| 02:57.05 | Oksana | Quiet... |
| 02:59.12 | jonwil | is busy examining the list of closed things to figure out what to reverse engineer next |
| 03:01.32 | jonwil | might play with osso-systemui-emergency, that looks interesting |
| 03:02.02 | jonwil | or maybe hildon-plugins-notify-sv |
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| 03:22.21 | jonwil | my god vmware is taking forever to install |
| 03:25.07 | jonwil | finally, its done :) |
| 04:05.59 | Oksana | How are you? hildon-plugins-notify-sv sounds interesting. I did not know that yellow banners could be accompanied by sound and vibrations :) |
| 04:08.59 | jonwil | hildon-plugins-notify-sv is for ringtones and alarm tones and things I think |
| 04:09.30 | jonwil | ok, I got the Maemo SDK image running in vmware and soon I will be getting scratchbox going and then have a (somewhat) usable Maemo dev environment again |
| 04:10.14 | jonwil | I used to have an old Pentium 4 running Gentoo as a dev box but that was too old to be worth bringing when I moved across the country |
| 04:10.31 | jonwil | too old and too worn out |
| 04:10.50 | jonwil | hence the need to go virtual :) |
| 04:34.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonders if - given ther general mood of some of those fools like "when he's saying something, I oppose it, no matter what" - if I maybe should argue in favor of abolishing council and telling whole maemo community to p*ss off, so a few selected active members of *my* MCeV was all I need to cope with. ;-P |
| 04:36.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | would probably instantly result in woody, win7mac, chemist, estel et al crying out loud and claiming that we need to keep council because when I think it should vanish that must be the wrong thing. |
| 04:36.40 | jonwil | The good thing about scratchbox is that I can take the scratchbox install from the SDK VM (the contents of /opt/scratchbox or whatever) and the scratchbox stuff sitting on the dump of my old Gentoo box and compare the 2 to see which files are different and use that as a guide to which files I need to copy across or install or whatever to get it back to how it was |
| 04:39.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | isn't VM comprehensive re SB? |
| 04:39.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe less rootstrap |
| 04:40.13 | jonwil | There are definatly things not installed that I had installed before |
| 04:40.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's possoble |
| 04:40.28 | jonwil | i.e. packages that didn't exist at the time of the Maemo SDK VM image being made such as systemui-dev |
| 04:41.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | somebody should publish an updated VM image |
| 04:41.15 | jonwil | yeah one running on a modern version of Ubuntu maybe |
| 04:41.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | isn't hre OS version inside VM rather "irrelevant" (from a devel's POV)? |
| 04:42.19 | jonwil | yeah probably but if you are going to make a new VM you may as well use a new OS :) |
| 04:42.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, agreed :-) |
| 04:44.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | osso-systemui-emergency is the 911 screen |
| 04:45.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno how much more than that is inside. Never played too much with it, for obvious reasons ;-P |
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| 04:46.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually a funny thought for going to have a chillout: how to test osso-systemui-emergency |
| 04:46.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | already ponders to get a nano-bts |
| 04:47.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | or a CMU200 |
| 04:47.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | AAAAH! Mickey had a modem-emulator software |
| 04:48.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | (AT API level) |
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| 04:48.41 | jonwil | yeah when I briefly worked for Motorola years ago we had a doohicky that could emulate a cell site that was connected to the prototype phone via a cable of some sort |
| 04:48.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly simply answering "OK^M" all the time ;-) |
| 04:49.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 04:49.15 | ds2 | NO CARRIER |
| 04:50.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | ds2: actually a nice idea. Limit (battery) power so modem collapses as soon as it activates TX |
| 04:50.34 | ds2 | sounds like some stuff I designed a while ago ;) |
| 04:51.00 | ds2 | if I had not already - good luck with the power supply design :D |
| 04:51.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? |
| 04:52.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | on Neo900 we could accomplish immediate shutdown of modem the very millisecond TX goes "on air" |
| 04:54.12 | Oksana | Operators of emergency services telephone numbers, such as 911 and 999, report receiving many false alarms that are likely a result of pocket dialing. So, actually calling an emergency number while REing the software should not be a huge problem. Though, a dedicated 'test' number (like 007 :) ) would be useful. |
| 04:54.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, just such test number doesn't get recognized as emergency call in osso-systemui-emergency |
| 04:55.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc network actually can signal which are the list of allowed emergency numbers. Prolly then gets stored to SIM |
| 04:56.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder how that's supposed to work on roaming / without SIM |
| 04:56.51 | Oksana | Why? Is it hardcoded? Is it possible to binary-replace 911 with 007 or something? Without SIM the phone itself (or the modem firmware?) remember a wide list of common emergency numbers. |
| 04:56.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | Dear customer. |
| 04:56.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | A parcel was sent to your home address. |
| 04:57.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | And it will arrive within 3 business day. |
| 04:57.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | More information and the tracking number are attached in the document. |
| 04:57.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | (fedex) |
| 04:58.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | DAFAQ! attached "FedEx Shipping Delivery Slip pdf.zip" |
| 04:59.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly SPAM |
| 04:59.21 | jonwil | probably either malware |
| 04:59.30 | jonwil | or something designed to get you to hand over personal details |
| 04:59.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | malware |
| 04:59.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | From:"FedEx Delivery Customer Service (FedEx@fedex.com)" <trusplus@sify.com> |
| 04:59.52 | jonwil | yeah |
| 04:59.55 | Oksana | Phone 999, WAIT until answered & explain that you are making a test call & why (new system install & previous error) the emergency operator will probably also take your name but you will not face any problems for abusing the system. |
| 04:59.56 | Oksana | As a Telecom engineer I have carried out this process on a number of occasions, it is accepted as it is the only way to 100% prove the service. |
| 04:59.58 | Oksana | If you hangup before getting answered expect a vehicle with a pretty blue light on the roof to arrive shortly! |
| 05:00.29 | jonwil | yeah I have heard of that being done here in Australia with our 000 number too |
| 05:00.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | incredible how that mail arrives just in time. Somebody really trying to attack me with tailored stuff? |
| 05:01.06 | jonwil | i.e. call it, tell them why you are calling it and they will probably record the details and that will be it |
| 05:02.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess they are not amused here when you do that |
| 05:03.05 | Oksana | It would work once, but would they tolerate calls made every day by the same engineer? |
| 05:03.11 | jonwil | No they wouldn't |
| 05:03.32 | jonwil | hence why you do it once and only once when you have finished setting things up |
| 05:03.56 | jonwil | In any case I suspect osso-systemui-emergency (if we needed to RE it) is probably the sort of thing where you could RE it once, test it if necessary (one call) then be done |
| 05:04.04 | jonwil | Its not very big or complex-looking |
| 05:04.33 | jonwil | could probably even test it with numbers other than emergency when doing the initial RE then later test with real emerg numbers |
| 05:04.37 | jonwil | if you needed to |
| 05:04.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | here they even blocked 911 calls without SIM a year or 3 ago |
| 05:05.09 | Oksana | Not nice :( |
| 05:05.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 05:05.33 | ds2 | the call out for modem power is pretty insane |
| 05:05.39 | ds2 | multiamp peaks |
| 05:05.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly for "have a emergency call phone for poor remote locations" |
| 05:06.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | they used to collect old featurephones and refurbish them and place them on mountain huts etc |
| 05:06.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ds2: yep, up to 3 or 4 iirc |
| 05:07.24 | ds2 | doesn't that put the worse case peak at like 5-6A when everything is running? |
| 05:07.43 | Oksana | Hidden Battery Power : http://www.hoax-slayer.com/mobile-phone-tips.shtml |
| 05:07.45 | ds2 | and most Li batteries (non RC rated ones) recommend no more then 2C discharge max |
| 05:08.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno if I can find a photo of that "battery cable" we had at Openmoko lab. was made of 30 red and 30 black woven 1.5mm wires |
| 05:08.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 05:08.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | (maybe it's only ben 15 + 15. Rather fat a cable anyway) |
| 05:09.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | seem the critter and thought "W*T*F??!" |
| 05:09.44 | ds2 | fatter then a 00 sized cable? |
| 05:13.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | no idea about 00 |
| 05:14.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | figure the red and black wires that run to your PC's power plug (secondary) that plugs into PSU |
| 05:15.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | now take 10 red and 10 black ones and lace a braid |
| 05:15.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | nach at least 20 of each color |
| 05:15.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | you could jumpstart a car with that thing. Easily |
| 05:16.27 | ds2 | but for stuff like this, isn't lower inductance more important then resistance |
| 05:16.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | the idea being that the whole cable shouldn't significantly add to the source impedance of power source which is supposed to be in the milli-ohm range |
| 05:17.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | (inductance) that's why it been woven |
| 05:18.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno, my memory might be cloidy meanwhile, since that's already 6some years ago when I seen it |
| 05:19.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I been pretty impressed when I seen that thing growing out of a lab PSU |
| 05:20.56 | ds2 | ah right (regarding the woven part) |
| 05:25.37 | Oksana | So is there any hope for dome sheets pre-included? Or will users craft them by hand? |
| 05:53.56 | Oksana | Should I pre-order 5 dome sheets to Neo900 postal address? |
| 05:54.01 | Oksana | Or 25... |
| 05:58.18 | Oksana | Quiet... |
| 06:21.58 | Oksana | Quuuiiieeettt... |
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| 15:26.47 | freemangordon | jonwil: I think I found a solution for the missing armcc |
| 15:27.01 | jonwil | yes? |
| 15:27.03 | freemangordon | i can use gcc 4.7.2 to compile to .o files |
| 15:27.21 | freemangordon | and make that a part of the source package |
| 15:27.32 | jonwil | ok, if that works |
| 15:27.43 | freemangordon | why not? |
| 15:27.49 | jonwil | ok, if that works great |
| 15:27.51 | jonwil | go for it :) |
| 15:28.03 | freemangordon | well, it is too early :) |
| 15:28.12 | jonwil | what version of GCC does Fremantle stock use? |
| 15:28.21 | freemangordon | 4.2.1 |
| 15:28.50 | jonwil | and upgrading gcc across the board is a problem why? |
| 15:29.10 | freemangordon | lack of will :) |
| 15:29.19 | freemangordon | cssu-thumb ;) |
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| 15:46.47 | jonwil | freemangordon: do we need to care about libcmtspeechdata? |
| 15:46.54 | freemangordon | sure |
| 15:47.01 | freemangordon | I am packaging it ATM |
| 15:47.39 | jonwil | the libcmtspeechdata in meego repos is a fair bit newer that what was linked into the fremantle blobs |
| 15:47.53 | jonwil | and may well not be compatible with the rest of the system |
| 15:49.05 | freemangordon | check that one https://gitorious.org/meego-cellular/libcmtspeechdata/commit/95c4c5f2ba5bf5325ee1e4ae5fd99e0a3946fc72 :) |
| 15:49.34 | jonwil | yeah I saw that |
| 15:50.15 | freemangordon | that should be exactly what we have in fremantle |
| 15:50.26 | jonwil | nope its not |
| 15:50.45 | freemangordon | why do you think that? |
| 15:51.06 | jonwil | cmtspeech_version_str in Fremantle blob returns 1.6.2.1 |
| 15:51.37 | freemangordon | hmm |
| 15:51.47 | freemangordon | anyway, the modem interface is the same |
| 15:52.02 | jonwil | and the kernel interface? |
| 15:52.15 | freemangordon | too |
| 15:52.18 | jonwil | ok |
| 15:52.21 | freemangordon | even in the latest upstream |
| 15:53.10 | freemangordon | well, I'll check for differences between what we have and the binary blob |
| 15:53.33 | jonwil | it should be possible to match libcmtspeech to the blob |
| 15:53.39 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 15:54.05 | freemangordon | lets have the packaging in place first |
| 15:54.09 | jonwil | ok |
| 15:54.27 | freemangordon | btw, is there any similar debian packaging I can reuse? |
| 15:54.36 | jonwil | no idea |
| 15:54.39 | freemangordon | ok |
| 15:55.14 | jonwil | btw I will probably fiddle with hildon-plugins-notify-sv next maybe |
| 15:55.18 | jonwil | or maybe libplayback |
| 15:55.51 | freemangordon | ok |
| 15:55.57 | jonwil | hmmm yeah there were some interesting unresolved questions about libplayback, maybe a clone of it can answer those |
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| 21:52.38 | Oksana | Should I pre-order 5 dome sheets to Neo900 postal address? Or 25... |
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| 22:01.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | 250 :-) |
| 22:02.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | no kidding |
| 22:04.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | any amount highly welcome |
| 22:04.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | and of course Neo900 UG will refund you |
| 22:08.26 | Oksana | After they arrive. |
| 22:08.58 | Oksana | No point in refunding me if they arrive one year later :) |
| 22:10.06 | Oksana | I have already ordered 25 dome sheets from gerry-mobilfunk.de |
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| 22:17.26 | wpwrak | DocScrutinizer05: so you think we'll find enough of the original ones ? or do have to seriously consider making a replacement ? |
| 22:17.42 | wpwrak | #s/do have/do we have/ |
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