| 00:01.27 | Christopher | meaning that when i put the libraries into the lib folder for the compiler it says that it is skipping over them |
| 00:01.48 | Christopher | i am taking the libraries from the temp/work folder |
| 00:02.41 | pb_ | any particular directory under tmp/work, or just generally in that folder? |
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| 00:03.03 | Christopher | the ncurses folder |
| 00:03.39 | Christopher | i built ncurses using oebuild packages/ncurses/ncurses-native_5.4.oe |
| 00:03.47 | pb_ | no, you didn't. |
| 00:03.53 | pb_ | you built ncurses-native using that command. |
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| 00:05.54 | Christopher_ | then took the result out of the /temp/work/ncurses-???? (not sure of the exact path) and put them in the lib directory under /temp/cross/armev-linux/lib |
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| 00:06.23 | Christopher_ | oops i meant armeb-linux not armev-linux |
| 00:07.04 | pb_ | all -native packages are compiled to run on your build machine, not on the target. |
| 00:07.09 | UnspecifiedId | rwhitby: ping |
| 00:07.19 | Christopher_ | oh ok |
| 00:07.38 | pb_ | you need to build a non-native ncurses. |
| 00:07.49 | Christopher_ | mmmm ok, thanks |
| 00:08.04 | pb_ | (and it shouldn't be necessary to copy the files to cross/lib, anyway; that's what staging is for.) |
| 00:08.55 | Christopher_ | ok, thanks for the help : |
| 00:08.59 | Christopher_ | : ) |
| 00:25.47 | CIA-9 | 03rwhitby * 10unslung/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Updated dropbear to version 0.44test4 (which includes the ssh client) |
| 00:25.47 | rwhitby-away | UnspecifiedId: pong |
| 00:27.45 | CIA-9 | 03rwhitby * 10unslung/sources/dropbear/postinst: Made dropbear not create new keys if there are keys already there |
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| 00:31.59 | CIA-9 | 03rwhitby * 10unslung/sources/dropbear/postinst: Cleaned up the config output |
| 00:33.58 | rwhitby-away | we now have an ssh client that works on the slug. |
| 00:36.34 | _chris_ | i'd love to see an sshd that works on the slug. i read somewhere that someone managed to do it |
| 00:36.39 | rwhitby-away | oops - hang on. small error |
| 00:36.46 | rwhitby-away | dropbear is the sshd for the slug |
| 00:36.58 | rwhitby-away | but I've just broken it temporarily :-) |
| 00:37.03 | _chris_ | damn you! |
| 00:38.29 | rwhitby-away | will have it fixed in five |
| 00:38.42 | _chris_ | i'm just giving you a hard time :) |
| 00:48.57 | rwhitby-away | may be fixed now - testing |
| 00:49.56 | rwhitby-away | fixed |
| 00:51.06 | rwhitby-away | who thinks we should disallow password logins by default in the dropbear startup script? |
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| 00:54.56 | kergoth | rwhitby-away: you mean passwordless? |
| 00:55.23 | rwhitby-away | no, I mean public key logins by default in the dropbear startup script. |
| 00:55.37 | rwhitby-away | if people want to turn them back on, they remove the option from the startup script |
| 00:56.01 | kergoth | how would they get their key onto the device in the first place? or am i missing something? |
| 00:56.17 | rwhitby-away | same way they got in there to install the dropbear ipk :-) |
| 00:56.47 | rwhitby-away | but you're right, scp would be nice to have password on to load the key |
| 00:57.06 | rwhitby-away | ok, it'll be just dropbear by default, and people can add options to make it more secure. |
| 00:57.57 | ka6sox-laptop | good plan |
| 00:58.58 | rwhitby-away | Anyone know of any reason why I shouldn't open up sshd access to my production slug from the internet, using dropbear with the -w (no root logins) and -s (no password logins) options, and with ourtelnetrescue, guest and admin accounts removed from /etc/passwd? |
| 01:00.17 | jacques | i don't |
| 01:00.56 | rwhitby-away | [actually, guest account still there, but it's home directory doesn't exist, so it can't be used to get in via ssh |
| 01:01.18 | rwhitby-away | would be the same for outtelnetrescue, but I removed that out of principle |
| 01:01.37 | Tiersten | You can login with ourtelnetrescueuser if you generate the password |
| 01:02.04 | rwhitby-away | yeah, that's why I removed it from /etc/passwd, and also why I wanted to disable passwords in dropbear by default |
| 01:02.26 | Tiersten | this isn't running the stock stuff though is it? |
| 01:02.32 | rwhitby-away | Unslung |
| 01:02.36 | Tiersten | The telnet password gen prog adds it back in |
| 01:02.43 | Tiersten | At least I think it does... |
| 01:03.04 | rwhitby-away | not if my flashfs load blats /etc/password in rc.local ... |
| 01:03.28 | Tiersten | guess there shouldn't be any problems... |
| 01:04.00 | rwhitby-away | rc.local runs after the telnet stuff, and dropbear is not enabled until after rc.local has run. |
| 01:04.24 | rwhitby-away | so there should not be any window of opportunity, as the only port forwarded to the slug is sshd |
| 01:04.49 | _chris_ | OMG rwhitby j0uR 5lug g0t th3 0wn3d |
| 01:05.17 | rwhitby-away | any armeb rootkits out there? |
| 01:05.26 | ka6sox-laptop | script kiddies |
| 01:05.42 | ka6sox-laptop | they run in shell. |
| 01:06.01 | _chris_ | someone at work thought they were called "script kitties". pictures of cats at keyboards wearing bandit masks came to mind and i couldn't stop laughing. |
| 01:06.21 | ka6sox-laptop | lol |
| 01:06.40 | jacques | lol |
| 01:06.50 | rwhitby-away | bbiab - have to reboot router to enable port forward |
| 01:07.39 | rwhitby-away | heh - ssh to router from slug |
| 01:07.55 | Tiersten | Eww about the router needing to be rebooted to turn on port forwarding |
| 01:08.08 | jacques | most consumer ones seem to |
| 01:08.19 | Tiersten | Yeah. Most of the ones based on Linux still do |
| 01:08.29 | Tiersten | Just because it's "easier" to reboot it than to work out what needs to be changed in the current config |
| 01:08.40 | jacques | yep. silly |
| 01:09.18 | jacques | i guess most ppl change their settings so infrequently that it's not worth it for the manufacturers to fix it |
| 01:09.28 | Tiersten | yeah |
| 01:10.04 | jacques | or else most ppl are windows users and are just used to rebooting whenever they change the slightest thing - like the size of the font on the desktop |
| 01:10.16 | Tiersten | heh |
| 01:10.45 | Tiersten | Doesn't X require you to restart if you change the screen DPI? |
| 01:10.53 | ka6sox-laptop | no |
| 01:11.04 | ka6sox-laptop | ctrl-alt-+ to go up |
| 01:11.09 | Tiersten | No. That's resolution |
| 01:11.16 | ka6sox-laptop | oh...dunno |
| 01:11.22 | Tiersten | Even Windows lets you change the resolution without rebooting |
| 01:11.28 | jacques | heh |
| 01:11.44 | ka6sox-laptop | it *wants* you to reboot though |
| 01:11.44 | jacques | i remember when you had to reboot if you changed any of the tcp settings |
| 01:12.01 | Tiersten | ka6sox: You can just select the box that says don't reboot and never ask me again |
| 01:12.06 | Tiersten | I've never had any problems with it actually |
| 01:12.09 | _chris_ | jacques: remember? bah! doesn't take much to remember how it was 1 version of windows ago! ;-) |
| 01:12.18 | ka6sox-laptop | yeah..in W95 and 98 it wants you to though. |
| 01:12.23 | jacques | lol I guess you are right |
| 01:12.27 | jacques | repending on how you count |
| 01:12.34 | Tiersten | ka6sox: Nope. Install the QuickRes powertoy ;) |
| 01:12.43 | ka6sox-laptop | ah..good. |
| 01:13.30 | Tiersten | Windows has improved but it can't have gotten much worse. "Your mouse cursor has moved. Do you want to restart now? <YES> <OKAY>" |
| 01:14.16 | _chris_ | i like how it still takes like 4 reboots to go from a stock Windows XP install to a fully patched SP2 configuration. |
| 01:14.23 | ka6sox-laptop | unfortunately the Linux Desktop is still quite crude (ala W3.1) |
| 01:14.34 | Tiersten | Meh. Just integrate SP2 into the install media |
| 01:14.53 | _chris_ | my favorite part of windows is how you can't move the parent window when a dialog box opens and draws focus. often you can't minimize the window too. |
| 01:15.09 | Tiersten | _chris_: That's intentional actually |
| 01:15.13 | ka6sox-laptop | sp2: how many more holes can you open! |
| 01:15.14 | jacques | yeah modality |
| 01:15.29 | Tiersten | If you set the dialog box to be modal then you can't touch the parent |
| 01:15.41 | _chris_ | Tiersten: but then they encourage you to drop every file you own on the desktop, thereby preventing you from often times accessing the file (or putty program) you need to answer the question in the dialog. |
| 01:15.46 | Tiersten | You used to be able to set a dialog box to be system modal. Now that was FUN! ;) |
| 01:15.53 | jacques | _chris_, one time I installed XP from scratch and updated all my video/sound drivers, etc and counted 14 reboots |
| 01:16.12 | _chris_ | jacques: lol |
| 01:16.39 | kergoth | its always fun replacing motherboards/cpus/ram out from under windows |
| 01:17.16 | Tiersten | kergoth: Is that even possible with Windows? |
| 01:17.17 | rwhitby-away | ok, let's see who can own my slug first ... |
| 01:17.33 | rwhitby-away | you guys should know enough information to try ... |
| 01:17.33 | Tiersten | Everytime I've replaced a motherboard, Windows freaked because so much hardware changed |
| 01:17.46 | _chris_ | rwhitby-away: give it! (the ip) |
| 01:18.01 | jacques | used to be if you switched two pci cards, windows totally freaked |
| 01:18.02 | _chris_ | Your slug wants 0-day exploits. |
| 01:18.11 | kergoth | Tiersten: yeah, thats the point. its fun watching it *try* to recover though |
| 01:18.12 | jacques | heck it may still |
| 01:18.20 | rwhitby-away | hah! - any serious cracker would already know my machine's ip! |
| 01:18.21 | Tiersten | jacques: That's still true. Damn product activation... |
| 01:20.04 | jacques | i don't know why people put up with it |
| 01:21.16 | ka6sox-laptop | its called "lockin" |
| 01:22.03 | ka6sox-laptop | time to pack it in. |
| 01:22.12 | ka6sox-laptop | cya on the other side. |
| 01:22.20 | jacques | later ka6sox-l |
| 01:22.24 | jacques | later ka6sox-laptop |
| 01:24.44 | rwhitby-away | back later, when I get a CGI::IRC gateway :-) |
| 01:24.57 | rwhitby-away | or when I port an IRC client to the slug |
| 01:25.05 | tking | soon (tm) |
| 01:25.33 | rwhitby-away | [not complaining :-)] |
| 01:26.03 | tking | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:26.37 | rwhitby-away | what's the smallest, simplest (compilation wise) IRC client. Are there any simpler than irssi? |
| 01:27.02 | kergoth | ircii? |
| 01:27.07 | kergoth | how far back do you want to go? |
| 01:27.07 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:27.12 | kergoth | bitchx and epic are both based on ircci |
| 01:27.13 | Tiersten | telnet? |
| 01:27.14 | kergoth | er ircii |
| 01:27.16 | kergoth | haha |
| 01:27.19 | kergoth | yeah, there ya go |
| 01:27.46 | rwhitby-away | something that doesn't depend upon any other libraries to compile |
| 01:27.54 | rwhitby-away | [except libc of course] |
| 01:27.59 | jacques | heh |
| 01:28.08 | Tiersten | ircii needs curses from what I remember |
| 01:28.09 | kergoth | dunno what deps bitchx/epic/ircii have. |
| 01:28.17 | kergoth | irssi needs curses and glib 1.2 |
| 01:28.30 | rwhitby-away | kergoth: what IRC client do you have in OpenEmbedded packages? |
| 01:29.17 | rwhitby-away | [what, you don't have one? Bet Unslung will have one before OE, just like it got an IRC proxy before OE :-)] |
| 01:29.40 | rwhitby-away | ok, back later |
| 01:29.41 | kergoth | i dont think it has one |
| 01:29.42 | rwhitby-away | ciao |
| 01:29.45 | kergoth | treke keeps pestering me about irssi |
| 01:29.49 | kergoth | but there's no way i'm adding glib 1.2 |
| 01:30.47 | jacques | is glib so bad? |
| 01:30.52 | jacques | ooh, just old |
| 01:30.54 | jacques | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.15 | jacques | yeah I see 2.4.6 is on my gentoo box |
| 01:31.33 | kergoth | you'll note that glib-2.0 required a -native build to build the final |
| 01:31.40 | kergoth | time consuming to get it all happy |
| 01:31.42 | kergoth | and 1.2 is ancient |
| 01:31.45 | kergoth | hardly worth while |
| 01:31.49 | jacques | nod |
| 01:31.50 | kergoth | i'd rather make irssi work with glib2 |
| 01:33.29 | _chris_ | kergoth: i have glib-2.0 ported |
| 01:33.41 | kergoth | we've had glib 2.0 crosscompiling for ages. what about it? |
| 01:33.46 | _chris_ | i actually have glib-2.2.0 ported |
| 01:33.46 | kergoth | i'm talking about adding 1.2 |
| 01:33.50 | _chris_ | oh |
| 01:33.53 | kergoth | 2.4.6 is current in oe |
| 01:33.54 | _chris_ | nm then :) |
| 01:33.56 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:03.44 | _chris_ | was there any more work done on porting python to the slug? |
| 02:03.57 | kergoth | gah |
| 02:04.02 | kergoth | crosscompiling something is NOT porting it |
| 02:04.04 | _chris_ | guh? |
| 02:04.09 | _chris_ | ok |
| 02:04.18 | kergoth | oe can build it, so openslug has it. |
| 02:05.25 | _chris_ | i wonder if purl would be hard to cc |
| 02:05.38 | kergoth | perl is an absolute nightmare to crosscompile. |
| 02:05.41 | kergoth | ~perl's buildsystem |
| 02:05.43 | jbot | rumour has it, perl's buildsystem is the devil! |
| 02:06.28 | Tiersten | You ever tried to cross compile emacs? Now that's fun |
| 02:06.58 | kergoth | nope |
| 02:07.04 | kergoth | i started work on openoffice.org though |
| 02:07.07 | kergoth | its even worse than perl |
| 02:07.41 | Tiersten | Compiling emacs used to be incredibly fun. You built a bootstrap version from the source, start it up, loaded in all the elisp and then did a core dump basically |
| 02:07.51 | Tiersten | Process the core dump and that's your actual binary |
| 02:08.03 | kergoth | hah |
| 02:11.08 | jacques | yep |
| 02:11.18 | jacques | dump and undump |
| 02:11.52 | kergoth | so its just like most of hte other interpreted languages. you need a native php to build php. you need a native perl to build perl. you need a native python to build python |
| 02:12.23 | Tiersten | huh? You need a native PHP to build PHP? |
| 02:12.33 | Tiersten | I thought it was just compiled from the C source... |
| 02:12.50 | kergoth | ah thats right, you only need php-native if you want PEAR. |
| 02:12.59 | kergoth | PEAR requires a native php to build |
| 02:13.12 | Tiersten | ah |
| 02:14.30 | Tiersten | Sucks about Sharp withdrawing the Zaurus from all but Japan now |
| 02:14.45 | kergoth | we've known it was coming for years now |
| 02:14.52 | kergoth | i never expected the sl6000 to see the light of day |
| 02:14.58 | kergoth | but yeah, still sucks |
| 02:15.09 | Tiersten | Hardly anybody left making PDAs now |
| 02:15.27 | kergoth | i'm thinking about getting a palm tungsten myself. |
| 02:15.27 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:15.36 | kergoth | if i buy an ipaq i'll end up hacking on it, and i dont have time for that |
| 02:15.49 | Tiersten | I've used a T3 before and it was quite nice |
| 02:16.37 | kergoth | col |
| 02:16.40 | kergoth | er cool |
| 02:17.17 | Tiersten | I've got a prerelease Tungsten W as well but that's absolute brick |
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