| 14:29.35 | *** join/#mseide Paul_Ishenin (n=Miranda@pif1.memphis-net.ru) |
| 14:30.13 | Paul_Ishenin | fpcfan, what are you doint here :)) |
| 14:30.26 | Paul_Ishenin | doing* |
| 14:42.21 | fpcfan | keeping an eye on the competitors |
| 14:42.54 | fpcfan | you haven't noticed my postings to the mse* newgroup yet? |
| 14:43.29 | Paul_Ishenin | sorry, I dont substribed to it :) |
| 14:43.45 | Paul_Ishenin | is it possible to read it w/o subsctription? |
| 14:45.57 | Paul_Ishenin | btw, I dont think mse is competitor |
| 14:46.00 | Manu | fpcfan: we aren't competitors ;) |
| 14:46.42 | Paul_Ishenin | I think he joked :) |
| 14:47.01 | Manu | :) |
| 14:47.58 | fpcfan | :-) |
| 14:48.58 | fpcfan | I think we are competitors in one way, but we need each other to make the fpc community bigger |
| 14:49.49 | Manu | we don't try to become delphi ;) |
| 14:50.42 | Manu | about FPC RAD yes, we are competitors |
| 15:05.26 | Paul_Ishenin | I think even more - we need codegear to make pascal community bigger |
| 15:06.02 | Paul_Ishenin | maybe some kind of cooperation can come in future |
| 15:16.50 | fpcfan | I wonder why people whould use Delphi, if they didn't use Delphi before |
| 15:17.24 | fpcfan | IOW, how does Codegear make the pascal community bigger |
| 15:17.30 | fpcfan | ? |
| 15:21.28 | Manu | Paul_Ishenin: I don't think so |
| 15:22.11 | Manu | and I difference in bigger for quality and quantity ;) |
| 15:22.31 | Paul_Ishenin | fpcfan, serious thirms (IOW corporations) will not use free software. They need good support |
| 15:23.19 | Paul_Ishenin | fpc,lazarus,mse can attract individuals and some small organizations |
| 15:23.33 | Manu | that's true for now |
| 15:24.20 | Manu | but if a lot of small organizations use fpc then probably new support companies will born to give them support |
| 15:24.27 | Paul_Ishenin | I dont think antipathy to free software will gone |
| 15:24.56 | Manu | antipathy? |
| 15:24.57 | Paul_Ishenin | why we need new support companies if we already have big pascal supporter |
| 15:25.11 | Manu | codegear? |
| 15:25.15 | Paul_Ishenin | yep |
| 15:25.22 | Manu | who trust them? ;) |
| 15:26.00 | Paul_Ishenin | russian goverment for example |
| 15:26.28 | Paul_Ishenin | they will pay 100 mln $ for delphi |
| 15:26.34 | Manu | heh |
| 15:27.38 | fpcfan | who wouldn't stop trusting CodeGear, when they get paid by the Russian gouverment ;-) |
| 15:27.46 | Manu | I used Delphi for long.. from Delphi 1 to Delphi 4 (professional) |
| 15:28.29 | Paul_Ishenin | I still dont see oportunity to switch my projects from delphi to freepascal/lazarus |
| 15:29.14 | Manu | what kind of projects? |
| 15:29.16 | Paul_Ishenin | informational systems |
| 15:29.59 | Manu | well lazarus is still beta IIRC |
| 15:30.03 | Paul_Ishenin | 1) gather medical statistics 2) olap analysys 3) some kind of data warehouse |
| 15:30.20 | Paul_Ishenin | all of them with reach user interface |
| 15:30.40 | Paul_Ishenin | with some big third-party component sets like devexpress |
| 15:30.53 | Paul_Ishenin | with use of* |
| 15:31.11 | fpcfan | what is the problem? what needs to be fixed, implemented? |
| 15:31.54 | Manu | Probably Paul_Ishenin wants to compile their projects using Lazarus for example |
| 15:31.59 | Manu | for a softly migration |
| 15:32.01 | Paul_Ishenin | well, who will port dev-express or teechart? |
| 15:32.36 | Paul_Ishenin | my second work is FastReports co. |
| 15:32.56 | Paul_Ishenin | their at free time I am porting our components for fpc/laz |
| 15:33.04 | Paul_Ishenin | there* |
| 15:33.07 | Manu | Paul_Ishenin: I dropped my Delphi applications and I'm developing now using MSE |
| 15:33.18 | Manu | so I have not such of problems :) |
| 15:34.32 | Paul_Ishenin | I can drop our applications only when I leave company or rewrite everything for web |
| 15:36.01 | Paul_Ishenin | so at least third-party vendors need some pascal supporter. and they are trust codegear now |