| 00:07.29 | ka6sox-away | rebuilding the crosstools for the 3rd time :P |
| 00:08.49 | Tiersten | Why? |
| 00:08.51 | Tiersten | Oh yeah |
| 00:09.08 | Tiersten | They recommend that you use their specific version of GCC |
| 00:13.43 | ka6sox-away | I am. I think that X crashed and I forgot to put it in a screen session. |
| 00:13.56 | ka6sox-away | (i Know that X crashed) |
| 00:14.20 | Tiersten | ah okay. Just checking. If you use the latest GCC then it complains at some point because they've change the semantics of something |
| 00:14.35 | Tiersten | I can't remember where it is exactly but I've got some patch for it but it's not approved |
| 00:14.44 | Tiersten | Easier and safer to just use their approved version of GCC |
| 00:31.49 | VoodooZ | Any idea why I would get this openslug build: ? |
| 00:31.54 | VoodooZ | NOTE: package nslu2-openslug-2.6.7-r1: task do_package started |
| 00:31.54 | VoodooZ | NOTE: No locale files in this package |
| 00:31.54 | VoodooZ | depmod: ELF file /local/nslu2/openslug/build/tmp/tmp/work/nslu2-openslug-2.6.7-r1/image/lib/modules/2.6.7/kernel/drivers/input/input.ko not for this architecture |
| 00:45.22 | [g2]-away | VoodooZ, those were the errors I was chasing in the later part of yesterday |
| 00:45.33 | [g2]-away | You get them for like 20 modules |
| 00:46.21 | [g2]-away | I think it comes from the 2.4.27 modutils running the wrong dependency check |
| 00:47.06 | [g2] | Tiersten, did I musings on JTAG make any sense ? |
| 00:47.14 | [g2] | s/I/my/ |
| 00:49.36 | Tiersten | What capability to do a partial shift are you talking about? |
| 00:51.53 | [g2] | My understanding is that there are different "register" sets for a given part |
| 00:51.58 | Tiersten | There are |
| 00:52.32 | [g2] | It was my understanding that you could shift in some of the specific sets, like maybe the address bus |
| 00:52.34 | Tiersten | No |
| 00:52.39 | Tiersten | It doesn't work like that |
| 00:52.47 | Tiersten | The registers are defined by the manufacturer |
| 00:52.53 | [g2] | correct |
| 00:53.03 | Tiersten | We've got BSR, BR, DIR, DBGRX, DBGTX, DCSR, LDIC, BIST and SNAPDAT |
| 00:53.19 | Tiersten | There isn't a BSR which covers just the flash pins for example |
| 00:53.23 | [g2] | BSR is the whole 498 bits right |
| 00:53.28 | Tiersten | For the IXP42x yes |
| 00:53.59 | [g2] | what are the other regs ? |
| 00:54.05 | Tiersten | I just said them |
| 00:54.07 | Tiersten | Look up a bit |
| 00:54.29 | [g2] | I meant what they mean, not there names |
| 00:54.39 | Tiersten | BSR you know |
| 00:54.43 | [g2] | nod. |
| 00:54.46 | Tiersten | BR = Bypass Register = 1 bit |
| 00:54.50 | VoodooZ | Sorry for the last reply. I was trying desperately to find a way around that error |
| 00:54.53 | Tiersten | DIR = ID register = 32 bits |
| 00:55.01 | Tiersten | DBGRX = RX debug register |
| 00:55.06 | Tiersten | DBGTX = TX debug register |
| 00:55.11 | Tiersten | Both 36 bits |
| 00:55.22 | Tiersten | DCSR = Debug control/status register |
| 00:55.31 | Tiersten | LDIC = Load core I cache |
| 00:55.35 | Tiersten | BIST = Built in self test |
| 00:55.40 | Tiersten | SNAPDAT = something to do with snapshot mode |
| 00:55.43 | VoodooZ | How come it doesn't happen normally though? |
| 00:56.13 | [g2] | VoodooZ, unknown at this point |
| 00:56.21 | Tiersten | I've not seen anything which you let you do what you said |
| 00:56.21 | [g2] | Tiersten, excellent thank-you |
| 00:56.33 | Tiersten | You have to shift the full 498 bits |
| 00:56.57 | [g2] | Ah... ok |
| 00:57.12 | [g2] | maybe that's the difference between JTAG and EJTAG |
| 00:57.21 | [g2] | there may be some extensions |
| 00:57.33 | Tiersten | Did you read this somewhere? |
| 00:57.49 | Tiersten | I don't have the spec for EJTAG |
| 00:58.00 | Tiersten | Only for IEEE 1149.1 |
| 00:58.05 | [g2] | actually I guy was working on trying to hack the Broadcom 4712 in the Wrt |
| 00:58.14 | Tiersten | huh? |
| 00:58.21 | [g2] | damn I cant type for sh** tonight |
| 00:58.35 | [g2] | actually a guy who I know was |
| 00:58.44 | Tiersten | ah |
| 00:59.10 | [g2] | supposedly he figured out enough to reflash and de-brick his unit |
| 00:59.33 | Tiersten | Getting JTAG to work with say the openwince tools with a new CPU and flash part isn't hard |
| 00:59.43 | Tiersten | You need the BSDL though |
| 01:00.00 | [g2] | :) There is none for the Broadcom part |
| 01:00.00 | Tiersten | Without that or equiv info then it's pretty much impossible without tedious trial and error |
| 01:00.33 | Tiersten | Broadcom are useless about documentation |
| 01:00.33 | Tiersten | Not with a NDA anyway |
| 01:00.33 | [g2] | nod. |
| 01:01.02 | Tiersten | If you've got enough time then you can sit there and try every bit of the BSR to see what it toggles and monitor the flash pins at the same time |
| 01:01.18 | Tiersten | The flash part should be documented regarding the programming algorithms so that part is okay |
| 01:01.22 | [g2] | Ok, so we really want an fpga or fairly fast microprocessor driving the JTAG |
| 01:01.25 | Tiersten | That's all you really need to do |
| 01:01.26 | Tiersten | Yes |
| 01:01.36 | Tiersten | It's tedious work however |
| 01:01.39 | ka6sox-away | like a Spartan III |
| 01:01.49 | ka6sox-away | running at 200mhaz |
| 01:02.03 | [g2] | 133 ? |
| 01:02.08 | Tiersten | I still need to order one. I've only got a S2 board |
| 01:03.21 | ka6sox-away | sII/sIII either one... |
| 01:03.22 | Tiersten | Okay. I've found the EJTAG spec. It's a extension by MIPS |
| 01:03.29 | [g2] | Tiersten, is there a limit on the CLK signal for the JTAG ? |
| 01:03.35 | Tiersten | They've added 3 registers |
| 01:03.43 | Tiersten | An address, data and a control one |
| 01:03.50 | Tiersten | That's what you were thinking of |
| 01:04.01 | [g2] | yes |
| 01:04.08 | Tiersten | Pretty much only exists on MIPS devices however |
| 01:04.11 | [g2] | ah... |
| 01:04.13 | Tiersten | Which the IXP42x isn't |
| 01:04.28 | [g2] | Tiersten, nod. Thanks for all the clarification |
| 01:04.43 | Tiersten | The limit is based on the target device |
| 01:05.20 | [g2] | I'm sure many others will appreciate it too |
| 01:05.37 | [g2] | Yes, I'm guessing you know our targets limit :) |
| 01:06.03 | Tiersten | I don't think we've got any problems about hitting the limit |
| 01:06.48 | Tiersten | uh. I don't think we've got any worries about hitting the limit |
| 01:07.10 | [g2] | so > 133Mhz from a Spartan III wouldn't be a problem ? |
| 01:07.48 | ka6sox-away | no... |
| 01:07.48 | Tiersten | I'd be impressed if you can get it to run full speed |
| 01:08.54 | [g2] | ka6sox, no as in wouldn't be a problem or no as it won't run that fast ? |
| 01:09.36 | ka6sox-away | no it shouldn't be a problem |
| 01:10.51 | [g2] | I would think that 100Mhz rates would be possible |
| 01:11.12 | [g2] | It probably depends on the clocking distribution for the xilinx |
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| 01:12.08 | [g2] | so 100Mhz / 498 bits = 2K clocks / second |
| 01:12.18 | rwhitby-treo | ping |
| 01:12.32 | [g2] | I hope everybody is well |
| 01:13.32 | rwhitby-treo | weather is perfect, sleeping bags are warm and the beer is cold (and so is the lake) |
| 01:13.43 | [g2] | we need to sign rwhitby up for an irc 12-step program :) |
| 01:13.47 | ka6sox-away | rwhitby-treo: sounds nice.. |
| 01:13.53 | Tiersten | rwhitby-away: Got a BBQ? :) |
| 01:14.28 | rwhitby-treo | yep, bacon and eggs for breakfast, and tea from the billy |
| 01:15.16 | [g2] | yeah but I'll bet he doesn't have a solar hookup and an NSLU2 there for testing :) |
| 01:16.14 | rwhitby-treo | true, but I can ssh back to the one at home if necessary :-) |
| 01:16.17 | [g2] | either that or the alarm bells went off when I was signed on as rwitby earlier and dyoung was me |
| 01:17.31 | rwhitby-treo | so you guys finished openslug yet? |
| 01:18.52 | [g2] | no not yet. Yesterday was a painful day. Need to understand oe better some changes to openslug.conf weren't behaving |
| 01:19.09 | [g2] | and still aren't fully behaving |
| 01:19.14 | VoodooZ | Damn right! I've got a headache because of it! |
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| 01:20.08 | VoodooZ | And of course the darn thing takes forever to recompile. |
| 01:20.34 | VoodooZ | So it makes testing stuff painful ashell |
| 01:20.59 | dyoung-web | Pain is temporary. |
| 01:21.04 | [g2] | rwhitby-treo, http://www.gizmodo.com/archives/sprintbranded-treo-650-pictures-022366.php |
| 01:21.06 | dyoung-web | Wounds Heal. |
| 01:21.21 | dyoung-web | Wounds Heal, Pain is Temporary, Chicks dig Scars. |
| 01:21.24 | rwhitby-treo | hey dyoung |
| 01:21.45 | VoodooZ | I know, but until someone finds the problem I'm pulling my hair out (and believe me I don't have much left!) |
| 01:22.14 | VoodooZ | Don't get me started with chicks! :) |
| 01:22.30 | dyoung-web | My hair is all gone too. |
| 01:22.33 | [g2] | VoodooZ, it's a process issue and I had it yesterday and haven't looked at it today |
| 01:22.35 | dyoung-web | Hi Rwhitby-camping |
| 01:22.49 | rwhitby-treo | g2: that's my next toy, er, business tool |
| 01:23.00 | dyoung-web | rwhitby-camping, so are you a 30-something or 40-something? |
| 01:23.23 | rwhitby-lake | 30-... |
| 01:23.39 | dyoung-web | Yay, that makes 2 of us in that club. |
| 01:24.11 | rwhitby-lake | g2's the old man ... |
| 01:24.44 | [g2] | actually ka6sox and Codewacker are [g2]++ |
| 01:25.04 | [g2] | besides I'm *very* young at heart |
| 01:25.19 | VoodooZ | Well, I'm counting on you [g2] as I don't that many people are working on it as this point. |
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| 01:25.53 | dyoung-web | heh, I've been wanting to say this all day. |
| 01:26.06 | dyoung-web | [g2] has arm's coming out of his ears! |
| 01:26.43 | [g2] | I'm quite pleased with the TS-7200 |
| 01:27.15 | [g2] | I especially like the 6MB JFFS2 root fs |
| 01:27.44 | [g2] | actually it's like 6.5MB |
| 01:28.11 | ka6sox-away | ah |
| 01:29.02 | dyoung-web | so maybe that Cirrus devkit is overkill then for dyoung? |
| 01:29.13 | [g2] | Creating 3 MTD partitions on "TS-7200 flash": |
| 01:29.13 | [g2] | 0x00000000-0x00020000 : "TS-BOOTROM" |
| 01:29.13 | [g2] | 0x00020000-0x00620000 : "Linux" |
| 01:29.13 | [g2] | 0x00620000-0x00800000 : "RedBoot" |
| 01:29.38 | [g2] | The rootfs is mounted rw |
| 01:30.25 | [g2] | They can NFS boot and exec -c ... works with there kerenl |
| 01:30.29 | [g2] | or nel |
| 01:30.52 | VoodooZ | [g2]: Have any leads on that process issue for me so I can make myself useless in the meantime?? |
| 01:33.39 | [g2] | VoodooZ, no. I'm guessing there are two issues at hand |
| 01:34.14 | [g2] | 1) When openslug.conf changes it doesn't get recognized in the dependancies |
| 01:35.00 | [g2] | 2) adding modules brings in the 2.4.27 modutils stuff and that gets hosed up |
| 01:35.43 | VoodooZ | yep, and 1) is certainly annoying as I have wipe tmp everytime to get anything done. |
| 01:36.11 | VoodooZ | I wish kergoth was here. He could probably tell us right away. Or whoever ported nlsu2 to OE. |
| 01:36.13 | [g2] | I think it's trying to determine module dependancies with the host tools (x86) in my case and the modules are armeb based |
| 01:36.27 | VoodooZ | sounds right. |
| 01:36.37 | [g2] | yes it might be a good question to ask in #oe |
| 01:36.44 | VoodooZ | OE is nice and all but it's certainly confusing to find stuff. |
| 01:37.45 | [g2] | yes, but we've got at least a half-dozen active dev's. With many eyes all problems are shallow |
| 01:38.22 | VoodooZ | well, it seems we're the only two playing with openslug lately. It's awfully quiet in here. |
| 01:39.02 | [g2] | actually 5 iirc |
| 01:39.17 | VoodooZ | yeah, I haven't seen them in a while though. Oh well. |
| 01:39.26 | [g2] | me, VoodooZ, Codewhacker, kas11, and ka6sox |
| 01:39.35 | [g2] | and joule3601away |
| 01:39.48 | VoodooZ | Actually, I just found something related to #2: check packages/modutils/ There's only a 2.4.27 file! |
| 01:39.56 | rwhitby-lake | and me :-) |
| 01:40.01 | rwhitby-lake | ok ciao |
| 01:40.04 | VoodooZ | later |
| 01:40.12 | [g2] | Have a GREAT TIME! |
| 01:40.18 | VoodooZ | Yes! |
| 01:40.23 | rwhitby-lake | am |
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| 01:40.25 | ka6sox-away | bye rwhity-lake! |
| 01:40.29 | ka6sox-away | rats |
| 01:40.39 | ka6sox-away | day late and a dime short. |
| 01:40.55 | [g2] | it's the lag to down-under :) |
| 01:41.02 | ka6sox-away | ya |
| 01:41.24 | VoodooZ | there's a modutils-cross_2.4.27.oe file in there that determines which depmod tool to run. |
| 01:42.16 | [g2] | right and we may need to remove that dependancy somehow or get the 2.6 version |
| 01:42.40 | VoodooZ | Do you think we could steal a copy from another package or project ??? |
| 01:43.01 | [g2] | VoodooZ, I think we just need to understand what's happening |
| 01:43.09 | [g2] | wanna bop over to #oe with me ? |
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| 01:43.17 | VoodooZ | ok. |
| 01:43.22 | [g2] | see you there |
| 01:48.18 | VoodooZ | I just wish I had a better understanding of OE. I feel so powerless. And I spend the whole day reading stuff. still... |
| 01:48.56 | [g2] | VoodooZ, I understand your frustration |
| 01:49.34 | ka6sox-away | i've been fighting the bk installer...it tells me one thing but then does another! |
| 01:49.41 | VoodooZ | The reason I'm so pushy is I can't start working on my robot's AI until I have the board working to a minimum. |
| 01:50.24 | VoodooZ | If only I could get those modules in and i2c working then I could start developing code. |
| 01:50.42 | [g2] | VoodooZ, you can just build the kernel with a crosstools cross-compiler or even just build with the cross-compiler built with oe |
| 01:50.48 | ka6sox-away | g2: is it nslu2.bkbits.net? |
| 01:51.04 | [g2] | make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=/home/tom/bk_openslug/build/tmp/work/gcc-cross-3.4.2-r0/image/home/tom/bk_openslug/build/tmp/cross/bin/armeb-linux-uclibc- menuconfig |
| 01:51.09 | [g2] | ka6sox, yes |
| 01:51.16 | [g2] | ka6sox, no |
| 01:51.25 | [g2] | ka6sox, nslu2-linux. |
| 01:51.32 | VoodooZ | what's that? for bk repo? |
| 01:51.45 | ka6sox-away | I want to start a local repo here on my dev box |
| 01:51.47 | [g2] | http://www.bkbits.net/ |
| 01:51.55 | VoodooZ | that's it. |
| 01:51.57 | [g2] | That lists all the projects |
| 01:52.19 | ka6sox-away | okay so what command do I use to pull down what has been done. |
| 01:52.27 | VoodooZ | I'm so desperate I feel like creating a 2.6.7 modutils file! |
| 01:52.27 | ka6sox-away | and populate my repo |
| 01:52.56 | VoodooZ | I made myself a nice notes.txt file with all those command for my bad memory |
| 01:52.57 | [g2] | ka6sox, the wiki has a link to kergoth's instructions and there are some tips on the wiki |
| 01:53.07 | ka6sox-away | okay looking |
| 01:53.13 | ka6sox-away | (I should know this!) |
| 01:53.45 | [g2] | VoodooZ, we can certainly update the wiki |
| 01:53.59 | VoodooZ | ka6sox: are you just starting with bk or? |
| 01:54.09 | ka6sox-away | yes |
| 01:54.44 | VoodooZ | the problem with the wiki is that everyday I check the recent changes and on long pages it's hard to say what changed. Unless there's some other way? |
| 01:55.01 | ka6sox-away | recent changes is the way to tell |
| 01:55.55 | VoodooZ | but it only tells you which page not where. |
| 01:56.21 | ka6sox-away | you have to loook at the history link on the bottom |
| 01:56.29 | ka6sox-away | it tells you what has changed. |
| 01:57.09 | [g2] | bbiab |
| 01:58.14 | VoodooZ | ah! Sorry I never noticed that. Thanks mate. |
| 01:58.36 | VoodooZ | Let me know if I can help you with any basic BK/OE setup questions (that's all I know!) |
| 02:00.25 | ka6sox-away | what are the repositories...nslu2-linux.bkbits.net/???? |
| 02:01.11 | ka6sox-away | oe and packages? |
| 02:01.40 | VoodooZ | Have you followed the setup intro at http://openembedded.org/oe_wiki/index.php/NSLU2AnyU2?? |
| 02:02.31 | VoodooZ | then you can simply: bk clone bk://nslu2-linux.bkbits.net/packages and bk clone bk://nslu2-linux.bkbits.net/oe from the root folder. |
| 02:03.28 | VoodooZ | [g2]: Actually, the modutils_2.4.27 denotes the version of the tool and not the kernel so I was totally off as usual! |
| 02:04.39 | ka6sox-away | VoodooZ: its working...thanks. |
| 02:05.50 | VoodooZ | From then on you can simply run: bk pull; bk -r co -q from within the packages/oe folder to get the latest updates. |
| 02:06.30 | VoodooZ | But do read the bitkeeper intro when you have a chance as you'll quickly hit a wall like me otherwise. I'm still confused about things. |
| 02:06.45 | ka6sox-away | okay I will |
| 02:07.26 | VoodooZ | btw, what's the kernel version for the stock NSLU2? |
| 02:07.41 | ka6sox-away | 2.4.22 iirc |
| 02:07.47 | VoodooZ | ok. |
| 02:07.51 | VoodooZ | thanks. |
| 02:07.58 | ka6sox-away | yw |
| 02:21.14 | ka6sox-away | time for food...Itsuki! |
| 02:22.09 | VoodooZ | funny. I just got a bag of doritos! I'm always hungry after the convenience store closes! :) |
| 02:22.33 | ka6sox-away | what time is it there? |
| 02:22.35 | ka6sox-away | after 10? |
| 02:22.50 | VoodooZ | yeah, 10:39. and I thikn it closes at 11pm. |
| 02:23.04 | ka6sox-away | go man! |
| 02:23.13 | VoodooZ | I'm already eating it! :) |
| 02:23.16 | ka6sox-away | only 7:23 here. |
| 02:23.35 | ka6sox-away | early supper |
| 02:23.54 | VoodooZ | That's good! More hacking time left! I have a wedding early tommorow so I can't stay up as late tonight. |
| 02:24.13 | VoodooZ | Are you planning on working on openslug too? |
| 02:24.14 | ka6sox-away | okay did a bk clone and it was successful |
| 02:24.31 | ka6sox-away | only as it relates to the hardware hacks for memory expansion. |
| 02:24.38 | VoodooZ | Believe me, it's gets tougher from there. :( |
| 02:24.47 | VoodooZ | ic |
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| 02:50.01 | [g2] | nite all |
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| 03:53.58 | VoodooZ | Hey man! |
| 03:55.27 | VoodooZ | CodeWhacker: we got a serious problem with openslug.conf |
| 03:55.41 | CodeWhacker | VoodooZ, what's the prob? |
| 03:56.24 | VoodooZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:56.31 | VoodooZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:57.41 | VoodooZ | This causes weird errors during depmod saying it's the wrong arch. |
| 03:58.17 | VoodooZ | But then again, maybe you're busy with something else. |
| 03:58.46 | CodeWhacker | I'm lettinh usbnet percolate for a while |
| 03:58.59 | VoodooZ | is that on openslug or? |
| 03:59.02 | CodeWhacker | you mean depmod on the build host |
| 03:59.21 | VoodooZ | well, the one near the end of oemake boostrap-image. |
| 03:59.54 | CodeWhacker | I see those errors too, but the modules still get built and added to the ramdisk. I haven't had a chance to chase it yet. |
| 04:00.14 | VoodooZ | Really? Mine just dies. |
| 04:00.19 | CodeWhacker | ! |
| 04:00.47 | VoodooZ | How do you mount drives though? the scsi modules required are not installed. |
| 04:01.30 | CodeWhacker | actually, I hadn't even tried mounting a drive yet. been too focused, I guess |
| 04:01.59 | VoodooZ | I see. That's what I tried to do first as I don't have a usbnet yet. |
| 04:02.48 | VoodooZ | I tried adding kernel-module-scsi-mod, kernel-module-sd-mod, kernel-module-ext3 and kernel-module-jbd as suggested by [g2] but I get only more problems. |
| 04:03.57 | VoodooZ | yeah, that damn oe! |
| 04:04.31 | CodeWhacker | it's not bad. every time I learn something new, it makes perfect sense in retrospect |
| 04:04.50 | VoodooZ | That brings us to prob. #1: whenever I modify openslug.conf to add those modules it won't rebuild automatically without a complete wipe of tmp. |
| 04:05.15 | CodeWhacker | oemake -c clean nslu2-openslug |
| 04:05.39 | VoodooZ | I'm sure I tried that once to twice. |
| 04:06.14 | VoodooZ | Anyways, if you are looking for a small challenge (a good break from usbnet!) try getting drives to mount and I'll be real happy. |
| 04:06.17 | CodeWhacker | it works for me. the strange part is that the bootstrap-image filename doesn't change |
| 04:07.53 | VoodooZ | uh? what works? |
| 04:08.09 | CodeWhacker | oemake -c clean nslu2-openslug; oemake bootstrap-image |
| 04:08.52 | VoodooZ | Yes, but try modding openslug.conf with the additiional kernel-modules... |
| 04:09.14 | CodeWhacker | umm... how do you suppose I got the usbnet modules in there? |
| 04:09.21 | VoodooZ | Another related prob: the modules deps are not made correctly as it boots and complains. |
| 04:09.37 | VoodooZ | good point! |
| 04:09.39 | CodeWhacker | that's the modutils thing. |
| 04:09.51 | dyoung-web | Codewhacker, oh yeah, thanks for reminding me, I need to take home the kaweth today. |
| 04:09.53 | VoodooZ | Can you push those changes then so. |
| 04:10.20 | CodeWhacker | dyoung-web, np |
| 04:11.03 | CodeWhacker | VoodooZ, which changes? the usbnet changes were pushed last week |
| 04:11.20 | VoodooZ | nope. the disk access ones. |
| 04:11.37 | CodeWhacker | ah... well, got to get them working first, right? |
| 04:12.00 | VoodooZ | wow! It must be time for bed for me as I get confused easily! |
| 04:12.30 | VoodooZ | I thought you said you already had usb storage (which needs SCSI-mod) as you needed it to get usb-net working. confused. |
| 04:12.58 | VoodooZ | before I forget: when you do your oemake -c clean operation, do you absolutely have to be in your build folder??? |
| 04:16.01 | VoodooZ | I just understood your earlier comment about usbnet. my bad. |
| 04:16.19 | CodeWhacker | i do all the build ops from my build folder. I accidentally did 'oemake bootstrap-image' in packages once and ended up with a 'tmp' folder |
| 04:16.54 | CodeWhacker | in 'packages' |
| 04:17.36 | VoodooZ | really? umm I got so paranoid after reading the oe howto as it said to do it in build. |
| 04:18.13 | VoodooZ | well, I have to go to bed now but if you do get the extra scsi modules in or discover anything new about hte modutil crap please post it here so I can see it tommorow. |
| 04:18.14 | VoodooZ | Thanks. |
| 04:18.25 | CodeWhacker | sure. g'nite |
| 04:18.29 | VoodooZ | night |
| 04:22.18 | dyoung-web | New In Box kaweth. Been saving it for a rainy day. How appropriate it really IS raining today. |
| 04:22.38 | CodeWhacker | dyoung-web, good one |
| 04:23.47 | CodeWhacker | dyoung-web, what's the brand/model/etc? |
| 04:28.04 | dyoung-web | Netgear. Err, EA101. I got it free when I bought some hubs a few years back |
| 04:29.05 | CodeWhacker | thx. I'll keep an eye on the clearance shelves. |
| 04:50.19 | dyoung-web | I did. There was a sale at compusa a few weeks back, so I got the 54G netgear. |
| 04:50.26 | dyoung-web | I frogot the model number tho |
| 04:50.40 | dyoung-web | It works pretty well, but it runs stinkin HOT. |
| 04:52.03 | CodeWhacker | the linksys runs pretty hot, too |
| 05:07.29 | ka6sox | rats...missed dyoung-web |
| 05:11.37 | ka6sox | CodeWhacker: are the 2 kernels for OpenSLUG 2.4.27 and 2.6.7? |
| 05:14.15 | CodeWhacker | 2.4.22, I think |
| 05:14.20 | CodeWhacker | and 2.6.7 |
| 05:15.15 | ka6sox | okay thanks |
| 05:15.16 | CodeWhacker | np |
| 05:15.16 | ka6sox | wanted to pull the right sources. |
| 06:16.09 | ka6sox | Tiersten: you up? |
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| 06:33.32 | dyoung | Arr! |
| 06:33.45 | dyoung | Everything I touch crashes. |
| 06:34.12 | ka6sox | me too. |
| 06:34.31 | dyoung-food | bbiab |
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| 06:43.09 | ka6sox | hiya |
| 06:43.35 | ka6sox | quiet in here. |
| 06:43.42 | rwhitby-treo | howdy |
| 06:43.57 | ka6sox | got bk setup and cloned. |
| 06:44.05 | rwhitby-treo | that time of day |
| 06:44.13 | ka6sox | here? |
| 06:44.50 | ka6sox | I cloned it about 7pm local. it's 11:45pm now |
| 06:45.10 | rwhitby-treo | yep, always quiet this time of the 24 hour cycle |
| 06:45.52 | ka6sox | as you say ~ugt |
| 06:47.31 | ka6sox | how is the lake? |
| 06:48.56 | rwhitby-treo | busy - late afternoon |
| 06:49.18 | ka6sox | sail or power boats? |
| 06:49.30 | rwhitby-treo | both |
| 06:58.21 | dyoung-food | Everyone is sleeping usually. |
| 06:59.39 | ka6sox | as I should be |
| 07:00.06 | ka6sox | but instead I'm looking into doing an autoprobe of memory to find the end. |
| 07:03.21 | rwhitby-treo | dyoung: you got the paypal ok? |
| 07:03.33 | ka6sox | same here? arrive okay? |
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| 07:13.40 | dyoung | Not sure, I didnt check. |
| 07:14.08 | ka6sox | headed into SC...bbs |
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| 08:26.30 | ka6sox | weird |
| 08:26.33 | ka6sox | I died. |
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| 10:25.22 | dyoung | I always croak in SC. |
| 10:54.54 | DrStrangelove | Is the NSLU2 a little endian or big endian machine? |
| 10:56.48 | dyoung | its be. |
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| 16:28.03 | ka6sox-zzzz | Tiersten: I don't see where the SDRAM registers are defined in ixpd425.h |
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| 19:40.38 | gerrynjr | just ordered mine from newegg 9) |
| 19:40.41 | gerrynjr | 8) |
| 19:40.56 | perlguru | congrats! |
| 19:41.09 | perlguru | welcome to the club |
| 19:41.13 | gerrynjr | looks like a nice device to mess with |
| 19:41.19 | gerrynjr | not all the diff from my zaurus |
| 19:41.23 | perlguru | it is |
| 19:41.24 | gerrynjr | and thanks |
| 19:41.31 | gerrynjr | well, no screen 8) |
| 19:41.34 | gerrynjr | same arch |
| 19:41.50 | perlguru | it even runs openembedded :) |
| 19:42.04 | gerrynjr | hmm, does OE use the flash as /, or the hdd? |
| 19:42.19 | gerrynjr | if you sue the flash, you could kill the device :( |
| 19:42.20 | gerrynjr | use |
| 19:42.48 | perlguru | i am not using OE, I use Unslung |
| 19:42.58 | gerrynjr | after 100000 writes or so, you kill the flash :( |
| 19:43.23 | gerrynjr | does unslung use the / on the hdd? |
| 19:44.49 | perlguru | don't know, but it should. Unslung uses / on hdd |
| 19:44.57 | perlguru | :) |
| 19:45.32 | gerrynjr | nice |
| 19:45.41 | gerrynjr | so if I install dropbear, it will install to tthe hdd |
| 19:45.50 | perlguru | yes |
| 19:46.14 | gerrynjr | this will make a very nice proxy for me @ work.. so I can run irc remotely and such |
| 19:46.19 | perlguru | read the unlung howto on website |
| 19:46.33 | perlguru | or run a webserver ;) |
| 19:47.28 | gerrynjr | yeah, i'm reading now |
| 19:47.46 | perlguru | i'm busy upgrading to 1.11-beta |
| 19:48.47 | gerrynjr | hmm, this is quite interesting |
| 19:50.35 | perlguru | cool stuff isn't it? |
| 19:51.13 | gerrynjr | yup |
| 19:51.40 | gerrynjr | I love taking a device, and extending it w/ open source... |
| 19:51.46 | gerrynjr | did it to my xbox as well 8) |
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| 20:02.24 | CodeWhacker | arrghh! 2.6.8 broke usb on my desktop! anyone have a suggestion before I roll back to 2.4? |
| 21:20.30 | dyoung | codewhacker, what did it break? |
| 21:21.19 | kergoth | heh, he left |
| 21:28.03 | dyoung | oh drat. Didnt see that. |
| 21:28.25 | dyoung | thats what happens when I look at the computer first thing waking up. |
| 21:30.08 | kergoth | coffee first, irc second |
| 21:34.10 | dyoung | kergoth, this is a total noob question; but if I take my entire OEROOT off the desktop and cram it somewhere in my laptop, I should be able to build stuff without internet access right; assuming all the important bits are already wget-ed? |
| 21:34.44 | kergoth | yeah, but remember that some things in tmp/ have hardcoded paths |
| 21:34.56 | kergoth | autoconf & friends set their perl search paths for example |
| 21:35.09 | kergoth | i just set DL_DIR and keep the sources around |
| 21:35.42 | kergoth | dyoung: oemake -k -c fetch [whatever] will just download the sources, so you can do that before going offline |
| 21:36.48 | dyoung | Kergoth, Thanks! I'll be without internet access for 2 weeks. Its going to suck. |
| 21:36.56 | kergoth | doh |
| 21:38.09 | dyoung | The even sucker part is most of those 2 weeks will be with seasickness unless these drugs are effective. |
| 21:38.21 | kergoth | ah. where ya heading? |
| 21:41.55 | dyoung | Scripps in San Diego. |
| 21:42.07 | dyoung | It'll be nice and bumpy this time of year. |
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| 21:42.29 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:42.30 | dyoung | and knowing *my* luck we'll run into one of them hurricaines too. |
| 21:48.46 | gerrynjr | kergoth: you are behind this one as well? 8) |
| 21:49.07 | dyoung | ~praise kergoth |
| 21:49.08 | jbot | All hail kergoth! |
| 21:49.11 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:49.42 | gerrynjr | kergoth: zaurus, nslu2... |
| 21:50.23 | kergoth | ah. |
| 21:50.54 | gerrynjr | kergoth: or, are you behind openembedded for the nslu2? |
| 21:51.08 | kergoth | i wouldnt say i'm behind it. i have one, and i support their use of oe |
| 21:51.17 | gerrynjr | ah, cool |
| 21:51.19 | kergoth | i plan to get more involved with the kernel and bootloader work when i find the time |
| 21:51.28 | gerrynjr | just ordered one myself |
| 21:52.37 | gerrynjr | interesting platform... |
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| 21:54.41 | dyoung | started playing the u-boot. All the bits seem to be there; but ixp425 doesnt seem to be a target in the makefile yet. |
| 22:05.32 | CodeWhacker | dyoung, how close is the ixdp425? |
| 22:14.30 | dyoung | Not sure, It does look like all the stuff is there, but I played with it for a total of 15min. |
| 22:15.57 | dyoung | Of course no ethernet. |
| 22:16.02 | CodeWhacker | of course |
| 22:16.05 | CodeWhacker | :( |
| 22:17.03 | CodeWhacker | 2.6.8 breaks usb, and 2.6.9 breaks nVidia |
| 22:17.10 | CodeWhacker | can't win |
| 22:17.37 | gerrynjr | CodeWhacker: i'm still on 2.6.5 as a result... |
| 22:17.53 | gerrynjr | 2.6.7 for me broke java :( |
| 22:18.51 | CodeWhacker | I'm going to stick with 2.4.x for a while |
| 22:20.33 | kergoth | usb works just fine for me |
| 22:21.03 | CodeWhacker | I *knew* somebody was going to say that! |
| 22:21.38 | CodeWhacker | what'd you do special, kergoth? |
| 22:22.09 | Tiersten | IXP420/425 is the CPU itself. IXDP425 is the Intel development board for the IXP425. |
| 22:22.29 | gerrynjr | what speed do these processors run at? |
| 22:23.12 | Tiersten | 266 in the NSLU2 |
| 22:24.08 | gerrynjr | ah... |
| 22:26.44 | dyoung | Oh, is THAT what you were asking. I thought you were asking how close it was to being able to compile the thing. |
| 22:30.01 | gerrynjr | dyoung: would be cool to get gcc hosted locally on the box.. |
| 22:30.10 | gerrynjr | that way compiles could be done on the machine... |
| 22:30.32 | Tiersten | The NSLU2 is based on the IXDP425 dev platform. Some stuff has been taken out but it's close enough |
| 22:32.01 | CodeWhacker | so theoretically, the IXDP425 u-boot mighr run on a slug (less ethernet, of course) |
| 22:32.41 | Tiersten | If you change it so that it knows it's only got 32MB of RAM and the correct location of the flash |
| 22:33.09 | Tiersten | Still doesn't solve the issue about lack of ethernet. If you're dedicated enough then you could port the NPE driver package from eCos to U-Boot |
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