| 00:00.25 | rwhitby-web | tjyang: just wanted to clarify - the donations for the single nslu2 build machine is not for public access, it's for the single official package build machine which uploads to the feed. |
| 00:01.21 | rwhitby-web | so we don't really need more than one (assuming that native packages don't come in faster than we can compile them) - especially since we're only compiling native-only packages on it in the future (which are few, cause most packages will cross-compile) |
| 00:02.40 | rwhitby-web | now, if someone else wanted to donate a slug for a more open developer access, then we could look into that ... |
| 00:15.23 | rwhitby-web | ka6sox: what is the vision for the slugfarm.org domain? it's not for the official build hosts, right (as they need to be tightly controlled) - they will stay in the nslu2-linux..org domain as a restricted resource. |
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| 00:17.34 | ka6sox | that idea is a distributed CC environment to harvest the build abilities of distributed compilations. |
| 00:19.25 | ka6sox | there are a lot of slugs that are idling most of the time. |
| 00:19.56 | ka6sox | and also to look at a model for distCC compilations for embedded systems. |
| 00:20.00 | ka6sox | (native) |
| 00:20.21 | jacques | my slugs are idling right now |
| 00:20.41 | ka6sox | distCC isn't good for WAN model... |
| 00:20.53 | ka6sox | something else would have to be used... |
| 00:22.11 | ka6sox | distCC sends the files over the "lan" that are to be compiled |
| 00:22.36 | jacques | http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ |
| 00:22.37 | ka6sox | the slugs should go get the source themselves under the direction of the "master" slug. |
| 00:22.45 | jacques | bwahh ha ha haaa!!! |
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| 00:23.27 | nslu2-noob | My slugs are idling now too. |
| 00:23.40 | nslu2-noob | ones a doorstop. Heh. |
| 00:25.47 | jacques | jeez, someone should teach that kid the rules of logos |
| 00:25.54 | jacques | http://boinc.berkeley.edu/hatfield.png |
| 00:26.13 | nslu2-noob | I like that logo. Its... Different in a busy sort of way. |
| 00:26.29 | ka6sox | yes. |
| 00:27.11 | ka6sox | the problem with low powered and embedded systems is that native builds are s l o w |
| 00:27.25 | rwhitby-web | ka6sox: so slugfarm.org is made up of individuals donating some of their own slug's time |
| 00:27.41 | rwhitby-web | the slugs remain distributed around the world |
| 00:27.44 | ka6sox | correct.. |
| 00:27.50 | nslu2-noob | Actually now that I think about it a bit, its kind of a nice logo. It embodies all of the projects currently using "Boinc Technology". |
| 00:28.10 | ka6sox | there might be some benefit to exploring distCC in a "local" environment too. |
| 00:28.26 | ka6sox | so 3 or more slugs connect via NFSRoot. |
| 00:28.29 | ka6sox | locally. |
| 00:28.30 | nslu2-noob | did i just say that out loud? oops. |
| 00:28.39 | ka6sox | you did |
| 00:29.23 | ByronT | I think I discovered my problem with cvs and sf... |
| 00:31.08 | jacques | baby, wanna come back to my place and see my BOINC implementation? |
| 00:31.33 | dyoung-web | "If you application replies on 100% correctness, you shouldnt use Boinc" |
| 00:31.54 | jacques | ugh - I missed that :-( |
| 00:32.02 | jacques | well, that's because ppl can game it |
| 00:32.06 | dyoung-web | s/replies/relies/ |
| 00:32.10 | ka6sox | rwhitby-web: there is a benefit of using distCC for native builds for the project. so if additional slugs were made available they could be part of the official www.nslu2-linux.org package build "cluster" |
| 00:32.34 | dyoung-web | "Although redundant computing can be used to minimize the problem...." |
| 00:33.46 | jacques | right, the problem (I think) is incorrect results returned either due to problems with the individual nodes or ppl intentionally sending wrong results |
| 00:35.03 | ka6sox | yeah |
| 00:39.01 | rwhitby-web | ka6sox: I would rather spend the donations on a faster cross-compilation machine (now that we have bought the native compilation slug) rather than multiple slugs. We still intend for cross-compilation to be the default mode of compiling packages for the feeds, and only resort to native compilation when cross cannot be made to work in a practical timeframe. |
| 00:39.36 | ka6sox | I agree that we need a faster Cross compilation machine. |
| 00:40.47 | ka6sox | this cobbled together machine is too slow. |
| 01:02.23 | dyoung-web | cobbled together from misc bits. |
| 01:02.32 | dyoung-web | "what did you expect for free" |
| 01:03.35 | jacques | I expect the best software in the world for free |
| 01:03.55 | ka6sox | :) |
| 01:04.07 | dyoung-web | oh yeah |
| 01:04.17 | dyoung-web | "what did you expect for minimal effort?" |
| 01:04.34 | dyoung-web | (I'm assuming the effort was minimal at least) |
| 01:06.26 | ka6sox | it took a couple of hours. |
| 01:06.43 | rwhitby-web | heh - faster to build the machine than to build the packages :-) |
| 01:06.49 | ka6sox | "Hardware should be FREE!" - Steve Ballmer. |
| 01:07.09 | ka6sox | at least I think it was him. |
| 01:07.11 | dyoung-web | Well, we could synthesize a ppc in a V4.... |
| 01:07.20 | dyoung-web | slap some ram on it. |
| 01:07.38 | dyoung-web | it would be "free" in a non-monetary sense. |
| 01:08.36 | Tiersten | You don't synthesize a PPC in a V4 |
| 01:08.46 | Tiersten | It's a hardcore and actually part of it anyway |
| 01:08.52 | ka6sox | true. |
| 01:19.12 | dyoung-web | didnt I read something about someone having a ppc405 or something in a v4? |
| 01:19.25 | dyoung-web | oh, its REALLY part of it? |
| 01:19.36 | dyoung-web | weird. |
| 01:19.44 | Tiersten | Yeah |
| 01:19.55 | Tiersten | The larger parts contain multiple PPC cores |
| 01:20.18 | dyoung-web | neat. |
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| 01:28.44 | garpinc | rwhitby-web is it possible to debug a core file with cross compile tool chain. |
| 01:28.57 | garpinc | Is there a gdb that can read the core for nslu2 |
| 01:30.55 | garpinc | Does anyone know? |
| 01:31.52 | shenson | yes |
| 01:32.39 | garpinc | So yes I can debug with cross compile toolchain? |
| 01:33.18 | shenson | Well I don't know about the cross compile toolchain... |
| 01:33.44 | shenson | but gdb seems to compile cleanly with the native compiler with a few minor |
| 01:33.46 | shenson | changes |
| 01:34.49 | garpinc | Do you need other stuff or just the executable? |
| 01:35.40 | shenson | I haven't tried much with it yet. I only got it to compile today. |
| 01:36.16 | garpinc | Can you send it to me? |
| 01:37.49 | shenson | Well with the disclaimer that it might not work properly or at all... |
| 01:38.57 | garpinc | Sure... |
| 01:39.17 | garpinc | nslu2 at leclub.ws |
| 01:41.17 | shenson | The compressed binary is about 1Mb is that OK? |
| 01:41.28 | ByronT | I need to head home.. a few knowledgable souls in #nslu2-general for newbie questions would help that channel start to take off |
| 01:42.12 | garpinc | Yes... |
| 01:44.53 | shenson | Binary just sent |
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| 01:49.38 | garpinc | shenson. Got it... So far I see 2 problems: error while loading shared libraries: libncurses.so.5 |
| 01:49.48 | garpinc | had to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 01:50.06 | garpinc | And second: dlopen failed on 'libthread_db.so.1' |
| 01:50.28 | shenson | Yes I get the second one. Don't know how to fix it. It didn't matter with the small core |
| 01:50.49 | shenson | dump I checked with it though. |
| 01:50.51 | chang_alex | does anyone know if there is a ipkg install for tcsh shell? |
| 01:53.37 | jacques | ask rt |
| 01:58.48 | shenson | BTW if anyone can grant me CVS write access I'll have a go at getting |
| 01:59.38 | shenson | gdb into an ipkg. Source forge id is shenson and I can be mailed steve at openssl dot org |
| 02:06.43 | rt | it wasn't hard, once you have the non-busybox sed compiled. |
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| 02:15.45 | rwhitby-web | rt: what was the sf.net problem? |
| 02:33.28 | garpinc | rwhitby-web is there something special I have to do with toolchain to retain debug info for a shared library? |
| 02:38.23 | Tiersten | Read the man pages for GCC |
| 02:38.53 | garpinc | Well I know about -g option |
| 02:39.00 | garpinc | isn't that it? |
| 02:46.52 | garpinc | I tried both -g and -ggdb and the output complains about missing files rather than showing line numbers. |
| 02:48.09 | garpinc | gdb that is.. |
| 02:51.01 | garpinc | Do we have nslu2 pkg that includes 'libthread_db.so.1' |
| 03:16.52 | kergoth | heh, it cant show line numbers unless the source is available, in the location thats hardcoded in the binary |
| 03:16.58 | kergoth | if it is, then it should work |
| 03:19.10 | garpinc | So if it says: |
| 03:19.10 | garpinc | (gdb) l 290 |
| 03:19.11 | garpinc | 285 in as_search_man.c |
| 03:19.32 | garpinc | then I have to copy as_search_man.c to my slug in the directory gdb is run? |
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| 03:53.03 | dyoung-web | back late |
| 03:53.05 | dyoung-web | r |
| 03:53.13 | dyoung-web | happy lunar new year everyone. |
| 03:54.27 | rwhitby-web | you lunatic you |
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| 03:54.46 | rwhitby-web | tjyang: ping |
| 03:54.53 | dyoung-web | I'm a lunatic alright. ;-) |
| 03:54.56 | tjyang | rod, I am back. |
| 03:54.59 | dyoung-web | Lunartick. |
| 03:55.46 | tjyang | looks like there is discussion about distcc and slugs ;) |
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| 03:58.13 | garpinc | FYI: it looks like gdb, shenson compiled works famously. I was able to debug a core file on the slug... |
| 04:00.49 | tjyang | my words are out and logged, I plan to donate 3 nslu2 to the community to make me feel better that I am giving too. |
| 04:05.29 | tjyang | rod, are you here ? |
| 04:07.09 | jacques | tjyang, he's at work now I think |
| 04:07.22 | jacques | probably busy :-\ |
| 04:07.45 | tjyang | jac, that is ok. let me when I should pay ;) |
| 04:08.12 | tjyang | let me know when I should transfer the money. |
| 04:08.42 | jacques | tjyang, you made a very generous offer :-) I'll let rwhitby-web give you the details (he's in charge of the donations) |
| 04:10.40 | tjyang | jacques, sure. I will try to catch him too. |
| 04:11.33 | ka6sox | tjyang, do you have PayPal? |
| 04:11.36 | tjyang | nslu2 open my eye to embedded system programming. |
| 04:12.10 | jacques | tjyang, yes it's an excellent learning platform |
| 04:12.14 | tjyang | yes, I do have paypal and I will wire the money via paypal. |
| 04:12.51 | ka6sox | this message explains how to do it. |
| 04:12.52 | ka6sox | http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nslu2-linux/message/4154 |
| 04:13.14 | tjyang | I just wish we can have nslu2 farm to utilize distcc. |
| 04:13.39 | tjyang | that is a wish not a requirement. |
| 04:13.46 | ka6sox | for general use or for core use? |
| 04:14.08 | jacques | yeah once I get access to more than one slug running same dist I wanna play with distcc |
| 04:14.24 | tjyang | I don't care. |
| 04:14.33 | tjyang | ka6, I don't care. |
| 04:14.49 | ka6sox | thank you for your generous offer. |
| 04:15.01 | tjyang | I have two nslu2 now and I can see two of them compile code together with distcc ;) |
| 04:15.39 | ka6sox | it might be a good way to do development of embedded systems natively. |
| 04:16.25 | tjyang | it is wierd to me that nslu2 developer community prefer cross-compilation environment over native one. |
| 04:16.51 | kergoth | why? crosscompilation is faster and works as well. saves developer time and energy |
| 04:16.51 | rwhitby-web | tjyang: are you planning to donate the cash equivalent of three nslu2 to the current donation drive (which is intended to buy a faster cross-compilation host, not another NSLU2), or are you making a proposal for a different type of donation of hardware to slugfarm.org for more general developer use? |
| 04:17.05 | tjyang | at work, cross-complation is only to generate the native gcc. |
| 04:17.29 | kergoth | at my work, everything is crosscompiled. same for all my embedded linux open source projects |
| 04:18.06 | rwhitby-web | ok, let's not go down the cross-vs-native argument again. we need both for nslu2-linux |
| 04:18.18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:18.19 | tjyang | rod,you tell me what you prefer. |
| 04:18.39 | tjyang | no argument from here. |
| 04:19.01 | tjyang | i am a sysadmin, not qualify for programming debate ;) |
| 04:19.19 | rwhitby-web | tjyang: wait for a week or so, and see how we are going with respect to getting the cash for an updated cross-host. if we are rolling in cash at that time, then we might look at a separate developer-access slugfarm ... |
| 04:20.02 | rwhitby-web | or if you trust us to make the right judgement, then just donate the cash via paypal now, and we'll sort out how to spend it :-) |
| 04:20.40 | jacques | I need new hiking boots. |
| 04:20.41 | tjyang | rod, just let me know, just count me in for donation of 3 nslu2 worth of money. |
| 04:20.42 | jacques | :-D |
| 04:21.57 | rwhitby-web | but the priorites are (1) a native build host (which has now been bought from donations), (2) an updated cross-compilation host (specs dependent upon how much we achieve in the donation drive), (3) ensuring that domain and hosting costs are covered for at least two years into the future, (4) slugfarm for package developer use, (5) rod's new Treo 650 fund ... |
| 04:22.23 | jacques | 5 should be my hiking boots :-( |
| 04:22.24 | ka6sox | lol! |
| 04:22.35 | ka6sox | and a new mini |
| 04:22.42 | rwhitby-web | (6) jacques's new hiking boots |
| 04:22.42 | ka6sox | (mac that is) |
| 04:22.42 | tjyang | mac mini ? |
| 04:22.46 | ka6sox | yeah... |
| 04:22.49 | jacques | ooh and a 15" powerbook |
| 04:22.58 | jacques | (I hope people know we're joking) |
| 04:23.06 | ka6sox | yeah...me too. |
| 04:23.09 | rwhitby-web | (yeah, 5 and 6 are jokes) |
| 04:23.12 | tjyang | I have one eMac and one ibook. |
| 04:23.51 | tjyang | and I saw two work together to compile code using distcc. |
| 04:24.12 | jacques | tjyang, two nslu2's ? |
| 04:24.25 | tjyang | command line approach not the Xcode click and run. |
| 04:24.33 | jacques | still cool |
| 04:24.35 | ka6sox | Macs |
| 04:25.01 | tjyang | I have two nslu2 , emacs, hp,solaris,linux etc ... |
| 04:25.06 | rwhitby-web | is an nslu2 still going for around USD$80 at the moment? |
| 04:25.11 | tjyang | emacs -> Macs. |
| 04:25.12 | ka6sox | yes |
| 04:25.21 | jacques | rwhitby-web, yes I just priced them two days ago |
| 04:25.22 | ka6sox | I bought the last one for 82.99 |
| 04:25.56 | tjyang | so I am looking at close $300 for my donation. |
| 04:25.58 | jacques | newegg apparently ran out of the refurbished ones for $70 :-( |
| 04:26.11 | ka6sox | or I would have bought that one... :) |
| 04:26.12 | rwhitby-web | tjyang: USD$250 is a serious donation - two and a half times the largest individual donation so far. |
| 04:26.18 | jacques | tjyang, more like $240 |
| 04:27.11 | jacques | you can still change your mind :-) that's a lot of money |
| 04:27.11 | tjyang | under $300 is ok, i won't let me wife knows abut this ;) |
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| 04:27.35 | jacques | lol |
| 04:27.57 | tjyang | the friendly help and mentoring worth this much ;) |
| 04:28.35 | jacques | :-D I'm glad you think so |
| 04:28.38 | tjyang | now I am back to work, not much time on nslu2 palying ;-< |
| 04:29.02 | jacques | ah I was wondering where you went |
| 04:29.22 | tjyang | but I am working on enabling distcc distributed compilng on solaris environment. |
| 04:29.25 | tjyang | at work. |
| 04:29.35 | rwhitby-web | tjyang: ok, your donation is much appreciated. Will you be paying from an existing PayPal balance, or from a credit card via PayPal? |
| 04:30.25 | tjyang | I think the paypal balance, later look unfamiliar. |
| 04:31.07 | rwhitby-web | so you have $250 in your paypal balance right now? |
| 04:31.32 | tjyang | no, I think paypal will charge me bank after I pay. |
| 04:31.38 | tjyang | via paypal. |
| 04:31.51 | rwhitby-web | from a checking account rather than a credit card, right? |
| 04:32.02 | tjyang | yes, from checking account. |
| 04:32.45 | rwhitby-web | ok, please log into paypal and send the donation to paypal-balance at nslu2-linux dot org |
| 04:33.11 | rwhitby-web | you can be sure it will be put to good use. |
| 04:33.26 | tjyang | sure, no problem. |
| 04:33.50 | tjyang | wait, let me try to do it now. |
| 04:34.03 | rwhitby-web | ok, I'll confirm when I receive it. |
| 04:37.53 | rwhitby-web | everyone must be waiting with bated breath .... |
| 04:38.21 | rwhitby-web | kergoth: what size RAM should a good bitbake/OE build machine have? |
| 04:38.33 | kergoth | 1 gig. |
| 04:38.33 | jacques | 1GB (I know I'm not kergoth) |
| 04:38.57 | rwhitby-web | ok, that's our minimum spec for the new build host then |
| 04:39.20 | ka6sox | G5-Dual, 1GB ram.... j/k |
| 04:39.31 | jacques | I say minimum is XP2500+ 1GB dual channel |
| 04:39.49 | jacques | i was trying to price stuff yesterday - the damn ram is still expensive |
| 04:40.20 | jacques | ram costs almost as much as proc + mb |
| 04:43.10 | jacques | if bb-ng was out we could get away with 256MB :-D |
| 04:43.12 | rwhitby-web | what are we looking at price-wise for the cross-host then (assuming we move the 15Gb disk to gastro and put the 80Gb disk on builds) ? |
| 04:43.41 | jacques | at least $500 IMHO :-\ |
| 04:43.47 | ka6sox | I agree |
| 04:43.55 | ka6sox | I've been pricing it today. |
| 04:43.59 | jacques | that's holding back my tendencies to buy $100 power supplies etc |
| 04:44.17 | jacques | and lian li aluminum cases :-) |
| 04:44.24 | kergoth | mm, lian li |
| 04:44.45 | jacques | and copper sheathed UV reactive rounded cables lol |
| 04:44.53 | ka6sox | heh |
| 04:46.03 | jacques | oh, this is counter-intuitive, but *sometimes* a SFF can be price-efficient |
| 04:46.16 | jacques | I have several of the NF2 shuttle systems |
| 04:46.24 | ka6sox | SFF? |
| 04:46.32 | jacques | small form factor |
| 04:46.41 | ka6sox | I LOVE SFF. |
| 04:46.51 | rwhitby-web | we have $700 cash for the cross-host as of tjyang's generous donation (which is confirmed) |
| 04:47.05 | ka6sox | can I look? |
| 04:47.09 | rwhitby-web | ~praise tjyang |
| 04:47.12 | jbot | All hail tjyang! |
| 04:47.24 | ka6sox | and come back with a couple of recommendations based on specs? |
| 04:47.26 | tjyang | yes, it is done. moeny is out of my pocket. |
| 04:47.30 | ka6sox | did we get a spec? |
| 04:47.35 | ka6sox | thanks tjyang! |
| 04:48.00 | jacques | with a shuttle SFF (that's what I know so others mat be the same) for one price you get case, power supply, HSF, motherboard, cables |
| 04:48.19 | jacques | tjyang, thank you! |
| 04:48.24 | rwhitby-web | it should be small, to match the slug. |
| 04:48.40 | jacques | you need to add cpu, ram, and hd |
| 04:48.59 | rwhitby-web | jacques: can you make a recommendation here? |
| 04:49.13 | jacques | are we assuming we already have HD ? |
| 04:49.48 | rwhitby-web | yes, but leave room for an upgrade later |
| 04:50.28 | rwhitby-web | or if ka6sox would like the 15Gb parts back, then we can replace with a larger disk. But I don't see us using more than 15Gb on the slug. |
| 04:50.48 | jacques | I used to deal with thse guys all the time when I lived in bay area: http://centralcomputer.com/itemdetail.asp?item=SYSSHUSN451R |
| 04:50.58 | jacques | CPU about $100 |
| 04:51.13 | jacques | which would leave $150 for 2x512MB DDR |
| 04:51.39 | ka6sox | is this dual channel? |
| 04:52.01 | jacques | yes, nforce2 ultra400 |
| 04:52.09 | ka6sox | rwhitby-web: my only concern is the 15GB dying. |
| 04:52.16 | ka6sox | its not new. |
| 04:52.22 | rwhitby-web | do we need a parallel port for JTAG ? |
| 04:52.39 | ka6sox | no..USB is fine. |
| 04:53.58 | rwhitby-web | let's hold off on the purchase till at least the weekend - we may have $1k by then :-) |
| 04:54.38 | jacques | newegg wants $262.00 for same box - weird |
| 04:54.41 | tjyang | I like to thank you all for the hardwork and the help when I needed. I am a happy man with two nslu2 working on my hobby project when I have spare time. |
| 04:54.52 | ka6sox | cool...btw I very much like this box. |
| 04:55.00 | ka6sox | quiet. |
| 04:55.11 | rwhitby-web | will the slug sit nicely on top of it ? |
| 04:55.19 | tjyang | good night all. it is midnight here. |
| 04:55.39 | rwhitby-web | night tjyang, |
| 04:55.40 | jacques | ka6sox I have built two of those and two of the model with builtin video - oops I forgot about video - the SN45 does not have onboard |
| 04:55.45 | jacques | later tjyang-away |
| 04:56.28 | ka6sox | forget video...its unnecessary after getting an OS on it. |
| 04:56.35 | jacques | holy crap |
| 04:56.37 | ka6sox | and I have 3 AGP video cards. |
| 04:56.55 | jacques | i was looking at wrong model - newegg only wants $204.00 for the SN45 |
| 04:57.01 | jacques | http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=56-101-455&depa=0 |
| 04:57.19 | jacques | centralcomputer wants $250 |
| 04:59.11 | jacques | BTW this is the same spec as my main build box so I know how it performs :-) |
| 05:00.12 | ka6sox | can it build the entire packages build in an hour or so? |
| 05:00.43 | jacques | well I generally get around 60-70 minutes on a bb unslung-image build |
| 05:00.55 | jacques | I haven't built all the packages in a while - I should try |
| 05:01.13 | ka6sox | make distclean. |
| 05:01.23 | jacques | rwhitby-web, to answer your question, you can fid 12 slugs on top of it :-) |
| 05:01.32 | jacques | hmm maybe 15 |
| 05:01.50 | rwhitby-web | or maybe 8 with cables |
| 05:01.56 | jacques | ok only 10 :-\ |
| 05:02.03 | jacques | 2 deep - not three |
| 05:03.10 | jacques | I'll start a build now - updating cvs |
| 05:03.24 | ka6sox | that should take an hour by itself! |
| 05:03.45 | jacques | :-( |
| 05:04.21 | jacques | it's up to 'n' |
| 05:04.49 | jacques | making distclean |
| 05:05.18 | jacques | does that remove toolchain? |
| 05:05.32 | rwhitby-web | no |
| 05:05.50 | jacques | ok so for this test make distclean is OK |
| 05:05.57 | rwhitby-web | it does remove crosstool-native though |
| 05:06.16 | rwhitby-web | distclean is the benchmark |
| 05:06.17 | jacques | np |
| 05:06.39 | jacques | then just 'time make' right? wanna sure I get it right |
| 05:07.54 | jacques | hmm package downloading time should not count :-( |
| 05:11.29 | rwhitby-web | yep, time make all |
| 05:12.11 | jacques | it's going |
| 05:16.15 | jacques | bind is a monster |
| 05:20.12 | ka6sox | and so is subversion |
| 05:20.32 | jacques | yep |
| 05:47.10 | rwhitby-web | jacques: what OS flavour are you running on your build host? |
| 05:47.58 | jacques | gentoo |
| 05:48.42 | rwhitby-web | ka6sox: and I were discussion what the new build machine should run (btw, we need a good name for it to go with "gastro") |
| 05:51.29 | ka6sox | intestinal. |
| 05:51.44 | ka6sox | or GI for short. |
| 05:51.47 | jacques | I'm not one of those ppl who thinks everyone should run gentoo just because I do |
| 05:52.30 | ka6sox | it certianly maximimizes what you can get out of your hardware. |
| 05:52.59 | jacques | I think so |
| 05:53.37 | jacques | but that's a giant debate in and of itself - some ppl say more damage is done by all the optimizations than good (I disagree) |
| 05:54.12 | jacques | personally I like the optimizations and the USE flags |
| 05:54.15 | rwhitby-web | I think we need something where we can easily document the build host configuration, so that other developers can replicate it on their machines. |
| 05:54.31 | rwhitby-web | we cannot customize our official build hosts at all is my opinion |
| 05:55.41 | ka6sox | debian or fedora core |
| 05:55.45 | ka6sox | and I run debian. |
| 05:55.59 | jacques | i would choose debian over FC any day |
| 05:56.36 | jacques | and I think testing is a good choice |
| 05:56.55 | ka6sox | 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
| 05:57.41 | jacques | I run 2.4 on my desktops still but mostly because I haven't made the time to try the upgrade |
| 05:58.38 | ka6sox | okay if you have a fresh install then what? |
| 05:58.50 | jacques | hmm? |
| 05:59.39 | jacques | also, I have kernel config files for 2.4 wihch work on my machines |
| 05:59.51 | jacques | it's just a job to upgrade |
| 06:00.44 | ka6sox | I am quite comfortable with building custom kernels based on needs. |
| 06:02.16 | jacques | me too, but the config files I have took a long time to get right |
| 06:02.33 | jacques | and until recently, nvidia binary drivers didn't support 2.6 - stuff like that |
| 06:03.09 | jacques | before the fix was put in the kernel, I had to do special things to avoid hangs due to ACPI |
| 06:03.50 | rwhitby-web | we've hit $1000 of donations, with $300 spent, and $700 in the bank. |
| 06:04.00 | ka6sox | kewl |
| 06:04.37 | ka6sox | jacques if you send me the kernel configs and what kernel they are for I can build them custom for our box. |
| 06:06.41 | jacques | crap I didn't know make all did all the testing stuff too :-( |
| 06:06.55 | jacques | and unsorted pacakges |
| 06:07.23 | jacques | why does it try to build the unsorted packages ? |
| 06:08.29 | jacques | and crosstool-native last - that's gonna add some time |
| 06:09.08 | jacques | the unsorted stuff doesn't make much sense |
| 06:09.30 | jacques | if I hadn't done make -k all it would probably have errored out several times by now |
| 06:13.42 | rwhitby-web | jacques: no it's not doing testing, when we upgrade automake to 1.9 on builds I think it broke some packages. |
| 06:13.59 | rwhitby-web | the unsorted should still build, it just hasn't been tested native. |
| 06:14.27 | jacques | hmm I thought I saw some errors fly by on the gift stuff |
| 06:15.42 | jacques | ok I think all it has left now is the crosstool-native |
| 06:16.52 | ka6sox | so a little over an hour. |
| 06:17.05 | jacques | yeah it's going to be over an hour :-( |
| 06:30.35 | rwhitby-web | http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Info/DonationList |
| 06:32.50 | ka6sox | new one coming up! |
| 06:38.33 | jacques | almost exactly 90 minutes, including a few minutes of downloading source |
| 06:38.46 | christopher | should the donation list should have a link in the sidebar? |
| 06:39.07 | scanline | rwhitby-web: nice. what do the donations get used for? |
| 06:42.59 | christopher | ~tuesday |
| 06:43.00 | jbot | Tuesday sucks, because it follows Monday (see monday). |
| 06:50.13 | ka6sox | our developers LOVE CIA. |
| 06:50.22 | scanline | :) |
| 06:50.41 | ka6sox | and miss it when it goes MIA. |
| 06:50.44 | scanline | it has a very happy new home now.. should be much more stable |
| 06:53.28 | christopher | wow, hadn't looked at the database in awhile, we have more 3.x unslungers than 1.x or 2.x |
| 06:53.52 | ka6sox | I can tell by the number of ipkg downloads that its getting popular. :) |
| 06:53.58 | christopher | yeah |
| 06:54.44 | christopher | it's cool that the it has taken off so well, and that more and more people are contributing packages |
| 06:54.51 | ka6sox | we need to spread the ipkg download load around. :) |
| 06:55.17 | christopher | how much space do the packages take? |
| 06:55.29 | ka6sox | 200MB so far |
| 06:55.35 | christopher | hmmm |
| 06:56.03 | christopher | the only webspace I have is my university webspace of 125MB |
| 06:56.37 | scanline | how much bandwidth? |
| 06:56.42 | ka6sox | yeah..and its growing as we get more package contributers... |
| 06:56.48 | christopher | hmmm, not sure |
| 06:56.55 | christopher | don't know that there is a hard limit |
| 06:57.26 | scanline | but maybe I should wait to see how close I am to the limit already |
| 06:57.35 | ka6sox | good plan |
| 06:57.47 | rwhitby-web | yeah, we had to move ipk back to sf.net cause of bandwidth |
| 06:58.13 | rwhitby-web | donations were used for sending slug hardware to developers, and now for a build slug and build host for the packages. |
| 06:58.27 | rwhitby-web | I guess we should add that to the page :-) |
| 06:59.06 | scanline | if you need a nice web server and have some donation money to spare, I've had a great experience with linode |
| 07:00.16 | ka6sox | linode? |
| 07:00.23 | scanline | http://linode.com |
| 07:00.29 | scanline | UML virtual servers |
| 07:00.51 | scanline | they're a little low on CPU for building, but you can run anything you want on them |
| 07:01.47 | christopher | I have 300MB on my engineering account, but I'm sure support wouldn't be happy if I was using massive amounts of bandwidth |
| 07:02.43 | christopher | :_) |
| 07:02.45 | scanline | :) |
| 07:02.49 | christopher | :-) |
| 07:03.00 | scanline | the linode 128 that I run CIA on has 50GB/month |
| 07:03.03 | scanline | :) |
| 07:04.38 | christopher | ipkg traffic is approx, 1 GB per day |
| 07:04.52 | christopher | from the stats |
| 07:05.32 | scanline | nod |
| 07:08.50 | christopher | I'm thinking about switching from suse to debian anyone have any thoughts? |
| 07:09.16 | kergoth`bbl | i hear good things about ubuntu. |
| 07:09.37 | ka6sox | I run Debian on everything from deeply embedded to n-WAY SMP systems here. |
| 07:09.45 | christopher | ubuntu? |
| 07:09.54 | kergoth`bbl | relatively new debian based desktop distro |
| 07:10.20 | christopher | i'll look into it |
| 07:10.24 | kergoth`bbl | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ |
| 07:10.35 | christopher | thanks |
| 07:10.42 | kergoth`bbl | np |
| 07:10.56 | kergoth`bbl | i use debian on all my machines (other than embedded ones, naturally), myself |
| 07:11.07 | kergoth`bbl | planning on trying ubuntu myself one of these days |
| 07:12.35 | christopher | i like the idea of apts versus RPMs |
| 07:13.03 | kergoth`bbl | you mean debs? the package format is deb. apt is a tool, not unlike yum, only less slow and annoying |
| 07:13.26 | christopher | oh, ok |
| 07:14.00 | rwhitby-web | http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Info/DonationList - updated with what we've spent it on .... |
| 07:14.33 | rwhitby-web | scanline: we'd like to make a donation to CIA too - what's a reasonable amount ? |
| 07:17.50 | rwhitby-web | I'd like to send $20 (our median donation amount) to CIA. Any objections? Anyone think we should send more? |
| 07:18.39 | christopher | no objections here, I need to get around to donating sometime, need to find my paypal account information |
| 07:20.55 | rwhitby-web | scanline: $20 sent - please list it as a donation from nslu2-linux.org, not from me personally. |
| 07:22.26 | rwhitby-web | back later |
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| 07:22.31 | scanline | rwhitby-web: ooh neat. thank you muchly :) |
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| 07:31.06 | ka6sox | what ever happened with esr's Industrial Strength Linux? |
| 07:37.35 | jacques | christopher we should talk to the OSUOSL |
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| 08:33.13 | christopher | about? |
| 08:33.46 | christopher | jacques: abou hosting? |
| 08:33.55 | christopher | s /abou/about |
| 08:36.20 | jacques | christopher yes, that's one of their main functions |
| 08:36.25 | christopher | yes |
| 08:36.26 | jacques | hosting open source projects |
| 08:36.30 | christopher | they host several distributions |
| 08:36.34 | christopher | and other projects |
| 08:36.39 | jacques | yep |
| 08:37.53 | christopher | osuosl.org |
| 08:39.58 | ka6sox | this is good news : http://osuosl.org/news_folder/rampup |
| 08:41.19 | jacques | yeah they have an amazing amount of bandwidth and are getting more |
| 08:41.51 | jacques | they host colocated servers for lots of open source projects |
| 08:45.18 | christopher | so, we need to see if they're interested in hosting then? |
| 08:45.41 | ka6sox | I guess we are small potatoes compared to the likes of Mozilla and others. |
| 08:46.21 | christopher | that's my only concern, they're not like a sourceforge really |
| 08:47.11 | jacques | they host some smaller things I think |
| 08:47.27 | jacques | at most we would have to provide the machine |
| 08:47.34 | jacques | and I have some spare shuttles |
| 08:47.44 | christopher | ftp.oregonstate.edu/pub |
| 08:48.06 | christopher | not sure it's all osl though |
| 08:48.18 | christopher | or if they have other things in addition |
| 08:49.21 | christopher | well, it won't hurt to ask |
| 08:51.53 | christopher | tell me if you need me to do anything, for now I'm going to get some sleep |
| 08:52.06 | jacques | later |
| 08:56.39 | giel | how much bandwidth do we need? |
| 08:57.06 | christopher | 1GB per day approx currently, expect growth though |
| 08:57.24 | giel | hm |
| 08:57.25 | giel | ok |
| 08:58.51 | ka6sox | I propose setting up a network of servers that are dns served round robin style. |
| 08:58.59 | ka6sox | that way no one server gets killed. |
| 08:59.52 | giel | nod |
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| 09:43.40 | CIA-7 | 03rwhitby * 10unslung/Makefile: Promoted cups to cross. |
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| 12:12.41 | perlguru-work | goodday |
| 12:13.15 | Tiersten | Hi |
| 12:13.37 | perlguru-work | i have a problem installing CPAN packages; it crashes after a long while, during writing of metadat :( |
| 12:14.14 | perlguru-work | i have put the root homedir on the data partition |
| 12:14.33 | perlguru-work | so, it should be no discspace issue |
| 12:14.49 | perlguru-work | cluez |
| 12:14.51 | perlguru-work | ? |
| 12:15.48 | Tiersten | It writing anything to /tmp? |
| 12:16.41 | perlguru-work | maybe, but i checked using df and it remained on 82% usage |
| 12:16.53 | Tiersten | Dunno. Out of memory? |
| 12:17.19 | rwhitby-around | perlguru-work: it took a good hour for my slug to write cpan metadata |
| 12:17.25 | rwhitby-around | but it did complete |
| 12:17.38 | perlguru-work | also possible, but i checked using top (about 800k free) |
| 12:18.16 | perlguru-work | rwhitby-around: mine did not complete, it crashed and crashed the ssh session |
| 12:18.56 | rwhitby-around | do you have enough swap - I had 128MB of swap and I think it used about half of that. |
| 12:18.59 | perlguru-work | or is putty the cause??? timeout on user-inactivity??? |
| 12:22.22 | CIA-7 | 03rwhitby * 10unslung/Makefile: Promoted lynx and openldap to native only. |
| 12:24.37 | CIA-7 | 03rwhitby * 10unslung/Makefile: Promoted cups to cross and native. |
| 12:32.35 | perlguru-work | is someone working on 'cal' or 'pscal' ? |
| 13:08.53 | rwhitby-around | cross and native feeds are now up to date, including all packages that have recently been promoted from testing. |
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| 13:21.20 | perlguru-work | ok: gcal and pscal compiled nativily on slug. I'll package these up soon (not today) |
| 13:23.08 | rwhitby-around | they wouldn't cross-compile? |
| 13:40.58 | rwhitby-asleep | night all |
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| 13:58.11 | rwhitby-asleep | http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Info/DonationList - the man himself has arrived :-) |
| 13:59.25 | Tiersten | huh? |
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| 13:59.50 | Tiersten | ahh |
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| 15:53.00 | ByronT | grrrr... sf.net tells you to wait 20 minutes for a SSH key to be mirrored around... they should tell you to wait 24 hours |
| 15:53.13 | ByronT | Now, I authenticate via ssh |
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| 17:42.50 | ByronT | jacques, PING! |
| 17:43.43 | ByronT | or anyother dev with linux experience to help on NOTES.... |
| 17:44.46 | CIA-7 | 03paulhargreaves * 10unslung/sources/xmail/ (control postinst prerm): Initial creation of xmail |
| 17:45.40 | CIA-7 | 03paulhargreaves * 10unslung/make/ (vim.mk xmail.mk): Initial version of vim |
| 18:10.05 | ByronT | SWEET! I have bk working completely on Windows XP.... |
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| 18:33.51 | ByronT | paulhar, you've helped quite a few ppl in mailing list... |
| 18:34.28 | ByronT | we're trying to get newbie questions out of this channel and into another one... feel free to join the other channel |
| 18:34.37 | ByronT | ~nslu2-general |
| 18:34.38 | jbot | #nslu2-general is the IRC channel specifically set up for end-user questions about the NSLU2 device. Questions that are not related to the nslu2-linux development projects should not be asked in #nslu2-linux, but should be asked in #nslu2-general instead. |
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| 18:39.11 | paulhar | Sorry about that - I'm beginning to give up on the java version of IRC... |
| 18:39.32 | ByronT | paulhar, did you get any of what I posted to you? |
| 18:40.44 | paulhar | Did the xmail and vim packages upload properly? I had no visibility other than the commit and since it's my first time and all... |
| 18:40.50 | ByronT | they did |
| 18:41.00 | paulhar | What happens now? |
| 18:41.08 | ByronT | [11:44] <CIA-7> paulhargreaves * unslung/sources/xmail/ (control postinst prerm): Initial creation of xmail |
| 18:41.08 | ByronT | [11:45] <CIA-7> paulhargreaves * unslung/make/ (vim.mk xmail.mk): Initial version of vim |
| 18:43.03 | ByronT | christopher-zzz, http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenEmbedded/BitKeeperXP for instructions getting BK to work with XP |
| 18:43.16 | ByronT | I'll link into the main BK page when possible |
| 18:43.35 | ByronT | gotta go for now... Family emergency... |
| 18:43.54 | kergoth | ByronT: you might want to add a note to the page saying that having cygwin installed with cygwin openssh will make it "just work" as well. |
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| 19:47.32 | giel | [g2]: i've added myself to the openslug list |
| 19:47.48 | giel | [g2]: and i'm doing some linuxrc experiments in switchbox |
| 19:47.57 | [g2] | giel, excellent ! Thx |
| 19:49.22 | [g2] | giel, are you pivot_root'ing to the hdd ? |
| 19:49.32 | giel | i'm trying to |
| 19:49.38 | giel | but it fails for now |
| 19:49.45 | [g2] | really ? |
| 19:50.01 | giel | well, don't really know what happens, but i was just figuring out |
| 19:50.12 | giel | i can access the hdd from inside switchbox |
| 19:52.44 | rwhitby-zzzz | giel: are you startiing with switchbox 4.x? |
| 19:52.57 | giel | rwhitby-zzzz: uh i guess not |
| 19:53.09 | giel | i just modified the one in my openslug-image |
| 19:53.11 | rwhitby-zzzz | cause it does that already |
| 19:53.20 | VoodooZ_log | hey [g2] |
| 19:53.27 | [g2] | VoodooZ_log, hey! |
| 19:53.35 | giel | lemme check that out then |
| 19:53.38 | VoodooZ_log | ANything new? |
| 19:54.05 | VoodooZ_log | Have you seen the CELF link that kergoth posted a few days ago to optimize boot time? |
| 19:54.19 | rwhitby-zzzz | giel: in the unslung-4.x repo |
| 19:54.21 | VoodooZ_log | I installed the kernel patch to add timing info to printk |
| 19:54.28 | giel | rwhitby-zzzz: k |
| 19:54.38 | [g2] | VoodooZ_log, I think I saw the link but no further |
| 19:54.47 | [g2] | VoodooZ_log, how's the patch going ? |
| 19:54.57 | VoodooZ_log | hard to tell really. |
| 19:55.22 | VoodooZ_log | THere's a bunch of long delays that are "hidden" but significant (10+ secs) |
| 19:55.52 | rwhitby-zzzz | giel: dyoung and glc wrote it and tested it |
| 19:56.30 | VoodooZ_log | Especially the 11 seconds one after The "Freeing init memory: 76K" line |
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| 19:56.51 | VoodooZ_log | The stupid CSR modules also slow down the boot considerably. |
| 19:56.58 | [g2] | that'd probably be when it's mounting jffs2 |
| 19:57.04 | VoodooZ_log | yeah. |
| 19:57.17 | [g2] | depending |
| 19:57.19 | paulhar-cooking | It's a shame ipkg update doesn't show what new packages appear. |
| 19:57.19 | VoodooZ_log | Of course now that I'm addicted to it it's hard to get rid of it. |
| 19:57.39 | giel | uhm |
| 19:57.44 | giel | what IS the unslung4 repo? |
| 19:58.10 | VoodooZ_log | whatever comes before the "VFS: Mounted root (jffs2 filesystem) readonly." line takes like 8 seconds. |
| 19:58.15 | rwhitby-away | b*sh |
| 19:58.15 | [g2] | VoodooZ_log, do you have that CELF link handy ? |
| 19:58.25 | VoodooZ_log | Let me get it for u. |
| 19:58.29 | rwhitby-away | oops - wrong window |
| 19:58.37 | [g2] | VoodooZ_log, that's the mount of jffs2 |
| 19:58.49 | VoodooZ_log | It's a good read but most of the optimizations are only < 1secs. |
| 20:00.16 | VoodooZ_log | http://tree.celinuxforum.org/ |
| 20:00.20 | [g2] | thx |
| 20:01.07 | VoodooZ_log | Check the wiki. It's real easy to install the InstrumentedPrintk patch for our kernel. add patch and add a CONFIG_ entry to your defconfig. |
| 20:02.07 | CIA-7 | 03rwhitby * 10unslung/make/libjpeg.mk: Fixed the staging target. |
| 20:02.34 | VoodooZ_log | Then you need only copy the dmesg stuff in a file and parse it with the included script. |
| 20:03.16 | [g2] | VoodooZ_log, which bt adapter are you using ? |
| 20:03.19 | VoodooZ_log | It doesn't cover the whole boot unfortunately though. We'd need something for the RC scripts and the userland stuff. |
| 20:03.52 | VoodooZ_log | I'm using an older USB1.1 Bluegear one (www.amazingtech.com) that Radio-shack had on liquidation a few months ago. |
| 20:04.04 | VoodooZ_log | they are all pretty much supported though. |
| 20:04.45 | [g2] | I'd probably like to bring up BT, I"m wondering if I'll have the same problem as with the USBnet drivers |
| 20:04.51 | [g2] | the upper IP receive issue |
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| 20:05.14 | VoodooZ_log | nope. Works like a charm. check the bluez page, they have tons of FAQ and howtos. |
| 20:05.16 | [g2] | actually IP packet upper layer processing issue |
| 20:05.25 | VoodooZ_log | I can help with the ethernet emulation |
| 20:05.54 | VoodooZ_log | I can ssh in my robot from accross the house. How cool is that! |
| 20:06.17 | [g2] | I plugged in the usb-to-usb adpater and it works except for the recieve issue just like the usb adapter |
| 20:06.27 | [g2] | VERY COOL ! |
| 20:06.31 | VoodooZ_log | usb-to-usb adapter? |
| 20:06.44 | [g2] | nod. |
| 20:06.52 | VoodooZ_log | odd. |
| 20:07.03 | VoodooZ_log | with uclibc or? |
| 20:07.08 | [g2] | glibc |
| 20:07.12 | VoodooZ_log | I've been using glibc. |
| 20:07.36 | VoodooZ_log | did you use the bnep module? |
| 20:07.59 | [g2] | I haven't tried BT yet |
| 20:08.19 | VoodooZ_log | oh. sorry I got confused for a sec. |
| 20:08.40 | [g2] | the usb-to-usb sets up a IP network between to USB2.0 hosts over Usb2.0 |
| 20:08.46 | VoodooZ_log | ic. |
| 20:09.03 | [g2] | kinda like cheap .5 Gigabit :) |
| 20:09.18 | VoodooZ_log | I did have some weird protocol problems lately. |
| 20:09.43 | [g2] | what problems ? |
| 20:10.11 | VoodooZ_log | not too sure. I was getting errors using dhcp on eth0. |
| 20:10.21 | VoodooZ_log | I can't remember the error though. |
| 20:11.32 | VoodooZ_log | I think I messed up my good configuration trying to remove udev and moving my static stuff to modules. |
| 20:11.39 | VoodooZ_log | I was trying to see if it was faster. |
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| 20:19.33 | giel | oh how much easier this all would be if i had a serial port |
| 20:19.34 | giel | :( |
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| 20:25.37 | giel | okay, i'll look into it further tomorrow |
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| 20:46.16 | christopher-zzz | ByronT thank you |
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| 21:20.59 | ByronT | kergoth, for whatever reason I was unable to get cygwin openssh to work at all |
| 21:22.55 | rwhitby-away | hi FireEgl |
| 21:23.47 | kergoth | ByronT: that's odd, it has always worked great for me, on all my windows machines |
| 21:26.11 | ByronT | regrettably, I only tried once or twice and then when BitMover started helping me (when they really weren't supposed to), I kept going for the PuTTy way |
| 21:26.37 | kergoth | nod |
| 21:26.47 | kergoth | i tend to prefer putty for ssh anyway, but use cygwin for other things |
| 21:27.00 | ByronT | I think one issue that I had with cygwin was inability for me to force a specific folder for the repo store |
| 21:27.30 | ByronT | I'll add to that page about cygwin... but no instructions... :) |
| 21:28.02 | kergoth | what do you mean by inability to force a specific folder for the repo store? |
| 21:28.31 | ByronT | c:\Documents and Settings\ByronT\NSLU2-Linux\BK Repo\.... |
| 21:29.21 | ByronT | I couldn't navigate to that location with cygwin - I'm sure that I was doing something wrong |
| 21:29.29 | kergoth | you can. |
| 21:29.30 | ByronT | but then BitMover called.. |
| 21:29.33 | Tiersten | You can |
| 21:29.38 | kergoth | cd /cygdrive/c/Documents\ and\ Settings/ |
| 21:29.39 | kergoth | etc |
| 21:29.43 | Tiersten | What kergoth said |
| 21:30.40 | ByronT | I must have bugged the BitMover guy enough because he left me with "something is going on with PuTTy" and told me I was on my own |
| 21:30.49 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:30.56 | ByronT | and then called two hours later to tell me he had figured it out... |
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| 21:34.01 | giel | all the hassle with cygwin and putty |
| 21:34.06 | giel | you guys must have a hard time |
| 21:34.06 | giel | :P |
| 21:34.10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:34.24 | ByronT | it's a PITA, that's for sure.... |
| 21:34.40 | ByronT | but provides a decent living fixing issues for clients... :) |
| 21:36.23 | ByronT | I'm really OS agnostic... Linux servers with Windows clients are at most clients, iMac at home... |
| 21:37.12 | giel | well, i don't care all that much either, but if i'm to choose i run linux |
| 21:37.46 | giel | but i don't go out forcing it on other ppl |
| 21:38.09 | giel | well, i'm off |
| 21:38.11 | giel | l8r |
| 21:38.15 | ByronT | I was forced to use SUN OS at college... that probably kept me from wanting to use Linux for the longest time |
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| 22:15.05 | bob_tm | siddy-away: Is stunnel supposed to be in /opt/bin or /opt/sbin? I'm trying to get webmin to run and it just looked strange. |
| 22:15.27 | ByronT | webmin on a slug?!!!! |
| 22:15.35 | bob_tm | Yes |
| 22:16.10 | ByronT | that requires a special keeewwwlll |
| 22:16.15 | bob_tm | Is that (a) immoral, (b) impossible or (c) just plain stupid. |
| 22:16.36 | bob_tm | ...or (d) all of the above. |
| 22:16.53 | ByronT | maybe (b) but hopefully (e) none of the above |
| 22:17.19 | bob_tm | We'll see. The usefullness depends on the config one has. |
| 22:17.44 | bob_tm | I'm worried about the speed. but I think memory will be ok for most things |
| 22:17.56 | ByronT | I assume we're talking openslug though |
| 22:18.01 | bob_tm | No |
| 22:18.03 | bob_tm | Unslung |
| 22:18.19 | ByronT | (b) is more possible... :) |
| 22:18.22 | bob_tm | ...so usefullness is limited. |
| 22:18.29 | bob_tm | We'll see. |
| 22:18.40 | ByronT | for the record, I love webmin |
| 22:18.48 | bob_tm | ~praise webmin |
| 22:18.50 | jbot | All hail webmin! |
| 22:18.57 | ByronT | ~botsnack |
| 22:18.57 | jbot | aw, gee, ByronT |
| 22:20.19 | bob_tm | With Samba 3 there is more to deal with. |
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| 22:27.09 | janne | Hi, a question, just installed openslug, how to I telnet ssh into it? |
| 22:27.45 | ByronT | you sure you don't mean unslung? |
| 22:28.46 | dyoung | ssh 192.168.1.77 unless you changed the addresss. |
| 22:28.56 | janne | Pretty sure it was openslug (openslug-nslu2-20050127175737.flashdisk.img) |
| 22:29.14 | ByronT | okee... :) |
| 22:31.25 | janne | strange, it boots nice, but does not want to ssh or telnet, any idea? |
| 22:31.38 | bob_tm | It pings? |
| 22:32.05 | janne | jepp, a shorter tone than unslung |
| 22:32.10 | bob_tm | :-) |
| 22:32.27 | bob_tm | Any TCP ports responding at all? |
| 22:32.30 | dyoung | how long did you wait on your first boot? |
| 22:33.46 | dyoung | and are you serial enabled? |
| 22:34.11 | janne | booted real fast, 15 sek, nop no serial |
| 22:34.51 | dyoung | it should ltake a while on first boot while it populates the network interface info. |
| 22:35.27 | janne | does it need a driver or a flash to work? |
| 22:36.35 | dyoung | if you built openslug recently (like within th epast week) that will work as described. |
| 22:37.16 | dyoung | first boot, wait for a while like 5-10min to be safe |
| 22:37.25 | dyoung | 2nd boot, network should come up |
| 22:37.32 | dyoung | andyou can ssh 192.168.1.77 |
| 22:37.41 | dyoung | I dont htink telnet is enabled by default. |
| 22:38.23 | janne | ok |
| 22:39.15 | janne | the network diod is blinking anyway :) |
| 22:48.22 | janne | another question, while I wait for my slow slug ... I saw a bug report that gcc don't find all lib and header files, something in 'specs' file |
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