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| 14:02.09 | hotzenplotz_ | rofl0r hast du MSEIDE unter win7 64 schon zum laufen bekommen? |
| 14:24.17 | Manu | hotzenplotz_: ja |
| 15:37.46 | hotzenplotz_ | hey Manu you are understand my language very well... |
| 15:38.06 | hotzenplotz_ | whats new in madrid? :) |
| 15:38.48 | hotzenplotz_ | FC Bayern munic comes on 22. to you ;) |
| 15:39.34 | Manu | I don't follow football.. my little son does :) |
| 15:46.42 | hotzenplotz_ | yeah yeah i know.... |
| 15:47.10 | hotzenplotz_ | but this is champignons league... |
| 15:47.34 | hotzenplotz_ | so you really didn't hear 'bout it? :) |
| 15:56.19 | Manu | yes, of course. It's continuosly on tv :) |
| 15:57.56 | hotzenplotz_ | :D |
| 15:58.33 | hotzenplotz_ | so MSEIde runs under 64bit win7? |
| 16:00.03 | Manu | yes AFAIK |
| 16:00.25 | Manu | it compiles with fpc64 so it must work |
| 16:00.35 | Manu | guessing fpc64 compiles on windows 7 :) |
| 16:00.48 | Manu | I never tried windows 64 |
| 16:00.56 | hotzenplotz_ | it does |
| 16:01.22 | hotzenplotz_ | i test it now |
| 16:01.32 | Manu | I use cross compiling linux/windows in a linux host but only 32 bits |
| 16:02.21 | Manu | syncronize using svn and then execute the script in mseide directory to compile :) |
| 16:02.23 | hotzenplotz_ | mhm |
| 16:03.18 | hotzenplotz_ | warning: ..../default/mainform.pas not found |
| 16:03.44 | hotzenplotz_ | also *.mfm not found |
| 16:03.45 | Manu | have you updated svn? |
| 16:03.46 | hotzenplotz_ | lol |
| 16:03.52 | hotzenplotz_ | wait |
| 16:03.56 | hotzenplotz_ | i stupid |
| 16:03.58 | hotzenplotz_ | ;) |
| 16:04.03 | hotzenplotz_ | 'm |
| 16:04.12 | Manu | then execute updatefromsvn to compile |
| 16:04.55 | Manu | well.. in windows it's updatefromsvn.bat :) |
| 16:05.22 | hotzenplotz_ | mhm |
| 16:05.30 | hotzenplotz_ | i get the svn tree |
| 16:05.40 | Manu | svn trunk only... |
| 16:05.55 | hotzenplotz_ | yeah sure |
| 16:06.13 | Manu | look for updatefromsvn.bat script |
| 16:06.39 | hotzenplotz_ | yeah and exicute this thing;) |
| 16:06.48 | Manu | yes, better ;) |
| 16:06.57 | Manu | das ist gut ;) |
| 16:08.06 | hotzenplotz_ | but now i'm away for a while.. taking a shower, catching the kids and bring them to bed :) |
| 16:08.25 | hotzenplotz_ | ja so ein script ist nicht schlecht |
| 16:08.27 | hotzenplotz_ | ;) |
| 16:08.28 | hotzenplotz_ | afk |
| 16:08.29 | Manu | :) I'm almost done at work |
| 16:08.41 | hotzenplotz_ | good... |
| 16:51.51 | rofl0r | i dont use windows, hotzenplotz_ |
| 16:52.10 | rofl0r | but porting the ide to linux 64 was trivial |
| 16:52.32 | rofl0r | i just copied the i386-linux folder to x86_64-linux |
| 16:53.00 | rofl0r | everything worked out of the box, except one compiler error... i had to fix that manually |
| 16:54.40 | Manu | IIRC svn trunk version compiles fine with fpc64 |
| 16:55.26 | rofl0r | but i dropped mseide... there are some great classes, but no documentation at all. AND, there's no autocompletion, so figuring out the stuff on my own gets too hairy |
| 16:55.40 | Manu | :) |
| 16:56.37 | rofl0r | i think its the job of the author to fix this (at least docu) |
| 16:56.47 | rofl0r | now, it's only a half product |
| 16:57.21 | Manu | well, once you know how to things do work, is easy to use it |
| 16:57.53 | Manu | about the docs Martin left it to the users |
| 16:58.09 | Manu | and he doesn't like autocompletion... |
| 16:58.23 | rofl0r | i.e. i found out how to assign an event "onMouseSomething", including getting the code for the event |
| 16:58.35 | rofl0r | so there's this event record |
| 16:58.42 | rofl0r | aInfo. |
| 16:58.58 | rofl0r | usually the record fields would pop up |
| 16:59.04 | Manu | now there is an option to navigate in the sources.. pressing ctrl + click on a class it opens the source code unit |
| 16:59.20 | Manu | I agree with you about autocompletion and docs |
| 16:59.33 | rofl0r | now i have to scroll to the type definition, crtl-click it, remember the type of the record field, and so on |
| 17:00.48 | rofl0r | i tried to implement dragging of a form (borderless) |
| 17:01.37 | rofl0r | then some bug appeared... so without docu, how should i know if i.e. the coordinates are absolute or relative ? and if they're relative, how to get the absolute ones ? |
| 17:02.13 | rofl0r | too hard- i tried around 3 hours to get that to work |
| 17:02.25 | rofl0r | in lazarus it was done in 15 minutes |
| 17:02.33 | Manu | yes, I know |
| 17:03.06 | Manu | autocompletion is for something :) |
| 17:03.10 | rofl0r | yeah ;) |
| 17:06.47 | rofl0r | martin thinks the users will do the docu ? that means reverse engineering of a giant project |
| 17:06.55 | rofl0r | i dont think it will be ever done |
| 17:07.37 | rofl0r | and to wait for an email reply is just too slow nowadays |
| 17:07.54 | rofl0r | if he would idle here, things may be different |
| 17:08.33 | Manu | I suggested once using pasdoc and do the commments in the source code |
| 17:08.46 | Manu | but he said don't like to insert the docs into the code |
| 17:09.23 | rofl0r | that's a stupid attitude, imho |
| 17:09.37 | Manu | it's his project |
| 17:09.57 | Manu | documtne outside the code is difficult to maintain |
| 17:10.08 | rofl0r | yes |
| 17:23.13 | hotzenplotz_ | yeah |
| 17:23.59 | hotzenplotz_ | this is a main problem from the objectpascal community |
| 17:24.13 | hotzenplotz_ | :) |
| 17:24.20 | hotzenplotz_ | documenting classes |
| 17:25.35 | hotzenplotz_ | if i provide an class i can document it! i should do it! |
| 17:42.31 | rofl0r | true |
| 17:43.04 | rofl0r | i started with turbo pascal because it had an excellent help |
| 17:43.18 | rofl0r | in contrast to quickbasic, which i was using before |
| 17:43.59 | rofl0r | (and the size of my program were 7 KB vs 100 or so) |
| 17:44.26 | nickysn | and turbo pascal was much much faster |
| 17:44.52 | nickysn | that's the reason I switched from qbasic to turbo pascal |
| 17:45.02 | hotzenplotz_ | i used C, C++ and D before... it is a must be to document your code in this communities ;) |
| 17:45.11 | rofl0r | i didnt see this really... my biggest program had only around 1 kloc |
| 17:47.23 | nickysn | actually, fpc has excellent documentation |
| 17:47.31 | nickysn | but lazarus - not so much :( |
| 17:47.52 | rofl0r | a screenshot of my biggest TP program - http://krazz.net/retnyg/base.gif ;) |
| 17:48.14 | nickysn | cool :) |
| 17:48.20 | hotzenplotz_ | putzig ;) |
| 17:48.42 | rofl0r | :) |
| 17:49.13 | nickysn | a few days ago, I was playing with the old DOS IDEs |
| 17:49.32 | nickysn | I made a patch for dosbox for proper ctrl+break handling, so these IDEs can be useful again :) |
| 17:49.59 | rofl0r | hey - we have FPIDE now :p |
| 17:50.17 | nickysn | https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3000141&group_id=52551&atid=467234 and https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2998931&group_id=52551&atid=467234 |
| 17:50.56 | nickysn | I know about FPIDE, but I was doing it out of nostalgia :) |
| 17:51.05 | rofl0r | i see ;) |
| 17:53.13 | hotzenplotz_ | can i convert word to integer? |
| 17:53.40 | rofl0r | sure : myint := myword and $FFFF; |
| 17:54.17 | nickysn | that's the other way around |
| 17:54.32 | nickysn | do you mean a 16-bit integer or 32-bit? |
| 17:54.46 | hotzenplotz_ | 16bit |
| 17:55.06 | rofl0r | 16bit integer = word |
| 17:55.19 | hotzenplotz_ | what do the directiv $FFFF |
| 17:55.30 | hotzenplotz_ | what is a word? lol |
| 17:55.38 | nickysn | word is 16-bit unsigned |
| 17:55.40 | hotzenplotz_ | is this an integer? |
| 17:55.44 | rofl0r | it mask the lower 2 bytes to be set, and all other to be removed |
| 17:55.52 | nickysn | integer is 16-bit signed or 32-bit signed, depending on compiler mode |
| 17:55.57 | hotzenplotz_ | ok |
| 17:56.07 | hotzenplotz_ | ok thx |
| 17:56.08 | nickysn | and $FFFF is bitwise and with FFFF hex |
| 17:56.20 | hotzenplotz_ | ok |
| 17:56.21 | nickysn | longint is always 32-bit signed |
| 17:56.28 | nickysn | smallint is always 16-bit signed |
| 17:56.50 | hotzenplotz_ | mhm |
| 17:56.54 | nickysn | integer is either 16 or 32, depending on compiler mode - 16-bit in FPC and TP modes; 32-bit in OBJFPC and DELPHI modes |
| 17:57.45 | rofl0r | but most important is sizeint / sizeuint |
| 17:58.01 | rofl0r | you should always use this for counters and stuff like that |
| 17:58.11 | rofl0r | for the maximum performance |
| 17:58.33 | hotzenplotz_ | ok there's a lot of datatypes in objectpascal |
| 17:58.43 | rofl0r | it is either 32 or 64bit, same as the pointer size of the cpu architecture |
| 17:58.49 | nickysn | I've never used sizeint/sizeuint |
| 17:59.00 | nickysn | no, its PtrInt and PtrUInt |
| 17:59.01 | hotzenplotz_ | it's getting difficult ;) |
| 17:59.07 | nickysn | that's an integer the same size as a pointer |
| 17:59.16 | nickysn | that's when you want to typecast a pointer to integer |
| 17:59.30 | rofl0r | same as sizeint, nickysn : the ptr types are used to handle pointers |
| 18:00.19 | rofl0r | i made a benchmark comparing integer use vs sizeint on 64bit os |
| 18:00.31 | rofl0r | using 64bit ints is around 30% faster |
| 18:01.24 | hotzenplotz_ | yeah true? cool |
| 18:01.56 | nickysn | rofl0r, without range checking? |
| 18:02.13 | rofl0r | no, why ? |
| 18:02.54 | rofl0r | i ll paste the code, second |
| 18:05.05 | rofl0r | http://paste.dprogramming.com/dpwu9cdl |
| 18:05.54 | hotzenplotz_ | hey is ther no wrapper to convert word to integer something like wordToInt ;) ? |
| 18:06.39 | rofl0r | i think usually a simple assignment should suffice |
| 18:06.43 | nickysn | no, all integer types are compatible with each other in Pascal |
| 18:06.51 | rofl0r | i only do the ANDing to be sure |
| 18:06.52 | nickysn | but may produce range check errors |
| 18:07.05 | hotzenplotz_ | lol ok |
| 18:07.10 | hotzenplotz_ | ich vermisse D |
| 18:07.12 | hotzenplotz_ | ;) |
| 18:07.28 | nickysn | so, if you assign word to (16-bit) integer |
| 18:07.45 | nickysn | it'll produce a range check error if the word is larger than 32k |
| 18:08.12 | nickysn | since that value is outside the range of a 16-bit integer |
| 18:08.44 | rofl0r | ok, what does that have to do with sizeint usage ? |
| 18:08.44 | hotzenplotz_ | hm |
| 18:09.30 | rofl0r | i just meant one should use a sizeint whenever one needs an integer, for having the max performance on any cpu |
| 18:10.48 | rofl0r | this would then be: MOV RAX, myvalue |
| 18:11.10 | rofl0r | otherwise at least 2 ops are needed |
| 18:12.30 | rofl0r | clear the register, and set the value in the eax part |
| 18:14.54 | hotzenplotz_ | Copyright (C) 1997, 1998 Gertjan Schouten lol |
| 18:15.57 | hotzenplotz_ | ok... it sounds that the datih.inc is a bit out of date |
| 18:16.14 | hotzenplotz_ | and in this file is the word datatype |
| 18:18.37 | hotzenplotz_ | ok. need to go now... n8 |
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