IRC log for #neo900 on 20131211

00:01.18DocScrutinizer05I wonder how those 130EUR donations happen, prolly they try to make it 100EUR after VAT
00:12.32chainsawbike130 eur ~ 200nzd - a convenient sum
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10:32.00ilonDocScrutinizer05: you where right about the price and out of stock
10:32.25DocScrutinizer05:nod:
10:32.36DocScrutinizer05they always do that
10:32.45ilonDocScrutinizer05: atleast have a conversation with them now over email, and they will get back to me as soon as the supplier can provide them with information of when they can expect a delivery, and how many devices
10:32.47DocScrutinizer05only when they hope to get new items
10:33.11DocScrutinizer05\o/
10:33.29ilonyeah, that way they keep the history on items sold
10:34.44ilonatleast they havent told me they can NOT deliver those kind of amounts of devices yet
10:34.56DocScrutinizer05that's good
10:35.10DocScrutinizer05well, they can make some $$$ on us
10:35.16ilonsure can
10:35.21ilonfor them its kind of an big order
10:35.22DocScrutinizer05I guess they will move their ass
10:35.52DocScrutinizer05:nod:
10:35.57iloni stated that i'm interested in 200 devices from one supplier alone now
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10:36.14ilonmight make them put some effort in getting it :P
10:36.20DocScrutinizer05yep
10:36.44DocScrutinizer05let's watch the prices explode ;-P
10:37.20DocScrutinizer05prolly in 1 week all N900 in asia are at 1000$ ;-P
10:37.28ilonhehehe
10:37.53ilonactually, thats what i thought happend at first when they raised the price as they got out of stock
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10:39.08ilonanyways, they said the next delivery will probably be delayed until next year due to holidays
10:39.36ilonalso, they claim to have contact with nokia after sale support to verify integrity of devices on regular basis
10:39.36DocScrutinizer05pnders to create a list of spare üarts and suppliers for getting the needed parts from after market
10:40.20DocScrutinizer05dang
10:40.26ilonWonder if i should start contacting other sellers aswell, problem is that this seller feels legit
10:40.31DocScrutinizer05ponders to create a list of spare parts and suppliers for getting the needed parts from after market
10:40.31ilonand most are not :P
10:40.50DocScrutinizer05yes
10:41.30DocScrutinizer05I'd rather check polish / czech markets
10:41.50DocScrutinizer05I heard 6 months ago the devices were still sold in  regular shops there
10:41.54ilonhmm
10:42.08ilonany information on price levels?
10:42.16DocScrutinizer05pretty dirt cheap
10:42.30DocScrutinizer05about same level as HK refurbs
10:42.35JoHnYhmm, I haven't seen N900 around in CZ for ages
10:43.33JoHnYbut on the other hand, I'm not looking for it either
10:44.01JoHnYhttp://www.mobilyporuba.cz/products/nokia-n900/ looks like they have it in stock here... at least they claim so
10:44.21JoHnYit's about 220-230 eur
10:45.17DocScrutinizer05err, ok. a *tad* pricey
10:46.16JoHnYother than that, I'm not able to find any other store selling it, at least online
10:47.57DocScrutinizer05then, otoh: main cam:50€, LCD:39€, digitizer:20€, mech-slide:30€, frames:25€, FPC:10€, case:18€, antennae:35€...
10:48.52DocScrutinizer05stylus:5€, battery:10€
10:50.01DocScrutinizer05mounting the kit: 40€
10:50.58DocScrutinizer05(incl tests, loss, reworks, warranty)
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10:51.55DocScrutinizer05chances to pull at least _one_ lemon in that set: next to 100%
10:52.37DocScrutinizer05and a few silly parts like back cover of display are again unobtainium
10:53.00DocScrutinizer05ok, a silly metal sheet cut to shape
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12:50.27DocScrutinizer05dos1: and at least 200 customers who want to buy a device.   ->  and at least 200 customers who want to buy a device and made sure they get one from first production batch.
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12:56.59DocScrutinizer05dos1: and at least 200 customers who want to buy a device.   ->  and at least 200 customers who want to buy a device and made sure they get one from first production batch.
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19:20.31fw190hello
19:20.54fw190I have only today discovered that neo900 has it's own IRC
19:20.58fw190dang
19:21.09fw190and I was always looing at maemo and maemo-ssu
19:31.23ilonfw190: congrats and welcome!
19:32.55dos1fw190: hi! (not that we aren't available at maemo and maemo-ssu as well :D)
19:35.03ilondos1: btw, is the presentation from ohsw in english or german?
19:35.26dos1ilon: neo900 one is in english
19:35.48iloncool, then i will look at it when i can
19:37.54DocScrutinizer05dos1: moin!
19:38.20dos1DocScrutinizer05: hello!
19:38.45DocScrutinizer05how about newsletter? already sth I can review and comment? ;-)
19:39.30dos1nope, but working on it
19:40.26dos1"real life" consumed a bit more time than I expected :x
19:40.50DocScrutinizer05to make sure we don't look feeble and lazy - the topics are:
19:40.57DocScrutinizer05dualtouch
19:40.59ilonReal life's a kille
19:41.42dos1new pcb photos
19:41.52DocScrutinizer05Molex connector: we are about to ask Molex, and we found somebody already who would build the connectors for us, though probably for like 15EUR per connector :-o
19:42.45DocScrutinizer05new PCBs (#2 #3) finished, incl audio, tests pending of audio, GPS, keyboard and kbd-backlight
19:43.50DocScrutinizer05we started initiatives to get N900 parts, looking for complete N900 in good quality as well as for spare parts. Community contributions welcome
19:44.50DocScrutinizer05we had funny conversations with FSF and RMS
19:45.10DocScrutinizer05and interested affiliates or associates of FSF
19:45.56DocScrutinizer05our modem design is commonly considered the superior solution over what FSF requests
19:46.29dos1DocScrutinizer05: so there was something more than those first mails? :o
19:47.41DocScrutinizer05since we tightly monitor the modem (RF, status signals, power consumption, GPS ant power) and control it (hard reset, GPS ant forced shutdown) and thus we detect and counteract issues that might go unnoticed with the FSF approach
19:48.12DocScrutinizer05dos1: nah, not really. There been a few more inbound mails we answered, form other interested users
19:48.24DocScrutinizer05and lots of discussions in several IRC channels
19:48.30dos1k
19:48.42DocScrutinizer05RMS hasn't answered
19:48.54DocScrutinizer05probably pissed by my reply
19:49.03DocScrutinizer05:-P
19:49.49DocScrutinizer05how dare I call his approach an inapt means to warrant user's privacy and security? :-o
19:50.12DocScrutinizer05SORRY, THATS THE TRUTH! :-D
19:50.59dos1we'll see. I guess people will keep asking him about it, like previously
19:51.23DocScrutinizer05and also truth is that I'm more concerned about my own and the user's privacy than about any bizarre rules about what a hardware has to comply with to get the FSF approval
19:52.48DocScrutinizer05particuarly when those rules are straight impossible to comply with - there never been and never will be a modem with firmware in fused or mask programmed ROM
19:53.09DocScrutinizer05and any other method to store the firmware is not immutable
19:53.11dos1sure, and that's good
19:53.56DocScrutinizer05that aside it's a nonsensical rule since we can't comply with it
19:54.12DocScrutinizer05but yes, I'd not want to comply even if I could
19:55.32dos1I'm interested in their praise strictly for "PR", but only if they would accept it as you propose (or come up with something better)
19:55.53dos1their current recommendations are no-go
19:56.02DocScrutinizer05topic++: we still try hard to gather 1000 users who are so interested in the device that they want to MAKE SURe they get one FROM FIRST BATCH
19:56.24dos1it's still worth talking about and rising people's knowledge ;)
19:56.44DocScrutinizer05yes, you should elaborate on the whole FSF topic in newsletter
19:56.58DocScrutinizer05to the last gory detail
19:57.23DocScrutinizer05since it#s almost worth an own FAQ
19:57.41DocScrutinizer05I mean an own FAQ, not an own point in the existing FAQ
19:57.49DocScrutinizer05;-)
19:58.10dos1I think such separate article wouldn't be a bad idea
19:58.12DocScrutinizer05we really got a number of questions regarding that
19:59.14DocScrutinizer05and I never seen my approach of tight monitoring and control mentioned anywhere elese before
19:59.19dos1but I won't commit to preparing it to be published today
20:00.34dos1so maybe not in this newsletter, but that's for sure something that could be published on its own soon
20:01.15DocScrutinizer05maybe just mention it in newsletter and announce a longer article for next few days
20:01.37dos1k
20:02.15DocScrutinizer05just say "we got many questions from users concerned about their privacy as well as from FSF-related people and even RMS himself, and we think our approach is better than what FSF requests"
20:02.56DocScrutinizer05"we'll elaborate on it in detail in a comprehensive article to get published one of the next days"
20:04.26DocScrutinizer05in the end FSF is _not: concerned about users' privacy but only about free sourcecode
20:05.40DocScrutinizer05while we are concerned about users' privacy and freedom of the hardware so users get maximum choice to do with it whatever they want - in the limits that RL sets
20:10.50DocScrutinizer05also special credit goes to [2013-12-08 02:22:28] <wentknweqt_> http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1260910 <- could this be used?
20:11.37DocScrutinizer05since until then I planned to build all that with discrete components, based on my own 6 years old design
20:12.09DocScrutinizer05and tended to rather _not_ do it at all, in the end
20:12.27DocScrutinizer05the crtouch chip changed everything
20:13.21DocScrutinizer05you will want to link to my lengthy tmo post about r-ts MT
20:13.26DocScrutinizer05principles
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20:28.56DocScrutinizer05http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1393889&postcount=1473
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