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| 00:28.53 | garpinc | anyone here? |
| 00:29.25 | garpinc | Anyone know if there is a libstdc++.so somewhere or an alterative? |
| 00:31.57 | rt | uh, yeah. /share/hdd/data/opt/armeb/armv5b-softfloat-linux/lib/libstdc++.so |
| 00:32.51 | garpinc | How do I install it on the slug? |
| 00:33.40 | garpinc | Which pkg is it in? |
| 00:36.41 | rt | crosstools-native |
| 00:37.37 | garpinc | But why would I need to install crosstools-native to get jikes to run? |
| 00:38.47 | jacques | hi rt what's new? |
| 00:40.24 | rt | not much. Trying to decide which linux variant to install on my box. |
| 00:40.40 | rt | still having difficulty with sf/checking in nslu2 stuff. |
| 00:40.59 | garpinc | rt: Do you have an answer for me |
| 00:41.11 | jacques | hmm that's not good about sf problems |
| 00:41.26 | rt | garpinc: sorry. Uh, if it needs libstdc++, that's where it's gonna get it from. |
| 00:41.39 | jacques | there's a libstdc++.ipk now |
| 00:42.18 | garpinc | When I do: ipkg install libstdc++ doesn't seem to find it.. |
| 00:46.19 | garpinc | jaques.. Do you have an answer for me? |
| 00:59.07 | dyoung | garpinc, have you installed unslung-feeds yet? |
| 00:59.25 | garpinc | I don't know what that is? |
| 00:59.41 | dyoung | updated feed locations. |
| 00:59.46 | dyoung | ipkg install unslung-feeds |
| 01:00.04 | garpinc | So I'll bite... What will that do? |
| 01:00.17 | dyoung | give you access to new feeds locations. |
| 01:00.29 | dyoung | including native and cross feeds. |
| 01:00.38 | garpinc | And this iss what everyone should be doing? |
| 01:00.44 | dyoung | libstdc++ is new enough its probably only there. |
| 01:01.06 | garpinc | ok I'll install it... Thanks... |
| 01:02.19 | garpinc | dyoung so I should put libstdc++ as a dependency in control file right? |
| 01:04.36 | dyoung | Actually its in the old repo also, so you'd probably need to do a ipkg update. |
| 01:05.00 | garpinc | I figured that one out. |
| 01:05.16 | garpinc | What should the dependencies be in control file? |
| 01:05.26 | dyoung | which control file? |
| 01:05.30 | garpinc | unslung-feeds and libstd++ |
| 01:05.43 | garpinc | control file for jikes which I'm about to check in. |
| 01:05.58 | dyoung | If it needs it, then yes. ;-) |
| 01:06.12 | garpinc | unslung-feeds or just libstd++ |
| 01:06.27 | dyoung | just libstdc++ |
| 01:06.36 | garpinc | ok thanks... |
| 01:06.45 | dyoung | if someone is ipkg install-ing jikes, they would have had to have ipkg update-d. |
| 01:09.49 | jacques | did I forget a dep for jikes? |
| 01:09.57 | jacques | I acn fix that |
| 01:10.00 | jacques | can |
| 01:10.38 | garpinc | Ok damn... After I changed feed now I can't check in jikes... I guess it was already compilesd. |
| 01:10.57 | garpinc | Ok so a bunch of wasted effort... :-( |
| 01:11.30 | CIA-7 | 03djf * 10unslung/sources/jikes/control: added dep: libstdc++ |
| 01:12.09 | garpinc | So jacques which version of jikes did you do? |
| 01:13.54 | garpinc | jaques? |
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| 02:58.12 | kergoth | goodnewscd: stop spamming the channel. |
| 03:00.32 | jacques | yeah it's very annoying |
| 03:16.18 | [g2] | jacques, did you ever play with kas11's io drivers ? |
| 03:19.01 | jacques | no |
| 03:26.39 | dyoung | [g2] whats the question? |
| 03:27.02 | [g2] | did you use kas11's io driver's ? |
| 03:27.17 | dyoung | Yeah, I saw that part. I meant specifically... |
| 03:28.21 | [g2] | I mean I'd like to use the driver to change the LED status for OpenSlug booting and normal operation |
| 03:28.58 | dyoung | ok that stuff should work. |
| 03:29.21 | [g2] | and what's the interface ? |
| 03:29.35 | [g2] | just tweak a /proc/... value ? |
| 03:29.50 | [g2] | How does one access the stuff from userland |
| 03:30.06 | [g2] | do I need to do ioctl calls ? |
| 03:30.33 | dyoung | I havnt looked at in in a while. Let me refresh my memory. one moment. |
| 03:34.29 | dyoung | I remember now. |
| 03:34.47 | dyoung | Userland app doesnt exist yet for leds |
| 03:36.05 | [g2] | OK |
| 03:36.27 | [g2] | well that'd be kinda useful :) |
| 03:37.10 | dyoung | the powerbutton userland app sorta works. |
| 03:37.14 | dyoung | can use that as a base. |
| 03:37.44 | [g2] | where might that be ? |
| 03:39.33 | dyoung | do you have openn2 checked out? |
| 03:40.17 | [g2] | last I checked I couldn't check it out |
| 03:40.26 | [g2] | no anonymous |
| 03:40.45 | [g2] | I'm browsing CVS web right now |
| 03:41.12 | dyoung | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.sf.net/cvsroot/openn2 co openn2 |
| 03:41.14 | dyoung | works now |
| 03:41.30 | dyoung | but in any case its in source/daemons |
| 03:42.04 | [g2] | nod, that worked now THX |
| 03:42.36 | dyoung | I had some other example stuff written; but I cant find it right now. |
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| 04:28.57 | rt | dum dee see. |
| 04:42.27 | CIA-7 | 03djf * 10unslung/ (3 files in 2 dirs): initial checkin - builds native - cross, staging, and packaging still being tested |
| 05:15.35 | CIA-7 | 03djf * 10unslung/sources/libxml2/control: added dep: zlib |
| 05:15.48 | CIA-7 | 03djf * 10unslung/make/libxml2.mk: now builds cross, stages, and packages |
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| 05:35.58 | garpinc | Is there anyone here that can try: make classpath |
| 05:36.23 | garpinc | I'm running into a kernel bug here I think. But one of you might be able to package it. |
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| 07:12.49 | dyoung | hi rwhitby-away. |
| 07:13.00 | ka6sox | hi dyoung |
| 07:13.32 | dyoung | 300G wasnt enough. |
| 07:13.40 | ka6sox | ouch! |
| 07:13.47 | ka6sox | you need another 300G? |
| 07:14.14 | dyoung | the correct thing to do is sort though this stuff and burn it to dvd. |
| 07:14.17 | dyoung | BUT... |
| 07:14.26 | dyoung | I need immediate results. |
| 07:15.30 | ka6sox | did you get a DVD burner model? |
| 07:16.35 | ka6sox | or do you have an external burner? |
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| 07:18.25 | dyoung | firewire. |
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| 07:25.57 | garpinc | Is there an unslung version of unzip? |
| 07:43.36 | CIA-7 | 03garpinc * 10unslung/make/classpath.mk: |
| 07:43.36 | CIA-7 | Final compilation complete and tested: Note to self 1) must have |
| 07:43.36 | CIA-7 | sufficient swap 2) must have zip installed |
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| 07:46.11 | garpinc | jacques: jamvm + classpath + your jikes = full java environment. I tested it. |
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| 08:23.11 | jacques | do we know who maintains libtool.mk ? |
| 08:23.49 | jacques | it's not installing nearly enough of itself to be useful |
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| 08:29.04 | perlguru-work | morning |
| 08:30.00 | jacques | morning perlguru-work |
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| 11:22.19 | CIA-7 | 03rwhitby * 10unslung/Makefile: Promoted which and jikes to unsorted, and libxml2 to cross and native. |
| 11:27.28 | rwhitby | e |
| 11:27.28 | rwhitby | re |
| 11:27.46 | rwhitby | (a typo in a two letter word - that's not a good start to the evening ...) |
| 11:28.39 | dyoung | e. |
| 11:28.47 | dyoung | h! |
| 11:29.02 | dyoung | I'm native build enabled now. |
| 11:30.26 | rwhitby | cool. what was the problem? |
| 11:30.54 | dyoung | I didnt have a hard drive attached. |
| 11:31.17 | dyoung | but i got two new Slugs. |
| 11:31.33 | dyoung | so now I have prodslugA and prodslugB. |
| 11:32.42 | rwhitby | dyoung's SlugFarm |
| 11:33.15 | dyoung | I am halfway wondering if distcc works. |
| 11:33.56 | dyoung | Then I can use 4.x to NFS mount the rootfs from (someplace) and possibly effectively have a SlugFarm. |
| 11:36.15 | rwhitby | any reason why I shouldn't release 3.18 ? |
| 11:37.42 | dyoung | I cant think of one, but on the other hande I havnt had a chance to test/look at anything over the past 3 weeks |
| 11:38.11 | dyoung | I was internet crippled until a few hours ago. |
| 11:42.38 | rwhitby | release candidate for 3.18 is in the openembedded repo |
| 11:42.54 | rwhitby | main change is the path in rc.sysinit, and fixing the permissions on /dev/null and /tmp |
| 11:43.16 | rwhitby | oh, and adding uname to slingbox so it can be used to determine whether you are native or not |
| 11:44.28 | dyoung | what about the copy of /dev.state to /dev ? |
| 11:45.01 | dyoung | 3.17 and earlier didnt have -p to preseve permissions |
| 11:45.20 | dyoung | uh, rc.sysinit |
| 11:51.23 | rwhitby | yeah, you fixed that, right? |
| 11:52.06 | perlguru-work | can we have a busybox lite? like a busybox without what is in coreutils/prosps? |
| 11:52.45 | rwhitby | and findutils, and sed, and gawk, and ..., and ... - where do you stop? |
| 11:54.04 | rwhitby | I think a better goal is making sure that everything in busybox has a full-blown counterpart |
| 11:54.17 | rwhitby | so you can install busybox, or you can install all the full-blown versions. |
| 11:54.24 | perlguru-work | logger equiv.? |
| 11:54.40 | perlguru-work | sh? |
| 11:55.13 | dyoung | so should we make a special ipk, heavyweight-utils or something that installs all the heavyweight stff? |
| 11:55.34 | rwhitby | perlguru:if there is a subset of busybox applets which only exist in busybox, and do not exist as separate tools, then yes, they should be in a package |
| 11:55.52 | perlguru-work | i had to deinstall busybox to get coreutils properly :( |
| 11:56.13 | rwhitby | correct. you either want a small embedded device (busybox) or a linux server (coreutils) |
| 11:56.18 | rwhitby | you can't have both |
| 11:56.31 | perlguru-work | i know. |
| 11:56.45 | perlguru-work | so, where is the logger equiv? |
| 11:56.57 | rwhitby | why are you asking me? I have no idea. |
| 11:57.08 | rwhitby | ~google logger |
| 11:57.24 | rwhitby | heh |
| 11:57.50 | rwhitby | as I said, if there is a subset of busybox applets which only exist in busybox, and do not exist as separate tools, then yes, they should be in a package |
| 11:57.52 | perlguru-work | syslogd? |
| 11:58.09 | rwhitby | plenty of syslogd alternatives exist |
| 11:58.57 | rwhitby | think about it - your desktop linux box has all these programs you are listing, and doesn't use busybox. therefore the source code exists somewhere |
| 11:59.56 | rwhitby | find that code, create packages, replace busybox |
| 12:00.12 | rwhitby | or use --force-overwrite ... |
| 12:00.34 | perlguru-work | won't work |
| 12:00.37 | rwhitby | or do the work to code all our packages to use alternatives |
| 12:01.49 | rwhitby | what is the real objection to having busybox conflict with all the full-blown packages that replace it? |
| 12:02.15 | rwhitby | (other than not all the full-blown packages have been contributed yet ...) |
| 12:04.55 | rwhitby | bbiab |
| 12:08.31 | dyoung | I cant keep up with the traffic on the ML anymore. |
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| 13:07.53 | caplink811 | hi all |
| 13:08.28 | caplink811 | working on a ipk. found a problem, didn't found a solution |
| 13:08.45 | caplink811 | is anybody familar with sed or/and regex? |
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| 14:03.11 | VoodooZ_work | [g2]: I recompiled and flashed your latest changes and it seems to work fine. |
| 14:03.29 | [g2] | VoodooZ_work, cool |
| 14:03.46 | VoodooZ_work | ALthough I might end up disabling some of it later as It's already slow enough as it without loading that junk CSR too. |
| 14:03.56 | [g2] | the auto config of the network |
| 14:03.58 | VoodooZ_work | Unless you are planning on having a way to disable it? |
| 14:04.06 | VoodooZ_work | I think. |
| 14:04.19 | [g2] | It only runs once |
| 14:04.33 | VoodooZ_work | yep. but it loads the CSR by default right. |
| 14:04.45 | [g2] | well for now |
| 14:05.08 | [g2] | at least one guy has OpenSlugged with out serial |
| 14:05.23 | [g2] | they need that driver loaded |
| 14:05.33 | VoodooZ_work | yep. I saw that. I was jealous so I tried it too. ;) |
| 14:05.57 | VoodooZ_work | yeah, I'm a bit of a special case so I expect to have to do a bit of extra work. |
| 14:05.59 | [g2] | I'm trying to put in the grep_o_less patch and quilt keeps complaining :( |
| 14:06.10 | VoodooZ_work | really? |
| 14:06.35 | [g2] | it doesn't like my patch for some reason and I can't find the rejects |
| 14:06.43 | VoodooZ_work | Feel free to make it better though. I just basically used whatever sed stuff kergoth gave me. |
| 14:06.44 | [g2] | Odd, but true :) |
| 14:07.14 | [g2] | so when did you pull ? |
| 14:07.14 | VoodooZ_work | Maybe I can help. |
| 14:07.27 | VoodooZ_work | about sunday afternoon. I'll pull again right now. |
| 14:07.48 | VoodooZ_work | yep. there's more changes. |
| 14:07.50 | [g2] | did the grep -o show back up for you ? |
| 14:08.06 | [g2] | the sysvinit fixes the sysbootd thing |
| 14:08.29 | VoodooZ_work | I only see some unrelated fixes and a initscripts one. |
| 14:08.30 | [g2] | and which repo are you pulling from ? |
| 14:08.39 | VoodooZ_work | nslu2-linux I believe. |
| 14:08.52 | [g2] | can you double check ? |
| 14:09.00 | VoodooZ_work | confirmed. |
| 14:09.16 | [g2] | Ok that's got my kern_header utility in there :) |
| 14:09.31 | VoodooZ_work | I'll start a new build then. |
| 14:09.49 | VoodooZ_work | Are you saying I should have gotten the grep-o-less fix already? |
| 14:10.09 | [g2] | no it's not there |
| 14:10.32 | [g2] | If i had it working I'd push it to nslu2-linux |
| 14:11.21 | giel | [g2]: openslug without serial possible now? |
| 14:11.40 | [g2] | giel, If you wait 5-10 minutes and reboot on the 2nd try yes |
| 14:11.47 | [g2] | and have a static IP configured |
| 14:12.20 | giel | [g2]: nice... i'll play with it later this week |
| 14:12.35 | [g2] | giel, a init script automatically configures the /etc/network/interfaces file for STATIC ips |
| 14:12.56 | VoodooZ_work | [phone] |
| 14:12.57 | [g2] | the modules dependancies aren't created in time on the first boot |
| 14:13.09 | [g2] | (which is a bug to be fixed) |
| 14:13.28 | giel | and where do you configure the static ip? |
| 14:13.47 | [g2] | from the information in the Linksys SysConf partition |
| 14:13.49 | [g2] | :) |
| 14:13.50 | giel | ah ok |
| 14:14.29 | [g2] | so the module dep info is created but late, and on the reboot its there and the eth0 intf comes up fine |
| 14:14.48 | giel | that's what i needed to be able to see if i can fix things :) |
| 14:15.13 | [g2] | giel are you in the database ? |
| 14:15.21 | giel | what database? |
| 14:15.28 | giel | (so, probably no :P) |
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| 14:15.42 | [g2] | the one on yahoo ? |
| 14:15.51 | [g2] | http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nslu2-linux/database?method=reportRows&tbl=7 |
| 14:16.06 | giel | oh that one, no, i wanted to dig up my yahoo account but somewhere i got distracted |
| 14:16.50 | [g2] | are you running OpenSlug ? |
| 14:17.13 | giel | well, no |
| 14:17.18 | giel | as i still don't have a serial |
| 14:17.37 | [g2] | nod. I think this will help a lot of ppl in that case |
| 14:17.54 | giel | i didn't do anything last week |
| 14:18.02 | [g2] | you've gotten to the Redboot 192.168.0.1 promt on boot ? |
| 14:18.35 | giel | i'm not sure i understand what you mean |
| 14:19.07 | [g2] | There's a 2 second window where you can get to the Redboot prompt via Ethenet on boot |
| 14:19.13 | giel | oh you mean redboot access |
| 14:19.15 | giel | yeah sure |
| 14:19.26 | [g2] | nod. |
| 14:19.51 | [g2] | Just in case something went wrong you could reflash to a different kernel / rootfs |
| 14:19.55 | giel | yeah no prob |
| 14:20.02 | giel | i already did that multiple times |
| 14:20.16 | [g2] | then you are pretty much all set |
| 14:20.20 | giel | yeah |
| 14:20.21 | [g2] | siddy did it the other day |
| 14:20.29 | giel | i want to run openslug as i want to use uclibc |
| 14:21.10 | [g2] | I'll test it with a uclibc build as soon as I fixed 3 things |
| 14:21.34 | [g2] | 1) there a minor patch to hotplug for the grep -o option right now the errors |
| 14:21.46 | giel | well, i don't have any time tonight, but tomorrow night i'll fire up an oe build |
| 14:22.09 | [g2] | 2) Add some code to driver the LEDs to give some visual feedback |
| 14:22.18 | giel | ah that would be nice too |
| 14:22.25 | [g2] | 3) fix the dependancy issue so that it works on the first boot |
| 14:22.42 | [g2] | And also you'll need an ssh client as only dropbear come up |
| 14:22.56 | giel | maybe for 3) you can make some static dependencies, as the basic hardware is the same for everyone |
| 14:23.47 | giel | and wasn't hotplug on boot renamed to coldplug? |
| 14:24.02 | [g2] | giel, that actually #4 or #5, fix bb to create the dep info CROSS, there a bug between binutils and the module dep code |
| 14:24.26 | giel | ah ok |
| 14:24.41 | [g2] | giel, dunno, but it's not in the repo that way :) |
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| 14:40.05 | VoodooZ_work | [g2]: How would an openslug user modify sysconfig? |
| 14:42.14 | [g2] | VoodooZ_work, well initially you can just use the linksys app and web interface |
| 14:43.07 | [g2] | but if you create a /etc/linksysconf file then it won't run and /etc/network/interfaces will be whatever it is |
| 14:44.08 | [g2] | note to self: Item number 6, create utility allowing linksysconf changes from command line |
| 14:44.33 | VoodooZ_work | linksys app? Where? I'm using openslug. |
| 14:44.58 | [g2] | VoodooZ_work, How do you upgrade now ? |
| 14:44.58 | VoodooZ_work | sounds good. |
| 14:45.16 | VoodooZ_work | upgrade? I just flash flashdisk.img everytime |
| 14:45.32 | [g2] | how do you flash |
| 14:45.39 | VoodooZ_work | using redboot |
| 14:46.36 | [g2] | ok, so flash in the original V23.25 firmware and edit the values from the web interface save, and reflash the openslug firmware |
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| 14:47.19 | VoodooZ_work | yucky! never mind. I'll stick with the default values for now. I don't need it the ethernet anyways. Thanks. |
| 14:47.23 | [g2] | or just add the /etc/linksysconf file and tweak you /etc/network/interfaces file and the utility won't run |
| 14:47.29 | VoodooZ_work | yep |
| 14:47.59 | [g2] | I'm trying to move in the right direction |
| 14:48.14 | [g2] | you can reflash your kernel from the openslug command line now |
| 14:48.26 | VoodooZ_work | nice. |
| 14:48.40 | VoodooZ_work | just the kernel or the whole thing? |
| 14:48.44 | [g2] | I've got to run out |
| 14:48.46 | [g2] | just the kernel |
| 14:48.50 | VoodooZ_work | ok. later. |
| 14:49.07 | [g2] | obviously, the modules will need to match in the rootfs too |
| 14:50.03 | [g2] | but I can see soon that one could scp the kernel and a tarball of the modules and, then untar the modules, generate dep, erase and flash kernel and reboot to a new kernel/modules |
| 14:50.28 | [g2] | SpanKY is going to be doing that RSN |
| 14:50.36 | VoodooZ_work | good. |
| 14:50.49 | VoodooZ_work | Any progress on the depmod crap. |
| 14:50.53 | [g2] | I've reflash the kernel part several times |
| 14:51.12 | [g2] | it's #2 on the list after the hotplug patch |
| 14:51.23 | VoodooZ_work | cool. |
| 14:51.41 | [g2] | we should just be able to run the depmod stuff earlier on the first boot |
| 14:51.57 | VoodooZ_work | yeah, would look better overall. |
| 14:52.10 | VoodooZ_work | There's also that modutils startup script junk too. |
| 14:52.32 | VoodooZ_work | ANd is the /etc/modprobe.conf even used? |
| 14:52.48 | [g2] | I think that (generating depmod info in 1st boot in a timely fashion) and the LED feed back are the big issues right now |
| 14:53.15 | [g2] | see you in a bit |
| 14:53.20 | VoodooZ_work | seeya. |
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| 14:53.28 | VoodooZ_work | btw, my leds work ok on the robot. |
| 14:53.47 | [g2]-away | maybe you can work on that part of it :) |
| 14:54.18 | VoodooZ_work | hehehe. I knew you'd say that! I can give you the code. I wouldn't know where to put it though. |
| 14:54.20 | [g2]-away | we just need a little blinky-blinky during boot and solid after it all done |
| 14:54.34 | LarsAC | does anyone know about open firmwares for the Asus WL-HDD ? |
| 14:55.11 | [g2]-away | there's 2 pieces, one in the kernel during boot (that'll be default changes to the driver) and 2 in appland at the end of init |
| 14:55.17 | VoodooZ_work | kas11's driver actually has a blink feature so it would be a matter of installing it. I can do the proggy |
| 14:55.21 | [g2]-away | that'll be an init script |
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| 16:17.48 | ByronT | I'm beginning to realize why doco work is hated... |
| 16:25.56 | ByronT | I am also amazed at the amount of patience that you guys show(ed) toward newbies who don't read/comprehend |
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| 16:32.16 | giel | ByronT: we rock :P |
| 16:47.16 | ByronT | giel, you read the latest "suggestions"? |
| 16:48.06 | ByronT | a self proclaimed "newbie" states that there is not enough emphasis on the password not being changed |
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| 16:50.02 | ByronT | had to change computers... |
| 16:51.22 | ByronT | I'll get the spelling errors corrected today so that I won't have to use my hari kari sword |
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| 17:52.28 | rt | good morning all. |
| 17:58.44 | CIA-7 | 03jp30 * 10unslung/ (make/joe.mk sources/joe/control): added joe's own editor |
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| 18:19.26 | billwernet | tar: unrecognized option `--owner=root' |
| 18:19.43 | rt | running the wrong tar, I suspect. |
| 18:20.00 | billwernet | I was wondering about that... |
| 18:20.14 | rt | ipkg install tar |
| 18:20.23 | billwernet | I get the error message whenever I try to do a make <package>-ipk |
| 18:20.48 | rt | you need to make sure you have bash, tar and a couple of other packages (mentioned in the wiki) |
| 18:21.00 | rt | I know, because I didn't read the docs either. :-) |
| 18:21.17 | ByronT | argh! |
| 18:21.30 | billwernet | I have tried ipkg install tar including with the -force-overwrite option, but it |
| 18:21.42 | billwernet | still complains about tar being part of busybox... |
| 18:22.10 | rt | hmm. |
| 18:22.14 | billwernet | I have also tried the -force-reinstall option |
| 18:22.26 | rt | did it go ahead an install it in /opt/bin anyway? |
| 18:22.30 | billwernet | no |
| 18:22.35 | billwernet | I wish it had.... |
| 18:23.47 | rt | hmm. I just removed and reinstalled it without trouble. |
| 18:23.57 | rt | not sure what the deal is. |
| 18:24.13 | billwernet | something must be messed up on my slug, just not certain what it is... |
| 18:29.02 | billwernet | I was finally able to install tar with the following options in ipkg |
| 18:29.13 | billwernet | ipkg -force-reinstall -force-overwrite -force-depends install tar |
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| 18:35.18 | perlguru | hi |
| 18:36.01 | ByronT | hello |
| 18:39.57 | rt | out of curiosity, what linux distributions do people currently use to cross compile for the slug? |
| 18:40.32 | perlguru | i am using gentoo |
| 18:40.49 | rt | hmm. |
| 18:41.09 | kergoth | it varies. i run debian on my desktops, but often build on remote suse or mandrake machines |
| 18:41.12 | kergoth | why do you ask? |
| 18:41.30 | rt | well, just trying to pick one. Most of my home boxes run freebsd. |
| 18:42.07 | kergoth | debian and gentoo would be my recommendations, particularly if you're clueful |
| 18:42.16 | kergoth | fedora perhaps if you prefer redhat based distros |
| 18:42.24 | rt | see, that's the problem with both of them. They require you to have a clue. |
| 18:42.38 | rt | :-) |
| 18:42.45 | kergoth | what better way to develop one? |
| 18:42.58 | kergoth | best way to learn, jump in head first |
| 18:42.59 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:43.08 | NAiL | heh |
| 18:43.20 | rt | I'm not unsympahthetic to that view, but as I get older I'm forced to forget other stuff to learn new stuff. :-) |
| 18:43.37 | rt | the problem that I have mostly with debian/stable is that it is still running python 2.1. |
| 18:43.44 | kergoth | ew |
| 18:43.47 | kergoth | never use stable |
| 18:43.48 | kergoth | ever |
| 18:43.54 | kergoth | its ancient |
| 18:44.04 | kergoth | you want testing or unstable, preferably unstable |
| 18:44.05 | rt | see, in the freebsd world, we say "only run stable!" |
| 18:44.19 | kergoth | debian's development process is a bit odd |
| 18:44.26 | kergoth | stable releases like once every few years |
| 18:44.44 | rt | yep. That seems silly. |
| 18:45.18 | kergoth | ubuntu looks like it has potential. havent tried that one yet |
| 18:45.40 | rt | those are probably the front runners. |
| 18:45.45 | perlguru | ubuntu is gentoo the debian way ;) |
| 18:45.46 | rt | but I could try debian/unstable. |
| 18:46.12 | rt | gentoo is the distribution for people who think spending all their time tweaking compiles is a good use of their time. :-) |
| 18:46.24 | kergoth | gentoo has lots of great ideas.. |
| 18:46.30 | perlguru | no, you could use precompiled packages |
| 18:46.30 | kergoth | their implementations however, leave a great deal to be desires |
| 18:46.32 | kergoth | desired |
| 18:46.48 | rt | good ideas are only good when implemented. :-) |
| 18:46.54 | kergoth | debian's ideas tend to come out pretty solid.. when they get around to it |
| 18:48.54 | [g2] | distro watch has " Currently, there are a total of 380 Linux distributions and 9 BSD distributions in the database." |
| 18:49.50 | rt | free, open, net, mono, wifi, ... dragonfly... |
| 18:50.10 | [g2] | lite ? |
| 18:50.30 | rt | perhaps. |
| 18:50.46 | ka6sox | if anyone here is mirroring the wiki and ipkg repository now please stop... |
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| 18:52.43 | [g2] | BSD/OS, Closed, DragonFly, ekko, em, Free, Net, Pico, theWall |
| 18:53.33 | JefferyS | Hello, does anyone have a ipkg.conf file on there system? I don't seam to have one and from the ipkg website I might be able to put setting in there so the slug can go through a proxy server to get to the internet. |
| 18:53.56 | rt | oops. meeting. |
| 18:53.57 | rt | bbiab. |
| 18:56.48 | whaq__ | kergoth, you're from openzaurus? |
| 18:57.45 | kergoth | whaq__: yes. started that project. no longer maintain it though, just a core dev/architect now |
| 18:58.13 | whaq__ | kergoth, how's it going? I still have an early zaurus with an old OZ on it.. |
| 18:58.37 | kergoth | fairly well. things got stalled for about a year or so during the transition to using the openembedded build tools and package metadata |
| 18:58.42 | kergoth | 3.5.3 is releasing in march |
| 18:59.12 | kergoth | OE is now used by OZ, the familiar distro for the ipaq, unslung (images), openslug, opensimpad, and others. |
| 18:59.48 | whaq__ | cool |
| 19:00.06 | whaq__ | i've been messing about with openwrt (wrt54g) lately.. |
| 19:00.24 | kergoth | i talked to the openwrt maintainer about the possibility of building that out of oe |
| 19:00.32 | kergoth | they seem pretty interested, since itd reduce their maintainance load |
| 19:00.41 | kergoth | [g2]: yeah, that does suck |
| 19:00.43 | whaq__ | as for pda, been using treo 600 for over a year.. the zaurus had so much potential, but not that practical, at the time anyway.. |
| 19:00.53 | whaq__ | it's a kickass portable linux though. |
| 19:01.43 | [g2] | kergoth, so what's happening with OpenWRT and BB ? |
| 19:01.43 | kergoth | thats pretty true today too. now both GPE and Opie are available, but neither have that large a developer pool |
| 19:01.43 | whaq__ | kergoth, [mbm]? yeah i'm sure it'll speed things up for them.. there are some late addition\changes that are late getting into openwrt build due to that.. |
| 19:01.58 | kergoth | [g2]: not much, its pending me getting off my ass and pulling its kernel and stuff into oe and showing it off |
| 19:02.19 | whaq__ | [g2], what is BB? |
| 19:02.24 | [g2] | bitbake |
| 19:02.26 | kergoth | got stuck on really lame kernel build issues just like the slug ones |
| 19:02.33 | kergoth | references to external codebases with questionable licensing, etc |
| 19:02.39 | [g2] | nod. |
| 19:02.58 | kergoth | worse there, since open source drivers wont build without headers from said external sources.. |
| 19:03.05 | kergoth | and those sources often dont specify a license at all |
| 19:03.08 | kergoth | its just icky |
| 19:03.41 | kergoth | ah well |
| 19:03.43 | kergoth | ~lart linksys |
| 19:03.51 | [g2] | double nod. [g2] is much happier with the NSLU2 sw (except for the CSR/NPE stuff) |
| 19:04.06 | [g2] | ~lart brcm |
| 19:04.13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:04.22 | [g2] | linksys is the good guy :) |
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| 19:05.13 | jacques | oh? |
| 19:05.17 | jacques | how so? |
| 19:05.39 | ka6sox | they went with the Broadcome POS MII |
| 19:05.40 | ka6sox | :P |
| 19:05.41 | caplink811 | hi all |
| 19:06.06 | ByronT | jacques, hold off on that doco push... I'm correcting some spelling errors so that I can leave my hari kari sword in it's box |
| 19:06.17 | [g2] | linksys release a bunch of broadcom stuff with the wrt |
| 19:06.52 | [g2] | take that back |
| 19:07.21 | [g2] | that never posted the source and the release didn't seem available from the main page last I looked |
| 19:07.42 | [g2] | but was still available from within the web site |
| 19:09.29 | ka6sox | jacques, found it? |
| 19:09.34 | jacques | not yet :-\ |
| 19:14.46 | VoodooZ_work | is debian french? |
| 19:14.57 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:15.45 | VoodooZ_work | where is the distro originally from? Unless it's not localized? |
| 19:16.13 | VoodooZ_work | A friend was asking. |
| 19:16.18 | CIA-7 | 03caplink811 * 10unslung/make/tcl.mk: initial checkin |
| 19:16.20 | kergoth | debian is a community endeavor, not a product of a specific company |
| 19:16.28 | kergoth | the community is by its very nature global |
| 19:16.29 | VoodooZ_work | ok. thought so. |
| 19:16.33 | whaq__ | debbie and ian was from canada? us? |
| 19:16.53 | VoodooZ_work | makes sense. |
| 19:18.22 | [g2] | VoodooZ_work, like all things a woman was at the heart of it :) |
| 19:18.30 | CIA-7 | 03caplink811 * 10unslung/sources/tcl/control: initial checkin |
| 19:18.33 | VoodooZ_work | heheheh |
| 19:18.46 | [g2] | Ian Murdock (sp on surname ) |
| 19:19.07 | [g2] | Named it after his girlfriend |
| 19:19.13 | VoodooZ_work | They say women have naturally a better sense of community. |
| 19:19.28 | [g2] | what was it ?? Suse ? |
| 19:19.43 | [g2] | Oh..... Deb.... |
| 19:19.44 | VoodooZ_work | euh? |
| 19:19.54 | [g2] | Deb-Ian |
| 19:19.55 | VoodooZ_work | Debbie? |
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| 20:18.26 | CIA-7 | 03g2 07 * r1.3037 10openembedded/packages/openslug-init/ (openslug-init_0.10.bb openslug-init-0.10/sysconfsetup): Tweak NSLU2 sysconfsetup script to allow loading of Intel modules on first boot |
| 20:18.28 | CIA-7 | 03kergoth 07 * r1.3018.2.23 10openembedded/packages/usbutils/ (usbutils_0.70.bb usbutils_cvs.bb): Fix the usbutils packaging to not include the man page in the main subpackage, add usbutils 0.70 release, and use that by default (bumped DEFAULT_PREFERENCE). |
| 20:18.55 | kergoth | [g2]: when you're doing a pull from upstream, use BK_SILENT=1 |
| 20:19.01 | kergoth | no need to send out hte notifications more than once |
| 20:19.05 | kergoth | (or whomever did that push) |
| 20:19.13 | [g2] | kergoth, OK |
| 20:19.22 | ByronT | need someone to review README and push to repo |
| 20:19.34 | kergoth | BK_SILENT=1 bk push; |
| 20:19.38 | kergoth | would be the syntax |
| 20:19.45 | [g2] | nod. I figured that |
| 20:19.54 | kergoth | just making sure :) |
| 20:19.55 | [g2] | kinda like USE= |
| 20:20.20 | kergoth | lots of cvs repositories obey a CVS_SILENT. quiet commits is a useful thing |
| 20:20.25 | kergoth | particularly when merging to/from branches |
| 20:20.58 | [g2] | would the BK_SILENT kill both announcements or just the 2nd |
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| 20:33.27 | cb-testing | anyone got logging working with miau ? |
| 20:33.47 | [g2] | I did a couple months ago |
| 20:34.03 | [g2] | dyoung uses it iirc |
| 20:34.53 | cb-testing | [g2] any channce of seeing a sanitised version of your miau.conf file? |
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| 20:36.10 | [g2] | cb-testing, It's really be a couple months I haven't played with it since then, I don't know if a bug is still open but #10 was for a miau conf |
| 20:36.26 | ByronT | rwhitby-away: ping |
| 20:36.37 | cb-testing | [g2]: thanks - I'll have a look at it. |
| 20:39.56 | cb-testing | ok found the miaurc - this has been fixed in my ipkg - I was looking at the logging options, but not sure where the logs get saved... docs aren't too helpful here :-P |
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| 20:42.08 | cb-testing | hmmm seems like some others are having fun with miau (change-me, echange-m, mechange- et al) |
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| 20:46.41 | _oli_ | hi guys |
| 20:47.23 | _oli_ | I have lots of connection problems with my slug on a DLink 624 |
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| 20:47.53 | _oli_ | I read that UPNP could be the reason, where do I switch it off, help is greatly appreciated |
| 20:49.22 | caplink811-away | _oli_:Webinterface - administration - system |
| 20:50.14 | _oli_ | oh, is there a checkbox for it, man I must be blind, does it say UPNP there? |
| 20:50.48 | _oli_ | thanks a lot |
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| 21:07.01 | rwhitby-away | ByronT: I took a copy of your pages from about two days ago and checked them into the repo as README and NOTES (with a few minor changes). Can you access the repo to see the diffs? |
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| 21:14.21 | cb-testing | ByronT: the ReadME etc are great - used them to unsling to 3.17 last weekend. And I'm pretty much a technoliterate noob. |
| 21:14.42 | ByronT | thank you... |
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| 21:17.19 | [g2] | rwhitby-away, I'm sending changesets but they don't seem to be appearing on the list |
| 21:17.39 | rwhitby-away | nslu-changesets@lists.sf.net ? |
| 21:17.47 | rwhitby-away | with bk send? |
| 21:17.50 | [g2] | however, the pushes update fine with sending mail to cia |
| 21:17.54 | [g2] | nod. |
| 21:18.02 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:18.08 | kergoth | oe doesnt use mail for cia anymore |
| 21:18.12 | kergoth | it uses xml/rpc |
| 21:18.13 | rwhitby-away | nslu-... , not nslu2-..., right? |
| 21:18.19 | kergoth | and is setup to punch through proxies if you set http_proxy |
| 21:18.29 | [g2] | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.59 | kergoth | echo test | mail <g2's email address> |
| 21:19.02 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:19.18 | rwhitby-away | [g2]: yeah, that should do it. |
| 21:19.45 | rwhitby-away | back later |
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| 21:23.03 | pTweety | hi |
| 21:23.23 | [g2] | hmmmm |
| 21:23.37 | [g2] | well I'll have to follow up on that. |
| 21:23.39 | [g2] | :) |
| 21:25.06 | [g2] | kergoth, could you pull the 2 openslug-init changesets into oe-devel ? |
| 21:25.11 | pTweety | I have a question about packaging of postfix: where shall the /var/spool/postfix diretory go to? under /opt/spool/postfix |
| 21:25.30 | pTweety | or better leave it under var? |
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| 21:32.33 | pTweety | ok, if noone is speaking against it, i'll place it under /opt/var/spool/postfix. |
| 21:32.56 | rwhitby-away | sounds good to me, especially if it's too large to store in a ramdisk |
| 21:33.22 | rwhitby-away | I may change miau spool files over there too ... |
| 21:33.41 | pTweety | would make sense ;-) |
| 21:34.28 | CIA-7 | 03rwhitby * 10unslung/Makefile: Added the testing target. |
| 21:36.09 | CIA-7 | 03ptweety * 10unslung/make/postfix.mk: updated the postfix-ipk target. CONFFILES still missing. |
| 21:36.46 | jacques | what's the testing target? |
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| 21:39.40 | cb-testing | rwhitby: my thoughts exactly on the spool files... I have just been sussing out miau logging. Do you know of anyway to redirect the log file output to another folder of your choice? |
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| 21:42.09 | paulhar | Anyone got a few mins to help me compile? postfix is moaning about missing db.h, and squid complains during compile of cf_gen.c ... "softfloat-linux/3.3.5/include/stddef.h:213: error: parse error before "typedef" |
| 21:43.08 | pTweety | do you compile postfix cross or native? |
| 21:43.16 | paulhar | native. |
| 21:43.27 | paulhar | Can I cross on a Windows box? |
| 21:44.24 | pTweety | hm, since you need the cyrus-sasl-stage.. only if you copy the libs and includes from your slugs staging dir to your windows box |
| 21:44.45 | pTweety | and commet out make cyrus-sasl-stage |
| 21:44.58 | pTweety | you can give it a try |
| 21:45.56 | paulhar | Heh - I think I'll need more info than that - I don't have a compile environ under Windows, and although I love being at the bleeding edge... |
| 21:46.21 | pTweety | nor do I |
| 21:46.30 | paulhar | :) |
| 21:46.37 | pTweety | I used to cross compile on my linux vdr |
| 21:46.55 | pTweety | db.h should be available after make libdb-stage, but if not you can ipkg install libdb and recompile |
| 21:47.39 | CIA-7 | 03kin-kwok * 10unslung/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Samba is an Open Source/Free Software suite that provides seamless file and print services to SMB/CIFS clients. |
| 21:47.40 | paulhar | ipkg install libdb tells me: "Package libdb (4.2.52-1) installed in root is up to date." |
| 21:48.15 | pTweety | can you please check out the latest postfix.mk and try again |
| 21:48.45 | paulhar | I'm using raw postfix website source rather than postfix.mk? |
| 21:48.53 | pTweety | ah |
| 21:48.57 | pTweety | ;-) |
| 21:49.16 | paulhar | It's native, right :) Or - only native for things that have been made native? |
| 21:50.14 | pTweety | erm, sorry, this sentence was to complicated for my poor english |
| 21:50.54 | paulhar | You mention postfix.mk - I'm assuming this is somewhere and has been converted from the raw source to "native"? |
| 21:51.28 | caplink | cb-testing: don't know realy, try miau.conf - chanlog - channel - what - where (might another path would work) |
| 21:51.53 | pTweety | postfix.mk is the postfix Makefile in the unslung cvs |
| 21:52.35 | paulhar | Ah. Off to check the site! |
| 21:53.00 | pTweety | you may want to read this http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Unslung/AddAPackageToUnslung |
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| 21:54.33 | paulhar | I notice the docs are fragmented on compiling; once I understand I'll do my normal hack job on them to hopefully help the next poor soul out. |
| 21:55.20 | ByronT | I guess that's why I have stayed away from compiling.... afraid that I'll start work another set of doco |
| 21:55.56 | pTweety | well, it's not to complicated. I'm the living proof for that. |
| 21:57.11 | paulhar | My life has been simple up to now; either "./configure && make" or a slightly more compilicated bzImage when I'm having to pursuade VMware to compile vmware-toolbox when it _really_ doesn't want to. |
| 22:00.49 | pTweety | night |
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| 22:01.42 | cb-testing | can anyone link a howto to the main wiki page for me? |
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| 22:02.25 | cb-testing | rwhitby-away: can you link up http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/ConfigureMiauForIRCLogging when you have a mo? |
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| 22:04.33 | paulhar | Ok - got the postfix.mk file - make postfix or make postfix.mk fail; as does make -f postfix.mk? |
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| 22:07.01 | dyoung-zzzz | make postfix is what you want to do. |
| 22:07.21 | dyoung-zzzz | make/*mk is included by the top level makefile. |
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| 22:11.52 | paulhar | Hmm... still fails. I guess I have to get the whole cvs and sync it rather than just downloading the .mk file and popping in the directory? |
| 22:14.52 | dyoung-zzzz | you should be able to just put postfix.mk into the make directory; assuming your top leve directory is reasonably up to date. |
| 22:15.00 | dyoung-zzzz | (not I'm not advocating doing that) |
| 22:15.55 | paulhar | I'm still being thick - sorry. What top level directory are you refering to? |
| 22:16.19 | dyoung-zzzz | What exactly have you done. |
| 22:16.24 | caplink | night all |
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| 22:18.15 | paulhar | Downloaded postfix from it's raw website, gunzip'd and untar'd. Now in /share/hdd/data/compiling/postfix-2.1.5. make (fails with missing db.h), ptweety recommended postfix.mk so I wget'd it from sourceforge and popped into the /share/hdd/data/compiling/postfix-2.1.5 directory as postfix.mk |
| 22:19.32 | dyoung-zzzz | You need the rest of the unslung package build envirnment. |
| 22:19.58 | paulhar | You mean that the native toolchain that was posted by rwhitby (and I've ipkg'd it) doesn't have everything? |
| 22:21.31 | dyoung-zzzz | The toolchain is part of the build enviornment yes. But what I mean is the stuff you get when you cvs update or co unslung |
| 22:23.27 | paulhar | I haven't cvs'd nor "co unslung" (compiled unslung?) - what page is the quickest to read to install/configure the right things? Thanks :) |
| 22:33.09 | dyoung-zzzz | http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Unslung/AddAPackageToUnslung |
| 22:33.22 | dyoung-zzzz | http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/NativelyCompileUnslungPackages |
| 22:36.01 | paulhar | Ok - thanks; I was hoping it would just be as simple as a normal "./configure && make" but if I have to jump through a few small hoops I'll start stretching! |
| 22:53.53 | paulhar | ... compiling. I've got to go to bed now, night :) |
| 22:54.41 | dyoung-zzzz | it'll probably take a while for postfix. |
| 22:56.22 | dyoung-away | Who added wakelan? |
| 22:57.54 | dyoung-away | I found it. Thanks caplink! |
| 23:10.22 | ByronT | developers, any problems with me taking NOTES.txt and moving to NewUsersGuide page (I'll maintain both)? |
| 23:11.25 | ByronT | I would want to password protect that page as well, so that not just anybody can change it... |
| 23:30.33 | [g2] | VoodooZ_log, ping |