| 00:00.08 | [g2] | to me that's bs |
| 00:00.11 | CHAOSiTEC | so its only oe probs lol |
| 00:00.27 | [g2] | or just wishful thinking about the 64 bit platform |
| 00:00.56 | [g2] | I tried running gentoo amd64 a month or two ago and it was still very green to me |
| 00:01.03 | CHAOSiTEC | let me refrase it then, i dont have any problems on my current system )not mentioning oe) |
| 00:01.10 | [g2] | example.. there was no 2005.0 livecd |
| 00:02.15 | [g2] | I've been a daily user of gentoo for over 2 years |
| 00:02.23 | [g2] | actually, 2.5 years |
| 00:02.34 | CHAOSiTEC | paorx same timeframe for me ;-) |
| 00:02.46 | CHAOSiTEC | aprox even |
| 00:04.24 | CHAOSiTEC | but to be honest, i dont think gentoo was the reason for it |
| 00:04.51 | [g2] | ok.. so what's your error after 1 hour |
| 00:05.03 | CHAOSiTEC | looking.. one sec.. |
| 00:05.23 | [g2] | there are several of us here running gentoo as a dev system (me, jacques jacques NAiL ....) |
| 00:05.29 | [g2] | so clearly it works on gentoo |
| 00:06.06 | CHAOSiTEC | yeah i talked to NAiL about it as well |
| 00:07.42 | CHAOSiTEC | lol, i deleted the log file when i deleted the slug dir |
| 00:07.55 | [g2] | AND it builds fine on my knoppix bases amd64 nforce4 ultra |
| 00:08.16 | [g2] | it's a journey right :) |
| 00:08.48 | CHAOSiTEC | thats also why i figured i would try again, from scratch, so i deleted all and followed the stepbystep, |
| 00:09.27 | CHAOSiTEC | lol, yeah its a journey... my aim was to add lvm2 support for my slug, lol, my new aim currently is more basic .. lol |
| 00:09.30 | [g2] | that's a good plan |
| 00:09.48 | [g2] | reality is a good teacher |
| 00:10.04 | CHAOSiTEC | yeah, each day, you learn something new |
| 00:10.12 | [g2] | I was gonna have gentoo running on the slug 10-11 months ago :) |
| 00:10.39 | CHAOSiTEC | i read that somewhere..lol |
| 00:11.18 | CHAOSiTEC | but i guess you either hit a wall, or found oe |
| 00:11.24 | CHAOSiTEC | (or both) |
| 00:12.29 | [g2] | I've got tremendous respect for solar and vaiper but oe is way ahead of gentoo-embedded in the non-hardened areas |
| 00:12.47 | [g2] | I worked with solar for months on gentoo-embedded |
| 00:13.08 | [g2] | and I'd like to get gentoo-embedded on OpenSlug in the not to distant future |
| 00:13.27 | CHAOSiTEC | how far have they come by now? (never realized there was an gentoo-embedded) |
| 00:13.28 | [g2] | it's really pretty ready to go |
| 00:13.49 | [g2] | they've come a very long way |
| 00:14.01 | [g2] | the past several months have been very good for them |
| 00:14.13 | [g2] | you should definetly check out GNAP |
| 00:14.23 | [g2] | and #gentoo-embedded and the ml |
| 00:14.27 | CHAOSiTEC | sounds like its time for consideration in regards to gentoo-embedded this year (i am thinking of getting a second slug, might be a good move |
| 00:15.44 | [g2] | I think in the next several weeks it's be pretty straight forward to setup gentoo on OpenSlug |
| 00:16.01 | [g2] | I think the timing for that is very good right now |
| 00:16.36 | [g2] | can you follow me to #gentoo-embedded ? |
| 00:16.38 | CHAOSiTEC | seems to me that im def. getting me a second slug |
| 00:17.09 | CHAOSiTEC | (i want the first one just to act as fileserver with lvm on several discs and backup of same |
| 00:17.48 | CHAOSiTEC | actually, nslu2-linux.org was the reason i bought the first one |
| 00:17.58 | [g2] | cool |
| 00:18.16 | [g2] | I think the communities are more similar than not |
| 00:18.28 | CHAOSiTEC | yeah |
| 00:18.36 | [g2] | are you coming to #gentoo-embedded ? |
| 00:18.56 | CHAOSiTEC | yup |
| 02:22.40 | eno | any1 knows whether wiley is big-endian or little? |
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| 02:39.17 | ka6sox | eno: did you get your question answered? |
| 02:39.56 | ka6sox | Wiley is LE |
| 02:49.22 | eno | thx ka6sox |
| 02:49.52 | ka6sox | np...good nite...waay too late here. |
| 02:53.53 | eno | there was an endian problem for cross compiled crypto++ which monotone uses, i just solved the problem. And i just did a "monotone db init" successfully on slug |
| 02:55.11 | ka6sox | sweet. |
| 02:55.39 | CIA-8 | 03bzhou * 10unslung/make/monotone.mk: corrected crypto++ endian cross compilation problem |
| 03:25.48 | CIA-8 | 03bzhou * 10unslung/Makefile: monotone ready for cross testing |
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| 04:39.24 | peteru-home | trying to build gives monotone errors: |
| 04:39.28 | peteru-home | monotone: [source] ae6fbd3f4f93f8e0906759e4400adf3931497034 |
| 04:39.28 | peteru-home | monotone: [source] e0471b414921ae62c648ae5e1fad7517dcef3dea |
| 04:39.28 | peteru-home | monotone: common ancestor fadb32b0ce33197c0da4d7a22499a08a75ba9a89 found |
| 04:39.28 | peteru-home | monotone: trying 3-way merge |
| 04:39.28 | peteru-home | monotone: misuse: no unique private key for cert construction |
| 04:39.52 | peteru-home | this only appeared sometime in the last 30 hours or so. |
| 04:40.40 | peteru-home | any clues as to what this means in terms of fixing the problem? |
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| 07:49.43 | CHAOSiTEC_away | when i do make, it fails at bluez-utils-nodbus |
| 07:57.16 | NAiL | CHAOSiTEC: Did I talk to you about that the other day? |
| 07:57.22 | NAiL | or was that someone else? |
| 07:57.40 | CHAOSiTEC | yeah.. i tried to delete the whole slug dir, and started from scratch |
| 07:57.53 | CHAOSiTEC | but alas it still fails same spot |
| 07:58.04 | CHAOSiTEC | right now, im trying bb bluez-utils-nodbus |
| 07:58.40 | CHAOSiTEC | lol NAiL |
| 08:00.48 | NAiL | Ok, I've just set up a new repo, I'm gonna try building -nodbus from that. |
| 08:01.08 | CHAOSiTEC | ok (atm bb is building binutils here |
| 08:02.05 | NAiL | Exactly how did you set up stuff? |
| 08:02.14 | CHAOSiTEC | howtos stepbysetep |
| 08:03.08 | CHAOSiTEC | then got the makefile, did makefile setup;make |
| 08:03.19 | CHAOSiTEC | lol, not makefile setup, but make setup |
| 08:03.50 | NAiL | uh.. first stepbystep, then the makefile? |
| 08:03.59 | CHAOSiTEC | ya |
| 08:04.17 | NAiL | ie. the http://www.nslu2-linux.org/Makefile ? |
| 08:04.43 | NAiL | Because you don't need both. |
| 08:04.50 | CHAOSiTEC | lol |
| 08:05.02 | CHAOSiTEC | if i dont run the makefile, then bb will fail |
| 08:05.29 | NAiL | You only need to make a directory (/home/nslu2), cd into it, wget http://www.nslu2-linux.org/Makefile, make <target> |
| 08:05.43 | CHAOSiTEC | ok |
| 08:06.08 | CHAOSiTEC | then i really dont need to do the stepbystep thn? |
| 08:06.12 | NAiL | nope |
| 08:06.13 | CHAOSiTEC | then* |
| 08:06.20 | CHAOSiTEC | lol |
| 08:06.58 | CHAOSiTEC | but will it download the whole oe stuff etc? |
| 08:07.22 | NAiL | That'll download everything you need to build |
| 08:07.34 | CHAOSiTEC | and for making new packages? |
| 08:07.34 | NAiL | (except monotone, cvs & svn) |
| 08:07.39 | NAiL | yes |
| 08:07.48 | NAiL | Have you installed monotone? |
| 08:07.57 | NAiL | What distro are you running? |
| 08:07.57 | CHAOSiTEC | ok lol then i suddenly found out what the problem might be lol |
| 08:08.01 | CHAOSiTEC | gentoo |
| 08:08.12 | CHAOSiTEC | yeah monotone is up and running |
| 08:08.29 | NAiL | emerge sync && emerge monotone (and subversion and cvs if you don't have those installed already) |
| 08:08.50 | CHAOSiTEC | i do have subversion and cvs installed as well |
| 08:08.59 | NAiL | ok, then you'll probably just need monotone |
| 08:09.12 | NAiL | It should install "boost", and monotone 0.19 |
| 08:09.14 | CHAOSiTEC | monotone is installed |
| 08:09.18 | NAiL | good |
| 08:09.42 | NAiL | then you just make the dir, wget the makefile, make openslug-firmware (IIRC) and then you're set. |
| 08:09.52 | CHAOSiTEC | had a few problems getting it installed, until i unmasked so that i could get the latest (i.e. 0.19) |
| 08:09.59 | CHAOSiTEC | going to run it now, lol |
| 08:10.48 | NAiL | Shouldn't be masked... Bit strange that. I've emerged it on three boxen, and not had problems with any of them |
| 08:10.58 | NAiL | but it doesn't matter as long as it's installed ;) |
| 08:11.25 | CHAOSiTEC | (im running on amd64 |
| 08:11.31 | NAiL | oh |
| 08:11.45 | NAiL | I haven't tested on amd64 yet. |
| 08:11.52 | NAiL | I'm getting my amd64 box *today* |
| 08:12.09 | CHAOSiTEC | there was an install script problem with boost, so affected the install of monotone, until i did the unmasking, i.e. newer version |
| 08:12.17 | NAiL | aha |
| 08:12.46 | CHAOSiTEC | mine runs rock stable ;-) |
| 08:12.48 | NAiL | do you have the url to the stepbystep page? |
| 08:14.29 | CHAOSiTEC | http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenEmbedded/StepByStepSetup |
| 08:15.46 | CHAOSiTEC | well, deleted the dir, and its now runnning make setup |
| 08:16.18 | NAiL | good |
| 08:16.44 | NAiL | after that you can enter the openslug dir, make conf/local.conf and make setup-env, then you can try bb bluez-utils-nodbus |
| 08:17.08 | CHAOSiTEC | yeah, but that will proberly not be until i get back from work, lol |
| 08:17.20 | NAiL | make setup won't take that long |
| 08:17.29 | NAiL | It just fetches OE and a few other things |
| 08:17.34 | CHAOSiTEC | i have 30 minutes left, lol |
| 08:17.45 | NAiL | give it 5-10 mins, and it should be done :) |
| 08:17.57 | CHAOSiTEC | ok |
| 08:21.49 | NAiL | 0, |
| 08:21.50 | NAiL | , |
| 08:22.23 | CHAOSiTEC | current progress:monotone: verifying new revisions (this may take a while) |
| 08:24.16 | NAiL | yeah, that takes a bit of time |
| 08:24.23 | CHAOSiTEC | yeah lol |
| 08:24.45 | CHAOSiTEC | so, looking forward for your amd 64 bit system? |
| 08:24.58 | NAiL | are you kidding? ;) |
| 08:25.21 | CHAOSiTEC | lol |
| 08:25.43 | NAiL | Replacing this dusty old XP2700+/768mb with a AMD64 3700+/1GB is... good :) |
| 08:25.46 | CHAOSiTEC | i bought mine the same day the shops had the 0.09 cores out |
| 08:26.22 | CHAOSiTEC | its the slowest one lol, 3000+ that i have |
| 08:26.41 | CHAOSiTEC | i upgraded from the 1800+ athlon |
| 08:26.46 | NAiL | ah |
| 08:27.01 | NAiL | My 2700+ will be downgraded to a dedicated build-box now ;) |
| 08:27.12 | CHAOSiTEC | and, im thinking going x2 this year |
| 08:27.18 | NAiL | Dunno what I'll do with my 2000+ :P |
| 08:27.36 | CHAOSiTEC | nice!, mine is just laying in the closet, but alas, i have 4 comps..lol |
| 08:27.55 | NAiL | I've got three right now. |
| 08:28.06 | NAiL | xp 2700, 2000 and 1800 |
| 08:28.24 | CHAOSiTEC | 3 running linux, one runs MCE 2005 beta 2 (sigh, linux freak betatesting microsft product, lol) |
| 08:28.49 | CIA-8 | 03jeanfabrice * 10unslung/Makefile: Demote wget-ssl for wiley as it seems to link against librt.so which doesn't exist on wiley |
| 08:29.59 | CIA-8 | 03jeanfabrice * 10unslung/Makefile: Change UNSLUNG_TARGET to nslu2 |
| 08:30.38 | NAiL | Two running linux, and one running Windows XP. |
| 08:30.48 | NAiL | My desktop is a Wintendo-box |
| 08:30.56 | CHAOSiTEC | i dual boot on my main, i NEED my games, lol |
| 08:31.02 | NAiL | hmm |
| 08:31.07 | NAiL | I don't have any games installed at all |
| 08:31.37 | NAiL | well.. I've got this spider thingy, hears... and minesweeper. But nothing more than that :P |
| 08:31.40 | NAiL | hearts |
| 08:31.51 | NAiL | I don't exactly play a lot ;) |
| 08:32.16 | CHAOSiTEC | lol, i play Battlefield 2, and eq2 |
| 08:32.17 | NAiL | If I want to play something, I'll sit down and play Day of the Tentacle on my modded XBox ;) |
| 08:32.53 | CHAOSiTEC | lol |
| 08:33.44 | NAiL | Or burnout, if I need to get my head off things |
| 08:34.05 | CHAOSiTEC | ;-) good game |
| 08:34.24 | NAiL | Maybe I'll sit down and try God of War one of these days. Looks kinda neat. |
| 08:34.36 | NAiL | How's make setup doing? |
| 08:35.06 | CHAOSiTEC | just started bb bluez-utils-nodbus right now |
| 08:35.12 | NAiL | cool |
| 08:35.52 | CIA-8 | 03jeanfabrice * 10unslung/Makefile: Promote net-snmp for wiley |
| 08:36.15 | CHAOSiTEC | im hoping i will be able to get lvm2 up for the box |
| 08:37.00 | NAiL | yeah |
| 08:37.13 | NAiL | I don't have enough disks for lvm2 to make sense :P |
| 08:37.21 | CHAOSiTEC | i have 600GB just sitting there, waiting, lol |
| 08:37.58 | CHAOSiTEC | then, next month i will buy 2 other slugs, 1 with 600GB hds, for backing up the first lol |
| 08:38.11 | NAiL | hahah |
| 08:38.13 | CHAOSiTEC | the second slug, will be dev |
| 08:38.30 | NAiL | I'm waiting for my budget to allow a few more slugs myself |
| 08:38.40 | NAiL | the disks are a bit more expensive though :( |
| 08:38.45 | CHAOSiTEC | true |
| 08:38.55 | NAiL | Right now, one of my slugs use one of my iPods as root disk :P |
| 08:39.18 | CHAOSiTEC | but in total i now have 960Gigs of storage on all my comps, but i want most of it to be on the network |
| 08:39.42 | CHAOSiTEC | lol, i was actually thinking of using my creative zen micro lol |
| 08:41.55 | CHAOSiTEC | but i settled for 512 mb swap, and 10gigs or root, way to much lol |
| 08:42.13 | NAiL | hehe |
| 08:42.32 | CHAOSiTEC | i actually bought the slug, because of nslu2-linu.org |
| 08:42.42 | CHAOSiTEC | linux* |
| 08:43.04 | NAiL | Yeah, me too I think :) |
| 08:43.33 | CHAOSiTEC | i wasnt satisfied with the stuff it could do, out of the box, thats why i never bought it before, lol |
| 08:43.47 | NAiL | hehe, exactly |
| 08:43.54 | NAiL | Now it can do so much more :D |
| 08:43.59 | CHAOSiTEC | ohh yeah! |
| 08:44.00 | CHAOSiTEC | lol |
| 08:44.36 | CHAOSiTEC | just need to get perl working lol |
| 08:44.59 | NAiL | Works if compiled natively. If you can fix the cross build, I'd really be happy :P |
| 08:45.05 | CHAOSiTEC | (by cross compiling, so that its just a matter of ipkg install perl |
| 08:45.29 | CHAOSiTEC | but alas, i cant figure out why it fails, must be a problem, when compiling a specific lib |
| 08:45.44 | CHAOSiTEC | (symbol problem as i recall |
| 08:45.49 | NAiL | It's not quite my department either, unfortunately |
| 08:46.20 | CHAOSiTEC | last time i developed in either C or C++ was back in the good ol' dos days lol |
| 08:46.46 | CHAOSiTEC | i gave up on developing on windows. too much of a pain, and never really tried on linux |
| 08:48.59 | CHAOSiTEC | hmm, do you remember what package 'file' is from? |
| 08:49.17 | NAiL | no, and afaik, file is broken? |
| 08:49.28 | NAiL | it's in "file" :P |
| 08:49.29 | CHAOSiTEC | ahh ok |
| 08:49.31 | CHAOSiTEC | lol |
| 08:50.08 | NAiL | Haven't tried file, someone (g2?) talked about it being broken, and just answering "binary data" or something like that |
| 08:50.18 | CHAOSiTEC | i c |
| 08:50.39 | CHAOSiTEC | i think g2 talked me into using my dev slug for embedded gentoo lol |
| 08:51.05 | NAiL | haha |
| 08:52.39 | CHAOSiTEC | lol, i havnt even deunderclocked my slug yet, nor fattened it |
| 08:52.55 | NAiL | I don't think there's that many fatslugs yet |
| 08:53.08 | NAiL | But the deunderclocked stats are growing quite fast :D |
| 08:53.13 | CHAOSiTEC | then there will be, soon, lol |
| 08:53.24 | NAiL | I've got two slugs deunderclocked. #2 and #20 |
| 08:53.31 | CHAOSiTEC | yeah i noticed on the mailing list |
| 08:54.59 | CHAOSiTEC | but 40 slugs, use distcc, now that would be fun, rofl |
| 08:55.13 | CHAOSiTEC | but=buy |
| 08:55.24 | NAiL | "Imagine a BeoWulf cluster of..." |
| 08:55.33 | CHAOSiTEC | rofl, yeah |
| 08:55.45 | CHAOSiTEC | of course, all deunderclocked, and fattened..rofl |
| 08:55.50 | NAiL | yes :D |
| 08:56.03 | NAiL | man, glibc takes forever to package |
| 08:56.09 | CHAOSiTEC | i bet |
| 08:56.52 | CHAOSiTEC | hmm, cant we build perl natively, then package them, instead of having the broken cross compiled one?? |
| 08:57.17 | NAiL | yes. That is kinda my job ;) |
| 08:57.25 | CHAOSiTEC | lol |
| 08:58.53 | NAiL | hahah |
| 08:59.22 | CHAOSiTEC | hmm a slugfarm, managed all by webmin (wonders what cpu cycles are left for actual jobs, rofl |
| 09:00.13 | NAiL | nah, webmin will only take cpu when you're actually making changes, won it? |
| 09:00.15 | NAiL | won't |
| 09:00.40 | CHAOSiTEC | uses a little for the httpd perl script, but shouldnt be too much i think |
| 09:03.12 | CHAOSiTEC | ohh well, one smoke, then im off for work |
| 09:07.10 | CHAOSiTEC | see you around NAiL, im off for work... |
| 09:07.17 | NAiL | later |
| 09:07.25 | CHAOSiTEC_away | laterz |
| 09:07.51 | mr_claus_ | NAiL: do you know a way to stop udev without killing it by killall? |
| 09:11.54 | NAiL | mr_claus: hmm... using ps|grep|sed and kill? :P |
| 09:14.22 | NAiL | 0, |
| 09:14.22 | NAiL | 0. |
| 09:28.08 | NAiL | CHAOSiTEC_away: bluez-utils-nodbus built now. So it should build for you as well. |
| 09:48.38 | mr_claus | NAiL: ps is not working without proc filesystem |
| 09:49.45 | NAiL | ah, heh |
| 09:50.12 | NAiL | very... nice... |
| 09:50.25 | NAiL | I'll take a look at it later today, got my hands full right now |
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| 12:41.00 | [g2] | any apache users out there ? |
| 13:01.01 | VoodooZ_Work | OT: Anybody knows how to configure a fedora box so it tries the local passwd before ldap? (so when ldap server is down you can still login) |
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| 13:44.05 | giel | VoodooZ_Work: it's probably something in /etc/pam.d |
| 13:44.12 | giel | not much of a help, i know |
| 13:48.26 | [g2] | kergoth, HEY! |
| 14:05.18 | peteru-home | Could someone do me a favour please? |
| 14:05.46 | peteru-home | I don't post to the Yahoo mail list and am not about to start - spam being a big reason. |
| 14:06.24 | Tiersten | Set up a Yahoo account just for posting then |
| 14:06.49 | peteru-home | Could someone who does post tell the guys in the Sane scanner thread to read the comments in optware/make/libusb.mk ? |
| 14:07.07 | peteru-home | they'll save themselves a lot of running around in circles. |
| 14:08.08 | peteru-home | libusb is fundamentally broken in the way it accesses structures and there are no easy patches to fix the problem for good. |
| 14:08.28 | Tiersten | Didn't you abandon it and write your own access functions? |
| 14:08.35 | peteru-home | exactly |
| 14:11.20 | Tiersten | Okay. Sent. Just this time though. Sign up a throwaway email account next time okay? :) |
| 14:11.45 | peteru-home | Tiersten: thanks. |
| 14:12.10 | rwhitby-away | peteru-home: you have your own domain, right? |
| 14:12.25 | rwhitby-away | just make up a new local address, and bounce it |
| 14:12.54 | Tiersten | I've never gotten spam from yahoo mailing list posts |
| 14:14.06 | dyoung-zzzz | I suppose I should go to sleep. |
| 14:14.45 | Tiersten | heh |
| 14:19.08 | peteru-home | rwhitby-away: I tend to "rotate shields" by using a lot of email addresses and then black listing the ones that go bad, but the Yahoo sign up process is just that little bit of too much effort :-) |
| 14:19.50 | giel | you could set up a yahoo account + email and never check your yahoo email |
| 14:19.52 | giel | :) |
| 14:21.21 | Tiersten | yep |
| 14:21.59 | DaKa2 | peteru-home: hm... |
| 14:22.48 | DaKa2 | is it really that bad? |
| 14:25.22 | DaKa2 | peteru-home: did you make your own access functions for sane, or something else? |
| 14:25.56 | dyoung-zzzz | peteru-home wrote puppy. |
| 14:25.58 | dyoung-zzzz | ~puppy |
| 14:26.15 | dyoung-zzzz | hmm |
| 14:26.26 | dyoung-zzzz | Puppy is a network interface tool for the toppy. |
| 14:26.28 | dyoung-zzzz | ~toppy |
| 14:26.28 | jbot | hmm... toppy is a dual tuner digital receiver and personal video recorder - see http://www.topfield.co.kr/product_e/pr_feature.asp?cb=DTR&cm=PVR&pn=TF5000PVRt |
| 14:26.35 | DaKa2 | ahh |
| 14:27.21 | Tiersten | Unfortunately a lot of packages assume that the entire world is a 32 bit x86 |
| 14:27.34 | rwhitby-away | what, it isn't? |
| 14:27.48 | Tiersten | Nope. I've got a 16 bit x86 somewhere... :) |
| 14:28.04 | NAiL | I've just got a 64bit x86 :P |
| 14:28.33 | DaKa2 | actually, libusb works, just seems to gives sane 32 bits of image data instead of 24. If sane could just skip the extra 8 bits all would be fine... everything else sane uses libusb for works great |
| 14:29.07 | Tiersten | DaKa2: Sure but it doesn't fix the underlying problem. You can put in a hack to discard the extra data if you want but it's a bit ick |
| 14:29.30 | dyoung-zzzz | ~ube |
| 14:29.30 | jbot | ube is, like, Ugly But Effective. Or sometimes Unorthrodox But Effective |
| 14:29.48 | Tiersten | hardware is bearable because it *should* be a one off :) |
| 14:30.11 | DaKa2 | well, yeah, just dont know how to fix libusb, seems like they know they bade a big mistake and is remakeing the entire api for version 1.0 |
| 14:30.45 | peteru-home | DaKa2: I ended up using usbfs directly, instead of fixing the problems with libusb |
| 14:31.48 | peteru-home | the proper way to fix libusb is not to declare the structs as packed, but for the code to actually unpack the individual bytes from the URBs as needed. |
| 14:32.20 | peteru-home | effectivelly, that means rewriting enormous chunks of libusb |
| 14:32.32 | DaKa2 | hm.. that sounds like a lot of work... |
| 14:33.32 | peteru-home | it was a lot easier to talk to usbfs directly, although I find that usbfs has some issues in 2.6.11 (at least on MIPS) |
| 14:34.05 | DaKa2 | oh fun.. another place that things can go wrong.. |
| 14:34.39 | peteru-home | yeah, libusb 1.0 refactor has been on the drawing board for a long time. |
| 14:34.44 | DaKa2 | starting to think running 2.4 with the scanner module isnt such a bad idea |
| 14:35.35 | peteru-home | I invested at least a month trying to get 2.6.xx going for my project. USB ended up being unworkable, so eventually I ended up going back to 2.4.xx |
| 14:35.44 | CIA-8 | 03rwhitby@nslu2-linux.org 07org.openembedded.nslu2-linux * rd6fdb02a91d1c19b5e0e6c9c0e484f3e14b2ca77 10/ (21 files in 16 dirs): |
| 14:35.44 | CIA-8 | propagate from branch 'org.openembedded.dev' (head b378da256e147a5c55663f95c0cc3df118a4a63d) |
| 14:35.44 | CIA-8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:35.57 | NAiL | It works ;) |
| 14:36.08 | peteru-home | whee! monotone messages :) |
| 14:36.41 | rwhitby-away | yep, should be working now |
| 14:36.55 | rwhitby-away | it runs every 5 minutes |
| 14:37.02 | NAiL | cool |
| 14:37.27 | peteru-home | did you guys see my monotone issue earlier today? |
| 14:38.11 | peteru-home | monotone: misuse: no unique private key for cert construction |
| 14:38.28 | DaKa2 | oh well.. maybe should try making some ugly fix in SANE... i really dont want to go to 2.4 |
| 14:38.33 | CIA-8 | 03nail@nslu2-linux.org 07org.openembedded.nslu2-linux * rfc7a16d864477c5d989f50430896d4cf6df31265 10/packages/meta/openslug-packages.bb: Added working openntpd. |
| 14:38.49 | NAiL | *ding-ding* |
| 14:38.54 | peteru-home | was there anything I could have done to resolve that, or is it just a matter of waiting? |
| 14:39.33 | rwhitby-away | peteru-home: you needed to create a private key, so that you could resolve the merge. |
| 14:40.49 | rwhitby-away | but it's whoever left the repo unmerged who should have fixed it |
| 14:42.13 | peteru-home | rwhitby-away: but, if I resolve the merge myself, will that mean that I have a local fork of the file in question? |
| 14:42.36 | peteru-home | and does not that create the possibility that this will bite me later on? |
| 14:43.09 | peteru-home | Yoda grammar I suffer from. ;) |
| 14:43.37 | rwhitby-away | create the possibility is |
| 14:43.45 | CIA-8 | 03nail@nslu2-linux.org 07org.openembedded.nslu2-linux * ra96120ae4432f090395e5fa91129bb55062af8ee 10/ (11 files in 8 dirs): |
| 14:43.45 | CIA-8 | merge of d6fdb02a91d1c19b5e0e6c9c0e484f3e14b2ca77 |
| 14:43.45 | CIA-8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.47 | peteru-home | ok, I'm off to push some Zzzs. Good night all. |
| 14:49.06 | rwhitby-away | night peteru-home |
| 14:52.50 | rwhitby-away | nslu2-linux still has an average of 2.25 hours between commits for the last 0.81 years. |
| 14:53.21 | NAiL | Ok, I'm on it :P |
| 14:54.23 | rwhitby-away | merges will be filtered out now. propagates will remain |
| 14:54.30 | NAiL | yeah |
| 14:54.48 | rwhitby-away | and the author will be cut at the @ |
| 14:55.07 | NAiL | Is it necessary to have the whole hash, or can we do like they do in #oe, cut it off a bit? |
| 14:55.18 | NAiL | actually.. the whole hash is a good idea |
| 14:55.44 | rwhitby-away | why? |
| 14:56.35 | NAiL | Isn't it? I thought it might be useful for looking up stuff in the log. |
| 14:57.05 | rwhitby-away | the first 8 digits should give you a fairly unique hash |
| 14:57.18 | NAiL | yeah |
| 14:58.05 | rwhitby-away | ok, it's now the same as #oe |
| 14:58.59 | rwhitby-away | hmm - do we really want propagates listed here? |
| 15:00.05 | rwhitby-away | since I'm not sure I know enough python to fix it, then we will :-) |
| 15:00.25 | rwhitby-away | (until we start doing it hourly maybe) |
| 15:01.04 | NAiL | haha |
| 15:01.31 | NAiL | Well.. It is kinda neat to know the number of files modified by a propagate |
| 15:02.02 | rwhitby-away | night all |
| 15:02.21 | NAiL | Good idea. Think I'll pick up a few ZZzzz's myself. |
| 15:05.45 | rwhitby-asleep | propagating back to #oe |
| 15:10.08 | rwhitby-asleep | now that is one complex graph: http://monotone.vanille.de/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=a96120ae4432f090395e5fa91129bb55062af8ee&ancestry_limit=0 |
| 15:10.42 | NAiL | haha |
| 15:11.31 | NAiL | I got a yucky orange color this time though. I liked my green much better :P |
| 15:11.31 | rwhitby-asleep | I think we need to start up the propagate-from-oe every hour sometime soon ... |
| 15:11.48 | NAiL | hmm |
| 15:11.58 | NAiL | Won't that result in unmerged heads? |
| 15:12.21 | NAiL | That kinda screws up users trying to build bleeding edge |
| 15:13.33 | NAiL | you saw what just happened in #oe? ;) |
| 15:13.38 | rwhitby-asleep | yep |
| 15:14.02 | NAiL | That is gonna make us very popular if it comes in large batches |
| 15:14.08 | rwhitby-asleep | NAiL: the monotone user on nudi can do automatic merges |
| 15:25.11 | VoodooZ_Work | monotone question: Is monotone similar in concept to BK? As in, does it keep a local repo and all that? |
| 15:25.27 | rwhitby-asleep | VoodooZ_Work: yep |
| 15:25.33 | VoodooZ_Work | cool. |
| 15:25.43 | rwhitby-asleep | http://venge.net/monotone/ |
| 15:26.44 | VoodooZ_Work | Do you think I could just copy my old openembedded folder in the new monotone tree to get me started with my private changes? |
| 15:26.50 | VoodooZ_Work | Thanks for link. |
| 15:27.15 | rwhitby-asleep | yep, you should be able to copy the files over. make sure you remove the SCCS files, and check for adds and deletes |
| 15:27.43 | VoodooZ_Work | yeah. I was going to write a quick script to clean up all the SCCS junk. |
| 15:27.49 | VoodooZ_Work | check for adds and delete? |
| 15:28.38 | rwhitby-asleep | yeah, you may have added files, and they may have deleted files you use |
| 15:30.07 | VoodooZ_Work | yeah. It's temporary. A lot of my personal changes have been added by either me or other members so there's no that many left. |
| 15:30.32 | VoodooZ_Work | The most imporant being the dead I/O pin reroute and the tweaking of openslug.conf |
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| 15:52.17 | jbowler-away | rwhitby-asleep: monotone propagate should help reduce the branching, or at least make it more localised. |
| 15:52.31 | giel | ha, OLS schedule |
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| 15:55.24 | jaxe | slightly offtopic, but does anyone here have experience/interest in development on Synology DS-101? |
| 15:56.07 | [g2] | jaxe, minor but they are not readily available in the states |
| 15:56.37 | jaxe | that is an issue indeed |
| 15:57.49 | jaxe | we already have full telnet+root access to the box. it has an integral IDE connector, same CPU and twice the memory of nslu2 |
| 15:59.48 | jaxe | the box runs same binaries as nslu2 |
| 15:59.59 | [g2] | it will |
| 16:00.14 | jaxe | what are you planning? |
| 16:00.15 | [g2] | in addition to the usb2 it'll have a CF slot |
| 16:00.36 | [g2] | so the flash on board will be less, but you can boot to the CF |
| 16:00.46 | [g2] | plus have 2 USB 2.0 ports |
| 16:01.49 | jaxe | what kind of costs are you looking at? |
| 16:02.25 | [g2] | it's a little expensive compared to the slug but I think it'll be well worth it |
| 16:02.27 | [g2] | $249 |
| 16:03.03 | [g2] | IXP422, 64MB, .5MB bootflash, CF, miniPCI, dual etherenet |
| 16:03.20 | [g2] | serial port out of the box, JTAG header inside |
| 16:03.27 | [g2] | full metal chassis |
| 16:03.39 | [g2] | plus other goodies |
| 16:06.40 | glc_ | g2: have any pictures yet? |
| 16:06.50 | jaxe | anyways, do you gyus think that there would be any interest in the nslu2 community for collaboration with the 'small but emerging' synology community?-) |
| 16:07.07 | [g2] | glc_, proto boards will be back in few weeks |
| 16:07.59 | [g2] | As the specs are finalized I'll publish the full docs and launch the product |
| 16:08.21 | [g2] | I'll be doing a 200 unit production run |
| 16:12.47 | [g2] | AHH finally... Apache2 with PHP5 running on OpenSlug |
| 16:42.06 | DaKa2 | hm.. I would want the features of Synology Disk Station DS-101g+, at the price and size of the nslu2 |
| 16:44.23 | jaxe | you would need a small 3.5" hard disk then:) |
| 16:44.35 | DaKa2 | [g2]: $249 isn't actually that much, for the DS-101g+ I would have to give $315 in sweden |
| 16:44.53 | [g2] | jaxe, or CF |
| 16:45.00 | DaKa2 | hehe, well.. how about a 2,5" hdd, of CF |
| 16:45.02 | DaKa2 | or* |
| 16:45.03 | [g2] | I think a little microdrive |
| 16:45.23 | [g2] | there's some extra features too |
| 16:45.30 | DaKa2 | dual lan is just great |
| 16:45.40 | [g2] | nod. |
| 16:45.59 | DaKa2 | btw, anyone tried 802.1q on the slug? |
| 16:46.02 | [g2] | I've done the best I could on features/price/performance |
| 16:46.42 | [g2] | DaKa2, I've had 3 interfaces on a slug running but didn't get a chance to play with transparent bridging |
| 16:46.45 | DaKa2 | I'd say you did a good job |
| 16:47.04 | [g2] | well thx |
| 16:47.07 | DaKa2 | :) |
| 16:47.29 | [g2] | I'll be launching the company and web stte soon |
| 16:47.34 | [g2] | site |
| 16:49.07 | DaKa2 | nice, I might actually want one, or two, dunno yet |
| 16:49.09 | [g2]-away | bbiab |
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| 17:23.56 | perlguru | hello |
| 17:24.26 | perlguru | any wl-hdd users here, using oleg firmware? |
| 17:25.48 | perlguru | i am a bit lost what to do after flashing.... |
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| 18:15.03 | perlguru | how do i mount the internal hdd on my wl-hdd? |
| 18:15.33 | perlguru | mount -t ext3 /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 /tmp/harddisk/part1 |
| 18:15.33 | perlguru | mount: Mounting /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 on /tmp/harddisk/part1 failed: Invalid argument |
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| 18:55.59 | CIA-8 | 03ov2k * 10unslung/sources/openvpn/S20openvpn: |
| 18:56.00 | CIA-8 | Changed startup script from |
| 18:56.00 | CIA-8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.00 | CIA-8 | to |
| 18:56.00 | CIA-8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.00 | CIA-8 | as suggested on the mailing list. |
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| 20:47.34 | marceln | Hi Tiersten? |
| 20:52.08 | Tiersten | hmm? |
| 20:53.05 | marceln | I asked a question about the wish list on the mail list |
| 20:53.14 | marceln | But nobody responded. |
| 20:53.25 | Tiersten | erm okay |
| 20:53.29 | marceln | I found out that there are two wish lists? |
| 20:54.02 | marceln | You are in the list as wiki master so maybe you know the reason. |
| 20:54.18 | Tiersten | There are multiple ones because they're for different things |
| 20:54.34 | Tiersten | HowTo/WishList is just for general - I wish it could do <blah> |
| 20:54.52 | Tiersten | Unslung/FirmwareWishList for Unslung specific ones |
| 20:55.29 | Tiersten | etc... |
| 20:56.04 | Tiersten | There is a packagewishlist as well |
| 20:56.08 | Tiersten | What did you modify? |
| 20:57.07 | marceln | First of all i find it hard to decide what is really usefully to do with that many lists. |
| 20:57.27 | Tiersten | I didn't actually start the other ones |
| 20:57.39 | Tiersten | They just generally appeared by themselves as people decided that we needed specific lists |
| 20:57.46 | marceln | The second problem is that if you made a package you have to correct all the lists that the package is there. |
| 20:58.12 | Tiersten | Afraid so |
| 20:58.25 | Tiersten | A wiki isn't the best thing to keep track of these things just because stuff gets out of date quickly |
| 20:58.43 | Tiersten | Need to go through it at some point and strip out the obsolete or redundant information |
| 20:59.38 | marceln | It would be useful for me if someone decides which packages we really want to support. |
| 21:00.03 | marceln | Some times it's better that someone makes a decission. |
| 21:00.17 | Tiersten | Ignore the wishlists if so. Stuff in the feeds in theory should be supported |
| 21:00.43 | Tiersten | Okay. I've found your email |
| 21:01.07 | Tiersten | hmm. I guess we'd need some sort of voting system or just tell users to put a "Me too" under a specific package |
| 21:01.29 | marceln | I think something like that would be useful. |
| 21:02.24 | marceln | I am prepared to support some more packages but i don't really know what a group of users want. |
| 21:02.52 | Tiersten | well. the main push so far is that the package maintainer wants it |
| 21:02.56 | marceln | I don't want to put a package in the system beacause some user wrote it in a wishlist a time ago. |
| 21:03.07 | Tiersten | they're just helpful enough to keep maintaining it for everybody as well |
| 21:03.25 | marceln | There are two problems with that |
| 21:04.11 | marceln | 1) Some of those maintainers going to stop supporting those packages. At that moment they are a burden for the project. |
| 21:05.22 | marceln | 2) There is no guarantee that packages which a lot users want are build. |
| 21:05.51 | marceln | I hoped to get a discussion about these topics to get a better solution. |
| 21:06.14 | Tiersten | How do you get around 1 or 2? |
| 21:07.00 | Tiersten | Unless we can find somebody willing to maintain it, we can't add it in. It's just purely man power issues here. |
| 21:07.43 | marceln | A feedback system which really counts wishes could be useful. |
| 21:09.07 | Tiersten | I'll have a look into it. If it is really something that will be useful then I'll write it |
| 21:09.09 | marceln | On the other side somebody should decide if it fits in the total solution and if it's word the evert. |
| 21:09.46 | marceln | And the man power issue is something which will work to both sides. |
| 21:10.36 | marceln | If we make better decision's which packages we really want it can be easer to maintain. |
| 21:10.52 | Tiersten | *shrug* |
| 21:11.05 | Tiersten | You should really discuss this with rwhitby |
| 21:11.21 | jbowler-away | jacques, rwhitby-asleep: looking at packages/openslug-init/*/kern_header it generates kernel-file-size+16 as the length, but slugimage seems to generate kernel-file-size - is that an error in slugimage? |
| 21:11.33 | marceln | Ok. |
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| 21:58.21 | dyoung-zzzz | There were originally 2 lists. Firmware Wishlist and Package Wishlist. |
| 21:59.20 | CIA-8 | 03florian 07org.openembedded.dev * r33378305... 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): |
| 21:59.20 | CIA-8 | Move responsibility for setup links to extra package. |
| 21:59.20 | CIA-8 | Default to osso gtk version in maemo images. |
| 21:59.20 | CIA-8 | 03florian 07org.openembedded.dev * r23bb3a52... 10/conf/machine/nokia770.conf: Update to new udev naming. |
| 21:59.21 | CIA-8 | 03florian 07org.openembedded.dev * r2d388161... 10/packages/maemo/osso-esd_0.5.bb: Limit RPROVIDES to the binary package. |
| 21:59.22 | CIA-8 | 03florian 07org.openembedded.nslu2-linux * r041417bf... 10/packages/maemo/ (nokia770-init/fixup-770.sh nokia770-init_1.0.bb): |
| 21:59.25 | CIA-8 | Add package to do some initialisation and fixups like unmounting stuff |
| 21:59.27 | CIA-8 | from initrd and create some useful links. |
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| 22:06.39 | jbowler-away | <CIA-8> florian changes - the logs come from my syncing a propagate |
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| 22:09.06 | rwhitby-asleep | jaxe: there is interest - maybe we can do an Optware port like we have done for wl500g ... |
| 22:12.05 | rwhitby-asleep | jbowler-away: well, we know that slugimage works, and kern_header works too. So I'd guess that slugimage is correct. |
| 22:12.06 | dyoung-zzzz | jaxe, I split the original firmware for the DS101 a while ago; so there is a little interest, but I cant get my hands on one. |
| 22:12.45 | jbowler-away | rwhitby-asleep: and kern_header is wrong? |
| 22:13.32 | jbowler-away | The last 16 bytes of the image are probably typically not interesting - removing them may not cause an error. |
| 22:14.02 | jbowler-away | reflash currently does what kern_header does, but it's easy to make it do what slugimage does, just slightly worrying to reduce that number by 16... |
| 22:15.40 | marceln | rbwitby: Did you read my discussion with Tiersten? |
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| 22:22.46 | rwhitby-asleep | jbowler-away: I guess kern_header is being conservative. slugimage hasn't changed forever, and we know that it works |
| 22:23.06 | rwhitby-asleep | if redboot copies 16 too many bytes, it's not a problem - that's why kern_header works |
| 22:24.50 | jbowler-away | Yes, it looks like I have assume that the flash image file corresponds to what slugimage does anyway. |
| 22:25.54 | rwhitby-asleep | marceln: pick 5 or 6 packages which you are interested in. Start a poll on the yahoo group to see which of those is most wanted. The development of packages on this project really is driven by the needs of the developers. |
| 22:26.44 | rwhitby-asleep | alternatively, put a dividing line on the wiki pages (everything below this line is ignored) and ask people to update the page with their latest wishlist, and ask them to put their name after the wish and multiple names will tell you which are most popular. |
| 22:27.36 | marceln | Ok. We don't need a solution now. But i think we should think about it. |
| 22:28.49 | marceln | I think the project gets better if we gone make some decisions. |
| 22:29.13 | marceln | Otherwise i see some problems which won't be solved. |
| 22:29.41 | rwhitby-asleep | marceln: depends on your point of view :-) I personally am here for the developers first, and then the users are welcome to recieve the fruits of the developers' labour. So if developers have problems, then those get solved first. |
| 22:29.46 | marceln | e.g my problem with aftpd but also busybox 1 which conflicts with to many other packeges. |
| 22:30.45 | rwhitby-asleep | The other source of input is slugbug. If something is reported well in slugbug, then we'll usually discuss it here and fix it. |
| 22:34.22 | rwhitby-asleep | but you are right. the project as a whole would benefit from a group of "second tier" support developers who are focused on the end-user problems instead of focused on driving development forward. |
| 22:35.07 | marceln | Ok. It's maybe it's beacause i am new in this project but it bothers me a litle bit that there isn't enough central managment. |
| 22:36.35 | rwhitby-asleep | marceln: it's intentionally so. The core team manages the direction of the firmware pretty well, but intentionally leaves the management of packages to the core team members who are the package managers. But it is not part of the package managers job to direct which packages should be developed. |
| 22:37.25 | rwhitby-asleep | I guess we have never had anyone before who didn't have a personal itch to scratch, and was looking to develop and maintain packages that other people needed ... |
| 22:37.56 | rwhitby-asleep | So the growth of the packages have happened by developers scratching personal itches, and jp30 managing the collection of those itches. |
| 22:38.53 | CIA-8 | 03rpurdie 07org.openembedded.dev * rfdf14f17... 10/packages/sharp-binary-only/sharp-aticore-oss_1.0.1.bb: Update atilib to avoid a segfault |
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| 22:38.54 | marceln | There are a lot of packeges i am not interested at all. |
| 22:39.14 | marceln | I wouldn't develep those packages. |
| 22:39.32 | marceln | But i don't wan't to push a package i only use. |
| 22:39.58 | DaKa2 | when SANE works I could fix/maintain other things, if there is interest |
| 22:40.02 | marceln | And i love to contrib a package everyone loves and is in my expertise. |
| 22:41.09 | marceln | I hope i didn't waste to much time but instead started a useful discusion. |
| 22:41.23 | marceln | But anyway it's sleeping time for me. |
| 22:41.26 | marceln | Bye. |
| 22:41.29 | rwhitby-asleep | marceln: it is a good discussion |
| 22:41.33 | rwhitby-asleep | let's do something about it |
| 22:41.54 | rwhitby-asleep | what do you suggest is the best way to get the user input on which packages are important to them? |
| 22:43.00 | marceln | That's really a problem. Probably most users will never respond unless they have a hard problem. |
| 22:43.36 | DaKa2 | how about a signup page, ie, leave your email on a page for the package/project they want fixed, with the option of beeing notified when things work? |
| 22:43.38 | marceln | Polls might give some input but still miss most users. |
| 22:45.56 | rwhitby | marceln: your new job is to work out the best way to gather the input using the community infrastructure (wiki, mailing list, yahoo group, slugbug) that we have already. Let me know what you decide, and we'll help you implement it. |
| 22:46.37 | marceln | I will think about it. But first i gone a write the paper for the linux-kongress. |
| 22:46.43 | rwhitby | if it absolutely can't be done with existing infrastructure, then at that point we can look at developing or installing something else. |
| 22:47.17 | rwhitby | marceln: right. BTW, we appreciate the work you are doing on the paper. Did you contact ka6sox ? |
| 22:47.30 | marceln | Not yet. |
| 22:47.45 | rwhitby | he has done a couple of these "Introduction to Unslung" style talks before, and probably has some slides you can start from if you wish. |
| 22:47.45 | marceln | I hope to find time next weekend to write the paper. |
| 22:48.24 | marceln | First off all i have to write an abstract which they use to decide which talks are admitted. |
| 22:48.46 | rwhitby | feel free to email me if you want me to help proof read it. I will ask that I get to see it before you present it, in case there are any factual errors. |
| 22:49.14 | marceln | I will. |
| 22:49.52 | marceln | Thanks. |
| 22:50.09 | rwhitby | No, thank you :-) |
| 22:50.33 | marceln | Bye i have to get sleep now. |
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