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00:18.17tlarsen_vmdurin42: Does hgsubversion work with https connections to the SVN repo?
00:19.14tlarsen_vmdurin42: 'hg svnclone' appears to have worked over SSL, but I'm not getting any new revisions using 'hg svn pull'.
00:19.27tlarsen_vmdurin42: Also, it asks me to authenticate every time.
00:35.21dmitrig01waves to tlarsen|afk
01:43.30tlarsendmitrig01: Hello, Dmitri!
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06:43.53dmitrig01I am (temporarily) leaving the Drupal project for Melange.
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15:42.17dmitrig01|afkHey all
15:42.31dmitrig01|afki have about 5 hours free right now - anything you want me to do?
16:11.59dmitrig01Major lack of suckage in HTMLbox
16:43.37Jeff_Sdmitrig01: what was that about you can't find the upstream site for htmlbox?  Is it being actively maintained?
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16:51.05dmitrig01Jeff_S: i don't know
16:51.08dmitrig01solydzajs: hi
16:51.15solydzajsdmitrig01: hi there
16:51.17dmitrig01Jeff_S: remiya sysems or something
16:51.36solydzajsdmitrig01: I'm writing mail about this tooltips issue right now :-)
16:51.38dmitrig01solydzajs: could you explain how I commit modifications to CSS an JavaScript files
16:51.39dmitrig01?
16:52.14dmitrig01solydzajs: also http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=117
16:52.16tpb<http://ln-s.net/2RzO> (at code.google.com)
16:52.52Jeff_Sdmitrig01: my point is, we know is being used by many people and is actively maintained.  If we can't even reach the upstream site for htmlbox, that worries me
16:53.12Jeff_Snot even reach, but it seems to be gone
16:53.31dmitrig01Jeff_S: what worries you?
16:53.32solydzajsdmitrig01: 117 is totally fine with me, we just didn't have time yet for that
16:53.35dmitrig01Jeff_S: do you mean in case of maintenence
16:53.40dmitrig01solydzajs: ah ok
16:53.54Jeff_Sdmitrig01: yes
16:54.25solydzajsdmitrig01: you want to commit new CSS files or modify soc.css ?
16:54.33dmitrig01solydzajs: modify soc.css and menu.js
16:55.37solydzajssolydzajs: modify whatever you need and change the file name to include todays date (svn mv)
16:56.20dmitrig01ok
17:00.14solydzajsdmitrig01: I just sent email regarding tooltips problem
17:00.18solydzajsdmitrig01: let me know what you think
17:00.24solydzajsdmitrig01: screenshot is attached
17:00.36dmitrig01solydzajs: yeah, i got that problem too
17:00.38dmitrig01solydzajs: i have no idea
17:00.53dmitrig01solydzajs: because I didn't write the tooltip code :D I will investigate other libraries
17:01.29dmitrig01solydzajs: what do you think about clickable area for tabs?
17:01.41solydzajsdmitrig01: ok so we either get rid of tooltip code at all or replace it with something else.
17:01.47dmitrig01solydzajs: replace it
17:01.54dmitrig01solydzajs: but what about clickable area for tabs?
17:02.48solydzajsdmitrig01: what about it ? we don't have tabs yet
17:02.57dmitrig01solydzajs: sorry not tabs
17:02.59dmitrig01solydzajs: menu
17:04.18solydzajsdmitrig01: I'm replying on the list right now, one sec
17:06.32solydzajssolydzajs: sent
17:09.19dmitrig01solydzajs: svn up and tell me what you think
17:09.46solydzajsdmitrig01: works nice :-) thx
17:14.43dmitrig01solydzajs: would you mind teaching me how to make forms look different?
17:16.27solydzajsdmitrig01: I'm working on it right now. I'm working on as_table
17:16.33dmitrig01solydzajs: cool
17:16.37solydzajsdmitrig01: what would you like to know ?:-)
17:17.33dmitrig01for example in docs/edit I want partial path and link name to be next to each other with a / separating them
17:17.44dmitrig01solydzajs: instead of having two separate fields
17:19.01dmitrig01solydzajs: so what's the commit process for melange?
17:20.01solydzajsdmitrig01: ah yep so basically you cannot use as_table for that and you need to create customized template and use template tag helper or maybe even create new template tag.
17:20.30dmitrig01that flew 100 miles over my head
17:21.02solydzajsdmitrig01: right now review after commit, but if you are not sure of something you can post a patch to codereview tool we use for review before commit.
17:21.24dmitrig01solydzajs: review after commit as in?
17:22.30solydzajsdmitrig01: as in, you commit stuff to repository and we use build in code.google.com review features to review code in some revisions. Did you use review features of code.google.com already ?
17:22.39dmitrig01no
17:25.34solydzajshttp://solydzajs.wordpress.com/2008/07/28/google-project-hosting-now-support-code-reviews/
17:25.35tpb<http://ln-s.net/2Rzs> (at solydzajs.wordpress.com)
17:27.34dmitrig01reads
17:37.02dmitrig01solydzajs: Drupal doesn't use HTMLBox - Drupal is full of 3rd plugins, and HTMLBox is one of them, that's how I found it.
17:38.08solydzajsdmitrig01: yep but Drupal uses HTMLBox I ment, they have plugin for it too ;-)
17:38.17dmitrig01solydzajs: :D they have a tinymce plugin too
17:38.23solydzajsdmitrig01: yep I know :-)
17:38.33dmitrig01well I just want you to consider it
17:38.35dmitrig01204K
17:38.38dmitrig01vs 8M
17:38.44dmitrig01Less server strain
17:38.47solydzajsdmitrig01: since TinyMCE is more popular than HTMLBox I guess TinyMCE was first :-)
17:38.48dmitrig01less client strain
17:38.52dmitrig01no fancy build scripts
17:39.45solydzajsdmitrig01: sounds good :-) like I said we can do it, it's fine with me, but we have more important stuff right now. and HTMLBox is "nice-to-have". Let's wait for some more comments ok ?;-)
17:39.53dmitrig01solydzajs: ok
17:39.56dmitrig01solydzajs: what do you want me to do?
17:39.59solydzajsdmitrig01: thx
17:44.39solydzajsdmitrig01: what we will need soon in Role profile is Google Maps, basically when you apply for some Role (Student,Mentor, Org admin) whatever you need to fill in the profile. You can have a look at Person model for information that are required in profile. One of the fields there latitude and longitude. What we would like to have is embedded gmaps and if you point out your location it fills in hidden lat/lon fields and also prepopulate
17:44.48solydzajsdmitrig01: what do you think about this task ?
17:45.21dmitrig01google maps scare me but ok
17:45.47solydzajsdmitrig01: currently some basic Person profile is used in Create Host view, but it's not working correctly yet
17:46.00solydzajsdmitrig01: always something new to learn :-)
17:46.07solydzajsdmitrig01: learning new stuff is good :-)
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21:32.05dmitrig01SRabbelier: ping?
21:36.45Lenniehe's away from home
21:36.55Lennieatleast that's the last thing he told me :D
21:37.51Lenniedmitrig01 : ^^
21:38.05Lennienn
21:38.08dmitrig01Lennie: ok
22:01.29SRabbelierdmitrig01: pong
22:01.37dmitrig01SRabbelier: brb
22:01.44SRabbelierdmitrig01: sure :)
22:07.44dmitrig01SRabbelier: what needs doing
22:07.56SRabbelierdmitrig01: I like your +/- fix thingy :D
22:08.04dmitrig01SRabbelier: what do you want me to do now :D
22:08.30SRabbelierdmitrig01: mhhh, do you know how those fancy-pancy tables work that sort themselves when you click an arrow at the top?
22:08.37dmitrig01yeah
22:08.44SRabbelierdmitrig01: you do? :D
22:08.45dmitrig01SRabbelier: it'd be pantsy., but yeah?
22:08.52SRabbelierdmitrig01: pantsy? :P
22:08.59dmitrig01as in "like pants"
22:09.01dmitrig01:D
22:09.37dmitrig01SRabbelier: thing is
22:09.37SRabbelierdmitrig01: lol, but how is code like pants? :P
22:09.43dmitrig01SRabbelier: some of those sort server-side
22:09.49SRabbeliernods
22:09.50dmitrig01SRabbelier: if you have 20 items
22:09.56dmitrig01SRabbelier: and you're only showing 10
22:09.59dmitrig01SRabbelier: you need to sort server-side
22:10.04SRabbelieryeah, obviosuly -nods-
22:10.13dmitrig01SRabbelier: we need an AJAX system
22:10.20dmitrig01SRabbelier: which I'm not capable of programming in python
22:10.36SRabbelierhehe, do we really need that though?
22:10.37dmitrig01however... if you can code the backend i'll code the frontend to it
22:10.53SRabbelierdmitrig01: what kind of code is needed?
22:11.15dmitrig01SRabbelier: well here's what would be really neat
22:11.38dmitrig01SRabbelier: you request a page
22:11.56dmitrig01SRabbelier: say user/list
22:12.01SRabbelierdmitrig01: right :)
22:12.12dmitrig01SRabbelier: but you send a certain header
22:12.46SRabbelierdmitrig01: what kind of header?
22:12.58dmitrig01http header
22:12.59dmitrig01request header
22:13.13dmitrig01e.g. X-Requested-With: XMLHttpRequest
22:13.29SRabbelierdmitrig01: mhh, ok?
22:13.40dmitrig01SRabbelier: and then it sends back something appropriate
22:14.00dmitrig01SRabbelier: for example in the case of user list and X-Requested-With: XMLHttpRequest (which means a request from javascript), then it sends back just the <table>
22:15.07SRabbelierdmitrig01: ooooh, like that; instead of the entire page?
22:15.07dmitrig01SRabbelier: yes
22:15.11dmitrig01SRabbelier: so you jsut send the correct GET query string
22:15.17dmitrig01SRabbelier: e.g. &sort=name
22:15.21dmitrig01SRabbelier: and it generates the normal page
22:15.25SRabbelierdmitrig01: mhhh, but we are using DJango
22:15.25dmitrig01SRabbelier: except without all the extra stuff
22:15.36SRabbelierdmitrig01: I don't know it supports stuff like that
22:15.44dmitrig01yeah
22:15.47dmitrig01that's why I can't code it
22:16.38SRabbelierdmitrig01: ok, but it can be done without that though; it just means that you get the entire page again, instead of just the table
22:16.53dmitrig01yes, but that defeats the poin
22:19.27dmitrig01SRabbelier: if you do it like that there's no point in using javascript in the first place
22:20.09SRabbelierdmitrig01: this is true
22:20.15SRabbelierthen it's just a link on top of the table
22:20.26dmitrig01SRabbelier: however, if you can code the sorting thingie
22:20.29dmitrig01SRabbelier: then that's a huge start
22:20.38SRabbelierdmitrig01: ok, so what is it called that you need from the server side?
22:20.52SRabbelierdmitrig01: something like 'partial html' or something?
22:21.11dmitrig01SRabbelier: I'm not relaly sure if it has a name
22:21.13dmitrig01SRabbelier: are you searching?
22:21.29SRabbelierdmitrig01: gonna ask on #django
22:21.34dmitrig01SRabbelier: I'll ask
22:22.03SRabbelierdmitrig01: awesome
22:33.14SRabbelierdmitrig01: seems like there's nobody home :)
22:33.29dmitrig01Is there a django forum somewhere
22:33.29SRabbelierdmitrig01: will you try and ask around later on?
22:33.31dmitrig01or mailing list?
22:33.36SRabbelierdmitrig01: I'm sure there's a ML
22:33.59SRabbelierdmitrig01: http://www.djangoproject.com/community/
22:33.59tpbTitle: Django | Community (at www.djangoproject.com)
22:34.01SRabbelierdmitrig01: at the right
22:34.33dmitrig01SRabbelier: are you subscribed?
22:34.40SRabbelierdmitrig01: nope
22:34.44dmitrig01ugh
22:34.47dmitrig01i don't wnat to subscribe
22:34.48SRabbelierdmitrig01: hehe
22:34.52SRabbelierdmitrig01: you have to?
22:34.55dmitrig01can you ask 'How do I send a piece of the HTML generated on a page back to the user - in this case I'm doing AHAH, so I only want the part of the page that needs to be reloaded"
22:36.01SRabbelierdmitrig01: ask it where?
22:36.05dmitrig01SRabbelier: on the ml
22:36.35SRabbelierdmitrig01: sure, I'll do it later on and get back to you :)
22:36.44dmitrig01cool
22:36.46dmitrig01thanks
22:36.48dmitrig01Anything else
22:36.50dmitrig01?
22:36.54SRabbelierdmitrig01: the real question is, can we send imporperly formatted HTML pages back with Django
22:37.01SRabbelierdmitrig01: cos we could just define a template AHAH-response.html
22:37.20dmitrig01try it
22:37.25dmitrig01and only display the body block
22:37.59SRabbelierdmitrig01: will do
22:38.27dmitrig01thx
22:48.30SRabbelierdmitrig01: looks like we can :)
22:48.37dmitrig01SRabbelier: awesome
22:48.41SRabbelierdmitrig01: I commented out everything till <bodYU>
22:49.06SRabbelierdmitrig01: and it just gave that part
22:49.17SRabbelierdmitrig01: you can even use django stuff
22:49.22SRabbelierdmitrig01: so have it fill in variables etc.
22:49.25SRabbelierdmitrig01: (or a header)
22:51.24dmitrig01SRabbelier: well usually it renders a piece of the page
22:51.29SRabbelierdmitrig01: -nod-
22:51.36dmitrig01SRabbelier: can you figure out what to render based on the header?
22:51.47SRabbelierdmitrig01: sure
22:51.50SRabbelierdmitrig01: we get the header in the code
22:51.56dmitrig01SRabbelier: create some sort of helper that you can go to and ask "hi is this javascript requesting the page"
22:51.57SRabbelierdmitrig01: we can decide which template to use based on that
22:52.06SRabbelierdmitrig01: -nod-, sure :)
22:52.09dmitrig01could you code it?
22:52.37SRabbelierdmitrig01: easy :)
22:52.46SRabbelierdmitrig01: specially cos we can create a template that uses our partial template
22:53.14SRabbelierdmitrig01: so that when the user is requesting the page for the first time
22:53.19SRabbelierdmitrig01: we can give them the full page
22:53.52dmitrig01do it please!
22:53.55SRabbelierdmitrig01: np :)
22:54.03SRabbelierdmitrig01: if you can add the code to have the javascript give a special header
22:54.11dmitrig01SRabbelier: done!
22:54.14dmitrig01SRabbelier: comitted!
22:54.15SRabbelierdmitrig01: hehe
22:54.18SRabbelierdmitrig01: really? :)
22:54.21dmitrig01(It's included w/ jquery)
22:54.25SRabbelierdmitrig01: hehehe, nice :D
22:54.33SRabbelierok so what do I check for?
22:56.57dmitrig01X-Requested-With: XMLHttpRequest
22:57.34SRabbelierdmitrig01: ok, so what do I give back if I get that?
22:57.59dmitrig01SRabbelier: a partial page
22:58.22SRabbelierdmitrig01: sure, but what part of it :P
22:58.35dmitrig01well, depends on the page at hand
22:58.40dmitrig01in the case of the user list, the table
22:58.46SRabbelierdmitrig01: right -nod-
23:02.33SRabbelierdmitrig01: so will you add the javascript that will deal with just a partial page?
23:02.45dmitrig01SRabbelier: yes
23:03.10SRabbelierdmitrig01: ok, sweet :)
23:03.26SRabbelierdmitrig01: we can start with just the partial resposne
23:03.32SRabbelierdmitrig01: and not sort or anythign
23:04.17dmitrig01yep
23:04.21SRabbelierdmitrig01: if we got that down we can try having it sort :)
23:04.27dmitrig01SRabbelier: yep
23:04.38SRabbelierdmitrig01: can you write the javascript part
23:04.41dmitrig01SRabbelier: actually it'd be easier to do both, because you can test one with the other
23:04.47SRabbelierdmitrig01: and then just deal when the server doesn't give a partial page?
23:04.50dmitrig01SRabbelier: it'd be on a more specif basis
23:04.59SRabbelierdmitrig01: aah, that's true
23:05.00dmitrig01SRabbelier: but really it's like 3-5 liens of code
23:05.09dmitrig01SRabbelier: also they can be developed separately
23:05.13dmitrig01SRabbelier: it should degrade
23:05.28SRabbelierdmitrig01: degrade?
23:05.35dmitrig01SRabbelier: work w/o JS
23:05.53SRabbelierdmitrig01: -nod-
23:06.09SRabbelierdmitrig01: but then it should just send the full page, yes?
23:06.21dmitrig01SRabbelier: yes
23:06.26dmitrig01SRabbelier: here's how I envision it
23:06.32SRabbelierdmitrig01: -nod-
23:06.39dmitrig01you go to http://localhost:8080/user/list?sort=email&dir=asc
23:06.46dmitrig01(sort by email in the ascending direction)
23:06.54dmitrig01it shows you the full page
23:07.06dmitrig01if, however, jquery requests that page, and sends the header, then it just shows the table
23:07.28SRabbelierdmitrig01: -nodnod-, awesome :)
23:07.34SRabbelierdmitrig01: makes sense, and would be really sweet :)
23:07.48SRabbelierdmitrig01: I will start on this once I have the user refactoring done
23:07.54SRabbelierdmitrig01: (hopefully tomorrow)
23:08.45dmitrig01SRabbelier: what user refactoring?
23:08.52dmitrig01SRabbelier: also, hopefully it would work like this
23:08.55SRabbelierdmitrig01: I'm refactoring the User view to use the generic code
23:08.59dmitrig01Cool
23:09.08dmitrig011. Create the table based on the parameters
23:09.12dmitrig012. Render the table
23:09.23dmitrig013. Either show it in a page or by itself depending on the caller
23:10.05SRabbelierdmitrig01: yup, -nod-
23:13.05SRabbelierdmitrig01: ok, so what other things can you help us with? :)
23:13.17dmitrig01you tell me
23:13.25SRabbelierdmitrig01: I don't know what there is out there ;)
23:17.14SRabbelieraway
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23:36.21SRabbelierlh: tsssk
23:36.26SRabbelierlh: you should be enjoying your vacation!
23:36.33SRabbelierushers lh out
23:36.46lhSRabbelier: i am enjoying my vacation
23:36.49lhit's quite nice here
23:38.21SRabbelierlh: awesome ^__^
23:38.24SRabbelierlh: what you been upto there?
23:40.02lhSRabbelier: touring washington dc
23:40.07lhfeeling the love
23:40.09lhi dig it
23:40.25SRabbelierlh: awesome ^__^
23:40.35SRabbelierlh: what is it like?
23:41.43lhbeautiful
23:41.53SRabbelierlh: cool, somewhere you'd wnat to live? :)
23:41.56lhthe pulse of what america was supposed to be lives in the monuments and museums here
23:41.59lhSRabbelier: thinking about it
23:42.06SRabbelierlh: cool! :)
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