| 00:09.30 | nettie | anyone know what's going to happend to OE after the BK torubles? |
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| 00:36.02 | ka6sox-office | nettie: no word yet. |
| 00:56.06 | jacques | yeah I'm rather curious about that myself |
| 00:57.04 | rwhitby-web | nettie: OE will just move to another CM system, and we will move with them. |
| 00:57.39 | rwhitby-web | kergoth is evaluating different alternatives now - we've got until July to move. |
| 01:02.20 | rwhitby-web | In reality the stuff we use BK for in nslu2-linux could be done with just about any CM system which is at least as good as CVS or SVN. The only thing we would miss is the two-step nature of pushing stuff to nslu2-linux and then kergoth pulling it into oe proper. |
| 01:07.38 | CIA-9 | 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/libbt.mk: fix libbt build |
| 01:19.17 | kergoth | how's that? |
| 01:19.46 | kergoth | you getting changes from us is far, far, far, far less painful with a peer to peer system like bk or tla than with anything else, since your repo can easily be just a branch of ours |
| 01:19.57 | kergoth | cvs or svn would be a huge pain in the ass, and that's understating it |
| 01:20.14 | jacques | hi kergoth |
| 01:20.27 | rwhitby-web | kergoth: I don't think any of the nslu2-linux users keep multiple clones. we all just sync to the nslu2-linux clone. |
| 01:20.33 | kergoth | ? |
| 01:20.35 | kergoth | you're not listening. |
| 01:20.43 | kergoth | the nslu2-linux oe repo is a clone of ours |
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| 01:20.46 | kergoth | i dont give a shit what users do |
| 01:20.55 | kergoth | i'm talking about how changes flow between nslu2-linux and upstream oe |
| 01:20.57 | kergoth | and back |
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| 01:21.10 | kergoth | with a client/server based system like cvs or svn, your tree wouldnt be a branch of ours |
| 01:21.15 | kergoth | so you'd have to pull the changes over manually. |
| 01:21.18 | kergoth | likely via diff/patch. |
| 01:21.56 | rwhitby-web | kergoth: I'm not stating what you should decide (which would obviously need to be much more sophisticated than CVS or SVN). I was stating that nslu2-linux people have much less sophisticated needs,. and so anything you decide will be more than good enough for us. |
| 01:22.21 | kergoth | your _users_ have limited needs of your repo |
| 01:22.27 | kergoth | your repo has more advanced needs, to stay in sync with us. |
| 01:22.39 | rwhitby-web | yes, that is exactly what I was saying. |
| 01:22.59 | jbowler | I think my previous observation got lost... I'm workign on nslu2-linux with two working repos and four active (non-backup) ones... |
| 01:23.01 | rwhitby-web | thanks for putting it more concisely :-) |
| 01:23.31 | jbowler | My needs certainly go beyond CVS - if I use remote CVS I loose local source managment! |
| 01:23.49 | rwhitby-web | jbowler: agreed |
| 01:25.03 | jbowler | I really like bk, but monotone seems equivalent (I don't care about the GUI) - it seems to me that the OS development community will have bk-equivalent functionality by July. |
| 01:26.36 | rwhitby-web | anyway, I'm happy to leave the decision in kergoth's capable hands, and just follow whatever OE does. |
| 01:27.15 | rwhitby-web | (as long as he doesn't decide to use ClearCase :-) |
| 01:28.05 | jbowler | Or require everyone to buy a bk license ;-) |
| 01:28.36 | rwhitby-web | how much is an individual bk license? |
| 01:30.06 | jbowler | What is it anyway? Per seat or per server (to use the MS licensing terminology) - i.e. per user or per-repostitory? |
| 01:31.06 | jbowler | Still, this is moot - McVoy seemed to be happy to give $0 licenses to kernel dev, so long as they didn't work at OSDL. |
| 01:35.38 | rwhitby-web | what's the definition of "kernel dev" ? |
| 01:36.04 | jbowler | per user, $2600/seat (negotiable?) http://www.linux-mag.com/content/view/457/2244/ |
| 01:36.24 | jbowler | kernel dev = (I believe) write access to kernel (sp?).bkbits.net |
| 01:37.50 | rwhitby-web | $2600 per year. |
| 01:38.45 | jbowler | The article isn't clear - I think that's $2600/year/seat, which means $13000/seat outright purchase |
| 01:39.16 | jbowler | The McVoy comment is: Larry suggested, "if Linus and Andrew and the others moved elsewhere, we'd glady comp them licenses", referring to their current employment with OSDL''' from http://kerneltrap.org/node/4966 |
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| 01:39.42 | jacques | maybe now linux will start using a true open source solution |
| 01:40.35 | jbowler | That's a certainty - the April 6 Torvalds posting said that he was spending a week off line testing out what to use... |
| 01:41.43 | jacques | cool |
| 01:43.44 | jbowler | There's a non-SCM aspect too - bkbits.net provides a good, high perf, high reliability central server. Whatever people use in place of it won't be as good (sourceforge?) |
| 01:50.22 | jbowler | [g2]: my depmod(etc) fix means that RDEPENDS += kernel-module-vfat automatically pulls in kernel-module-fat, I'd like to simplify the openslug-image packages and move the file system stuff to .conf to simplify local configuration - thoughts? |
| 01:55.04 | rwhitby-web | jbowler: the idea is that openslug-image is meant to have everything that you need for the defined openslug baseline functionality (not sure whether this includes VFAT or not). The stuff in the conf is then the optional stuff. |
| 01:56.29 | rwhitby-web | so someone can get a bare-bones openslug image by defining the EXTRAS in their local.conf to be nothing. |
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| 01:57.01 | rwhitby-web | but the default distributed binary includes whatever is in the openslug.conf by default. |
| 01:57.37 | jbowler | Right; I would add kernel-module-ntfs (requested twice on the list) plus ufs and iso9660 (CDROM). |
| 01:58.00 | rwhitby-web | so I think I agree that vfat support should be in openslug.conf, not openslug-image, so that those who don't want vfat support (noting that nothing else in the base image relies on vfat support) can easily remove it by simply not including it in their local.conf |
| 01:58.14 | rwhitby-web | yes, same for them |
| 01:58.35 | jbowler | What about kernel-module-msdos? 'cause in fact it is pretty useless - it just hides the DOS long file names! |
| 01:58.54 | Pinback | I'm attempting to setup a 1.0GB USB flash drive to hold programs for unslung. |
| 01:59.05 | rwhitby-web | we just have to be careful to ensure that nothing depends on something in EXTRAS in openslug.conf, knowing that some people will not have those extras installed. |
| 01:59.23 | Pinback | So far, the nslu2 crashes hard during formatting. |
| 01:59.36 | Pinback | (unslung version 3.18) |
| 01:59.52 | Pinback | Are 1GB USB drive known to be problematic? |
| 01:59.55 | jbowler | rwhitby: I wasn't suggesting that, I was suggesting installing them in the flash still (except maybe msdos) |
| 02:01.09 | rwhitby-web | jbowler: things in openslug.conf still end up in the flash image. but only if you don't override that variable in your local.conf |
| 02:01.41 | jbowler | Ok, my misunderstanding - yes, that's what I intended. |
| 02:01.42 | rwhitby-web | I'm saying that nothing in openslug-image should depend on something which is in the EXTRAS variable in openslug.conf |
| 02:02.14 | jbowler | Right - I'll do a sanity check build (zap the EXTRA_ stuff to empty). |
| 02:03.04 | rwhitby-web | Cause, for instance, VoodooZ will have a much smaller EXTRAs than the default, so he has room for his AI software in the flash. |
| 02:03.28 | Pinback | Anyone know the steps the web interface does during a format? Maybe I can try the process manually, and see where it is bomging out. |
| 02:03.48 | jbowler | Yes: I did that with 'jonslug' - just kept stripping stuff out until it didn't boot ;-) |
| 02:04.28 | rwhitby-web | jbowler: cool. BTW, I am very glad that you have become an active OpenSlug developer :-) |
| 02:04.44 | [g2] | hey jbowler ! I'm just reading the comments you made, I'll reply in a minute |
| 02:05.17 | jbowler | There's probably some ~ thingy in here for expressing embarassment isn't there, ~redface? |
| 02:06.12 | jbowler | stat64 fix: current no-go. It fixes linux-uclibc and breaks glibc (linux) in the exact (opposite) way. |
| 02:06.33 | rwhitby-web | jbowler: this is a meritocracy - no need for embarrassment due to identified merit. |
| 02:07.07 | [g2] | rwhitby-web, I happy too that jbowler is such an active OpenSlugger too, especially when he said he "like to work alone" :) |
| 02:08.10 | rwhitby-web | yes, we have drawn him into the web :-) |
| 02:11.57 | [g2] | rwhitby-web, jbowler I agree on the .conf and EXTRAs |
| 02:12.41 | [g2] | I may not always be a good about following such a rule, but it certainly makes sense |
| 02:12.44 | rwhitby-web | [g2]: I hope so, as we'd discussed that previously :-) |
| 02:13.03 | jbowler | Ok, I'll get that one pushed next - it adds OPENSLUG_FILESYSTEMS to openslug.conf with instructions (comments) |
| 02:13.12 | [g2] | rwhitby-web, we've discussed lots of stuff :) |
| 02:13.24 | [g2] | jbowler, great |
| 02:13.36 | rwhitby-web | [g2]: so my AccessSlug and MediaSlug will both be running OpenSlug soon .... |
| 02:13.46 | [g2] | Cool |
| 02:13.54 | [g2] | I natively built the kernel today |
| 02:14.21 | [g2] | not with the IXP4xx stuff, but the current default OpenSlug kernel |
| 02:16.01 | rwhitby-web | self-hosting. nice :-) |
| 02:16.26 | [g2] | soon |
| 02:17.06 | [g2] | I also got a JTAG setup for the gateworks board today |
| 02:17.22 | [g2] | I zeroed out the Redboot partition |
| 02:17.30 | [g2] | then reflashed it |
| 02:17.51 | [g2] | so I'll be doing a bunch of testing with APEX on the avila (gateworks) board |
| 02:21.46 | rwhitby-web | back later |
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| 03:26.07 | rwhitby-web | Pinback: check the custom partition sizes wiki page |
| 03:26.52 | rwhitby-web | we know of no issues with large USB drives. but you may well be the first to try a 1GB drive. |
| 03:32.57 | Pinback | I've tried setting up the partition entries using busybox, and also with cfdisk on my suse box. |
| 03:33.49 | Pinback | I think the one time I saw an error message it was failing at swapon time. |
| 03:35.40 | Pinback | But do I understand right that it is necessary to trick the NSLU2/unslung to get the flash to be formatted/used like a HDD? |
| 03:36.57 | Pinback | Almost feels like a (flash) geometry problem. |
| 03:43.01 | rwhitby-web | your understanding is corret |
| 03:43.09 | rwhitby-web | oops, he's gone. |
| 03:53.32 | [g2] | nite guys |
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| 04:16.58 | rpedde | I'm looking for an opinion on how to package something that has no released tarball -- only available via svn. I've got a tarball snapshot I've made, but where to host it? |
| 04:17.41 | rpedde | This is libvorbisidec, "Tremor" - the integer decoder for ogg/vorbis |
| 04:27.44 | eno | i've seen a couple of packages getting source from CVS repo |
| 04:28.04 | eno | i guess svn should take a similar approach |
| 04:29.47 | eno | but it probably makes sense to use a snapshot tag instead of head (or the equivalent thing in svn) |
| 04:32.49 | rpedde | not to mention that if it's straight from a repo, it typically has to be autogened, and then strange stuff -- like autotool dependancies and stuff. Easier to have a make dist'ed tarball. |
| 04:33.23 | rpedde | Which I have, but I guess the real question is whether or not that's kosher, and where that tarball would be hosted |
| 04:38.47 | ka6sox-office | rpedde: I am VERY interested in that package. |
| 04:39.40 | ka6sox-office | is the tarball all the necessary stuff to build it? |
| 04:41.14 | ka6sox-office | rpedde, ping |
| 04:41.23 | rpedde | Yeah. I have a package that i've been running for a month and a half, along with a patched vorbis-tools that makes oggdec use libvorbisidec. |
| 04:41.23 | rpedde | transcodes in better-than-realtime. |
| 04:41.23 | rpedde | ideal for slimserver, etc. |
| 04:41.27 | rpedde | I've just been, well... slow in committing it. :/ |
| 04:41.44 | ka6sox-office | I've been reading your Blog and website. |
| 04:42.39 | ka6sox-office | for things that are hard to get (or missing) we have been hosting them so that they can be gotten by the group to get. |
| 04:42.56 | ka6sox-office | when HH.org was down we used a tarball stash for builds. |
| 04:43.30 | rpedde | I can throw it up on my site and get it committed now, but I don't have a feel for how much bandwidth that would be. |
| 04:43.42 | rpedde | I don't want to slam myself. |
| 04:43.45 | ka6sox-office | how big is the tarball? |
| 04:44.16 | rpedde | Errr... |
| 04:44.24 | rpedde | Pretty small -- 380k. |
| 04:44.39 | rpedde | probably not a problem, for me to host, but I don't know how "official" that is |
| 04:45.01 | ka6sox-office | we actually can host it at nslu2-linux.org. |
| 04:45.05 | ka6sox-office | if you want. |
| 04:46.47 | rpedde | I also have a sqlite 2.8.x package that coexists with the sqlite3.x package. The 3.x package that's in there is called "sqlite". Should I call my 2.8 package sqlite2? |
| 04:47.32 | ka6sox-office | it would be good to differentiate it. |
| 04:47.35 | ka6sox-office | :) |
| 04:48.41 | rwhitby-web | rpedde: we can put in in nslu.sf.net/downloads |
| 04:48.58 | rpedde | k. |
| 04:49.03 | rwhitby-web | you can have write access to that area to update it |
| 04:49.51 | rpedde | Okay... I'll put it there. |
| 04:51.12 | rwhitby-web | ok, you should be able to scp it up there now. Make sure you version the tarball so we can transition to new releases seamlessly. |
| 04:52.02 | rpedde | it's 'libvorbisidec-cvs-20050221.tar.gz', and the package matches that |
| 04:52.03 | ka6sox-office | :) |
| 04:52.27 | rwhitby-web | look in the Unslung Makefile "upload" target to see the full pathname - replace ".../feeds/...." with ".../downloads/libvorbisidec-cvs-20050221.tar.gz |
| 04:52.41 | ka6sox-office | rwhitby-web: this was the last piece of the puzzle to make the wl-hdd do what I need. :-) |
| 04:53.11 | rwhitby-web | cool |
| 04:53.20 | ka6sox-office | rpedde, does this also have vorbis-tools? or is that separate? |
| 04:53.44 | rpedde | I have a vorbis-tools.mk that patches oggdec to use libvorbisidec |
| 04:53.53 | rpedde | But it's pretty intrusive |
| 04:54.18 | ka6sox-office | can you call it vorbis-itools? |
| 04:54.18 | rpedde | I'm not sure how to package that. |
| 04:54.45 | ka6sox-office | I want to use ogg123 to decode a stream. |
| 04:54.47 | rpedde | Or maybe just make oggdec, and call it oggdect or something |
| 04:55.21 | rpedde | I don't have ogg123 patched, but it should be pretty easy. It's *almost* a drop-in replacement for libvorbisfile. Not entirely, but pretty close. |
| 04:55.53 | CIA-9 | 03rpedde * 10unslung/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Initial commit of sqlite 2.x, to coexist with sqlite3. |
| 04:56.37 | ka6sox-office | so we would need to tell ogg123 to use libvorbisidec. |
| 04:56.50 | ka6sox-office | instead of libvorbisdec |
| 04:56.58 | rpedde | Instead of vorbisfile |
| 04:57.16 | ka6sox-office | okay. |
| 04:57.28 | rpedde | I was going to do that, but I got all I needed from oggdec -- I'm just ogg->wav'ing, so that was good enough for me. |
| 04:58.05 | rpedde | I can look at the mpg123, though... shouldn't be too bad. Lemme get the lib uploaded and commited first. |
| 04:58.24 | rpedde | s/mpg/ogg/ |
| 04:58.40 | ka6sox-office | I"m ogg->usbaudio. |
| 05:00.20 | rpedde | You got libao to work on usbaudio off the slug? Cool... |
| 05:06.57 | rwhitby-web | ka6sox-office: what are you using for the audio output plugged into the USB slot ? |
| 05:08.24 | ka6sox-office | Griffin iMic |
| 05:08.53 | rwhitby-web | nic |
| 05:08.55 | rwhitby-web | nice |
| 05:09.19 | ka6sox-office | I think that this will port nice to the wl-hdd |
| 05:09.32 | rpedde | ooh.. and I have one of those laying around... I didn't know those worked... |
| 05:10.17 | ka6sox-office | can you say wl-pod? |
| 05:11.58 | rpedde | woah! get out! I hadn't seen the wl-hdd. That's veeeery cool. That runs the same hardware as the slug? |
| 05:12.49 | ka6sox-office | mipsel |
| 05:12.59 | ka6sox-office | so similar to openwrt. |
| 05:13.14 | ka6sox-office | wl500g.dyndns.org |
| 05:13.23 | rpedde | but oe is running on it? |
| 05:13.27 | rpedde | geez... where have I been? |
| 05:14.04 | ka6sox-office | it uses unlung packages. |
| 05:14.20 | ka6sox-office | so its the std crosstool builds. |
| 05:14.52 | rpedde | gack... I'm ordering one. must have wireless portable daap server. |
| 05:15.15 | ka6sox-office | I ordered one from Newegg tonight...$83 |
| 05:16.17 | ka6sox-office | mine will run off of CF (512mb or 1GB) |
| 05:17.00 | rpedde | I've got a 40gb laptop drive hanging around here... that would be perfect. |
| 05:20.50 | ka6sox-office | in my case I will be streaming to it...and it only needs a small amount of space for packages and *some* local audio..but not much |
| 05:21.49 | CIA-9 | 03rpedde * 10unslung/ (make/libvorbisidec.mk sources/libvorbisidec/control): Initial checkin of libvorbisidec -- the ogg vorbis integer decoder |
| 05:22.56 | rpedde | Now, as far as vorbis-tools goes... does it make any sense to have non-tremor decoders in ogg123 and oggdec? |
| 05:23.52 | ka6sox-office | not probably as we need the integer versions anyways. |
| 05:23.54 | rpedde | I mean, should there be both? Because native oggdec is something like 10x realtime. It's essentially unuseable |
| 05:24.16 | ka6sox-office | we need it to be *small* and work. |
| 05:26.24 | rpedde | hrm.. I didn't strip the libs... I guess I should have, eh? |
| 05:27.12 | ka6sox-office | the wl-hdd is only 16MB. |
| 05:27.30 | jbowler | Stip libs, compile -Os ;-) |
| 05:27.38 | jbowler | s/stip/strip/ |
| 05:27.40 | rpedde | oof. yeah... probably should strip them. :) |
| 05:31.47 | ka6sox-office | its not like we are going to run gdb on these libraries. |
| 05:33.44 | jbowler | gdb isn't much help anyway unless the compilation is done with -g (which adds enormous amounts of symbol data...) |
| 05:34.12 | rpedde | So what's in a binary that's unstripped, but not compiled with -g? |
| 05:34.28 | rpedde | There is stuff there, but it's not debugging symbols... what is it, exactly? |
| 05:34.42 | rpedde | just curious... |
| 05:36.06 | jbowler | function and data symbols - extern or static values. Some of that may be required by ld.so, but I think the dynamic link stuff is in a separate section (not sure about that.) |
| 05:38.44 | rpedde | Any idea why if it wasn't compiled -g it wouldn't automatically jettison that baggage? Or is there value in it I don't see? |
| 05:41.04 | jbowler | ld might do so when building a DLL - I'm not sure. The function names have value for the simple back trace (though I don't know whether that's possible on MIPS with the standard compilation options) |
| 05:42.11 | rpedde | Is google broken, or is it just me? |
| 05:42.25 | jbowler | The main reason is historical - before ELF (and dwarf and so on) that was the only symbol information. |
| 05:42.54 | rpedde | sorry... when I go to google, I get redirected to google.com/xhtml -- the pda version. strange. |
| 05:43.14 | jbowler | google: works for wl-hdd, for me... |
| 05:43.35 | Jacmet | but it is indeed the pda version |
| 05:44.42 | rpedde | firefox and epiphany both redirect to /xhtml for me. |
| 05:45.14 | jacques | I'm getting it with galeon too |
| 05:45.16 | jbowler | Konqueror (on gentoo): no - I can select xhtml by typing it in, but no redirection |
| 05:45.30 | rpedde | heh.. I was just apt-getting konq to test it. |
| 05:45.51 | jacques | and also with mozilla |
| 05:45.57 | rpedde | firefox, epiphany and galeon are all gecko based |
| 05:46.03 | ka6sox-office | rpedde, I"m getting xhtml too! |
| 05:46.11 | rpedde | so probably no surprise there. bad browser sniffing? |
| 05:46.22 | ka6sox-office | might be b0rk3n |
| 05:46.24 | rpedde | I thought I was nuts for a second. :) |
| 05:46.28 | ka6sox-office | on google's side |
| 05:46.38 | ka6sox-office | lemme try konqui |
| 05:46.55 | ka6sox-office | konqui works right |
| 05:47.22 | ka6sox-office | score one for google. |
| 05:47.31 | rpedde | lol |
| 05:47.45 | ka6sox-office | they don't often blow it. |
| 05:48.13 | rpedde | at least not this long... I've never caught them in an obvious thing like this before. |
| 05:51.23 | jacques | bah, only the 1 in 20 that use non-IE will ever notice |
| 05:52.03 | ka6sox-office | there are a number of us who *don't* do windows. |
| 05:52.06 | jacques | i just want /. to get the story so google fixes it |
| 05:52.08 | rpedde | exactly. and probably it works on ff on win32, because the *have* to have tested that after rolling in a code change, so it's probably just mozilla users on linux, a vanishingly small fraction of users |
| 05:52.35 | jacques | ka6sox-office, I'm in that number :-) |
| 05:52.38 | rpedde | if I actually had a windows machine, I'd verify that... |
| 05:52.45 | jbowler | I tried all the Mozilla identifications Konqueror supports - no redirection |
| 05:52.52 | jacques | if I have to use windows, I install firefox |
| 05:53.07 | ka6sox-office | I *do* have a windows machine but its offline |
| 05:53.40 | jacques | aha! |
| 05:53.45 | jacques | it's only 216.239.39.99 |
| 05:53.46 | rpedde | strange... konq spoofing a moz user-agent works? |
| 05:53.58 | jacques | 216.239.37.99 and 216.239.57.99 are fine |
| 05:54.23 | rpedde | maybe first in a rolling upgrade? |
| 05:54.25 | ka6sox-office | used for VHDL programming and programming obscure things that require DOS and a parallel port. |
| 05:54.52 | rpedde | sounds like "world of warcraft" to me. |
| 05:55.11 | ka6sox-office | WoW is online... |
| 05:55.18 | ka6sox-office | I play NWN on my Macs |
| 05:55.35 | jbowler | konq spoofing - works in what sense? It just changes the browser id string, google may be sniffing more stuff but there isn't that much to look at... |
| 05:56.00 | jacques | jbowler, go to 216.239.39.99 |
| 05:57.10 | rpedde | 216.239.39.99 in konq works... no redirection. |
| 05:57.28 | jacques | hmm |
| 05:57.32 | jbowler | Same - no redirection. I did get a cookie from it (which I rejected) - could google be using a cache of my IP (which is masqueraded) |
| 05:57.54 | jacques | ah, they just fixed it |
| 05:58.10 | jacques | it's working for me too now on 216.239.39.99 |
| 05:58.17 | jacques | oops |
| 05:58.19 | jacques | now it's not |
| 05:58.25 | jacques | maybe it's a load balancer |
| 05:58.28 | ka6sox-office | its fixed... |
| 05:58.35 | ka6sox-office | (or I got the *good* ones.) |
| 05:58.41 | jacques | and some of the servers on the other side are not fixed yet |
| 05:59.12 | jacques | I can sit there and reload 216.239.39.99 and about 50% of the time I get redirected now |
| 05:59.29 | jacques | I guess eventually they'll fix all the servers |
| 06:01.48 | rpedde | guess the fun is over, then :) |
| 06:01.56 | ka6sox-office | ah.. |
| 06:02.09 | ka6sox-office | well..I've found the bug in my VHDL so I can go home. |
| 06:03.29 | jacques | ka6sox-office, congrats :-) |
| 06:04.11 | ka6sox-office | thanks...it was a PITA to find...buried in a nested state machine. |
| 06:10.04 | rpedde | ka6sox: you have a slug with audio right now? |
| 06:10.25 | ka6sox-office | yes..but I need to fix libao |
| 06:10.51 | ka6sox-office | it works on OpenSlug |
| 06:10.54 | ka6sox-office | with Coreaudio |
| 06:10.54 | rpedde | because I can patch ogg123, but I can't test it with no audio out |
| 06:11.04 | ka6sox-office | nite Eno |
| 06:11.32 | ka6sox-office | if you patch it I'll sync with the repo and build it. |
| 06:11.39 | ka6sox-office | and then test it. |
| 06:11.52 | rpedde | I think I'm close here |
| 06:11.58 | ka6sox-office | cool |
| 06:15.43 | ka6sox-office | catch you on the flipside |
| 06:16.17 | rpedde | aight.. I'll get this to where I think it's working and commit it. It'll be called ivorbis-tools |
| 06:30.40 | rpedde | Well, it compiles but I can't actually *play* anything, as I have no audio and libao gets all mad |
| 06:36.23 | ka6sox-away | libao is b0rk3n |
| 06:36.44 | ka6sox-away | I"m a hardware guy but am learning this *software* stuff ;) |
| 06:36.46 | rpedde | mkay |
| 06:36.53 | rpedde | I can't even get the wav target to work. |
| 06:40.09 | ka6sox-away | :( |
| 06:42.02 | CIA-9 | 03rpedde * 10unslung/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Initial checkin of vorbis-tools compiled for Tremor - the ogg vorbis integer decoder |
| 06:47.19 | CIA-9 | 03rpedde * 10unslung/make/libvorbisidec.mk: configure for arm assembly -- significantly faster |
| 06:48.44 | rpedde | mkay... if libao worked, everything else would, I think. At least, I've got the ivorbis-tools installed and it does oggdec okay. I'm guessing that ogg123 would work if I could make it output to file. |
| 06:50.09 | ka6sox-away | sounds good. |
| 06:56.00 | rpedde | if you compile libvorbisidec for mips, you'll want to comment out the -D_ARM_ASSEMBLY_ define |
| 06:56.36 | ka6sox-away | I do intend to do that if I can. |
| 06:57.18 | rpedde | I am going to order that thing from newegg, so I might be back here bugging you. |
| 06:57.40 | ka6sox-away | well...its not bugging me! |
| 06:58.05 | ka6sox-away | I appreciate your help here. |
| 06:58.45 | ka6sox-away | and checking in those codecs |
| 06:59.26 | rpedde | I needed to be pushed into doing it anyway.. my packages were diverging from unslung and people on mt-daapd nightlies were complaining. :) |
| 06:59.58 | ka6sox-away | bringing them back will help us all :) |
| 07:00.14 | rpedde | Yup, me included. win-win. |
| 07:00.26 | rpedde | still need to package alac |
| 07:00.50 | ka6sox-away | what blog software are you using....its very clean. |
| 07:01.07 | rpedde | wordpress... it's much better than it used to be. |
| 07:01.46 | rpedde | and I'm lazy and the install was quick. :) Plus works from my phone, as you probably saw. |
| 07:01.54 | ka6sox-away | yeah. |
| 07:02.23 | ka6sox-away | I'm sure we will have fun getting this working on the wl-hdd... |
| 07:03.31 | rpedde | Yeah, I'm pretty excited about the idea -- a portable wireless hard drive. How crazy. I can think of a dozen cool things to do with it. |
| 07:03.43 | ka6sox-away | me too. |
| 07:03.52 | ka6sox-away | nice that Oleg has it going. |
| 07:05.52 | CIA-9 | 03rpedde * 10unslung/Makefile: add sqlite2 libvorbisidec and ivorbis-tools to READY_TO_BE_TESTED |
| 07:06.38 | ka6sox-away | :) |
| 07:07.25 | rpedde | woohoo. :) |
| 07:09.28 | ka6sox-away | you know that we also have wl500g package makefiles here too. |
| 07:09.40 | ka6sox-away | (same code as the wl-hdd) |
| 07:10.05 | rpedde | I saw the different targets in the makefile |
| 07:10.21 | rpedde | in the toplevel makefile. wl500g is the new linksys wireless router? |
| 07:10.34 | ka6sox-away | ASUS |
| 07:10.44 | ka6sox-away | same strain as the wl-hdd |
| 07:10.57 | ka6sox-away | without the MII and USB2 |
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| 07:11.14 | ka6sox-away | but with the Promise IDE interface |
| 07:11.18 | rpedde | ah yeah, that's the page you sent before |
| 07:12.03 | ka6sox-away | this thing could be a wireless router/HDD... |
| 07:12.30 | ka6sox-away | I think that trying for email might be a little bit much. |
| 07:14.48 | rpedde | probably, but dhcp server/lan party to go. Or music server to go. Or samba file server to go. Or any number of things. |
| 07:16.42 | ka6sox-away | enuf for fun things. |
| 07:17.03 | ka6sox-away | I can see it now...UT server to go. |
| 07:17.20 | rpedde | Well... so long as you don't mind some *serious* lag |
| 07:17.45 | ka6sox-away | we play wireless with a AP all the time. |
| 07:17.45 | rpedde | q3 source will be coming out soon -- I can see a q3 dedicated server in the making. :) |
| 07:17.55 | ka6sox-away | there ya go. |
| 07:21.25 | jbowler | ka6sox-away: I've just put up http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/MountFATFileSystems (which, I hope, is self explanatory) - can you link into HowTo? |
| 07:21.53 | ka6sox-away | jbowler: I'll do it now. |
| 07:22.16 | jbowler | Many thanks - now to push the code change so it isn't lying about OpenSlug ;-) |
| 07:24.37 | ka6sox-away | try it out...its at the bottom of "other" |
| 07:25.10 | ka6sox-away | hmmm...not saving yet |
| 07:25.54 | ka6sox-away | okay its there now. |
| 07:26.16 | ka6sox-away | looks good thanks! |
| 07:26.50 | jbowler | yep; likewise |
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| 07:28.00 | ka6sox-away | time for bed...nite all |
| 07:28.18 | rpedde | gnite |
| 07:28.23 | jbowler | good night |
| 07:28.37 | ka6sox-zzzz | thanks both of you. |
| 07:29.00 | ka6sox-zzzz | soon a wireless player for under $200. |
| 07:29.12 | rpedde | lol |
| 08:07.09 | CIA-9 | 03rpedde * 10unslung/ (sources/alac-decoder/makefile.patch make/alac-decoder.mk): initial checkin of alac-decoder, a decoder for the Apple Lossless codec |
| 08:08.06 | CIA-9 | 03rpedde * 10unslung/Makefile: add alac-decoder to READY_FOR_TESTING |
| 08:08.44 | rpedde | that's it for me. g'nite. |
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| 15:30.51 | puny | anyone familiar with the way the flash memory is laid out in this thing? like what memory addresses store what where? |
| 15:30.51 | rwhitby | it's on the wiki. |
| 15:31.10 | rwhitby | Info/MemoryMap (or something like that) |
| 15:31.25 | puny | thanks I'll go check |
| 15:31.29 | puny | I bricked my stupid slug |
| 15:31.47 | puny | and now when I try to do the recovery procedure, it takes half the tftp file or http file then craps out |
| 15:31.56 | puny | (not exactly half, but aborts prematurely) |
| 15:42.59 | rwhitby | Latest photos of Slug Central are up: http://nslu2-linux.thestuffguy.com/gallery/slug-central |
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| 15:48.45 | puny | nice shutle |
| 15:49.24 | puny | you doing anything with the PAP2? |
| 15:49.44 | rwhitby | not mine. I don't own that site. |
| 15:50.08 | rwhitby | The shuttle is the nslu2-linux build machine that the donations bought. I forget who owns the PAP2. Probably dyoung. |
| 15:50.35 | puny | I was just curious cause I use one at my house |
| 15:54.09 | rwhitby | night all |
| 15:56.20 | jbowler | does anyone know the status of bkbits.net (it was down 8+ hours ago, still seems to be down now?) |
| 15:56.48 | rwhitby-asleep | Maybe McVoy pulled the plug early .... |
| 15:57.30 | jbowler | Eh, well, I was being optimistic here - hoping for a service outage, not McVoy annoyance or hacker attacks... |
| 15:58.01 | jbowler | Alas whatever it is is makes some sort of point :-( |
| 16:00.57 | rwhitby-asleep | we have an hourly sync of it on our official build machine, so we won't have lost anything even if it doesn't come up again. |
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| 16:11.26 | jbowler | The database can be recovered completely - it's trivial, just bk parent -r the build machine, put the database somewhere accessible and everyone bk parents their own repo to the new location. |
| 16:20.33 | CIA-9 | 03bzhou * 10unslung/ (5 files in 3 dirs): mzscheme ready for native testing |
| 16:33.09 | [g2]-away | jbowler, great patch for the mod-utils endian issue |
| 16:33.33 | [g2]-away | that was on my long-term list of things to do |
| 16:34.47 | jbowler | I started to write a whole set of stuff to allow defconfig alterations and get all the required kernel-modules in the build ;-) |
| 16:35.11 | jbowler | Then I realised kergoth had done it already (the dependencies) but it was broken... |
| 16:35.45 | jbowler | Then I realised depmod was very broken. Hum, I need to email the patch to the maintainer. |
| 16:36.09 | [g2] | good idea |
| 16:36.27 | [g2] | speaking of emailing the patch maintainers |
| 16:36.31 | jbowler | BTW: I only fixed depmod - modinfo was already fixed, not sure about the others. |
| 16:37.00 | [g2] | do you frequent #uclibc much or follow the mailing list ? |
| 16:37.28 | jbowler | No - I didn't know where it was (hadn't searched for it) |
| 16:37.57 | jbowler | The stat64 problem is a uclibc break - it has a kernel stat.h which does not match kernel, glibc or libc-linux-headers on ARMBE |
| 16:38.26 | jbowler | Curious thing is that we seem to have at least three copies of the kernel headers which must all match. gack. |
| 16:38.46 | [g2] | that's exactly the kinda thing that you should check the mailing list for/ submit a patch / ask in the irc channel |
| 16:39.28 | [g2] | kergoth works closely with the uclibc guys |
| 16:39.56 | [g2] | but there are a tons of arch / kernel / cross issues always coming up |
| 16:40.55 | [g2] | http://www.uclibc.org/ is the web page and the ml is off there it's searchable and #uclibc on freenode is the channel |
| 16:41.27 | [g2] | andersee, mjn3, and others are in the channel that are the real maintainer of uclibc |
| 16:41.42 | [g2] | they are especially nice to deal with |
| 16:43.44 | jbowler | Yes, it's on my mental to-do list - though uclibc itself only has this one major problem (for nslu2) - openslug-packages builds with uclibc up to php (fails on a symbol not found) |
| 16:43.53 | jbowler | Oh, and the result boots fine! |
| 16:44.13 | [g2] | cool |
| 16:44.37 | [g2] | are depmods still generated on the box or does that save some time on the boot ? |
| 16:46.21 | jbowler | In a current openslug build rootfs/lib/modules/2.6.11.2/modules.dep seems correct (check it out - everything looks good to me) |
| 16:46.52 | [g2] | I plan on it. Right now I'm testing the APEX boot loader and native compiles |
| 16:47.44 | [g2] | I've built python, most of perl, zope3, apache 2.x, php5, and the openslug kernel less the IPX stuff which soon |
| 16:49.16 | jbowler | Can APEX boot a kernel from flash (i.e. like lilo/grub loading from the rootfs?) |
| 16:50.12 | [g2] | Right now I was looking for the docs on accessing an ext2 fs |
| 16:50.33 | [g2] | to load the kernel straight out of an ext2 fs |
| 16:51.08 | [g2] | the support was coded up by beewoolie it just needs to be tested and verified |
| 16:51.26 | [g2] | and then we should teach APEX about jffs2 support |
| 16:52.28 | [g2] | but I don't think having a 1.x MB ext2 /boot partition with the kernel in it is such a bad thing to start with |
| 16:53.58 | jbowler | That's fine if it is on a disk - its a lowest common denominator format so means the boot partition can be fixed up on another machine easily |
| 16:54.54 | jbowler | There's quite a lot of overhead in ext2 because the whole fs (including unoccupied bits) takes space, compression helps some but not a lot |
| 16:55.43 | jbowler | I was considering trying to boot directly into jffs2 (not in openslug - on a branch), then removing ext2 and ext3 support from the kernel - into modules. |
| 16:57.11 | jbowler | I'm probably going to try moving to 2.6.12-rc2-mm3 and I anticipate running into problems with the 1MByte RedBoot limit on compressed kernel size ;-) |
| 16:57.56 | [g2] | APEX can boot directly to jffs2 but uses a kernel partition right now |
| 16:58.09 | [g2] | and with APEX you could resize that partition |
| 16:59.58 | [g2] | I'd load the second Redboot block and linksys conf partiton and then you could go to a 1.25MB kernel |
| 17:00.07 | [g2] | s/load/lose/ |
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| 17:00.50 | [g2] | also you're probably not using switchbox, so that could all be converted to jffs2 |
| 17:01.02 | jbowler | How is the RedBoot partition split? I wasn't aware of that - I just thought it was one 8 block sequence. |
| 17:01.45 | jbowler | switchbox: yes, those two blocks (one block in my current branch builds) just become jffs2 along with the rest of the 53. |
| 17:01.50 | [g2] | The flash is an 8MB flash which is 64 128KB erase blocks |
| 17:02.25 | [g2] | Redboot is the first 2 blocks or 256K |
| 17:02.49 | [g2] | The linksys sysconf partition follow at 1 block |
| 17:03.06 | [g2] | Then 8 blocks for the kernel |
| 17:03.42 | [g2] | and the reset for what is the ext2 partition that gets loaded as the ramdisk in the Linksys firmware |
| 17:04.05 | [g2] | Unslung uses the first part for switchbox, because ..... |
| 17:04.37 | [g2] | the Redboot version by linksys checks the kernel length in the first 16 bytes of that block |
| 17:05.03 | [g2] | since the first 16 bytes are "wasted" by the Redboot bootloader, the block cannot be a jffs2 block |
| 17:06.23 | [g2] | when changing bootloaders either a different hack of the Redboot loader or APEX, then all the upslug stuff and other bogus stuff can go out the window for ppl willing to reflash the bootloader |
| 17:07.08 | [g2] | so to continue on... The last block is used to hold some information and that's where the Redboot FIS table is tucked away |
| 17:07.32 | [g2] | along with the compressed ixp modules for Unslung |
| 17:08.12 | [g2] | My plans for APEX are 1 block for APEX |
| 17:08.30 | [g2] | and then 1 or 2 jffs2 partitions that include the kernel in the fs |
| 17:08.40 | [g2] | in the rootfs, like we currently build |
| 17:08.58 | [g2] | APEX will default using on of them, but have a fall back to the other |
| 17:09.16 | [g2] | or get there by holding the reset button, etc .... |
| 17:10.26 | jbowler | Sounds good |
| 17:11.00 | [g2] | the only thing missing right now is a little more testing on APEX and teaching APEX about jffs2 |
| 17:11.51 | [g2] | however I was going to test ext2 first because it's already coded and a good place to start |
| 17:12.12 | [g2] | also I'd like to teach APEX about pci and usb |
| 17:12.37 | [g2] | then, the kernel could be pulled directly from an external disk / flash stick |
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| 17:13.15 | [g2] | and a usb-serial adapter could become the APEX console, making the box a solderless hack |
| 17:15.36 | jbowler | Or use netcat/netconsole, though to work properly that means building the eth drivers into the kernel (and APEX) |
| 17:17.36 | [g2] | netconsole already runs with the kernels |
| 17:18.21 | jbowler | The last build I tried the ixp425_eth driver did not have the correct capabilities for netconsole to use it (but I haven't tried it for a couple of weeks) |
| 17:18.33 | [g2] | the kernel modules *CANNOT* be built with regard to the Intel License |
| 17:18.49 | [g2] | so they have to be loaded from a ramdisk or something like that |
| 17:19.56 | [g2] | I've been wanting to try initramfs (I think that's what it's called) where there's a ramdisk appended to the kernel |
| 17:20.24 | [g2] | that would solve the issue and be transparent to APEX |
| 17:21.20 | [g2] | so just make a 1.5MB or 1.75MB kernel parition that has a initramfs on the end of it and it loads probably after uncompressing the intel modules |
| 17:21.24 | jbowler | That is what switchbox is - I load the eth drivers in my switchbox version. |
| 17:21.39 | [g2] | nod. |
| 17:22.20 | jbowler | I tried using the newer cpio archive in place of ext2, but it failed to boot - presumably because of the 16 bytes at the head of the Ramdisk (/dev/mtd3) partition? |
| 17:23.41 | [g2] | I don't remember of there's one there or not. I don't think so, but there might be |
| 17:23.50 | [g2] | I'd have to double check that |
| 17:24.40 | jbowler | My misunderstanding - you said something about the kernel length being at the start of one of the partitions (I thought Ramdisk) |
| 17:25.08 | jbowler | I see a 16 byte header starting 0x03049B (then zeros). |
| 17:25.18 | [g2] | nod, actually it's both |
| 17:25.23 | [g2] | the kernel and the ramdisk |
| 17:25.36 | [g2] | this a 4 byte lenght |
| 17:25.49 | [g2] | and 12 bytes of zeros |
| 17:26.14 | jbowler | Ok, that fits - 3409B is the length of the switchbox ext2.gz |
| 17:26.22 | [g2] | nod |
| 17:26.43 | [g2] | I think it's the length + 16 |
| 17:26.49 | [g2] | or 0x10 |
| 17:27.27 | [g2] | I know in the kern_header function I think I added the extra 16 to the length |
| 17:27.42 | [g2] | and double checked that the entire thing didn't go over 1M |
| 17:27.49 | [g2] | 1M bytes |
| 17:29.23 | jbowler | Right: the actual switchbox.ext2.gz is 213147 (3409B) and it starts 16 bytes into /proc/mtd3, so the total length of valid bytes in the segment is 340AB |
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| 17:32.42 | jbowler | netconsole reports (in the syslog): netconsole: eth0 doesn't support polling, aborting. |
| 17:33.06 | jbowler | I believe there's a patch on the wiki relating to this. |
| 17:33.43 | [g2] | ahh... Openslug have been running interrupt driven for 2 months or something like that |
| 17:38.14 | jbowler | netconsole: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/EnableNetconsole |
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| 20:54.59 | giel | ~ugt |
| 20:55.00 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, ugt is Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. |
| 20:55.45 | Tiersten | Hey |
| 20:56.11 | giel | uh yeah |
| 20:56.16 | giel | just needed the definition :) |
| 20:58.37 | Tiersten | huh? |
| 20:59.39 | giel | i needed the definition of ugy |
| 20:59.41 | giel | ugt* |
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| 21:15.07 | cardfumbler | There seems to be more than one way to implement nfs on the slug (ufs3, nfs-utils, nfs-server and a hint at a kernel-space NFS V3 driver on the wiki). Is one solution generally used over others? |
| 21:36.01 | caplink811 | good evening all, 1st i know the #nslu2-general, but this room is quite tonight, so i have a little problem with an user from the german community. we've tried to setup his slug for standard purpose, |
| 21:36.52 | caplink811 | wanna changed root pw to a well known, by copy /etc/passwd to /share/hdd/conf/passwd ;-) after unlsing |
| 21:37.44 | caplink811 | but after do that, admin with pw admin want not work :-( |
| 21:38.36 | caplink811 | now changed admins pw, and verified that with telnet login, anything is fine, but in webinterface the new pw also doesn't work.. |
| 21:38.58 | caplink811 | anybody with any ideas is welcome |
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| 22:01.13 | CIA-9 | 03jeanfabrice * 10unslung/ (13 files in 3 dirs): Added Chillispot package |
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| 22:31.18 | jeanfabrice | rwhitby-away: ping |
| 22:31.52 | rwhitby-away | pong |
| 22:31.56 | jeanfabrice | hi Rod |
| 22:32.02 | rwhitby-away | howdy |
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| 22:32.10 | rwhitby-away | everything going well? |
| 22:32.13 | jeanfabrice | hummm |
| 22:32.17 | jeanfabrice | well..; |
| 22:32.30 | jeanfabrice | say, I'm in trouble on nudi |
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| 22:35.51 | ka6sox-office | uh oh...I'm physically there now...so I can help jeanfabrice |
| 22:38.03 | jeanfabrice | ka6sox-office : hi |
| 22:38.30 | ka6sox-office | hi there. |
| 22:38.38 | rwhitby-away | ka6sox-office: no problem - jeanfabrice didn't realise that as build manager he has the rights to add packages directly to the main packages var instead of adding to ready for testing :-) |
| 22:39.08 | ka6sox-office | okay cool. |
| 22:39.37 | ka6sox-office | ah...the rights and responsibilites... |
| 22:40.47 | CIA-9 | 03jeanfabrice * 10unslung/Makefile: Move chillispot in the right section |
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| 22:41.17 | rwhitby-away | jeanfabrice: we usually call that "Promoted chillispot for wl500g" |
| 22:42.01 | jeanfabrice | ok. noted |
| 22:42.52 | rwhitby-away | and if you need to ever move a package out (cause it no longer builds), we call that "demotion" :-) |
| 22:43.56 | jeanfabrice | will need a paper to write all that things |
| 22:45.41 | ka6sox-office | I need a sheet to remember all of it too! |
| 22:46.22 | jeanfabrice | well, chillisoft finally builds. |
| 22:47.00 | jeanfabrice | but it needs tun module... cannot set it in depends as it doesn't exist in unslung... |
| 22:47.48 | rwhitby-away | kernel module? |
| 22:47.51 | jeanfabrice | yep |
| 22:47.52 | rwhitby-away | or another package? |
| 22:48.15 | jeanfabrice | kernel module. could build it from asus GPL |
| 22:48.35 | rwhitby-away | we will enable it in Unslung nslu2 firmware. |
| 22:48.48 | rwhitby-away | does it exist in Oleg's firmware as a module? |
| 22:49.27 | jeanfabrice | No. I read a thread where Olegs said that it will maybe be in the next firmware |
| 22:49.39 | rwhitby-away | (Oleg really needs a catchy name for his firmware) |
| 22:50.01 | rwhitby-away | the way we do modules for unslung is that we have a separate feed for them, and that feed is updated when the base firmware is built. |
| 22:50.50 | jeanfabrice | how do ppl get'em ? |
| 22:51.08 | rwhitby-away | ipkg install |
| 22:51.30 | rwhitby-away | Hmmm - that might be a problem for wl500g, cause /lib is not writeable. |
| 22:51.50 | rwhitby-away | ah, but that's ok, the ipkgs for wl500g can just install them somewhere else |
| 22:51.55 | jeanfabrice | have installed my compiled module in /opt/drivers |
| 22:52.04 | jeanfabrice | and it loads |
| 22:53.03 | jeanfabrice | well no... it load with the path :( |
| 22:54.39 | jeanfabrice | humm chillispot install is strange. It segfault the first time I run the ipkg install then install the second time |
| 22:57.32 | rwhitby-away | jeanfabrice: are you able to talk to jp30 and work out how to have a single php package that works with both thttpd and apache? |
| 22:57.50 | rwhitby-away | jp30-work: did you see the webservers email on the list? |
| 22:58.01 | jeanfabrice | No, I wasn't. |
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| 22:59.41 | jeanfabrice | sorry : I did not speak to him yet. Can work on it, yes. |
| 22:59.53 | rwhitby-away | jeanfabrice: read this message (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nslu2-linux/message/5598) and the replies. |
| 23:00.12 | rwhitby-away | I think you and Josh are the two people most likely to make it happen :-) |
| 23:00.58 | rwhitby-away | and work with Styno to make the result work for webtools too :-) |
| 23:03.40 | rwhitby-away | [g2]: bumped the openslug version to set a new baseline for testing |
| 23:04.07 | jeanfabrice | ok. I don't know if apache runs on a wl500g. Styno has installed thttpdphp on his box and runs wt successfully, in /opt/share/www |
| 23:04.35 | CIA-9 | 03rwhitby 07 * r1.3208 10openembedded/conf/distro/openslug.conf: Bumped OpenSlug version |
| 23:04.56 | rwhitby-away | jeanfabrice: we don't need to get apache running on wl500g necessarily. just split thttpdphp and possibly modify php so that we don't have two php's :-) |
| 23:05.05 | jeanfabrice | yep |
| 23:06.05 | jeanfabrice | have you check my thttpdphp.mk ? it builds php as thttpd needs it but it decompress thttpd before as php needs its source too... |
| 23:06.54 | jeanfabrice | don't know how to solve this, with the actual .mk architecture. |
| 23:07.30 | [g2] | rwhitby-away, cool |
| 23:07.42 | rwhitby-away | jf: ok, will look at it later today |
| 23:07.56 | jeanfabrice | have to leave. see u later |
| 23:08.11 | rwhitby-away | [g2]: I'm going to flash this version on AccessSlug and leave it unchanged for a long time probably. |
| 23:08.27 | rwhitby-away | (cause AccessSlug is meant to the be dont-touch-it slug) |
| 23:11.06 | [g2] | rwhitby-away, cool. |
| 23:12.39 | [g2] | rwhitby-away, wank-off :) |
| 23:13.07 | [g2] | I'm trying to mount ext2 fs from APEX |
| 23:13.31 | [g2] | I'm working with beewoolie but was trying to ack you comments to me :) |
| 23:15.18 | rwhitby-away | [g2]: just kidding. APEX seems to be progressing well ... |
| 23:17.48 | [g2] | I know you were just kidding, I was kidding back :) |
| 23:22.26 | jp30-work | are the packagers of mzscheme, w3m, or byRequest in da house? |
| 23:25.38 | jp30-work | rwhitby, i saw the webservers email. i'm having a look at decoupling php and apache now |
| 23:37.23 | rwhitby-away | jp30-work: excellent - I know that you and jeanfabrice will be able to sort it out. |
| 23:44.15 | CIA-9 | 03jp30 * 10unslung/Makefile: demote w3m, mzscheme |
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| 23:47.06 | rwhitby-away | back later |
| 23:49.01 | CIA-9 | 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/template-cvs.mk: first attempt at a template for packages whose upstream is a cvs repo |