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| 11:20.49 | juhaj | apt-get tells me it cannot lock /var/lib/dpkg, but i have no installations going on. is there a daemon locking it or is it safe to assume the lock is stale (fuser /var/lib/dpkg/lock gives me nothing) and remove the lock by hand? |
| 11:22.38 | xTs | I guess you just have not the permissions to run apt-get as user |
| 11:30.36 | juhaj | devel-su did give me the rights before |
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| 12:01.04 | xTs | then you might wanna try lsof if it's installed |
| 12:02.20 | jonni | killalll pkgmgrd |
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| 12:54.08 | juhaj | jonni: What's pkgmgrd? Should it be running and what do I miss if it is not? |
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| 14:19.23 | itsnotabigtruck | xts: doesn't have to do with permissions usually |
| 14:19.26 | itsnotabigtruck | it's the pkgmgrd thing |
| 14:19.55 | itsnotabigtruck | juhaj: it runs temporarily and lingers around for a long time afterward, leaving dpkg locked because it's bugy |
| 14:20.27 | itsnotabigtruck | *buggy it's safe to kill it (with SIGTERM), it waits until everything is done anyway before exiting |
| 14:20.52 | itsnotabigtruck | it runs when you use the pkgmgr command or do anything package related in the gui |
| 14:21.03 | itsnotabigtruck | but since it's been a few hours it's probably already exited by itself |
| 14:27.23 | xTs | i wish the n9 was more like a linux distribution... updates every few days with bug fixes :| |
| 14:31.38 | juhaj | itsnotabigtruck: You seem to have been correct: it has gone away without killing |
| 14:31.51 | juhaj | itsnotabigtruck: Unfortunately, the package I wanted to install is not available =( |
| 14:32.29 | juhaj | xTs: Is there anything preventing "us" from actually making it such? The radio/gsm parts perhaps? |
| 14:32.37 | juhaj | (Manpower, of course) |
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| 14:44.31 | xTs | juhaj: it's a bit more complicated than that |
| 14:48.27 | juhaj | How about subversion? Is it more complicated than getting the deb from http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle-1.3/free/s/subversion/? |
| 14:49.32 | juhaj | I hate this chaos with repositories... I wish there were Debian/N9 or something where a single repo would be enough for everything except the odd proprietary package. |
| 14:49.33 | itsnotabigtruck | yes, since that's for fremantle |
| 14:50.02 | juhaj | Which one of those? 1.6.12 ot .16? |
| 14:50.14 | itsnotabigtruck | and the main reason you can't have it "just like a linux distribution" is that those distributions don't have updates to the packages that make the N9 remotely usable |
| 14:50.32 | itsnotabigtruck | juhaj: yes, as in more complicated than that, so neither |
| 14:52.15 | juhaj | itsnotabigtruck: I do not mean it would need to be Debian or Ubuntu or Arch, just similarly everything in one repo. There could be "deb http://repo meego official_nokia ovi_store community community_extras community_these_will_break_your_phone" for example (using apt's repo syntax) |
| 14:52.25 | itsnotabigtruck | right |
| 14:52.32 | itsnotabigtruck | and right now it's really fragmented |
| 14:52.35 | itsnotabigtruck | :( |
| 14:52.38 | itsnotabigtruck | your best bet is rzr's repo |
| 14:52.48 | itsnotabigtruck | it's the closest to what you're mentioning |
| 14:52.56 | juhaj | This one http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/rzr:/harmattan/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard/ ? |
| 14:52.58 | itsnotabigtruck | including the it might break your phone part, so don't do an apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 14:52.59 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah |
| 14:53.22 | juhaj | I would never think of doing a dist-upgrade on my phone... |
| 14:53.34 | juhaj | Well.. not without removing all the non-official repos first anyway |
| 14:53.58 | juhaj | But rzr's repo does not have subversion =( |
| 14:55.04 | juhaj | I wonder why Nokia did not create that kind of repo structure. It would really have made a big difference. They must have had a VERY good reason to induce this kind of horrible fragmentation or they are just plain stupid (which, considering some of their latest business decisions, might not be a bad guess...) |
| 14:55.58 | juhaj | Bah. Subversion did not install: subversion from that repo needs libaprutil1 =( |
| 14:56.21 | itsnotabigtruck | juhaj: fire up scratchbox and compile the stuff, that's probably your best bet |
| 14:59.19 | juhaj | itsnotabigtruck: Hmm... since I have been planning on installing scratchbox and learning about the environment anyway (recall my problem with kontach touch?), subversion might actually be a lot easier as a first package to compile... |
| 15:02.02 | juhaj | Any idea how safe this is: deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle-1.3 free non-free |
| 15:05.28 | juhaj | Urgh... its useless. That repo has dependencies which cannot be fulfilled: libaprutil1: Depends: libdb4.2 (>= 4.2.52+dfsg-5maemo1) but 4.2.52+dfsg-5 is to be installed (4.2.52+dfsg-5 is what rzr has, and most likely would work, but ...) |
| 15:05.32 | juhaj | Scratchbox time |
| 15:06.26 | juhaj | There is something called Easy Debian..? What's that? |
| 15:07.48 | juhaj | And http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Alternative_development_environments_Platform_SDK_user_guide_Installing_Harmattan_Platform_SDK_Installing_Harmattan_Platform_SDK_manually.html#Installing_the_Scratchbox_packages says I should install scratchbox from scratchbox.org, not straight from Debian: is this outdated (Debian does have scratchbox) or is Debian's scratchbox lacking something? |
| 15:09.17 | juhaj | (Sorry about the horribly long URL, I did not realise it was that long.) |
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| 16:04.26 | juhaj | Is it possible to open the lock-screen over vnc somehow? |
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| 21:26.19 | juhaj | Is it ok to use Debian's scratchbox instead of the one from scratchbox.org? |
| 21:26.37 | juhaj | I mean, will it work |
| 21:30.58 | itsnotabigtruck | juhaj: i think so |
| 21:31.32 | juhaj | Then we'll see... |
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