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| 03:53.15 | kergoth | fyi |
| 03:53.17 | kergoth | http://www.bitkeeper.com/press/2005-03-17.html |
| 03:53.30 | kergoth | "BitMover announces Open Source Client for BitKeeper SCM system" |
| 03:53.32 | kergoth | works, too. |
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| 05:00.45 | dyoung | hehe, released under the "NWL" No Whining License. |
| 05:00.51 | kergoth | :) |
| 05:01.09 | kergoth | 21:51 < gb2> * - not whine about it; |
| 05:01.09 | kergoth | 21:51 < gb2> damn! |
| 05:01.09 | kergoth | 21:51 < gb2> we can't distribute it! |
| 05:01.54 | dyoung | that just cracks me up. NWL. hehe |
| 05:02.49 | rpedde | I'm not sure I can use something with a license that restrictive. |
| 05:02.53 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:04.32 | dyoung | Wow, rpedde is here! |
| 05:04.38 | rpedde | :) |
| 05:04.47 | kergoth | ~emulate brian |
| 05:04.48 | jbot | Hey, Peter, it's seven o'clock and you've still got your pants on. What's the occassion? |
| 05:05.09 | dyoung | rpedde, I added mt-daapd as a OE package some weeks ago, it works with openslug just fine. |
| 05:05.22 | rpedde | Ah, cool... |
| 05:05.40 | rpedde | I was thinking about getting another slug and playing with openslug |
| 05:06.09 | dyoung | Openslug still has a couple of issues; but it more or less works. |
| 05:06.09 | kergoth | http://www.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu/project-raif.html <-looks cool. based on unionfs |
| 05:06.23 | rpedde | I've been working on on-the-fly transcoding, so I've got about a jillion packages to check in. |
| 05:07.00 | rpedde | I was having some problems with getting sqlite to cross-compile, so I was going to ask for help, but I think I've got it taken care of. |
| 05:07.20 | dyoung | Ah cool! |
| 05:07.23 | kergoth | i dont recall sqlite being all that troublesome |
| 05:07.28 | kergoth | (not compared to many, anyway) |
| 05:07.56 | dyoung | brb food. |
| 05:08.30 | rpedde | Yeah... the only thing was that it uses the host compiler to build some build tools, and it kept trying to use the cross-cc rather than the host-cc. |
| 05:09.07 | rpedde | That, and the configure script just refused to even try and cross-compile, so I took out those checks, and it cross-compiles fine. |
| 05:10.59 | kergoth | ah thats right |
| 05:11.07 | kergoth | our cross patch for that is pretty ugly |
| 05:11.10 | kergoth | blech |
| 05:11.46 | rpedde | is it already in unslung packages? |
| 05:12.41 | kergoth | nah, i'm an oe/openslug guy |
| 05:12.46 | kergoth | so was referring to those patches |
| 05:12.53 | rpedde | gotcha |
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| 08:39.35 | MooZ | hello! |
| 08:45.30 | rwhitby-away | Moo |
| 08:45.35 | kergoth | heh |
| 08:46.16 | rwhitby-away | kergoth: how did the uclibc 0.9.19 turn out? |
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| 08:47.02 | kergoth | havent had time to fix the bug i ran into. occupied with other things lately |
| 08:47.14 | kergoth | finishing stuff up at ti, since my last day is a week from today |
| 08:47.38 | kergoth | remind me this weekend |
| 08:49.08 | rwhitby-away | ok, will do. thx. |
| 08:58.02 | MooZ | bye perlguru |
| 09:00.43 | perlguru | back... |
| 09:06.02 | kergoth | did anyone ever test perl in openslug? |
| 09:06.06 | kergoth | after i made those changes? |
| 09:07.07 | rwhitby-away | will build it now for openslug |
| 09:07.12 | kergoth | cool |
| 09:07.29 | kergoth | it works well in my colinux, but i dont think anyone ever tested it in openslug |
| 09:07.32 | kergoth | it _compiles_ for openslug |
| 09:07.37 | kergoth | but no one tested to see if it actually works |
| 09:31.41 | dyoung | Theres like a zillion perl ipks. I get the feeling it aint gonna fit on my 16MB Rootfs. |
| 09:32.03 | kergoth | hm? |
| 09:32.19 | rwhitby-away | I expect each one is tiny |
| 09:32.20 | kergoth | the perl binary and a couple core modules is small |
| 09:32.22 | kergoth | yeah |
| 09:32.30 | dyoung | Ah okay. Maybe theres hope then. |
| 09:32.32 | kergoth | its just highly granular packaging. you rarely need a lot of those |
| 09:32.45 | kergoth | we need to get automatic perl module dependency generation happening though |
| 09:32.53 | kergoth | otherwise its a seriously huge pain in the ass to install them all manually |
| 09:33.44 | dyoung | its just that its packing for like 10 minutes. ;-) |
| 09:33.53 | rwhitby-away | kergoth: can it generate a perl-all-modules.ipk which just lists everything? |
| 09:36.06 | kergoth | dont see any reason why not |
| 09:36.09 | kergoth | do it the way python does |
| 09:36.12 | kergoth | task-perl-everything |
| 09:36.23 | kergoth | we should also have a minimal core bits + core modules meta package |
| 09:36.25 | kergoth | task-perl-minimal |
| 09:36.27 | kergoth | or so |
| 09:37.11 | rwhitby-away | Well, the famous WRT54GS featured at www.rwhitby.net/wrt54gs/serial.html is going to a new home tomorrow. It's being sold to someone who probably will never use the serial ports on it. Hmm - maybe I should recover the AD232BK board .... |
| 09:38.06 | rwhitby-away | .. then again maybe not. I'd rather use the ones built into the DB9 shell space anyway ... |
| 09:39.00 | rwhitby-away | Why's it being replaced? Simply because it's not vertically mounted. |
| 09:39.34 | dyoung | And its time for that new Asus with 32MB |
| 10:05.26 | CIA-1 | 03ingeba * 10unslung/Makefile: Added libol to Makefile list of cross packages |
| 10:10.21 | rwhitby-away | No, I've decided that the router should just be a router and a recovery server for the slugs, and everything else should be done on the slugs. |
| 10:11.29 | rwhitby-away | So the router has three usb-serial cables, and runs openssh and atftpd and microcom. So no need for lots of memory. |
| 10:12.30 | rwhitby-away | I figured I don't want to run things like apache on the router, cause they could cause an out of memory condition (no matter what the memory size) and stop it routing. That would be bad. So fixed memory size stuff only. |
| 10:13.49 | rwhitby-away | dyoung: mt-daapd fails on download on openslug ... upstream must have changed. |
| 10:17.11 | rwhitby-away | Interesting .... lots of linux-wrt changes in the latest pull ... 2.4.20 only though. |
| 10:19.44 | rwhitby-away | heh - linux-wrt_2.4.20.bb seems to have an openslug cut-n-paste in it :-) |
| 10:19.51 | kergoth | heh, wouldnt surprise me |
| 10:19.58 | kergoth | it isnt ready for primetime yet, need to push more fixes |
| 10:20.23 | rwhitby-away | is this a "build openwrt firmware from OE" effort? |
| 10:20.31 | kergoth | yep |
| 10:20.35 | rwhitby-away | cool |
| 10:20.59 | kergoth | its one of those things where openwrt is willing to move to it, but not until they see something useful out of it. catch 22. |
| 10:21.04 | kergoth | so i'm doing the initial footwork :) |
| 10:21.05 | rwhitby-away | that means it will be easy to make it run on the Asus too :-) |
| 10:21.25 | rwhitby-away | yeah, that's how you hooked us, right :-) |
| 10:21.28 | kergoth | :) |
| 10:21.51 | CIA-1 | 03rwhitby 07 * r1.3090.1.1 10openembedded/packages/meta/openslug-packages.bb: Added sudo and perl to openslug-packages, and demoted mt-daapd |
| 10:28.39 | dyoung | I dunno, I can still wget the mt-daapd-0.2.1.1.tar.gz from that location. |
| 10:45.13 | kergoth | why am i awake? |
| 11:00.19 | rwhitby-away | dyoung: let me try again |
| 11:00.33 | dyoung | there was an error. |
| 11:00.36 | dyoung | my bad. |
| 11:01.00 | dyoung | I just pushed the change. For somereason CIA doesnt report me. |
| 11:01.10 | dyoung | (no BK_SILENT is not set) |
| 11:01.33 | rwhitby-away | yeah, just saw the email |
| 11:03.27 | rwhitby | now, what to work on tonight ..... |
| 11:05.37 | CIA-1 | 03dyoung 07 * r1.3097 10openembedded/packages/nail/nail_11.21.bb: A enhanced mailx replacement |
| 11:05.50 | rwhitby | Maybe I'll package up sslmuxssh ... |
| 11:06.12 | dyoung | I've been packing u all the stuff that gets used by prodslug. |
| 11:06.32 | rwhitby | to convert prodslug from unslung to openslug? |
| 11:06.36 | dyoung | Yes. |
| 11:07.16 | dyoung | kergoth put openssh 4.0 in there too, so thats gonna be a nice upgrade. |
| 11:07.30 | dyoung | "in there" = into oe. |
| 11:07.49 | rwhitby | sslmuxssh is a nifty little program that I wrote which multiplexes both ssl and ssh onto the same port (usually 443). |
| 11:08.23 | kergoth | openssh 4 is looking nice. i was really surprised to see that a lot of changes were done to the configure script to handle crosscompilation |
| 11:08.29 | kergoth | :) |
| 11:08.43 | rwhitby | if you put ssh on your public 22 port, then every hacker and his dog tests it out. if you put it on 443, then not only is it less "knocked on", but you can also get to it from a corporate proxy. |
| 11:09.12 | kergoth | heh, cool |
| 11:10.01 | dyoung | Thats kinda handy. |
| 11:10.03 | kergoth | dyoung: does nail support ssl? been looking for a decent ssmtp app for sending mails out |
| 11:10.27 | rwhitby | since ssl is a "client speaks first" protocol, and ssh is a "server speaks first" protocol, it's easy to distinguish which is happening. Then you just copy to/from a socket to another port on another machine for that connection (depending on whether it is ssl or ssh). |
| 11:11.26 | rwhitby | so you expose a single 443 port, which handles both ssh and ssl traffic for you. |
| 11:11.48 | rwhitby | 150 lines of C |
| 11:12.05 | dyoung | kergoth, its supposed to support STARTTLS or SMTPS or SMTP AUTH, but I havnt used those functions yet.. |
| 11:12.38 | kergoth | hmmk |
| 11:12.41 | kergoth | will have to play around |
| 11:12.56 | dyoung | http://nail.sourceforge.net/ |
| 11:13.06 | rwhitby | perl is now in the openslug ipk feed |
| 11:13.08 | dyoung | Me too, I gotta play with that stuff yet. |
| 11:13.58 | dyoung | rwhitby, Cool. I'd use that. |
| 11:14.25 | kergoth | test it! :) |
| 11:14.31 | kergoth | i need confirmation that it works on a slug |
| 11:14.43 | rwhitby | kergoth: you have a slug, right ? ;-) |
| 11:14.55 | kergoth | collecting dust. i need another ethernet switch and another power strip |
| 11:14.58 | kergoth | too many devices |
| 11:15.01 | dyoung | hehe ultimately it didnt fit in the 1M that was leftover in my rootfs. so I'll try again when I free the hard drive. |
| 11:15.33 | dyoung | And now the germs are *really* telling me to go to sleep. so see y'all later. |
| 11:15.42 | kergoth | night |
| 11:15.43 | rwhitby | night dyoung-zzzz |
| 11:16.09 | rwhitby | root@nslu2:~# perl -v |
| 11:16.09 | rwhitby | perl: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libperl.so.5: undefined symbol: __udivsi3 |
| 11:16.23 | rwhitby | openslug, glibc |
| 11:16.40 | rwhitby | with perl and libperl5 installed onl |
| 11:16.42 | rwhitby | only |
| 11:17.03 | kergoth | eh? |
| 11:17.07 | kergoth | udivsi3 is part of libgcc |
| 11:17.17 | kergoth | somethings very wrong there. |
| 11:18.48 | rwhitby | I have ld-2.3.3.so, libc.so.6, libm.so.6 and libgcc_s.so all installed in /lib (normal openslug versions) |
| 11:20.10 | kergoth | i have no idea what would cause that. |
| 11:20.17 | kergoth | its like libperl or perl werent linked against libgcc |
| 11:20.21 | kergoth | which is nonsensical |
| 11:20.23 | rwhitby | yeah, neither do I |
| 11:20.36 | kergoth | ld/gcc links against libgcc automatically if anything from it is used |
| 11:20.47 | rwhitby | just compiling strace now to have a closer look |
| 11:25.37 | rwhitby | kergoth: if I have a single .c file, what is the quickest way to get it into OE ? |
| 11:26.16 | kergoth | put it on a server somewhere oe can grab it from. could also put it in oe itself, but i'd really rather avoid that unless absolutely necessary |
| 11:26.24 | rwhitby | it's on my hard drive here, and nowhere else on the internet |
| 11:26.37 | rwhitby | but I could put it up on my personal sf.net area |
| 11:26.43 | kergoth | there are a few packages that have tarballs sitting on the oe site |
| 11:26.46 | kergoth | so that could work too |
| 11:26.54 | CIA-1 | 03rwhitby 07 * r1.3098 10openembedded/packages/meta/openslug-packages.bb: Added mt-daapd, strace and nail to openslug-packages. |
| 11:27.15 | rwhitby | ok, and is there an example package you can think of that just has a single .c file (no Makefile or anything)? |
| 11:27.46 | kergoth | grep '${CC}.*\.c' openembedded/packages/*/*.bb |
| 11:27.50 | kergoth | heh |
| 11:28.49 | rwhitby | etherpuppet :-) thx |
| 11:39.17 | rwhitby | kergoth: libraries read as perl executes are: libperl5.so, libnsl.so.1, libdl.so.2, libm.so.6, libcrypt.so.1, libutil.so.1, libc.so.6. Then the undefined symbol error. |
| 11:42.27 | kergoth | as far as i know, udivsi3 comes from libgcc, not libgcc_s (the static piece). in which case, the only possible cause of this would be that the libgcc.a symbols got pulled into the link of one of those dependent perl libraries, but in your build environment only, not runtime. so it used whatever version was available in the .so when it was linked, but then at runtime that symbol isnt in the shared libraries |
| 11:42.33 | kergoth | no idea what would cause that |
| 11:43.03 | kergoth | heh |
| 11:43.15 | CIA-1 | 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/libvorbis/configure.patch: Removes library search of local paths which prevents cross compilation |
| 11:43.49 | CIA-1 | 03ingeba * 10unslung/make/libvorbis.mk: Added patch to enable cross compile |
| 11:46.02 | kergoth | rwhitby: itd help if you could 'nm' those .so's, in your toolchain libdir and/or staging area, and track down the rogue __udivsi3 |
| 11:51.41 | rwhitby | where do I find the right nm to use? |
| 11:52.14 | rwhitby | ah - cross/bin/... |
| 11:52.57 | rwhitby | rwhitby@nudi:/home/openslug/tmp$ ./cross/bin/armeb-linux-nm staging/armeb-linux/lib/libc.so.6 | grep udivsi |
| 11:52.57 | rwhitby | 000e53d0 t __udivsi3 |
| 11:53.38 | rwhitby | weird |
| 11:55.17 | kergoth | now compare to the libc.so.6 in the rootfs |
| 11:56.52 | rwhitby | rwhitby@nudi:/home/openslug/tmp$ ./cross/bin/armeb-linux-nm rootfs/lib/libc.so.6 | grep udivsi |
| 11:56.52 | rwhitby | ./cross/bin/armeb-linux-nm: rootfs/lib/libc.so.6: no symbols |
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| 11:57.07 | rwhitby | rwhitby@nudi:/home/openslug/tmp$ ls -l rootfs/lib/libc* |
| 11:57.08 | rwhitby | -rwxr-xr-x 1 rwhitby staff 1082868 Mar 13 05:42 rootfs/lib/libc-2.3.3.so |
| 11:57.08 | rwhitby | lrwxrwxrwx 1 rwhitby staff 13 Mar 18 03:28 rootfs/lib/libc.so.6 -> libc-2.3.3.so |
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| 11:58.29 | rwhitby | rwhitby@nudi:/home/openslug/tmp$ file rootfs/lib/libc-2.3.3.so |
| 11:58.29 | rwhitby | rootfs/lib/libc-2.3.3.so: ELF 32-bit MSB shared object, ARM, version 1 (ARM), stripped |
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| 12:00.25 | [g2] | rwhitby, morning |
| 12:00.28 | kergoth | ah, right, stripped |
| 12:00.35 | rwhitby | morning [g2] |
| 12:00.37 | [g2] | hey kergoth |
| 12:00.45 | [g2] | I'm gonna be on holiday for several days |
| 12:01.07 | [g2] | no wonder kergoth is *so* spunky |
| 12:01.31 | [g2] | kergoth, I got a kick out of your arm linux ml post yesterday |
| 12:01.36 | kergoth | i dont believe hte word 'spunky' has _ever_ been used to describe me |
| 12:01.51 | kergoth | [g2]: hehe. i found hte replies amusing |
| 12:01.54 | kergoth | (if harsh) |
| 12:02.08 | rwhitby | url? |
| 12:02.25 | kergoth | i jumped headlong into a flamefest on l-a-k |
| 12:02.29 | [g2] | well 100+ posts on that R1/R2 was a little excessive :) |
| 12:02.33 | kergoth | yeah |
| 12:02.49 | kergoth | i just didnt see what the big deal was. many machines maintain their own trees and/or patchsets anyway |
| 12:02.53 | [g2] | I bit my touge... pretty hard |
| 12:02.55 | kergoth | making the whole thing rather trivial |
| 12:02.57 | kergoth | _that_ was my point |
| 12:03.03 | kergoth | that no one managed to get, apparently |
| 12:03.06 | kergoth | oh well |
| 12:03.27 | [g2] | I was going to write something about ppl having too much time on their hands :) |
| 12:03.48 | kergoth | personally i like nico's patch, and i think itd be useful to have it merged. but i can also see rmk's point |
| 12:04.02 | kergoth | but really, i cant seem to manage to care |
| 12:04.06 | kergoth | its trivial |
| 12:04.10 | kergoth | anyway |
| 12:04.16 | kergoth | :) |
| 12:04.22 | [g2] | and last time "we were BINARY patching the kernel because we had neither the boot loader nor the kernel source" :) |
| 12:04.51 | [g2] | yeah... I think it was just a touchpoint |
| 12:05.11 | [g2] | but funny in a odd way |
| 12:06.11 | kergoth | :) |
| 12:12.01 | kergoth | you know, its really not very often that i get flamed like that. usually i'm the one doing the flaming |
| 12:12.16 | kergoth | :) |
| 12:15.42 | CIA-1 | 03rwhitby 07 * r1.3098.1.1 10openembedded/packages/muxsshssl/muxsshssl_1.0.bb: Added muxsshssl, but still waiting for sf.net CVS to update before it can be used. |
| 12:28.11 | giel | http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/281088 |
| 12:28.14 | giel | might be interesting |
| 12:28.16 | giel | initrd maker |
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| 13:11.54 | [g2] | catch you guys in a couple days |
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| 18:45.21 | perlguru | hi, quick question: convert (ImageMagick) gives: error while loading shared libraries: libltdl.so.3: cannot open shared object file |
| 18:45.33 | perlguru | where is the library? |
| 18:45.45 | perlguru | (not on the slug) |
| 18:46.58 | perlguru | Version: 6.1.7-5-4 |
| 18:51.14 | perlguru | which package provides libltdl?? |
| 19:02.41 | caplink811-away | perlguru: libtool |
| 19:05.54 | perlguru | is installed: Version: 1.5.10-2 |
| 19:07.05 | perlguru | reinstalled now. now it is 'there' |
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| 21:50.10 | perlguru | kernel 2.6.11.4 and 2.6.12-rc1 available on kernel.org |
| 22:06.28 | perlguru | night all |
| 22:19.33 | CIA-1 | 03rwhitby 07 * r1.3100.1.1 10openembedded/packages/muxsshssl/muxsshssl_1.0.bb: Fixed muxsshssl unpacking |
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| 22:55.17 | rwhitby-treo | ka6sox around? |
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| 23:35.49 | kergoth | muahahaha |
| 23:36.00 | kergoth | my oe is building inside my oe rootfilesystem |
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| 23:56.36 | ka6sox-zzzz | rwhitby: I'm' around |