| 00:01.04 | CIA-1 | 03ingeba * 10unslung/make/openvpn.mk: Inital checkin. Did some mods - latest RC and control file generation |
| 00:09.20 | CIA-1 | 03ingeba * 10unslung/make/lzo.mk: Cleanup and control file generation |
| 00:11.33 | CIA-1 | 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/lzo/control: Control file now generated |
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| 00:12.03 | rwhitby-web | bob_tm-away: ping |
| 00:12.11 | bob_tm-away | ping |
| 00:12.35 | bob_tm-away | rwhitby-away: ping |
| 00:13.12 | rwhitby-web | would you be able to add a /opt/etc/xinetd.d/proftpd.conf file to the proftpd package? |
| 00:13.21 | bob_tm-away | Yes |
| 00:13.28 | bob_tm-away | Just move the one I got |
| 00:13.42 | bob_tm-away | Doesn't matter if there is no xinetd there? |
| 00:13.48 | rwhitby-web | and then make it depend on xinetd |
| 00:14.02 | rwhitby-web | I want us to start moving packages over to depend on xinetd |
| 00:14.11 | rwhitby-web | and have the packages drop in an xinetd conf file |
| 00:14.12 | bob_tm-away | Sound good - |
| 00:14.21 | bob_tm-away | What about standalone? |
| 00:14.27 | bob_tm-away | Wasted memory? |
| 00:14.39 | rwhitby-web | perhaps you can write it up on the packaging best practises page? |
| 00:15.16 | bob_tm-away | Yes - it is what politicians would call a "courageous decision". |
| 00:15.29 | bob_tm-away | Did you get it to work then? |
| 00:15.53 | rwhitby-web | yeah, let's assume that xinetd will pretty much always be running instead of inetd for anyone who is using unslung packages. |
| 00:16.01 | rwhitby-web | yes, it is magically working today :-) |
| 00:16.04 | bob_tm-away | :-) |
| 00:16.05 | kergoth | if the package can work as a daemon as well as through xinetd, a Recommends would probably be better. still installs xinetd if you install the app, but the user is then free to uninstall it if they want to run it as standalone |
| 00:16.22 | rwhitby-web | but then I have reinstalled unslung 4.7 and unsling'ed again since then |
| 00:16.44 | rwhitby-web | kergoth: good idea |
| 00:17.17 | rwhitby-web | we should do that for apache's dependency on openldap too |
| 00:17.23 | bob_tm-away | Hmmm.... very strange - I looked at the code and can't see how it could fail without error unless it failed to see the includedir command |
| 00:17.44 | kergoth | if apache can run without openldap, it shoudlnt Depends on it. thats the rule of thumb |
| 00:17.50 | bob_tm-away | What about dropbear - I think there are good reasons not to run dropbear from inetd's of any kind. |
| 00:17.53 | rwhitby-web | bob_tm-away: it was late at night :-) Strange things always happen then |
| 00:17.58 | kergoth | is it functional (yes, thats ambiguous, but it depends on the userbase), without it |
| 00:18.04 | rwhitby-web | bob_tm-away: agreed about dropbear |
| 00:18.32 | bob_tm-away | So let's say we let developers use good judgement. If there is good reason not to run it via xinetd, then don't |
| 00:19.08 | rwhitby-web | yeah, but it has to be a good reason due to the ram limitation |
| 00:19.18 | bob_tm-away | (Y) |
| 00:19.46 | bob_tm-away | Should we depreciate inetutils inetd? |
| 00:19.54 | rwhitby-web | yes indeed. |
| 00:20.01 | bob_tm-away | I feel a calling |
| 00:20.43 | rwhitby-web | xinetd should be the one true unslung packages inetd, and all packages that intend to be called from an inetd-like thing should drop in an xinetd conf file |
| 00:21.05 | bob_tm-away | How should we go about that? If I release a new inetutils without inetd, then those running it would be quite suprised after upgrading. |
| 00:21.14 | bob_tm-away | As I assume it will be gone |
| 00:21.26 | rwhitby-web | then the user sets up the rc.xinetd diversion script *once*, and all packages work correctly after that. |
| 00:21.41 | rwhitby-web | bob_tm-away: we remove it from the package, and announce the policy on the mailing list. |
| 00:21.42 | bob_tm-away | Yes! That is nice indeed |
| 00:21.55 | rwhitby-web | those who don't read the mailing list deserve to be surprised |
| 00:22.00 | bob_tm-away | Will you do the popal honour? |
| 00:22.17 | rwhitby-web | we can also write in in the inetutils package wiki page |
| 00:22.41 | bob_tm-away | Ok - I will do (a) best practices, (b) wiki on inetutils and (c) proftpd change. |
| 00:22.46 | rwhitby-web | yes, I will make the announcement once we have one package working with it to show as an example |
| 00:22.55 | bob_tm-away | Goed so. |
| 00:23.25 | bob_tm-away | I will go to sleep real soon now, so don't expect much to happen until, let's say in about 8 hours time |
| 00:23.27 | rwhitby-web | we will do the inetutils change after the announcement |
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| 00:23.45 | rwhitby-web | no hurry, but we will get this done before the 4.x beta |
| 00:24.04 | bob_tm-away | Ok - xinetd is good software. It is rare that such small things can excite me. |
| 00:24.16 | bob_tm-away | Yes we do |
| 00:24.19 | KsiTreo | I'm cool like rwhitby now. |
| 00:24.44 | rwhitby-web | the ability for other packages to drop in the configuration files is the key thing. we should also make sure that people name the configuration file according to the package name. no exceptions. |
| 00:24.57 | rwhitby-web | KsiTreo: BlueSlug? |
| 00:25.26 | bob_tm-away | One question: I have brushed up openvpn, but have no time to deal with it now. I want the kids to have an easter toy - so it is in CVS and compiles cross here. Shall I mark it ready for testing even though I don't know if it works? |
| 00:25.33 | KsiTreo | CDMA |
| 00:25.39 | KsiTreo | I'm in a car. |
| 00:27.30 | KsiTreo | poof go I. |
| 00:27.31 | bob_tm-away | KsiTreo: Don't tell me you're driving? |
| 00:28.41 | bob_tm-away | rwhitby-web: I made the decision - the answer is yes. I will inform on the list that it is pre-alpha. |
| 00:29.15 | rwhitby-web | good plan |
| 00:29.29 | rwhitby-web | lots of decisions today :-) |
| 00:29.43 | bob_tm-away | Decisions are good, at least when they are the right ones :-) |
| 00:29.50 | bob_tm-away | Sometimes they are good anyway |
| 00:30.29 | rwhitby-web | has anyone built 4.7-alpha yet? |
| 00:31.00 | rwhitby-web | I'm especially looking for testing of external rootfs on sda1 or sdb1 |
| 00:31.11 | rwhitby-web | and how that interacts with stock apps |
| 00:39.05 | CIA-1 | 03ingeba * 10unslung/Makefile: OpenVPN and lzo ready for cross testing |
| 00:44.17 | rwhitby-web | bob_tm-away: Papal decree sent. |
| 00:44.38 | bob_tm-away | rwhitby-web: Proud of you |
| 00:44.47 | rwhitby-web | aww gee |
| 00:44.51 | bob_tm-away | :-) |
| 00:46.39 | rwhitby-web | I think xinetd should enable telnet by default. |
| 00:47.13 | bob_tm-away | Read it - good call. Yes - I thought the same. They can always to "disable=yes" once they have a stable dropbear. |
| 00:47.30 | rwhitby-web | security conscious people can easily disable it. and now that we have conffiles working, their modification will stick |
| 00:47.55 | bob_tm-away | What about conflicting files? We let people fix it manually? |
| 00:48.08 | rwhitby-web | what conflicting files? |
| 00:48.11 | bob_tm-away | eg vsftp conf vs. proftpd conf |
| 00:48.20 | bob_tm-away | or.. (good heavens) ftpd conf |
| 00:48.27 | rwhitby-web | put Conflicts in the ipk |
| 00:48.49 | bob_tm-away | Yes - I will add that. Maybe ftpd should either die or become a package of its own then? |
| 00:48.53 | rwhitby-web | we should deprecate ftpd out of inetutils too |
| 00:49.01 | bob_tm-away | Yes - agreed |
| 00:49.17 | bob_tm-away | The two others are both good sw |
| 00:59.12 | CIA-1 | 03ingeba * 10unslung/make/findutils.mk: Very minor change - just want it in sync with CVS and don't plan to make further changes for a while |
| 01:08.32 | bob_tm-away | rwhitby-web: Please remind me that we should do a brushup of /dev to have device nodes for the device driver modules we expect to be used. Also we should consider Josh's pty change if it is not already in. |
| 01:10.13 | rwhitby-web | yes, we can add as many /dev nodes as we want. I've already added 4 ttyUSB nodes |
| 01:11.00 | rwhitby-web | I'm looking for josh to commit to testing the pty change before it goes in. as far as I can see, it's not absolutely essential for the 4.x-beta, but I'm happy to be convinced otherwise. |
| 01:17.59 | rwhitby-web | bob_tm-away: you need to get bk working, so you can add /dev nodes to openembedded/files/device_table-unslung.txt yourself ... |
| 01:18.13 | bob_tm-away | Yes (*blush*) |
| 01:34.53 | bob_tm-away | Just had the thought thought that ftpd might be worth saving for those who want to run on flash only - do we intend to support that? Found in the process that inetutils does not strip execs. |
| 01:44.30 | rwhitby-web | if you're running flash only, what do you have available to provide via ftp? only the internal flash contents - not very useful |
| 01:44.40 | rwhitby-web | back later |
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| 01:47.34 | novacane_22 | has anybody tried connecting a usb sound card to the slug? |
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| 02:20.07 | Tiersten_ | novacane_22: Not that I know of. Don't forsee any trouble with it however assuming the applications you run are okay with it being a big endian system |
| 02:20.34 | ByronT-Away | wasn't there some discussion in the mailing list? |
| 02:20.44 | Tiersten | Maybe. Can't remember |
| 02:20.59 | Tiersten | :) |
| 02:21.14 | Tiersten | If so, feel free to search the archives at yahoogroups.com :) |
| 02:22.08 | ByronT-Away | or use the HTTP <==> Email Gateway to search them |
| 02:30.14 | novacane_22 | thanks, I did search the archives the other day and there was some posts on usb sound back in Dec, but it does not look like anything come of it |
| 03:09.33 | rwhitby-web | hey dyoung-web |
| 03:09.33 | rwhitby-web | tried 4.7 yet? |
| 03:15.48 | dyoung-web | Nope not yet. |
| 03:15.58 | dyoung-web | Thats for the weekend I think |
| 03:16.10 | dyoung-web | maybe tonight I can look |
| 03:40.28 | rwhitby-web | we need to test maintenance mode (the fact that it shouldn't appear as an option if running from external disk) |
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| 07:24.05 | CIA-1 | 03bzhou * 10unslung/ (Makefile make/xterm.mk): xterm ready for testing (cross) |
| 07:27.23 | CIA-1 | 03bzhou * 10unslung/ (Makefile make/bc.mk): bc ready for testing (cross) |
| 07:48.27 | siddy-away | bob_tm-away: no problem! ;) |
| 07:52.09 | dyoung-zzzz | Hi siddy-away |
| 07:53.15 | siddy | hey dyoung! |
| 07:53.27 | dyoung | CSR 1.5 got the better of me. |
| 07:53.51 | dyoung | Were you on Holiday BTW? |
| 07:54.29 | siddy | No, no holiday, I've been quite busy last days. :\ |
| 07:54.42 | siddy | exam, cebit, work, etc pp... ;) |
| 07:54.49 | dyoung | sorry to hear that, I thought might be on holiday! |
| 07:55.12 | siddy | What's the improvement of CSR 1.5? |
| 07:55.45 | dyoung | Far as I can tell no salient feature improvement for our applications. the big thing is its LE Capable. |
| 07:56.22 | siddy | ah, so we could switch the whole openslug to le? |
| 08:00.12 | dyoung | In theory; but that would require changes to the bootloader. |
| 08:00.18 | dyoung | And I'm not sure how worth it it is. |
| 08:00.29 | dyoung | Gut feeling tells me, "waste of time". |
| 08:01.36 | siddy | hm... we would gain compatability with my beloved debian-distro, but that would be about all, I guess. ;) |
| 08:02.24 | siddy | I'd say, let's stick with big endian. Never change a running system! ;) |
| 08:05.29 | siddy | btw: what's the current-status of the amd64-opensluggers? Does image-creation work for them atm? |
| 08:05.55 | siddy | I hope, I will join them in some days... :-D |
| 08:16.11 | perlguru | I am running openslug now (which is build on my AMD64) |
| 08:19.24 | siddy | cool, so it seems to work... ;) man, I'm desperately waiting for this piece of hardware, about 6 more days and it'll be mine! |
| 08:20.35 | perlguru | siddy, 'this'?? |
| 08:21.24 | siddy | my new amd64-system |
| 08:22.06 | perlguru | cool. |
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| 08:29.18 | perlguru | mmm, i just did a ssh-keygen on the slug and the passphrase was echoed! bad. security risc. red alert! ;) |
| 08:39.55 | dyoung | has anyone updated openssh in unslung packages to 4.0 yet? |
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| 09:30.10 | rwhitby | nope |
| 09:48.17 | dyoung | Wow, I just found out I have a 2nd DIMM Socket in this T42. |
| 09:48.30 | CIA-1 | 03rwhitby * 10unslung/make/libtopfield.mk: Added libtopfield - untested |
| 09:57.02 | CIA-1 | 03rwhitby * 10unslung/make/ftpd-topfield.mk: ftp-topfield - builds, but not tested |
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| 13:56.19 | CIA-1 | 03febertra * 10unslung/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 13:56.19 | CIA-1 | Added package "byRequest", a TiVo HMO server. This package compiles |
| 13:56.19 | CIA-1 | the latest "byRequest" sources found in the CVS repository at |
| 13:56.19 | CIA-1 | sourceforge. Images can not be served, as it requires "Imagemagick" |
| 13:56.19 | CIA-1 | but MP3 work all right. |
| 13:56.23 | ByronT-Away | dyoung, that socket is a PITA to get to |
| 13:57.26 | ByronT-Away | I ordered my T42 with minimal mem.. and upgraded right away to to 512MB sticks... getting the keybd off was scary |
| 14:09.11 | CIA-1 | 03febertra * 10unslung/Makefile: Added "byRequest" to the "ready to test" list. |
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| 15:25.21 | bob_tm-away | rwhitby: PackagingBestPractices updated. |
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| 17:32.56 | CIA-1 | 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/proftpd/proftpd.xinetd: Renamed file |
| 17:48.24 | CIA-1 | 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/proftpd/rc.xinetd.proftpd: Removed support for Linksys inetd |
| 17:50.38 | CIA-1 | 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/proftpd/inetd.conf.proftpd: Removed support for inetutils inetd |
| 17:51.25 | CIA-1 | 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/proftpd/proftpd: Renamed xinetd config file |
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| 18:40.54 | VoodooZ_Work | OT: I added the -pg option to my CFLAGS in my makefile to get profiling output but when I run the binary I don't get the gmon.out. any ideas? |
| 18:41.26 | kergoth | the binary being stripped? |
| 18:41.44 | kergoth | if you're doing builds in oe, read local.conf.sample, it tells you how to build something for profiling with oe |
| 18:41.46 | VoodooZ_Work | uh? I don't think so |
| 18:41.53 | kergoth | should work fine then |
| 18:41.54 | kergoth | dunno |
| 18:41.56 | VoodooZ_Work | actually, I'm testing it on my portable for now. |
| 18:41.58 | kergoth | its always worked fine for me |
| 18:42.10 | VoodooZ_Work | what's the option for stip? |
| 18:42.16 | VoodooZ_Work | strip even |
| 18:42.23 | kergoth | ? |
| 18:42.27 | VoodooZ_Work | Perhaps my makefile is doing it. |
| 18:42.32 | kergoth | option? |
| 18:42.38 | VoodooZ_Work | command line argument |
| 18:42.42 | kergoth | ? |
| 18:42.54 | kergoth | 'strip' is a command. i dont understand the question |
| 18:42.59 | VoodooZ_Work | ok, what did you mean by your stripped question int he first place? |
| 18:43.10 | kergoth | i meant what i said. |
| 18:43.38 | VoodooZ_Work | let me check check my makefile then. |
| 18:44.07 | kergoth | make sure there's no '-s' in the LDFLAGS, as that's how you strip at link/compile time. |
| 18:44.12 | VoodooZ_Work | I tried using -g also but still no output. |
| 18:44.22 | VoodooZ_Work | ah! that's what I was wondering about. |
| 18:44.24 | kergoth | and make sure the calls to 'install' in your install target arent using its -s option, which calls out strip when installing. |
| 18:44.34 | VoodooZ_Work | nod |
| 18:44.52 | VoodooZ_Work | It's a home-made makefile so there's just the basics. |
| 18:44.58 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 18:45.40 | VoodooZ_Work | work is kind of slow this afternoon so I thought I'd learn how to use gprof to further optimize my CV code. |
| 18:45.53 | kergoth | cool. its a useful tool |
| 18:45.56 | VoodooZ_Work | yep. |
| 18:46.02 | VoodooZ_Work | did you start your new job yet? |
| 18:46.09 | kergoth | i dont have a new job yet :) |
| 18:46.14 | VoodooZ_Work | oops. |
| 18:46.28 | VoodooZ_Work | Sorry, I just knew you were leaving the old one and assumed. |
| 18:46.39 | VoodooZ_Work | Just doing some recreational coding for a while ? :) |
| 18:46.58 | kergoth | dont want to take another coding job and find myself in this same unhappy unproductive crappy position a year from now |
| 18:47.10 | kergoth | going to take a few months, do some consulting, do some work for a friend of mine, to pay the bills |
| 18:47.15 | kergoth | try to figure out what i -want- to be doing |
| 18:48.47 | giel | maybe you should be ic designer |
| 18:48.51 | VoodooZ_Work | that's the right thing to do. |
| 18:49.10 | VoodooZ_Work | You look like you were working pretty hard there so take it easy and enjoy the summer. |
| 18:49.18 | giel | drive your crossfire :) |
| 18:49.31 | kergoth | going back to MN, since i own a townhouse there. stay with my dad in that, cut the expenses |
| 18:49.34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:49.41 | ByronT | drink lots of beer |
| 18:49.44 | kergoth | VoodooZ_Work: you see that article about the coder that became a -bicycle messenger-? |
| 18:49.47 | giel | i know i'll be driving my convertible a lot this summer |
| 18:49.47 | kergoth | http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/3/19/133129/548 |
| 18:49.47 | giel | :) |
| 18:49.58 | VoodooZ_Work | eh? no. |
| 18:50.27 | VoodooZ_Work | damn right! I can't wait to take my bike out. It's like 7 degrees celsius today so next weekend for sure. |
| 18:50.38 | giel | biking is nice |
| 18:50.46 | VoodooZ_Work | motorcycling actually. |
| 18:50.50 | giel | ah |
| 18:51.05 | giel | well, i had this nice bike, but all i've got now is a bunch of parts |
| 18:51.06 | giel | :) |
| 18:52.16 | VoodooZ_Work | kergoth: nope. I don't have any -s in my makefile unfortunately. |
| 18:52.25 | kergoth | well, i'm out of ideas then |
| 18:52.25 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:52.29 | VoodooZ_Work | my CFLAGS = -O0 -pg |
| 18:52.37 | VoodooZ_Work | ok. thanks anyways. |
| 18:53.56 | VoodooZ_Work | I'll read the gcc man page to see if there's some special option. |
| 18:55.16 | VoodooZ_Work | eureka!! |
| 18:55.36 | VoodooZ_Work | the man page says you need to use the -pg option for both compiler and linker! works |
| 19:03.11 | kergoth | congrats |
| 19:03.49 | VoodooZ_Work | very insightful stuff in there! |
| 19:04.05 | VoodooZ_Work | Any recommendation as to GUI for reading gmon.out? |
| 19:04.11 | VoodooZ_Work | I have found Kprof. |
| 19:04.38 | VoodooZ_Work | Not a necessity but could be useful. |
| 19:04.56 | CIA-1 | 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/xinetd/xinetd.reload: Initial check-in - utility to reload xinet configs |
| 19:38.04 | CIA-1 | 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/xinetd/prerm: Inital check-in |
| 19:43.30 | VoodooZ_Work | kergoth: kprof is pretty nice actually. |
| 19:43.59 | VoodooZ_Work | but then again, I know you're a CLI purist! :) |
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| 19:58.38 | kergoth | hehe. guis have their place. sometimes its nice to visualize. graphs of function call flow for example |
| 20:03.52 | bob_tm-away | rwhitby: You removed the xinetd pidfile? Any special reason? |
| 20:08.14 | giel | i like gnuplot for visualization |
| 20:11.30 | CIA-1 | 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/xinetd/postinst: Rewrote doc to match new setup |
| 20:13.17 | CIA-1 | 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/xinetd/xinetd.reload: Rewrote to work without pid file |
| 20:32.03 | CIA-1 | 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/xinetd/telnetd: Changed service name |
| 20:34.16 | rwhitby | bob_tm-away: I didn't intend to remove the pid file ... |
| 20:34.48 | bob_tm-away | rwhitby: Ok - S10xinetd had all options removed. Never mind - I coded around it. |
| 20:34.56 | bob_tm-away | Do you think we need it? |
| 20:36.32 | rwhitby | I thought I only removed the -f option, cause that's compiled in with the right path now. |
| 20:40.47 | rwhitby | bob_tm-away: should we put nsswitch.conf in the base firmware? |
| 20:41.54 | bob_tm-away | Yes - I thought we had, but maybe it was just among my backed up rootfs files |
| 20:50.13 | rwhitby | what's the minimum nsswitch.conf contents that we need? |
| 20:51.25 | rwhitby | e.g. we don't have shadow |
| 20:52.23 | rwhitby | or rpc, or ethers, or netmasks, or netgroups, or bootparams, or automount, or aliases. |
| 20:52.46 | rwhitby | passwd: compat |
| 20:52.47 | rwhitby | group: compat |
| 20:52.47 | rwhitby | hosts: files dns |
| 20:52.47 | rwhitby | networks: files dns |
| 20:52.47 | rwhitby | services: files |
| 20:52.48 | rwhitby | protocols: files |
| 20:53.06 | rwhitby | anything else which should go in there? |
| 20:56.26 | rwhitby | one of the packages already adds an nsswitch.conf just for hosts - apache perhaps? |
| 20:57.08 | caplink811-away | rwhitby: apache, yes |
| 20:57.27 | rwhitby | does it look to see if there is one there already? |
| 20:57.28 | caplink811-away | rwhitby: but with minimum -> hosts: files dns |
| 20:57.55 | caplink811-away | rwhitby: dunno, jp30 maintain it |
| 21:00.15 | rwhitby | ah, good, rc.apache checks first. |
| 21:00.52 | CIA-1 | 03rwhitby 07 * r1.3164.1.1 10openembedded/packages/nslu2-binary-only/ (unslung-rootfs_2.3r25.bb unslung-rootfs-2.3r25/nsswitch.conf): Added /etc/nsswitch.conf to Unslung rootfs |
| 21:00.58 | rwhitby | bob_tm-away: there you go :-) |
| 21:01.19 | bob_tm-away | rwhitby: Happy, happy |
| 21:02.25 | rwhitby | SlugBug#26 closed :-) |
| 21:03.05 | ka6sox-office | :-) |
| 21:03.30 | rwhitby | Now, what about this samba rc file error (SlugBug#127) - anyone know anything about that? |
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| 21:15.50 | CIA-1 | 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/xinetd/xinetd.reload: killall did not have modern syntax, so signal is not argument to -s |
| 21:16.53 | CIA-1 | 03ingeba * 10unslung/make/xinetd.mk: Now installs telnet service, does without pidfile and has reload util |
| 21:32.22 | caplink811-away | good evening, sorry for posting here, but on #nslu2-general it's quite this evening |
| 21:32.47 | caplink811-away | the docs o wiki are a little conflictive about te question |
| 21:33.24 | caplink811-away | if i have a setup with only one usb memory stick, which i want to unsling, should i use port 1 or port 2? |
| 21:34.26 | caplink811-away | the howto refers to port 2, the fax (13) to port 1!? |
| 21:35.05 | rwhitby | port 1 if you want it to be ext3 |
| 21:35.19 | caplink811-away | thx |
| 21:35.27 | rwhitby | where does it say port 2 ? |
| 21:36.18 | rwhitby | (so we can fix it) |
| 21:37.10 | caplink811-away | nope, sorry, did a misreading, the howto refers also to port one |
| 21:39.05 | rwhitby | and it will need to be 256MB or larger to format as ext3 |
| 21:40.12 | caplink811-away | thats np, this guy use a gig-stick |
| 21:41.25 | rwhitby | if it's a gig or larger, then it would also be recognised as ext3 in port 2. |
| 21:42.42 | ByronT-Away | the README has a statement to that effect (about flash reqs) |
| 21:46.36 | caplink811-away | ByronT-Away: Unslung-3.18-beta-README.txt ? be my guide, didn't found anything |
| 21:47.00 | ByronT-Away | one sec |
| 21:47.37 | caplink811-away | ByronT-Away: no bustle pls |
| 21:48.01 | ka6sox-office | a little hustle wouldn't hurt though. |
| 21:48.44 | dyoung | so whats the story with imagemagick? |
| 21:48.48 | dyoung | and why does it work for me? |
| 21:49.16 | ByronT-Away | Pre-Installation Considerations Point #4 |
| 21:49.23 | ByronT-Away | http://www.toddcomp.com/NSLU2/README.txt |
| 21:49.52 | ByronT-Away | that is the latest.... and is the one in the Repo (but not the one in the zip file or single file at sf.net) |
| 21:52.02 | rwhitby | dyoung: dunno - asked Brian on the list |
| 21:52.25 | rwhitby | It's a bit strange to say that something is broken, but not say how .... |
| 21:52.41 | dyoung | oh well, someone else can fix it. I'm tired of fixing it when it works for me. |
| 21:53.25 | dyoung | What I'm thinking is the byRequest requires the netpbm stuff. |
| 21:53.35 | dyoung | which is busted. |
| 21:53.51 | dyoung | and therefore imagemagick doesnt/cant depend it. |
| 21:54.19 | caplink811-away | ByronT-Away: thx |
| 21:56.41 | ByronT-Away | np |
| 21:58.02 | rwhitby | bob_tm-away: what is ftp-sensor? |
| 21:58.46 | bob_tm-away | rwhitby: It is nice - it is a service detector. You can use it to trap intrusion attempts and block their IP for a specified period of time. |
| 21:58.58 | rwhitby | bob_tm-away: can we call files by <foo>.conf in /opt/etc/xinetd.d/.. ? |
| 21:59.05 | bob_tm-away | rwhitby: It is disabled |
| 21:59.10 | bob_tm-away | rwhitby: Yes |
| 21:59.16 | rwhitby | e.g. s/telnetd/telnetd.conf/ ? |
| 21:59.17 | bob_tm-away | Anything |
| 21:59.29 | bob_tm-away | I suggested just the package basename |
| 21:59.37 | rwhitby | basename.conf please |
| 21:59.49 | bob_tm-away | Only restriction is that it cant start with "." or end with "~" |
| 22:00.01 | bob_tm-away | rwhitby: Ok |
| 22:00.07 | rwhitby | yep, neither can our package basenames :-) |
| 22:00.14 | bob_tm-away | :-) |
| 22:03.19 | CIA-1 | 03rwhitby * 10unslung/sources/xinetd/postinst: Added another line of explanation to the postinst. |
| 22:14.04 | rwhitby | bob_tm-away: passwd: compat stops openssh from working. Changing it to "files" (same for group) |
| 22:14.44 | bob_tm-away | rwhitby: Ok - I'm a Dropbear man, so I've never encountered it. |
| 22:18.06 | CIA-1 | 03rwhitby 07 * r1.3170 10openembedded/packages/nslu2-binary-only/ (unslung-rootfs_2.3r25.bb unslung-rootfs-2.3r25/nsswitch.conf): Fixed the nsswitch.conf for Unslung |
| 22:19.34 | rwhitby | dyoung: we want to remove the 'oe' repo too right? (I've removed the unslung-4.x branch repos which have now been subsumed into the mainline) |
| 22:19.46 | dyoung | Right, thats deprecated |
| 22:20.13 | rwhitby | ok, they're done |
| 22:20.31 | dyoung | we can make unslung-dev again later if we need it. |
| 22:20.38 | rwhitby | yeah |
| 22:23.55 | bob_tm-away | rwhitby: Not 100% happy with basename.conf as xinetd file name. It is contrary to tradition and more important: For most such packages there will be two files called basename.conf |
| 22:24.25 | rwhitby | ok, no problem - let's go with what you are comfortable with |
| 22:24.36 | bob_tm-away | I will |
| 22:27.51 | rwhitby | bob_tm-away: we could potentially make S10xinetd kill both xinetd and inetd processes - then the user wouldn't have to do it |
| 22:28.22 | bob_tm-away | rwhitby: I thought about it. Maybe that is better than a diversion script? |
| 22:28.42 | rwhitby | since we now enable telnetd by default, then I think it is |
| 22:29.08 | bob_tm-away | rwhitby: Did a complete brushup of inetutils. Inetd still in there, but will do xinet drop-ins for all servers once we make the break |
| 22:29.19 | rwhitby | would save the step of manual initiation, and the confusion on where to put the diversion script |
| 22:29.20 | bob_tm-away | rwhitby: Will you make the change? |
| 22:29.40 | bob_tm-away | rwhitby: Fine by me. |
| 22:29.57 | rwhitby | nope - you're the maintainer :-) |
| 22:30.01 | bob_tm-away | :-D |
| 22:30.03 | rwhitby | (unless you want me to) |
| 22:30.27 | bob_tm-away | rwhitby: Otherwise I wouldn't have asked. I'm reaching my concurrent thoughts limit |
| 22:31.35 | CIA-1 | 03rwhitby * 10unslung/sources/xinetd/S10xinetd: Now stops other inetd processes. |
| 22:32.14 | bob_tm-away | \o/ |
| 22:32.50 | CIA-1 | 03rwhitby * 10unslung/sources/xinetd/postinst: Postinst now starts xinetd by default with no user intervention required. |
| 22:33.19 | rwhitby | Should the prerm restart the stock inetd? |
| 22:34.15 | ByronT-Away | unslung 4.x - telnet is enabled by default? |
| 22:35.08 | rwhitby | no, xinetd - telnet is enabled by default |
| 22:35.33 | rwhitby | we should just go ahead and advise people to ipkg install xinetd immediately after unslinging |
| 22:35.52 | rwhitby | that will give them telnetd, and also set them up for other packages to follow |
| 22:36.12 | ByronT-Away | README note above |
| 22:36.13 | rwhitby | bob_tm-away: I'll make prerm run /etc/rc.d/rc.xinetd to restart the stock inetd. |
| 22:36.23 | bob_tm-away | rwhitby: Eh... yeah... can't think of a good reason why not. |
| 22:36.27 | ByronT-Away | ^ that was for my local IRC logs.... |
| 22:37.19 | CIA-1 | 03rwhitby * 10unslung/sources/xinetd/prerm: Now restarts stock inetd if xinetd is removed. |
| 22:37.59 | ByronT-Away | btw, bob_tm-away, if you want to make a suggestion for the READMEs while in channel... just do that... put "README note above" on a line and I'll catch it with my search mechanism |
| 22:38.34 | bob_tm-away | Good idea - will try to keep it in mind |
| 22:39.05 | ByronT-Away | yahoo desktop search is really nice (compared to google's offering) |
| 22:40.30 | rwhitby | really? what's better? |
| 22:40.38 | bob_tm-away | ByronT-Away: I hear this. My relationship with Yahoo is a bit strained because of their password paranoia |
| 22:41.11 | ByronT-Away | the yahoo desktop search is X1 search |
| 22:42.05 | ByronT-Away | http://www.x1.com/ |
| 22:42.24 | ByronT-Away | but yahoo desktop search does the same thing minus some features (network drive searching) |
| 22:42.48 | CIA-1 | 03rwhitby * 10unslung/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Modified xinetd to start automatically, removed diversion script, renamed S10xinetd to rc.xinetd in the sources, and also marked the ipk as 'required' now :-) |
| 22:43.50 | rwhitby | bob_tm-away: you may want to review those changes ... :-) |
| 22:44.00 | bob_tm-away | rwhitby: Will do |
| 22:44.21 | bob_tm-away | rwhitby: Did I explain the sensor function in xinetd clearly? Think of it as tcp_wrappers with timelimited black list |
| 22:45.06 | bob_tm-away | rwhitby: Move ssh to some other port, do sensor on port 22 and all IP's trying that port will be black listed |
| 22:45.16 | rwhitby | yeah |
| 22:45.56 | ByronT-Away | rwhitby, yahoo desktop searches EVERYTHING, whereas google search only searches known file types (and only the first MB of text files) |
| 22:47.46 | rwhitby | bob_tm-away: I think todays changes have taken Unsling a huge step forward as far as inetd processing goes. Now users can install packages which depend on xinetd without any manual steps. |
| 22:48.20 | rwhitby | bbiab |
| 22:48.34 | bob_tm-away | rwhitby: Yes - I believe it makes it much more user friendly. |
| 22:50.06 | rwhitby | I'm almost tempted to make it part of the base firmware .... |
| 22:50.26 | rwhitby | but no, let's keep it in /opt |
| 22:50.41 | rwhitby | just make lots of things depend on it :-) |
| 22:57.36 | rwhitby | ok, just tested the changeover from inetd to xinetd and back again - all seems to work as expected |
| 22:57.42 | rwhitby | back later |
| 23:08.47 | CIA-1 | 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/inetutils/control: Retired control file - now auto generated |
| 23:10.47 | CIA-1 | 03ingeba * 10unslung/make/inetutils.mk: Executables now stripped. Generates control file. Added talk client with ncurses |
| 23:14.20 | bob_tm-away | rwhitby: Very good. We have one BIG thing to deal with - making Unslung properly multiuser - going through modes and owners of package files etc. I suspect it to be a mess. |
| 23:31.30 | rwhitby | yep |
| 23:33.16 | bob_tm-away | rwhitby: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/SetupFtpd |
| 23:34.03 | rwhitby | yep |
| 23:34.24 | bob_tm-away | I will make a similar note for Inetutils inetd |
| 23:34.24 | rwhitby | install: cannot stat `/home/unslung/packages/sources/proftpd/rc.xinetd.proftpd': No such file or directory |
| 23:34.33 | rwhitby | bob_tm-away: error in proftpd-ipk |
| 23:34.35 | bob_tm-away | Argh |
| 23:35.08 | rwhitby | BTW, I usually call the startup script rc.foo in the source directory, and then install it as SXXfoo |
| 23:35.37 | bob_tm-away | Haven't check in the mk file yet |
| 23:35.39 | rwhitby | perhaps we can add that to the best practices, just to be consistent across all the packages |
| 23:37.05 | rwhitby | then changing the XX of the startup script ordering is only in one place ... |
| 23:37.39 | CIA-1 | 03ingeba * 10unslung/make/proftpd.mk: Added xinetd config file as direct drop-in. Removed support for Inetutils and Linksys inetd's |
| 23:38.20 | bob_tm-away | rwhitby: Will check that nothing is uncomitted in source/proftpd |
| 23:40.39 | CIA-1 | 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/proftpd/proftpd-install.doc: Rewrote to reflect that we install xinetd support and have dropped support for Linksys and Inetutils inetd |
| 23:40.53 | bob_tm-away | rwhitby: That's it. I have not yet put in conflict with vsftp or dependency/recommendent dependency on xinetd. |
| 23:41.03 | bob_tm-away | s/or/and/ - oh, I'm tired |
| 23:41.05 | rwhitby | bob_tm-away: so does proftpd start automatically on installation now? |
| 23:41.39 | rwhitby | (e.g. does it kill -HUP xinetd?) |
| 23:41.47 | bob_tm-away | No, you must type xinetd.reload. |
| 23:42.02 | bob_tm-away | In between the user should edit proftpd.conf |
| 23:42.18 | bob_tm-away | Maybe we should find a nice defaults for that file? |
| 23:42.35 | bob_tm-away | Note that xinetd.reload is in the latest xinetd only |
| 23:42.53 | rwhitby | yeah. apart from the reload (which the proftpd postinst could do) it started fine for me |
| 23:43.21 | rwhitby | dependencies can be version-based - so crosstools-native.control |
| 23:43.37 | bob_tm-away | Ah, nice! |
| 23:43.53 | bob_tm-away | This "recommended dependency" or whatever you called it - what is that? |
| 23:43.55 | rwhitby | s/so/see/ |
| 23:43.58 | bob_tm-away | Got it |
| 23:44.13 | bob_tm-away | Is the user prompted? |
| 23:44.14 | rwhitby | Instead of "Depends:" you put "Recommends:" |
| 23:44.31 | rwhitby | According to kergoth, it installs by default, but can be removed too |
| 23:44.38 | rwhitby | I haven't tried it myself. |
| 23:45.03 | bob_tm-away | Ah, nice one. Will put it in tomorrow. Gonna go sleep now. |
| 23:45.15 | kergoth`bbl | Suggests is the one that just tells the user they should install it, but doesnt do it automatically |
| 23:45.26 | rwhitby | proftpd can just "killall -HUP xinetd" - postinsts should do that directly instead of relying on an xinetd.reload convenience script. |
| 23:45.26 | kergoth`bbl | Recommends installs automatically, but that package can be removced without uninstalling the one that recommended it |
| 23:45.54 | bob_tm-away | kergoth`bbl: Are there any types of "weak conflict" that warns users? |
| 23:46.24 | rwhitby | maybe "Discouraged:" :-) |
| 23:46.34 | bob_tm-away | Nice one |
| 23:46.50 | kergoth`bbl | no. either something conflicts with something else or it doesnt |
| 23:46.55 | rwhitby | that's probably not a real directive - I just made it up :-) |
| 23:46.58 | kergoth`bbl | read the debian packaging policy manual |
| 23:47.01 | kergoth`bbl | ipkg follows that |
| 23:47.09 | bob_tm-away | Will do - tomorrow |
| 23:47.16 | rwhitby | night bob_tm-away |
| 23:47.25 | rwhitby | thanks for your help today |
| 23:47.26 | bob_tm-away | BTW: Gonna have a Synology DS-101 hacking party tomorrow |
| 23:47.41 | bob_tm-away | rwhitby: thanks |
| 23:49.37 | rwhitby-away | eno: nice job on the new packages |
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| 23:52.38 | rwhitby-away | hey [g2] |
| 23:53.53 | [g2] | rwhitby-away, hi! |
| 23:54.30 | rwhitby-away | any leaps forward on OpenSlug? |
| 23:54.54 | rwhitby-away | we've just put a new inetd infrastructure in unslung so packages can just drop things into /opt/etc/xinetd.d/... |
| 23:54.56 | [g2] | I've kinda been in hw hell the past day and a half |
| 23:55.24 | [g2] | rwhitby-away, sounds cool |
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| 23:55.54 | [g2] | I've notice a little bit, but I'm still testing the hw due to the power outage the other day |
| 23:56.18 | [g2] | I think the disk crashed and hosed up a spot in the .ccache |
| 23:56.33 | [g2] | which would segfault and lockup the system |
| 23:57.03 | [g2] | I've got like 5 cache files that I can't erase (even as su) |
| 23:57.13 | [g2] | but they are movable :) |
| 23:58.32 | CIA-1 | 03rwhitby * 10unslung/make/diffutils.mk: Fixed the clean target. |