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| 02:19.19 | eno | jp30-work: ping |
| 02:21.50 | jp30-work | pong |
| 02:22.36 | eno | were you using w3m.mk -r1.3? |
| 02:23.11 | jp30-work | let me check... |
| 02:23.12 | eno | i thought i fixed the problem of native build dependency on libgc |
| 02:24.22 | jp30-work | i'll try a cvs update and clean build of w3m on the official build machine now... |
| 02:24.52 | eno | alright, please do so for mzscheme as well |
| 02:28.29 | jp30-work | i'm having trouble reaching the official build slug at the moment, i'll try on my own dev slug... just a minute... |
| 02:29.37 | eno | sure |
| 02:29.59 | eno | both packages take quite some time to build |
| 02:30.25 | eno | for mzscheme, even distcc does not help |
| 02:32.30 | jp30-work | w3m died at the configure stage, so that should be quick to check. devslug is building libgc now |
| 02:35.10 | jp30-work | ...looks like there is a network outage between me and the official build systems. |
| 02:35.31 | eno | is the official build system hosted at sf.net? |
| 02:36.20 | jacques | hmm I also seem to be having problems reaching the official build machines |
| 02:36.49 | jp30-work | eno, it's on a private network in LA i believe |
| 02:38.15 | eno | i just wish there's a build machine with the same arch but more powerful CPU and more RAM |
| 02:39.38 | jp30-work | well, that's what cross-compilation is for. and i think you tried hard to get w3m to cross-compile |
| 02:40.15 | jp30-work | ...i think libgc would build faster if you used the --disable-static opt to configure |
| 02:40.17 | eno | it kinda worked as long as there's libgc installed |
| 02:40.48 | eno | ok, i'll change it |
| 02:42.20 | jp30-work | --disable-static compiling libtool-based libs on an ELF-based arch. ELF shared objects are so well supported you'll hardly ever need a static lib |
| 02:42.38 | jp30-work | oop, i meant to say "it's almost always good to..." |
| 02:44.12 | eno | actually i don't think the python package build .so either |
| 02:44.30 | eno | i may need to change there too |
| 02:45.41 | jacques | i do love the movie "Brazil" |
| 02:46.34 | jp30-work | eno, not sure i understand what you're saying about python. --disable-static isn't required to build .so, it just prevents libtool/automake pkgs from building *both* .a and .so libs |
| 02:46.38 | eno | ok, just to be sure, i did 'ipkg remove w3m libgc' and a clean native build of w3m succeeded |
| 02:47.38 | jp30-work | good, looks like w3m configured ok for me too. i probably just need to make libgc-dirclean on the official build slug. |
| 02:47.47 | jp30-work | sorry about that |
| 02:48.27 | eno | i was comparing python.deb with my python.ipk and seems debian builds /usr/lib/python/libpython.so but the python.ipk build does not have that |
| 02:48.44 | eno | np |
| 02:49.00 | jp30-work | ah, i see. |
| 02:50.27 | jp30-work | well, i'll promote w3m when i can get into the official slug and check it there. i can email you the error logs from mzscheme too (again when i am able to reach the official build systems) |
| 02:51.22 | eno | alright, thanks |
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| 05:02.03 | ka6sox-away | hi rpedde |
| 05:02.20 | rpedde | greets. any luck? |
| 05:05.29 | CIA-9 | 03jp30 * 10unslung/ (make/php-apache.mk make/php.mk sources/php/php.ini): seperate php core from apache support |
| 05:13.07 | jp30 | well, we now have the ability to build php and php modules without depending on apache |
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| 05:28.53 | ka6sox-away | Hi Rwhitby-web....power and network problems tonight....lots of wind here. |
| 05:29.06 | ka6sox-away | so I'm headed back to the office to figure out what is happening. |
| 05:33.33 | rwhitby-web | I just opened up a Linksys WAG54Gv2 (ADSL2/2 Wireless Router). |
| 05:33.45 | rwhitby-web | It had a spare RAM spot :-) |
| 05:33.59 | ka6sox-away | I noticed you said *had* |
| 05:34.06 | ka6sox-away | does this mean you filled it? |
| 05:34.16 | ka6sox-away | or do I need to send you more ram? |
| 05:34.18 | rwhitby-web | No, it still has a spare slot. |
| 05:34.29 | ka6sox-away | I *have* ram |
| 05:34.44 | rwhitby-web | You never did send me any RAM - the Commerce Department got that batch, remember? |
| 05:34.58 | ka6sox-away | since then I've learned how to do it. |
| 05:35.03 | rwhitby-web | I don't think I'll ever bother doing a FatSlug. |
| 05:35.24 | ka6sox-away | actually I think I will but using 32MB chips |
| 05:35.32 | rwhitby-web | (Now that I have 3 slugs running ....) |
| 05:35.44 | ka6sox-away | I wonder if the WL-HDD can take a 32MB chip. |
| 05:35.53 | ka6sox-away | :-) |
| 05:36.18 | rwhitby-web | The WAG54G had all the usual header spots for Serial and JTAG, but it had a TI chip, and I'm not going to start yet another kernel build configuration ..... |
| 05:36.41 | ka6sox-away | good plan |
| 05:36.43 | rwhitby-web | Looks like jp30 did the php thing. Neat :-) |
| 05:36.51 | ka6sox-away | ~emulate ka6sox |
| 05:36.59 | rwhitby-web | ka6sox-away: you saw the internal photos of the WL-HDD, right? |
| 05:37.04 | ka6sox-away | yeah. |
| 05:37.16 | ka6sox-away | it has a single chip |
| 05:37.16 | rwhitby-web | did that shed any light on the RAM situation? |
| 05:37.39 | ka6sox-away | when mine arrives I want to make sure that *all* the memory lines are hooked up. |
| 05:37.55 | rwhitby-web | :-) |
| 05:38.03 | rwhitby-web | do you need more in it for the audio decoding? |
| 05:40.08 | ka6sox-away | I think so...by the time I get web/ssh/ogg-vorbis stuffs I'm a little concerned. |
| 05:41.26 | rwhitby-web | jbowler: I must congratulate you on your wiki HowTo pages. They are a model for others (including myself) to aspire to. |
| 05:42.20 | jbowler | Thanks - my standard problem though is that I write too much... People get bored half way through! |
| 05:42.34 | ka6sox-away | I certianly was not bored. |
| 05:43.15 | jbowler | What's the approach to bumping the openslug distro version number? Should I have incremented it? |
| 05:44.00 | rwhitby-web | nah - leave it for [g2] or I to bump. |
| 05:44.14 | rwhitby-web | it's ad-hoc at the moment. |
| 05:45.37 | rwhitby-web | Do we need to update the Unslung defconfig to build the same kernel codepage modules and push them to the unslung oe feed? |
| 05:46.20 | rwhitby-web | Seemed to me that if we have the right kernel modules in the feed, then your FAT HowTo would work for either OpenSlug or Unslung. |
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| 05:48.44 | jbowler | I'm looking at the defconfig but I don't understand it - there is none of the default iocharset stuff. Odd. |
| 05:50.30 | rwhitby-web | If you see a way to do it, feel free to enable those modules. |
| 05:52.05 | jbowler | It must be a good thing to add the modules - because that allows more language (the only support at present is iso8859-1 - western european) |
| 05:54.38 | jbowler | The linux Documentation/filesystems/vfat.txt has changed very slightly - codepage 437 is defaulted (no defconfig choice). |
| 05:55.06 | jbowler | There's no description of a default for 'iocharset', I suspect it is coming from the NLS setting (currently iso8859-1) |
| 05:56.29 | jbowler | UTSL: yes, it is (it defaults to CONFIG_NLS_DEFAULT). So changing that setting to utf8 would make unslung equivalent to openslug. |
| 06:08.59 | rwhitby-web | The power of the internet never ceases to amaze me: http://www.mpeg-playcenter.com/modules.php?name=nslu2 |
| 06:10.46 | rwhitby-web | The latest version of that has 780 downloads, each of which would be using Unslung firmware. |
| 06:11.11 | ka6sox-away | whoa... |
| 06:13.21 | rpedde | the degree of color blindness that it would take to design that site is what amazes me... |
| 06:13.39 | rpedde | :) |
| 06:14.04 | ka6sox-away | its a little over the top. |
| 06:15.41 | jacques | hmm I get file not found :-( |
| 06:15.47 | jacques | The requested URL /modules.php was not found on this server. |
| 06:16.05 | ka6sox-away | where are we seeing this? |
| 06:16.46 | jacques | I get that trying to go to the above url - http://www.mpeg-playcenter.com/modules.php?name=nslu2 |
| 06:16.52 | ka6sox-away | bbiab...headed in to Kick a Server into life. |
| 06:17.12 | jacques | :-D |
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| 06:26.52 | rwhitby-web | Another site: http://members.home.nl/lhspiljard/guide/index.html |
| 06:30.33 | jbowler | Neat, no need to register on that one ;-) Seems they're on unslung 2.x |
| 06:32.11 | jbowler | The more of these things sell the cheaper they'll get. I can't believe the parts cost would limit the price to much above USD30. |
| 06:32.16 | rpedde | strange, though... why wouldn't the just build unslung ipkgs? |
| 06:33.31 | rwhitby-web | This is the forum thread. They seem to be selling a disk. http://www.mpeg-playcenter.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=3383#32257 |
| 06:34.31 | rpedde | more power to them, I guess. |
| 06:34.35 | rwhitby-web | they talk to the Kiss box via NBD. |
| 06:35.10 | rpedde | Yeah, but that's all they have... they have a bunch of guides that essentially do nothing more than install one package. the kiss server. |
| 06:35.56 | rpedde | plus some other stuff that's already in unslung -- upgraded busybox, etc. and the howto is crosstool-ing and copying binaries to random places on the slug. |
| 06:36.45 | rpedde | just curious, I guess, since the template .mk files do everything except search the web to find where the tarball of the package you are trying to build is. serious kudos to everyone working on the template. it rocks now. |
| 06:38.05 | rwhitby-web | rpedde: thx - we wondered why you were releasing stuff on your site instead of just adding it to CROSS_PACKAGES_TO_BE_TESTED ;-) |
| 06:38.52 | rpedde | i don't have a good answer for that. :/ |
| 06:39.44 | ka6sox-office | rwhitby-web: the UPS goes back tommorrow. |
| 06:39.48 | ka6sox-office | its the culprit. |
| 06:40.13 | rwhitby-web | good thing we got that warranty, hey ;-) |
| 06:40.55 | ka6sox-office | yeah...Warranty good (and I have the receipt here all ready for it) |
| 06:44.10 | jacques | wow |
| 06:44.18 | jacques | UPS is such a simple device relatively too |
| 06:44.33 | jacques | curious - what brand / model is it? |
| 06:44.38 | ka6sox-office | yeah...it failed |
| 06:44.40 | rwhitby-web | another one: http://www.mpeg-playcenter.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=2833#21387 - this time it's porting a japanese media server to the slug |
| 06:44.42 | ka6sox-office | APC |
| 06:44.57 | ka6sox-office | 600watt unit. |
| 06:44.58 | jacques | hmm, same as all of mine |
| 06:45.07 | jacques | well mine are all 1500's |
| 06:45.33 | ka6sox-office | next wednesday I'm getting new batteries for all of mine :-) |
| 06:45.51 | ka6sox-office | jacques, please test getting into the Cross and Native machines? |
| 06:46.05 | jacques | `k - testing |
| 06:46.58 | jacques | I can login to nudi no problem |
| 06:47.09 | jacques | i forgot the other name - it isn't gastro anymore is it ? |
| 06:47.17 | ka6sox-office | it is |
| 06:47.31 | jacques | hmm, well it's pingable but not listening on port 22 |
| 06:48.02 | ka6sox-office | okay let me reboot. |
| 06:48.03 | jacques | so apparently sshd isn't running |
| 06:48.12 | ka6sox-office | razenfratzen thing. |
| 06:50.08 | ka6sox-office | try now. |
| 06:50.30 | jacques | still not listening on port 22 |
| 06:50.37 | ka6sox-office | arrrrrgh |
| 06:50.41 | jacques | oops sorry it is |
| 06:51.23 | jacques | now it's not pingable |
| 06:51.30 | jacques | did you reboot again ? |
| 06:52.03 | jacques | ok it's respinding to pings |
| 06:52.55 | ka6sox-office | try now. |
| 06:53.01 | ka6sox-office | it booted normally this time. |
| 06:53.02 | jacques | and I'm in |
| 06:53.09 | ka6sox-office | sweet |
| 06:53.42 | jacques | :-) |
| 06:53.49 | jacques | thanks for going in to the office |
| 06:54.55 | jacques | lol, the slug has more processes running after boot than the athlon box |
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| 06:58.39 | ka6sox-office | rwhitby-web: ping |
| 07:04.17 | rwhitby-web | pong |
| 07:06.14 | ka6sox-office | okay they are back |
| 07:06.30 | ka6sox-office | and you have already unpacked all the firmware source |
| 07:07.07 | ka6sox-office | I'm looking for the .configure file for the kernel to add the necessary stuffs to allow us to use usbaudio. |
| 07:07.52 | ka6sox-office | is there anything else you want the wl500g to do that I can enable in the kernel? |
| 07:18.29 | rwhitby-web | I think audio support might already be in there. |
| 07:18.44 | rwhitby-web | look in /home/wl500g/firmware/broadcom/src/linux/.config |
| 07:18.48 | ka6sox-office | okay. |
| 07:23.00 | ka6sox-office | yeah..usbaudio is a module |
| 07:23.06 | ka6sox-office | but no devices |
| 07:24.45 | ka6sox-office | this just may work out of the box. |
| 07:25.33 | ka6sox-office | are you building the firmware? |
| 07:33.42 | rpedde | That's it for me. G'nite, all. |
| 07:33.53 | ka6sox-office | nite rpedde |
| 07:34.12 | rpedde | good luck, ka6sox. |
| 07:34.26 | rwhitby-web | heh - they just gave me "MPC Dev" status on that forum :-) |
| 07:34.37 | rwhitby-web | ka6sox-away: I built it already in that area. |
| 07:34.39 | ka6sox-office | MPC dev? |
| 07:34.47 | ka6sox-office | okay what is building now? |
| 07:37.38 | ka6sox-office | bbiab...headed home. |
| 07:39.32 | rwhitby-web | openslug is building now |
| 07:40.11 | rwhitby-web | ka6sox-office: http://www.mpeg-playcenter.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=4373 |
| 07:49.42 | rwhitby-web | peteru-home: wonder if someone could do a NBD for the toppy? That's what they use for accessing the internal disk on the KiSS players running the modded firmware. |
| 07:57.12 | rwhitby-web | correction on the mpeg-playcenter software - they are not selling it - it's all open source and free. |
| 07:59.22 | rwhitby-web | back later |
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| 12:37.38 | rwhitby | [g2]: running openslug on a serial-less slug .... |
| 12:38.04 | rwhitby | in fact, on a slug who's case has never been opened .... |
| 12:42.17 | [g2] | rwhitby, my build system is serial less |
| 12:42.42 | [g2] | that being my native build system :) |
| 12:43.36 | [g2] | actually, I've been debating whether to reflash my serial less or serial slug with APEX |
| 12:44.42 | [g2] | on the avila board I've been reflashing mtdblock0 a bunch straight from Linux |
| 12:45.09 | [g2] | I toggle between different bootloader version by just reflashing |
| 12:45.47 | rwhitby | well, I've replaced my serial accessslug with a new serial-less accessslug (cause it will have very rare firmware upgrades), and put the serial slug into service as mediaslug. Then the 34-way connector slug will become the APEX guinea pig |
| 12:46.09 | [g2] | neat |
| 12:46.16 | [g2] | maybe you' |
| 12:46.27 | [g2] | maybe you'll actually get to test the JTAG :) |
| 12:46.33 | rwhitby | maybe :-) |
| 12:46.57 | rwhitby | bbiab, have to reboot router |
| 12:47.02 | [g2] | nod |
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| 14:07.06 | neuronlapse | Hi, I've just unslung my nslu2, and I have a couple of questions. Is there a need (or is it even possible) to upgrade the kernel on the nslu2? |
| 14:07.24 | neuronlapse | (without updating the firmware?) |
| 14:07.43 | neuronlapse | I'm thinking security-wise |
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| 14:15.53 | NAiL | Is mysql-native failing to build only on my box? |
| 14:20.41 | jp30 | NAiL, you are asking about openslug? |
| 14:24.53 | NAiL | hmm... yes. I am. |
| 14:41.54 | CIA-9 | 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/php-apache.mk: php-apache: force look for headers in STAGING_INCLUDE_DIR/apache2 |
| 14:46.16 | CIA-9 | 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/php.mk: php: depend on and stage gdbm |
| 14:47.17 | jp30 | g'morning, rwhitby |
| 14:47.24 | rwhitby | morning |
| 14:48.04 | jp30 | i'm making some progress with seperating php from apache |
| 14:48.25 | rwhitby | any showstoppers? |
| 14:49.01 | jp30 | ... well, having some teething troubles compiling on official build system, should be straightened out soon... |
| 14:49.25 | jp30 | and a problem with makefiles |
| 14:49.54 | jp30 | you might be able to help. i want PHP_APACHE_VERSION always equal to PHP_VERSION... |
| 14:50.11 | rwhitby | yep |
| 14:50.43 | jp30 | so it put PHP_APACHE_VERSION=$(PHP_VERSION) in php.mk. but this causes trouble... |
| 14:50.53 | rwhitby | what trouble? |
| 14:51.40 | jp30 | it seems that under some circumstances, because php-apache.mk is included before php.mk, PHP_APACHE_VERSION ends up undefined. |
| 14:52.07 | rwhitby | as long as you don't use := then it shouldn't do that |
| 14:52.34 | jp30 | that's what i thought, too! |
| 14:52.51 | rwhitby | is it the version checked in now? |
| 14:52.53 | ka6sox-away | morning...everythingup? |
| 14:54.00 | jp30 | rwhitby, no i checked into a version that repeats the version number. let me just check that i can reproduce the problem this morning... |
| 14:54.11 | rwhitby | ok |
| 14:56.12 | jp30 | (still checking) as i recall, the problem only showed up when variables are expanded inside the target of a makefile rule |
| 14:58.54 | rwhitby | hmm - yeah I could understand how that could be the case |
| 14:59.59 | jp30 | ok, i can reproduce the problem. change the definition of PHP_APACHE_VERSION in php-apache.mk to $(PHP_VERSION), and you'll see it during ipkg creation |
| 15:00.47 | jp30 | you'll see something like... |
| 15:00.49 | jp30 | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/mnt-usr/home/jp30/src/unslung/builds/php-apache-5.0.3-ipk/CONTROL/control'. Stop. |
| 15:01.30 | jp30 | this because $(PHP_APACHE_VERSION) was empty when the rule to create control was read |
| 15:01.56 | rwhitby | BTW, php.mk is missing an openssl-stage |
| 15:02.44 | rwhitby | I'll have to look at it tomorrow - it's after midnight here now ... |
| 15:03.38 | jp30 | re openssl, thanx, will fix that. re makefiles, let me know if you have any ideas |
| 15:03.56 | rwhitby | ok, I will try it out tomorrow unless you've solved it first. |
| 15:05.45 | CIA-9 | 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/php.mk: php: stage openssl |
| 15:06.17 | rwhitby | BTW, what is DBA, and how does it get staged? |
| 15:06.41 | rwhitby | (-- enable-dba=shared) |
| 15:06.58 | rwhitby | configure: error: DBA: Could not find necessary header file(s). |
| 15:08.03 | jp30 | ah, you're having that problem as well. dba is the name of a php module that depends on finding one of several possible dbs, including gdbm. i'm working on that problem now |
| 15:08.14 | rwhitby | ok, cool |
| 15:08.53 | jp30 | php produces frustratingly little information when its configure fails :( |
| 15:09.18 | rwhitby | do we just need libdb-stage and gdbm-stage ? |
| 15:09.46 | jp30 | great minds think alike - checking if libdb-stage helps now |
| 15:11.01 | rwhitby | ok, will check again tomorrow and see whether things are in place to build php with thttpd support, and a separated thttpd and php package ... |
| 15:11.21 | rwhitby | now that my hardware is in place, I can also help get those packages in shape. |
| 15:11.42 | rwhitby | as well as help the MPC guys get their KiSS server stuff into Unslung. |
| 15:18.59 | CIA-9 | 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/php.mk: php: remove gratuitous shared from with-gdbm, with-db4 configure opts |
| 15:40.07 | NAiL | heh |
| 15:40.12 | NAiL | oops, wrong win |
| 16:22.40 | CIA-9 | 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/php.mk: php: clean up obseleted native stuff, stage and depend on libdb |
| 16:27.27 | CIA-9 | 03jp30 * 10unslung/Makefile: add -O2 to TARGET_OPTIMIZATION |
| 16:30.13 | CIA-9 | 03jp30 * 10unslung/Makefile: avoid trying to set time on packages directory when uploading |
| 16:32.28 | CIA-9 | 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/w3m.mk: w3m: force link with libdl and libpthread |
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| 19:46.14 | jeanfabrice | jp30-work: ping |
| 19:46.47 | NAiL | PONG |
| 19:46.54 | jeanfabrice | nail ? |
| 19:47.09 | NAiL | just... bored ;) |
| 19:47.37 | jeanfabrice | ok. nobody's there ? ;) |
| 19:48.52 | NAiL | nobody has said anything for a few hours, no |
| 19:49.14 | NAiL | They're probably just hiding :) |
| 19:49.33 | jeanfabrice | well. wanna talk a bit ? get bored with TV, too. |
| 19:49.42 | NAiL | hehe |
| 19:50.16 | NAiL | Do you know why the Packages file isn't updated with the packages I compile for openslug? ;) |
| 19:52.22 | jeanfabrice | In what Makefile section did you put your package ? |
| 19:52.44 | jeanfabrice | CROSS_PACKAGES_READY_FOR_TESTING ? |
| 19:53.03 | NAiL | I haven't added any packages. But bash (amongst ofthers) is built, but not added to the Packages |
| 19:53.49 | NAiL | (ok, well.. I added samba in OPENSLUG_PACKAGES) |
| 19:55.16 | jeanfabrice | I think you were talking about unslung, sorry. Don't have any knowledge about openslug |
| 19:55.32 | NAiL | ah, ok |
| 20:21.27 | NAiL | Hmm.. This one was new... |
| 20:21.58 | NAiL | scsi0 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device |
| 20:24.17 | ka6sox-office | jeanfabrice, any chance we can get the vorbis stuff running on Wl500G? |
| 20:27.04 | jeanfabrice | ka6sox-office: don't know, haven't take a look at it now |
| 20:27.15 | ka6sox-office | thanks! |
| 20:28.56 | jeanfabrice | got a lot of trouble having libgd from unslung working on wl500g. it depends on fontconfig which depends on gconv-module which doesn't exist for wl500g. jp30 : is gconv-module mandatory for fontconfig ? |
| 20:40.31 | CIA-9 | 03jeanfabrice * 10unslung/make/fontconfig.mk: Remove gconv-modules dependency as it seems to be dummy and forbid installation on wl500g |
| 20:45.24 | jeanfabrice | ka6sox-office: what vorbis stuff are you talking about exactly ? |
| 20:46.20 | ka6sox-office | vorbis-tools, libvorbisidec, |
| 20:46.33 | jeanfabrice | it builds fine on my dev machine |
| 20:46.52 | jeanfabrice | Should I promote them into wl500g section ? |
| 20:46.58 | ka6sox-office | yes please |
| 20:47.23 | ka6sox-office | also sqlite2 |
| 20:47.42 | jeanfabrice | does it build ? |
| 20:52.05 | ka6sox-office | it does for NSLU2 |
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| 21:11.21 | jeanfabrice | rwhitby-away: ping |
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| 21:26.25 | jp30-work | jeanfabrice, belated pong |
| 21:27.14 | jeanfabrice | hi jp30 |
| 21:28.00 | jeanfabrice | well, I'm in trouble porting some packages you wrote to wl500g. can I ask for support ? |
| 21:28.12 | jp30-work | sure, what's the trouble? |
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| 21:29.05 | jeanfabrice | first : is gconv-modules still needed in some packages ? like fontconfig, libgd, because I can't install them on wl500g |
| 21:29.32 | jeanfabrice | and gconv-modules seems to do nothing but creating dirs |
| 21:30.59 | jp30-work | gconv-modules contains bits of glibc that are missing from the linksys and unslung firmwares... packages depend on it if they won't work without a functioning iconv. |
| 21:31.19 | jp30-work | does wl500g have a working iconv() function in glibc? |
| 21:31.44 | jeanfabrice | it uses uclibc |
| 21:32.49 | jp30-work | i see. |
| 21:33.46 | jp30-work | could we make gconv-modules a dummy module on wl500g? |
| 21:34.01 | jp30-work | ...i mean, it would exist, but be empty |
| 21:34.11 | jp30-work | s/module/package/ |
| 21:34.51 | jeanfabrice | well, we can try. I will try it then |
| 21:35.18 | jp30-work | ok, let me know if that causes any trouble |
| 21:35.27 | jp30-work | ...or if you can think of a better way |
| 21:35.39 | jp30-work | we should also coordinate over php at some point |
| 21:35.42 | jeanfabrice | let me correct the change I - erroneous - make on fontconfig (deleting gconv-modules dependency) |
| 21:38.31 | CIA-9 | 03jeanfabrice * 10unslung/make/fontconfig.mk: Add gconv-modules dependency |
| 21:39.59 | jeanfabrice | other wuestion I have is : fontconfig install is called with -s (strip). it breaks on nudi as strip is called against a mipsel binary. is it normal ? |
| 21:40.23 | jp30-work | let me have a look... |
| 21:41.28 | jp30-work | are you autoreconfing fontconfig with automake 1.9? |
| 21:41.36 | jp30-work | ...before configuring it? |
| 21:41.54 | jeanfabrice | no I discard this as it breaks for me |
| 21:42.29 | jp30-work | install-strip is broken with automake < 1.5, that's the trouble |
| 21:42.57 | jp30-work | what happens when you try to autoreconf fontconfig? |
| 21:43.12 | jeanfabrice | ok. can't we use the arch strip command instead ? like mipsel-uclibc-strip for mispel ? don't you have one for arm ? |
| 21:43.34 | ka6sox-office | automake (GNU automake) 1.4-p6 |
| 21:43.44 | jp30-work | yes we can, that's what automake 1.5 and greater do. |
| 21:43.48 | jeanfabrice | got 1.4-p4 on debian |
| 21:44.05 | ka6sox-office | jp30-work, should I install a later version on Nudi? |
| 21:44.24 | jeanfabrice | nudi seems to have 1.9, no ? |
| 21:44.27 | jp30-work | ka6sox, it's there already, it's just that the default version is 1.4 |
| 21:44.28 | ka6sox-office | no |
| 21:44.40 | ka6sox-office | okay so we need to change the link? |
| 21:45.05 | jp30-work | no, the safe way to invoke aclocal and automake is with an explicit version |
| 21:45.10 | jp30-work | ...like this aclocal-1.9 |
| 21:45.30 | jp30-work | having the link point to a borken version of automake encourages this :) |
| 21:45.44 | jeanfabrice | jp30-work : I meant : use $(TARGET-STRIP) then install |
| 21:45.48 | ka6sox-office | so unless a ramdom builder will have to have the *exact* version or it will break. |
| 21:46.03 | ka6sox-office | that was disjointed |
| 21:46.11 | jp30-work | ka6sox, that's the intention |
| 21:46.18 | ka6sox-office | okay |
| 21:46.29 | jp30-work | jeanfabrice, good idea |
| 21:46.45 | jeanfabrice | this is less powerfull, I agree |
| 21:47.56 | jp30-work | in the case of fontconfig it simplifies things as there's no other reason to autoreconf |
| 21:48.18 | jeanfabrice | Can't find automake 1-9 either in testing or stable for debian :( |
| 21:48.24 | jp30-work | ...though you will need multiple different versions of automake installed to build all the unslung packages anyway |
| 21:48.33 | jp30-work | ...there are others that require automake 1.4 |
| 21:48.56 | jacques | heh |
| 21:49.07 | jp30-work | i think rwhitby installed it on the official build machine |
| 21:52.55 | jp30-work | ka6sox, second thought about explicit automake versions, random builder doesn't have to have exactly the same version, just same major/minor - automake's version numbers have three components |
| 21:53.17 | ka6sox-office | automake 1.4 and automake 1.9 are installed. |
| 21:53.35 | ka6sox-office | jp30-work, okay understood. |
| 21:55.12 | jeanfabrice | so, what do we do for fontconfig ? I didn't know about autoconf (I'm really newbie, hey) so if you look at the mk, I made an if/then/else for discarding the def. of AUTOMAKE when building for wl500g (I thought it was a problem on my machine but commited the file without paying attention) |
| 21:56.05 | jp30-work | well, since this problem is going to keep happening otherwise, why don't you look at installing automake 1.9 on your system? |
| 21:56.17 | jeanfabrice | You're right. |
| 21:56.23 | jeanfabrice | Have to find one |
| 21:57.01 | jp30-work | on fedora the different version packages are called automake14, automake16, etc. |
| 21:57.53 | ka6sox-office | jeanfabrice, automake1.9 is available in testing. |
| 21:58.04 | jp30-work | if all else fails, you can install it from source |
| 21:58.16 | ka6sox-office | it is available from testing |
| 21:59.23 | jeanfabrice | ka6sox-office: finally found it as automake1.9, yes |
| 22:00.11 | ka6sox-office | jeanfabrice, good. |
| 22:00.29 | jeanfabrice | ty |
| 22:00.32 | ka6sox-office | np |
| 22:00.35 | jp30-work | does anyone here know about libbt? looks like it is the work of mkoster1 and rwhitby; it is failing to build at the mo |
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| 22:03.01 | ka6sox-office | libbt is for bittorrent stuff. |
| 22:03.15 | ka6sox-office | I remember there was a large discussion about that. |
| 22:03.26 | ka6sox-office | perlguru is mkoster. |
| 22:03.37 | ka6sox-office | so next time you see him he would be the one to ask. |
| 22:04.17 | jp30-work | thanks, ka6sox. i think i will demote and slugbug it |
| 22:05.51 | ka6sox-office | jp30-work, good plan |
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| 22:10.27 | ka6sox-office | assign it to perlguru and i'm sure that rwhitby will see it. |
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| 22:22.09 | jacques | i wish tbr1-p012301.sffca.ip.att.net would fix their damn routing problem |
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| 22:28.34 | joeyDviv1 | any developers feel like answering a few questions from an 'end-user'? Never seems to be any love over in the #nslu2-general channel... |
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| 22:32.16 | jeanfabrice | jp30-work: wanna talk on php package ? |
| 22:34.53 | jp30-work | jeanfabrice, sure |
| 22:36.19 | jeanfabrice | well, I'm focusing on php support for thttpd. Have seen your great work on php, apache and php-apache. php can be build for apache using apxs. thttpd doesn't have such convenience |
| 22:37.01 | jp30-work | how does php work with thttpd - i take it its not just a cgi script? |
| 22:37.39 | jeanfabrice | nop. it built with thttpd as you only get one binary at the ed of the build |
| 22:38.34 | jp30-work | does php's "dl" mechanism work with thttpd? |
| 22:39.04 | jeanfabrice | you have to tell php where to find thttpd source at configure & build time. It then install a lib into thttpd source and patches thttpd source to build using this lib |
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| 22:41.03 | jeanfabrice | don't really know as I built php for thttpd with module in it (not shared) |
| 22:41.14 | jeanfabrice | Haven't make too much test on it |
| 22:41.38 | jp30-work | i see. well, it looks like all we really need to do is check that your build of thttpd+php reads the /opt/etc/php.ini and shared extensions build by php.mk |
| 22:42.06 | jeanfabrice | as a test you mean ? |
| 22:43.17 | jp30-work | well, the difficult part of building php is getting all the extensions working. the way i've done it, php.mk does that, and php-apache (and thttpd+php) just take advantage |
| 22:43.38 | jp30-work | ...of the php environment installed by php.mk |
| 22:44.09 | jeanfabrice | but I'll still need to have thttpd build with php support in one mk, no ? |
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| 22:44.52 | jeanfabrice | and tweak it a bit to allow shared extension |
| 22:44.55 | jp30-work | if what you say is true about how thttpd and php work together, yeah |
| 22:46.00 | jp30-work | there's no way to do what rwhitby wanted, i think, and have one php module that works with all httpds |
| 22:47.12 | rwhitby-away | jp30-work: I saw in the php build that it looks for thttpd sources |
| 22:47.13 | jp30-work | at least the way we're doing it now, your thttpdphp doesn't have to depend on (libgd, openssl, ldap, imap, freetype etc etc) |
| 22:47.36 | rwhitby-away | can't we just point it to them, and have php build for both CGI usage and thttpd shared object? |
| 22:48.03 | rwhitby-away | (them being the thttpd sources) |
| 22:48.30 | rwhitby-away | jp30-work: BTW, my php build stops cause it's missing a cyrus-imapd-stage |
| 22:48.43 | jp30-work | php needs to be configured at least twice, once for apache, once for thttpd. cleanest way to do that is to have two .mks. i think |
| 22:49.00 | rwhitby-away | jp30-work: I also saw in the php configure something to do with making it an apache DSO instead of command line CGI |
| 22:49.13 | jp30-work | php shouldn't depend on cyrus-imapd yet? |
| 22:49.29 | jp30-work | yes, php-apache builds the apache DSO |
| 22:49.43 | jp30-work | ...and depends on php to provide the php extensions |
| 22:49.43 | rwhitby-away | oh, sorry: checking for LDAP Cyrus SASL support... /home/unslung/packages/staging/opt |
| 22:49.43 | rwhitby-away | configure: error: Cannot find ldap.h |
| 22:50.07 | jp30-work | ok, will fix |
| 22:50.17 | rwhitby-away | ok, so we can have a php-httpd which builds the thttpd thingo, and have it depend on php for the extensions too |
| 22:50.30 | jp30-work | lots of stagings got lost because it used to be that they were implied by apache-stage |
| 22:50.44 | rwhitby-away | but still have thttpd as a separate package from php-thttpd |
| 22:51.05 | rwhitby-away | and still have php-thttp, php-apache and php all synchronised |
| 22:51.22 | jp30-work | i think jeanfabrice is saying that thttpd doesn't support php as a DSO, only statically linked with thtttpd |
| 22:51.39 | jeanfabrice | that's what I see for now |
| 22:51.48 | jp30-work | synchronisation we can do, subject to the makefile problem we discussed yesterday |
| 22:51.54 | jeanfabrice | thttpd+php is a single binary |
| 22:52.21 | rwhitby-away | jeanfabrice: have you looked at the PHP configure script where it says "checking for thttpd" ? |
| 22:52.44 | rwhitby-away | I'm just guessing about all this - I haven't examined all the files yet. |
| 22:52.57 | jeanfabrice | yep. it just looks for config.h |
| 22:53.04 | jeanfabrice | of thttpd |
| 22:53.50 | rwhitby-away | so doesn't that build something independent of the thttpd binary? |
| 22:53.56 | jeanfabrice | but patches thttpd source at install time (make install under php source) and installs its static lib under thttpd source |
| 22:54.11 | rwhitby-away | aha |
| 22:54.14 | jeanfabrice | :) |
| 22:54.44 | jeanfabrice | would be too simple... |
| 22:54.52 | rwhitby-away | ok, then can we rename thttpdphp to php-thttpd and synchronise it ? |
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| 22:54.58 | CIA-9 | 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/php.mk: php: stage openldap |
| 22:55.10 | jeanfabrice | maybe some info about SAPI for thttpd on php.net... |
| 22:55.25 | jp30-work | you'd be lucky |
| 22:55.42 | jeanfabrice | okay :( |
| 22:56.12 | jeanfabrice | rwhitby-away: yes, but not now for me... need to go to bed oon |
| 22:56.16 | rwhitby-away | and have it also synchronise with a standalone thttpd too, and make it CONFLICT with the stand-alone thttpd |
| 22:56.35 | jeanfabrice | it already confils with thttpd normally ;) |
| 22:56.46 | jp30-work | don't let me stop you looking... i just remember what a pain it was to figure out how to make extensions as DSOs. php.net's documentation not so good |
| 22:56.49 | rwhitby-away | ok, when I ask for stuff like this it's not necessarily a request to do the work, just a request to tell me if it's a good idea to do it that way :-) |
| 22:57.08 | jeanfabrice | it's a good idea. |
| 22:57.51 | rwhitby-away | ok, so let's get php-thttpd to build the static binary now, and in the future it could be upgraded to build something shared and then depend on thttpd instead of conflicting with it |
| 22:58.06 | rwhitby-away | (if we work out how to do the shared thing) |
| 22:58.11 | jeanfabrice | my english is not very good (as everybody can see) so sometimes my sentences may be considered as 'brutal' but they are not. |
| 22:58.27 | jp30-work | sounds good to me. |
| 22:58.36 | rwhitby-away | jeanfabrice: your english is better than my <insert your native language here> |
| 22:58.55 | jeanfabrice | not sure ;) |
| 22:59.41 | rwhitby-away | jp30-work: do all the php extensions take up RAM if you're not using them? or are they true shared on-demand libraries? |
| 22:59.44 | jeanfabrice | well anything else than renaming the package ? jp3 was talking on relying on it's php.mk builts extensions |
| 22:59.57 | jeanfabrice | jp30, sorry |
| 23:00.01 | jp30-work | excuse me, phone |
| 23:00.27 | rwhitby-away | jeanfabrice: if we can make it work the same as the php-apache, then that would be good. |
| 23:01.01 | jeanfabrice | php-apache use apxs facility of apache |
| 23:02.03 | jp30-work | ok, i'm back. i think it's important to try to offload php extensions from php-apache/thttpd to php. for one thing, later on there will be php-native-modules.mk as well |
| 23:02.12 | rwhitby-away | jf: sorry, I meant in response to your question about php-httpd using php extensions |
| 23:02.42 | rwhitby-away | if the extensions are independent of thttpd/apache, then I think it's a good thing to put them separate |
| 23:03.40 | jp30-work | rwhitby, agreed |
| 23:04.43 | rwhitby-away | again, if it can't be done that way for thttpd because of the static binary thing, then just do them in php-thttpd, and make it conflict with the php-modules packages instead of depending on them |
| 23:05.03 | jeanfabrice | ok. Will work on php-thttpd to have it use shared extensions |
| 23:05.43 | rwhitby-away | great job guys! Do we also have consensus on all the pathnames in the config files, like DocumentRoot etc. |
| 23:06.19 | rwhitby-away | i.e. /opt/share/www ..... |
| 23:06.22 | jeanfabrice | I'vre read /opt/share/www pat in this forum (maybe you rod) |
| 23:06.29 | jeanfabrice | so it's ok for me |
| 23:06.40 | jeanfabrice | waht about PEAR ? |
| 23:06.54 | jp30-work | rwhitby, /opt/share/www is ok by me |
| 23:07.01 | rwhitby-away | it would be great to be able to install both php-thttpd and php-apache, and have them both serve from the same document tree ... |
| 23:07.03 | jp30-work | jf, pear is native-only, working on it |
| 23:08.38 | jp30-work | well, thinking about working on it. i had this idea that i would split php.mk once again into php.mk and php-native-modules.mk |
| 23:08.48 | jeanfabrice | Have to first promote php to wl500, it if compiles |
| 23:09.10 | jeanfabrice | First have to.. |
| 23:11.35 | jeanfabrice | and make php-thttpd depends on jp30's php (using its /opt/etc/php.ini and its extensions), correct ? |
| 23:12.21 | rwhitby-away | ok, back later |
| 23:13.25 | jp30-work | jf, yes. make sure you use --enable-layout=GNU, and don't overwrite /opt/etc/php.ini |
| 23:14.11 | jeanfabrice | what is the GNU layout exactly ? |
| 23:14.16 | jp30-work | oh, and all the --disables and --withouts from php-apache.mk so you don't build in anything which php.mk builds as a DSO |
| 23:15.25 | jp30-work | i used the gnu layout with php because that's what i did with apache |
| 23:16.27 | jp30-work | ...not sure what the differences are from the default php behavior |
| 23:16.42 | jeanfabrice | ok |
| 23:16.58 | jp30-work | ...but the default apache layout is horrendous, all under $prefix/lib/apache or something |
| 23:17.49 | jeanfabrice | does php layout works the same as apache layout (which I know) : I've never use layout with php... |
| 23:18.53 | jp30-work | i think it's intended to. if you have firm views, we can change php.mk |
| 23:19.47 | jp30-work | the reason i mentioned it was that i was worried that without --with-layout=GNU, php.ini might end up somewhere other than $prefix/etc |
| 23:20.59 | jeanfabrice | I see. I forced it to be it /opt/etc/php.ini as configure parameter |
| 23:21.21 | jeanfabrice | using --with-config-file=/opt/etc |
| 23:21.34 | jp30-work | ok. that's extra safe |
| 23:22.48 | jeanfabrice | ok. building your php.mk to get the extensions. Will work on php-thttpd this week-end |
| 23:23.07 | jp30-work | cool. thanks for your hard work |
| 23:23.36 | jeanfabrice | ty you ! ;) |
| 23:25.08 | rwhitby-away | thank you both! |
| 23:26.18 | rwhitby-away | jp30-work: if you're not doing it already, perhaps we can use the conf.d directory in apache2 to only load and configure (and depend upon) big modules if they are requested. |
| 23:26.50 | rwhitby-away | e.g. if I'm running apache and don't want to use LDAP, then I shouldn't need to have slapd running just cause apache depends on the ldap stuff by default |
| 23:27.25 | rwhitby-away | not sure if it's doable, but we need to have minimal RAM footprint implementations by default, with automatic usage of other things that are already installed (or are chosen to be installed). |
| 23:28.00 | rwhitby-away | at the moment, my personal opinion is that apache depends on too much stuff. But it is the first round, so the tweaking like this is yet to come ... |
| 23:29.09 | jp30-work | agreed, but the only way to fix this is to break apache up into multiple packages (ie seperate packages for seperate modules) |
| 23:29.19 | rwhitby-away | yeah - we can do that later. |
| 23:29.33 | rwhitby-away | just keep it in mind as the long-term direction |
| 23:30.14 | rwhitby-away | we can group packages to have a minimal install and a full install as a first step. may not need to go to individual module granularity |
| 23:30.33 | jp30-work | conf.d is used to only load modules that are installed; my feeling is that the config files should offer max functionality by default |
| 23:30.52 | rwhitby-away | I think anything which causes another process to run (like the ldap stuff) should eventually be in a separate package |
| 23:31.33 | jp30-work | openldap should probably be split into openldap-libs and openldap-daemon |
| 23:31.37 | rwhitby-away | we can "suggests" max functionality, but should only "depends" min functionality. |
| 23:32.03 | rwhitby-away | ah, yes - that's the other way to do it. |
| 23:32.26 | jp30-work | rwhitby, i'm expecting a phone call, back in 20 minutes |
| 23:32.28 | rwhitby-away | new error from php build: |
| 23:32.33 | rwhitby-away | . /usr/lib/libxml2.so: could not read symbols: File in wrong format |
| 23:32.33 | rwhitby-away | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 23:32.37 | rwhitby-away | ok, bye |
| 23:33.20 | jp30-work | last thing :) - this error on official system? |
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| 23:33.50 | jp30-work | if not, do you have a /usr/lib/libxml2.la? |
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| 23:47.21 | beemer | hmm |
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| 23:59.03 | CIA-9 | 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/xemacs.mk: xemacs: fix depends |