| 00:12.42 | goodnewscd | do not see any update on the sf.net web based cvs repository. |
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| 03:35.26 | CIA-1 | 03rpedde * 10unslung/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Update mt-daapd to 0.2.1.1 |
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| 05:06.35 | CIA-1 | 03garpinc * 10unslung/ (sources/xvid/control make/xvid.mk): Xvid libraries |
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| 05:39.49 | ka6sox-away | hi jp30 |
| 05:40.11 | jp30 | ka6sox-away, hi there... |
| 05:40.21 | ka6sox-away | howse it going? |
| 05:40.56 | jp30 | good, i hope i didn't annoy people too much with over hasty commits last night |
| 05:41.54 | jp30 | ...still my modified crosstool-native has rebuilt a lot of things for me at least without trouble now |
| 05:42.13 | ka6sox-away | don't think so...we just go slow here when we are making modifications...especially when there might be big ramifications. |
| 05:43.01 | jp30 | very sensible... i'm hacking on freetype and fontconfig a bit tonight, trying to get them to build native |
| 05:43.26 | ka6sox-away | things are slow tonight...must be v-day activities. |
| 05:43.52 | jp30 | hmm, yes... suppose so... |
| 05:45.29 | ka6sox-away | yeah. |
| 05:46.32 | ka6sox-away | time for me to head out...putting a station off the air :) |
| 05:46.45 | ka6sox-away | he he |
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| 06:24.14 | CIA-1 | 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/fontconfig.mk: fontconfig: be sure to get freetype configuration from staging, not from host freetype |
| 06:49.34 | [g2] | Ok so, I need to change the initrd to =0x01040010 |
| 06:49.42 | [g2] | for the jffs2 block |
| 07:08.52 | dyoung-zzzz | .. 'cept its not really rd right? |
| 07:32.38 | CIA-1 | 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/xft.mk: xft: find freetype-config in staging, not host path |
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| 08:31.50 | perlguru-work | morning |
| 08:32.06 | ka6sox-away | morning |
| 08:48.11 | christopher | python: 242 tests passed 8 tests failed |
| 08:48.37 | dyoung | Nice. |
| 08:49.01 | christopher | now, to fix the 8 :-) |
| 09:08.55 | rwhitby-away | christopher: is that cross or native? |
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| 09:32.51 | xav | christopher: Hi, are you there ? |
| 09:33.38 | rwhitby-away | jbot, seen christopher? |
| 09:33.40 | jbot | christopher is currently on #nslu2-linux. Has said a total of 7 messages. Is idling for 44m 39s |
| 09:45.30 | xav | ok, thanks |
| 09:45.35 | xav | I'll wait a bit :) |
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| 11:47.23 | Bart_unlimited | Anyone experience with RAID? |
| 11:48.59 | Bart_unlimited | I need to umount the sda, but the umount /dev/sda fails |
| 11:49.26 | Bart_unlimited | even with the -f option |
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| 13:20.23 | rwhitby-away | Ksilebo: got my 650 :-) |
| 13:20.33 | Ksilebo | Rock, how do you like it? |
| 13:20.56 | rwhitby-away | it is exceeding expectations :-) |
| 13:21.00 | Ksilebo | Heh |
| 13:21.33 | rwhitby-away | I never imagined how versatile bluetooth access to the laptop to share the broadband connection would be .... |
| 13:21.49 | Ksilebo | Its nice isn't it? |
| 13:22.10 | rwhitby-away | I have the network connection set to Bluetooth, with a fall-back to GPRS. |
| 13:22.33 | rwhitby-away | (GPRS is $5 per MB here) |
| 13:22.53 | Ksilebo | Ouch. Yeah, my CDMA is unlimited for $15 a month |
| 13:26.03 | rwhitby-away | Sold some old 600 accessories for $90 today .... will try and sell the 600, cradle, and hotsync cable for $600 (the 600 is still $760 here, 650 is $1K). |
| 13:26.15 | Ksilebo | Aha |
| 13:26.24 | Ksilebo | I still want a damn cradle for my 650 |
| 13:26.53 | rwhitby-away | I'm not sure I'll get a 650 cradle - bluetooth hotsync is sweet |
| 13:27.33 | Ksilebo | The novelty wears off quickly. |
| 13:28.17 | rwhitby-away | true - it is slow compared to the cable |
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| 13:45.01 | rwhitby-away | #nslu2-linux has just made a $32 donation to freenode.net |
| 13:48.53 | giel | nice one |
| 13:49.20 | giel | i probably have the solution to my initrd/swapper problem |
| 13:49.24 | giel | gonna try it tonight |
| 13:50.10 | rwhitby | anyone know how to get hold of a staffer on IRC ? |
| 13:50.10 | giel | next issue: cross compiling screen with OE for uclibc |
| 13:51.59 | giel | nope sorry, nothing in the motd |
| 13:52.11 | Ksilebo | rwhitby: #freenode |
| 13:52.53 | giel | you could try #freenode |
| 13:52.59 | giel | ah, Ksilebo beat me on that one :) |
| 13:53.03 | Ksilebo | lol |
| 13:54.25 | rwhitby | yeah, I was there, but wasn't voiced, and /who *.staff.freenode returned nothing |
| 13:54.43 | Ksilebo | You need to wait a while before getting voiced. |
| 13:54.55 | rwhitby | yeah, that's happened now |
| 13:59.27 | giel | VoodooZ_Work: about the 'hotplug bug': i don't think there is any, those coldplugging scripts are just damn slow... they take about 15 secs to run on my 1.1ghz celly |
| 13:59.41 | giel | so, just don't do coldplugging |
| 14:00.13 | giel | you also notice it when plugging in a device with hotplug enabled in the kernel, all kinds of processes spawn and the slug gets laggish for a while |
| 14:00.45 | giel | i think i'm gonna kick hotplug out of my kernel, it's not good for my slug imo |
| 14:42.38 | rwhitby | jbot, seen [g2]? |
| 14:42.48 | jbot | [g2] <~g2@rdu57-8-035.nc.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #nslu2-linux, 7h 53m 6s ago, saying: 'for the jffs2 block'. |
| 14:44.52 | giel | ~g2 |
| 14:44.53 | jbot | Easy to use, portable and powerful 2D graphics library. URL: http://www.ap.univie.ac.at/users/ljubo/g2/g2.shtml |
| 14:44.58 | giel | ~[g2] |
| 14:44.59 | jbot | well, [g2] is really cool, and an an all around nice guy! Also he is a real funny guy, the master of NSLU2 Buildroot and a known Slug Sacrificer. And editor of SlugNews. |
| 14:58.14 | VoodooZ_Work | giel: Yeah but I heard of people booting in under 10 seconds on a small arm board so there's got to be a way. |
| 14:58.44 | VoodooZ_Work | Mine takes 12 seconds just in hotplug. the whole jffs2 is slow too so obviously there's more than one culprit |
| 15:00.07 | VoodooZ_Work | I might try disabling it too actually. screw udev. For my robot i reboot often during testing so I'd rather have a faster boot and no hotplugging. |
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| 15:01.21 | siddy | did anybody ever succeed to get oprofile running on openslug? or... has anybody even tried to? |
| 15:13.51 | giel | VoodooZ_Work: i don't use jffs2 (i boot from hdd), i've disabled hotplug... now my boot all together takes like 20 secs i guess |
| 15:14.01 | giel | VoodooZ_Work: and there're lots of scripts to be stripped down |
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| 15:15.03 | giel | VoodooZ_Work: i'm using static device files on hdd, there's a bootup script which mounts a ramdrive on /dev/ and populates it, but i turned that off and save another second or so :) |
| 15:15.07 | VoodooZ_Work | looks good. |
| 15:15.15 | [g2] | morning guys |
| 15:15.18 | giel | moringn |
| 15:15.21 | giel | ~ugt |
| 15:15.22 | jbot | ugt is, like, Universal Greeting Time. It states that it is always morning when person comes in, and it is always late when person leaves. Local time of any member of channel is irrelevant. |
| 15:15.22 | VoodooZ_Work | hey [g2] |
| 15:16.01 | VoodooZ_Work | Aren't you using jffs2 anyways though? |
| 15:16.15 | giel | VoodooZ_Work: it can be summarized as 'the schemes that work nicely for a desktop machine are just too bloated for an embedded device' |
| 15:16.21 | giel | VoodooZ_Work: nope, not touching it at all |
| 15:16.48 | VoodooZ_Work | I thought it was part of the default openslug though. The root is a jffs2 partition. |
| 15:17.01 | siddy | hi [g2], bad news... the network of my sweet preemptible openslug went down last night, so still not fix for that problem. |
| 15:17.02 | giel | on boot, reboot loads the kernel and the 1mb initrd from flash, and that's all i use |
| 15:17.05 | VoodooZ_Work | btw I agree, about the desktop/slug thing. |
| 15:17.10 | giel | VoodooZ_Work: yes, the _default_ openslug |
| 15:17.14 | giel | but i'm not using that |
| 15:17.15 | giel | :) |
| 15:17.32 | VoodooZ_Work | You modified it or? |
| 15:17.37 | giel | yeah, mainly switchbox |
| 15:17.50 | giel | and copied the jffs2 root to hdd and modified fstab |
| 15:18.01 | giel | and modified some of the startup scripts |
| 15:18.09 | giel | not satisfied yet tho |
| 15:18.27 | VoodooZ_Work | I see. |
| 15:18.49 | [g2] | siddy, thx for the update |
| 15:18.55 | giel | i want a new kernel with packet support for dhcp |
| 15:19.06 | VoodooZ_Work | I can't use a HD for my robot though so I'm stuck with flash. And there seems to be a few seconds of delay associated with that jffs2/initrd stuff. |
| 15:19.07 | [g2] | giel, change defconfig |
| 15:19.17 | giel | [g2]: yeah, i know how, but i still have to do that |
| 15:19.33 | giel | VoodooZ_Work: you can screw jffs2 and plug in a memstick |
| 15:19.34 | VoodooZ_Work | AH! That's why I couldn't get dhcp to work! |
| 15:19.36 | [g2] | giel, I can only help *so* much :) |
| 15:19.42 | giel | [g2]: heh :) |
| 15:19.48 | giel | [g2]: not asking you to build a kernel :) |
| 15:20.06 | giel | [g2]: i've figured out the swapper thing tho |
| 15:20.17 | [g2] | giel, what was it ? |
| 15:20.32 | giel | [g2]: well, when using pivot_root, you'll have to put root=/dev/ram0 at the command line |
| 15:20.53 | giel | that's the solution the initrd author gave me |
| 15:21.02 | [g2] | ahh.. so it boots from the ramdisk |
| 15:21.10 | giel | and the reason of the weird process i've figured out myself by looking at the kernel source |
| 15:21.32 | giel | when not using root=/dev/ram0, you're using parts of pivot_root and parts of the old mechanism |
| 15:21.50 | giel | and swapper is a kernel task of the old mechanism which waits for linuxrc to end |
| 15:22.00 | giel | which it won't do ever using pivot_root |
| 15:22.10 | giel | so it's just waiting and taking up your spare cpu time doing so |
| 15:22.17 | [g2] | so this is 2.6 specific |
| 15:22.26 | giel | guess so |
| 15:22.36 | VoodooZ_Work | giel: are you saying your fix would speed up the boot in most cases or? |
| 15:23.05 | giel | VoodooZ_Work: no, openslug normally uses the old real-root-dev mechanism (at least with switchbox 3.x) |
| 15:23.08 | giel | which is okay too |
| 15:23.33 | giel | but if you're using pivot_root (switchbox 4.x), you better add root=/dev/ram0 init=/linuxrc to your command line |
| 15:23.34 | VoodooZ_Work | ok. |
| 15:24.04 | VoodooZ_Work | I wouldn't know. I'm using the latest from the repo. |
| 15:24.15 | VoodooZ_Work | Could you push your fix? |
| 15:24.28 | giel | no |
| 15:24.38 | giel | 'cause it involves a change of defconfig of the kernel |
| 15:24.42 | [g2] | giel, siddy VoodooZ_Work on a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being very likely) what's are your chances of flashing a different bootloader ? |
| 15:24.44 | VoodooZ_Work | ic. |
| 15:24.45 | giel | which is specific for switchbox 4.x |
| 15:24.52 | giel | [g2]: 9 |
| 15:25.14 | VoodooZ_Work | well, if it's tested enough prior I'd say, 8 |
| 15:25.24 | [g2] | giel, is such a h4x0r5 |
| 15:25.50 | giel | [g2]: hehe, i've altered my boot process severly without having serial, so, yeah :) |
| 15:26.02 | VoodooZ_Work | especially if it permits me to adjust that very long redboot delay at startup |
| 15:26.18 | giel | VoodooZ_Work: yep, 2-3 secs wasted there at least |
| 15:26.18 | siddy | [g2], why should we want another bootloader? redboot does what it should do for me... booting! ;-) |
| 15:26.43 | giel | siddy: because we can? that's reason enough (for me at least) |
| 15:26.43 | [g2] | siddy, several things |
| 15:26.55 | [g2] | 1) security |
| 15:27.31 | [g2] | 2) passing different cmdline options to the kernel |
| 15:27.32 | giel | 2) skip the whole st00pid initrd stuff and just mount the hdd as root in the first place |
| 15:27.48 | VoodooZ_Work | giel: I second that! |
| 15:27.57 | giel | (or memstick or whatever) |
| 15:28.11 | [g2] | That's a test candidate |
| 15:28.58 | [g2] | That would make for a quick boot |
| 15:29.35 | [g2] | just copy the kernel and boot straight to the /sda1 or /sdb1 |
| 15:29.42 | giel | yup |
| 15:29.45 | VoodooZ_Work | giel: concerning that root=/dev/ram0 init=/linuxrc change: Do I simply append this to the CONFIG_CMDLINE of my defconfig? |
| 15:29.58 | giel | VoodooZ_Work: no, that's a pitfall |
| 15:30.08 | VoodooZ_Work | what? |
| 15:30.11 | giel | VoodooZ_Work: CONFIG_CMDLINE gets changed in the .bb |
| 15:30.42 | giel | VoodooZ_Work: mind you, i haven't tested it yet myself, planning to do that tonight |
| 15:30.43 | VoodooZ_Work | I thought you said you couldn't push it because it was in defconfig? |
| 15:30.51 | [g2] | do you guys know how to do a very fast build of the kernel ? |
| 15:30.52 | siddy | hm... okay I see, the cmdline-args and non-initrd stuff would be nice, but flashing the bootloader sounds too dangerous to me! :-D |
| 15:30.54 | giel | VoodooZ_Work: oh uh yeah well, same reasons apply |
| 15:31.05 | VoodooZ_Work | ok, please let us know so we can fix it for everyone. |
| 15:31.36 | giel | VoodooZ_Work: i'll do some experiments if it doesn't break switchbox 3.x support |
| 15:31.44 | VoodooZ_Work | [g2]: just the kernel? |
| 15:31.44 | giel | VoodooZ_Work: it probably does |
| 15:31.54 | [g2] | http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/TweakKernelOrPackagesInOE |
| 15:32.31 | VoodooZ_Work | bitbake -c clean openslug-kernel; bitbake openslug-kernel |
| 15:32.39 | [g2] | In your case it's change the defconf in the tmp/work/... dir |
| 15:32.53 | giel | i wish bb wasn't such a resource hog |
| 15:33.02 | giel | i mean, just starting bb takes ages on my system |
| 15:34.10 | VoodooZ_Work | I can now build my very fat openslug build in 74minutes on a dual xeon. |
| 15:34.22 | VoodooZ_Work | I'll be trying it on a quad opteron real soon too. |
| 15:34.26 | giel | i only have a celly 1.1ghz with 460mb or so memory |
| 15:34.50 | VoodooZ_Work | yeah, you need 1gig really. |
| 15:34.56 | VoodooZ_Work | and a fast HD. |
| 15:35.10 | giel | hm, maybe i even have some spare mem left |
| 15:35.14 | giel | let me check that tonight |
| 15:35.22 | giel | now, back to work really |
| 15:35.45 | giel | btw, i've ordered http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdrive3/index.html |
| 15:35.54 | giel | might be useful for openslugging too at some point :) |
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| 16:25.22 | HostingGeek | o.0 |
| 16:25.38 | HostingGeek | this is that thing that was slashdotted a long time ago |
| 16:25.49 | [g2] | nod. |
| 16:25.50 | HostingGeek | that wifi thing right? |
| 16:25.54 | [g2] | nope |
| 16:25.57 | ByronT | wifi? |
| 16:26.07 | [g2] | you're thinking wrt54g |
| 16:26.13 | HostingGeek | yes |
| 16:26.23 | [g2] | #wrt54g #sveasoft |
| 16:26.23 | ByronT | nas box that the devs have turned into full fledged server+ |
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| 16:27.10 | HostingGeek | hmm if i want to network 3 computer what best to do |
| 16:27.17 | HostingGeek | get the router |
| 16:27.25 | *** part/#nslu2-linux |Bot| (~rid@xsuid.net.ru) |
| 16:27.29 | HostingGeek | or just use some ethernet cables |
| 16:27.56 | Tiersten | Get a router unless you want to faff with two NICs in one of the computers |
| 16:28.17 | Tiersten | You'd also have to ensure that computer is always on if you ever wanted to communicate between the other two. |
| 16:28.23 | Tiersten | Or be old school and use 10base2.... |
| 16:28.56 | HostingGeek | no i just need to get internet access to the other 2 |
| 16:29.10 | HostingGeek | one is a 686 |
| 16:29.21 | HostingGeek | and the other is P# |
| 16:29.55 | HostingGeek | the P3 doesn't have to have internet but if my bro want to play a multiplayer game with me.... |
| 16:32.16 | ByronT | ~nslu2-general |
| 16:32.17 | jbot | #nslu2-general is the IRC channel specifically set up for end-user questions about the NSLU2 device. Questions that are not related to the nslu2-linux development projects should not be asked in #nslu2-linux, but should be asked in #nslu2-general instead. |
| 16:33.02 | giel | can i ask questions with no relation to nslu2 nor linux here? :P |
| 16:33.23 | ByronT | just one! ;) |
| 16:33.54 | HostingGeek | hey i can then too |
| 16:33.56 | [g2] | can't wait for these to start shipping :) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=21267 |
| 16:33.59 | giel | you already did :P |
| 16:34.11 | giel | and besides that, i'm not expecting an answer :) |
| 16:34.15 | HostingGeek | i get 2 because i am.... |
| 16:35.04 | giel | you are four dots? is that painful? |
| 16:35.53 | giel | [g2]: why? to hook up sata drives to your slug? |
| 16:36.04 | [g2] | sure and to reprogram :) |
| 16:36.19 | giel | it probably doesn't run linux |
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| 16:36.46 | giel | at least, not out of the box |
| 16:37.26 | [g2] | FPGA/SOC |
| 16:37.34 | giel | uhu |
| 16:37.40 | giel | i only use them, i don't program them |
| 16:37.54 | HostingGeek | :Z |
| 16:37.57 | giel | we get experimental boards with fpga's |
| 16:38.15 | [g2] | I've only programmed them (network processors) for a couple years |
| 16:38.39 | [g2] | giel, you know we're working on OpenJTAG with an FPGA board right ? |
| 16:38.54 | giel | didn't know |
| 16:39.04 | [g2] | #openjtag |
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| 16:39.19 | giel | i've got a board lying around here with dvb-h reception/decoding in a fpga |
| 16:39.38 | giel | hooked up to an arm-based cpu running linux |
| 16:40.06 | [g2] | ~puppy |
| 16:40.10 | giel | HostingGeek: but if i were you i'd get a router, more useful and more fun |
| 16:42.02 | HostingGeek | i don't have $$$$$$$$$$$$$ |
| 16:42.35 | HostingGeek | i sent $5 getting all these toys ethernet cards |
| 16:42.50 | HostingGeek | my dad doesn't understnd that they alway have to be on |
| 16:43.12 | HostingGeek | i have tried expling it to him but he says: |
| 16:43.31 | HostingGeek | "But at work i can just pull out the plug..." |
| 16:44.39 | giel | try to convince him by telling you'll save the cost of a router on power |
| 16:44.50 | giel | but if a router is no option money-wise, then the choice is easy |
| 16:45.05 | giel | 'cause it'll work without |
| 16:45.13 | HostingGeek | how? |
| 16:45.17 | giel | having one computer as 'server' for the others |
| 16:45.26 | HostingGeek | yes i can do that |
| 16:45.41 | giel | well, and you might want a switch, but those can be really cheap |
| 16:45.49 | HostingGeek | my com here is on for that past 40 days or so from the last thunder storm |
| 16:45.58 | HostingGeek | giel: how much |
| 16:46.06 | giel | $10? |
| 16:46.18 | HostingGeek | how much from ebay? |
| 16:46.21 | giel | dunno |
| 16:46.28 | HostingGeek | s/ebay/ebay.com.au |
| 16:46.41 | giel | i don't buy too much second hand stuff |
| 16:46.41 | giel | only a car once in a while |
| 16:46.56 | HostingGeek | ROTFL |
| 16:47.01 | HostingGeek | lit. |
| 16:47.24 | giel | although i'm really doubting about my next one, but that's a whole different story |
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| 17:19.20 | Esine | nslu2 .. |
| 17:19.30 | Esine | some router or firewall? |
| 17:20.29 | Esine | k |
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| 17:20.37 | Tiersten | uh okay... |
| 17:20.57 | Tiersten | Do people not understand NAS? |
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| 17:34.04 | ByronT | Tiersten, naw... they see THG and think "iTunes server", gotta get me one of those.... |
| 17:34.30 | ByronT | and then get home and say what the heck did I buy? |
| 17:34.58 | ByronT | I speak from experience, of course... :) |
| 17:38.59 | Tiersten | :) |
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| 18:00.46 | CIA-1 | 03shenson * 10unslung/Makefile: gdb ready for testing |
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| 18:02.51 | pTweety | hi |
| 18:03.48 | Tiersten | yo |
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| 18:12.21 | giel | yuy |
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| 18:19.55 | perlguru | hi |
| 18:21.16 | [g2] | hi |
| 18:21.23 | Tiersten | hola |
| 18:21.33 | ByronT | hello |
| 18:21.40 | [g2] | Tiersten I ran APEX from ran last night :) |
| 18:22.17 | [g2] | bbiaf |
| 18:22.24 | Tiersten | cool |
| 18:22.25 | perlguru | i still have my bitbake problem :( |
| 18:22.36 | perlguru | ipkg-native wont build |
| 18:23.07 | perlguru | | all_read.c:45: error: conflicting types for 'full_read' |
| 18:23.07 | perlguru | | libbb.h:119: error: previous declaration of 'full_read' was here |
| 18:23.07 | perlguru | | make[2]: *** [libbb_la-all_read.lo] Error 1 |
| 18:23.07 | perlguru | | |
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| 18:26.18 | [g2] | doh! |
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| 18:38.36 | pTweety | is anyone interested in testing postfix, cyrus-imap and fetchmail? |
| 18:39.08 | pTweety | I think I'm almost done with the packages and will check in the latest version soon |
| 18:39.31 | [cc]smart | perlguru: if you update bitbake (if you didn't maybe you should :)) i'd think you'd have to rerun theat setup script |
| 18:40.03 | [cc]smart | <- very interested in mailserver |
| 18:40.17 | jp30 | pTweety, i'm busy building pango myself so can't help you test... but... thanks for the advice about gconv |
| 18:40.22 | [cc]smart | <- will have to buy anoth slug |
| 18:40.50 | pTweety | no problem |
| 18:41.56 | pTweety | jp30: what do you plan to do with x on the slug? (just curious) |
| 18:42.20 | [cc]smart | perlguru: ah... misinterpreted.... probably bb is not realted |
| 18:42.33 | perlguru | [cc]smart, no luck indeed |
| 18:42.43 | giel | pTweety: tell me more about postfix |
| 18:42.50 | giel | pTweety: unslung ipk? |
| 18:42.51 | jp30 | pTweety: just hack... doing all this porting has been a nice way to learn about X |
| 18:42.59 | perlguru | i tried even emptying the tmp dir. |
| 18:43.11 | pTweety | aha |
| 18:43.22 | pTweety | giel: what do you want to know |
| 18:43.40 | giel | pTweety: is it an unslung ipk? |
| 18:43.50 | giel | 'cause i was planning on building it for openslug/uclibc |
| 18:43.50 | pTweety | yet, almost |
| 18:43.58 | giel | any pitfalls? |
| 18:43.59 | pTweety | s/yet/yepp/ |
| 18:44.04 | [cc]smart | perlguru: which version does it try to build ? |
| 18:45.20 | pTweety | giel: I'm on the way to check it in into cvs. It's native only and needs some prerequisits |
| 18:45.51 | perlguru | [cc]smart, NOTE: package ipkg-native-0.99.140-r0: task do_compile: failed |
| 18:46.02 | giel | pTweety: hm ok, i'll look at it |
| 18:46.05 | pTweety | giel: only a small patch to makedefs was needed |
| 18:46.12 | giel | pTweety: i only do cross :) |
| 18:46.15 | giel | and openslug |
| 18:46.29 | pTweety | hm, I managed to compile native but not cross |
| 18:46.40 | giel | ok, there's some work for me left then :) |
| 18:46.42 | pTweety | to many problems with helper tools forme |
| 18:46.51 | giel | there is a .bb in OE, but that's an older version |
| 18:46.55 | [cc]smart | surprising, that exact same version worked for me on last run .... i set the missing TARGET_OS to linux, not uclibc, same choice for you ? |
| 18:47.01 | pTweety | hm, interesting |
| 18:47.11 | giel | so, i'll figure it out |
| 18:47.18 | giel | 'cause i want postfix + dovecot running |
| 18:47.24 | pTweety | how can I access this bb? |
| 18:47.35 | pTweety | is there a webfrontend? |
| 18:47.46 | perlguru | [cc]smart, OE Build Configuration: |
| 18:47.47 | perlguru | TARGET_ARCH = "armeb" |
| 18:47.47 | perlguru | TARGET_OS = "linux" |
| 18:47.47 | perlguru | MACHINE = "nslu2" |
| 18:47.47 | perlguru | DISTRO = "unslung" |
| 18:47.47 | perlguru | TARGET_FPU = "soft" |
| 18:48.27 | pTweety | giel: you want dovecot because of it's size? |
| 18:49.05 | [cc]smart | i did openslug, and did not set that FPU flag |
| 18:49.11 | [cc]smart | even don't have it in the file |
| 18:49.45 | perlguru | [cc]smart, is standard reported by bitbake |
| 18:54.05 | [cc]smart | i'll try to bb unslung... |
| 18:54.48 | [g2] | [cc]smart, grep TARGET_ openembedded/conf/distro/openslug.conf |
| 18:55.28 | [g2] | [cc]smart, you are probably pointing to the oe-devel repo |
| 18:55.44 | [g2] | I don't know that change is there along with another fix |
| 18:56.38 | [g2] | playing with desktop kernels.. bbiaf |
| 18:57.07 | [cc]smart | i just saw that FPU IS defined in my unslung config, but not in openslug |
| 18:58.07 | [cc]smart | oe devel repo ? the from nslu-linux that is... |
| 18:59.58 | CIA-1 | 03ptweety * 10unslung/ (9 files in 2 dirs): |
| 19:00.00 | CIA-1 | Split into base and doc. |
| 19:00.02 | CIA-1 | Added some config files. |
| 19:00.04 | CIA-1 | Enhanced postinst script. |
| 19:00.06 | CIA-1 | prerm script still missing. |
| 19:00.08 | CIA-1 | But the package is almost usable. |
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| 19:15.26 | CIA-1 | 03ptweety * 10unslung/Makefile: cyrus-imapd and postfix are NATIVE_ONLY_PACKAGES_READY_FOR_TESTING |
| 19:24.37 | CIA-1 | 03ptweety * 10unslung/make/postfix.mk: added the CONFFILES |
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| 19:38.46 | giel | pTweety: no obvious reason really, it just seemed okay and leightweightish |
| 19:41.37 | pTweety | it was an my roadmap as wel, but now I can care about my wife :-) |
| 19:42.03 | pTweety | cause cyrus-imapd seems to run fine |
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| 19:47.08 | giel | i have some... weird unreasonable objection against both cyrus and courier |
| 19:52.57 | pTweety | does dovecot provide server side filtering? |
| 19:53.20 | pTweety | and sorting? |
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| 20:09.32 | giel | dunno |
| 20:09.49 | giel | i am going to try out. later. when i'm happy with my slug config |
| 20:09.58 | giel | now, on with the kernel building |
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| 20:19.13 | ByronT | Stay, CIA-1, stay! |
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| 20:42.32 | pTweety | can someone explain me details about the start/stop script mechanism in /opt/etc/init.d? |
| 20:42.55 | pTweety | are all script executed at startup or only these starting with S... |
| 20:43.27 | pTweety | can we on the other hand have K... script that are executed before shutdown? |
| 20:46.07 | perlguru | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.01 | pTweety | thanks, that's what I was looking for. |
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| 20:51.45 | ByronT | jacques, do you know CVS? |
| 20:52.48 | jacques | ByronT, uh, barely well enough to get by. I suspect you're about to ask me something obscure. |
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| 21:35.12 | ByronT | brb... winrebooting |
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| 21:56.40 | [cc]smart | perlgugu: got lost in watching some docu movie here... unslung-image is the target ? i get this: ERROR: dependency unslung-able-image (for unslung-image) not satisfied |
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| 22:48.03 | siddy | I think I finally managed to stabalize my openslug's network! |
| 22:48.46 | siddy | at least it doesn't pause or crash any more under heavy network & cpu loads. |
| 22:49.13 | jacques | what was it? |
| 22:49.51 | siddy | I disabled those crazy 5000 irq-polls per second of the ixp425_eth-module |
| 22:50.10 | siddy | and now it looks rock-solid! 8-) |
| 22:50.24 | jacques | how'd you do that? |
| 22:50.45 | jacques | changed the driver or just disabled it? |
| 22:51.07 | siddy | i changed the driver: the module had 2 ways to handle ethernet-events, one via the polling and another irq-driven one. |
| 22:51.25 | jacques | holy crap you mean that's been in there all that time and nobody found it?? |
| 22:51.36 | jacques | this is huge |
| 22:51.36 | siddy | the polling seemed to be some kind of feature, increasing the performance, according to the comments. |
| 22:51.55 | jacques | we need this written up :-) |
| 22:52.01 | ByronT | wiki update! |
| 22:52.11 | siddy | *sigh* |
| 22:52.19 | siddy | okay, doing it... |
| 22:52.31 | ByronT | that was a comment... not a question (per the rules, you know) |
| 22:52.39 | jacques | siddy, if you were a girl I would kiss you |
| 22:52.59 | siddy | lol, bad idea! ;) |
| 22:54.21 | dyoung | This *is* HUGE. |
| 22:54.35 | dyoung | ~worship siddy |
| 22:54.37 | jbot | ACTION genuflects before siddy. "I'm not worthy!" |
| 22:55.37 | jacques | ~hail siddy |
| 22:55.39 | jbot | ACTION bows down to siddy and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 22:56.12 | [g2] | siddy, Network daemon! |
| 22:57.56 | [g2] | siddy, congrats! |
| 22:58.10 | dyoung | hahahaha |
| 22:58.22 | siddy | thx, it was worth the work! openslug is finally stable for me! |
| 22:58.28 | dyoung | "Interal ISR: Run a few thousand times per second......" |
| 23:02.10 | [g2] | siddy, were you doing much hd activity before and did you get any of those IRQ 26 errors ? |
| 23:03.04 | siddy | I still get those errors. |
| 23:06.48 | jacques | I never thought those were related to the CSR stuff |
| 23:07.18 | [g2] | jacques, what do you think they are releated to ? |
| 23:07.24 | jacques | it's more like a 2.6 thing since they don't seem to happen on 2.4 |
| 23:07.54 | jacques | somewhere in my logs/notes I should have some ideas someone had for tuning that |
| 23:08.00 | siddy | http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/StabilizeEthernetDriver |
| 23:08.03 | siddy | :-D |
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| 23:09.14 | jacques | siddy, thanks! |
| 23:09.33 | siddy | np |
| 23:13.26 | jacques | siddy, you mention possible increased CPU utilization - do you have any specifics? |
| 23:13.50 | jacques | like "before it was taking 10% and now 20% at max xfer bandwidth" |
| 23:16.29 | siddy | jacques, no, sorry, I just observed that there are now _many_ calls on irq 3 during transfers, up to 6000 per second. so, there may be about 20% more cpu-usage when using all 100mbit |
| 23:17.14 | jacques | siddy, at the very least you've given us a choice, which is great. |
| 23:17.53 | jacques | I wouldn't be surprised if we switched to the no-polling method as standard |
| 23:18.12 | siddy | hehe, yes it is. and... I see no big sence in using 5000 irqs pre second when the network is completely idle, so the 20% are a good investment I think. |
| 23:18.48 | jacques | i would love to see a load of 0.0 with the CSR drivers loaded :-) |
| 23:21.48 | siddy | I'd prefer the no-polling to be standard, because openslug's network is unstable with polling. I could produce network-outages within minutes with polling. |
| 23:24.15 | jacques | siddy, it probably will become standard - we just need to try it |
| 23:26.15 | siddy | of course, np. I couldn't see anything in the driver that would break without polling, but I agree, we need some testing on that. |
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| 23:35.14 | [g2]-dinner | jacques, I see a load of 0.0 with the usbnet drivers loaded :) |
| 23:38.19 | jacques | [g2], ?? |
| 23:38.29 | jacques | and I see load of 0.0 without CSR loaded |
| 23:39.01 | [g2] | yes, but with the usbnet driver I've got networking going too, just not active |
| 23:39.28 | [g2] | active IP traffic that is |
| 23:39.55 | jacques | yeah as I would expect - I said "i would love to see a load of 0.0 with the CSR drivers loaded :-)" |
| 23:40.16 | [g2] | I understand |
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| 23:46.09 | rwhitby-web | we need to get an Unslung build happening with this change incorporated .... |
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