| 00:02.53 | *** join/#nslu2-linux dyoung-web (~80ab9a96@cpe-24-94-83-103.hawaii.rr.com) |
| 00:07.15 | ka6sox-laptop | dyoung-web: no time to play with Fatslug today :*( |
| 00:22.18 | novacane_22 | I just followed the OpenEmbedded/GettingStarted wiki page and built an unslung-image. I now have 8 files in build/tmp/deploy/images, what are they? What version of unslung 2.x or 3.x? |
| 00:25.31 | dyoung-web | ugh, back later. |
| 00:35.52 | *** join/#nslu2-linux rwhitby-web (www-data@netblock-66-159-209-60.dslextreme.com) |
| 00:36.16 | rwhitby-web | McTails: that's one of the next goals for Unslung - self-hosting |
| 00:36.26 | rwhitby-web | novacane_22: you've just build Unslung 3.8-alpha |
| 00:36.47 | rwhitby-web | with jffs2 root filesystem support (it no longer supports running rootfs from ramdisk or external disk) |
| 00:37.43 | rwhitby-web | the README in tmp/rootfs/opt/doc/REA |
| 00:37.52 | rwhitby-web | DME will give you installation instructions |
| 00:38.34 | rwhitby-web | (tmp/rootfs is the where the jffs2 filesystem is staged in OE before we build the jffs2 image and splice it into the 8MB firmware file |
| 00:38.53 | novacane_22 | rwhitby-web: thanks |
| 00:41.58 | McTails | rwhitby-web: I'll work on it then |
| 00:42.18 | McTails | I need to build Perl for an experiment, and I'm not going to bother messing w/ cross-compiling |
| 00:42.50 | rwhitby-web | we need a native compiler that can be built and installed as an Unslung package. |
| 00:43.18 | McTails | rwhitby-web: I did some work on that |
| 00:43.23 | McTails | (referred to bison and flex* |
| 00:43.25 | kergoth | might be fasted to get those specific oe packages to work, since they're known working |
| 00:43.30 | kergoth | fastest, rather |
| 00:44.38 | McTails | Well, at most, it should just require putting line in Unslung telling to do a check for an ARM-EB enviroment, and then if it finds it, use native compilers |
| 00:44.52 | *** part/#nslu2-linux rwhitby-web (www-data@netblock-66-159-209-60.dslextreme.com) |
| 00:44.53 | McTails | Also, if I can get python working, I can do OpenSlug work |
| 00:48.26 | McTails | kergoth: Any suggestions on how I should perform the regression testing, and which GCC/GLIBc versions I should setup for buildroot? |
| 00:56.56 | [g2] | McTails, if you are running OpenSlug you can just oemake python |
| 00:57.17 | McTails | [g2]: I'm running unslug. I don't have a serial console for mine |
| 00:57.33 | McTails | [g2]: BTW, your SlugNews article rocked :-) |
| 00:57.39 | [g2] | thx |
| 00:58.04 | McTails | welcome |
| 00:58.16 | [g2] | I'll be getting ready for issue 2, I"m waiting for FatSlug right now :), that'll make a good headline :) |
| 00:58.34 | McTails | Who's idea what the FatSlug? |
| 00:58.46 | McTails | BTW< why do people want to replace Redboot, it's a pretty good boot loader |
| 00:58.52 | [g2] | Oh it's a dyoung ka6sox-away rwhitby things |
| 00:59.08 | McTails | The only real thing I don't like is Linksys braindead Redboot |
| 00:59.11 | [g2] | Initially customize redboot |
| 00:59.44 | [g2] | then maybe other bootloaders later |
| 00:59.46 | McTails | but I find it's almost as good as OpenFirmware, expect it can't boot from an HD |
| 01:00.01 | kergoth | redboot's alright |
| 01:00.08 | kergoth | pales in comparison to glob, u-boot, or LAB |
| 01:00.10 | [g2] | it's ok. |
| 01:00.11 | kergoth | s/glob/blob/ |
| 01:00.43 | McTails | kergoth: What do those bootloaders have over redboot? |
| 01:01.01 | [g2] | it's stable, open and has enough starting capability |
| 01:01.27 | kergoth | ability to read and write to/from jffs2 images, cf/ide support, improved networking, and countless other things |
| 01:01.30 | McTails | I never ran into a bootloader I could access over ethernet |
| 01:01.38 | kergoth | LAB is linux, so it jhas other benefits |
| 01:01.44 | [g2] | I can see merging the jffs2 parts and having the kernel in /boot, but I think it's premature to do that now |
| 01:01.45 | kergoth | thats because you're used to x86 |
| 01:01.58 | kergoth | its quite common for arm bootloaders to support ethernet |
| 01:02.05 | McTails | kergoth: Actually, powerpc is my domiant platform |
| 01:02.12 | McTails | The only other ARM device I own is my iPod :-P |
| 01:02.52 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:03.00 | [g2] | McTails can you get into Redboot via Ethernet ? |
| 01:03.05 | McTails | Yeah |
| 01:03.26 | [g2] | I mean on 192.168.0.1 9000 |
| 01:03.29 | McTails | Yeah |
| 01:03.30 | McTails | Easy |
| 01:03.39 | McTails | I do it without disconnecting the slug from my network now |
| 01:04.09 | [g2] | Well, if you can when it's booting, then OpenSlug may be a candidate soon |
| 01:04.12 | McTails | The WRT54GS lets me turn each other into a seperate segement, so I just setup Port 3 to 192.168.0.0 when I need to access it |
| 01:04.30 | McTails | [g2]: What do you mean when it's booting? |
| 01:05.04 | [g2] | the couple second window when you can get to Redboot via ethernet when it's booting |
| 01:05.15 | McTails | Yeah, I got it nailed down pat |
| 01:05.19 | [g2] | to be able to replace linux and ramdisk/flash |
| 01:05.23 | McTails | Usually hit the window when their's still two seconds left |
| 01:05.38 | McTails | I always test every version of UNSLUNG that way before I flash it |
| 01:06.07 | McTails | The router's 8MB flash is just enough to hold the kernel and the ramdisk |
| 01:08.15 | McTails | I'm working on learning C/C++, so I should aleast be able to help debug the redboot, and maybe other things soon |
| 01:09.55 | McTails | The lack of a real Linux workstation (the PowerMac kealed over and died) |
| 01:10.00 | McTails | ^has been a real PITA |
| 01:10.38 | kergoth | colinux on a windows box? |
| 01:10.39 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:10.54 | McTails | Dad owns the only working PC |
| 01:11.00 | kergoth | ah |
| 01:11.06 | McTails | Mine has a shot power adapter, and needed a massive fan under it to prevent overheating |
| 01:11.16 | McTails | Maybe 10 minutes before the whole thing gets unstable |
| 01:11.28 | McTails | 5 minutes later - safety feature kicks it and auto-power cutoff kicks in |
| 01:12.20 | McTails | I'm going to disassmeble it (it's a laptop), and put it's parts in a desktop case and put some major fan in that sucker :-) |
| 01:15.39 | McTails | kergoth: On the topic of self-building: What would it take to get OpenEmbedded to use the native compiler instead of a cross-compiler |
| 01:16.09 | kergoth | wouldnt be too difficult, but thats not the hard par |
| 01:16.10 | kergoth | t |
| 01:16.19 | kergoth | the hard part is the fact that OE likes to consume a metric assload of RAM |
| 01:16.30 | kergoth | a build that parses all our packages can easily push 512 megs |
| 01:16.33 | McTails | SO the damn thing would always be writting to the swap |
| 01:16.50 | kergoth | if you use the nslu2 symlinks repository, it may be doable |
| 01:17.10 | McTails | Why does OE eat so much RAM - I can't picture what would do it. |
| 01:17.53 | kergoth | because of the way the metadata handling was done |
| 01:18.08 | kergoth | it results in e.g. one copy of base.oeclass for every .oe that inherits it, which is every one |
| 01:18.15 | kergoth | so for a package repostiory with over 1900 packages... |
| 01:18.16 | kergoth | ow |
| 01:18.40 | kergoth | there are patches that make the metadata store copy-on-write, which drops it from 512 to around 200. |
| 01:18.40 | McTails | Basically, the idea would to just to get each .oe file to get the same base.oeclass from memory |
| 01:18.50 | kergoth | COW along with the nslu2 symlinks repo would make it usable |
| 01:18.52 | kergoth | right |
| 01:19.02 | kergoth | but itd involve a -substantial- rearchitect of the core |
| 01:19.10 | kergoth | not worth it, we're started on a rewrite anyway |
| 01:19.15 | kergoth | :) |
| 01:19.30 | McTails | kergoth: I'm learning basic python, and I'd give you a hand if you want it |
| 01:19.40 | McTails | (assuming I can bring the powermac back to the world of th eliving) |
| 01:20.06 | kergoth | certainly. we can always use help. there are lots of packages that need maintainers too, on the more mundane side of things |
| 01:20.12 | kergoth | bbl, going home and getting food |
| 01:21.00 | McTails | kergoth: Cya later |