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| 00:40.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | computer catching fire because of papers placed on top of it? :-O what a shitty computer is that? Or was this just the easy explanation some fire brigade officer came up with? |
| 00:59.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | the only way I can think of how a usual PC can start a fire: the PSU fan collecting lots of dust and thus clogging, the PSU overheating, some PSU component bursting and releasing some sparks which ignite the dust on fan blades and the rotation of fan boost that tiny glow into a true flame and blows that out of the fan opening in PC case thus igniting other material behind the PC |
| 01:01.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((What is happening with N900s)) Nothing. I'm busy with other stuff |
| 01:02.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not like we all waited for finally some N900 showing up so we got something to do |
| 01:03.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | twice a day I'm swapping battery charging in a N900 that I already have in usage. So I'm not at batt #16 charging |
| 01:04.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/not/now/ |
| 01:05.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | once I'm done with #16, I'll unpack the next batch/bundle of batts |
| 01:05.54 | jonwil | so how many of these donated batteries are dead/unusable so far? |
| 01:06.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | still wondering if I discard the swollen batts or keep them in a safe place somewhere |
| 01:06.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | all were at 0.00V |
| 01:06.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | all started charging |
| 01:06.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | none been checked for capacity after charging, no time for such time consuming experiments |
| 01:07.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | 14 of 16 are swollen |
| 01:07.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | in varying degrees |
| 01:08.25 | jonwil | ok |
| 01:09.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | 7 of 16 are "dark" ones, with darker gray of body color and silver printing instead white printing |
| 01:10.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I *should* instantly dispose off all swollen batts |
| 01:11.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | then otoh it would be a pity to discard such a great chance to do tests on a huge number of supposedly identically built and treated batteries |
| 01:38.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://neo900.org/stuff/joerg/random-media/charging_number_16_3.JPG #3 6 9 11 12 13 16 are "dark" |
| 01:56.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://neo900.org/stuff/joerg/random-media/DSCF0456.JPG all 55 (did you count them?? |
| 02:09.50 | Oksana | The PC caught fire because of papers on top of it? It was said by the user who put the papers on top of the computer. That's an 'ordinary' heavy desktop computer. Wooden table. Maybe, a piece of paper got inside the fan? Who knows... There was a very noisy computer in this room previously, and everybody just closed their ears instead of checking the fan. |
| 02:11.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20141013_001.jpg "gray" (left) vs "white" BL-5J, backside |
| 02:11.29 | Oksana | Not sure there was a fire brigade; there were very good sprinklers in the ceiling. Water in a room full of computers... Insane but works. Most computers are not damaged. |
| 02:17.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((gray)) I'll call the "white" type "CE" batt |
| 02:17.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | while for the "gray" ones I have no better word than "gray" |
| 02:18.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I *think* both are genuine Nokia |
| 02:23.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | a pity that Neo Freerunner's GTA02 smart battery (formfactor BL-5C, see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers) is significantly thicker than BL-5J and thus the smartbatt circuit won't fit into a modified BL-5J. Nevertheless we have HDQ on BSI pin of Neo900 battery connector, so you _could_ read out the battery BQ27000 if it has one |
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| 02:41.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | HAHA! another orphaned Nokia server: http://batteryreplacement.nokia.com/batteryreplacement/en/advisory-2007.html |
| 02:42.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly muses how many orphaned defunct servers rot idle but powered up in this globe's server racks in data centers |
| 02:44.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | how many of them already completely taken over by crackers and abused as part of a botnet |
| 03:02.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, nmap made my wrt54 reboot |
| 03:02.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 03:03.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf?! |
| 03:05.55 | Oksana | ? |
| 03:09.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | my wrt54g router rebooted while I checked the stale nokia box with nmap |
| 03:09.36 | Oksana | Repeatable? |
| 03:09.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | just about to start a test for repeatability |
| 03:10.04 | Oksana | Does wrt54 have logs? About reboot reason? |
| 03:14.40 | Oksana | ? |
| 03:14.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm logging to syslog on my PC |
| 03:14.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | no reboot reason |
| 03:16.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | Time: 05:16:44 up 25 min, load average: 0.13, 0.24, 0.30 |
| 03:17.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm |
| 03:17.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ping |
| 03:17.21 | infobot | ~pong |
| 03:18.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2014/10/13/plasma-desktopNL1874.png |
| 03:20.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | nmap seems stalled |
| 03:20.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | saturn:~ # nmap -P0 -p0-65535 batteryreplacement.nokia.com |
| 03:20.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | Starting Nmap 6.40 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2014-10-13 05:10 CEST |
| 03:21.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually not :-S |
| 03:21.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | Stats: 0:10:12 elapsed; 0 hosts completed (1 up), 1 undergoing SYN Stealth Scan |
| 03:21.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | SYN Stealth Scan Timing: About 4.66% done; ETC: 08:49 (3:28:57 remaining) |
| 03:21.56 | Oksana | 3.5 hours to go? |
| 03:22.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | but actually I missed a parameter I had last time: nmap -P0 -T5 -p0-65535 |
| 03:22.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | waves and prepares for impact |
| 03:24.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2014/10/13/plasma-desktopaM1874.png |
| 03:26.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ping |
| 03:26.37 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 03:28.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | this time it even cut the IRC connection |
| 03:28.28 | Oksana | Is there a way to restrict nmap's number of active IP connections? So that it would not maintain too many open connections at the same time? |
| 03:28.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2014/10/13/plasma-desktopaM1874.png dunno if that made it to channel |
| 03:29.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2014/10/13/plasma-desktopkK1874.png the last status update the wrt54 sent before going south: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/10/13/plasma-desktopkK1874.png |
| 03:31.36 | Oksana | Memory... |
| 03:34.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess I eventually have to kick out that fossil |
| 03:36.08 | grodt | DocScrutinizer05, if a person was to attempt to make a portable phone, not in the size thats small like neo 900 and wanted the feature of the modem being indepenadant (i know you had a better term I forgot) could it be made much cheaper? |
| 03:36.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 03:37.12 | Oksana | grodt: TuxPhone ? |
| 03:37.50 | grodt | DocScrutinizer05, can you remind me please what the term is or in a short sentence the description that would not allow for a phone to be remotely turned on besides the phone pretending to be off |
| 03:38.00 | grodt | Oksana, hmm im not familiar with it but I shall check it out, thanks |
| 03:38.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | nmap -P0 -T3 --> SYN Stealth Scan Timing: About 1.14% done; ETC: 09:15 (3:37:24 remaining) |
| 03:38.50 | grodt | Oksana, does tuxphone have the hardware setup, at least the modem part like neo 900 to allow this feature? |
| 03:39.17 | Oksana | The goal of the project is to develop a phone that anyone with basic soldering equipment can construct, with support from the free and open source software community for downloads, such as ring tones, backgrounds, and music. |
| 03:39.48 | grodt | ill take that as a no |
| 03:40.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | but me got decent boxen at remote places :-D --> SYN Stealth Scan Timing: About 1.09% done; ETC: 06:35 (0:55:54 remaining) |
| 03:40.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | grodt: sorry, that's not easily explained |
| 03:41.01 | grodt | DocScrutinizer05, no worries, thanks |
| 03:42.07 | Oksana | The status is: Neo900 has modem separate from main board, and the main board monitors the modem, and can easily cut off either the power and/or the transmitting antenna of the modem. |
| 03:43.58 | grodt | thanks Oksana |
| 03:45.29 | Oksana | DD-WRT is nice... |
| 03:49.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | but so old I wouldn't dare to expose it directly to the internet |
| 03:50.19 | Oksana | And what about OpenWrt? |
| 03:51.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | last time I checked, years ago, there was no decent version for the wrt54g I have |
| 03:54.24 | Oksana | WRT54G/GL/GS ? |
| 03:54.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 03:54.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | Stats: 0:11:18 elapsed; 0 hosts completed (1 up), 1 undergoing SYN Stealth Scan |
| 03:54.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | SYN Stealth Scan Timing: About 20.56% done; ETC: 06:33 (0:43:39 remaining) |
| 03:54.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | Skipping host batteryreplacement.nokia.com (147.243.3.93) due to host timeout |
| 03:54.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nmap done: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 900.24 seconds |
| 03:56.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | waves and heads out |
| 03:56.08 | Oksana | This problem? all hardware devices with 16 MB or less RAM are no longer supported as they can run out of memory easily. |
| 03:57.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | gonna get me a *decent* router, and switch to IPv6 |
| 03:57.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn NAT |
| 04:01.24 | Oksana | :) |
| 04:10.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | #1 - #16 done |
| 04:11.17 | Oksana | 16 batteries charged... |
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| 04:11.52 | Oksana | Musing on SheevaPlug with Plan 9 as always-on home server. |
| 04:21.55 | grodt | if pi Phone has a sim900 GSM module that separate from the board, does that have chance of not being able to be remotely turned on? |
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| 04:32.47 | Oksana | What is pi phone? If GSM module is separate from the board, then the board can cut off all power to modem, and the module will not be switched on. Unless it can feed itself passively from antenna. But Neo900 can cut off the modem from the antenna, too. |
| 04:33.53 | Oksana | Your vacuum cleaner cannot be switched on remotely when it has no electricity :) Unless it can feed itself by using its long wire as antenna. But it is highly unlikely. |
| 04:35.18 | Oksana | grodt: Do you mean DragonBox Pyra? |
| 04:36.06 | Oksana | Or its predecessor, Raspberry Pi ? |
| 04:38.24 | grodt | Oksana, this http://www.davidhunt.ie/piphone-a-raspberry-pi-based-smartphone/ |
| 04:42.44 | Oksana | DragonBox Pyra is a phone based on OpenPandora (I just got confused a little) and would probably cost a lot more. http://www.dragonbox-pyra.com/specs.html |
| 04:45.04 | Oksana | Just disconnect UART which connects modem to main board, and this PiPhone will be safe from any remotely-controlling spies. |
| 04:45.30 | grodt | Oksana, wow, thanks man |
| 04:46.36 | Oksana | I know less about PiPhone than you do :) |
| 04:48.02 | grodt | Oksana, UART meaning a circuit? |
| 04:48.49 | Oksana | UART means an electrical connection. Like, a wire. What makes this different from the Timelapse controller is the addition of a a SIM900 GSM module, which is connected via UART to the Raspberry Pi. |
| 04:49.41 | grodt | oh so basically in order to keep the spies out I cant use the GSM module? |
| 04:49.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((But Neo900 can cut off the modem from the antenna, too.)) no it cannot |
| 04:50.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | dargonbox is NO phone |
| 04:52.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | not at all |
| 04:52.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's as much a phone as your PC was a phone when you plug in a USB-3G-dongle |
| 04:53.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | only difference: Pyra is a tad smaller than your average PC |
| 04:54.04 | Oksana | Alright, it is a brick-phone. A heavy brick. |
| 04:54.09 | grodt | disconnecting the UART, is that something a novice can do? |
| 04:54.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, it is no sort of phone whatsoever |
| 04:54.33 | grodt | and would that pretty much disable it from using it as a phone? |
| 04:54.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's even unclear if it has any audio connected to the modem |
| 04:54.40 | grodt | since the connection would be severed? |
| 04:54.41 | Oksana | grodt is speaking about PiPhone : http://www.davidhunt.ie/piphone-a-raspberry-pi-based-smartphone/ |
| 04:56.09 | Oksana | Cutting off the power (electricity) from the modem would pretty much disable it, yes. |
| 04:56.50 | grodt | lol |
| 04:57.13 | grodt | im so confused, the sim900 seems to be a module sep from raspi board |
| 04:57.42 | Oksana | Yes, SIM 900 is phone-chip, and rasp-board is computer. |
| 04:57.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | "to keep the spies out" you got two options: trust in somebody who claims to build some hw (and sw) that does this for you, or *learn* about what are the principles the threat is based on. Otherwise you won't keep spies out, since they are smarter than you |
| 04:58.09 | grodt | true |
| 04:58.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's no cook book recipe |
| 04:59.33 | Oksana | :) |
| 05:01.03 | Oksana | What does/did modem TX monitor do? |
| 05:10.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://neo900.org/stuff/joerg/random-media/55/ |
| 05:16.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | TX monitor makes sure we notice when modem starts sending |
| 05:16.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | it also tells us about amplitude aka power it uses for sending |
| 05:18.39 | Oksana | :) |
| 05:27.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think http://neo900.org/stuff/joerg/random-media/55/batt-batch_17-32_6.jpg is quite puzzling. Are those _really_ all genuine Nokia batts? |
| 05:27.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | placement of hologram on gray ones is often rather sloppy |
| 05:29.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | also the holograms themselves are subtly different between CE and gray ones. When gray shines greenish, the CE holos still look red-orange |
| 05:30.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://neo900.org/stuff/joerg/random-media/55/batt-batch_17-32_7.jpg gives a slight idea of that |
| 05:40.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | hope you like the new pictures and the renaming and now dir structure |
| 05:40.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | new* |
| 05:49.43 | jonwil | those batteries came from Mozilla project who presumably acquired N900s and bats from trusted source |
| 05:50.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, that's what you'd think |
| 05:50.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems there are both variants of batt very widespread |
| 05:52.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | on a sidenote: I checked one of the 17-32 batch thoroughly: it has 0.000Volt, and a resistance of roundabout 80kR from + to GND |
| 05:52.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | clearly the protective circuit kicked in and cut out |
| 05:53.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | they all need 5..20s of emergency charging until NOLO comes up |
| 05:55.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | funny enough the N900 I used for charging most of batch1 takes some 10..30s until it detects that a battery is inserted, and even more funny eventually and occasionally it enters emegency charging even with no battery inserted ;-P |
| 05:56.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | after several minutes of sitting there with no batt inserted |
| 05:57.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | very interesting "dirty effect" |
| 05:58.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | most annoying: I'm running short of wallchargers now |
| 05:59.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | jolla and N9 already got disconnected and powered down |
| 06:01.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | found another one and testing now if I can reproduce that effect on another N900 |
| 06:03.25 | grodt | DocScrutinizer05, how much sleep do you get man! |
| 06:03.32 | grodt | you are like a robot |
| 06:03.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks! ;-) |
| 06:04.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | sleep is overrated |
| 06:04.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | nevertheless I had insane lots of it lately |
| 06:06.38 | grodt | DocScrutinizer05, when you smoke weed and then rub one out, you get a lot of sleep |
| 06:07.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | stopped smoking weed a 90 years ago ;-) |
| 06:09.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | but you're giving me ideas... Got a two bottles of beer in fridge, since 4 weeks. time to open one of them |
| 06:09.15 | grodt | what about rubbing ones out |
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| 06:17.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, wasn't able to reproduce the emergency charging without batt in a second device. So I assigned it to charging bank, now charging #17, #18 and #19 |
| 06:19.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | puzzling: this device (javispedro's donation) refused to start emergency charging on inserting battery, even after 3 minutes. So I unplugged USB charger for 1s and on re-plugging it immediately started up with steady yellow |
| 06:20.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | the other two devices never took longer than max 20s after batt insertion to start emerg chrg |
| 06:24.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | another observation: obviously NOLO doesn't enable the amber flashing when on boot time the bq24150 wasn't in emerg chrg mode. The indicator starts flashing only after linux started bme |
| 06:25.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | when device boots up from emerg chrg mode, it shows a differing behavior: immediately after NOLO displays the NOKIA screen, it seems like NOLO also starts charging and enables standard LP5523 based flashing chrg indicator |
| 06:28.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know the NOLO charging been a known effect since ages, I myself explained to have observed that, back when checking all that charging mystery. Nevertheless the different UX is remarkable and not been noticed by me so far |
| 06:29.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | also you'd wonder why NOLO does _not_ start charging when batt voltage >3.6V | bq24150 not in emerg chrg mode (whatever it is that gets checked by NOLO) |
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| 07:12.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://neo900.org/stuff/joerg/random-media/usb-microscope_2mm_2014-10-13-090247.jpg is best I can do with the USB microscope I got. The 3 black lines are from a transparent ruler, 2x1mm. Color calibration is abysmal |
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| 07:14.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | can't help it, it seems to me this thing either got a completely crappy optics, or the resolution is fake and just interpolated aka upsampled |
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| 08:58.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: ping |
| 08:58.55 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: pong, but I'm going away in two minutes |
| 08:58.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: a parcel takes 3-4 days |
| 09:00.12 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: will it be in SK til Friday? |
| 09:00.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't know |
| 09:00.44 | Pali | did you send it? |
| 09:00.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | not yet |
| 09:01.25 | Pali | because if it cannot be delivered before 20.10 do not send it |
| 09:01.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | first wanted to ping you, since ... see above |
| 09:02.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, 20.10? |
| 09:02.13 | Pali | 2014-10-20 |
| 09:02.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that's a monday |
| 09:03.00 | Pali | *before* |
| 09:03.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I doubt SK post will deliver parcels on saturday or sunday |
| 09:03.11 | Pali | yes |
| 09:03.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | so 20.10 means nothing |
| 09:03.35 | Pali | I contact pavelm and will decide |
| 09:03.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's Friday 17.10. |
| 09:03.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | today is 13.10. |
| 09:04.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | 13+4=17 |
| 09:04.18 | Pali | now I'm going away, will be back in evening |
| 09:04.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | a parcel takes 3-4 days |
| 09:04.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | then we need to think about another way to send |
| 09:13.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I cannot guarantee that a parcel I sent right now will arrive at Friday. I however can almost guarantee that a parcel I send tomorrow will _not_ arrive til Friday |
| 09:17.05 | jonwil | freemangordon: ping |
| 09:17.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll ask about express shipping. Expensive like hell, and obscure like old greek legends at least with DHL and trying to find out details in internet. Seems it might only be possible with pickup service which is only possible when I'm already registered as commercial sender |
| 09:18.10 | jonwil | international shipping can be a pain in the ass |
| 09:19.23 | jonwil | I suspect any "ship from .dk to .sk" post option that is guaranteed to get there by Friday will cost a FORTUNE |
| 09:19.40 | jonwil | at least going by my experiences with international shipping |
| 09:20.19 | jonwil | freemangordon: I cloned the relavent parts from the x86 version of xprot, I dont know if its correct or if it even compiles but I have done what I can on xprot for now |
| 09:23.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: OK, I checked with DHL hotline (the guy 100% acknowledged that their website is useless, he doesn't grok it either). Result: express shipping is possible, fee ~60EUR, delivery next day |
| 09:26.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: so please give OK for me sending the devices for you and pavelm tomorrow by express |
| 09:28.38 | freemangordon_ | jonwil: pong |
| 09:33.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, you got epeen |
| 09:34.46 | freemangordon_ | jonwil: oh, great |
| 09:35.03 | freemangordon_ | Now I only need to RE the code from ARM bins |
| 09:35.20 | freemangordon_ | (a_xprot_func() etc) |
| 09:35.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon_: query? |
| 09:37.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon_: ping |
| 09:39.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~botsnack |
| 09:39.38 | infobot | thanks, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 09:39.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | good, at least I'm not offline |
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| 10:08.49 | jonwil | great freemangordon |
| 10:42.54 | freemangordon_ | DocScrutinizer05: hmm? |
| 10:43.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | are you available for a /query? |
| 10:44.55 | freemangordon | yes |
| 10:45.21 | freemangordon | I am going to try to make empathy open a new window on /query |
| 10:45.45 | freemangordon | as I am missing most of the queries otherwise |
| 10:45.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously |
| 10:46.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm querying you since weeks |
| 10:46.53 | freemangordon | sorry :( |
| 10:47.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems queries don't work for you. So I gonna ask you here: do you need a devel device? I'm sending out parcels tomorrow |
| 10:56.19 | freemangordon | kung_fu_mike: yes, "we" need SW developers for the purpose of bringing Fremantle on Neo900. see FPTF thread on TMO for a general info |
| 10:56.24 | freemangordon | ~fprf |
| 10:56.37 | freemangordon | ~lady ? |
| 10:56.42 | freemangordon | ~ping |
| 10:56.42 | infobot | ~pong |
| 10:56.55 | freemangordon | ~fptf |
| 10:56.55 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 |
| 10:57.05 | freemangordon | kung_fu_mike: ^^^ |
| 10:59.46 | freemangordon_ | dammit, seems empathy does not support it :( |
| 11:00.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe check ignore settings |
| 11:00.45 | freemangordon_ | no such settings |
| 11:00.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's some method to ignore/reject /query |
| 11:01.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | completely forgot which |
| 11:02.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, konversation allows to define a regex matchng sender, and what are the actions getting ignored by such senser. One is "QUERY" |
| 11:02.17 | freemangordon_ | queries are not ignored, but I need to explicitly select them form the "letter" indicator on the t=askbar |
| 11:02.27 | freemangordon_ | *from |
| 11:02.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh |
| 11:02.57 | freemangordon_ | maybe I should install another irc client, any reccomendations? |
| 11:03.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | how to build a crappy unusable useless IRC client. Chaper2 |
| 11:03.54 | freemangordon_ | pidgin? |
| 11:04.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I'm happy with xchat and Konversation |
| 11:04.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | hated pidgin back in 2009 when I had to use it on GTA02 |
| 11:04.35 | Svetlana | I use emacs erc. |
| 11:04.53 | Svetlana | Would not be very mobile friendly though unless some effort is put in. |
| 11:05.00 | freemangordon_ | gonna give pidgin a try |
| 11:05.39 | jonwil | I use chatzilla and it works great for me :) |
| 11:06.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | isn't that a webchat thing? |
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| 11:07.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, >>ChatZilla :: Add-ons for Firefox - Mozilla Add-ons<< |
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| 11:08.34 | freemangordon_ | DocScrutinizer05: coud you /query me? |
| 11:08.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | so prolly not much different to http://webchat.freenode.net/ |
| 11:08.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 11:09.56 | Svetlana | chatzilla is a little better than webchat -- it writes logs to files which was the feature i used most. but when it comes to mobile world, nirc and firefoxos irc both rule over chatzilla and webchat :) |
| 11:10.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | when it comes to mobile, there's maemo xchat |
| 11:10.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 11:10.50 | Svetlana | :D |
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| 11:11.05 | Svetlana | (the web is a bit evil indeed) |
| 11:12.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems freemangordon_ is happy with purple aka pidgin |
| 11:12.49 | jonwil | chatzilla is not webchat, its a full IRC client at least |
| 11:12.56 | freemangordon_ | so far |
| 11:13.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: needs firefox, no? |
| 11:13.23 | jonwil | yeah Firefox or SeaMonkey |
| 11:13.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | both not available on my mobile device |
| 11:13.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | not really |
| 11:14.19 | jonwil | yeah on mobile Chatzilla isn't an option |
| 11:14.23 | jonwil | but for a desktop it works good |
| 11:14.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | and for PC, except for missing scripting capabilities, there's nothing that beats konversation |
| 11:15.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually konversation has _sort_of_ scripting, by calling commands |
| 11:16.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I don't need scripts that are triggered by /cmd myscript |
| 11:16.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | I would need scripts that are event triggered |
| 11:17.38 | jonwil | konversation might be good if you run KDE but on Windows its no good |
| 11:17.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | and could do stuff like opening new tabs, redirecting channel msgs to arbitrary new destination (other tab for example), or rewriting the content before putting it into channel tab, etc |
| 11:18.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe, who's using windoze? ;-) |
| 11:18.17 | freemangordon_ | jonwil does :P |
| 11:18.31 | freemangordon_ | DocScrutinizer05: also, I am on ubuntu :) |
| 11:18.45 | freemangordon_ | not much of a difference :D |
| 11:18.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonders what's "worse" |
| 11:19.06 | jonwil | I use Windows because I need Windows for my gaming :P |
| 11:19.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | legit |
| 11:19.19 | jonwil | and for development with Visual Studio |
| 11:19.32 | jonwil | mostly connected to said gaming :) |
| 11:19.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | also kinda legit |
| 11:19.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh yeah, double plus legit |
| 11:20.00 | jonwil | I do however have a long list of pieces of totally crappy Windows software I will NEVER allow on a machine I own |
| 11:20.14 | jonwil | including anything by Norton |
| 11:20.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 11:20.20 | jonwil | and anything by Mcafee |
| 11:20.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | NC wasn't bad, while it lasts |
| 11:21.01 | jonwil | I used Norton Internet Security once and it certainly was good at protecting me from threats, it actually broke my internet completly |
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| 11:21.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | some.. err... 15 years ago I swore I never again will touch a windows PC when it's lacking NC |
| 11:21.43 | jonwil | I also refuse to allow Microsoft Office on any PC I own |
| 11:21.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | that promise got moot when I refused to touch windows at all |
| 11:22.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | now when I _have_ to touch windows machines for e.g. my job, first thing I try to get installed is cygwin |
| 11:23.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | or even a VM with a decent linux in it |
| 11:23.43 | jonwil | actually, that last thing about Office, I do have the Excel Viewer program installed in order to view the occasional .xls file that I find out there and cant view any other way :P |
| 11:24.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh, OO failing to do that for you? |
| 11:24.29 | jonwil | I also refuse to install OO either |
| 11:24.42 | jonwil | Because OO on windows is crap |
| 11:24.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno, possible |
| 11:24.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | windows, no idea |
| 11:25.01 | jonwil | actually, its not OO on windows, its GTK apps on Windows |
| 11:25.13 | jonwil | OO, Gimp, others, they ALL suck |
| 11:25.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | can vividly imagine that ;-D |
| 11:25.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | even qt apps kinda suck on windows, I bet |
| 11:26.01 | jonwil | actually QT apps aren't bad |
| 11:26.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | Svetlana: how's IRC business these days? |
| 11:26.41 | jonwil | Also on my blacklist of software I refuse to use is almost anything from Adobe |
| 11:27.10 | jonwil | I use Flash because no viable alternative exists yet (and I run adblock to shut off any ads, flash ads included) |
| 11:27.33 | jonwil | and I use Acrobat Reader again because alternatives to Acrobat Reader on Windows are junk |
| 11:27.46 | jonwil | OSX and Linux have good alternative PDF readers |
| 11:27.49 | jonwil | Windows not so much |
| 11:27.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | flash, kill it with fire! after using a time machine to travel a few years back |
| 11:28.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | evice also sucks more than it used to |
| 11:28.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | evince that is (pdf viewer) |
| 11:28.59 | jonwil | one reason I need Flash related stuff around is because one of the games I do modding on actually uses Flash (or rather a custom format derived from Flash) for some of its UI |
| 11:29.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | completely stripped of all usual clasic menus |
| 11:29.55 | jonwil | I probably do have a lot of crap on this Windows box I dont use and don't need intalled |
| 11:29.57 | jonwil | installed |
| 11:30.08 | jonwil | Lets uninstall some of the crap :P |
| 11:30.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | last time I checked flash comes with its own embedded complete OS ;-) |
| 11:30.57 | jonwil | I just wish someone would show up with a nice big cheque and throw it at the developers of whichever Flash alternative is most feature-complete so we can finally kill the Adobe plugin for good. |
| 11:31.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | some nice guy had a talk about that on some balckhat conf iirc |
| 11:32.21 | enyc | jonwil: Evince for windows exists? does that akr well for you? |
| 11:32.36 | jonwil | Never tried it |
| 11:32.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | waves |
| 11:33.03 | jonwil | woha I really do have a lot of crap on this system |
| 11:33.15 | jonwil | both Perl AND Python stuff |
| 11:33.49 | jonwil | pretty much every Microsoft development piece from the last 5 years |
| 11:34.21 | jonwil | about a dozen or so things that got installed by the NVIDIA driver installer |
| 11:34.37 | Svetlana | going ok, DocScrutinizer05, i am doing some rss feed programming for "on-irc" output |
| 11:34.51 | jonwil | clients for Git, HG AND SVN |
| 11:34.53 | Svetlana | a lot of thinking how to do it right |
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| 11:50.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | charging #22 #23 #24 |
| 11:53.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | bbl |
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| 12:05.03 | Svetlana | ooh charging |
| 12:05.30 | Svetlana | that reminds me of a rather old laptop, i should check its battery soon, it was powered off for a few years now I think |
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| 12:45.44 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: I think better would be to send it to CZ when I or pavelm will be there... just pospone it for one or two weeks... I think paying another 60⬠is not normal |
| 12:46.10 | Pali | devices do not have to be there immediately |
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| 12:58.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: OK |
| 12:59.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: then please send new snailmail address with new time window for arrival |
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| 13:00.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | itdeally more than one week before you expect the parcel to arrive at your place |
| 13:01.05 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: ok, now I'm waiting for responce from pavelm |
| 13:03.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | He's in Duesseldorf aiui |
| 13:04.09 | Pali | yes, I know |
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| 13:27.07 | Pali | have you heard about usbcore.authorized_default linux cmdline param? |
| 13:27.30 | Pali | /sys/module/usbcore/parameters/authorized_default |
| 13:27.52 | Pali | and /sys/bus/usb/device/.../authorized |
| 13:27.58 | Pali | (for each usb device) |
| 13:28.10 | Pali | https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-bus-usb |
| 13:28.19 | Pali | since kernel version 2.6.26! |
| 13:28.27 | Pali | more info: http://lwn.net/Articles/241980/ |
| 13:29.43 | Pali | booting with usbcore.authorized_default=0 cause that all connected usb devices will be ignored for kernel drivers until /sys/bus/usb/device/.../authorized (for specific device) will be set |
| 13:30.01 | Pali | this fixing all problems with badusb |
| 13:30.52 | Pali | from udev you can get event that usb device was connected, then you can inspect and and after then decide if you want to use this device or not |
| 13:31.22 | Pali | there can be some GUI helper which will ask: do you really want to use that connected device XYZ at usb bus 123? |
| 13:32.01 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: is usb modem in neo900 connected to separate usb bus? |
| 13:33.00 | Pali | if yes, we can add rule that *only* modem will be allowed on that bus and if some other device (keyboard, mouse) apper on same bus as modem kernel just ignore it |
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| 13:50.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: exactly |
| 13:53.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://neo900.org/stuff/joerg/random-media/microscope/usb-microscope_17.jpg kbd backlight leds, this time less crappy, at least your eyes won't bleed from this one |
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| 14:00.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | and oops, the http://neo900.org/stuff/joerg/random-media/microscope/usb-microscope_2mm_2014-10-13-090247.jpg should prolly say *_1mm_(2*0.5) |
| 14:06.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | with a tad of parameter tweaking: http://neo900.org/stuff/joerg/random-media/microscope/usb-microscope_7.jpg |
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| 19:16.02 | freemangordon | ok, 1 NEON optimized EAP filter function down, 3 more to go :) |
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| 19:48.53 | Agge | DocScrutinizer05: what happened to the extra deal if you donated +100⬠do it still stand or was it removed? |
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| 21:38.05 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: I still do not know if I will be in CZ next week and pavelm do not know too... so postpone package for week or more |
| 21:39.00 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: and on http://www.dhl.de/content/dam/dhlde/downloads/pdf/dhl-einfuhr-und-zollvorschriften-032014.pdf there is no written restrictions for importing electronic devices into CZ (like for SK) |
| 21:44.54 | Pali | "Für die Einfuhr von Schusswaffen, Munition, Medikamenten und Explosivstoffen ist eine Lizenz und die Genehmigung der zuständigen Behörde erforderlich." |
| 21:45.28 | Pali | is not n900 battery explosive? :D |
| 21:53.30 | Agge | Pali: all mobile phone batteris have the potential to explode |
| 21:56.19 | Oksana | Nemo Mobile does have xulrunner, I heard, so it should be possible to run Chazilla on mobile. snailmail :) |
| 21:56.52 | Pali | maemo's microb has xulrunner too, or not? |
| 21:58.23 | Oksana | Agge: The extra deal still stands. If you donate +100â¬, you can ask for one pre-order. If you donate +200â¬, you can ask for one or two pre-orders. And so on... Of course, there is always option of zero pre-orders, but that's not that interesting, right? |
| 21:59.40 | Agge | Oksana: wasent it somthing like +3%/month also? |
| 22:00.13 | Oksana | Agge: Yes, you get +2%/month. |
| 22:00.31 | Oksana | On original donation. It grows linearly with time, not exponentially. |
| 22:00.57 | Agge | ok thanks. I aperently remembered incoreclt |
| 22:01.47 | Agge | meh exponentially wouldet be realy mather unless it was about 50+ itirations |
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| 22:02.17 | Oksana | So, if you donate 100⬠now, you have 102⬠one month later, 110⬠five months later... |
| 22:03.07 | Oksana | With exponential, it would have been 110.4⬠five months later. Yes, not much of a difference. |
| 22:05.16 | Oksana | It is in fine print here: http://neo900.org/donate |
| 22:06.54 | Agge | thanks |
| 22:11.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | a d you generally must donate 2*100 when you want to ask for 2 devices |
| 22:11.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | one donation is one donation |
| 22:12.00 | Agge | aha thanks for the headsupp |
| 22:12.27 | Agge | I am mainly intrested in the upgrade kit given that I have a old N900 |
| 22:12.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | and we soonish might need to increase the 100 threshold to 150, IOW development is more expensive than Nik originally estimated |
| 22:13.37 | Agge | what is the timeplan before it should be redy? |
| 22:13.52 | Oksana | It should be ready in Q2/2015. |
| 22:14.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | or we get more preorders, since R&D is becoming less expense per device when more devices to build |
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| 23:23.22 | Oksana | About more pre-orders : maybe, in a month's time I will increase my number of pre-orders :) Hamster... |
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| 23:48.52 | Oksana | Hopefully, others will also think about getting a second Neo900 pre-order... Just so that they would have a back-up, a developer device, or something :) |
