| 00:03.09 | ka6sox | whoa... |
| 00:03.29 | ka6sox | there is no reason that with OpenSlug it wouldn't work |
| 00:03.46 | ka6sox | and with a -able kernel uNSLUng should work too. |
| 00:23.04 | rwhitby-web | AUD$80 for the dongle ... |
| 00:23.59 | ka6sox | okay I'm setting up gastro now...uNSLUng 3.18-Beta |
| 00:24.10 | ka6sox | with a standard kernel. |
| 00:24.14 | ka6sox | not a -able one. |
| 00:27.07 | ka6sox | right? |
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| 00:28.17 | Tiersten | rwhitby-away: Yes. Assuming it follows the standard for Bluetooth USB dongles |
| 00:30.39 | Tiersten | ""a frequency hopping" scheme that's almost impossible to intercept" |
| 00:30.41 | Tiersten | uh yeah... |
| 00:31.24 | rwhitby-web | It uses the CSR (Cambridge Silicon Radio) chipset, so it's well supported I think in normal linux |
| 00:31.25 | ka6sox | FH is much harder to intercept |
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| 02:58.24 | jp30 | anyone know why the unslung automake package doesn't install /opt/bin/automake-1.9? it's there in the data tarball in the package, but for some reason "ipkg install automake" doesn't seem to install it. (normally it would be a hard link to /opt/bin/automake) |
| 03:01.47 | rwhitby-web | ah - ipkg can't handle hard links |
| 03:02.12 | rwhitby-web | can you change the automake.mk makefile in CVS to create and package a softlink instead? |
| 03:02.39 | jp30 | OK, I'll try that... |
| 03:03.38 | rwhitby-web | I had to do that in the crosstools-native package, cause it had a hard link for c -> g |
| 03:04.01 | rwhitby-web | (that's C plus plus -> G plus plus - this web interface eats plus signs) |
| 03:04.54 | jp30 | i've another problem with native crosstools, BTW. It seems that limits.h doesn't respect _POSIX_SOURCE, this breaks native compilation of glib |
| 03:06.13 | jp30 | haven't looked into it deeply though... |
| 03:18.11 | CIA-10 | 03jp30 * 10unslung/ (make/automake.mk sources/automake/control): install automake-1.9 and aclocal-1.9 |
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| 03:28.29 | jp30 | automake is now working nicely... onward to a native compile of libX11... might be done in an hour or so... |
| 03:33.04 | ka6sox | jp30, thanks! |
| 03:33.19 | ka6sox | ~hail jp30 |
| 03:33.21 | jbot | ACTION bows down to jp30 and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 03:34.48 | rwhitby-web | jp30: I don't know much about the internals of crosstools - I just packaged what jacques said worked :-) |
| 03:36.36 | jp30 | rwhitby-web, i'll look into it more closely later. seems like something odd is going on with tricky internals of glibc... ulch. might be easiest to patch a workaround into glib |
| 03:39.34 | jp30 | ... or just resign ourselves to glib being CROSS_ONLY. who's going to want to build gtk+ natively anyway? it'd take decades |
| 03:41.20 | Tiersten | you'd never finish. by the time you got close, they would have released a newer version... |
| 03:43.42 | Tiersten | possibly. it'd only be 1 year instead of a whole decade |
| 03:44.15 | ka6sox | lol! |
| 03:44.24 | ka6sox | so we throw some more slugs at it! |
| 03:44.46 | Tiersten | Or just do the sane thing and make it cross only unless you were really bored :) |
| 03:44.58 | glc | Machine gun compiler. |
| 03:45.30 | Tiersten | Dunk a NSLU2 in liquid nitrogen and overclock it |
| 03:45.42 | ka6sox | distcc |
| 03:47.08 | ka6sox | are retail CPU's epoxied to the fans? |
| 03:47.16 | Tiersten | No |
| 03:47.23 | glc | GCC - Gatling C compiler. |
| 03:47.32 | ka6sox | brrrrrrrrrrrrap |
| 04:00.45 | rwhitby-web | since our policy is to compile cross unless there is a compelling reason to compile something native, then that's fine for glib. |
| 04:04.09 | jp30 | well, i'll try to find out more about what the problem is. |
| 04:06.00 | jp30 | dinner is ready. i'll be back later to report on my native x11 build |
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| 05:51.17 | rwhitby-web | I'm going to make a USD$32 (the standard active amount) donation to freenode (who host this channel). Any objections? I also want to set up a project cloak .... |
| 05:53.58 | ka6sox | no objections here. |
| 05:54.10 | ka6sox | they have been doing an excellent job. |
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| 06:57.39 | rwhitby-away | scanline: did you get the donation ok? |
| 06:58.00 | scanline | rwhitby-away: yes, it came pretty much immediately. thanks again :) |
| 06:59.02 | rwhitby-away | we're going to donate to freenode too |
| 06:59.08 | scanline | cool |
| 06:59.10 | rwhitby-away | and try and get a project cloak |
| 07:09.09 | ka6sox | hiya scanline |
| 07:20.48 | jp30 | i think i have found the problem with native-compilation of glib. the limits.h installed as part of crosstool-native is indeed broken. should have a fix to crosstool-native.mk shortly... |
| 07:24.18 | ka6sox | jp30, cool! |
| 07:33.17 | scanline | hi ka6sox |
| 07:33.52 | ka6sox | what language is CIA written in? |
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| 07:58.57 | template | it has something to do with firmware, hasn't it? |
| 07:59.52 | ka6sox-zzzz | huh? |
| 08:00.13 | template | i cannot figura out what it is about %-) |
| 08:00.23 | ka6sox-zzzz | what is *it*? |
| 08:00.29 | template | nslu2 |
| 08:00.38 | ka6sox-zzzz | ~nslu2 |
| 08:00.39 | jbot | it has been said that nslu2 is a Linksys network storage device. It runs linux and features an ixp4xx processor, and is hackable. See http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?grid=35&scid=43&prid=640, http://www.nslu2-linux.org/ |
| 08:01.23 | template | thx was searching for the former, the latter i had. |
| 08:02.03 | template | quite confusing to be pointed to the wiki without knowing about that device. :-) thx again. |
| 08:03.10 | ka6sox-zzzz | okay have fun. |
| 08:03.13 | ka6sox-zzzz | nite all |
| 08:03.22 | jp30 | hurrah! glib builds... cvs commit coming up... |
| 08:05.15 | CIA-10 | 03jp30 * 10unslung/ (8 files in 2 dirs): include a working syslimits.h in crosstool-native |
| 08:30.50 | christopher | anyone know why patch gives me the error fseek:improper arguement |
| 08:43.38 | rwhitby-away | christopher: patch needs to be built native - you can't get it from the cross feed |
| 08:45.54 | christopher | oh, ok |
| 08:46.01 | giel | hmz\ |
| 08:46.06 | giel | screen doesn't compile in OE |
| 08:46.11 | christopher | I am trying a native build of python |
| 08:46.14 | giel | i suspect it has something to do with uclibc |
| 08:47.11 | christopher | anyway, I guess I'll see what comes out of the compile in the morning, night all |
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| 08:48.35 | perlguru-work | morning |
| 09:00.53 | rwhitby-away | morning |
| 09:05.30 | giel | morning |
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| 11:28.57 | MooZ | hello |
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| 11:32.08 | siddy | hi folks! |
| 11:33.07 | siddy | a question to the opensluggers: Openslug is frequently crashing for me under high network-loads. anyone else seeing this? |
| 11:54.44 | giel | hm, haven't been running any high network loads |
| 11:54.52 | giel | i'm still wondering what swapper might be |
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| 12:14.09 | rwhitby | ~google swapper linux |
| 12:14.36 | rwhitby | giel: there's a start for your research ... |
| 12:19.49 | giel | most of those links are about the swapper, which might or might not be [swapper]. I mean, the swapper is [kswapd], and what this is I don't know yet... funny thing is the task doesn't exist on my desktop machine |
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| 13:17.08 | siddy | ah , hi [g2]! |
| 13:17.40 | siddy | do you know of any problems with openslug crashing under high network-loads? |
| 13:21.46 | perlguru-work | so, when is openslug going beta? |
| 13:22.45 | siddy | i think the beta is coming when there are 20 alpha-users. we are currently at 15. |
| 13:25.58 | perlguru-work | is there an up-to-date status/feature page? |
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| 13:26.44 | perlguru-work | last time i checked it had outdated info.... |
| 13:27.52 | perlguru-work | http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/OpenSlugStatus last edited 14 dec. 2004 |
| 13:29.40 | siddy | yeah, looks a bit outdated. I think, all points except the last one are resolved right now, at least I haven't noticed those problems up to now... ;) |
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| 13:32.03 | rwhitby-away | perlguru-work: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nslu2-linux/database?method=reportRows&tbl=7 |
| 13:32.08 | rwhitby-away | still 15 |
| 13:42.31 | [g2] | siddy, hey! |
| 13:43.57 | [g2] | siddy, i don't know of any specific problem other than this same problem the stock unit has with big transfers. That was supposed to be fixed with the R23.29 Release that I've never seen source code for |
| 13:45.08 | siddy | [g2], I have never seen those problems with unslung |
| 13:45.20 | [g2] | The major troubling issue I'm aware of with OpenSlug is the irq 26 message that comes up during high disk utilization, which may or may not be a real problem |
| 13:46.08 | [g2] | perlguru-work, hey. I'll update the OpenSlug Status page |
| 13:46.14 | siddy | yes, I'm also getting lots of those. I'm just trying to play with my kernel-config to get rid of those. |
| 13:46.47 | [g2] | siddy, are you using the IXP interface for ethernet ? |
| 13:47.00 | siddy | yes. |
| 13:47.20 | [g2] | do you by chance have a usb-to-ethernet adapter ? |
| 13:48.13 | siddy | no, sorry. I could try to use an usb-wlan-stick, but that thing is not here atm... :-( |
| 13:48.32 | [g2] | that's ok, I was just checking |
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| 13:48.43 | [g2] | I've got one and several other ppl have one |
| 13:48.54 | siddy | so, you think the ixp-driver is to blame for the irq-problems? |
| 13:49.11 | [g2] | well it's polling at 4K times a second |
| 13:49.44 | [g2] | I don't think there's a huge issue there, but there might be a minor race/timing issue somewhere |
| 13:49.54 | [g2] | But that's just *pure specualtion* |
| 13:50.23 | siddy | hm, quite much for the poor little slug... I'm just compiling a preempt-kernel, should give better response-times on irqs, hopefully |
| 13:51.22 | [g2] | I'm interested in seeing the performance difference without those, but it may be similiar or worse than the Intel driver |
| 13:51.38 | jacques | [g2], did you see CSR 1.5 is out? |
| 13:51.44 | [g2] | because it did some processing off chip. |
| 13:51.53 | [g2] | jacques, no I did not! |
| 13:51.55 | [g2] | thx |
| 13:51.59 | jacques | np |
| 13:52.14 | [g2] | are you running 1.5 by chance ? |
| 13:54.28 | VoodooZ_work | morning |
| 13:56.21 | [g2] | perlguru-work, I'm guessing you know that the usbnet issues are resolved now |
| 14:00.58 | perlguru-work | [g2], I read the logs. So, I sort of know the status. But it would be nice if there could be a feature page, with the differences/advantages etc and a migration howto would be nice ;) |
| 14:01.49 | jacques | [g2], I just checked and found CSR 1.5 about 20 minutes ago |
| 14:02.28 | VoodooZ_work | WHat does the change log say? |
| 14:02.31 | perlguru-work | [g2], I am still waiting for the 2nd newsletter ;) |
| 14:04.28 | [g2] | a feature page would be nice along with some advantages/differences |
| 14:05.02 | [g2] | The migration howto will be an area that's left up to the user |
| 14:06.15 | perlguru-work | the question is really: is it just flash openslug image and it runs? or do i have to do more? |
| 14:06.42 | [g2] | rwhitby and I have very similar views on many things, but we differed fundamentally on Linksys compatibility/support |
| 14:07.39 | [g2] | I'm of the opinion that the older toolchains/libs and the linksys setup are a maintenance mine field |
| 14:08.13 | perlguru-work | i would say: if you reflash with linksys firmware, it should work (reconfiguring stuff is ok) |
| 14:08.59 | perlguru-work | openslug: everything goes. away with linksys! |
| 14:09.06 | [g2] | well currently, OpenSlug only provides dropbear and portmap |
| 14:09.35 | rwhitby-away | [g2]: that's why we created Unslung and OpenSlug in the first place :-) |
| 14:10.00 | perlguru-work | i want: openssh, samba, printer stuff cups webserver (thttpd) and some other stuff |
| 14:10.03 | [g2] | rwhitby-away, exactly! this has been from the start |
| 14:10.40 | [g2] | perlguru-work, that's quite possible |
| 14:10.51 | rwhitby-away | We didn't differ - I thought we both agreed that there were multiple camps and neither Unslung or OpenSlug could cover them all ... |
| 14:11.25 | perlguru-work | i think the gap between unslung and openslug is very close now |
| 14:11.42 | [g2] | rwhitby-away, Ok I'll fully concur with that, I"m just saying you have championed Unslung |
| 14:11.43 | perlguru-work | (from user perspective) |
| 14:12.04 | rwhitby-away | [g2]: I have championed both, but only had time to personally drive one .... |
| 14:12.15 | rwhitby-away | perlguru-work: the gap will never close |
| 14:12.22 | rwhitby-away | we don't want it to. |
| 14:12.31 | perlguru-work | i agree, because of the linksys stuff |
| 14:12.41 | rwhitby-away | We don't want to shackle OpenSlug ... |
| 14:14.54 | [g2] | So I think there are 2 probable outcomes for OpenSlug in the next couple months: |
| 14:15.56 | [g2] | 1) beta goes out and it's a big yawn... And winds up like OpenWRT where 97% of the users don't use it, but something like Sveasoft, etc.... |
| 14:16.21 | [g2] | ppl just don't have the time/energy etc... to play with it |
| 14:17.27 | [g2] | 2) when enough ppl have used it and several services or a critical bug or two is fixed, droves migrate to it |
| 14:18.03 | rwhitby-away | [g2]: I think the key to user acceptance is an easily extendible web interface (maybe webmin or something better than that) to configure and admin the box. |
| 14:18.25 | rwhitby-away | (i.e. *not* the Linksys web interface) |
| 14:18.30 | perlguru-work | rwhitby-away: agreed |
| 14:18.46 | perlguru-work | bob_tm was working on webmin |
| 14:19.01 | perlguru-work | depends on perl... |
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| 14:26.02 | [g2] | rwhitby-away, btw did you hear that dyoung successfully booted both unslung and openslug with beewoolie's APEX flashed in block 0 ? |
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| 14:30.36 | rwhitby-away | yep - very nice! |
| 14:33.16 | bob_tm-away | perlguru-work: It does run with miniserv, but is quite slow. Almost got it to work with appWeb, but there are problems with themes just like in Apache. |
| 14:33.49 | bob_tm-away | ....and you must run appweb as root. For some reason "SUID root" on the perl scripts didn't work :-( |
| 14:35.21 | bob_tm-away | ... A major step (in my view) would be when we tidy up /opt/etc/init.d with start/stop/restart and may introduced a run-level or two (one default and one maintenance seems useful to me). |
| 15:05.03 | giel | [g2]: can you give me a ps fax on your openslug? |
| 15:07.32 | [g2] | ps fax ? |
| 15:08.38 | MooZ | ps -fax |
| 15:10.15 | rwhitby-away | I was waiting for [g2] to give out his fax number ... |
| 15:10.40 | [g2] | :) |
| 15:11.03 | rwhitby-away | night all |
| 15:11.07 | giel | # ps fax |
| 15:11.09 | [g2] | sweet dreams |
| 15:11.12 | giel | :) |
| 15:11.16 | ByronT | night rwhitby |
| 15:11.28 | ka6sox-zzzz | rats..missed him |
| 15:11.32 | ka6sox-zzzz | morning ByronT |
| 15:11.41 | ByronT | morning! Tom |
| 15:11.42 | ka6sox-zzzz | rwhitby-away: $100 |
| 15:12.04 | ByronT | <- barely awake, but then the coffee is *taking* |
| 15:12.18 | [g2] | giel, OpenSlug is booting what's the f ? |
| 15:12.42 | ka6sox-zzzz | byront: that means I need more coffee |
| 15:12.51 | rwhitby-away | ka6sox-zzzz: thx |
| 15:13.08 | ka6sox-zzzz | now you really need to -zzzz |
| 15:13.26 | ByronT | ka6sox-zzzz, I'm sucking it down as fast a possible |
| 15:13.32 | giel | [g2]: i want to know what the task 'swapper' is and why it's taking 100% cpu time all the time |
| 15:13.46 | giel | it's a kernel task, but i've never seen it before |
| 15:13.55 | giel | and it's not on my desktop machine, so i suspect something arm specific |
| 15:14.07 | [g2] | nslu2 login: root |
| 15:14.07 | [g2] | root@nslu2:~# ps fax |
| 15:14.07 | [g2] | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.07 | [g2] | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.07 | [g2] | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.07 | [g2] | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.10 | [g2] | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.24 | giel | hm, weird |
| 15:14.26 | [g2] | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.26 | [g2] | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.26 | [g2] | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.26 | [g2] | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.01 | VoodooZ_work | you have kapmd? Isn't that for power management? |
| 15:15.12 | giel | thnx |
| 15:15.56 | CIA-10 | 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/cron/control: Upped version number |
| 15:16.27 | CIA-10 | 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/cron/prerm: Now stopping cron before installing new version |
| 15:16.32 | VoodooZ_work | [g2]: congrats on ironing out the usbnet issue! |
| 15:17.42 | CIA-10 | 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/cron/Makefile.patch: Set paths correctly for cron dir and run dir |
| 15:21.02 | CIA-10 | 03ingeba * 10unslung/make/cron.mk: Added prerm script. Due to bug in toolchain paths.h, using incorrect paths for system utilites, crontab will look for vi in the wrong place - use environment variable EDITOR or VISUAL to override |
| 15:21.15 | jacques | [g2], you have any swap mounted ? |
| 15:23.23 | jacques | I have: 25 root SW [kswapd0] |
| 15:25.30 | [g2] | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.05 | jacques | wow I gotta get this laptop! |
| 15:26.06 | jacques | List Price: $1,999.99 |
| 15:26.07 | jacques | Our Price: $0.00 |
| 15:26.27 | jacques | I think I'll order 10 (don't wanna be too greedy) |
| 15:27.23 | CIA-10 | 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/cups/rc.samba: Fixed spelling error in path to Samba spool directory |
| 15:27.45 | VoodooZ_work | jump on it now! I've seen people get 5000$ trips to jamaica's sandals resort for 500$ because of a typo! |
| 15:27.47 | [g2] | VoodooZ_work, thx, lennert and arm-linux guys are quite sharp, I think I just had the problem narrowed down enough that lennert had great insight into the issue |
| 15:28.19 | VoodooZ_work | Still, you pre-chewed it for them so that's 3/4 of the battle if you ask me. |
| 15:28.37 | VoodooZ_work | Getting started on a problem is tough and most people never follow through with it. |
| 15:28.41 | VoodooZ_work | ~praise [g2] |
| 15:28.44 | jbot | All hail [g2]! |
| 15:28.52 | CIA-10 | 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/cups/control: Added depends and upped version number |
| 15:28.58 | VoodooZ_work | Now fix my |
| 15:29.05 | VoodooZ_work | oops. |
| 15:29.19 | VoodooZ_work | Now fix my hotplug issue! ;) |
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| 15:30.36 | CIA-10 | 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/cups/cups-install.doc: Fixed incorrect init script numbering |
| 15:32.15 | CIA-10 | 03ingeba * 10unslung/make/cups.mk: Made startup scripts executables - added zlib to dependency list and upped version number |
| 15:34.53 | giel | VoodooZ_work: you want quicker bootup times? |
| 15:35.45 | VoodooZ_work | mostly yes. |
| 15:43.04 | giel | VoodooZ_work: quick 'n dirrteh hack: load all the modules you want yourself in a bootup script and skip the hotplug bootup (and shutdown) script |
| 15:43.17 | giel | the hotplug bootup script isn't needed for hotplug functionality |
| 15:43.32 | giel | it's rather for coldplugging, ie. generating hotplug events for devices already present at boot |
| 15:43.58 | giel | it shortened my bootup time by almost 90 seconds |
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| 15:45.08 | VoodooZ_work | nice! |
| 15:45.20 | giel | if you need more info/help, let me know |
| 15:45.30 | VoodooZ_work | [g2] or kergoth already suggested that but I wasn't too sure how to do it. |
| 15:45.44 | VoodooZ_work | UNless you feel like writing a wiki page? :) |
| 15:45.50 | giel | you want a somewhat nice solution, or a really easy and quick one? |
| 15:46.12 | VoodooZ_work | a quick one as I don't have time to implement a nice one. |
| 15:46.15 | giel | ok |
| 15:46.25 | giel | here goes, you make a wiki page of it :P |
| 15:46.37 | VoodooZ_work | What does your script do? a bunch of modprobe? |
| 15:46.43 | giel | uh mostly |
| 15:46.58 | giel | delete S40hotplug from rcS.d |
| 15:46.59 | VoodooZ_work | Would you mind sending me a copy? |
| 15:47.03 | giel | well, i lied |
| 15:47.04 | VoodooZ_work | yep |
| 15:47.08 | giel | i don't have a script |
| 15:47.12 | VoodooZ_work | hehe |
| 15:47.21 | giel | what modules do you use by the way? |
| 15:47.33 | giel | (i load all modules already in linuxrc, as i need my hdd to boot from) |
| 15:47.39 | VoodooZ_work | I have most of my stuff statically compiled to make it faster. |
| 15:47.51 | giel | so basically only the ixp400 and ixp425_eth? |
| 15:48.15 | VoodooZ_work | I don't even use it actually. It's too slow. I use my bluetooth |
| 15:48.22 | VoodooZ_work | and some webcam modules |
| 15:48.25 | giel | ah anyeay |
| 15:48.27 | giel | anyway |
| 15:48.43 | giel | you can make a S39modules script in rcS.d |
| 15:48.46 | giel | and put this in it |
| 15:49.02 | giel | (uhm call it S39modules.sh btw) |
| 15:49.11 | giel | and put all your modprobes in it |
| 15:49.34 | giel | (calling it .sh lets the startup sequence know it's not a start/stop script, but only something which needs to be run) |
| 15:49.38 | VoodooZ_work | just a plain old modprobe ov511 option=xxx for example? |
| 15:49.41 | giel | yep |
| 15:49.48 | giel | just all your manual modprobes in this script |
| 15:49.52 | giel | don't forget to chmod +x irt |
| 15:49.54 | giel | it* |
| 15:49.57 | VoodooZ_work | sends reasonable. |
| 15:50.10 | giel | and delete the symlink to the hotplug script |
| 15:50.13 | VoodooZ_work | But wouldn't not starting the hotplug script break my udev? |
| 15:50.18 | giel | and also in rc0.d and rc6.d |
| 15:50.26 | giel | hm... I don't think so |
| 15:50.35 | giel | but... I'm not sure |
| 15:50.41 | giel | try :) |
| 15:50.43 | VoodooZ_work | ok. |
| 15:51.03 | VoodooZ_work | which file do you edit to have more /dev entries created? |
| 15:51.34 | giel | what do you mean? |
| 15:52.18 | VoodooZ_work | well, if I ditch udev, then I'll need to have a few more /dev/ nodes for my hardware like /dev/video0 /dev/buzzer /dev/leds |
| 15:52.26 | giel | ah |
| 15:52.32 | giel | well, i don't think you'll have to ditch udev |
| 15:52.48 | giel | but i know what file you mean, but i can't look the exact name up now |
| 15:53.03 | giel | look in the makedev script or something |
| 15:53.27 | giel | oh btw, did you have solutions to access the buzzer and leds in openslug? |
| 15:53.46 | VoodooZ_work | cool. I use to know but because I've been using udev for so long I forgot the manual way. |
| 15:54.02 | VoodooZ_work | Well, I don't really need udev anyways. I want to make it as fast as possible so.. |
| 15:54.07 | VoodooZ_work | yep. |
| 15:54.18 | giel | but pbly udev still works without using hotplug startup scripts |
| 15:54.39 | VoodooZ_work | It's already in there. Just need to create the two /dev/ entries and write some code to ioctls them. |
| 15:54.45 | VoodooZ_work | we'll see. |
| 15:54.50 | giel | ah ioctls |
| 15:54.54 | VoodooZ_work | If you want some code examples let me know. |
| 15:55.11 | giel | yeah, good to know you know how :) |
| 15:55.16 | [g2] | VoodooZ_work, can you post that on the wiki for all OpenSlugger's ? |
| 15:55.22 | giel | if i know what ioctls then i'm good |
| 15:55.41 | giel | uhm, yeah, i want to clean stuff a bit up and i'll post some words on hotplug |
| 15:55.45 | [g2] | for the leds and buzzer |
| 15:55.47 | giel | later this week (busy as always) |
| 15:56.29 | VoodooZ_work | Ok. I'll do that. |
| 15:56.34 | [g2] | THX |
| 15:56.40 | VoodooZ_work | Just have to cleanup my act first. |
| 15:57.05 | ByronT | anyway to browse CVS repo via web? |
| 15:57.07 | VoodooZ_work | [g2]: What should I call the entry? |
| 15:57.21 | VoodooZ_work | If it's on sf follow the CVS entry |
| 15:57.48 | ByronT | I'm getting "proxy" errors |
| 15:57.50 | [g2] | UseLedAndBuzzerOnOpenSlug ? |
| 15:58.11 | VoodooZ_work | ok. |
| 15:58.44 | VoodooZ_work | should be easy as my robot's been beeping and flashing LEDS for a f ew months. |
| 15:58.52 | ByronT | and I would a CVS client but sf.net has put me on backburner in terms of resolving my access issue |
| 15:59.21 | VoodooZ_work | There's a Browse CVS link somewhere on that page. |
| 15:59.35 | ByronT | that's the one that dies with a proxy error |
| 15:59.51 | VoodooZ_work | oh. I don't know then. |
| 16:00.21 | ByronT | I'm trying to track down when "map system = yes" was introduced into smb.conf |
| 16:01.29 | VoodooZ_work | no idea. |
| 16:01.42 | VoodooZ_work | I haven't touched smb in quite a while. |
| 16:01.53 | ByronT | it's a bad flag for windows/dos users |
| 16:01.56 | VoodooZ_work | fortunately my robot won't need it :) |
| 16:02.28 | VoodooZ_work | I'm starting to do basic computer vision so it's very interesting. |
| 16:02.31 | ByronT | 2.12 was ok... 3.17 was affected.. but not sure if 3.16 had it |
| 16:02.36 | VoodooZ_work | We'll see how slow the slug really is. |
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| 16:20.47 | VoodooZ_work | that freaking wiki!!! I'm trying to add C code snippets and it won't stop wrapping stuff around. |
| 16:21.16 | giel | ok, i'm closing in on my [swapper] issue... i'm having a mail conversation with the guy who wrote the initrd stuff |
| 16:21.17 | VoodooZ_work | that useless [= thing doesn't work. What's the way to do this again without having to insert spaces on every single line |
| 16:21.31 | giel | which has to do with this, looking at the kernel source |
| 16:21.38 | VoodooZ_work | cool. Make sure to document it. |
| 16:21.59 | giel | When done |
| 16:22.11 | giel | I'll probably change something to switchbox, I guess |
| 16:23.44 | VoodooZ_work | let us know if you make major changes as I'm using openslug in a special context so I might not need everything you guys need. |
| 16:24.34 | giel | uhu |
| 16:29.09 | ByronT | VoodooZ_work, you can use \\ to force wrap |
| 16:31.52 | VoodooZ_work | But for pasting C code i don't want it to wrap. |
| 16:32.15 | VoodooZ_work | all done. Check it at Openslug/UseLedAndBuzzerOnOpenSlug |
| 16:33.08 | ByronT | what's the full URL? |
| 16:33.25 | ByronT | nvm |
| 16:33.49 | giel | thnx! |
| 16:36.06 | VoodooZ_work | http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/UseLedAndBuzzerOnOpenslug |
| 16:39.01 | ByronT | VoodooZ_work, you want to check now? |
| 16:39.30 | VoodooZ_work | yeah. |
| 16:39.34 | VoodooZ_work | What's different? |
| 16:40.00 | ByronT | meaning why does it not wrap? |
| 16:40.35 | VoodooZ_work | sorry, I'm not following you at all here. I was in the middle of something else and lost my focus |
| 16:40.43 | VoodooZ_work | The wiki page is fine now. |
| 16:40.51 | ByronT | heh... |
| 16:58.54 | VoodooZ_work | lunch time... |
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| 18:37.48 | perlguru | I get this bitbaking now: ERROR: The following variable(s) were not set: TARGET_OS |
| 18:38.57 | ByronT | perlguru, check the mailing list, I seem to recall that something was changed |
| 18:39.21 | [g2] | perlguru, you're repo is probably pointing at oe-devl or you have not pulled in a couple days (and you are building OpenSlug) |
| 18:40.46 | perlguru | just pulled. and i am using unslung! |
| 18:41.09 | perlguru | MACHINE = "nslu2" |
| 18:41.09 | perlguru | DISTRO = "unslung" |
| 18:41.09 | perlguru | T |
| 18:41.26 | [g2] | TARGET_OS in unslung.conf iirc |
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| 18:42.22 | [g2] | hmmm |
| 18:42.40 | [g2] | perlguru, two easy fixes |
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| 18:43.32 | [g2] | 1) create a conf/distro under build and copy the unslung.conf there and change the TARGET_OS ?= "linux" or = |
| 18:44.10 | perlguru | (stupid question): why is this not on the wiki page? |
| 18:44.13 | [g2] | bk edit the openembedded/conf/distro/unslung.conf file and change it locally |
| 18:44.30 | perlguru | or the local.conf? |
| 18:44.48 | [g2] | I don't think the local.conf will work anymore |
| 18:45.21 | [g2] | kergoth changed the processing last week / a couple days ago to not default TARGET_ARCH and TARGET_OS |
| 18:45.36 | [g2] | and to print them out as the build process is beginning |
| 18:46.00 | [g2] | this is to help users fix broken builds |
| 18:46.34 | [g2] | I *swear* I checked th other day for unslung.conf and it was fixed |
| 18:46.50 | [g2] | but I though switchbox.conf was broken and it wasn't |
| 18:47.54 | [g2] | perlguru, btw, openssl bulids under OpenSlug and cups almost builds, there are a couple defines that don't seem to be properly handled like |
| 18:48.31 | [g2] | CUPS_SERVERROOT and CUPS_LOCALEDIR, I'm not sure why, but it doens't look that far away |
| 18:48.43 | perlguru | cool |
| 18:48.46 | [g2] | then you could ipkg install both |
| 18:49.09 | perlguru | TARGET_OS ?= "linux" is in my openembedded/conf/distro/unslung.conf |
| 18:49.14 | [g2] | I'm sure there's a little more to it, but that's the advantage of OpenSlug |
| 18:49.30 | perlguru | 1st get bitbake to work again |
| 18:49.42 | [g2] | right, it's the ?= it doesn't like |
| 18:50.40 | [g2] | either bk edit and edit the file and change it to = or copy the file to conf/distro/.... and edit it there and it will be pulled in the BBPATH first |
| 18:51.55 | perlguru | TARGET_OS = "INVALID" |
| 18:52.18 | perlguru | i have now a 'local' unslung.conf in build/conf |
| 18:52.42 | ByronT | ah! cvs browse just popped |
| 18:55.50 | [cc]smart | perlguru: had the same issue and set TARGET_OS = "linux" in conf/local.conf |
| 18:57.36 | [g2] | ash-2.05b$ bk changes | more |
| 18:57.36 | [g2] | ChangeSet@1.3018.2.176, 2005-02-12 15:51:51+01:00, mickeyl@allanon.vanille.de |
| 18:57.36 | [g2] | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.39 | perlguru | THAT worked! thanx [g2] and [cc]smart |
| 18:58.17 | perlguru | next problem: NOTE: package ipkg-native-0.99.140-r0: task do_compile: failed |
| 18:58.28 | perlguru | | all_read.c:45: error: conflicting types for 'full_read' |
| 18:58.28 | perlguru | | libbb.h:119: error: previous declaration of 'full_read' was here |
| 19:02.50 | [g2] | perlguru, where are you pulling from ? |
| 19:03.53 | perlguru | Parent repository is bk://nslu2-linux.bkbits.net/openembedded |
| 19:05.43 | [g2] | I thought we pulled hourly, but it might be daily or every couple hours |
| 19:05.56 | perlguru | I get this a few days now |
| 19:05.57 | [cc]smart | aaah, just wanted to pull to but forgot to change user before, so i interrupted pull right after start. now i get: Entire repository is locked by: RESYNC directory. |
| 19:06.15 | [cc]smart | and cannot pull again |
| 19:08.01 | perlguru | i deleted the tmp dir. and trying again |
| 19:10.59 | [cc]smart | bk abort did it |
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| 19:17.33 | NSLU2-IRC | hello everybody |
| 20:14.54 | perlguru | mmmm, still getting: | all_read.c:45: error: conflicting types for 'full_read' |
| 20:14.54 | perlguru | | libbb.h:119: error: previous declaration of 'full_read' was here |
| 20:14.54 | perlguru | | make[2]: *** [libbb_la-all_read.lo] Error 1 |
| 20:18.43 | [g2] | perlguru, openslug with uclibc built for me |
| 20:25.46 | perlguru | i am building unslung with glibc. |
| 20:28.54 | perlguru | and i deleted the tmp dir before the bitbake |
| 20:29.15 | perlguru | so, it is a clean build |
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| 21:31.41 | siddy | [g2], ping |
| 21:31.48 | [g2] | siddy, pong |
| 21:33.16 | siddy | I think I had a little success with my preemptible kernel. At least openslug doesn't crash anymore on high network/cpu-loads. |
| 21:34.03 | siddy | the only remaining problems seems to be that from time to time the slug hangs for exactly 32 seconds. |
| 21:37.41 | VoodooZ_log | good |
| 21:37.48 | VoodooZ_log | What's the CONFIG_ option for that? |
| 21:37.50 | [g2] | siddy, great! |
| 21:37.58 | [g2] | nod, and you post the config to the wiki ? |
| 21:38.03 | VoodooZ_log | yep |
| 21:38.15 | VoodooZ_log | that would be great. |
| 21:38.21 | [g2] | actually just a diff from our default config would be great |
| 21:38.38 | VoodooZ_log | [g2]: btw, I posted the UseLedAndBuzzerOnOpenslug wiki page you wanted. |
| 21:39.03 | [g2] | VoodooZ_log, thx, I read that earlier |
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| 21:39.28 | siddy | oh, the my config-diff would be quite big I guess... I put lots of stuff into the kernel to make openslug boot from my cardreader... |
| 21:39.57 | siddy | but enabling CONFIG_PREEMPT should be all. |
| 21:40.05 | [g2] | VoodooZ_log, I was going to change the default on the Ready/Status to red on loading the driver and green at the end of the sysvinit |
| 21:40.58 | siddy | did anybody ever try kernel-profiling on openslug? I need some way to find that funny 32-second-breaks. |
| 21:41.18 | VoodooZ_log | Sounds like a good idea. |
| 21:41.22 | jacques | siddy, any info on the hangs? |
| 21:41.33 | jacques | does it only happen when doing X ? |
| 21:41.40 | VoodooZ_log | Do you have the CSR stuff loaded? It's slow as hell. |
| 21:41.41 | [g2] | I second jacques question ? |
| 21:42.35 | jacques | CSR 1.5 solves all the world's problems |
| 21:42.45 | siddy | jacques, all I know up to now is that when both network- and cpu-load are high (i.e. when running ctorrent), the network stops working for 32 seconds. |
| 21:42.52 | VoodooZ_log | really? that would be about time! |
| 21:42.54 | jacques | well that's what I'll tell ppl until I trick someone into integrating it to find out |
| 21:43.12 | jacques | :-D |
| 21:43.17 | VoodooZ_log | hehehe |
| 21:43.45 | [g2] | siddy, SpanKY was having issues under heavy disk I/O load |
| 21:44.40 | siddy | [g2], I see those irq26-errors in syslog under heavy I/O, but they do not correlate with the network-outages. |
| 21:45.11 | [g2] | siddy, did they go away with the preempt patch ? |
| 21:45.17 | siddy | no. |
| 21:45.24 | jacques | SpanKY was having the irq26 thing |
| 21:45.35 | [g2] | jacques, nod, under heavy disk utilization |
| 21:45.38 | noud | did you try some elevator too ? like deadline |
| 21:45.45 | [g2] | (attempting to get gentoo built) |
| 21:45.51 | jacques | noud, how's that configured again? |
| 21:46.19 | siddy | noud, no haven't tried any non-default io-schedulers yet. |
| 21:46.20 | jacques | [g2], I have those irq26 things when compiling on openslug too, but I never really noticed them causing pauses |
| 21:46.24 | [g2] | how's what configured ? Gentoo is just like a big OE |
| 21:46.40 | jacques | how's elevator configured |
| 21:46.49 | jacques | was directed at noud |
| 21:46.52 | [g2] | Oops... |
| 21:46.55 | jacques | :-) |
| 21:47.19 | jacques | I have run gentoo for a couple of years and demo'd it running on my ipaq at LWE/SF2003 |
| 21:47.30 | jacques | at the Zynot booth |
| 21:47.37 | jacques | that was a fun show |
| 21:47.49 | [g2] | the end of an era :) |
| 21:48.24 | noud | jacques: i wonder if you can select those schedulers in 1.4.x kernels |
| 21:48.33 | noud | 2.4.x too |
| 21:48.53 | jacques | noud, well we're mostly discussing openslug right now which is 2.6.9 |
| 21:49.09 | noud | in 2.6 in menuconfig it is in General setup -> Configure standard kernel features (for small systems) |
| 21:49.11 | [g2] | jacques, you're running the glibc Openslug of recent vintage correct ? |
| 21:49.29 | [g2] | with the trap alignment fixes in it |
| 21:49.31 | jacques | [g2], glibc yes, but my openslug uptime is about 66 days :-) |
| 21:50.13 | [g2] | siddy do you have the trap_alignment fixes ? |
| 21:50.29 | [g2] | jacques, can you cat /proc/cpu/alignment ? |
| 21:50.30 | VoodooZ_log | anybody know where I force a specific version/path of python in bitbake? |
| 21:50.50 | jacques | [g2], what do you want to know from there? |
| 21:51.10 | [g2] | How many errrors are there |
| 21:51.18 | siddy | [g2], yes I'm running a fresh bk-pull |
| 21:51.19 | [g2] | at least 6 halfword |
| 21:51.25 | [g2] | siddy, thx |
| 21:51.29 | jacques | ah OK bear in mind this is with a 66 day uptime compiling tons of stuff natively: |
| 21:51.45 | jacques | User: 12 |
| 21:51.45 | jacques | System: 6 |
| 21:51.45 | jacques | Skipped: 0 |
| 21:51.45 | jacques | Half: 6 |
| 21:51.45 | jacques | Word: 4 |
| 21:51.46 | jacques | Multi: 0 |
| 21:51.48 | jacques | User faults: 2 (fixup) |
| 21:51.52 | jacques | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.22 | jacques | I only set it to fixup a couple of days ago when I was helping lennert test |
| 21:52.36 | jacques | I meant to change it back to 0 |
| 21:52.58 | [g2] | ok, so the faults are isolated to boot up :) |
| 21:54.18 | [g2] | thx |
| 21:54.30 | jacques | np, catting stuff is easy :-) |
| 21:55.07 | VoodooZ_log | later... |
| 22:04.04 | ByronT | .msg NickServ IDENTIFY may1970 |
| 22:04.11 | ByronT | ah great |
| 22:04.17 | ByronT | :) |
| 22:07.12 | jacques | d`oh |
| 22:07.19 | ByronT | :) |
| 22:07.30 | ByronT | it's been changed... |
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| 22:13.46 | copperbeech | anyone live at the moment? |
| 22:14.02 | ByronT | only slightly |
| 22:14.02 | ByronT | one sec though |
| 22:14.22 | ByronT | ANY LOGGERS PLEASE REMOVE MY .msg line above, Thank You |
| 22:14.54 | copperbeech | I've got a question... I've just changed the port that the web front end it located on... |
| 22:14.58 | ByronT | the period and / are too close to each other when you're touch typing |
| 22:15.16 | copperbeech | and I seem to be locked out... username:admin password:****** |
| 22:15.41 | copperbeech | 1) is my memory correct in the username being admin |
| 22:15.59 | ByronT | you mean the linksys web interface? |
| 22:16.13 | copperbeech | 2) how do I change the password? Can I change it by resetting the /etc/passwd for admin? |
| 22:16.20 | copperbeech | yes it's the web interface. |
| 22:16.33 | ByronT | web interface is admin/admin |
| 22:16.47 | ByronT | don't know that I've ever changed it though |
| 22:17.10 | ByronT | and as such, I don't think that it is in the /etc/passwd location |
| 22:18.30 | copperbeech | hmmmm is there any reason it should change when I change the port that the linksys web interface is located? |
| 22:18.55 | copperbeech | *** seems like the default pair works.. thx!! |
| 22:33.55 | giel | there there |
| 22:34.10 | giel | ok, i think i've figured out the hotplug 'bug' |
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| 23:27.45 | goodnewscd | is cvs.sf.net working? |
| 23:34.21 | goodnewscd | #asterisk |
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| 23:54.30 | [g2] | glikely, welcome to nslu2-linux :) |
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| 23:56.55 | [g2] | glikely, it's a great community here |
| 23:57.05 | [g2] | ~nslu2 |
| 23:57.06 | jbot | methinks nslu2 is a Linksys network storage device. It runs linux and features an ixp4xx processor, and is hackable. See http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?grid=35&scid=43&prid=640, http://www.nslu2-linux.org/ |
| 23:57.17 | [g2] | ~nslu2-wiki |
| 23:57.18 | jbot | rumour has it, nslu2-wiki is the short-hand way of saying "Have a look at the NSLU2-Linux Wiki at http://www.nslu2-linux.org/". |
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