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| 00:59.10 | CIA-1 | 03djf * 10unslung/sources/mutt/control: added deps: cyrus-sasl, libdb |
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| 01:33.18 | CompBrain | lol |
| 01:33.49 | rwhitby-web | so will netconsole go into unslung-able-4.x ? |
| 01:34.14 | CompBrain | ? |
| 01:36.32 | rwhitby-web | before all the land speed record talk, siddy announced that he had netconsole working |
| 01:36.41 | CompBrain | Oh |
| 01:38.14 | CompBrain | Unfortunatley, I didnt setup my irc logs by date, so I dont know what day im looking at anymore |
| 01:38.18 | CompBrain | heh |
| 01:38.48 | shenson | anyone tried the gdp ipk? |
| 01:38.59 | shenson | Oops should be gdb... |
| 01:41.01 | shenson | My first attempt messed up if ncurses was present but I think that's fixed now. |
| 01:43.37 | rwhitby-web | shenson: gdb hasn't been added to one of the READY_FOR_TESTING Makefile variables yet, so assume it's not ready for testing.... |
| 01:43.49 | rwhitby-web | ... so we assume .... |
| 01:45.05 | shenson | Erm its in NATIVE_AND_CROSS_PACKAGES_READY_FOR_TESTING |
| 01:45.34 | rwhitby-web | oh - was it added in the last 12 hours? |
| 01:47.35 | shenson | Log says date: 2005/02/15 18:00:30. |
| 01:47.56 | shenson | I'm new to this, just wondering what the procedure was. |
| 01:48.52 | rwhitby-web | Yep, I just checked and it is there. Weird that CIA didn't report it in the logs (which I did get a chance to check this morning, and gdb wasn |
| 01:48.59 | rwhitby-web | 't mentioned in them) |
| 01:49.14 | rwhitby-web | you've followed the procedure correctly :-) My mistake ... |
| 01:52.12 | shenson | Ah good, thanks. Please email me if there's any problems. |
| 01:52.30 | rwhitby-web | building now if you can wait ... |
| 01:52.51 | shenson | Yes sure. Native build takes a while :-) |
| 01:52.59 | rwhitby-web | building cross :-) |
| 01:55.03 | shenson | I don't get the chance to use IRC much. My "day job" is OpenSSL. |
| 01:56.14 | CompBrain | :P |
| 01:59.33 | rwhitby-web | so did we package openssl.ipk correctly ;-) |
| 01:59.37 | cpage_ | newbie bb q: i think i have everything set up, but i'm getting "ERROR: Nothing provides openslug-image" (used openslug instead of unslug when mentioned) |
| 02:00.37 | shenson | Yeah looks good. I've added some fixes for 0.9.7f which should make the build easier. |
| 02:00.48 | rwhitby-web | cool |
| 02:01.24 | jacques | cpage_, huh? |
| 02:01.33 | rwhitby-web | cpage_: probably an error in your local.conf file - check the variables there carefully. |
| 02:01.34 | cpage_ | ok |
| 02:01.37 | shenson | Is it right that the crypto accelerator stuff doesn't work on the slug? |
| 02:01.48 | rwhitby-web | it's a 420, not a 425 |
| 02:02.00 | rwhitby-web | (even though the kernel reports a 425) |
| 02:02.07 | jacques | building gdb cross I get: utils.c:61:20: curses.h: No such file or directory |
| 02:02.41 | rwhitby-web | my build is still going ... |
| 02:02.44 | jacques | cpage_, I don't really understand what you said, but I suspect you may need DISTRO = "openslug" |
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| 02:03.05 | dyoung-web | rwhitby, did you have a chance to bk heave-ho that unslung.conf change? |
| 02:03.22 | cpage_ | jacques - i had that... trying the reference local.conf in the wiki |
| 02:03.24 | rwhitby-web | dyoung-web: yep |
| 02:03.33 | dyoung-web | hmm |
| 02:03.40 | dyoung-web | you pu shed it to unslung-4.x repo? |
| 02:03.45 | rwhitby-web | dyoung-web: seemed that it was already fixed in unslung-4.x ... |
| 02:03.49 | dyoung-web | Its telling me theres nothing to heave ho. |
| 02:03.52 | dyoung-web | oh.. okay gotcha. |
| 02:04.16 | dyoung-web | I've been periodically heave-ho-ing from the main repo. |
| 02:04.20 | rwhitby-web | it built for me at least, but I didn't get a chance to test it (Elise woke up) |
| 02:04.38 | dyoung-web | I built tested 14 hours ago, it was working then. |
| 02:05.26 | shenson | There was a curses.h problem which I think I've fixed. |
| 02:06.04 | rwhitby-web | my gdb cross build finished successfully. |
| 02:06.30 | shenson | Ah good. It save me hours tracing a bug in ctorrent. |
| 02:06.49 | rwhitby-web | garpinc: I think there is a version problem with gift-opennap - it is continually repacking the ipk - can you fix ? |
| 02:08.17 | rwhitby-web | shenson: gdb ipk will be uploaded to the cross feed in the next half hour or so (it's doing a full upload of all packages, so it takes a while) |
| 02:10.03 | rwhitby-web | jacques: this will include the new crosstool-native version 5 which has the syslimits.h added to it. We can test it with a full rebuild of native and cross packages on gastro .... |
| 02:10.21 | shenson | OK, thanks. |
| 02:10.56 | jacques | rwhitby-web, check private comm |
| 02:11.38 | cpage_ | jacques - thanks - seems to be building now |
| 02:14.07 | shenson | I'd better get off. Its 2am here and I've lots of "SHA1 hacked" panic to look forward to tomorrow. |
| 02:15.07 | rwhitby-web | is this something we've heard here first ? |
| 02:16.38 | rwhitby-web | back later |
| 02:17.09 | shenson | It was announced at the RSA conference but its nowhere near as serious as some |
| 02:17.12 | shenson | are making out. |
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| 02:20.33 | jacques | cpage_, what did you change to make it work? |
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| 06:28.26 | tjyang | hey, anyone know how to enable objc in "crosstool", I am going to try GCC_LANGUAGES="c,c++,objc" in nslu2-cross335.sh. |
| 06:30.22 | tjyang | the goal is to have a crosstool-native gcc compiler with objective-C enabled. |
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| 06:58.44 | cpage_ | just booted openslug... ssh'd in |
| 06:59.21 | ka6sox | add yourself to the openslug group on groups.yahoo.com/nslu2-linux |
| 06:59.28 | ka6sox | there is a database section. |
| 06:59.42 | cpage_ | i'm already in the group |
| 06:59.49 | ka6sox | cool |
| 06:59.58 | ka6sox | I mean add your name to the group of opensluggers |
| 07:00.01 | cpage_ | ya |
| 07:02.34 | cpage_ | added |
| 07:02.45 | ka6sox | cool |
| 07:02.52 | ka6sox | I keep forgetting to add my name. |
| 07:03.19 | cpage_ | man... ixp425's ethernet driver throws interrupts like crazy |
| 07:03.28 | cpage_ | *ethernet portion? |
| 07:03.42 | ka6sox | yes...about 4k/sec |
| 07:03.45 | cpage_ | wow |
| 07:03.47 | ka6sox | or maybe 5k/sec |
| 07:04.00 | cpage_ | what'd happen if the interrupt was turned off and we simply polled the thing? |
| 07:04.20 | ka6sox | heya tjyangaway |
| 07:04.28 | ka6sox | cya soon! |
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| 07:05.10 | tjyang | ka6sox, I am back, almost ready for bed. |
| 07:05.37 | ka6sox | I should be headed that way too. |
| 07:05.51 | ka6sox | but I'm working on a problem. |
| 07:06.31 | tjyang | me too, I forgot how to trigger the compilation of crosstool ie toolchain. |
| 07:06.49 | ka6sox | is it already built? and you want to rebuild it? |
| 07:07.06 | tjyang | yes,sir, with objective-C language enabled. |
| 07:08.01 | ka6sox | okay you will need to go to your builds directory and throw away the .ipk and the directory for the crosstool build. |
| 07:08.07 | ka6sox | then you can make crosstool |
| 07:08.29 | tjyang | tried that, I ecen move build to build.old |
| 07:08.37 | ka6sox | hmmm |
| 07:08.38 | tjyang | ecen->even. |
| 07:09.06 | ka6sox | I need to look at the current makefile...brb |
| 07:09.29 | tjyang | thanks, that is ok. may be I am tired should go to bed. |
| 07:10.05 | tjyang | strugling with sleep head is no use ;) |
| 07:10.07 | dyoung | rm builds/crosstool-native* packages/crosstool-native* |
| 07:10.18 | dyoung | rm -rf even.... |
| 07:10.23 | dyoung | make crosstool-native |
| 07:10.52 | tjyang | not make crosstool-naive yet unstil make crosstool is ok. |
| 07:11.15 | dyoung | oh, okay then s/-native//g |
| 07:11.29 | dyoung | actually n t |
| 07:11.30 | dyoung | not |
| 07:11.38 | dyoung | you need to remove it from the toolchain directory. |
| 07:12.25 | dyoung | or something along those lines. |
| 07:12.29 | tjyang | I did this armv5b-softfloat-linux.old in toolchain even. |
| 07:13.28 | tjyang | ok I will give it another try since there are two helping hands here. |
| 07:13.31 | dyoung | ah, but crosstool directory thinks its built |
| 07:13.42 | dyoung | because toolchain/crosstool probably has a .built file in it |
| 07:14.33 | dyoung | so you will need to trick it by removing the .built and/or .configured; or just mv crosstool crosstool.old |
| 07:15.57 | tjyang | you know what ? move unslung unslung.old;cvs -d:ext:tjyang@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/nslu co unslung is quicker. |
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| 07:20.28 | tjyang | dyoung, rm toolchain/crosstool/.built did the trick, thanks |
| 07:21.10 | dyoung | Cool. |
| 07:21.11 | dyoung | ;-) |
| 07:21.44 | dyoung | You might have to remove the .configured too since you are trying to compile it differntly. |
| 07:23.48 | tjyang | hmm, I can't find .configured under toolchain/crosstool/* |
| 07:24.19 | tjyang | sorry, found it. |
| 07:25.07 | tjyang | [tjyang@dual crosstool]$ grep objc *.sh |
| 07:25.07 | tjyang | nslu2-cross335.sh:GCC_LANGUAGES="c,c++,objc" |
| 07:25.07 | tjyang | [tjyang@dual crosstool]$ |
| 07:25.39 | tjyang | am I modifing the right .sh file ? |
| 07:25.39 | dyoung | what is objc anyways? |
| 07:25.55 | tjyang | Objetive-C |
| 07:26.52 | dyoung | Yes, I believe thats the right file |
| 07:27.13 | tjyang | gnustep.org community like to have objc support.so they can port gnustep over to nslu2 ;) |
| 07:27.27 | dyoung | Anyone know what the story is with svn.berios.de tonight? |
| 07:27.38 | dyoung | berlios.de rather. |
| 07:28.53 | tjyang | make toolchain is compiling, time for bed. night all. |
| 07:29.01 | dyoung | Okay good luck! |
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| 08:05.35 | giel | morning |
| 08:05.46 | siddy | hi giel! |
| 08:06.44 | siddy | I finally got that damn console-message of the Oops, that kills my slug from time to time. |
| 08:06.51 | giel | nice |
| 08:07.12 | siddy | but I have no clue what it wants to tell me... ;) |
| 08:07.23 | giel | hey, a little busy now |
| 08:07.30 | giel | i'll be back in two hours or so |
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| 08:49.30 | perlguru-work | morning |
| 08:52.28 | ka6sox | morn |
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| 10:18.57 | giel | there |
| 10:18.59 | giel | i rule! |
| 10:19.06 | giel | ~hail me |
| 10:19.08 | jbot | ACTION bows down to giel and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 10:19.17 | xav | jbot: seen christopher ? |
| 10:19.18 | jbot | xav: i haven't seen 'christopher ' |
| 10:19.19 | giel | heh |
| 10:19.40 | xav | jbot: seen christopher |
| 10:19.41 | jbot | christopher is currently on #nslu2-linux |
| 10:19.56 | xav | jbot: you're weird |
| 10:22.09 | giel | ~jbot |
| 10:22.11 | jbot | methinks jbot is the shipboard computer, but you may call me eddie if it helps you relax |
| 10:22.24 | giel | eddie: seen xav |
| 10:22.32 | giel | stupid |
| 10:31.37 | ka6sox | ~seen xav |
| 10:31.39 | jbot | xav is currently on #nslu2-linux. Has said a total of 3 messages. Is idling for 11m 43s |
| 10:49.53 | ka6sox | ~seen jacques |
| 10:49.54 | jbot | jacques is currently on #intimate #nslu2-linux #oe #elinux #handhelds.org |
| 10:53.45 | xav | ~seen me |
| 10:53.47 | jbot | me <~me@ip503db214.speed.planet.nl> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 11d 16h 44m 38s ago, saying: 'Hey I'm trying to set up my scanner for a 2.6.9 kernel, but I can't seem to find the scanner module, did they change anything since 2.4?'. |
| 10:54.03 | xav | I never said that |
| 10:57.02 | dyoung | rwhitby around? |
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| 11:42.25 | dyoung | pushed. |
| 11:45.39 | dyoung | Can someone test unslung-4.x building please? |
| 11:46.27 | dyoung | my sysconf is hosed beyond recognition. |
| 11:46.47 | dyoung | switchbox 4.7 is pushed and works fine |
| 11:47.18 | dyoung | I can reboot with impunity. ;-) |
| 11:50.55 | giel | yay! |
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| 12:12.08 | tjyang | dyoung, look at this |
| 12:12.23 | tjyang | Reading specs from /export/home/tjyang/slug/unslung/toolchain/armv5b-softfloat-linux/gcc-3.3.5-glibc-2.2.5/lib/gcc-lib/armv5b-softfloat-linux/3.3.5/specs |
| 12:12.23 | tjyang | Configured with: /export/home/tjyang/slug/unslung/toolchain/crosstool/build/armv5b-softfloat-linux/gcc-3.3.5-glibc-2.2.5/gcc-3.3.5/configure --target=armv5b-softfloat-linux --host=i686-host_pc-linux-gnu --prefix=/export/home/tjyang/slug/unslung/toolchain/armv5b-softfloat-linux/gcc-3.3.5-glibc-2.2.5 --with-float=soft --with-cpu=xscale --enable-cxx-flags=-mcpu=xscale --with-headers=/export/home/tjyang/slug/unslung/toolchain/armv5b-soft |
| 12:12.23 | tjyang | cc-3.3.5-glibc-2.2.5/armv5b-softfloat-linux/include --with-local-prefix=/export/home/tjyang/slug/unslung/toolchain/armv5b-softfloat-linux/gcc-3.3.5-glibc-2.2.5/armv5b-softfloat-linux --disable-nls --enable-threads=posix --enable-symvers=gnu --enable-__cxa_atexit --enable-languages=c,c++,objc --enable-shared --enable-c99 --enable-long-long |
| 12:12.25 | tjyang | Thread model: posix |
| 12:12.27 | tjyang | gcc version 3.3.5 |
| 12:13.08 | tjyang | Objective-C host compiler is enabled on linux. |
| 12:13.15 | dyoung | ... |
| 12:13.19 | dyoung | But does it work? ;-) |
| 12:13.52 | dyoung | Congratulations BTW. youre probably the first to attempt that. |
| 12:14.07 | tjyang | I will use it to comiple a hello world objc file and use this to create crossstool-native. |
| 12:14.56 | dyoung | There must be a testing suite for it. |
| 12:15.10 | dyoung | to verify its doing The Right Thing (tm). |
| 12:15.20 | tjyang | should be, I will dig more. |
| 12:17.04 | tjyang | at first I didn't compile host compiler with objc enabled, I got error message complaining host compiler is not objecitve-C enabledcective-c enab |
| 12:17.19 | tjyang | when I try to comple crosstool-native. |
| 12:18.19 | tjyang | BTW, make crosstool should really clean up the .build and .configured, can you fix the Makefile ? |
| 12:18.56 | dyoung | that was intentional. |
| 12:19.10 | dyoung | because in general you dont want to rebuild the toolchain everytime. |
| 12:19.57 | tjyang | even not the developer type "make crosstool-clean" ? |
| 12:20.00 | dyoung | I throughly pissed off at unslung-4 now so I'm gonna go to sleep. |
| 12:20.31 | tjyang | yes, sleep it off, it helps at least to me ;) |
| 12:21.05 | tjyang | night |
| 12:24.24 | dyoung | If someone can look into it... It would help determine what is busted in my system. The diagnostic is something is blowing away the sysconf; and the jffs2 appears to be in the wrong place. I have a feeling this is specific to me though because I twidded one too many things and probably screwed up some header or trailer someplace. |
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| 13:42.54 | siddy | is anybody using the watchdog in openslug? |
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| 13:57.35 | siddy | cool, the watchdog seems to work... the slug is rebooting on it's own... eerie! |
| 13:57.45 | siddy | hehe, there it does! |
| 14:01.08 | [g2] | dog bites man! -- News at 11:00 |
| 14:01.53 | [g2] | siddy, you seem to be having a bunch of fun |
| 14:02.03 | VoodooZ_work | Yeah, I was wondering if that worked or not. |
| 14:02.07 | VoodooZ_work | morning. |
| 14:02.12 | [g2] | morning |
| 14:02.17 | VoodooZ_work | How did you get it to kick? |
| 14:02.51 | siddy | the watchdog? oh, quite easy, it's already in the kernel, just mknod its device and run some daemon to regularly write to the device. |
| 14:03.27 | [g2] | siddy, kernel / device hacker :) |
| 14:04.17 | VoodooZ_work | oh! I see. I noticed it's init banner on bootup but always assumed it was running already. |
| 14:04.21 | siddy | [g2], it's just an act of desperation, because I can't find out where my Oops comes from. |
| 14:05.17 | VoodooZ_work | What's the watchdog's minor/major? |
| 14:05.41 | siddy | mknod /dev/watchdog c 10 130 |
| 14:05.48 | VoodooZ_work | Thanks. |
| 14:06.21 | siddy | I'm running wd_keepalive out of http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/w/watchdog/watchdog_5.2.4.orig.tar.gz to write to the device. |
| 14:08.02 | VoodooZ_work | Cool. I'll add this to my notes. |
| 14:08.36 | VoodooZ_work | Does it monitor something in particular? |
| 14:09.38 | siddy | ? no, it's a hardware-watchdog, so it just monitors if you write to the device each 60 secs. If you do not => hard reset! |
| 14:10.07 | siddy | so it's very handy if you have regular kernel-Oopses... like I do. :-\ |
| 14:12.26 | VoodooZ_work | I meant, where is the reset code residing? In the kernel? Or user-space? |
| 14:12.53 | xav | in hardware usually |
| 14:12.54 | siddy | no, in hardware. That's the "hard" in "hard reset" ;) |
| 14:13.31 | VoodooZ_work | sorry, I'm not expressing myself correctly again (waiting for coffee to kick in!): |
| 14:13.54 | VoodooZ_work | I mean, where is the code that kicks the dog? kernel? |
| 14:14.26 | xav | a watchdog is just a timer connected to the reset line |
| 14:14.26 | siddy | no, that's in userspace. |
| 14:14.55 | VoodooZ_work | I'm wondering because if it's in user space than it's possible for that process to die but not the kernel. right. I know it's not full proof. |
| 14:15.29 | VoodooZ_work | (I know the hardware part) Just wondering about the actual code that keeps waking up the dog. |
| 14:15.42 | xav | that's exactely the point |
| 14:15.47 | siddy | yes, if wd_keepalive dies unexpectedly, the watchdog will trigger a reset. |
| 14:15.59 | VoodooZ_work | I guess that does the job. |
| 14:16.16 | siddy | but, it's a _very_ simple app, so it won't die too often without reason! ;) |
| 14:16.24 | VoodooZ_work | i see. |
| 14:19.48 | [g2] | Be nice... please pet the dog |
| 14:26.21 | VoodooZ_work | hehehe |
| 14:28.08 | siddy | [g2], I got the kernel-messages from a crash last night via netconsole. |
| 14:28.17 | siddy | but it doesn't tell me too much... :-\ |
| 14:29.50 | VoodooZ_work | I noticed the posting about the hotplug-ng thing yesterday. Looks interesting. |
| 14:30.12 | giel | juj for s5! |
| 14:41.46 | VoodooZ_work | kergoth: You're planning on adding hotplug-ng as a package you said? That would be really nice. Thanks in advance. |
| 14:41.59 | VoodooZ_work | OE is very cutting edge! |
| 14:48.58 | VoodooZ_work | kergoth: I just compiled the hotplug-ng and it compiled without problem with my cross compiler. I can't access my slug from work today though so we'll see later. |
| 14:51.24 | giel | good! |
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| 15:35.26 | Kirk_22 | hello all |
| 15:35.33 | VoodooZ_work | hi |
| 15:36.14 | Kirk_22 | what's the best ftp daemon to run on the NSLU2? |
| 15:37.30 | rwhitby-away | openssh - run sftp for secure ftp. if you want insecure ftp, then vsftpd or proftpd |
| 15:39.03 | Kirk_22 | thanks-I wanted to set up an insecure FTP to see how G4U works with it |
| 15:45.07 | CIA-1 | 03rwhitby * 10unslung/Makefile: Promoted gdb |
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| 15:45.43 | Kirk_22 | What am I doing wrong - I tried ipkg install vsftpd and I get: No space left on device |
| 15:48.38 | CIA-1 | 03rwhitby * 10unslung/Makefile: Promoted gconv-modules. |
| 15:48.45 | rwhitby-away | did you unsling ? |
| 15:49.05 | rwhitby-away | if you have filled your flash, then you're in trouble .. |
| 15:49.10 | Kirk_22 | if you are asking me - yes |
| 15:49.30 | rwhitby-away | is your conf partition full? |
| 15:49.52 | Kirk_22 | conf partition has 4% used |
| 15:50.16 | Kirk_22 | root directory is full |
| 15:51.02 | CIA-1 | 03rwhitby * 10unslung/make/gift-opennap.mk: Fixed the version. |
| 15:52.14 | rwhitby-away | is /opt a real directory, or a symbolic link |
| 15:53.40 | rwhitby-away | (I'm assuming you're running 3.18, otherwise you would have told me what version of Unslung you are running ...) |
| 15:53.46 | Kirk_22 | sec - rebooting |
| 15:54.13 | rwhitby-away | hmm - not a wise thing to do if your root directory is full .... |
| 15:54.14 | Kirk_22 | yes - just downloaded the latest this morning from sourceforge |
| 15:54.32 | Kirk_22 | d'oh |
| 15:54.41 | rwhitby-away | how did your root directory get full? |
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| 15:55.14 | Kirk_22 | beats the heck out of me - it's my first day playing with this |
| 15:55.38 | rwhitby-away | did you run /sbin/unsling after you flashed the firmware? |
| 15:55.51 | Kirk_22 | yes I did |
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| 15:56.22 | rwhitby-away | ok, so ipkg should be installing stuff in /opt which should be a symlink onto your attached storage device |
| 15:56.34 | Kirk_22 | then updated busybox |
| 15:57.16 | Kirk_22 | it looks like it's having trouble rebooting |
| 15:57.35 | pTweety | hi |
| 15:58.22 | rwhitby-away | Kirk_22: I expect that somehow you have filled the flash (perhaps the disk did not mount properly?) and that will probably mean you will need to reinstall the firmware |
| 15:58.30 | pTweety | I ask myself how we want to provide perl modules. as ipk or only by cpan shell? |
| 15:59.07 | rwhitby-away | pTweety: I would suggest cpan shell, cause then we have no maintenance overhead. |
| 15:59.18 | Kirk_22 | I think you're right, I suppose I should check the wiki to recover from a bad flash? |
| 15:59.26 | rwhitby-away | Kirk_22: tep |
| 15:59.29 | rwhitby-away | yep |
| 16:00.23 | pTweety | rwhitby-away, if user want to install e.g. spamassin with a lot of prerequisits than they can't have an ipk |
| 16:01.21 | rwhitby-away | well, they can, but it won't work without the right perl modules installed :-) |
| 16:01.25 | rwhitby-away | I see your point |
| 16:01.55 | pTweety | I dislike the idea to package spamassassin and all deps in one package |
| 16:02.01 | pTweety | therefore I asked |
| 16:02.09 | rwhitby-away | packaging perl modules into ipks will be an interesting challenge for you .... |
| 16:02.31 | rwhitby-away | agreed that the deps should be separate |
| 16:02.32 | pTweety | either prepare a lot of ipk or leave the users alone with some small comments ;-) |
| 16:03.36 | rwhitby-away | once you start packaging some perl modules, then users will expect *all* CPAN modules to be packaged for them ... where do you draw the line? |
| 16:04.04 | pTweety | IMO, packaging can only be done native. Does it become an issue for the native feed when we have to much modules for native only? |
| 16:04.04 | rwhitby-away | night all |
| 16:04.41 | pTweety | the line is drawn by my wife :-) |
| 16:05.20 | pTweety | my first goal will be to have a mail server with spamassassin and that's it |
| 16:06.12 | pTweety | well, but if we prepare the most important modules, then we are fine in most cases |
| 16:06.29 | giel | pTweety: i want that too :) |
| 16:07.18 | [g2] | VoodooZ_work, is it hotplug-ng ? |
| 16:08.14 | VoodooZ_work | [g2]: what? |
| 16:08.41 | [g2] | you said you compile hotplug-ng did kergoth add it to OE ? |
| 16:08.44 | pTweety | giel, I'll start with some modules, check them into cvs and then the community may decide |
| 16:09.03 | VoodooZ_work | no, I just downloaded the tar file for fun. |
| 16:09.10 | giel | pTweety: well, as i'm using openslug i guess i can only derive from your efforts |
| 16:09.12 | VoodooZ_work | I doubt he added it yet. |
| 16:09.32 | VoodooZ_work | The bk version would be more complete. |
| 16:10.21 | VoodooZ_work | It's not totally finished yet but from the sound of it most of the stuff missing is useless on the slug so it's looking good. |
| 16:10.56 | [g2] | great. Thats the way it sounded yesterday from the post kergoth referenced |
| 16:11.26 | [g2] | I'd love to be able to include that in the beta release |
| 16:11.35 | [g2] | with a much quicker boot |
| 16:11.37 | VoodooZ_work | I can't wait to see the speed diff. |
| 16:11.59 | VoodooZ_work | yep. If kergoth adds it soon we should be able to test it. |
| 16:12.16 | [g2] | VoodooZ_work, do you run jffs2 ? |
| 16:13.08 | VoodooZ_work | yep. Whatever is included with Openslug. |
| 16:13.19 | [g2] | do you use switchbox at all ? |
| 16:13.27 | VoodooZ_work | Not really no. |
| 16:13.36 | VoodooZ_work | I know it boots the slug but that's it. |
| 16:13.55 | VoodooZ_work | I might end up removing it if I see it's slowing down my boot. |
| 16:14.04 | VoodooZ_work | Unless it's required? |
| 16:14.28 | [g2] | I think you can change you boot command line and boot straight to the jffs2 partition |
| 16:14.42 | [g2] | it'll save you some time |
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| 16:15.07 | [g2] | maybe even 10 |
| 16:15.52 | VoodooZ_work | really? Which file would that be in? |
| 16:16.30 | VoodooZ_work | I'm a bit confused when it comes to the whole initrd/jffs2/switchbox stuff. |
| 16:16.47 | [g2] | just change your kernel command line to root=/dev/mtdblock4 rootfstype=jffs2 |
| 16:16.57 | [g2] | along with the console line |
| 16:17.35 | [g2] | You can test loading the kernel from the Redboot Prompt and you'll just need to load only the kernel |
| 16:17.44 | VoodooZ_work | yeah, but I was told that that line in defconfig gets overidden by a bb file so which file is the one I should mess with? |
| 16:18.00 | [g2] | the .bb file |
| 16:18.12 | VoodooZ_work | let me check... |
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| 16:19.14 | VoodooZ_work | openslug-kernel_2.6.9.bb right? |
| 16:19.28 | VoodooZ_work | currently: CMDLINE_ROOT = "root=/dev/slug rootfstype=ext2,jffs2 initrd=0x01000000,10M mem=32M@0x00000000" |
| 16:20.01 | VoodooZ_work | so I just replace the root and rootfstype options? |
| 16:20.50 | [g2] | #CMDLINE_ROOT = "root=/dev/slug rootfstype=ext2,jffs2 initrd=0x01000000,10M mem=32M@0x00000000" |
| 16:20.50 | [g2] | CMDLINE_ROOT = "root=/dev/mtdblock4 rootfstype=jffs2 mem=32M@0x00000000" |
| 16:20.55 | [g2] | That's my attempt |
| 16:23.44 | Bart_unlimited | Can anybody send me the modules md.o and raid1.o? |
| 16:23.46 | VoodooZ_work | Cool. I'll have to try that tonight when I get home. |
| 16:26.16 | VoodooZ_work | [g2]: so that line totally bypasses the initrd/switchbox thing and boots the kernel directly? I'll still have my jffs2 root too? |
| 16:27.45 | [g2] | I think we may need init=/sbin/init on there too! |
| 16:27.54 | VoodooZ_work | Ok. I'll add it to my notes. |
| 16:28.02 | [g2] | yeah, it'll bypass it |
| 16:28.29 | VoodooZ_work | cool. thanks. I can't wait to see how much time I'll save |
| 16:29.11 | VoodooZ_work | Is the command line order important? |
| 16:29.32 | [g2] | don't think so |
| 16:29.57 | VoodooZ_work | ok. |
| 16:30.11 | [g2] | hmmm, I wonder where OE adds the console part ... |
| 16:30.19 | VoodooZ_work | same file. |
| 16:30.22 | giel | also in the .bb |
| 16:30.33 | VoodooZ_work | why? |
| 16:31.12 | giel | [g2]: init=/sbin/init is probably not needed, as it is in the standard probing list for init prgs in the kernel sourdce |
| 16:31.16 | giel | source* |
| 16:31.20 | giel | but it won't hurt |
| 16:31.28 | VoodooZ_work | ok |
| 16:31.33 | giel | okay, i'm off to home |
| 16:31.33 | VoodooZ_work | [g2]: Did you heard about my stupid mistake? |
| 16:31.37 | VoodooZ_work | later |
| 16:31.42 | [g2] | no |
| 16:32.15 | VoodooZ_work | I had my ccache path pointing to my home folder (i didn't know) so whenever I was building openslug it was accessing my NFS mounted home dir!!! |
| 16:32.29 | VoodooZ_work | No wonder my machine was so laggy and my builds were so long! Dope! |
| 16:33.07 | [g2] | Doh! |
| 16:33.12 | VoodooZ_work | I've since configured CCACHE_DIR to point to a local drive and I'm now getting ~72 minutes builds with bluetooth and camsource stuff. |
| 16:33.16 | VoodooZ_work | :( |
| 16:33.30 | [g2] | Glad you found it! |
| 16:33.39 | VoodooZ_work | yep. Building is fun again! |
| 16:33.48 | [g2] | Did you hear about my fubar with memory ? |
| 16:33.57 | VoodooZ_work | I'll have to try it on the sun V40Z (quad opteron) soon too. |
| 16:34.07 | VoodooZ_work | I don't think so no. What happened? |
| 16:34.39 | [g2] | Well when I upgraded the last .5G I noticed the original .5G was only running at 333 |
| 16:35.03 | VoodooZ_work | .5G? |
| 16:35.13 | VoodooZ_work | on your build workstation you mean? |
| 16:35.16 | [g2] | I had upgraded before and the bios recognized it, but defaulted it to 333Mhz |
| 16:35.21 | [g2] | .5G memory |
| 16:35.24 | VoodooZ_work | ic |
| 16:35.34 | VoodooZ_work | What speed is it supposed to be at? |
| 16:35.47 | VoodooZ_work | DDR? |
| 16:35.55 | [g2] | I knew it was capable of 400Mhz but said, "Oh, I'll just use the 333 setting" |
| 16:35.58 | [g2] | nod |
| 16:36.26 | VoodooZ_work | I see. Gives you a bit of speed boost. |
| 16:36.29 | [g2] | I'd been running for almost a year that way leaving all that speed on the table :( |
| 16:36.36 | VoodooZ_work | that sucks! |
| 16:36.50 | VoodooZ_work | Is that on an AMD board? dual channel? |
| 16:36.56 | [g2] | It's actually quite funny (Intel) |
| 16:37.00 | [g2] | 865 |
| 16:37.18 | [g2] | My systems be blazingly fast |
| 16:37.24 | [g2] | been |
| 16:37.32 | [g2] | but it got even faster |
| 16:37.34 | [g2] | :) |
| 16:37.43 | VoodooZ_work | you appreciate it even more now! |
| 16:37.49 | VoodooZ_work | a free upgrade! |
| 16:40.00 | [g2] | I'm booting directly to the jffs2 now |
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| 16:40.32 | VoodooZ_work | using your recommended command line? |
| 16:40.50 | [g2] | nod. |
| 16:40.57 | VoodooZ_work | cool! how does it look? |
| 16:40.58 | [g2] | I don't know if that "recommended" |
| 16:41.01 | [g2] | ok |
| 16:41.22 | VoodooZ_work | no apparent problems? |
| 16:41.35 | [g2] | none yet |
| 16:41.43 | VoodooZ_work | still booting? |
| 16:41.52 | [g2] | it's booted twice already |
| 16:42.01 | VoodooZ_work | I see. how long approx? |
| 16:42.12 | [g2] | I don't have my watch on :( |
| 16:42.31 | VoodooZ_work | how about a nearby PC. :) |
| 16:42.31 | [g2] | heading out for lunch |
| 16:42.37 | VoodooZ_work | well, does it "feel" faster? |
| 16:42.43 | [g2] | dunno |
| 16:42.48 | kergoth | VoodooZ_work: yes, i have hotplug-ng in my local tree here. had to rename the original hotplug package and stuff to make sure the two packages providing /sbin/hotplug played nice with one another |
| 16:42.49 | VoodooZ_work | np. thanks. |
| 16:42.51 | [g2] | I think so on the boot |
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| 16:43.04 | VoodooZ_work | ~praise kergoth |
| 16:43.06 | jbot | All hail kergoth! |
| 16:43.22 | VoodooZ_work | wow! all this at the same time. I love it. I can't wait to try all this tonight. |
| 16:43.24 | [g2] | kergoth, COOL! Are yo planning on pushing that anytime soon |
| 16:44.02 | kergoth | yeah, just checking to make sure nothing breaks (namely, image creation), since the two packages both RPROVIDES hotplug, need to ensure that one or the other is in IPKG_INSTALL |
| 16:44.08 | kergoth | to break the tie for ipkg |
| 16:44.18 | VoodooZ_work | good. |
| 16:44.48 | [g2] | awesome, That'll be really cool to try out. |
| 16:44.54 | VoodooZ_work | so we'd only need to comment out the hotplug option of the appropriate bb file and replace it with hotplug-ng right? |
| 16:45.04 | [g2]-away | lunch |
| 16:45.19 | kergoth | VoodooZ_work: the image .bb? not exactly. which hotplug you use is a distro decision. |
| 16:45.24 | VoodooZ_work | remember, I'm the king of breaking stuff so expect to hear me whine in the next few days! :) |
| 16:45.29 | kergoth | VoodooZ_work: so i need to sprinkle the appropriate bits into the distro .conf's |
| 16:45.36 | VoodooZ_work | i see. |
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| 16:48.23 | gcosendai | Rod, are you around ? |
| 16:49.45 | siddy | hehe, my openslug just crashed again! but... my fellow watchdog rebooted it and it came back up! better than nothing... ;) |
| 16:51.52 | gcosendai | How do I update a pw protected Wiki page ? |
| 16:52.52 | VoodooZ_pizza | siddy: Thanks again for the watchdog info. It's kind of important for a speeding robot! |
| 16:53.21 | siddy | yeah, right, np! |
| 16:53.43 | siddy | but in return... you have to find that kernel-bug for me!! ;) |
| 16:53.57 | VoodooZ_pizza | anyways, lunch-time (meat-lovers pizza!). see you later. |
| 16:54.18 | VoodooZ_pizza | hehehe. Yeah, don't worry, lucky as I am I'll probably discover it too tonight. |
| 16:54.22 | VoodooZ_pizza | bbl |
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| 18:34.16 | bob_tm | siddy: What kind of watchdog system do you have? |
| 18:49.07 | kergoth | VoodooZ_pizza, [g2]-away: |
| 18:49.08 | kergoth | 12:44 < CIA-3> openembedded: kergoth * r1.2993.1.1 openembedded/ (37 files in 10 dirs): Add |
| 18:49.11 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.14 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.21 | kergoth | feel free to modify openslug.conf to use hotplug-ng and try that |
| 18:50.25 | [g2] | kergoth, I'll pull and try it out in the next hour or so |
| 18:50.33 | kergoth | cool, thanks |
| 18:50.36 | kergoth | i ahvent had time to test it |
| 18:50.37 | [g2] | I'm just trying out the latest switchbox 4.7 |
| 18:51.02 | [g2] | kergoth, the apache package is marked as broken |
| 18:51.11 | kergoth | the apache package probably is broken. |
| 18:51.17 | kergoth | i'll look at it |
| 18:51.22 | [g2] | thx. |
| 18:51.54 | [g2] | it looks like it's pretty close, the big problem is a alocal.m4 template after the init and httpd.conf files |
| 18:52.25 | kergoth | the big problem is the vast apache buildsystem. getting autoreconf happy on it isnt an easy task |
| 18:53.02 | [g2] | there's some dude that built it for unslung, maybe we can get some help from him |
| 18:53.16 | kergoth | wont help |
| 18:53.29 | kergoth | highly unlikely that he bothered running aclocal/autoconf/automake/libtoolize/etc on it. |
| 18:53.32 | kergoth | and thats the source of the issues |
| 18:53.51 | kergoth | it isnt _difficult_, its just _time consuming_ |
| 18:54.13 | kergoth | it used to build, just a pain to keep working |
| 18:56.56 | siddy | bob_tm, I'm using nslu2's buildin hardware-watchdog. |
| 18:57.09 | bob_tm | And it works? |
| 18:57.19 | siddy | yes, flawless. |
| 18:57.49 | bob_tm | Awesome - it is not controlled by the watchdog daemon, is it? |
| 18:58.28 | bob_tm | So can it be used with unslung? |
| 18:58.37 | siddy | you mean unslung's watchdog-daemon? I don't know, I'm on openslug. You could try by killing the daemon and waiting for the slug to reboot. |
| 18:58.57 | bob_tm | The "WatchDog" there is just a shell script run from cron |
| 18:59.19 | bob_tm | I don't use it anymore but would love to have a proper (ie. hw) watchdog. |
| 18:59.40 | siddy | hm... that script-thing is indeed unlikely to be a "real" watchdog. |
| 18:59.42 | bob_tm | It is in the openslug kernel then? |
| 18:59.46 | siddy | yes |
| 18:59.48 | [g2] | siddy, did you you by chance write up the howto for the watchdog ? |
| 19:00.04 | bob_tm | I will take a look. That was indeed a pleasant surprise! thnx |
| 19:00.20 | kergoth | poking the watchdog from userspace isnt necessarily a bad idea, if you want the device to reboot even if userspace gets hung up, but the kernel has not |
| 19:00.34 | siddy | howto? no. It's not too hard, so no need for a howto! ;) |
| 19:00.36 | kergoth | for a headless embedded device, i could see that being a valid thing to do |
| 19:01.11 | [g2] | siddy, The shorter the sweeter :) |
| 19:03.18 | [g2] | VoodooZ_pizza, ping |
| 19:03.41 | VoodooZ_Work | Somebody said pizza? |
| 19:03.45 | VoodooZ_Work | heheh |
| 19:03.52 | [g2] | VoodooZ_Work, I'm trying out dyoung's 4.7 switchbox |
| 19:03.54 | VoodooZ_Work | I think I'll puke if I see more food. |
| 19:04.00 | VoodooZ_Work | What about it? |
| 19:04.05 | [g2] | it boots straight to the prompt in switchbox |
| 19:04.15 | [g2] | from the + to # it's 14 secnods |
| 19:04.36 | VoodooZ_Work | so he sped up just the switchbox part? |
| 19:04.49 | [g2] | well this is *just* switchbox |
| 19:04.56 | [g2] | and the linuxrc |
| 19:05.07 | VoodooZ_Work | I mean, there's still going to be the extra junk after taht of course. |
| 19:05.17 | VoodooZ_Work | Can't be bad. |
| 19:05.25 | VoodooZ_Work | What's the change? |
| 19:05.26 | [g2] | unless you ran from switchbox |
| 19:05.39 | [g2] | and just mounted the jffs2 part |
| 19:05.49 | VoodooZ_Work | But then again, If I don't need switchbox I can save that 14 seconds right? |
| 19:06.16 | siddy | http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/Watchdog |
| 19:06.16 | [g2] | switchbox is probably the last 3 seconds of that |
| 19:06.29 | VoodooZ_Work | thanks siddy |
| 19:06.38 | ByronT | hmm... seems I *was* wrong - "map system=yes" is default in Linksys firmware |
| 19:06.47 | siddy | my shortest wiki-page ever! ;) |
| 19:06.47 | [g2] | ~praise siddy |
| 19:06.49 | jbot | All hail siddy! |
| 19:06.51 | VoodooZ_Work | cool. I guess I'll try to make sense of it all once I get home. |
| 19:07.02 | [g2] | siddy, That's 3 for 3 |
| 19:07.06 | VoodooZ_Work | I'll take whatever is fastest. |
| 19:07.08 | [g2] | one each day |
| 19:07.31 | siddy | hehe, I'll have to think about something cool for tomorrow! |
| 19:07.32 | VoodooZ_Work | Is dyoung's switchbox in the repo? |
| 19:07.43 | VoodooZ_Work | siddy: pressure is on! :) |
| 19:08.21 | giel | what's wrong with me? i don't feel like openslugging |
| 19:08.39 | giel | i'm gonna watch tv and drink beer and be generally dumb for a while |
| 19:08.55 | giel | hard work today, and presentation went remarkably well |
| 19:09.04 | giel | pbly thanks to the goodluck wishes of y'all :) |
| 19:09.32 | [g2] | giel, CONGRATS! Relax kick back, we know you'll be back in a while :) |
| 19:10.13 | [g2] | VoodooZ_Work, nod. nslu2-switchbox |
| 19:10.27 | [g2] | or something like that, and the command line needs to be changed |
| 19:11.02 | giel | i got compliments from my manager, which is good as i have a review meeting tuesday |
| 19:11.12 | giel | or how do you call something like that in english |
| 19:12.13 | VoodooZ_Work | so it's not the default right now then? |
| 19:12.40 | VoodooZ_Work | what's the change btw so I can add it to my notes while it's fresh. |
| 19:13.56 | [g2] | VoodooZ_Work, the default right now is 3.9 |
| 19:14.23 | VoodooZ_Work | ic. Is it simple to change? Do you plan on making it the default in the near future? |
| 19:14.25 | [g2] | check with dyoung or the readme I think it also support nfs booting |
| 19:15.09 | ByronT | someone mention readme? |
| 19:15.10 | VoodooZ_Work | If the switchbox bypass trick works fine for me I won't need to do it but I'm curious in case. |
| 19:15.11 | [g2] | I'd like to be able to have users boot from flash stick/harddrive and I'm verifying that this supports it |
| 19:15.22 | VoodooZ_Work | good. |
| 19:15.46 | giel | my sister bought a slug, but she has a full FAT32 drive which she wants to hook up to it... so that'll be fun for me to fix that soon :) |
| 19:15.54 | [g2] | I think we can default to that, and it's a simple command line change to boot straight to the jffs2 parition |
| 19:16.01 | VoodooZ_Work | btw, Do you still get that annoying modutils script error on bootup? |
| 19:16.19 | [g2] | VoodooZ_Work, nod |
| 19:16.23 | [g2] | 127 thingy |
| 19:16.27 | VoodooZ_Work | crap. |
| 19:16.46 | VoodooZ_Work | What's that? Isn't it anybody else using a 2.6 kernel with module-init-tools? |
| 19:17.08 | [g2] | I think it's from a bogus dependancy on the modutils-sh which shouldn't be there, so it's not causing real problems from my understanding |
| 19:17.19 | VoodooZ_Work | same for the modules.conf, it should be modprobe.conf now. |
| 19:17.39 | VoodooZ_Work | yeah, I know but I wish I could fix it to clean up the boot. |
| 19:18.24 | [g2] | nothing stopping you, I'm sure if you provide the proper patch kergoth would put it in OE |
| 19:18.26 | VoodooZ_Work | It's that ipk post-install configuring thing. Unless I can pretend it ran successfully so It won't try it again. |
| 19:18.52 | VoodooZ_Work | yeah I wish It was that simple. I'll try. |
| 19:19.41 | [g2] | I'd think that some ppl would help you fix it if you asked nicely in OE |
| 19:19.44 | VoodooZ_Work | I still don't quite understand the oe structure. :( |
| 19:19.56 | [g2] | me either :) |
| 19:20.07 | kergoth | the build piece? or the distro? |
| 19:20.09 | VoodooZ_Work | and I hate to beg. heard on my pride. |
| 19:20.17 | [g2] | but I don't understand my wife either, but that doesn't stop me from being married |
| 19:20.24 | VoodooZ_Work | hehehehe |
| 19:20.35 | VoodooZ_Work | That's probably I'm still dating at 30! :) |
| 19:20.47 | [g2] | I was! |
| 19:21.15 | VoodooZ_Work | oops. I forgot a "why" in there. |
| 19:21.17 | [g2] | ah... but that was a long long time ago |
| 19:21.46 | VoodooZ_Work | kergoth: Do you know what causes the modutils error on startup. |
| 19:21.52 | [g2] | it's a little bit like the slug |
| 19:22.00 | VoodooZ_Work | I did remove all modutils packages. |
| 19:22.08 | kergoth | "the modutils error" |
| 19:22.12 | kergoth | my slug is collecting dust. |
| 19:22.17 | kergoth | want to try giving me some real actual information? |
| 19:22.19 | kergoth | like the error? |
| 19:22.41 | VoodooZ_Work | sorry. My memory is crap right now as I've been working on the robot's power system so I haven't use the slug in a while |
| 19:23.25 | VoodooZ_Work | it happens during the "configuring...." part. (package post-installation). It tries to run some modutils stuff that is no longer present. |
| 19:24.01 | giel | oh that stuff |
| 19:24.19 | VoodooZ_Work | yeah, what's the error again? |
| 19:24.21 | giel | blegh, that was just some editing of an ipkg script iirc |
| 19:24.21 | kergoth | i'd need more information. |
| 19:24.22 | kergoth | details |
| 19:24.46 | VoodooZ_Work | sorry, I don't have access to my slug atm. worst-case I'll ask later. |
| 19:24.49 | kergoth | k |
| 19:24.51 | VoodooZ_Work | It's mostly esthetic. |
| 19:25.07 | VoodooZ_Work | (but it slows it down a bit too) |
| 19:25.08 | giel | iirc one of the scripts calls (imo totally useless) ipkg-update |
| 19:25.12 | giel | and that gives an error |
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| 19:25.24 | VoodooZ_Work | something like that. |
| 19:25.25 | kergoth | the last error like that i saw was depmod failing to run depmod.old, but that only happens with a module-init-tools rootfs on a 2.4 kernel |
| 19:25.27 | kergoth | and thats fixed |
| 19:25.29 | kergoth | ah, okay |
| 19:28.48 | giel | VoodooZ_Work: you really should dig through your bootscripts and kick out everything you don't need ;) |
| 19:28.48 | VoodooZ_Work | It's like the package is unaware of the 2.6 stuff. |
| 19:28.48 | VoodooZ_Work | I'll do that real soon. |
| 19:28.49 | VoodooZ_Work | I don't know why It's in there in the first place so it's hard to remove it. |
| 19:28.49 | VoodooZ_Work | I could change the scripts but I'd rather make the changes permanent in bk. |
| 19:33.28 | [g2] | VoodooZ_Work, you'll probably want to wait on the switchbox 4.7 |
| 19:33.53 | [g2] | there are some unslung specific things in there we'll need to fix those up |
| 19:34.01 | kergoth | VoodooZ_Work: if you have questions about what various scripts do, just ask. |
| 19:34.06 | VoodooZ_Work | Yeah. I'll try the jffs2 workaround for now and I'll play with the new hotplug. |
| 19:34.18 | VoodooZ_Work | Thanks guys. |
| 19:34.20 | kergoth | i maintain the initscripts package |
| 19:34.32 | VoodooZ_Work | cool. I'm pulling in your hotplug stuff now. |
| 19:34.40 | kergoth | its never been tested :) |
| 19:34.47 | VoodooZ_Work | I can't run it from here. |
| 19:34.55 | kergoth | oh okay |
| 19:34.57 | VoodooZ_Work | I know. I'll break it for you! :) |
| 19:35.02 | kergoth | good plan |
| 19:35.10 | giel | wow |
| 19:35.12 | kergoth | i'd rather see it break now that when a ton of users or distros are usin it |
| 19:35.13 | VoodooZ_Work | I just want to have it built by the time I get home. |
| 19:35.14 | giel | i completely misread that |
| 19:35.23 | giel | i read: I'll break you for it! |
| 19:35.27 | kergoth | hah |
| 19:35.29 | VoodooZ_Work | heheh |
| 19:35.47 | VoodooZ_Work | I'm a good dog, I don't bite the hand that feeds me. |
| 19:36.29 | VoodooZ_Work | I just have to pull in the proper hotplug package right? |
| 19:37.00 | kergoth | adjust openslug.conf to have hotplug-ng instead of linux-hotplug |
| 19:37.04 | kergoth | thatll do it |
| 19:37.09 | VoodooZ_Work | cool |
| 19:37.55 | VoodooZ_Work | I hope so! |
| 19:38.28 | VoodooZ_Work | I can't run it until after my hockey game tonight so you still have 6 hours! :) |
| 19:38.59 | kergoth | i should try it on one of my zauruses |
| 19:39.11 | kergoth | the 6k probably, since it has usb host |
| 19:39.22 | VoodooZ_Work | The slug is a good candidate as It has very minimal h/w support. |
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| 19:42.43 | VoodooZ_Work | Here goes nothing...build starting... see you at the finish line [g2]! |
| 19:45.14 | [g2] | VoodooZ_Work, I've been building for 5+ minutes :) |
| 19:45.20 | VoodooZ_Work | damn! |
| 19:45.22 | VoodooZ_Work | :) |
| 19:45.35 | VoodooZ_Work | mine should be done in ~80 minutes. |
| 19:48.13 | [g2] | hotplug-ng is build and building image |
| 19:48.44 | VoodooZ_Work | good. |
| 19:48.56 | VoodooZ_Work | ~praise kergoth |
| 19:48.58 | jbot | All hail kergoth! |
| 19:49.15 | [g2] | hold your breath |
| 19:50.22 | VoodooZ_Work | good! |
| 19:52.48 | [g2] | WHOA! |
| 19:53.53 | VoodooZ_Work | WhOa what? |
| 19:54.05 | VoodooZ_Work | flew by so fast you didn't see it? |
| 19:54.27 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:54.39 | kergoth | i bet that hotplug-ng package didnt include a startup script, so no coldplugging happened |
| 19:55.11 | [g2] | probably, installing drivers seems a little funny |
| 19:55.27 | VoodooZ_Work | didn't work? |
| 19:55.44 | [g2] | driver didn't come up |
| 19:55.54 | kergoth | try modprobing the usb host controller driver manually |
| 19:55.55 | VoodooZ_Work | damn. |
| 19:55.57 | kergoth | then see if hotplug works |
| 19:56.03 | [g2] | maybe it did hold on |
| 19:56.10 | kergoth | if its just coldplug thats missing, thats no big deal |
| 19:56.45 | [g2] | ok ignore the funny thing |
| 19:56.53 | [g2] | I'm rebooting with the disk attached |
| 19:57.03 | VoodooZ_Work | hehe |
| 19:57.20 | [g2] | it was 1 Minute 11 sec for the full first boot |
| 19:57.34 | VoodooZ_Work | It's like the teachers here at work, they call me panicking that their HDs died when it's simply a floppy left in the drive! :) |
| 19:57.43 | VoodooZ_Work | that much? |
| 19:58.08 | VoodooZ_Work | IS that with switchbox 4.7? |
| 19:58.22 | [g2] | no |
| 19:58.31 | [g2] | 40 seconds from + to # on second boot |
| 19:59.19 | [g2] | that includes ixp driver install, but it doesn't seem to recognize the hd |
| 20:00.11 | kergoth | okay, so hotplug-ng installs sane default hotplug.d scripts for usb, scsi, and pci |
| 20:00.22 | kergoth | but has no startup script, so no coldplug occurs |
| 20:00.29 | VoodooZ_Work | yeah and that ixp stuff is kind of long so once removed it should be good. |
| 20:00.46 | [g2] | kergoth, the hotplug for the usb/scsi doesn't trigger |
| 20:01.06 | VoodooZ_Work | I wonder if the new csr fixes the auto-neg stuff. |
| 20:01.08 | kergoth | you dont know that. |
| 20:01.13 | kergoth | what you know is that your modules arent being loaded |
| 20:01.21 | [g2] | nod. |
| 20:01.23 | kergoth | either the hotplug.d scripts arent being executed, or they are, and they arent behaving correctly |
| 20:01.30 | kergoth | you havent yet determined which is the case. |
| 20:01.40 | [g2] | a set -x would tell me right |
| 20:01.41 | kergoth | drop a custom script in hotplug.d to confirm that the /sbin/hotplug multiplexor works |
| 20:01.45 | kergoth | set -x on what? |
| 20:01.49 | kergoth | hotplug-ng is all C. |
| 20:01.51 | [g2] | hotplug.d |
| 20:01.57 | kergoth | including the default usb, scsi, and pci agents |
| 20:02.50 | [g2] | well I don't get any dmesg from the hotplug event |
| 20:14.25 | siddy | do we have any MTA in openslug? |
| 20:14.47 | kergoth | postfix |
| 20:15.01 | kergoth | dont think any others have been added yet |
| 20:15.07 | siddy | oh, missed that one, thx! |
| 20:15.12 | kergoth | np |
| 20:15.17 | [g2] | bb postfix :) |
| 20:15.19 | kergoth | course i've never tested it :) |
| 20:15.57 | [g2] | that can be siddy 4th howto in 4 days, then he can rest on the weekend :) |
| 20:16.13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:16.32 | kergoth | i'm actually impressed with how many completely untested packages in oe actually Just Work(tm) |
| 20:16.45 | siddy | two howtos one one day is too much for me... ;p |
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| 20:22.55 | [g2] | siddy, that's for tomorrow |
| 20:23.19 | [g2] | besides, that last one was.... just a tease right :) |
| 20:23.50 | siddy | :-D |
| 20:26.17 | ByronT | I don't know how he handles a real job and this one |
| 20:27.36 | [g2] | who's that ? |
| 20:27.46 | ByronT | siddy, of course |
| 20:28.02 | siddy | me? oh... real job... hm... student? |
| 20:28.16 | [g2] | college ? |
| 20:28.42 | siddy | err... university, dunno what you call it over there. |
| 20:29.01 | [g2] | nod. some ppl are in high school |
| 20:29.12 | ByronT | ah... so that's the secret |
| 20:30.25 | ByronT | well "way back when" I was in college, free time was for riding mountain bikes, chasing women, and other non-productive activities |
| 20:30.51 | ByronT | but don't tell anyone, they might come take my diploma away |
| 20:34.58 | CIA-10 | 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/parted/control: Added dependencies |
| 20:36.36 | giel | ByronT: you mistake "non-productive" with "not college related, but still necessary for development and life experience in general, so in that way productive" |
| 20:37.11 | ByronT | I bet you're one heck of a rationalist... ;) |
| 20:37.17 | giel | heh |
| 20:37.24 | giel | if i wasn't i'd have to kill myself :) |
| 20:37.35 | giel | i have to rationalise all my stupid actions afterwards |
| 20:37.52 | giel | maybe pragmatist is a better word |
| 20:38.35 | ByronT | that's where I begin to get in trouble... thoughts like "now why *did* I do that?" |
| 20:38.45 | giel | nuhuh, don't even go there |
| 20:39.00 | giel | as much as ppl like to believe they thought about their actions, noone really does |
| 20:39.13 | giel | all decisions are made on gut feeling and are instantly rationalised |
| 20:39.37 | giel | your mind is constantly making up stories to make you think you're in control ;) |
| 20:39.53 | giel | so if you skip that part and just act on feeling most of the time, it'll make your life easier |
| 20:39.59 | ByronT | it gets more fun when you have kids.... |
| 20:40.46 | ByronT | because then you occasionally try to be the example, but then think "wouldn't it be cute if he did that though..." |
| 20:41.05 | giel | well, i wanna have kids but i don't know if it's a wise decision |
| 20:41.12 | giel | first get mahself a ladeh :P |
| 20:41.16 | ByronT | rationalise it later |
| 20:41.21 | giel | yup |
| 20:41.37 | ByronT | I wouldn't trade my little stinker for the world though |
| 20:41.39 | giel | so, i take it you've got kids? |
| 20:41.49 | ByronT | www.toddcomp.com/Christian.html |
| 20:42.02 | CIA-10 | 03ingeba * 10unslung/make/parted.mk: Added libiconv to dependencies |
| 20:42.16 | giel | heh, cute lil' laddy |
| 20:42.30 | giel | but somehow i wanna stabilize somewhat first |
| 20:42.36 | kergoth | eh, who just did that checkin? |
| 20:42.40 | kergoth | you dont need libiconv. |
| 20:43.13 | ByronT | he's a mess now... he applauds himself when he burps |
| 20:44.00 | giel | heh |
| 20:44.10 | giel | just like his father :P |
| 20:44.28 | ByronT | I set a bad example the wife says |
| 20:45.06 | ByronT | real life intrudes (work)... |
| 20:45.44 | giel | have fun |
| 20:45.53 | ByronT-Away | as always |
| 20:46.36 | siddy | giel, watching soccer tonight? |
| 20:47.05 | giel | not really... my favorite match is only aired on pay tv |
| 20:47.14 | giel | which i don't have, 'cause i don't like tv at all :) |
| 20:47.40 | giel | i keep track of the standings tho |
| 20:47.43 | siddy | ah, I'm watching the good old krauts vs dutchmen match... (we'll win!) ;) |
| 20:47.53 | giel | oh that one |
| 20:48.02 | giel | well, national soccer doesn't really do it for me |
| 20:48.20 | giel | i used to like the netherlands in general, but it's getting less and less |
| 20:48.31 | giel | i like the local team of the place i grew up tho |
| 20:48.33 | siddy | actually I'm only watching the game, because it's "my" team. living in aken. |
| 20:48.37 | giel | they're playing UEFA cup tonight |
| 20:48.50 | giel | heh |
| 20:48.51 | giel | oh wait |
| 20:48.53 | giel | that's you |
| 20:48.58 | giel | freakin hell no you won't win! |
| 20:49.14 | siddy | I will. ;) |
| 20:49.41 | giel | hey, you live in aken? |
| 20:49.44 | giel | that's scary nearby |
| 20:49.51 | giel | i live in eindhoven these days |
| 20:50.08 | siddy | really? oh, 30 muinutes car-drive I'd say. |
| 20:50.29 | giel | knowing dutch traffic i'd say 45, but yeah |
| 20:50.37 | siddy | I bet you know Budel near Weert, right? |
| 20:50.44 | giel | well, i know of it |
| 20:50.53 | giel | i don't know the surroundings here, only live here for 3 months |
| 20:50.59 | siddy | hehe, been there for 10 months of my life. |
| 20:51.20 | giel | i'm going to belgium tomorrow, so i'll be even closer for a moment |
| 20:51.26 | giel | and saturday i'm going to germany |
| 20:51.55 | siddy | ah, driving your manta on our highways? ;-) |
| 20:52.10 | giel | no, manta is waiting in a garage for time and money |
| 20:52.15 | giel | i'm going to look at a smart roadster |
| 20:52.24 | giel | maybe i'm gonna buy me one of those |
| 20:52.47 | siddy | ah, swett little cars. a bit too expensive for poor students... |
| 20:53.34 | siddy | s/swett/sweet/ |
| 20:54.00 | giel | yep, i've driven one in the ardennes |
| 20:54.02 | giel | that was nice |
| 20:54.14 | giel | no oversteer, no understeer, just rock solid |
| 20:54.33 | giel | if i'm buying one, i'm going to put on a different turbo and chiptune it |
| 20:54.39 | giel | that gets you like 125bhp |
| 20:54.43 | giel | in a 750kg car |
| 20:55.20 | siddy | wow... quite a good hpp/kg ratio! |
| 20:55.58 | giel | yep |
| 20:56.11 | giel | and if i don't like the smart roadster after all, i'm thinking about an audi tt |
| 20:56.15 | giel | german cars for me :) |
| 20:56.59 | siddy | good decision! :) |
| 20:57.00 | giel | you know rommerskirchen? |
| 20:57.05 | siddy | no |
| 20:57.18 | giel | Germany, NRW (= Nordrhein-Westfalen), 41569 Rommerskirchen (between Cologne, |
| 20:57.21 | giel | Neuss, Aachen, Venlo) |
| 20:57.26 | giel | that's where i'm going saturday |
| 20:58.09 | siddy | oh, I found it... a bit in the middle of nowhere! ;) |
| 20:58.31 | giel | there lives a guy who's selling a smart |
| 20:58.46 | giel | it looks good, but there's a little shady side to the story |
| 20:59.04 | giel | he says he bought it new, but i'm sure i've seen the car on ebay before |
| 20:59.18 | giel | so, he's gotta clear that up with a good coherent story |
| 21:00.44 | VoodooZ_Work | [g2]: I'm getting this: ERROR: Nothing provides hotplug-ng |
| 21:01.07 | VoodooZ_Work | I did create my symlinks. I must be confused as usual. |
| 21:01.12 | kergoth | sounds like you did a pull and forgot to bk -r co -q or something |
| 21:01.20 | kergoth | does openembedded/packages/hotplug-ng/hotplug-ng*.bb exist? |
| 21:01.41 | VoodooZ_Work | wow! It's been a while! I totally forgot about that! |
| 21:02.02 | siddy | giel, sounds a bit strange... and be careful: the guys in that area (near Bergheim) are the craziest car-drivers ever... never come to close to someone with a BM license plate! ;) |
| 21:02.17 | giel | ok, i'll remember |
| 21:02.43 | giel | i'm taking someone with me who speaks german and that guy speaks english |
| 21:02.48 | VoodooZ_Work | kergoth, I think I haven't done that in like a month! dope! |
| 21:02.52 | giel | and if i don't like it i'll just get myself another car ;) |
| 21:03.33 | siddy | sounds reasonable! |
| 21:04.36 | giel | i was looking at this beefed up audi tt quattro |
| 21:04.43 | giel | four wheel drive, 270bhp |
| 21:05.58 | siddy | wow... and, was it a good one? |
| 21:06.18 | giel | well, it was a bit too expensive |
| 21:06.39 | giel | not the purchase, but insurance was pretty heavy |
| 21:06.50 | bob_tm | Sorry guys: I need advice about unslung. GNU Parted needs a lib from e2fsprogs, but the package is broken. I mailed him (Christopher Blunck) a week ago, but got no answer. Can I just make alterations now, you think? |
| 21:07.17 | kergoth | bob_tm: are you the one who did that commit that added libiconv to the parted deps? |
| 21:07.25 | bob_tm | Yes |
| 21:07.29 | kergoth | you dont want that. |
| 21:07.33 | kergoth | glibc provides iconv functionality. |
| 21:07.44 | kergoth | libiconv is only ever needed if you're using a C library that doesnt provide it |
| 21:07.49 | kergoth | like uclibc with NLS support disabled |
| 21:07.57 | bob_tm | Ok. |
| 21:08.21 | siddy | giel, yeah, TT's tended to crash very often, so the insurance will be a bit higher I guess. |
| 21:08.24 | bob_tm | I will remove it again. It doesn't change the e2fsprogs issue, though |
| 21:08.36 | kergoth | just wanted to make sure you were aware |
| 21:08.43 | bob_tm | I wasn't - thanks |
| 21:09.01 | giel | siddy: well, i'll let you know if i bought something... gotta sleep now, tired already |
| 21:09.38 | siddy | oh, you'll miss the victory of aken! ;) |
| 21:09.41 | bob_tm | kergoth: I will make the changes to e2fsprogs and he can always revert if and when he comes back |
| 21:10.09 | kergoth | that's probably best |
| 21:10.30 | giel | siddy: it probably stays 0-0, there are only a couple of minutes left, aren't there? |
| 21:10.50 | bob_tm | kergoth: Thanks |
| 21:11.15 | siddy | man, you're taking my last hopes... but yeah, just 10 minutes left. :-\ |
| 21:11.50 | giel | siddy: i'm gonna prepare for bed and check in in 10 mins then :) |
| 21:12.10 | siddy | hehe, okay! |
| 21:13.27 | kergoth | http://openembedded.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Buildsystems_2fRulesOfThumb .. if anyone has anything to add, do so |
| 21:14.29 | [g2] | kergoth, I think hotplug is a little happier |
| 21:15.13 | [g2] | when I modprobe'd ehci_hcd, the other modules were automatically loaded and the disk was recognized |
| 21:15.26 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:15.28 | kergoth | excellent |
| 21:15.33 | kergoth | so i just need to get us a startup script |
| 21:15.54 | VoodooZ_Work | good show! |
| 21:16.31 | [g2] | I'm adding the modprobe for a couple drivers in the init script and I'll see if it can find the drive |
| 21:16.32 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:19.25 | [g2] | kergoth, last time I did that, and this time it's just ignored |
| 21:20.19 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.25 | kergoth | probably just need that startup script |
| 21:21.29 | VoodooZ_Work | keep in mind that although it should be modprobe.conf it's still called modules.conf |
| 21:22.30 | [g2] | well all the drivers aren't getting loaded, and the three manually loaded via modprobe are |
| 21:22.40 | kergoth | i'm not talkinga bout that. |
| 21:22.46 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.50 | kergoth | they're completely independent. |
| 21:23.20 | [g2] | ixp425_eth, usbcore, ehci_hcd and it boots in 43 seconds with the ethernet up and the hd available |
| 21:23.26 | VoodooZ_Work | ok. I was wondering why there was so many. |
| 21:23.40 | kergoth | [g2]: nice |
| 21:23.54 | VoodooZ_Work | I'm stuck loading ohci too as my bluetooth dongle is usb 1.1 |
| 21:24.26 | [g2] | kergoth I was talking about the boot speed improvement not the root issue with the modules -- I really do appreciate your help and know how you hate hacks |
| 21:24.37 | kergoth | nod |
| 21:24.49 | kergoth | how long was the boot time before? |
| 21:25.00 | VoodooZ_Work | must have shaved a good 20 seconds no? |
| 21:25.05 | kergoth | and how much longer is it, if at all, if you load ohci as well? |
| 21:25.26 | siddy | giel, okay you were right. but we'll beat you next week! ;) |
| 21:25.26 | VoodooZ_Work | I'll report on my bloated robot testing later tonight. |
| 21:25.33 | kergoth | cool |
| 21:26.04 | kergoth | and i wonder how much longer itll get if we add in any necessary hotplug event synthesis (coldplug) |
| 21:26.04 | VoodooZ_Work | if I can get a 20-30 seconds boot I'd be more than happy. |
| 21:26.04 | giel | siddy: heh, no way, when we're playing home we're unbeatable :P |
| 21:26.13 | kergoth | though that could be optional |
| 21:26.34 | VoodooZ_Work | I'll be removing the csr junk in my case so that's like 5-8 seconds. |
| 21:26.58 | siddy | giel, just wait and see! |
| 21:27.20 | kergoth | we still need to do some real profiling on the boot time. |
| 21:27.58 | VoodooZ_Work | yeah, the instrumented printk thing didn't help much. Need to do the same thing for user scrips. |
| 21:28.04 | kergoth | right |
| 21:28.07 | kergoth | sysvinit instrumentation |
| 21:28.17 | kergoth | some echos in /etc/init.d/rc and /etc/init.d/rcS may be sufficient. |
| 21:28.24 | siddy | okay, I'm off, good night everyone! |
| 21:28.48 | VoodooZ_Work | yep. |
| 21:29.36 | VoodooZ_Work | Anal as I am I'll probably end up trying that even once my boot is 20-30 seconds. More speed! |
| 21:30.11 | [g2] | VoodooZ_Work, you'll probably want APEX |
| 21:30.22 | VoodooZ_Work | what's that again? the bootloader? |
| 21:30.27 | [g2] | nod. |
| 21:30.51 | kergoth | gah |
| 21:30.54 | VoodooZ_Work | yeah, but that's a bit scarier without jtag. |
| 21:30.54 | kergoth | i need to check my voice mail more often |
| 21:31.01 | kergoth | "you have .. twenty three .. new messages" |
| 21:31.09 | [g2] | :) |
| 21:31.39 | [g2] | not! :) |
| 21:32.30 | VoodooZ_Work | (aside for the money and benefits!) |
| 21:32.35 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:32.37 | VoodooZ_Work | but now that's all gone so... |
| 21:33.05 | kergoth | my bonus from ti this year will be 10.5k |
| 21:33.12 | kergoth | it was like 15% of the '04 annual income |
| 21:33.12 | VoodooZ_Work | nice |
| 21:33.13 | CIA-10 | 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/parted/control: Removed iconv as dependency - taken care of by the C library |
| 21:33.28 | kergoth | supposed to be anyway, its less for some reason i dont understand |
| 21:33.30 | kergoth | ah well |
| 21:33.49 | VoodooZ_Work | I'm looking into getting in a small aerospatial company here called Neptec and they are working with NASA to decommision the Hubble. |
| 21:33.53 | giel | damn those dutch taxes! |
| 21:34.23 | CIA-10 | 03ingeba * 10unslung/make/parted.mk: Removed iconv from staging |
| 21:34.27 | giel | when i get a bonus, taxes take 48% |
| 21:34.32 | VoodooZ_Work | Should be way more interesting that fixing computers for a bunch of whining teachers |
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| 21:35.46 | [g2] | morning dyoung |
| 21:36.18 | dyoung | I'm sorry you think theres too many unslung specific stuff in switchbox-4.7 |
| 21:36.27 | dyoung | I didnt think it was that bad... |
| 21:36.50 | dyoung | the borrowing of lib from the jffs2 I felt was the biggest offender. |
| 21:37.08 | [g2] | looking for the .unslung |
| 21:37.19 | [g2] | loading the ixp drivers |
| 21:37.26 | giel | getting the ixp drivers from payload |
| 21:38.16 | [g2] | dyoung, kergoth has a new hotplug based on C programs |
| 21:38.34 | dyoung | ... |
| 21:38.43 | [g2] | it boots openslug in 42 seconds from + to # after the first time which only takes 1 minute 11 seconds |
| 21:38.45 | dyoung | Right, but thats in 3.9 also. |
| 21:39.14 | dyoung | and the ixp drivers are ONLY loaded if youre in a specific unslung mode that openslug can ignore. |
| 21:39.48 | [g2] | well we either need to change the default kernel config or load some other drivers |
| 21:39.53 | dyoung | Right. |
| 21:39.58 | dyoung | I'm not disagreeing. |
| 21:40.26 | dyoung | And if we're going to talk about .unslung, why dont we talk about /bin/init too |
| 21:40.33 | dyoung | shrug |
| 21:41.14 | [g2] | once we get the module init straightened out, then it's probably a lot easier and cleaner just to use the rootfs modules |
| 21:41.33 | [g2] | but I digress |
| 21:42.20 | dyoung | anyways, i have more immediate issues. |
| 21:42.35 | [g2] | slug related or other ? |
| 21:42.38 | dyoung | like what the hell changed in the firmware image creation in the past 5 days that make stuff not work. |
| 21:42.54 | dyoung | my JFFS2 header is a redbootheader for instance. |
| 21:42.59 | [g2] | hmmmm, worked for me |
| 21:43.00 | dyoung | [g2], both. |
| 21:43.03 | [g2] | on OpenSlug |
| 21:43.53 | dyoung | and I notn convinched that I didnt blow something important away... |
| 21:44.23 | [g2] | GL |
| 21:44.31 | [g2] | I wish I could help more thre |
| 21:44.34 | [g2] | there |
| 21:50.03 | rwhitby | giel: getting ixp drivers from payload is not unslung-specific - it's just the openslug doesn't load the payload with it's drivers ... |
| 21:50.31 | rwhitby | and the loading of the drivers is then not unslung-specific either (once you are putting the right drivers in the payload) |
| 21:51.08 | rwhitby | the .unslung is definitely unslung-specific, and the intention would be to add to that to detect a valid openslug drive too, or just remove the check. |
| 21:51.37 | [g2] | as is the whole .xxxx convention |
| 21:51.45 | rwhitby | yep |
| 21:51.50 | rwhitby | suggestions? |
| 21:52.27 | dyoung | Remember too that those bits were pilfered out of a *really* old linuxrc. |
| 21:52.31 | rwhitby | switchbox is meant to be distro independent (or at least to support the multiple nslu2-linux distros) |
| 21:52.42 | [g2] | well for APEX beewoolie has the suggestiong of holding reset down and using the LEDs as indicators to select different loads from by pushing the power button |
| 21:52.49 | dyoung | they wre used because they were there. I'm sure there are better ways to detect a disk rootfs |
| 21:52.58 | rwhitby | so anything we need to do to make that so we will do ... |
| 21:53.00 | [g2] | We could possibly put something similar in Redboot |
| 21:53.26 | rwhitby | not for camps 1-3 we cant ... |
| 21:53.40 | [g2] | nod. |
| 21:54.01 | VoodooZ_log | bbl |
| 21:54.19 | [g2] | I'd like to be able to boot directly to sda/sdb |
| 21:54.25 | rwhitby | anyway, as soon as you replace redboot (for camp 4), then you probably shouldn't use switchbox anymore. |
| 21:54.59 | [g2] | Right now I'm playing with booting directly to the jffs2 partition |
| 21:55.10 | rwhitby | if you made APEX go around switchbox (directly to whatever is chosen via power button and leds), and allow stock redboot to go into a switchbox which works for both unslung and openslug, then we are good I think |
| 21:56.44 | [g2] | I'm not sure where the OpenSlug ppl want to go. |
| 21:56.55 | rwhitby | unless we make a conscious decision to restrict openslug to people who are willing to replace their bootloader, then we need to make sure that openslug still works properly with stock redboot (which doesn't necessarily mean that openslug has to use switchbox). |
| 21:57.07 | [g2] | 3 of the 4 (other than me are running totaly non-standard configs) |
| 21:57.24 | rwhitby | [g2]: we still need to get a beta out, so that we can gauge the community direction for openslug |
| 21:57.26 | tjyang | a three characters to the crosstool and crosstool-native package source can enable Objetive-C language. can someone verify ? |
| 21:57.40 | tjyang | a three characters change I mean. |
| 21:57.44 | rwhitby | you can't base it on the alpha testers, because by definition they usually have custom configs |
| 21:57.55 | [g2] | rwhitby, we are very close to getting out of beta with ka6sox the list is at 16 |
| 21:58.12 | tjyang | nslu2-cross335.sh:GCC_LANGUAGES="c,c++,objc" |
| 21:58.33 | [g2] | I think booting to the hd/flash stick and having the jffs2 as a fall back makes a lot of sense |
| 21:58.35 | rwhitby | tjyang: if jacques gives the nod, then we will include it |
| 21:58.52 | kergoth | just mount the hd over the jffs2 / using unionfs :) |
| 21:58.52 | [g2] | recovery is simple as pulling the flash stick / hd |
| 21:58.53 | tjyang | just add objc in GCC_LANGUAGES variable in nslu22-cross335.sh. |
| 21:59.07 | [g2] | also, it could boot jffs2 by holding down the reset |
| 21:59.07 | rwhitby | kergoth: yeah |
| 21:59.24 | CIA-10 | 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/e2fsprogs/control: Upped version and took over as maintainer at least for a while |
| 21:59.31 | tjyang | here is my quick notes http://mediawiki.gnustep.org/index.php/Platform_compatibility#Linksys_NSLU2 |
| 21:59.39 | kergoth | should test the unionroot scripts on openslug. |
| 21:59.44 | kergoth | should work fine, they work on the Z |
| 21:59.50 | [g2] | kergoth, I don't know if we have unionfs support that that makes some sense if we can mount it over / |
| 22:00.41 | kergoth | unionfs works fine in every environment i've tested |
| 22:00.47 | kergoth | omap boards, desktop, zaurus |
| 22:01.09 | rwhitby | tjyang: what are the ipk errors in the second step of your gnustep procedure? |
| 22:01.26 | tjyang | rod, I am stilling having problem to have ipkg on linux host machine to package all the complete files into 7 split ipk packages. |
| 22:02.05 | rwhitby | [g2]: is openslug at a stability and feature level where you think it is ready for a public beta (it's a genuine question, not a dig - I haven't been keeping up with it in the last two weeks) ? |
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| 22:02.37 | tjyang | I ended up use the tar/copy over method to have libobjc.so ... etc installed on my nslu2. |
| 22:02.38 | [g2] | rwhitby, It is very close, the punchlist is small |
| 22:03.19 | rwhitby | tjyang: we'll need to fix those errors before accepting the patch - those symlinks are important, and we can't accept a patch until the ipks install cleanly |
| 22:03.29 | rwhitby | s/we'll/you'll/ |
| 22:03.36 | [g2] | the two big issues are the hotplug, which kerogth has gone a long way to fixing today |
| 22:03.36 | dyoung | ;-) |
| 22:04.02 | [g2] | and the ability to boot to the hd/flash or overlay the rootfs |
| 22:04.24 | rwhitby | [g2]: I am looking forward to using OpenSlug to get my new bluetooth dongle running so I can route through the slug for Treo 650 internet connectivity at home ... |
| 22:04.25 | kergoth | unionroot will work, its just a question of how the user configures it |
| 22:04.40 | CIA-10 | 03ingeba * 10unslung/make/e2fsprogs.mk: Many changes: Rewritten using new template, added missing includes in staging etc. Hardly tested - mainly done for parted, since it provides libuuid |
| 22:04.46 | [g2] | a third issue is switchbox compatibility, 3.9 boots OpenSlug, 4.7 doesn't and needs fixes |
| 22:04.58 | rwhitby | [g2]: do you really want to put unionroot in now (when you are close to a beta release), or hold that over for OpenSlug 2.x ? |
| 22:05.25 | [g2] | I don't see that it has to go in now. |
| 22:05.32 | dyoung | [g2] right now openslug is supposed to be using switchbox-3.9. |
| 22:05.40 | rwhitby | [g2]: now that giel has solved the switchbox roadblock, we can get back into active development mode on it and make it work for both openslug and unslung |
| 22:05.44 | [g2] | I do see the ability to boot to flash stick /hd as important though |
| 22:05.46 | dyoung | the 4 series is supposed to still be under development. |
| 22:06.04 | rwhitby | [g2]: agreed that we should get switchbox 4 into openslug before the beta release |
| 22:06.07 | [g2] | giel is running uClibc and a very hacked environent |
| 22:06.21 | [g2] | he's totaly non-standard |
| 22:06.31 | kergoth | any method of running the hd as / will need integration work |
| 22:06.34 | rwhitby | yes, but he gave dyoung and I the key info to fix switchbox reboot and led problems |
| 22:06.35 | kergoth | whether it be union or not |
| 22:07.03 | [g2] | the /dev/ram0 and init=/linuxrc ? |
| 22:07.06 | rwhitby | kergoth: we've got it working for unslung in switchbox 4, so it should be trivial to make it work for openslug as well. |
| 22:07.10 | rwhitby | [g2]: yep |
| 22:07.22 | rwhitby | unslung will move to that command line style too |
| 22:07.31 | [g2] | That's what I working on for OpenSlug |
| 22:07.39 | kergoth | the point is, the same testing will have to be done either way. scripts exist for both |
| 22:07.51 | rwhitby | agreed. |
| 22:07.53 | dyoung | I already p ushed that change for unslung-4.x |
| 22:07.56 | [g2] | it's as easy as changing rootfs to ext2 and loading it as a ramdisk with /linuxrc |
| 22:08.12 | [g2] | 4.7 didn't boot OpenSlug today |
| 22:08.25 | [g2] | I wind up in the /bin/sh prompt |
| 22:08.36 | [g2] | that was my first test for it |
| 22:08.37 | rwhitby | ok, let's debug and fix that then ... |
| 22:08.38 | dyoung | I said unslung. |
| 22:09.16 | rwhitby | here's my proposed plan of action (comments welcome): |
| 22:09.37 | rwhitby | 1/ dyoung and I get switchbox 4 stable and integrated into unslung |
| 22:10.01 | rwhitby | 2/ [g2], dyoung, and I (and anyone else) mod switchbox 4 to make it work for openslug too |
| 22:10.02 | CIA-10 | 03ingeba * 10unslung/Makefile: Added proftpd, e2fsprogs and parted to cross testing. May compile native - can't test |
| 22:11.00 | rwhitby | 3/ we focus on an Unslung 4.x-alpha release (with just switchbox 4.x and no other new features) and an OpenSlug 1.x-beta release (with both switchbox 4.x and apex 1.0 support and no other new features) |
| 22:11.22 | rwhitby | (with openslug 1.x-beta having the higher priority) |
| 22:11.32 | rwhitby | 4/ there is no step 4 |
| 22:11.39 | rwhitby | comments? |
| 22:12.14 | [g2] | I'm concerned that 2/ is a waste of time and resources |
| 22:12.43 | rwhitby | [g2]: why (assuming that openslug is still for camp 3 as well as 4) ? |
| 22:12.47 | [g2] | the issue is all the switchbox baggage gets pushed into OpenSlug |
| 22:13.00 | [g2] | here's why |
| 22:13.26 | rwhitby | (and also assuming that we don't impose any of the unslung-specific stuff on openslug) |
| 22:13.33 | [g2] | And BTW i'm just being honest here, not trying to point finger, I love and respect you guys! |
| 22:13.56 | rwhitby | yep, this is a robust technical discussion, no finger pointing or angst :-) |
| 22:14.38 | [g2] | my reasoning is that the standard Redboot |
| 22:15.14 | [g2] | Rather than switchbox, we can load more full fledged ramdisk |
| 22:15.42 | [g2] | that has drivers either directly or in the jffs2 partition in it |
| 22:16.19 | [g2] | it's way cleaner, and the real benefit comes from a proper init= (/linuxrc) |
| 22:16.47 | [g2] | the jffs2 partition can either be booted to or used for user resident data |
| 22:17.29 | rwhitby | did you mean ramdisk when you said ramdisk five lines up? |
| 22:18.07 | [g2] | initrd |
| 22:18.22 | rwhitby | how does an initrd have a jffs2 partition it i? |
| 22:18.28 | rwhitby | ... in it? |
| 22:19.04 | [g2] | the initrd can boot to the jffs2 partition or the hd/flash stick |
| 22:19.06 | tjyang | rod, either the ipkg or my ipkg on my RedHatAS has problem. it is failing to compress all the files under build/crosstool-native-0.28-rc73-ipk* directory. |
| 22:19.08 | rwhitby | you've confused me - can we use more precise terminology? |
| 22:19.17 | [g2] | it can also just load the jffs2 as a mount point |
| 22:19.22 | rwhitby | (that was to [g2] |
| 22:19.34 | rwhitby | tjyang: I can't help you with that problem ... |
| 22:19.48 | rwhitby | [g2]: how big with the initrd be? |
| 22:20.48 | rwhitby | (i.e. is a fully bootable and useable rootfs, or just a switchbox type thing which is expanded to include drivers ?) |
| 22:20.51 | [g2] | the other possiblity that is possible is append it on the end of the kernel and let the size of the kernel partition float |
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| 22:21.41 | [g2] | mostly switchbox like, drivers and their location is the issue |
| 22:21.50 | tjyang | that is fine. but I think it is ipkg thas issue. because I didn't modifiy anything except putting objc into GCC_LANGUAGE variable. |
| 22:21.53 | rwhitby | [g2]: what's your proposal again, can you spell it out precisely? |
| 22:22.26 | rwhitby | tjyang: still your problem to solve, cause it works at the moment for everyone else |
| 22:22.35 | tjyang | if you guys don't have this problem that is ok. |
| 22:23.04 | rwhitby | tjyang: were you running ipk from the root dir? |
| 22:23.23 | tjyang | I am not going to solve this problem I am going to work around it by using tar. |
| 22:23.35 | tjyang | no, I am using regular user tjyang. |
| 22:23.55 | rwhitby | tjyang: then the change cannot be accepted if it breaks ipk for everyone ... |
| 22:24.04 | rwhitby | tjyang: root dir, not root user |
| 22:24.09 | Kirk_22 | does ipkg need to be run from root directory? |
| 22:24.30 | [g2] | rwhitby, I see three proposals on the table right now: |
| 22:24.52 | tjyang | putting objc into GCC_LANGUAGE will break ipkg ? |
| 22:24.53 | [g2] | 1/ make switchbox 4.x work with openslug which you suggested |
| 22:25.01 | rwhitby | Looking at the errors on the page that tjyang referred to, it might for the crosstool-native package. that would be a bug in the crosstool-native package if it does |
| 22:25.15 | rwhitby | tjyang: I don't know - that's what I want you to determine |
| 22:25.32 | tjyang | it is ridiculous. |
| 22:25.57 | [g2] | 2/ stub the rootfs partition where switchbox currently is and put a jffs2 parition right after it that allows the user some tayloring of the boot |
| 22:26.00 | rwhitby | tjyang: you have a broken ipk install of crosstool-native for some reason. you have to prove that it's not the change causing it. |
| 22:26.04 | tjyang | I have this problem before and I remember I reported the problem on nslu2 yahoo group. |
| 22:26.55 | tjyang | that is why I am asking if someone can veriy/compile and generate a gcc with objc supoprt. |
| 22:27.10 | [g2] | 3/ expand the current switchbox to allow booting to either the jffs2 partition, the hd/flashdisk, or using the jffs2 as a mount point / partial overlay |
| 22:27.50 | [g2] | Another consideration is the actual rootfs layout and migration of all the packages for the Users |
| 22:28.02 | tjyang | on my system(RHAS), ipkg has problem to compress/package big directories/fiiles. |
| 22:28.16 | kergoth | [g2]: migration? |
| 22:28.37 | [g2] | kergoth, migration of sorts |
| 22:29.02 | kergoth | migration of what to what? |
| 22:29.10 | [g2] | I'd guess 85% of the stuff being used by Unslung builds and runs straight in OE |
| 22:29.28 | [g2] | Perl doesn't and a couple other things |
| 22:29.30 | kergoth | those packages should be added to oe |
| 22:29.47 | kergoth | i dont expect there to be real package compatibility ever, personally |
| 22:29.50 | [g2] | I understand and agree |
| 22:30.02 | [g2] | hence the "migration" |
| 22:30.06 | kergoth | ah, gotcha. |
| 22:30.14 | [g2] | things get much simpler with OE |
| 22:30.17 | kergoth | perl out of oe should work fine today |
| 22:30.26 | kergoth | afaik anyway |
| 22:30.28 | [g2] | when was it fixd ? |
| 22:30.49 | [g2] | it's been broken for weeks |
| 22:31.53 | kergoth | built fine last time i tried to build it |
| 22:31.53 | kergoth | havent tried armeb in a while |
| 22:32.11 | [g2] | fixing Perl would be awesome because isn't AppWeb based on it ? |
| 22:32.27 | kergoth | no |
| 22:32.37 | kergoth | appweb is a C application |
| 22:33.10 | [g2] | well having Perl would still be awesome anyway, it should be able to be built cross |
| 22:33.19 | kergoth | it _can_ be built cross |
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| 22:33.30 | kergoth | all the cross stuff in perl upstream came from a guy who got it building in the old openzaurus buildsystem |
| 22:33.35 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:33.59 | kergoth | jacques: you've built perl more recently than i. whats the situation? |
| 22:34.07 | dyoung | Did someone fix up a arm5 config that works on the nslu2? |
| 22:34.11 | jacques | it built OK but dynamically loaded modules did not work |
| 22:34.25 | dyoung | ooh... |
| 22:34.28 | jacques | I tried every trick I knew |
| 22:34.28 | kergoth | ah. |
| 22:34.41 | kergoth | odd. |
| 22:34.52 | [g2] | dyoung, arm5 config ? |
| 22:35.06 | dyoung | Read the perl cross build instructions. |
| 22:35.21 | dyoung | you can build it cross if you have a config file. |
| 22:35.28 | jacques | and I was using slightly modiified config.sh from native builds |
| 22:35.29 | [g2] | thx. |
| 22:35.31 | dyoung | but to get the config file you need to run the confurator native. |
| 22:35.46 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:35.54 | kergoth | ~/code/user/oe/openembedded$ ls packages/perl/perl-5.8.3/ |
| 22:35.55 | kergoth | ./ config.sh-arm-linux.patch libperl-5.8.3-create-libperl-soname.patch Makefile.SH.patch |
| 22:36.26 | rwhitby | [g2]: there's too much other stuff going on in this channel to have a sensible strategy discussion |
| 22:36.32 | [g2] | you know I'd like to try running some emulators like qemu locally to get some of that info |
| 22:38.13 | jacques | [g2], perl is so integrated with the OS that you really need a full install to configure it properly |
| 22:38.57 | CIA-10 | 03ptweety * 10unslung/ (17 files in 10 dirs): initial checkin of some perl modules. |
| 22:39.45 | [g2] | jacques, maybe. But perl is a USER app |
| 22:40.27 | tjyang | can anyone here try this in GCC_LANGUAGES="c,c++,objc" in your nslu2-cross335.sh to enable objc ? this will enable the entrance of gnustep apps. |
| 22:41.02 | tjyang | my ipkg is broken. |
| 22:41.21 | tjyang | and it is not becuase of objc modification. |
| 22:41.26 | CIA-10 | 03ptweety * 10unslung/make/perl-digest-hmac.mk: initial checkin of some perl modules. |
| 22:41.28 | pTweety | rwhitby, as we discussed some hours ago I've prepared some perl modules. What do you think? |
| 22:48.12 | rwhitby | tjyang: will try out that change tonight (12 hours time) unless someone else gets to it before then |
| 22:48.20 | copperbeech | question to anyone: is there any adverse effect of having two files with the same number in /opt/etc/init/d/ (say S52foo and S52bar) ? |
| 22:48.24 | rwhitby | pTweety: put them in TESTING and we'll try them out |
| 22:48.39 | copperbeech | *init/d = init.d |
| 22:49.08 | kergoth | rwhitby: would you mind adding some more detail about how startup scripts / booting works in unslung to the oe packages on unslung page? |
| 22:49.19 | kergoth | rwhitby: i've started fixing all the packages to obey all the target paths. |
| 22:49.25 | kergoth | figure thats up next on the todo |
| 22:49.39 | rwhitby | yep - that will get non-daemon packages going ... |
| 22:50.12 | rwhitby | we also need a means of overriding that on a package-by-package basis, for the couple of packages that we do want to install in the base firmware under / instead of under /opt |
| 22:50.21 | rwhitby | (e.g. ipkg and wget ...) |
| 22:50.30 | kergoth | i'll write a quick .inc/.bbclass for that. wont take more than 5 minutes |
| 22:50.37 | kergoth | the startup script one is the more annoying |
| 22:50.59 | tjyang | thanks rod. are your using debian to build crosstool ? |
| 22:51.45 | rwhitby | yes |
| 22:51.57 | tjyang | debian 3.0 or 3.1 ? |
| 22:52.24 | rwhitby | 3.1 |
| 22:52.44 | CIA-10 | 03ptweety * 10unslung/Makefile: several perl modules ready for native testing |
| 22:53.07 | tjyang | good, I am going to do the builds using same os as yours instead RHAS. |
| 22:54.14 | rwhitby | we will be publishing a specific OS and packages for the official nslu2-linux build environment in the next week |
| 22:54.23 | rwhitby | (as we build the new cross compilation machine) |
| 22:54.34 | tjyang | thanks. rod. |
| 22:54.46 | pTweety | night all. I'll be off for some days but will read the logs to check comments concering the perl modules |
| 22:55.12 | tjyang | I am just exhausted between works,family and hobby(nslu2/gnustep). |
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| 23:01.19 | kergoth | rwhitby-away: let me know when you've got that startup script info somewhere. i'd really like to get the oe packages working on unslung, reduce the amount of duplicated effort between the teams. |
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| 23:19.56 | tjyang | I am building crosstool/crosstool-native with objc again on debian 3.1 box. hopefully ipkg on debian is not brokern. |
| 23:20.10 | tjyang | with objc -> with objc enabled. |
| 23:20.44 | tjyang | here is my note. http://mediawiki.gnustep.org/index.php/Platform_compatibility#Linksys_NSLU2. |
| 23:21.04 | tjyang | You are welcome to work on this document. |
| 23:21.15 | [g2] | ~nslu2-camps |
| 23:21.16 | jbot | it has been said that nslu2-camps is 1: want full linksys compatibility (including future releases), can load image through web and telnet in to run ipkg, have no clue about redboot, 2: can telnet into redboot and use linux, 3: power user, but no jtag and no custom redboots, 4: bleeding edge - custom redboots, no need or desire for linksys compatibility |
| 23:50.09 | [g2] | kergoth ping |
| 23:50.16 | kergoth | [g2]: pong |
| 23:51.00 | [g2] | on switching the rootfs, can I just change the real-root-dev ? |
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