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| 04:23.34 | Macer | is there some sort of bt attachable qwerty i can put on an n9? :) |
| 04:23.50 | Macer | i know i saw something like that a while back... qwertys that clip onto the back of phones |
| 05:04.35 | mankeli | somebody modded an iphone qwerty to fit n9 :-p |
| 05:04.42 | mankeli | mut it looked a bit hackish |
| 05:04.46 | mankeli | but* |
| 05:25.01 | Macer | damn |
| 05:25.05 | Macer | yeah i saw it |
| 05:25.21 | Macer | i was looking for something like that to hook up to an n9 heh but i guess n9 isn't an iphone :-P |
| 05:25.25 | Macer | no accessory base |
| 05:25.43 | Macer | n9 is pretty thin too.. probably wouldn't be TOO bulky if you added a clip on qwerty |
| 05:25.59 | Macer | the poor man's n950 |
| 05:26.02 | mankeli | yeah, probably not |
| 05:26.11 | Macer | it's either that or get on the cousil |
| 05:26.12 | Macer | hides |
| 05:26.28 | Macer | counsel |
| 05:27.08 | Macer | if there were more n9s out there someone would probably make it but it's just not viable |
| 05:27.34 | Macer | and from what i can tell that project has stalled.. either way. that's a bad way to do it.. i'd rather bust out a traveling bt keyboard than open my n9 and drill holes into it |
| 05:27.35 | mankeli | maybe somebody should launch a kickstarter :-) |
| 05:27.37 | Macer | heh |
| 05:27.53 | Macer | if you can't do it with duct tape.. it just can't get done |
| 05:28.14 | Macer | i wouldn't mind getting an e7 either.. last of the symbians |
| 05:28.33 | Macer | but for some reason they are still priced way too high for something that doesn't sell |
| 05:29.38 | Macer | i mean cmon.. 400+ for an e7 on amazon :) who would pay that much for one? |
| 05:30.34 | mankeli | i know several people ;) |
| 05:30.48 | mankeli | it is after all quite a feature rich phone |
| 05:30.57 | mankeli | and symbian belle is very usable |
| 05:31.54 | Macer | i suppose heh |
| 05:32.04 | Macer | i would get one if they were 250-300 |
| 05:32.04 | mankeli | it has composite video out + hdmi, as well as all now standard periph., good keyboard, good mechanics etc |
| 05:32.15 | Macer | but does it run xterm?? |
| 05:32.16 | Macer | heh |
| 05:32.28 | Macer | if not then it is only worth $100 |
| 05:32.37 | mankeli | of course not :) |
| 05:32.53 | Macer | xterm is what really matters |
| 05:33.04 | mankeli | but if one doesn't care about it being linux and just likes to eg. use irc very much while on the road then it's quite perfect |
| 05:33.35 | Macer | you can do that on an iphone ;) |
| 05:34.01 | Macer | i have a lumia 900 now... the whole no multitasking thing totally sucks :-/ |
| 05:34.38 | Macer | everything running is killed once you exit minus the core features. it drives me crazy.. i mean i worked around it with the ssh client by running screen upon login but it still sucks |
| 05:34.56 | Macer | but att was pretty much paying people to buy them so i got one |
| 05:35.16 | Macer | i got 100 off my first bill (lumia 900 was 100 when i got it) and 100 in free accessories |
| 05:35.24 | mankeli | so you are saying that e7 with hw kbd is bad because it doesn't have xterm and you still have lumia? |
| 05:35.39 | Macer | they didnt have e7s ;) |
| 05:35.43 | Macer | otherwise i'd have gotten one |
| 05:35.59 | mankeli | okay :) |
| 05:36.10 | Macer | only reason i swapped from tmob using my n900 to att is because my n900 sim reader broke and tmobile sucks |
| 05:36.14 | mankeli | i'd like to get one also, just to try how it feels after some use |
| 05:36.27 | Macer | yah me too. i'd love an e7 |
| 05:36.31 | Macer | but i want to get an n9 first |
| 05:36.47 | Macer | just because it is the closest thing i can get to my n900 :( |
| 05:36.56 | Macer | says a prayer for his n900 |
| 05:37.11 | Macer | i still use it on the wifi every now and then but i really miss using it all the time |
| 05:37.21 | mankeli | but by principle i don't want to buy one |
| 05:37.41 | Macer | yeah haha... i said that same thing ... especially not for 400+ |
| 05:37.54 | Macer | that seems too expensive for something that is not selling well |
| 05:38.32 | mankeli | i mean lumia :) |
| 05:38.49 | Macer | oh |
| 05:38.59 | Macer | lumia still has wifi/cell issues |
| 05:39.23 | Macer | where the wifi stops working because of some weird network conflict between the cell data connection when it wakes up a few times. and the wifi ALWAYS turns off |
| 05:39.24 | mankeli | i have used n8 with belle a bit more, and afaik e7 is exactly the same but with faster cpu and hwkbd |
| 05:39.47 | Macer | there is no way to keep the wifi on in wp7 |
| 05:40.03 | mankeli | ugh |
| 05:40.05 | Macer | it's retarded .. and after it reconnects a few times it screws up |
| 05:40.20 | mankeli | what a pos |
| 05:40.23 | Macer | it keeps trying to use the cell dns instead of the wifi one and the cell dns doesn't allow outside network connections |
| 05:40.35 | Macer | and you can't manually edit network settings either |
| 05:40.43 | Macer | which makes me wonder wtf you're supposed to do if you don't use dhcp |
| 05:40.59 | mankeli | nokia had their savior in their hands, but instead become microsoft's bitch |
| 05:41.19 | Macer | the biggest kicker is the lumia 900 won't get windows 8 |
| 05:41.26 | Macer | what a blunder.. that might be the nail in the coffin for nokia |
| 05:41.40 | mankeli | does 800 get that? |
| 05:41.43 | Macer | but nokia is great at abandoning its hardware in terms of a new OS |
| 05:42.03 | Macer | doubt it.. if the 900 isn't i don't see why the 800 would either |
| 05:42.22 | Macer | they said they're going to release some 7.8 thing that "looks" like win8 |
| 05:42.36 | Macer | but that's like taking windows xp and installing a windows 7 theme on top of it ;) |
| 05:42.56 | mankeli | oh, yeah |
| 05:43.10 | Macer | i'm sure if they told people that BEFORE they got them... the lumia would have sold 10 units |
| 05:43.28 | Macer | why would people buy something that is basically going to be abandoned in like 6 months to a year? |
| 05:43.39 | Macer | they did the same thing to the n8x0 and n900 |
| 05:43.43 | Macer | and now lumia 900 |
| 05:44.03 | Macer | nokia just needs to go bankrupt and someone with some sense needs to buy their patents for their hardware |
| 05:44.16 | mankeli | yeah, and guess who it will be |
| 05:44.39 | Macer | MS :( |
| 05:44.43 | mankeli | yeah. |
| 05:44.51 | Macer | hey.. smart move by ms |
| 05:44.56 | Macer | sucks for theh world tho heh |
| 05:45.03 | mankeli | of course |
| 05:45.05 | Macer | unless ms fixes all these idiot things like wifi that doesn't stay on |
| 05:45.08 | mankeli | ms has always been ruthless |
| 05:45.28 | Macer | if MS buys nokia they will take the apple route |
| 05:45.38 | mankeli | yup |
| 05:45.39 | Macer | where they'll keep win8 on THEIR hardware only |
| 05:46.00 | mankeli | i hope that this is the turnover point where microsoft starts to go down |
| 05:46.02 | Macer | i think MS with nokia hardware under their belt can give the iphone a run for its money |
| 05:46.27 | Macer | MS and Apple know how to satisfy the cattle |
| 05:46.42 | Macer | hopefully someone releases a niche meego phone tho... that would be awesome |
| 05:46.59 | mankeli | when they start releasing their own hardware (based on nokia hw, and that tablet) oem vendors get angry |
| 05:47.10 | Macer | doesn't matter |
| 05:47.25 | Macer | what will the OEMs do then? send their OEMs out with ubuntu on them instead of windows? |
| 05:47.51 | Macer | the phone oems will but who cares? ;) MS pretty much still has a "monopoly" on non-apple hardware OEM stuff |
| 05:47.59 | mankeli | and paradigm shift of applications to browser causes their office money supply to end |
| 05:48.24 | mankeli | well, how about google os? |
| 05:48.29 | Macer | i don't know about that... that cloud based crap is just a lever marketing fad |
| 05:48.34 | Macer | clever |
| 05:48.49 | Macer | the touchbook stuff? |
| 05:49.02 | mankeli | or is it called chrome os |
| 05:49.04 | Macer | chromeOS? didn't that totally tank as bad as G+? |
| 05:49.31 | Macer | nobody wants chromeOS.. it makes no sense to get something like that |
| 05:49.32 | mankeli | anyway, their linux based os that is meant for running cloud apps |
| 05:49.58 | Macer | yeah but then you rely solely on google ... who wants to do that? no local storage? that sounds dangerous |
| 05:50.11 | mankeli | indeed |
| 05:50.17 | Macer | and who knows what google is going to siphon through in order to get data for its ad selling |
| 05:50.19 | mankeli | but if it's convinient enough for people |
| 05:50.21 | Macer | like they do with ad-droid |
| 05:50.33 | mankeli | they don't care |
| 05:50.50 | mankeli | just look at facebook and the popularity of gmail for example |
| 05:50.50 | Macer | i guess.. but that type of system just won't work. people want something local... you might find a good share that jump onboard but i doubt it will be a worldwide fad |
| 05:51.18 | Macer | yeah but to store everything on google? :) i dunno.. not to mention the web based apps kind of sucked when compared to even openoffice |
| 05:51.34 | Macer | although personally i love openoffice heh |
| 05:51.47 | mankeli | well i don't know |
| 05:51.57 | Macer | yeah.. nobody does. but we'll see |
| 05:52.31 | Macer | in the meantime i want an N9 :) |
| 05:52.39 | Macer | the last true "linux" mobile device |
| 05:52.53 | mankeli | i'm just hoping that something like this would happen. mainly because i don't like directx since it only works on ms devices, while rest of the world uses opengl es |
| 05:52.58 | Macer | that does awesome stuff like run things in the background |
| 05:53.18 | mankeli | yes |
| 05:53.29 | Macer | i thought dx was rather universal from the development standpoint |
| 05:53.44 | Macer | can't yoou just write an api to convert dx to gles? |
| 05:54.09 | mankeli | of course i can do all kinds of wrappers and abstractions |
| 05:54.31 | mankeli | it's just that i don't want to |
| 05:54.39 | Macer | heh |
| 05:54.58 | mankeli | on desktop, opengl works on windows too but mobile devices are different story |
| 05:55.15 | mankeli | and if they gain traction, well, this has to be done |
| 05:55.37 | mankeli | i mean supporting both |
| 05:55.40 | Macer | yeah but what else actually uses only opengles? |
| 05:55.49 | Macer | do iphones and android devices use it? |
| 05:56.12 | mankeli | iphones, androids, meegos |
| 05:56.22 | Macer | then i doubt directx will be an issue |
| 05:56.37 | Macer | although meegos only have like .000001% of the market ;) |
| 05:57.38 | mankeli | well isn't iphone and android enough already? |
| 05:57.48 | mankeli | meego just because i happen to have n9 which is nice phone to develop with |
| 05:57.50 | Macer | yeah heh |
| 05:58.24 | Macer | but N9(xx) is a special breed :( |
| 05:58.29 | Macer | not to be seen ever again sadly |
| 05:58.59 | Macer | anyways.. sleepy time... hopefully next week i can spare some $ for n N9 |
| 05:59.04 | Macer | an |
| 05:59.06 | Macer | ttyl |
| 05:59.22 | mankeli | night |
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| 09:23.52 | Oni^ | anyone know sgf viewer for N9 |
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| 10:03.30 | marsje | Oni^: what is sgf? |
| 10:05.11 | Oni^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:06.29 | Oni^ | I would like to view records of go games |
| 10:11.32 | marsje | never heard of it.. |
| 10:11.55 | marsje | I see there are at least 2 python libraries and you can run python on your N9 |
| 10:12.44 | marsje | but I assume you want to view it as graphics? |
| 10:13.10 | Oni^ | Ascii is ok too |
| 10:13.43 | Oni^ | marsje: any links? |
| 10:13.56 | Oni^ | or names |
| 10:15.54 | marsje | http://senseis.xmp.net/?SmartGameFormat |
| 10:16.07 | marsje | on the bottom there are some links |
| 10:17.20 | Oni^ | thanks |
| 10:20.01 | marsje | you can always install MeeTxtEdit if you just want to see the raw file |
| 10:20.13 | marsje | or other editors |
| 10:25.31 | Oni^ | I'm looking software that can do this http://www.go4go.net/v2/modules/collection/sgfview.php?id=14522 |
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| 10:49.58 | Macer | damn too bad the thing they have in the forums is not meant for an n9 |
| 10:50.00 | Macer | heh |
| 10:50.24 | Macer | why does the iphone get all the awesome stuff |
| 10:50.45 | valdur55 | iphone is mainstream ^-^ |
| 10:53.24 | sledges | Macer, for example? |
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| 11:41.43 | Macer | sledges: sorry.. like that attachable sliding bt keyboard ;) |
| 11:41.51 | Macer | or the charging pad cases |
| 11:42.07 | Macer | well.. covers.. whatever you want to call them |
| 11:42.34 | sledges | ah, those are the HW bits you're on ;) |
| 11:43.15 | sledges | thought you are talking about the apps |
| 11:52.39 | Macer | no |
| 11:53.01 | Macer | for all intents and purposes... ios kind of sucks.. i guess it's good if you aren't looking for much other than typical phone stuff |
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| 18:21.16 | oni|mobi | how get extra keys in funktion row of N9 |
| 18:22.57 | oni|mobi | I need use alt with arrows |
| 18:26.16 | oni|mobi | something like tab;alt;ctrl;esc;^;v;<;> would be nice |
| 18:28.59 | valdur55 | oni|mobi, on what app? |
| 18:29.57 | oni|mobi | to default virtual keyboard |
| 18:31.27 | jonni | default virtual keyboard doesnt have function row |
| 18:31.56 | jonni | but if you mean the terminal application which does have, it has config file that you can edit to add keys |
| 18:32.49 | oni|mobi | what ew |
| 18:32.57 | valdur55 | You can switch to swipe keyboard and swipe over _ _ _ space |
| 18:33.28 | oni|mobi | what ever special kwy row |
| 18:33.30 | valdur55 | three buttons near the space . |
| 18:33.34 | oni|mobi | *key |
| 18:34.19 | valdur55 | Finger, 123 , EN - those keys |
| 18:36.12 | oni|mobi | in N9 virtual keybord |
| 18:37.07 | oni|mobi | i want add extra alt in same row than arrow keys |
| 18:37.32 | oni|mobi | and pguo and pgdn |
| 18:37.38 | jonni | on that your having more troubles, you can search tmo about custom malit layouts, but most likely you have to code/compile/makedebian package for it. |
| 18:38.22 | oni|mobi | : ( so no hack to qml file or something like that |
| 18:38.23 | jonni | adding arrowkeys and pdup&down on terminal is easier since for that you only need to edit the config |
| 18:39.00 | valdur55 | or install package :) |
| 18:39.05 | valdur55 | from ovi store |
| 18:40.04 | oni|mobi | I want add keys to N9 default keyboard |
| 18:40.39 | oni|mobi | and I have finnish layout |
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| 18:42.42 | oni|mobi | jonni what confog file |
| 18:43.28 | oni|mobi | fog = fig |
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| 18:46.45 | oni|mobi | well heading home eta. 5 min |
| 18:50.37 | valdur55 | http://everythingn9.com/advanced-keyboard-functions-nokia-n9/ |
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| 18:58.30 | Oni^ | so what file I must modify that I get extra alt on same row that has arrows, Pgup Pgdn |
| 19:05.54 | valdur55 | keyboard layouts file |
| 19:06.12 | Oni^ | location |
| 19:06.17 | Oni^ | please |
| 19:06.44 | valdur55 | Two folders: /home/user/.config/meego-keyboard/layouts/ - for local layouts (don't need to be root) |
| 19:07.34 | Oni^ | thanks |
| 19:07.49 | valdur55 | and in /usr/share/meegotouch/virtual-keyboard/layouts/ |
| 19:12.28 | valdur55 | and with mesinput you get more keyboard layouts |
| 19:13.52 | valdur55 | Nice.. i have dependency problems... I can't install irssi :P |
| 19:17.39 | valdur55 | Omg.. Hard dependency :( |
| 19:18.53 | Oni^ | and apt-get install -f doesm't solve it |
| 19:19.03 | Oni^ | m=n |
| 19:54.40 | valdur55 | irssi needs PR1.2 packages :( |
| 19:55.42 | valdur55 | oh.. just PR1.2 timed libperl5.10 package |
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| 21:46.47 | Macer | new wp update and i think nokia and ms fixed the wifi issues finally |
| 21:46.54 | Macer | for lumia 900 |
| 21:48.48 | sledges | no comments :)) |
| 21:49.28 | Macer | heh |
| 21:49.41 | Macer | it is probably still broken |
| 21:49.45 | Macer | ;) |
| 21:49.55 | Macer | THE BETA TEST IS OVER!!! |
| 21:50.13 | sledges | :)) |
| 21:50.32 | Macer | lmao. worst marketing ever |
| 21:50.46 | Macer | thet swore the lumia 900 was perfecy |
| 21:50.55 | Macer | perfect |
| 21:51.23 | Macer | just need to get an N9 |
| 21:51.40 | Macer | i just need to make sure it suplorts att 3G |
| 21:51.46 | sledges | spot-on: my heart is breaking whenever I see huge lumia posters, wishing tI was living in a universe where those were of N9. |
| 21:52.00 | sledges | 3G just fine on my N9 |
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