irclog2html for #nslu2-linux on 20050213

`00:00.34`	`siddy`	`I still have some prblems with a strange-looking /dev, but everything else looks pretty... :-D`
`00:00.39`	`giel`	`if i exec /sbin/init -i it works`
`00:00.48`	`giel`	`if i add a chroot before that it doesn't work`
`00:00.50`	`giel`	`dunno why`
`00:01.09`	`giel`	`and still don't know why my linuxrc isn't pid 1, it seems to be a known problem`
`00:01.21`	`siddy`	`hm... I'm using old switchbox 3.9 without such problems. I just changed the mount-command and that's it.`
`00:01.27`	`giel`	`oh yeah`
`00:01.31`	`giel`	`that's the old method`
`00:01.36`	`giel`	`no pivot_rooting`
`00:02.13`	`giel`	`you changed only the mount command?`
`00:02.15`	`siddy`	`hm... any disadvantages of that method?`
`00:02.30`	`siddy`	`and the kernel to support the usb-storage-devices`
`00:02.31`	`giel`	`i think you have to change something with real root dev too`
`00:02.40`	`giel`	`which mount command did you change?`
`00:03.22`	`siddy`	`in linuxrc I changed the mount /dev/mtdblock?? to mount /dev/sde1.`
`00:03.44`	`giel`	`uhm`
`00:03.54`	`giel`	`i don;t think you have it working the way you want it atm`
`00:04.04`	`siddy`	`I also changed that real-root-dev-thing.`
`00:04.06`	`giel`	`oh ok`
`00:04.07`	`giel`	`:)`
`00:04.18`	`giel`	`and fstab i suppose?`
`00:04.57`	`siddy`	`hm, forgot that one... ;)`
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`00:18.35`	`dyoung`	`[g2] around?`
`00:32.30`	`CIA-1`	`03garpinc * 10unslung/ (4 files in 3 dirs):`
`00:32.30`	`CIA-1`	`Gift Ares team addressed issue that caused gift to crash. Also changed`
`00:32.30`	`CIA-1`	`ares and opennap to check out from CVS with date`
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`01:19.42`	`CIA-1`	`03ptweety * 10unslung/ (4 files in 2 dirs): sasl commands renamed`
`01:24.28`	`CIA-1`	`03ptweety * 10unslung/ (6 files in 2 dirs): initial check in. Not ready yet but you can preview the package.`
`01:27.49`	`pTweety`	`I've already managed to create mailboxes in cyrus-imap and am able to use them from my imap client.`
`01:28.04`	`pTweety`	`But I think that some more tests are needed ;-)`
`01:28.45`	`pTweety`	`It would be great if someone wants to help me testing the package`
`01:31.22`	`pTweety`	`night`
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`02:05.37`	`dyoung`	`[g2] around?`
`02:06.30`	`dyoung`	`AHA`
`02:06.34`	`dyoung`	`nvm, found my problem.`
`02:10.32`	`dyoung`	`This is cool.`
`02:11.00`	`[g2]`	`dyoung, what's cool ?`
`02:11.29`	`dyoung`	`I can boot openslug or unslung with apex.`
`02:12.21`	`dyoung`	`My immediate issue is it drops into switchbox and cant/doesnt know how to get to the jffs2.`
`02:12.39`	`dyoung`	`and we need to work on enabling the ethernet on apex startup.`
`02:12.53`	`dyoung`	`(thats for openslug)`
`02:13.15`	`dyoung`	`it boots unslung flawlessly, except for maybe the ethernet.`
`02:13.39`	`[g2]`	`dyoung, THAT's awesome !`
`02:14.10`	`dyoung`	`I discovered the cmdline is passed from apex.`
`02:14.27`	`dyoung`	`makes life easier.`
`02:14.32`	`[g2]`	`AHH, a real-boot loader :)`
`02:15.01`	`[g2]`	`That's excellent`
`02:15.12`	`dyoung`	`So thats pretty much where things are at now.`
`02:15.23`	`[g2]`	`wonderful!`
`02:15.39`	`dyoung`	`I ended up having to pay the 40min penalty once to get openslug back in there.`
`02:16.03`	`[g2]`	`beewoolie's been a great addition and you're always a great help`
`02:16.30`	`[g2]`	`there's alot to be said for clean small designs`
`02:16.47`	`dyoung`	`last night he restructured the way the config works.`
`02:16.57`	`dyoung`	`so now the memory configs are in a config file`
`02:17.14`	`dyoung`	`it'll make fatslug customization take like 20 seconds.`
`02:17.22`	`[g2]`	`that's the second block right ?`
`02:17.38`	`dyoung`	`I meant at boottime`
`02:17.40`	`dyoung`	`oop`
`02:17.43`	`dyoung`	`compile time rather.`
`02:17.59`	`dyoung`	`we didnt get as far as config block yet. ;-)`
`02:18.08`	`[g2]`	`nod.`
`02:18.24`	`[g2]`	`I'm not complaining, just wondering out loud`
`02:19.18`	`[g2]`	`For openslug I'm thinking that with APEX we could have two full kernels and rootfs in the box.`
`02:19.25`	`dyoung`	`Yeah, bewoolie's great!`
`02:19.45`	`[g2]`	`and the first kernel/rootfs would be the failsafe one`
`02:19.59`	`dyoung`	`openslug kernel is supposed to know about jffs2 right?`
`02:20.00`	`[g2]`	`The second would be the user kernel/ rootfs`
`02:20.14`	`[g2]`	`Openslug knows jffs2`
`02:20.17`	`dyoung`	`do you know the cmdline option offhand to tell it that the rootfs is a jffs2?`
`02:20.31`	`dyoung`	`like root=/dev/mtdblock4 fstype blahblah ???`
`02:20.47`	`[g2]`	`I think we pass multiple fstypes ext2,....`
`02:21.04`	`dyoung`	`Right, but I need to be explicit for this test.`
`02:21.19`	`dyoung`	`its trying to mount my jffs2 as a ext2.`
`02:21.39`	`[g2]`	`Kernel command line: root=/dev/slug rootfstype=ext2,jffs2 initrd=0x01000000,10M mem=32M@0x00000000 console=ttyS0,115200n8`
`02:21.49`	`dyoung`	`Aha.`
`02:21.51`	`dyoung`	`okay`
`02:21.59`	`dyoung`	`see apex is passing something else. Its...`
`02:22.20`	`dyoung`	`cmdline *= console=ttyS0,115200 root=/dev/ram0 initrd=0x01000000,10m`
`02:22.51`	`[g2]`	`hmmm, no memory size :)`
`02:23.12`	`[g2]`	`I guess there kernel sets everything up :)`
`02:23.14`	`dyoung`	`Woo hoo!`
`02:23.36`	`dyoung`	`I pasted that (your) command line in, and it works!`
`02:23.59`	`[g2]`	`openslug ?`
`02:24.04`	`dyoung`	`yah!`
`02:24.31`	`[g2]`	`So you're booting OpenSlug directly from APEX correct ?`
`02:24.33`	`dyoung`	`no ethernet though; because we didnt get around to turning it on.`
`02:24.34`	`dyoung`	`Yes`
`02:24.50`	`dyoung`	`I flashed it in there.`
`02:25.17`	`[g2]`	`Looks like dyoung should start a new database on the yahoo group ! :)`
`02:25.40`	`dyoung`	`of..? Non-redboot-booted-openslugger or something?`
`02:25.58`	`[g2]`	`non-redboot bootloaders`
`02:26.17`	`dyoung`	`heh`
`02:26.36`	`dyoung`	`Its not for the faint of heart.`
`02:26.37`	`[g2]`	`You know with APEX and the usbnet fixes we can build static kernels that boot NON-IXP ethernet :)`
`02:26.44`	`dyoung`	`nod`
`02:27.54`	`[g2]`	`I'm really warming up to the thought of two complete kernel and rootfs, maybe in their own partitions or not.`
`02:28.24`	`[g2]`	`Certainly, APEX, and kernel+postpended initrd ext2 as the failsafe`
`02:28.34`	`dyoung`	`I like the idea of pushing the button a certain way to get to a rescue kernel`
`02:28.47`	`dyoung`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:28.51`	`[g2]`	`That's what that kernel/rootfs would be`
`02:29.07`	`[g2]`	`All in one contiguous partition`
`02:29.31`	`dyoung`	`so whats the proposal for the boot sequence for when you dont push the button, ie: normal boot?`
`02:29.57`	`[g2]`	`It'd also like to see APEX learn jffs2 and then the next partition would be the normal JFFS2 partition with the kernel inside`
`02:30.12`	`[g2]`	`nod. normal boot to the second partition`
`02:31.01`	`[g2]`	`I'd actually like to put a watchdog of sorts in the "normal" partition`
`02:31.19`	`[g2]`	`although that might be stretching it too far`
`02:31.44`	`[g2]`	`but maybe not.`
`02:31.53`	`dyoung`	`to watch what?`
`02:32.11`	`dyoung`	`and if trigged do what?`
`02:32.24`	`[g2]`	`We'll at the end of init or maybe later, it would signal the dog`
`02:32.41`	`dyoung`	`arf arf`
`02:32.52`	`[g2]`	`probably kennel the dog until the next boot`
`02:33.17`	`dyoung`	`so basically if it doesnt finish a sucessful boot, do something differnt.`
`02:33.34`	`[g2]`	`that way if you botch the normal kernel/init, the dog bites and on the warm reboot the failsafe is automatically loaded`
`02:33.42`	`[g2]`	`nod.`
`02:34.45`	`dyoung`	`if apex knows jffs2 doing this via flagfile wouldnt be too much...`
`02:34.48`	`[g2]`	`Obviously will either need a VERY long (10 minutes) timeout or need to speed up init a bunch (or both)`
`02:35.06`	`[g2]`	`Oh yeah.`
`02:35.29`	`dyoung`	`Are you jtag enabled?`
`02:35.38`	`[g2]`	`not yet.`
`02:36.02`	`[g2]`	`I don't know when/if ka6sox has shipped back the FatSlug yet`
`02:36.24`	`[g2]`	`He was going to send it many days ago but I haven't received it or heard from him`
`02:36.44`	`[g2]`	`Maybe Monday :)`
`02:37.17`	`[g2]`	`So the three things to teach APEX are: 1) listen to the reset button during the boot,`
`02:37.32`	`[g2]`	`2) usb support to allow usb-serial consoles`
`02:37.36`	`[g2]`	`3) jffs2`
`02:38.09`	`[g2]`	`and maybe 4) simple partition searching to find the next partitions after the failsafe partition`
`02:39.06`	`dyoung`	`theres a 0 there too.`
`02:39.17`	`dyoung`	`customizable config information would be nice.`
`02:39.30`	`[g2]`	`well that's already in the plans`
`02:39.34`	`dyoung`	`Right.`
`02:40.02`	`[g2]`	`I think beewoolie was planning on using block 2 (one relative) for the APEX config`
`02:40.19`	`[g2]`	`and leave block 3 (one relative) as the sysconf block`
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`02:47.26`	`dyoung`	`I just sent you/bewoolie the bootlog and diagnostic.`
`02:48.01`	`[g2]`	`cool`
`02:48.10`	`dyoung`	`I forgot to put back my sysconf earlier so anything related to that will be incorrect.`
`02:51.02`	`[g2]`	`dyoung, so APEX isn't in there right now is it ?`
`02:51.11`	`dyoung`	`in where?`
`02:51.15`	`[g2]`	`FLASH`
`02:51.18`	`dyoung`	`it is`
`02:51.29`	`[g2]`	`can you try a quick test for me ?`
`02:51.31`	`dyoung`	`I dont have redboot anymore, thats why I dont have ethernet right now.`
`02:51.40`	`dyoung`	`sure.`
`02:52.48`	`[g2]`	`boot root=/dev/mtdblock4 rootfstype=jffs2 mem=32M@0x00000000 console=ttyS0,115200n8`
`02:54.02`	`dyoung`	`thats actually why I was looking the option a bit earlier. trying now`
`02:54.26`	`[g2]`	`thx`
`02:54.27`	`dyoung`	`VFS: Mounted root (jffs2 filesystem).`
`02:54.30`	`dyoung`	`works.`
`02:54.34`	`[g2]`	`I thought it would`
`02:54.45`	`dyoung`	`I had to reason to think it wouldnt.`
`02:55.07`	`dyoung`	`had no reason.....`
`02:55.13`	`[g2]`	`ah..`
`02:56.12`	`[g2]`	`If we keep the kernel separate (for the User kernel) then APEX wouldn't need to learn jffs2 yet`
`02:56.29`	`dyoung`	`unless we want it to read a flag file in the jffs2`
`02:56.50`	`[g2]`	`no need to read a flag file when it's got a 128K config block`
`02:57.02`	`[g2]`	`everyone shares the config block`
`02:57.19`	`[g2]`	`and the failsafe kernel can boot without config`
`02:57.35`	`[g2]`	`or has rudundant config`
`03:07.00`	`[g2]`	`dyoung your ethernet should be up`
`03:07.29`	`[g2]`	`dyoung do you know what this marks ?`
`03:07.44`	`[g2]`	`besides a full replacment of all the firmware`
`03:08.00`	`dyoung`	`MY Ethernet never comes up.`
`03:08.02`	`[g2]`	`(if you use a usb-net adapter)`
`03:08.10`	`dyoung`	`the chip is disabled because it never got enabled.`
`03:08.12`	`dyoung`	`oh.`
`03:08.17`	`[g2]`	`dyoung, are you in OpenSlug`
`03:08.26`	`dyoung`	`yes, if I plug in my pegasus it should work fine.`
`03:08.42`	`dyoung`	`Yeah, I'm at the openslug console now`
`03:08.46`	`[g2]`	`nod. on the pegasus`
`03:09.07`	`[g2]`	`cat /etc/init.d/sysconfigsetup`
`03:09.19`	`dyoung`	`I should be more specific. The internal IXP Ethernet never gets turned on.`
`03:09.55`	`dyoung`	`That wont work for me right now.`
`03:10.01`	`[g2]`	`I knew what you meant, and its a great call. Something that happens in Redboot but not in APEX yet`
`03:10.20`	`dyoung`	`because I blew away my sysconf last night.`
`03:10.26`	`dyoung`	`I have it; but I cant get to it easily.`
`03:10.33`	`[g2]`	`don't need it`
`03:10.43`	`[g2]`	`is the ixp425_eth module installed`
`03:10.52`	`dyoung`	`or rather, I'm too l azy to figure out how to wedge it in using apex. ;-)`
`03:11.01`	`dyoung`	`lsmod tells me it is`
`03:11.13`	`[g2]`	`ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.1 up`
`03:11.55`	`dyoung`	`well, no.`
`03:12.01`	`[g2]`	`no woot ?`
`03:12.02`	`dyoung`	`because my ethernet still isnt enabled. ;-)`
`03:12.11`	`dyoung`	`The LED is off and all.`
`03:12.22`	`[g2]`	`is it plugged in`
`03:12.27`	`dyoung`	`openslug THINKS its up.`
`03:12.36`	`dyoung`	`of course its plugged in.`
`03:12.44`	`[g2]`	`mine's not :)`
`03:14.33`	`[g2]`	`so Redboot really does enable the hw for the ixp`
`03:14.42`	`[g2]`	`and the kernel doesn't`
`03:14.46`	`[g2]`	`or the modules`
`03:14.49`	`dyoung`	`Yes`
`03:15.03`	`dyoung`	`I knew this because the LED never comes on.`
`03:21.20`	`dyoung`	`btw, what does this mean other than being a complete replacement of all the firmware bits?`
`03:40.25`	`[g2]`	`complete replacement in < 6 months :)`
`03:43.44`	`dyoung`	`Woo.`
`03:43.52`	`dyoung`	`is that faster than expected?`
`03:46.12`	`[g2]`	`I think it's just a neat observation.`
`03:46.32`	`[g2]`	`I mean most of this stuff is all mind candy`
`03:47.00`	`[g2]`	`our version of the "New York Times Crossword Puzzle"`
`03:49.19`	`ka6sox-away`	`I had over 100 inquires about the Slug, and over 1/2 of them were interested in OpenSlug.`
`03:50.28`	`[g2]`	`where are the inquires comming from ?`
`03:50.44`	`ka6sox-away`	`http://www.socallinuxexpo.com/`
`03:51.06`	`[g2]`	`I saw the expo stuff, did you talk about the slug ?`
`03:52.16`	`ka6sox-away`	`yes`
`03:52.30`	`ka6sox-away`	`I had people bringing their friends over to ask about it.`
`03:52.39`	`[g2]`	`excellent!`
`03:53.44`	`ka6sox-away`	`somebody from Tom's Guides was there.`
`03:54.01`	`[g2]`	`Tom's Networking ?`
`03:54.10`	`ka6sox-away`	`yes`
`03:54.31`	`[g2]`	`that's awesome`
`03:55.03`	`ka6sox-away`	`he has some recording equiptment and come over but wasn't able to get up to the front....got dragged away by some of the organizers...`
`03:56.30`	`dyoung`	`the time scale is pretty compressed. 6mo isnt bad for "entertainment" project.`
`03:56.50`	`ka6sox-away`	`are all the pieces in place now?`
`03:59.53`	`[g2]`	`ka6sox-away, umm what do you mean ?`
`04:01.16`	`ka6sox-away`	`I guess I misunderstood what you were saying earlier.`
`04:02.21`	`[g2]`	`I'm unsure what you meant by all the pieces for what ?`
`04:02.40`	`ka6sox-away`	`complete replacement in under 6 months`
`04:04.16`	`[g2]`	`yes the pieces are pretty much in place`
`04:04.39`	`ka6sox-away`	`wonderful`
`04:04.52`	`[g2]`	`APEX is going to need a little work, but dyoung booted unslung and openslug from a flashed APEX`
`04:05.03`	`ka6sox-away`	`did you guys come up with the spec for the build machine?`
`04:08.32`	`[g2]`	`they were talking about late last night iirc, things looked pretty good`
`04:09.07`	`ka6sox-away`	`okay time for some Vittles.`
`04:11.32`	`[g2]`	`cool.`
`04:11.36`	`[g2]`	`enjoy`
`04:11.43`	`[g2]`	`time for some sleep :)`
`04:13.47`	`dyoung`	`nighty`
`04:13.50`	`ka6sox-away`	`nite [g2]`
`04:13.51`	`dyoung`	`time for din. ;-)`
`04:14.00`	`[g2]`	`dyoung, congrats !`
`04:14.13`	`ka6sox-away`	`okay It'll work out...dyoung can you easily give me the specs?`
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`04:20.50`	`dyoung`	`spec?`
`04:21.06`	`dyoung`	`oh the computer spec.`
`04:21.57`	`dyoung`	`<rwhitby-800bucks>http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=56-101-455&depa=0`
`04:21.57`	`dyoung`	`<rwhitby-800bucks>http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=20-145-450&DEPA=1`
`04:21.57`	`dyoung`	`<rwhitby-800bucks>http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=22-148-025&depa=1 * 2`
`04:22.12`	`dyoung`	`<jacques>http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-390&depa=0`
`04:22.13`	`dyoung`	`<jacques>http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-391&depa=0`
`04:22.13`	`dyoung`	`<jacques>the two procs`
`04:22.22`	`dyoung`	`that was the latest I think...`
`04:23.00`	`ka6sox-away`	`I would like to have Crucial RAM...its the most reliable.`
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`05:58.32`	`Ksilebo`	`~jbot`
`05:58.33`	`jbot`	`jbot is, like, the shipboard computer, but you may call me eddie if it helps you relax`
`05:58.52`	`Ksilebo`	`What's jbot again?`
`05:58.58`	`Ksilebo`	`What script that is.`
`05:59.51`	`ka6sox-away`	`blootbot`
`06:00.02`	`Ksilebo`	`Got it, thanks :)`
`06:00.45`	`ka6sox-away`	`np`
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`06:07.12`	`jp30`	`I'm trying to get unslung's openssh to forward X11. it gets as far as setting DISPLAY=localhost:10, but doesn't seem to be listening on port 6010. any advice?`
`06:47.35`	`jp30`	`more progress on openssh... it is listening. the problem is domain name resolution. "localhost" doesn't resolve to 127.0.0.1 as it should, in spite of there being a listing for it in the hosts file. e.g. "telnet localhost" results in "localhost: Unknown host". odd.`
`06:57.42`	`CIA-1`	`03jp30 * 10unslung/ (make/openssh.mk sources/openssh/control): configure openssh to look for xauth in /opt/bin, rather than wherever it was on the cross-compilation host`
`07:23.12`	`CIA-1`	`03jp30 * 10unslung/ (make/x11.mk sources/x11/postinst): x11: insist on automake 1.9 at build time; ensure that there is an /etc/nsswitch.conf after installation. this latter is needed so that DISPLAY=localhost:0 can work`
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`08:40.45`	`clueless`	`ghgh`
`09:30.48`	`garpinc`	`Hi rwhitby-away`
`09:30.51`	`garpinc`	`u there?`
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`09:37.25`	`pTweety`	`morning`
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`10:03.56`	`rwhitby-away`	`garpinc: I'm around ...`
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`10:59.56`	`CIA-1`	`03rwhitby * 10unslung/make/libjpeg.mk: Fixed the staging man directory.`
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`11:35.03`	`fontenot`	`jbot: test`
`11:35.05`	`jbot`	`Passed`
`11:35.40`	`rwhitby-away`	`~botsnack`
`11:35.40`	`jbot`	`aw, gee, rwhitby-away`
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`12:07.20`	`gcosendai`	`hello`
`12:11.01`	`giel`	`ok i can boot from hdd now`
`12:11.08`	`giel`	`and i succeeded one time`
`12:11.17`	`giel`	`but now it seems to boot but dropbear won't come up`
`12:11.32`	`giel`	`oh, now it does`
`12:11.35`	`giel`	`hm, flakey`
`12:12.31`	`siddy`	`giel, I had the same slow-dropbear-startup-problem. reason was a readonly-root, causing dropbear to re-create the keys at each startup.`
`12:14.22`	`giel`	`ah ok`
`12:14.37`	`giel`	`i do mount the root filesystem rw in my linuxrc, for testing purposes`
`12:14.57`	`giel`	`maybe if i mount it ro in linuxrc it doesn't get remounted rw`
`12:15.09`	`giel`	`thanks, that might be it`
`12:15.30`	`siddy`	`np`
`12:19.25`	`CIA-1`	`03djf * 10unslung/sources/weechat/control: initial checkin`
`12:19.59`	`CIA-1`	`03djf * 10unslung/make/weechat.mk: initial checkin - builds and packages native`
`12:26.50`	`giel`	`okay, after booting up after pivot_rooting, it's adviceable to unmount initrd and freeramdisk /dev/ram0`
`12:36.12`	`giel`	`hm, anybody knows anything about making gcc run with -mcpu=xscale in OE?`
`12:36.21`	`giel`	`i mean, where do i set those options?`
`12:50.06`	`giel`	`and why is swapper taking all my cpu time? what is swapper anyway?`
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`13:09.15`	`[cc]smart`	`somebody knows a working source for upslug ?`
`13:09.55`	`[cc]smart`	`accessability opf sourcecode that is`
`13:11.41`	`rwhitby-away`	`unslung CVS repository, module is upslug`
`13:14.14`	`[cc]smart`	`thx`
`13:18.38`	`rwhitby-away`	`I've updated http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Main/UpSlug`
`13:28.36`	`[cc]smart`	`nice, openslug has made good progress since my last update :)`
`13:39.37`	`[cc]smart`	`how can i vote for the PL2303 driver to be included in the usbserial ipkg ?`
`13:50.48`	`[cc]smart`	`i remember there was a discussion about kernel and endianness`
`13:51.02`	`[cc]smart`	`is that something that could manifet in userspace ?`
`13:51.38`	`[cc]smart`	`cause i have an app here that behaves like it could have such problems, failing to to succeed with its network protocol`
`14:10.12`	`[cc]smart`	`"failing to succeed" .... sometimes im writing complete numb stuff ....`
`14:21.19`	`CIA-1`	`03ptweety * 10unslung/ (4 files in 2 dirs): split into 3 packages: base, doc, devel`
`14:54.53`	`giel`	`and why doesn't my rootfs get remounted rw`
`14:59.10`	`siddy`	`giel, good question, I also didn't figure that out. I ended up adding a remount somewhere in mountall.sh`
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`15:34.54`	`giel`	`siddy: i've fixed it`
`15:35.29`	`siddy`	`ah, cool. where was the bug?`
`15:35.50`	`giel`	`well, it's not a bug as so as the bb implementation of sh i guess`
`15:35.55`	`giel`	`not really sure`
`15:36.11`	`giel`	`but edit /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh and remove the two "exec" lines`
`15:36.26`	`giel`	`and change the done of the first while loop in "done < /etc/fstab:`
`15:36.28`	`giel`	`:="`
`15:36.36`	`giel`	`more info here http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/faq/part3/section-8.html`
`15:36.50`	`siddy`	`k, thx!`
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`16:26.46`	`CIA-1`	`03kin-kwok * 10unslung/ (make/samba.mk sources/samba/control): fix slugbug# 92 add depends`
`16:29.11`	`PeterRoubos`	`I am a total newbee, where can I go if I have questions about a certain package that I am trying to get to run on my NLSU?`
`16:29.19`	`garpinc`	`rwhitby-away hi...`
`16:29.56`	`garpinc`	`Oh ur sleeping now..`
`16:33.41`	`garpinc`	`PeterRoubos which certain package?`
`16:34.12`	`PeterRoubos`	`Garpinc giFT, it doesnt want to run :(`
`16:34.31`	`[cc]smart`	`for openslug, is there an easier way to booting from root than to modify linuxrc ?`
`16:34.45`	`[cc]smart`	`eh, booting from hd as root`
`16:34.53`	`garpinc`	`I can help you with that... But after I help you maybe you can create a gift How to Wiki... Deal?`
`16:35.37`	`PeterRoubos`	`Yep, but don't expect me to make that within a day, gimme a week ok (so mucht work to do :)`
`16:35.54`	`garpinc`	`Sure... Ok what have you done so far?`
`16:36.16`	`PeterRoubos`	`installed giFT, and all depending packages...`
`16:36.27`	`garpinc`	`Did you install any pluging?`
`16:36.42`	`PeterRoubos`	`Yep FastTrack`
`16:37.09`	`garpinc`	`Did you create a .giFT directory in you home?`
`16:37.40`	`PeterRoubos`	`nope`
`16:37.53`	`garpinc`	`Well it can't possibly run then...`
`16:38.20`	`garpinc`	`I created a giftuser to run the daemone as?`
`16:38.34`	`garpinc`	`Do you want to do that or just run it as root?`
`16:38.39`	`PeterRoubos`	`ok, i tried to install it as root`
`16:38.53`	`garpinc`	`That's fine... Your preference...`
`16:38.55`	`PeterRoubos`	`so there's where I went wrong allready I guess`
`16:39.16`	`PeterRoubos`	`But I cant get the setup to run`
`16:39.17`	`garpinc`	`Let's go with root for now you can change it later...`
`16:39.41`	`PeterRoubos`	`ok`
`16:39.57`	`garpinc`	`First edit less /opt/share/giFT/giftd.conf.template`
`16:40.55`	`garpinc`	`Read each config item and change... The first one is obviously stopping you from doing anything...`
`16:41.17`	`PeterRoubos`	`ok`
`16:41.25`	`garpinc`	`Finished?`
`16:41.28`	`PeterRoubos`	`so it must be turned to 1`
`16:41.36`	`garpinc`	`Of course...`
`16:43.19`	`PeterRoubos`	`ok`
`16:43.31`	`garpinc`	`REad and change all the settings?`
`16:43.36`	`PeterRoubos`	`yep`
`16:43.49`	`garpinc`	`TRy to run it and see what happens...`
`16:44.01`	`PeterRoubos`	`ok gimme a second or 2`
`16:44.52`	`PeterRoubos`	`* ERROR: Your setup is incomplete *`
`16:45.20`	`garpinc`	`Is that diff than b4...`
`16:45.51`	`PeterRoubos`	`nope the same`
`16:46.11`	`PeterRoubos`	`You will need to run gift-setup and be sure that you read absolutely`
`16:46.25`	`PeterRoubos`	`but how do i run gift-setup`
`16:46.39`	`garpinc`	`Unfortunetely you need perl for that so we'll do it manually..`
`16:46.43`	`PeterRoubos`	`when i do ./gift-setup it says no such file or directory`
`16:46.50`	`PeterRoubos`	`ok`
`16:46.59`	`garpinc`	`Create ~/.giFT directory`
`16:47.24`	`PeterRoubos`	`ok im lost, how do I do that (newbee)`
`16:47.39`	`PeterRoubos`	`mkdir ...`
`16:47.52`	`garpinc`	`yes`
`16:48.04`	`garpinc`	`first type bash`
`16:48.07`	`PeterRoubos`	`ok`
`16:48.13`	`garpinc`	`then type mkidr ~/.giFT`
`16:48.19`	`garpinc`	`mkdir`
`16:49.12`	`garpinc`	`Done?`
`16:49.18`	`PeterRoubos`	`ok, did that, but when I dont think I have Bash installed...`
`16:49.32`	`PeterRoubos`	`but did the mkdir...`
`16:49.37`	`garpinc`	`ok instead type mkdir $HOME/.giFT`
`16:50.05`	`garpinc`	`Then: cp /opt/share/giFT/giftd.conf.template $HOME/.giFT/giftd.conf`
`16:51.08`	`garpinc`	`Then: mkdir $HOME/.gift/FastTrack`
`16:51.19`	`PeterRoubos`	`cp: /opt/share/giFT/gift.conf.template: No such file or directory`
`16:51.43`	`garpinc`	`Didn't you just edit that file?`
`16:51.49`	`PeterRoubos`	`yep...`
`16:51.53`	`PeterRoubos`	`let me see`
`16:53.07`	`garpinc`	`Should be : /opt/share/giFT/giftd.conf.template`
`16:53.35`	`garpinc`	`giftd.conf.template instead of gift.conf.template`
`16:54.34`	`PeterRoubos`	`ok copied`
`16:54.47`	`garpinc`	`Did you create fasttrack dir?`
`16:55.05`	`PeterRoubos`	`yep just now`
`16:55.28`	`garpinc`	`and I meant there $HOME/.giFT/FastTrack`
`16:56.04`	`PeterRoubos`	`yep its there`
`16:56.50`	`garpinc`	`Ok next: cp /opt/share/giFT/FastTrack/FastTrack.conf.template $HOME/.giFT/FastTrack/FastTrack.conf`
`16:57.48`	`garpinc`	`Done...`
`16:58.06`	`PeterRoubos`	`wait a second`
`16:59.00`	`PeterRoubos`	cp: unable to open `//.giFT/FastTrack/FastTrack.conf
`17:00.44`	`garpinc`	`You must have typed wrong... Paste here what you typed..`
`17:01.38`	`PeterRoubos`	`# cp /opt/share/giFT/FastTrack/FastTrack.conf.template $HOME/.giFT/FastTrack/FastTrack.conf`
`17:02.12`	`garpinc`	`type echo $HOME`
`17:02.44`	`garpinc`	`Then type ls $HOME/.giFT`
`17:03.05`	`PeterRoubos`	`echo $HOME says /`
`17:04.20`	`garpinc`	`and ls -l $HOME/.giFT`
`17:04.46`	`PeterRoubos`	`drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 Feb 13 18:00 FastTrack`
`17:05.01`	`PeterRoubos`	`-rwxr----- 1 root root 7975 Feb 13 17:53 giftd.conf`
`17:05.25`	`garpinc`	`ok type ls -l /opt/share/giFT/FastTrack/FastTrack.conf.template`
`17:06.08`	`PeterRoubos`	`-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1733 Feb 8 15:56 /opt/share/giFT/FastTrac`
`17:06.23`	`PeterRoubos`	`k/FastTrack.conf.template`
`17:06.46`	`garpinc`	`Sound to me like you should be able to copy file from one dir to the other..`
`17:06.50`	`garpinc`	`?`
`17:06.55`	`PeterRoubos`	`trying again`
`17:08.21`	`PeterRoubos`	`ok have it there now, put share/hdd/ in front of opt/.../...`
`17:08.39`	`PeterRoubos`	`so the FastTrack.conf is now in the FastTrack dir.`
`17:09.40`	`garpinc`	`edit that and make sure the settings you want are in there...`
`17:10.09`	`PeterRoubos`	`ok, that will take a moment`
`17:14.24`	`garpinc`	`next copy the other 2 files in /opt/share/giFT/FastTrack/ (banlist and nodes) into $HOME/.giFT/FastTrack`
`17:14.42`	`garpinc`	`Then start giftd and you should be all set.`
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`17:14.56`	`PeterRoubos`	`ok just finished editing the file`
`17:16.23`	`garpinc`	`All set?`
`17:16.29`	`PeterRoubos`	`hang in Im slow`
`17:16.37`	`PeterRoubos`	`working on 2 machines here...`
`17:17.40`	`PeterRoubos`	`it looks like it's doing something...`
`17:17.53`	`PeterRoubos`	`i dont get the # sign back`
`17:18.02`	`garpinc`	`What front end are you using?`
`17:18.03`	`PeterRoubos`	`but dont get erors`
`17:18.29`	`garpinc`	`I suggest KCEasy for windows..`
`17:18.43`	`PeterRoubos`	`giFTwin32`
`17:18.53`	`PeterRoubos`	`and it looks like its workjiong`
`17:19.01`	`PeterRoubos`	`only one wuestion more`
`17:19.06`	`PeterRoubos`	`question`
`17:19.07`	`garpinc`	`Ok great... KCEasy is better though..`
`17:19.24`	`garpinc`	`The other plugin are configured in much the same way..`
`17:19.53`	`garpinc`	`I.e instead of FastTrack... Ares... or OpenNap etc...`
`17:19.54`	`PeterRoubos`	`now I started Gift with ./giftd but when I disconnect my telnet sesion I think i will lose gift too`
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`17:20.37`	`PeterRoubos`	`can I start it so that it will still run when I am not connected via telnet?`
`17:20.45`	`garpinc`	`My system startup file looks like...:#!/bin/sh`
`17:20.45`	`garpinc`	`# The NSLU2 has already mounted /dev/sda and /dev/sdb`
`17:20.45`	`garpinc`	`# if type is ext2 or ext3.`
`17:20.45`	`garpinc`	`# We try in addition to mount vfat filesystems.`
`17:20.45`	`garpinc`	`# Don't worry if this fails.`
`17:20.45`	`garpinc`	`/bin/mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /share/hdd > /dev/null`
`17:20.47`	`garpinc`	`/bin/mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /share/flash > /dev/null`
`17:20.49`	`garpinc`	`chdir /opt`
`17:20.51`	`garpinc`	`sudo -u giftuser /opt/giftd -v -d --home-dir=/share/hdd/data/gift`
`17:21.23`	`garpinc`	`filename is /opt/etc/init.d/S97giftd`
`17:21.46`	`garpinc`	`To do that you'll have to install sudo.. configure etcc...`
`17:22.01`	`garpinc`	`But for now you can just type Cntrl C`
`17:22.09`	`garpinc`	`and then type nohup giftd &`
`17:22.14`	`PeterRoubos`	`will it still run?`
`17:22.20`	`PeterRoubos`	`ok`
`17:22.26`	`garpinc`	`then you will be able to exit telnet without it exiting...`
`17:22.46`	`garpinc`	`But next time nslu2 reboots you'll have to do that again...`
`17:23.08`	`PeterRoubos`	`ok thanks again, ill go and copy and paste all of this for the Wiki.`
`17:23.36`	`garpinc`	`GReat.... BTW there's a bug in the Ares pluging which has been addressed and seems to work.`
`17:23.53`	`garpinc`	`I'm waiting for it to be promoted by rwhitby..`
`17:24.19`	`garpinc`	`Causes gift to crash after a while without the fix...`
`17:24.37`	`garpinc`	`But so far you just have fasttrack so it will not be an issue for you now...`
`17:25.22`	`garpinc`	`See ya...`
`17:27.36`	`PeterRoubos`	`ok copied everything.... thanks for now...`
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`18:08.08`	`copperbeech`	`is anyone using the syslog daemon on their slug to take log information from other sources on the setwork?`
`18:08.23`	`copperbeech`	`setwork = network`
`18:09.30`	`copperbeech`	`I just downloaded the precompiled replacemant binary pointed to from the wiki and it is a 700k + binary file. Seems big. Is that what you would expect?`
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`18:32.37`	`katnip666`	`morning, anyone here?`
`18:38.55`	`garpinc`	`hi`
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`20:01.10`	`beewoolie`	`Does openslug allow us to format drives as ext3?`
`20:17.27`	`giel`	`openslug allows is everything :)`
`20:17.56`	`giel`	`i guess you can format drives with ext3 with unslung too`
`20:18.13`	`dyoung-zzzz`	`you can ONLY format drives in ext3 under factory/unslung.`
`20:18.34`	`giel`	`well, ofcourse you can install other utils too`
`20:18.52`	`giel`	`dyoung-zzzz: do you know what the swapper process does, and why it's taking all my cpu time?`
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`21:12.30`	`CIA-1`	`03rwhitby * 10unslung/make/cups.mk: Added libpng-stage.`
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`21:23.38`	`CIA-1`	`03jp30 * 10unslung/make/libpng.mk: fixed broken dependency in libpng-stage`
`21:34.44`	`rwhitby-zzzz`	`garpinc: all cross packages have been rebuilt`
`21:39.42`	`CIA-1`	`03rwhitby * 10unslung/Makefile: Made NATIVE_PACKAGES only include NATIVE_ONLY_PACKAGES (to reduce the native compilation time).`
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`21:43.40`	`garpinc`	`Hey rwhitby-zzzz`
`21:43.57`	`garpinc`	`r u there?`
`21:44.06`	`rwhitby`	`yep`
`21:44.22`	`garpinc`	`rwhitby did you get my mesg about jamvm?`
`21:44.57`	`rwhitby`	`yes, but zip is not used in jamvm, so I didn't understand your message.`
`21:45.16`	`garpinc`	`It is used to create glibj.zip`
`21:47.35`	`garpinc`	`So current jamvm doesn't work for anyone because that's all the compiles java classes.`
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`21:49.32`	`rwhitby`	`glibj.zip is not created in the jamvm package. So what do you mean?`
`21:50.50`	`garpinc`	`It's probably created in classpath package.`
`21:50.53`	`rwhitby`	`anyway, zip was installed on builds a number of days ago, and all packages were recompiled last night, so please see if the problem is fixed`
`21:51.32`	`garpinc`	`ok`
`21:53.18`	`rwhitby`	`(I recompile everyone about once a week to catch the instances where developers change things but forget to update the IPK version)`
`21:54.49`	`rwhitby`	`and from today the native package feed will only include those packages which we are unable to build cross`
`21:55.22`	`ka6sox-away`	`rwhitby: I have the specs...NewEgg okay to buy from?`
`21:55.37`	`ByronT`	`rwhitby, were you aware of the samba .conf problem introduced recently?`
`21:55.59`	`garpinc`	`All set with that rwhitby...`
`21:58.13`	`rwhitby`	`ka6sox-away: have we closed on warranty and shipping?`
`21:58.34`	`rwhitby`	`ByronT: no - is it fixed in the CVS?`
`21:58.49`	`garpinc`	`I've got 3 other tools to check in.. transcode, ffmpeg, and lame...`
`21:58.51`	`Tiersten`	`whats the final spec?`
`21:58.59`	`ka6sox-away`	`Shuttle is a Factory Item`
`21:59.07`	`ByronT`	`rwhitby, still having sf.net issues`
`21:59.49`	`rwhitby`	`ka6sox-away: can you create a specs wiki page - name it in preparation for it being the doco page on how to replicate the official build system`
`22:00.10`	`ka6sox-away`	`okay`
`22:00.20`	`rwhitby`	`Info/UnslungCrossCompilationHost or something like that`
`22:01.16`	`rwhitby`	`Tiersten: 3200+ with 1 Gb RAM was the final spec if I remember correctly.`
`22:02.32`	`Tiersten`	`ah okay`
`22:04.30`	`garpinc`	`rwhitby.. I also did an ugrade to gift opennap and ares pluging.. Did you incoorporate that into latest build?`
`22:04.35`	`rwhitby`	`200 for box, 200 for proc, 200 for ram, 100 for disk (maybe 200 if we have enough additional contributions since then to cover warranty and shipping)`
`22:05.32`	`Tiersten`	`cover warranty? huh?`
`22:05.44`	`Tiersten`	`oh yeah. you guys don't automatically get 1 year do you?`
`22:06.30`	`rwhitby`	`I'd like to look at extended warranty if it is worth it - since this is a machine built from donations`
`22:06.47`	`ka6sox-away`	`oh okay I'll look for that.`
`22:08.40`	`jacques`	`it was about $16.32 for the extended warranty on the barebones`
`22:10.27`	`rwhitby`	`We currently have USD$900 to spend - I presume $100 will cover warranty and shipping, so let's talk about 2 disks instead of 1`
`22:10.42`	`rwhitby`	`ka6sox: what's the backup strategy for the machine - do we want to RAID it?`
`22:10.52`	`CIA-1`	`03garpinc * 10unslung/ (8 files in 4 dirs): Tools to convert between different media types`
`22:10.56`	`ByronT`	`rwhitby, I'll kick in shipping`
`22:11.09`	`Tiersten`	`We got sufficient cash to get a proper hardware RAID card?`
`22:11.15`	`Tiersten`	`And no, a Promise/Highpoint doesn't count :)`
`22:11.23`	`ka6sox`	`adaptec`
`22:11.31`	`ByronT`	`send my gmail with shipping costs, and I'll PayPal it`
`22:11.37`	`dyoung`	`adaptec 1200A has a Highpoint in it.`
`22:11.44`	`Tiersten`	`I personally prefer 3ware`
`22:11.57`	`dyoung`	`And if you wish to use a 1200A, I'll donate my spare one.`
`22:12.11`	`dyoung`	`I'm with tiersten on that. 3ware is my friend.`
`22:13.40`	`Tiersten`	`That reminds me. Need to send them a patch for their driver actually`
`22:15.30`	`rwhitby`	`before we discuss which RAID - what are the benefits of RAID for a machine like this one? speed, backup, etc?`
`22:16.14`	`Tiersten`	`reliability`
`22:16.40`	`ka6sox`	`I would rather put in a DVD-RAM. my .02 worth.`
`22:16.56`	`Tiersten`	`Why DVD-RAM?`
`22:18.00`	`rwhitby`	`anyway, you guys discuss. assume that we have $900 to spend now instead of $800, esp if ByronT is going to cover shipping for us :-)`
`22:18.20`	`rwhitby-away`	`hi ho, hi ho, .....`
`22:18.55`	`ka6sox`	`Tiersten: because it is Random Access and allows easy backup strategy.`
`22:19.38`	`rwhitby-away`	`I'll see the consensus in the logs later ....`
`22:19.40`	`[g2]`	`RAID makes very little sense on build machine to me`
`22:19.57`	`Tiersten`	`Yeah but DVD-RAM only really works in other DVD-RAM drives`
`22:20.08`	`[g2]`	`by definition, it's a compute box (doing builds)`
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`22:20.14`	`Tiersten`	`If you're using it for backup then DVD+/-R is good enough`
`22:20.17`	`Tiersten`	`And more compatible`
`22:20.27`	`ka6sox`	`RW?`
`22:20.35`	`Tiersten`	`Yeah. Or RW`
`22:20.45`	`ka6sox`	`+/- RW?`
`22:20.57`	`Tiersten`	`[g2]: I guess. Advantage is that it's safeguarding against disk failure`
`22:21.01`	`rwhitby-away`	`Tiersten: ka6sox currently does our backups of the wiki ...`
`22:21.23`	`Tiersten`	`So whats the point of the DVD-RAM if you've got a backup system already?`
`22:22.02`	`rwhitby-away`	`(we want to take the dependence on relying on the graciousness of ka6sox for any hardware related to the running on nslu2-linux)`
`22:22.18`	`rwhitby-away`	`... take away the dependence ...`
`22:22.38`	`Tiersten`	`Well. A DVD+/-RW drive cheap these days`
`22:22.46`	`ka6sox`	`true.`
`22:23.01`	`ByronT`	`and more useful IMO`
`22:23.07`	`ka6sox`	`then we should add that to the spec then.`
`22:23.08`	`ka6sox`	`:)`
`22:23.29`	`Tiersten`	`No real advantage to getting a dual layer one unless it's particularly cheap. Not that they're expensive either`
`22:23.36`	`Tiersten`	`Dual layer media is so expensive at the moment`
`22:23.36`	`[g2]`	`For backups RAID makes a ton of sense, and maybe for reliability too, but maybe not.`
`22:23.38`	`rwhitby-away`	`Does that then involve human intervention? We want this machine to be low-touch.`
`22:23.43`	`Tiersten`	`RAID isn't for backup`
`22:23.53`	`Tiersten`	`It's for speed and/or reliability`
`22:24.01`	`ByronT`	`agreed with Tiersten`
`22:24.05`	`[g2]`	`If the box is only doing builds, everything will wind up in RAM and the disk won't actually be used much`
`22:24.20`	`Tiersten`	`RAID doesn't stop you fat fingering rm -rf / and nuking the entire array :)`
`22:24.43`	`ByronT`	`Tiersten, BTDTGATS?`
`22:24.46`	`Tiersten`	`In RAM? Where do all the files get stored then?`
`22:24.52`	`Tiersten`	`ByronT: Wha?`
`22:25.06`	`ByronT`	`Been There, Done That, Got A T-Shirt`
`22:25.18`	`Tiersten`	`ahh`
`22:25.21`	`Tiersten`	`Nope`
`22:25.31`	`Tiersten`	`Not with RAID anyway. I've done rm -rf / by accident before`
`22:25.41`	`[g2]`	`I guess the tmp dir is 2-3 GB`
`22:25.43`	`ByronT`	`whoops...`
`22:26.05`	`ByronT`	`today's Dilbert was appropriate then`
`22:26.11`	`Tiersten`	`Was easy to restore anyway`
`22:27.46`	`[g2]`	`RAID will make a difference then for all the unpacking and for reliability since the disk is in action`
`22:27.56`	`Tiersten`	`ByronT: heh`
`22:28.27`	`ByronT`	`:)`
`22:31.06`	`CIA-1`	`03jp30 * 10unslung/make/ (26 files): x11/gtk: request automake 1.9 explicitly everywhere; parallel-make-friendly staging; use Owen Taylor's recent fixes to Xutil.h from freedesktop.org CVS`
`22:31.20`	`[g2]`	`/home/tom/dev/openslug/build`
`22:31.20`	`[g2]`	`1984152 /home/tom/dev/openslug/build/tmp`
`22:31.42`	`[g2]`	`"bash-2.05b$ du -s /home/tom/dev/openslug/build/tmp`
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`22:32.00`	`[g2]`	`I guess 3 gig RAM would do it :)`
`22:32.41`	`ka6sox`	`ram is the last place I would want my precious files.`
`22:32.52`	`ka6sox`	`unless its static ram.`
`22:32.57`	`ka6sox`	`or NVRAM.`
`22:33.21`	`ka6sox`	`okay so what's the point of RAID here/`
`22:33.28`	`ka6sox`	`speed or reliablilty.`
`22:33.49`	`[g2]`	`well actually it'd be both for OE builds`
`22:33.54`	`dyoung`	`I was thinking it was gonna be a raid1 mirror.`
`22:34.06`	`ka6sox`	`raid 1 is SLOW.`
`22:34.12`	`ka6sox`	`not good for builds.`
`22:34.23`	`ka6sox`	`raid 0 is fast but unreliable.`
`22:34.30`	`[g2]`	`1 is mirroring right ?`
`22:34.31`	`dyoung`	`its not that much of a speed penalty.`
`22:34.35`	`[g2]`	`0 is striping`
`22:34.38`	`ka6sox`	`writing to 2 disks?`
`22:35.41`	`ka6sox`	`I use raid 1 on my servers...at the time it was what I could afford.`
`22:36.05`	`dyoung`	`The other option is raid5, but thats Yet Another Disk.`
`22:36.11`	`[g2]`	`reliability makes sense, mirroring doesn't make that much sense to me`
`22:36.25`	`ka6sox`	`but everytime a HD fails in an array I just copy the data off the other drive and then pitch the partner of the one that dies.`
`22:36.36`	`[g2]`	`how long does the Unslung build take ?`
`22:36.48`	`dyoung`	`you dont get reliability with a raid0 stripe set.`
`22:36.54`	`dyoung`	`if you lose one, you lose the whole thing.`
`22:37.28`	`ka6sox`	`several hours on the current machine.`
`22:37.34`	`[g2]`	`all the "data" is in the repo's already`
`22:37.48`	`[g2]`	`is the new machine faster ?`
`22:37.53`	`ka6sox`	`MUCH`
`22:38.05`	`ka6sox`	`800-C3 vs XP3200+`
`22:38.09`	`Tiersten`	`RAID 1 is slow??`
`22:38.21`	`[g2]`	`so the cost of restarting is just a couple hours`
`22:38.26`	`ka6sox`	`Tiersten, yes because it sends the SAME data to 2 places.`
`22:38.30`	`Tiersten`	`RAID 0 = fast but you increase the chance of losing your data by a huge amount`
`22:38.33`	`[g2]`	`not much of a cost in my book`
`22:38.40`	`Tiersten`	`It should be the same speed as 1 drive`
`22:38.54`	`ka6sox`	`huh?`
`22:38.55`	`dyoung`	`nod tiersten.`
`22:39.05`	`ByronT`	`well, just a 1/4 of the actual MTBF`
`22:39.05`	`Tiersten`	`You using a proper hardware RAID controller?`
`22:39.15`	`Tiersten`	`Or you doing this via software RAID?`
`22:39.22`	`ByronT`	`I mean it drops to 1/4 MTBF...`
`22:40.50`	`ka6sox`	`okay guys...in reality all we need to save is the Build Environment and any special tweaks that we do to the Core OS.`
`22:41.02`	`ka6sox`	`and that is pretty static.`
`22:41.15`	`ka6sox`	`since we pull from our Repo's for the source`
`22:41.25`	`Tiersten`	`I guess since we pull everything from web/CVS then it's not a major thing`
`22:41.29`	`Tiersten`	`yeah`
`22:41.50`	`Tiersten`	`In that case, we just need an image of the build system and keep it on a DVD in case of failure`
`22:41.51`	`rwhitby-away`	`unless we decide to also use this machine as the repo (not suggesting we do that, just thinking aloud)`
`22:41.51`	`ka6sox`	`unless this machine becomes a repo or the master repo then we are okay.`
`22:42.22`	`ka6sox`	`if its our master repo then I propose using RAID1 with a proper RAID card.`
`22:42.46`	`ka6sox`	`best balance of cost/performance and size.`
`22:42.54`	`Tiersten`	`You got a fat enough pipe if it's going to be the repo?`
`22:43.05`	`ByronT`	`be back later....`
`22:43.59`	`ka6sox`	`working on that now.`
`22:45.18`	`ka6sox`	`somebody come up with a card that they like (that isn't UW-LVDS SCSI) and lets spec it.`
`22:46.00`	`Tiersten`	`3ware :)`
`22:46.05`	`dyoung`	`like the 3ware 7000 series? 7006 I think is the 2 drive model?`
`22:46.21`	`dyoung`	`theres a 9000o series SATA model too.`
`22:46.54`	`dyoung`	`8006 is the 2 drive SATA model.`
`22:48.01`	`ka6sox`	`url's?`
`22:48.03`	`Tiersten`	`Yeah. A 7006-2 will do`
`22:48.25`	`ka6sox`	`can you remote cabinet SATA?`
`22:48.52`	`Tiersten`	`In theory you can. Never tried it`
`22:49.10`	`dyoung`	`We have these SI cards that havae external SATA Connectors.`
`22:49.31`	`dyoung`	`there is no connector retention and they do fall out on their own in a ship enviornment.`
`22:49.39`	`Tiersten`	`Can't find a 7006-2 however at new egg`
`22:50.02`	`ka6sox`	`I'm willing to use other vendors.`
`22:50.05`	`Tiersten`	`There is a 8006-2LP though for $134.99`
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`22:56.44`	`garpinc`	`Anyone here using twonkyvision?`
`22:57.05`	`Tiersten`	`Nope`
`23:23.11`	`giel`	`[g2]: do you know what the swapper process is, and why it's taking all my cpu time?`
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`23:58.42`	`rwhitby-web`	`Will this: (http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?grid=33&scid=38&prid=581) work with the slug?`
`23:58.52`	`rwhitby-web`	`(Bluetooth class 1 dongle)`
`23:59.43`	`rwhitby-web`	`People on the Treo650 forums are reporting 1000 feet range between this dongle on a PC and a Treo 650 ...`

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