| 00:00.05 | LexDelani | like this whole wiki-defacement thing |
| 00:00.05 | rwhitby-away | ok, we've traced the source - let that be the end of the discussion |
| 00:00.13 | rwhitby-away | let's move on ... |
| 00:00.16 | LexDelani | it's not one of us is it? |
| 00:00.28 | dyoung | Well, we can start by this. |
| 00:00.37 | dyoung | rwhitby, how did you package up the sources to distribute on sf.net ? |
| 00:00.52 | dyoung | I have a 3.17 for release; but wanted to pack up sources for posting. |
| 00:01.05 | rwhitby-away | dyoung: you have sf.net admin - just follow the quick file release instructions there |
| 00:01.10 | rwhitby-away | ah - sources |
| 00:01.36 | rwhitby-away | ok - I went into nslu2-package-symlinks, and did a copy dereferencing symlinks to get everything that is reached from there. |
| 00:01.55 | rwhitby-away | then I put that directory alongside a copy of the bitbake directory |
| 00:02.06 | rwhitby-away | then I removed BitKeeper and SCCS directories. |
| 00:02.11 | rwhitby-away | then tar and upload |
| 00:02.24 | dyoung | Okay, I'll poke at that. |
| 00:06.57 | NightRider | fuck |
| 00:07.07 | NightRider | opps sorry |
| 00:07.22 | NightRider | some one just tryed to hack into my web server |
| 00:08.49 | NightRider | anyways its ok LexDelani |
| 00:09.08 | NightRider | rwhitby-away u there |
| 00:09.17 | LexDelani | ok NightRider |
| 00:09.50 | rwhitby-away | [g2]: did the patches fix fp on OpenSlug |
| 00:10.33 | LexDelani | 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 00:12.14 | NightRider | rwhitby-away i have added u as site admin and allowed u to moderate the forums for nslu2-linux |
| 00:13.59 | rwhitby-away | NightRider: I'd like to remove my current nick there and use a different one - how do I do that? |
| 00:14.31 | NightRider | umm id have to delete it and u re register and i set back the privs |
| 00:14.39 | rwhitby-away | ok, can you do that please? |
| 00:14.43 | NightRider | sure |
| 00:14.55 | LexDelani | night people |
| 00:15.03 | rwhitby-away | night |
| 00:15.17 | NightRider | User was successfully deleted. |
| 00:15.21 | NightRider | its gone |
| 00:15.25 | rwhitby-away | thx |
| 00:15.30 | NightRider | do u want to to reserve teh name so no one can imitate u |
| 00:15.31 | NightRider | ? |
| 00:15.40 | NightRider | as in no one can use that name |
| 00:15.43 | rwhitby-away | oops - wife just called - better make tracks |
| 00:15.53 | rwhitby-away | NightRider: will create the new one later |
| 00:15.56 | [g2] | tc rwhitby-away |
| 00:15.57 | rwhitby-away | ciao |
| 00:15.58 | NightRider | ok |
| 00:16.01 | NightRider | bye bye |
| 00:17.10 | dyoung | ~emulate ksilebo |
| 00:17.18 | dyoung | GO TO YOUR OFFSPRING! |
| 00:22.59 | ka6sox-away | gotta run and take care of my offspring...bbl |
| 00:23.29 | [g2] | ~emulate ksilebo |
| 00:23.31 | [g2] | :) |
| 00:26.44 | [g2] | its hard to believe that half the deacade is gone already |
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| 00:28.27 | [g2] | morning jacques |
| 00:28.37 | NightRider | hi g2 |
| 00:28.46 | [g2] | hi NightRider |
| 00:28.53 | [g2] | thx for the offer on the forums |
| 00:29.04 | NightRider | np |
| 00:29.20 | [g2] | I think I checked it out the other day |
| 00:29.41 | NightRider | ok |
| 00:29.54 | NightRider | well enjoy it did u sign up |
| 00:30.08 | [g2] | I think so |
| 00:30.38 | NightRider | cool |
| 00:30.40 | [g2] | there are *alot* of forums out there, so many, so little time |
| 00:30.57 | [g2] | :) |
| 00:31.03 | tjyang | I am tyring do a "make" under unslung directory using recommeded Linux host cross-compiling approach. Here is the issue I found. |
| 00:31.05 | NightRider | lol |
| 00:31.47 | tjyang | 1. there is only one package source for each package in the package.mk file. |
| 00:32.56 | tjyang | 2. portmap package is broken, there is no www.portmap.org at all. and there are a few others package looks broken too. |
| 00:33.35 | tjyang | who is doing packge compilation check ? Is it Rod ? |
| 00:34.00 | tjyang | I am using unslung not openslug. |
| 00:34.48 | tjyang | is unslung not being working any longer ? |
| 00:35.06 | [g2] | I thought inge was going to do all the package stuff, didn't he have some posts on the yahoo ml list the other day ? |
| 00:35.22 | [g2] | Unslung packages |
| 00:35.48 | tjyang | I have been on and off trying for two days, and I still can't have a complete run to finish all pacakge recompilation. |
| 00:36.25 | tjyang | g2: what you mean by "Unslung packages", you want me to down the compiled binary packages ? |
| 00:36.32 | tjyang | download. |
| 00:37.09 | [g2] | are you trying to build all the Unslung packages ? |
| 00:37.17 | tjyang | g2: yes. |
| 00:37.17 | [g2] | cross-compile them correct ? |
| 00:37.22 | [g2] | from CVS |
| 00:37.24 | tjyang | yes. |
| 00:37.29 | tjyang | yes. |
| 00:37.44 | [g2] | and you've cvs up'd lately ? |
| 00:38.02 | tjyang | I want to do native compile on nslu2 but it is too much for now. |
| 00:38.06 | tjyang | for me now. |
| 00:38.29 | tjyang | I sync with cvs two days ago. |
| 00:38.50 | [g2] | how many of the packages build ? |
| 00:39.08 | CIA-7 | 03dyoung 07 * r1.2791.1.1 10openembedded/packages/nslu2-binary-only/unslung-rootfs-2.3r25/README: Added stuff to changelog. |
| 00:39.15 | tjyang | I replaced all the package point to ftp.gnu.org to mirrors.usc.ed, becuase ftp.gnu.org is still down. |
| 00:40.29 | tjyang | Anyone know who is doing unslung compilation on nslu2 ? Rod said this is not recommended becuase cross-compile is mainstream. |
| 00:40.30 | dyoung | I broke portmap last week. I didnt see the error because I already downloaded it |
| 00:40.37 | dyoung | I fix it in a bit |
| 00:40.41 | jacques | hi [g2] (was reading backlog) |
| 00:40.50 | tjyang | thanks, dyoung. |
| 00:41.08 | tjyang | scponly is broken too. |
| 00:42.18 | tjyang | how do I disable the crosstool compilation on nslu2 when running "make zlib". I have gcc installed from wiki already. |
| 00:43.34 | tjyang | if I understand it correctly, until now we are using a gcc binary with fp issue. correct ? |
| 00:44.52 | tjyang | I have some idea to improve the current "Makefile". do we still need to spend effort working on unslung ? |
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| 00:49.49 | tjyang | [tjyang@dual unslung]$ make scponly |
| 00:49.49 | tjyang | wget --passive-ftp -P /export/home/tjyang/slug/unslung/downloads http://www.sublimation.org/scponly/scponly-3.11.tgz |
| 00:49.49 | tjyang | --18:47:26-- http://www.sublimation.org/scponly/scponly-3.11.tgz |
| 00:49.49 | tjyang | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.49 | tjyang | Resolving www.sublimation.org... done. |
| 00:49.53 | tjyang | Connecting to www.sublimation.org[66.93.79.58]:80... failed: Connection refused. |
| 00:49.55 | tjyang | make: *** [/export/home/tjyang/slug/unslung/downloads/scponly-3.11.tgz] Error 1 |
| 00:49.57 | tjyang | [tjyang@dual unslung]$ |
| 00:53.16 | CIA-7 | 03dyoung8888 * 10unslung/make/portmap.mk: Fixed download site |
| 00:55.30 | tjyang | I did a "touch /share/hdd/data/public/nslu2/tjyang/unslung/toolchain/crosstool/.built" to make nslu2 not to compile crosstool and use gcc from tgz installation instead. |
| 00:56.06 | tjyang | Execuse me for make so many noises right now. |
| 00:56.55 | tjyang | Can some one answer this question ? " until now we are using a gcc binary with fp issue. correct " ? |
| 00:57.46 | jacques | tjyang, that's a complex quetion to answer |
| 00:58.05 | jacques | the recent unslung fp patch is a kernel patch |
| 00:58.23 | jacques | in openslug, we have recently added a glibc fp patch and a kernel fp patch |
| 00:58.49 | tjyang | do I have to worry about the binaries generated by gcc with fp issue ? |
| 00:58.56 | jacques | however, the kernel patches *should* only affect hard-float systems |
| 00:59.19 | jacques | tjyang, on unslung I would say you don;t have to worry about gcc |
| 01:01.19 | tjyang | huh, thanks. I am starting to unable to understand the answer (hard-float) from technical answer. |
| 01:02.10 | jacques | tjyang, you *do* understand hard-float or you *do not*? |
| 01:02.19 | jacques | I can explain a bit if you don;t |
| 01:04.06 | tjyang | I don't understand hard-float. Looks like a reading is required. if you can't do it in a few sentence that go ahead. I really don't to bother folks too much. |
| 01:04.30 | tjyang | if you can do it in a few sentence that go ahead. I really don't to bother folks too much. |
| 01:04.40 | tjyang | if you can't do it in a few sentence that go ahead. I really don't want to bother folks too much. |
| 01:05.31 | tjyang | can't get english sentence right ;) must be the dinner wine having effect on me now. |
| 01:07.22 | jacques | sorry I was on another channel - not ignoring you :-) |
| 01:08.27 | jacques | hard-float in the libc and apps indicates that the device has hadware floating point processor. not too long ago, this was the only real choice to build glibc and gcc (soft-float was in development and did not work) |
| 01:09.08 | tjyang | that is it ? |
| 01:09.13 | jacques | so, on the ARM devices (almost none of which really have a hardware float unit) a kernel patch was made (originally for the netwinder) called NWFPE |
| 01:09.38 | jacques | the NWFPE patch traps hardware float calls and does them in software *in the kernel* |
| 01:10.09 | tjyang | what is last the "E" in NWFPE |
| 01:10.21 | tjyang | Environment ? |
| 01:10.25 | dyoung | Engine. |
| 01:10.40 | tjyang | thanks, dyoung. |
| 01:10.44 | jacques | recently, soft-float has been made usable. soft-float is user-space software floating point calculation, and it's much much faster than NWFPE |
| 01:11.03 | tjyang | should I put this in FAQ on the wiki site ? |
| 01:11.31 | dyoung | sorry its emulator. |
| 01:11.32 | dyoung | heh |
| 01:11.49 | jacques | tjyang, yes please! |
| 01:12.08 | tjyang | wait, I do it now. |
| 01:12.21 | jacques | I *think* there is a web page somewhere that explains the whole thing much better than I just did, with more history |
| 01:13.05 | tjyang | that is ok. your answer is fine (at least to me). |
| 01:14.27 | tjyang | it is just soft-float and hard-float getting me dizzy without a bit deeper understanding. I really didn't know "float" refer to float-point unit in a CPU. |
| 01:14.50 | jacques | ah :-) |
| 01:18.14 | jacques | I found a page (not the one I was thinking of but looks good) http://linux-7110.sourceforge.net/howtos/netbook_new/x936.htm |
| 01:18.28 | tjyang | http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Main/FAQ?action=edit link is asking for a password ?! |
| 01:18.55 | jacques | ah yes, we just had a defacement and that feature was added a few hours ago :-\ |
| 01:19.17 | tjyang | so I don't have to do it ;) |
| 01:19.21 | jacques | talk to ka6sox-away about getting a password :-) |
| 01:24.36 | tjyang | So I need a password to undate the whole nslug wike site ? how does password scheme works, we all get one same passoword or we go NIS model. |
| 01:32.53 | tjyang | My goal(pet project) is to see two nslu2 doing nslung packge compilation. so answer my question later on if you can. this may modified all the make/*.mk or main Makefile. |
| 01:34.21 | tjyang | we may even can have two nslu2 and two linux(using cross-compiler) to compile the c/c++ code and link it on one nslu2. |
| 01:35.56 | jacques | yeah a distcc cluster of slugs would be cool |
| 01:36.16 | ka6sox-away | Beowulf? |
| 01:36.37 | jacques | heh heh. sure to get on /. then |
| 01:36.53 | tjyang | I will stop at distcc. beowulf ? no experience. |
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| 01:42.12 | wsgaskins | topic: 3.16 upgrading -- when I go to the web admin page and reboot in admin mode, it doesn't give me any opportunity to remove/unplug my disks before or during rebooting. My question/clarification for the README is: for step 1), do I have to power down before removing disks? |
| 01:42.29 | NightRider | yes |
| 01:45.05 | wsgaskins | so the README needs a step 1.5) Power Down NSLU2, unplug disks, then it's on to 2) power-on and goto admin page, 3) reboots again, 3.5) power down again, then attach disks, 4) power on and verify everythings still ok. 4.5) power down again, 5) remove disks again. Then go through unslinging steps... |
| 01:45.18 | wsgaskins | seems like a lot of powering on & off :( |
| 01:45.24 | NightRider | go update it on wiki |
| 01:45.37 | NightRider | the password is password |
| 01:45.46 | wsgaskins | Note, the x.5 steps aren't actually listed in the README, but maybe they should be. |
| 01:46.27 | wsgaskins | who manages the README with the .bin download on SF? |
| 01:53.42 | wsgaskins | I'm happy to update the wiki, but I was wondering if it was possible for the admin page that puts the system in maintainence mode to also automatically do an unmount of the disks during reboot/power-on? That would avoid my power-down steps 1.5), and 3.5). Anybody here know if that is possible? |
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| 02:05.31 | tjyang | ka6* is posting FAQ 23 on wiki now, please review and fix it. |
| 02:06.43 | tjyang | I really glad I did this faq(with your help), now I understand this "armv5b-softfloat-linux/gcc-3.3.4-glibc-2.2.5/bin/armv5b-softfloat-linux-gcc" now ;) |
| 02:07.15 | jacques | great :-) |
| 02:07.39 | tjyang | off to get compiling going on nslu2 now. |
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| 02:21.23 | wsgaskins | so, i don't see the upgrading f/w README on the wiki. actually, I see a page that says -- "see the README with the .bin" in one place. |
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| 02:24.22 | ka6sox-away | tlhackque, I fixed my error on the page...did you see it? |
| 02:24.41 | tlhackque | Any reason why trying to edit a Wiki page wins a "password required" page? |
| 02:25.07 | tlhackque | Hi - I did see it, but attempting to follow the link wins a file not found (404) error at the moment... |
| 02:25.53 | tjyang | ka6: did you put faq 23 up on wiki yet ? |
| 02:26.04 | ka6sox-away | just putting it there now. |
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| 02:29.04 | ka6sox-away | tlhackque, let me see why... |
| 02:29.18 | tlhackque | OK, thanks. |
| 02:40.02 | tjyang | Can nslu2 boot up from external USB flash drive ? |
| 02:40.52 | jacques | yes |
| 02:45.26 | tjyang | I have a 512M flash pen drive. how do I change the boot sequence ? |
| 02:46.11 | jacques | I'm pretty sure it's in the wiki - "how to boot from flash drive" or something |
| 02:47.14 | ka6sox-away | its there. |
| 02:47.32 | ka6sox-away | tjyang: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Main/FAQ |
| 02:49.37 | ka6sox-away | #23 |
| 02:50.02 | tjyang | ok, thanks to ka6sox and jacques. |
| 02:51.20 | ka6sox-away | tlhackque, I fixed my error....again... |
| 02:54.09 | tlhackque | ka6sox - thanks. Sometimes it's groundhog day in january :-) I see the spreadsheet. I added a "HowTo" (GetDHCPStatus) -- trying to edit it wins a password required. Any idea why? |
| 02:54.44 | tjyang | NWFPE is a kernel feature that traps hard float calls and computes them in kernel space while soft-float is user-space and is also much much faster than NWFPE |
| 02:55.27 | tjyang | I thought soft/hard float is only referring to compiler. |
| 02:55.35 | tjyang | not kernel. |
| 02:55.59 | jacques | kernel support is needed for hard-float on ARMs which have no real FPU |
| 02:56.09 | tjyang | but I have no problem if it is a correct statement. |
| 02:56.36 | tjyang | I see. thanks. |
| 02:56.51 | jacques | tjyang, did you read http://linux-7110.sourceforge.net/howtos/netbook_new/x936.htm ? |
| 02:56.59 | jacques | it explains it better than I |
| 02:57.28 | tjyang | yes. but only first 30 lines ;) |
| 02:57.50 | tjyang | ka6: please fix this typo " fllowing string " |
| 02:59.16 | tjyang | jacques: do you know anyone compile package natively on nslu2 ? |
| 02:59.28 | tjyang | I don't really like to be the first ;< |
| 02:59.32 | ka6sox-away | tlhackque, there is a problem with the wiki that I'm trying to fix... |
| 02:59.40 | jacques | tjyang, several people have done it, including me |
| 03:00.27 | jacques | tjyang, I built perl in openslug just last night |
| 03:00.38 | tlhackque | ka6 - thanks. |
| 03:01.35 | [g2] | jacques, congrats on the perl! |
| 03:01.37 | jacques | tjyang, there is a wiki page and a native devel environment you can download (but I have not used those - I built my own in oe) |
| 03:02.12 | tlhackque | tjyang -- I have built native. No magic -- I did update the wiki with the odds & ends that I found. I've switched to cross-builds as that's been the standard for package builds. |
| 03:02.36 | tjyang | jac: great, you don't go yet, qusestions are coming. |
| 03:02.56 | jacques | [g2], it was with openslugdevel pulled last night - I got 100% perl test on first try (since I knew what to fix in the devel env this time) |
| 03:03.17 | rwhitby | tlhackque: I sent you a private message - do you see other names at the top of your screen? |
| 03:05.47 | [g2] | jacques, so you built a good perl with bitbake ? |
| 03:06.03 | jacques | [g2], native - not cross :-\ |
| 03:06.11 | tjyang | tlhackque: which wiki link you referred to ? |
| 03:06.16 | [g2] | nod |
| 03:06.19 | jacques | cross bombs out very early |
| 03:06.23 | [g2] | nod |
| 03:06.31 | [g2] | mine got to the miniperl |
| 03:06.55 | tjyang | tlhackque: where is the page documented your odds&ends finding ? |
| 03:07.24 | jacques | mine started having problems right after configure - let me find the log |
| 03:09.05 | jacques | sh ./makedepend MAKE=make |
| 03:09.05 | jacques | ./makedepend: line 52: /dev/null: Permission denied |
| 03:09.05 | jacques | ./makedepend: line 53: -f: command not found |
| 03:09.05 | jacques | cp: missing destination file |
| 03:09.05 | jacques | Try `cp --help' for more information. |
| 03:09.16 | jacques | lots and lots of stuff like that |
| 03:09.20 | jacques | it looks really ugly |
| 03:09.52 | tjyang | I have to do a chmod 644 on /dev/null before on my nslu2 ;) |
| 03:10.15 | jacques | well that build was cross-compiling in bitbake/oe |
| 03:10.21 | jacques | my native build worked |
| 03:10.28 | tjyang | using unslung 3.16 firmware. |
| 03:11.37 | jacques | tjyang, you might want to look at http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Info/NativeNSLU2Toolchain |
| 03:13.21 | tlhackque | tjyang -- Iadded to http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Info/NativeNSLU2Toolchain -- sorry, it took me a few minutes to find it again |
| 03:14.33 | tjyang | thanks to your two, I will follow this link and be back with question. |
| 03:15.04 | kergoth | ~seen noidd |
| 03:15.14 | jbot | noidd <~noidd@66.193.15.64> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 114d 13h 13m 6s ago, saying: 'mornin''. |
| 03:16.18 | jacques | long time ago |
| 03:16.46 | kergoth | yep, he's the only person i know who knows the perl buildsystem |
| 03:16.55 | kergoth | if we could jsut get ahold of him, we could fix our cross build |
| 03:16.58 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:18.46 | jacques | that would be nice, since I have all the info we need from a native perl build now |
| 03:18.51 | jacques | (on armeb) |
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