists.debian.org/debian-qa/1999/04/msg00128.html <- scsi-spin code |
| 12:39.17 | dyoung-zzzz | jacques and tiersten tested the sg call to spindown. |
| 12:39.20 | dyoung-zzzz | it didnt work. |
| 12:46.22 | DaKa2 | scarry.. my first commit... lets see if I break the entire monotone :-) |
| 12:52.09 | DaKa2 | hm.. CIA broken? |
| 12:52.30 | kolla_ | and FBI too |
| 12:53.02 | DaKa2 | only MI-5 and SÄPO still working.. |
| 12:59.29 | dyoung-zzzz | the ciabot is broke. too tired to fix. DaKa2 your change is my current head. Not to worry. |
| 13:00.41 | DaKa2 | :) |
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| 13:56.48 | macsat | hi |
| 13:59.17 | [g2] | hi |
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| 14:49.33 | hanjo | has anyone played with nfs3+tcp or nfs4 on the slugs? |
| 14:51.29 | hanjo | it looks like busybox mount can not handle nfs4. Is this correct? |
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| 15:22.39 | BOfH | ipkg.nslu2-linux.org down? |
| 15:22.45 | BOfH | I keep getting a connection timeout here |
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| 15:27.57 | ingeba-toandfrom | BOfH: Nope - works for me |
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| 18:25.32 | mathieu__ | Hi |
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| 18:42.23 | NamShubX | will any IDE-USB2 enclosure work with my device? |
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| 18:55.14 | NamShubX | nevermind I found the yahoo list :D |
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| 19:52.09 | CIA-8 | 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/ (ice.mk sm.mk xt.mk xaw.mk): ice must stage x11; bring some other x11 packages up to date with best practices for building |
| 20:15.30 | senneth | Hehe, I've ordered 5 mcp120 samples today, for free of course :) |
| 20:33.39 | [cc]smart | NAiL, jbowler: quite possibly i really will have to modify populate-volatile again to to read the directory configuration from several, drop in style files, to allow for added configurations per package. |
| 20:34.20 | [cc]smart | in this case, a method is required to define the order in which these configurations would have to get applied |
| 20:35.01 | [cc]smart | for now i'm thinking of sth. like rcx.d directories, preceding these configs with numbers. should they be linked from somewhere for that ? |
| 20:35.26 | [cc]smart | second, a system will really be needed to predefine system user accounts and IDs |
| 20:36.29 | [cc]smart | the question is open what that would be, but i'd think that a file in monotone, pre baking should define all of them, and packages to be built can draw from this and read their configuration out of that. |
| 20:36.35 | [cc]smart | what's your thoughts ? |
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| 22:51.55 | jbowler | [cc]smart: /etc/udhcpc.d/... (sp?) prepends two digits to control order. Files should be fine - /etc/rc?.d only uses links because there are multiple run levels. |
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| 23:42.30 | rwhitby | jbowler, [cc]smart: agreed - the simple S<NN>foo scheme is what we use in Unslung startup scripts too |
| 23:47.20 | jbowler | udhcpc and, I think, hotplug just use <NN>foo (no S - because there is no need for an S/K distinction.) |
| 23:48.02 | rwhitby | sounds good to me |
| 23:48.42 | rwhitby | meanwhile, I've got an initscripts merge waiting for me :-) |
| 23:50.49 | rwhitby | jbowler: are you able to propagate from oe at the moment? |