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| 11:26.08 | mmm4m5m | Hi, My understanding, MSE target is linux/win, and main goal is not VCL compatibility. These are the main differences with Lazarus. But I do not understand, why MSE use different IDE? Why it is not just a different library/component, plugins/wizards for lazarus? |
| 11:56.11 | mmm4m5m | also docs does not say much: http://www.msegui.org/node/60 |
| 11:56.23 | mmm4m5m | :) |
| 13:40.01 | Manu | hi |
| 13:40.25 | Manu | because it's different, is not only those differences |
| 13:40.55 | Manu | MSE is a different product |
| 13:41.22 | Manu | both use Freepascal but they are different, not only the VCL compatibility |
| 13:41.46 | Manu | about the docs, it's a work in progress |
| 13:42.19 | Manu | the best way to learn is using it, reading the source code and asking in the news or here |
| 13:42.39 | Manu | there is also msedocumenting |
| 13:42.54 | Manu | the url is in the topic |
| 13:43.03 | Manu | you can find there a couple of examples |
| 15:40.37 | mmm4m5m | Manu: sorry, I was away |
| 15:42.12 | mmm4m5m | Manu: thanks for the answer. My question is not - is it ready or in progress.. but more about "why you decide to be separate product". And as example I told - it could be lazarus extension. Maybe there are reasons, why it will be bad to be extension ... or it is not possible, because the idea is different - that is why I ask |
| 15:42.58 | mmm4m5m | will check the msedocumenting link |
| 15:47.05 | mmm4m5m | Manu: and btw, I am almost new with all - linux, lazarus, free pascal. I do not know if "lazarus is slow" or "very complicated" or something else.... maybe the only point of view that I have right now is... there are so many projects, so much work in progress... why new IDE if there is already one (lazarus) which is not bad |
| 15:51.04 | mmm4m5m | Я Ñоже по ÑÑÑки Ð¿Ð¾Ð½Ð¸Ð¼Ð°Ñ :) не множко |
| 17:53.44 | Manu | lazarus is easier to learn, but it's a beta product (still) |
| 17:54.09 | Manu | mseide is not difficult when you understand how it works |
| 17:54.43 | Manu | mseide is used in production, it's well tested and bugs are fixed usually in a few hours ;) |
| 17:55.45 | Manu | why new ide? because when Martin (the MSEide owner) decided to use lazarus, it wasn't ready for his needs |
| 17:56.22 | Manu | so he developed a new product, toolkit independient. (MSEide doesn't need QT, GTK... it uses directly GDI in windows and X in Linux) |
| 17:57.06 | Manu | database widgets are working fine in MSE, they are at early stages in lazarus, but usables. |
| 17:57.36 | Manu | if you are learning, you can try both and then use that one that fill your needs |
| 17:57.43 | Manu | I use both :) |
| 18:39.37 | mmm4m5m | Manu: ok, thank you again. I think, will download it and look closer |
| 18:44.13 | Manu | for better support I suggest you to join the news (the url is in the topic) |