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05:58.31domingoadManu, FPCFan and others I want to discuss and idea with you !
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07:26.23domingoadManu, FPCFan and others I want to discuss and idea with you !
07:40.25Manudomingoad: I'm a bit busy right now. I can at 10:05 :)
07:42.14Manuabout your message in the news I guess :)
07:42.27domingoadyes
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08:10.54Manudomingoad: voy a tardar un poco mas... me tienen que cambiar la bateria al coche :/
08:11.16domingoadno pasa nada todavia pienso vivir uno 40 años
08:11.40Manula bateria tenia mas de 5 años... bastante ha aguantado :)
08:15.08ManuBTW, domingoad, fpcfan no esta aqui ;)  le puedes encontrar en #lazarus-es
08:16.23Manudomingoad: IIRC fpk^off is also a lazarus dev
08:19.54domingoadel pasa por aqui de cuando en cuando
08:23.34Manudomingoad: hasta que vengan los mecanicos tengo un poco de tiempo
08:23.41Manucual es exactamente tu idea?
08:23.59Manuwe can talk in english so others can understand us :)
08:37.15domingoadWe are talking several times about improving mseide, msegui and to port some other packages to use in msegui/mseide
08:37.50Manuyes, non graphical widgets aren't too difficult to port I guess
08:37.51domingoadand yesterday I was giving another look at lazarus and I saw the fpgui interface
08:38.10Manuyes, graems is working hard on fpgui
08:38.20ManuGraeme*
08:39.07domingoadAnd I tought, if we can make an interface to run lazarus on top of msegui we can have all ported software for lazarus and no need to of gtk/gtk2/qt/ in linux
08:39.41Manuyou mean port msegui to lazarus?
08:40.27Manuso lazarus can use msegui to draw widgets?
08:40.27domingoadand we can develop mixed, what is best done by lazarus in lazarus, what is best in msegui on mseide and we can link the together
08:40.28domingoadno make an interface to allow lazarus and it's packages run on top of msegui
08:41.08domingoadyse, "so lazarus can use msegui to draw widgets?"
08:41.10Manulazarus and msegui are a bit different
08:41.26Manuah, then is what I said :)
08:41.40domingoadyes I know, and this is why we need an interface
08:42.12Manuthe main problem I see is lazarus uses a windows for every widget IIRC
08:42.17Manuand msegui no
08:42.25domingoadbut it's not "port msegui to lazarus?", interface lazarus to msegui
08:42.56domingoadno problem, let it do it it's way
08:43.38domingoadyou've got the idea "so lazarus can use msegui to draw widgets" let lazarus do what it does on top of msegui
08:44.17domingoadand we can link together msegui/mseide code with lazarus/lazarus packages code
08:44.38domingoadwithout depend on gtk/gtk2/....
08:44.53Manudomingoad: ya me han arrancado el coche.. voy al taller a cambiar la bateria y vuelvo mas tarde
08:44.56Manu:/
08:45.00Manudomingoad: me interesa esto :)
08:45.10Manuabririamos muchas posibilidades
08:53.08domingoadasi es
08:54.12domingoadWe can try start it and have an idea of how long/easy it will be
10:37.51Manudomingoad: I'm back
10:52.44domingoadOk
10:53.54domingoadI was following the indications on http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Adding_a_new_interface and it seems that they have it well organized
10:55.00Manudomingoad: what's the advantage of using msegui instead of fpgui for example?
10:55.25Manuthe widgets are too different
10:56.24Manuand you are going msegui only to draw the lazarus widgets right?
10:56.31domingoadwe can link to msegui/mseide applications
10:56.31Manuare going to use*
10:56.58domingoadmseide has form inheritance and a good IDE too
10:57.19Manuand a rich widgets set
10:57.27Manuthat lazarus lacks
10:57.51domingoadI don't say that, I say that they are different
10:58.41domingoadImagine if we can use lazreport/powerpdf in our msegui applications
10:58.50domingoadfor the end users
10:59.34domingoadand any other package ported to lazarus may be availlable to be used by msegui
10:59.41Manuactually I can use powerpdf in msegui ;)
10:59.48Manubut not the form designer
11:00.00Manuthe widgets I mean
11:00.13domingoadhow do you use it ?
11:00.23Manudomingoad: importing the required units
11:01.12domingoaddo you have a sample of it ?
11:01.24Manuyes I guess
11:01.31Manulet me search for it
11:02.25Manudomingoad: found it
11:02.36Manuit generates a basic report
11:03.08Manubased in the powerpdf raw report example
11:04.42Manudomingoad: check your email
11:04.57domingoadI'm going there !
11:05.00Manuwas a test I tried 1 year ago IIRC
11:05.03Manuor more
11:05.08Manulonger I mean
11:05.45Manuyou can modify it easy to use your custom query ;)
11:07.02Manudomingoad: roing reports in code is a trivial task ;)
11:07.11Manuand one you have defined a report you can reuse the code :)
11:08.01ManuI added extra procedures to the powerpdf example, like justify right and center text
11:08.05domingoada pelo, pelo !
11:09.04Manudomingoad: si
11:09.15domingoadfor simple lists it's ok but if we need a good looking presentation it's a bit mad !
11:09.17Manupero puedes crear una clase especializada para cada tipo de informe
11:09.44Manudomingoad: I did with delphi using raw reports very complex reports ;)
11:09.50Manulike for bills, orders...
11:09.58Manuand it's really easy
11:10.12Manuand powerful, you aren't limited by the report tool :-p
11:10.50domingoadmore or less the same you did when creating procedures to easy the usage, can be done creating a tpdfcanvas descendent of tcanvas and use treport with it
11:11.42Manutpdfcanvas with powerpdf?
11:12.02domingoadHave you seen my sugestion/beg of a simple interface to treport in code ?
11:12.14ManuI think so
11:12.21domingoadyes, allmost all work is alread done
11:12.50domingoadis a question of mappin the functions of tcanvas on top of powerpdf
11:13.00Manuyes
11:13.20Manuusing tcanvas interface
11:13.33domingoadDo you want to try it betwen you an me ?
11:13.35Manuand creating the required procedures/functions
11:14.05Manudomingoad: there is still some work to do in powerpdf ;)
11:14.19domingoadlike what ?
11:14.25Manuit only use Latin-1 IIRC so you can generate some chars
11:14.30Manulike euro symbol
11:14.53Manuyou can not*
11:16.19domingoadand why we call ourselves programmers sometimes ?
11:16.34Manudomingoad: :-p
11:16.42ManuI know it can be implemented but requires some effort
11:16.47Manuand the problem is the time ;)
11:17.00ManuI do this things at spare time and my spare time is not so much :)
11:17.30Manuanother thing is the license domingoad
11:17.57ManuI have heard powerpdf is lgpl but in the docs it says gpl
11:18.03ManuAFAIK
11:18.04domingoadmy idea was to let's say to try spend 1 hour on it to feel how much we can achieve and have a better idea of the difficulties, after that we can decide to continue or abandon the idea
11:18.52Manuand the guy who did powerpdf dropped it out and wrote lib-haru
11:18.56Manua c++ implementation
11:19.00Manuand it looks abandoned too
11:19.39Manudomingoad: once I thought in creating my own pdf library
11:19.39domingoadnothing is new, everything is a modifiec copy of other something
11:19.41Manu;)
11:20.22Manualso powerpdf use the standard pdf fonts
11:20.44Manuno support for external fonts IIRC
11:21.04domingoadforget it, "Who want's something find a way, who don't a excuse !"
11:21.32domingoadDon't get offended please, it's a sying I hear some years ago and I like it
11:21.58domingoadsaying
11:22.40Manua say :)
11:23.34domingoadthanks for the correction
11:23.48Manunp :)
11:24.06Manudon't worry, no offense :)
11:24.29Manudomingoad: have you read martin's response to you? :-p
11:26.18domingoadyes, I'll try make it myself
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17:38.17domingoadHello !
17:58.41Manuhi
18:00.12Manudomingoad: just have seen your second email :)
18:02.50domingoadI've sent to the newsgroup too
18:03.23domingoadit's lacking scroll while we are typeing
18:03.53domingoadif you want to implement that
18:04.54Manumouse scroll, key scroll?
18:05.09domingoadthat is there
18:05.31Manuwhat scroll do you mean?
18:05.35domingoadI mean wile er are typing it scrolls to the nearest name
18:05.45domingoadwhile we are
18:05.45Manuah
18:06.13Manufiltering eveytime you type in
18:06.28domingoadbut if we press ctrl+space again it actualize
18:07.16Manuprobably we must add a flag.. turned it true when you press ctrl+space
18:07.23Manuand off when you close the autocompletion
18:07.40Manuthen if true, it can autoload it ;)
18:07.56domingoadwell, how do you see it now ?
18:07.58Manuor perform the filter
18:08.14Manudo see what? :)
18:08.34Manuin general? :)
18:08.52domingoadyes
18:09.04Manulet's wait for martin's response ;)
18:09.09ManuI see it fine
18:09.38domingoaddon't worry about that, improce it and he will add to svn
18:10.09domingoadhttp://www.laopiniondemalaga.es/secciones/noticia.jsp?pRef=2008082200_11_200460__Luces-de-Malaga-Hola-busco-novia
18:10.12domingoadmira eso
18:10.21Manuinstead of the status flag we can check if the class is not nil
18:10.26Manu(the class with the hints)
18:10.58Manudomingoad: you? :)
18:11.10domingoadyes !
18:11.25Manuyou are crazy ;) but looks cool
18:12.04Manuwho knows.. if you'll know your 'media naranja' :)
18:12.24Manudomingoad: some took a ticket ;)
18:12.32domingoadFor sure I'll do !
18:12.58Manu25 girls.. wow
18:13.08Manuyou have made your own reallity show :)
18:13.15Manuyou don't need tv ;)
18:13.18domingoadbut only to have a cofee
18:13.31domingoadyes I did
18:13.40Manudomingoad: of course, it's the first step to know them
18:14.09domingoadpeople are calling me form Uruguay and Colombia to make an interview by phone
18:14.18domingoadfrom
18:14.21Manuwow, but too far
18:14.27Manuno? :)
18:14.32domingoadlook in internet
18:14.52domingoadyes but that is only for talk about the idea
18:15.17Manuah
18:15.23Manuit's original :)
18:16.08domingoadit seems to be, one year ago the tv and radio talked about it too
18:19.59Manuabout the code.. now I'm busy, but tomorrow morning I'll try it :)
18:20.09Manumusn't be difficult at all
18:20.18ManuI almost have the idea ;)
18:21.01domingoadok, you are carrying the olimpic fire now !
18:38.09Manudomingoad: :)
19:03.25domingoaddime
19:10.12ManuI did put a smile to your last sentence :)
19:11.42domingoadok !
19:12.10ManuI was assisting to my student :)
19:12.33domingoadAnd how are he/she doing ?
19:12.47Manuhe
19:12.51Manuhe is doing fine
19:13.00Manuhe is working in a bzflag world generator
19:13.30domingoadAnd how is the world he's making ?
19:13.39Manunot the world, the generator
19:13.55domingoadI'm kiding ! :-D
19:14.11Manuit generates maps/worlds where to play
19:14.33Manuwith builds and such things :)
19:20.01Manudomingoad: here you can see an example (it's the web page of my student)
19:20.05Manuhttp://bzflag.chaosforge.org/
19:20.56Manuand here are the projects we have for the GSoC http://my.bzflag.org/w/Main_Page
19:22.59domingoadtiene buena pinta las vistas de la ciudad, muy limpia, no hay cerditos por allí, verdad ?
19:24.29Manucerditos en la ciudad? :)
19:25.21domingoadlos que van tirando colillas, papelitos, cartones de pizza, latas de cerveza, botellas, ...
19:25.56domingoadgrafits, ...
19:27.58Manu:)
19:28.03Manusolo hay tanques :)
19:28.28domingoadno se lo que es peor !
19:28.49Manuson tanques ecologicos :-p
19:28.52Manuno ensucian
19:29.17Manudomingoad: no es un juego violento.. no hay sangre ni nada ;)
19:29.47Manuhay varias modalidades de juego, pero se trata de capturar la bandera de la base enemiga y llevarla a tu base
19:31.18domingoadsi lo dices tu que lo gobernas ! Te lo creo ! O:-)
19:31.37Manues mas estrategia y habilidad para pilotar tu tanque :)
19:31.55Manuademas se puede chatear mientras se juega :)
19:32.03domingoades un paso previo para sacar el carne de mobilete ?
20:04.24domingoadhttp://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Roadmap#Status_of_features_on_each_widgetset
20:07.41Manudomingoad: have you added it? :)
20:10.49domingoadyes
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21:56.39domingoadsorry ?
21:57.30fpcfanI put the target to post 1.0, a lazarus 1.0 release doesn't depend on it
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22:59.30domingoadHello Manu are you still there ?
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