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| 02:06.41 | peteru-work | jbot, seen rwhitby-web ? |
| 02:07.05 | jbot | peteru-work: i haven't seen 'rwhitby-web ' |
| 02:07.22 | ka6sox | [rwhitby-web] idle 01:23:48, signon: Sun Nov 21 16:43:22 |
| 02:08.04 | peteru-work | ka6sox plays jbot, while jbot lies to me :-O |
| 02:08.15 | ka6sox | heh |
| 02:08.27 | peteru-work | are you back home now? |
| 02:09.13 | ka6sox | yes...arrived after 30 hrs of flying. |
| 02:10.35 | peteru-work | short trip then ;) |
| 02:11.13 | ka6sox | rrrrrright. |
| 02:11.19 | ka6sox | glad to be back home. |
| 02:11.49 | rwhitby-web | rwhitby-web is here |
| 02:12.33 | ka6sox | there he is. |
| 02:21.24 | rwhitby-web | peteru-work: you called? |
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| 02:30.35 | ka6sox | rwhitby-web...he *was* here. |
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| 02:41.44 | rwhitby-web | So no-one has any comments on the Unslung policy decisions I made and implemented in 3.5-alpha ? |
| 02:43.39 | glc | Well, as soon as I can compile 3.5A I'll let you know. Handhelds.org seems to have been down all day. |
| 02:43.40 | ka6sox | is this the decisions about DEST? |
| 02:44.20 | rwhitby-web | glc: you know you can just copy yesterday's CVS file to the new date in your downloads directory, and continue compilation .... |
| 02:44.25 | rwhitby-web | ka6sox: yes |
| 02:44.49 | rwhitby-web | ka6sox: the reversion to not using 'dest' and symlinking /opt and /usr/lib/ipkg onto the unslung drive. |
| 02:45.17 | ka6sox | is it in the jffs then? |
| 02:46.04 | glc | I have nothing to copy. |
| 02:46.26 | ka6sox | there is a rsync copy available too. |
| 02:46.45 | ka6sox | I pulled it last night some time (like 4am my time) |
| 02:47.29 | ka6sox | let me see what time the last pull was. |
| 02:53.10 | ka6sox | 18:10 local... |
| 02:53.24 | ka6sox | about 43 minutes ago |
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| 03:18.49 | peteru | rwhitby-web: I thought I may as well get you excited... |
| 03:19.05 | peteru | I can now correctly identify the Toppy, get the hdd usage info out of it, list dirs and put and get files that are 2^16 - 9 bytes or smaller. |
| 03:19.14 | peteru | that's just under 64kB in plain english. |
| 03:19.27 | peteru | transfers larger than 64kB don't work yet. I'll need to get the USB sniffer out again. It seems it's another case of the real protocol actually not matching the released doco. :( |
| 03:19.37 | peteru | just like the CRCs being calculated on byteswapped data. |
| 03:19.49 | peteru | still too busy coding slug software for the Toppy to take a look at openslug, but I am keen on kernel 2.6 |
| 03:20.08 | peteru | is openslug getting closer to being usable? |
| 03:22.17 | jacques | closer |
| 03:22.47 | jacques | I have been trying to figure out why ipkg install doesn't work on openslug, and not making much headway |
| 03:23.38 | jacques | thing is, it used to work on openslug I thought |
| 03:28.00 | peteru | is the ipkg problem an inconvenience or a major blocker? from the point of view of developers, rather than end users. |
| 03:28.43 | jacques | i consider it critical |
| 03:29.21 | jacques | but then others may just want to edit their conf files and install the packages they want at build time |
| 03:31.46 | peteru | is the ipkg install problem happening during the building of images, or is it on a running system? |
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| 03:38.32 | rwhitby-web | peteru: sounds like good progress on the toppy front - this is still with 2.4 kernel, right? Do you see any 2.4 kernel roadblocks to the Toppy end goal? |
| 03:42.00 | peteru | well, I ran into some reliability issues. Not sure whether it's kernel 2.4 or not. |
| 03:43.05 | peteru | I've seen USB protocol errors, timeouts and device disconnects. But then again, I am developing a driver ... |
| 03:43.20 | rwhitby-web | jacques: what ipkg issues are you seeing on openslug? |
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| 03:43.32 | [g2] | ka6sox, ping |
| 03:43.45 | ka6sox | [g2], pong |
| 03:43.52 | [g2] | is picoblaze free ? |
| 03:43.55 | ka6sox | yes |
| 03:44.04 | peteru | so, I don't see 2.4 as preventing us from achieving the goal at this point. |
| 03:44.08 | [g2] | and how fast does it run on an S3 ? |
| 03:44.14 | peteru | I'll know for sure when it works end to end :) |
| 03:44.14 | ka6sox | very |
| 03:44.24 | [g2] | very in Mhz |
| 03:44.37 | ka6sox | uh...what is your clock freq? |
| 03:44.39 | rwhitby-web | peteru: hopefully the reliability problems aren't due to 2.4 kernel - it would be good to have the Toppy softare work with Unslung. |
| 03:45.08 | [g2] | no clock freq yet ? |
| 03:45.10 | [g2] | :) |
| 03:45.54 | [g2] | on an S3 how fast could we make a picoblaze core run and would it fit |
| 03:45.55 | jacques | sorry was on phone |
| 03:46.24 | ka6sox | [g2], it fits quite well, and I'm looking at the hit. |
| 03:46.30 | jacques | rwhitby-web, I am seeing the ipkg install hang - trying to ipkg install a package from a file (haven't tried over network) hangs |
| 03:46.41 | jacques | I have been doing straces on it and they are not very helpful |
| 03:46.53 | kergoth | jacques: hey! my ipkg is hanging at install in my coLinux x86 oe rootfs too |
| 03:46.57 | peteru | rwhitby-web: I plan on unleashing the source before Christmas. It's my birthday this week, so I won't have much time to do anything for the next 7- 10 days. |
| 03:47.07 | ka6sox | [g2], 44mips |
| 03:47.08 | jacques | kergoth, maybe they broke something? |
| 03:47.22 | kergoth | could be |
| 03:47.35 | jacques | one of the things on my list is to try an older cvs checkout of ipkg |
| 03:47.39 | kergoth | need to fire up gdb or strace and see what its up to |
| 03:47.48 | kergoth | could try reverting to a previous version as well |
| 03:48.05 | jacques | kergoth, I have straces of mine, so at some point it might make sense to compare them |
| 03:48.27 | peteru | Maybe you guys can give me an OpenSlug alpha/beta for my birthday, since rwhitby didn't get it for his :-) |
| 03:48.29 | kergoth | gdb will probably be more useful, since we'll see a higher level than syscalls |
| 03:49.03 | jacques | yeah |
| 03:49.38 | jacques | peteru well openslug could be considered in alpha right now - a day or two after rwhitby's birthday, the ixp425_eth stuff got in |
| 03:50.20 | jacques | ipkg hangs right after a vfork |
| 03:50.37 | jacques | attaching to the forked process show's it's trying to write something |
| 03:51.14 | jacques | maybe I should find those strace options for long output and maybe I could get the name of what it's trying to write to |
| 03:51.26 | peteru | argh! every time I hear the word vfork I get images of cygwin and start running around in a panic! |
| 03:51.39 | kergoth | jacques: isnt there a commandline option to strace to follow forks? |
| 03:51.42 | kergoth | i seem to recall there being one |
| 03:51.58 | peteru | yes, there is -f I thik |
| 03:52.14 | kergoth | yeah, thats it |
| 03:53.05 | jacques | kergoth, -F for vforks but it doesn't work in this case |
| 03:53.16 | jacques | I tried strace -fF and it doesn't follow |
| 03:53.20 | kergoth | odd |
| 03:53.26 | jacques | (and strace -F and strace -f) |
| 03:53.54 | peteru | requires instrumented kernel for vfork :( |
| 03:54.24 | peteru | can you modify ipkg to use fork instead? |
| 03:54.31 | jacques | and the parent sipkg process goes into D state |
| 03:55.33 | kergoth | i wouldnt bother. just enable debugging and disable stripping in oe, rebuild ipkg, and oemake gdb and do that. |
| 03:55.40 | kergoth | bleh, brb |
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| 03:57.25 | rwhitby-web | peteru: seems that in this community you have to help to create your birthday present :-) |
| 03:57.27 | peteru | reading the Linux manpage for vfork, there appears to be very little value in choosing vfork() over fork() |
| 03:57.47 | jacques | I've also been looking into configuring 100tx full duplex |
| 03:58.02 | jacques | I thought someone on the list a long time ago said they did it using mii-diag |
| 03:58.04 | peteru | unless ipkg happens to do several hundred / thousand vfork()s |
| 03:58.24 | peteru | mii-tool you mean? |
| 03:58.35 | jacques | there is no mii-diag in oe, so I tried ethtool, but that doesn't do it: |
| 03:58.35 | jacques | Settings for eth0: |
| 03:58.35 | jacques | No data available |
| 03:58.48 | jacques | peteru mii-tool is based on mii-diag |
| 03:59.06 | jacques | maybe they said mii-tool, but there is neither in oe |
| 03:59.56 | peteru | I've had mixed experiences with mii-tool in the past. It tends to work for mainstream cards, but does weird stuff to non-mainstream hardware. |
| 04:00.22 | kergoth | heh, sounds like crappy drivers |
| 04:00.30 | jacques | naturally, the yahoo search does not find it |
| 04:00.41 | peteru | xircom and intel drivers |
| 04:00.56 | jacques | but someone on the list specifically said they had used it to configure the nslu2 I thought |
| 04:01.22 | jacques | yahoo search is beyond crap |
| 04:02.17 | peteru | running mii-tool against the xircom drivers caused the transceiver to just reset itself periodically during heavy activity. on the intel, it was unable to deal with gigabit modes. |
| 04:02.49 | peteru | not that either is relevant to nslu2... |
| 04:03.12 | peteru | although there is the intel link |
| 04:04.07 | jacques | peteru what's your point? I started out talking about mii-diag |
| 04:04.45 | peteru | I have no point. I'm just sprouting random data points :-/ |
| 04:04.49 | jacques | yahoo search is useless |
| 04:05.14 | peteru | shh, don't tell them, they want to compete with google. |
| 04:05.58 | ka6sox | yeah. |
| 04:07.21 | jacques | ah well, the full duplex issue is minor compared to ipkg |
| 04:08.10 | jacques | maybe mii could be looked at when we modify the driver to not override MAC - dunno |
| 04:55.43 | [g2] | nite guys |
| 04:56.34 | ka6sox | nite [g2] |
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| 05:33.18 | welbo | hello |
| 05:33.22 | welbo | anybody home? |
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| 05:42.00 | Christopher_ | hello |
| 05:43.04 | welbo | hi |
| 05:43.30 | welbo | don't think there's anyone else around but me right now |
| 05:43.43 | Christopher_ | ok |
| 05:43.55 | Christopher_ | I haven't seen you before |
| 05:43.59 | welbo | first time |
| 05:44.07 | Christopher_ | i c |
| 05:44.16 | Christopher_ | what is your slug running? |
| 05:44.26 | welbo | i ran into a roadblock and needed some help |
| 05:44.30 | welbo | unslung 2.12 |
| 05:44.32 | welbo | beta |
| 05:44.37 | Christopher_ | what do you need help with? |
| 05:45.06 | welbo | i've got the ftp server running on two slugs now, but have some problem with rights |
| 05:45.15 | Christopher_ | hmmm |
| 05:45.16 | welbo | i set up a user |
| 05:45.19 | welbo | ftp |
| 05:45.22 | welbo | in the passwd file |
| 05:45.23 | Christopher_ | I've not run the ftp server before |
| 05:45.44 | welbo | with a root directory called ftp |
| 05:45.55 | welbo | followed all the instructions in the inetd man |
| 05:46.06 | welbo | i guess my question is... |
| 05:46.34 | welbo | can an ftp client use the busybox ls, or do i need a stand alone binary for the specific user /bin |
| 05:47.01 | Christopher_ | it should be able to use the busybox ls I would think, but I'm probably not the best person to ask |
| 05:47.03 | welbo | because when i log into it as anonymous, the ftp server chroot's me to the /ftp directory |
| 05:47.19 | welbo | and i can't get a directory listing |
| 05:47.24 | Christopher_ | yeah, I'm not sure sorry |
| 05:47.36 | welbo | i wanted to check out the syslog to try and learn something |
| 05:47.41 | welbo | do you know where it is? |
| 05:47.53 | Christopher_ | /var/log/messages |
| 05:48.11 | welbo | is it enabled in 2.12? |
| 05:48.18 | Christopher_ | yes, should be |
| 05:48.23 | welbo | is see in a 'ps -aef' that it has option '-n' |
| 05:48.27 | welbo | not sure what that means |
| 05:48.35 | Christopher_ | not sure |
| 05:49.11 | welbo | cool, i see the syslog. thx |
| 05:49.15 | Christopher_ | np |
| 05:50.34 | rwhitby-web | welbo: if the ftp server chroot's you into the /ftp directory, then you need to set up a chroot environment which includes any commands you want to run. In this case, you need ls and busybox and any libraries they depend upon under /ftp I think. |
| 05:51.02 | welbo | i agree |
| 05:51.13 | welbo | i made a /bin under /ftp and put in busybox |
| 05:51.28 | welbo | do you think i should ln -s /bin/busybox ls |
| 05:51.37 | welbo | or ln -s /ftp/bin/busybox ls |
| 05:52.34 | Christopher_ | hi rwhitby-web |
| 05:53.13 | Christopher_ | I'm looking to take spot number nine for the openslug alpha testers list |
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| 06:08.39 | rwhitby-web | welbo: you need to "cd /ftp/bin ; ln -s busybox ls" |
| 06:08.56 | welbo | ok |
| 06:09.13 | rwhitby-web | remember that the symbolic link will be resolved inside the chroot environment |
| 06:09.28 | rwhitby-web | Christopher_: cool |
| 06:10.51 | welbo | thanks for the help |
| 06:11.05 | welbo | i saw there were 71 new members to yahoo this week |
| 06:11.13 | welbo | getting popular |
| 06:13.38 | welbo | still not getting a directory listing for anonymous user |
| 06:13.49 | welbo | maybe an environment var i need to set |
| 06:14.17 | welbo | wouldn't be a problem using bash instead of sh would it? |
| 06:14.33 | rwhitby-web | "getting popular" - we have over 1800 members total ... |
| 06:15.55 | rwhitby-web | telnet into the slug, and say "/bin/slingbox chroot /ftp" then see what you can do there - that might give you some more information about what is happening. |
| 06:16.08 | rwhitby-web | Did you copy in the shared libraries that busybox requires? |
| 06:16.15 | welbo | ah, no |
| 06:16.28 | Christopher_ | rwhitby-web: well I might have to do it tomorrow because the ipkg-tools cvs mirror is down |
| 06:16.43 | rwhitby-web | "you need ls and busybox and any libraries they depend upon" |
| 06:17.15 | rwhitby-web | Christopher_: if you have an older version, you can just copy the file in your downloads directory to a new date... |
| 06:17.26 | Christopher_ | ok, I might do that then |
| 06:17.30 | Christopher_ | thanks |
| 06:27.03 | rwhitby-web | welbo: did that work? |
| 06:31.11 | ka6sox | rwhitby-web: is it okay to add libdb to unslung packages? |
| 06:31.41 | welbo | rwhitby-web: still trying to determine which lib's are required |
| 06:33.08 | rwhitby-web | ka6sox: sure, you don't need to ask me :-) Just do it. |
| 06:33.38 | ka6sox | rwhitby-web thanks. |
| 06:34.11 | rwhitby-web | welbo: try ld.so (and what it links to) and libc for a start. kergoth also had a LD_<SOMETHING> environment variable which tells you what libs are being loaded - that will be in the IRC logs from the last 48 hours. |
| 06:34.42 | rwhitby-web | back later |
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| 06:44.08 | kergoth | LD_TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS=1, if you dont feel like greeping the logs |
| 06:44.16 | kergoth | grepping, even |
| 06:44.40 | natsirtm | ^^ bash.org |
| 06:49.05 | welbo | ok, sweet |
| 06:49.10 | welbo | just came back from grepping |
| 06:49.19 | kergoth | heh. |
| 07:10.21 | rwhitby-away | welbo: if this works, you realise that we expect you to update the wiki, right? |