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| 02:08.49 | lexik | Emm.. what about (DiY) connecting calypso chipset via RS232 (or maybe directly to the UART)? Calypso seems to be well documented (and pretty old :P -- not on market anymore) |
| 03:17.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | lexik: go ahead |
| 03:20.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | getting RF like a modem chipset right in layout isn't trivial though |
| 03:21.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe you find a module that is based on calypso chipset |
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| 04:52.00 | lexik | OK. Calypso seems to be impossible :| .. another option is MediaTek's MT6235, but it is computer itself.. running autonomous (yes, open-sourced) system inside another one is scary :D |
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| 14:09.31 | slyon | Neo900 engineering goals of phase 1 reached: |
| 14:09.32 | slyon | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6827308 |
| 14:09.38 | slyon | http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1ru69c/openphoenux_neo900_phase_i_results_ohsw_showcase/ |
| 14:16.17 | edgar2 | interesting. watching the video right now |
| 14:17.30 | edgar2 | am i correct in assuming, that a 100EUR donation now, will later give the opportunity to buy either the motherboard or the complete neo900? |
| 14:17.47 | slyon | edgar2, yes |
| 14:18.25 | edgar2 | is there an estimate of what the total cost will be for just the gta4 board that one is supposed to be able to fit into an existing n900? |
| 14:19.27 | slyon | edgar2, http://neo900.org/faq#cost |
| 14:21.55 | edgar2 | thanks |
| 14:35.12 | slyon | you're welcome |
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| 16:17.20 | dos1 | 191 :) |
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| 16:42.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm definitely fed up with lies from Nokia and Jolla |
| 16:43.18 | hbib1 | where do they lie? |
| 16:43.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | when it's about openness of their oh-so-cute systems |
| 16:43.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | also: |
| 16:44.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: toldya, you can't make a new whorehouse with the same old whores |
| 16:44.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is a bit drastic but prolly to the point |
| 16:45.28 | edgar2 | something in particular that made you take this up for discussion right now? |
| 16:45.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | for instance sailfish comes with developer mode and devel-su, and stskeeps told me it even comes with aegis, though they denied same thing 3 minutes later - probably it's called collar now |
| 16:46.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | devels don't dare to test nemo on jolla devices - "afraid to break stuff" OMG! |
| 16:47.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | all this made me conclude that jolla is same cert-tivoized BS like N9 |
| 16:48.28 | dos1 | I'd be surprised if it wasn't |
| 16:48.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, we always anticipated that |
| 16:49.23 | edgar2 | any reference to where one can find out more about possible aegis/aegis-like on jolla? |
| 16:49.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | "install developer-mode to get fingerterm, then devel-su gives you *full* permissions" BWAHAHAHA |
| 16:50.33 | hbib1 | i even think that N9 is better than jolla as their gui is even not free software. |
| 16:50.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | edgar2: try to pester the devels (same devels that invented harmattan & aegis) - maybe they tell you, maybe not |
| 16:51.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | for harmattan nokia and those guys betrayed community for almost 2 years, claiming there was a thing like 2openmode" to come, which everybody hoped was an unlocked device with an unlocked OS |
| 16:52.16 | edgar2 | yes, i remember that. |
| 16:52.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | in fact it been a locked down device with a OS with all the security stuff disabled by aegis and thus useless |
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| 23:38.04 | mashina | i want to believe in jolla but can't |
| 23:38.19 | mashina | they're taking everything i love about my N900 and stomping on my dreams |
| 23:42.47 | FIQ | capacitive screen |
| 23:43.08 | FIQ | no qwerty (allthough that *might* get solved with a custom other half) |
| 23:43.30 | FIQ | and afaik their OS (not the mer core but otherwise) is closed source? |
| 23:43.32 | freemangordon_ | FIQ: and who will do that? |
| 23:43.40 | freemangordon_ | (HW TOH) |
| 23:43.50 | freemangordon_ | hw kbd toh that is |
| 23:43.51 | FIQ | freemangordon_: that's another question :D |
| 23:44.02 | freemangordon_ | hmm, no, THAT is the question |
| 23:44.05 | FIQ | but given the demand, someone might want to do it for some money |
| 23:44.18 | FIQ | with points to "might" |
| 23:44.22 | FIQ | maaaybe |
| 23:44.29 | FIQ | far from a sure thing |
| 23:44.44 | freemangordon | FIQ: demand? what demand do you see? 100 users is not demand |
| 23:44.46 | freemangordon | IMO |
| 23:45.18 | FIQ | freemangordon: from what I've heard from a few people is that they have a lot of friends who would buy a jolla ... if it had hw kbd |
| 23:45.36 | FIQ | allthough I don't have numbers |
| 23:45.41 | freemangordon | esp when Jolla itself don't think it is important. at least that is what I see so far |
| 23:45.41 | FIQ | so I can't really say anything |
| 23:47.01 | freemangordon | forget about the numbers. If Jolla were really interesten in this project (HW KBD), I guess they would've opened their i2c iface and connectors specs some months ago |
| 23:47.24 | FIQ | would sailfish even have CSSU potential for life extension once the jolla devs jump ship with support for the device, as another point? |
| 23:47.27 | FIQ | freemangordon: true |
| 23:48.40 | freemangordon | FIQ: what I think is that all they care of is going "upstream", or whatever it is called. compete with android and ios, fuck the rest |
| 23:48.41 | FIQ | I'm considering a jolla, to have as a decent phone, but it can't really replace my N900... |
| 23:49.04 | freemangordon | look at the posts their CTO made on TMO - pure marketing shit |
| 23:49.38 | freemangordon | FIQ: recent? in what regard? |
| 23:49.57 | freemangordon | oh, sorry |
| 23:50.03 | freemangordon | misread "descent" |
| 23:50.20 | freemangordon | though, it is the same |
| 23:50.46 | freemangordon | how exactly jPhone differs from some android from sammy? |
| 23:52.27 | FIQ | freemangordon: to try out their OS, and get access to a few stuff ("apps") unavailable for maemo |
| 23:52.35 | freemangordon | so far, they(jolla) push their vision on what is the best down your throat in exactly the same way sammy does, IMO |
| 23:52.46 | FIQ | sammy? |
| 23:52.52 | freemangordon | samsung |
| 23:52.55 | FIQ | oh |
| 23:53.18 | freemangordon | FIQ: care to elaborate on those apps, I am curios what apps maemo5 lacks |
| 23:53.24 | freemangordon | some android stuff? |
| 23:53.38 | FIQ | yeah |
| 23:53.53 | FIQ | so either getting an android, or the jolla, is what I'm considering |
| 23:53.53 | freemangordon | well, buy android phone then :P |
| 23:54.02 | FIQ | I kinda want to try out their OS too |
| 23:54.14 | FIQ | they have proper multitasking |
| 23:54.16 | FIQ | unlike android |
| 23:54.24 | FIQ | god I hate android's "multitasking" |
| 23:54.56 | freemangordon | sure, but android applications are stopped in sailfish, the same way they are stopped in android |
| 23:55.03 | FIQ | aka "close down the apps randomly, especially those you want to keep open" |
| 23:55.07 | FIQ | hmm... |
| 23:55.32 | FIQ | I don't know of their compatibility but I've heard it has issues in the same vein that blackberry had |
| 23:55.36 | freemangordon | yep, check "user experience" or whatever the thread on TMo is called |
| 23:55.42 | FIQ | (though slightly better) |
| 23:55.51 | freemangordon | no idea |
| 23:56.11 | FIQ | but, before I get a jolla (which will be in a few months *at least*), I want to make sure I know what I get |
| 23:56.33 | FIQ | and I'll keep my N900 as well, as jolla can't possibly replace it |
| 23:56.36 | ShadowJK | If it runs android apps better than landfill androids I'll be surprised. |
| 23:56.42 | FIQ | just complement it |
| 23:56.42 | freemangordon | yeah, i guess in couple of monts it will be pretty much clear |
| 23:56.55 | FIQ | (if anything7 |
| 23:57.01 | FIQ | s/7/\)/ |
| 23:57.16 | FIQ | no infobot, that's not how regex parsing works |
| 23:57.50 | FIQ | btw |
| 23:57.59 | FIQ | what post by ceo was you referring to? |
| 23:58.08 | freemangordon | cto :) |
| 23:58.12 | FIQ | *cto |
| 23:58.54 | freemangordon | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1390834&postcount=26 |
| 23:59.57 | freemangordon | "We are constantly doing our best to deliver you the best experience. Wherever that will be." |