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| 15:36.13 | DocScrutinizer | fail2ban? |
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| 15:44.30 | Myrtti | DocScrutinizer: it's a service that monitors different server logs to determine if there is, for example, brute force attack going on, and blocks ip addresses as needed for some time |
| 15:45.46 | DocScrutinizer | sounds useful |
| 15:46.16 | DocScrutinizer | binary? daemon? or some plugin or whatever? |
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| 15:52.28 | Myrtti | DocScrutinizer: python daemon |
| 15:52.38 | DocScrutinizer | cool |
| 15:52.39 | DocScrutinizer | thanks |
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| 15:54.10 | DocScrutinizer | moved my port 22 far away to nnnnn and never seen any brute force attacks. But pop3 etc gets tackled all the time |
| 15:55.16 | DocScrutinizer | >>saslauthd[2365]: pam_unix(pop:auth): check pass; user unknown<< :-/ |
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| 16:22.24 | Alison_Chaiken | Anyone here using N950 or N9 on T-mobile's HSPA+? I'm sorely tempted to pop for one, but was curious to hear if network performance of both is similar. Looks like new units can be had for about $300 in aftermarket. |
| 16:24.42 | blauzahl | HSPA+? |
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| 16:51.12 | Alison_Chaiken | HSPA+ is fast 3G: 10's of MB up and down often here in the Bay Area, and relatively cheap. |
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| 16:57.14 | hadi | thanks |
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| 17:24.48 | TSCHAKeee | Alison_Chaiken: I am using N950 on T-Mobile's 3.5G just fine. |
| 17:25.56 | SpeedEvil | Me oo (in he UK) |
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| 17:43.10 | Alison_Chaiken | Thanks, TSCHAKeee. I think I'll pick one up: would still prefer the HW keyboard. |
| 17:43.24 | TSCHAKeee | I haven't needed it |
| 17:43.28 | TSCHAKeee | seriously. |
| 17:44.05 | Stskeeps | i am actually mostly using the OSK, it is really nice |
| 17:44.39 | DocScrutinizer | except for the huge part of screen it covers |
| 17:45.15 | DocScrutinizer | also you don't really want to use it in semi-blind 2-thumbs typing mode |
| 17:45.31 | Stskeeps | that's true, but it also cures irc addiction |
| 17:45.32 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:45.41 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 17:46.04 | dm8tbr | Stskeeps: until you install the hqh terminal ;) |
| 17:46.33 | TSCHAKeee | is still trying to get a 64GB model from expansys |
| 17:46.37 | TSCHAKeee | "still not in stock" |
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| 17:47.03 | dm8tbr | http://hqh.unlink.org/harmattan/ this thing is really cool |
| 17:50.16 | TSCHAKeee | oh YUCK |
| 17:50.21 | TSCHAKeee | seriously |
| 17:50.26 | TSCHAKeee | terrible UI design |
| 17:50.54 | TSCHAKeee | ghosted keyboards never work well, because you CAN'T READ WHAT IS UNDERNEATH. |
| 17:51.53 | TSCHAKeee | but also, the non staggered keys make finding keystrokes slower. |
| 17:54.18 | DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: oh my, in former times we called that literki |
| 17:56.23 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Literki |
| 17:57.29 | DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/%23harmattan.2011-10-16.log.html#t2011-10-16T18:30:29 |
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| 17:58.42 | TSCHAKeee | and that's even worse |
| 17:59.11 | DocScrutinizer | worse in what sense? |
| 17:59.45 | TSCHAKeee | you're drawing shapes on what seems to be the same depth. |
| 18:00.03 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, you lost me |
| 18:00.03 | TSCHAKeee | it takes your brain longer to untangle the shapes. |
| 18:00.08 | TSCHAKeee | sigh. |
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| 18:00.31 | TSCHAKeee | go study some cognitive psychology. |
| 18:00.36 | DocScrutinizer | pff |
| 18:00.46 | DocScrutinizer | go study conversation |
| 18:00.51 | berndhs | I haven't tried this type of translucent vkbd, but I find the normal fully obscuring one really bad |
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| 18:01.16 | berndhs | especially in cases, like harmattan, where the application doesn't know if the vkbd is displayed or not |
| 18:01.44 | TSCHAKeee | with Literki, the letters are different colours in that case, but there is nothing to differentiate them from what is the page, and what is the keyboard |
| 18:01.54 | berndhs | so it is really tricky for the application to adjust to the presence/absence of the vkbd |
| 18:02.04 | TSCHAKeee | when you first look at something, your brain immediately starts to try and discern shapes |
| 18:02.07 | DocScrutinizer | literki has a gesture to pop up / hide the vkbd, and a button to cycle colors |
| 18:02.12 | TSCHAKeee | sigh. |
| 18:02.15 | TSCHAKeee | and again |
| 18:02.17 | TSCHAKeee | MISSING THE FUCKING POINT. |
| 18:02.56 | TSCHAKeee | at least, with the first example, there is an attempt to try and make the letters and the key shapes somewhat orthogonal to the text below |
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| 18:03.14 | DocScrutinizer | uhuh |
| 18:03.53 | TSCHAKeee | however, this is nullified by the fact that your brain can't separate the depth of the keyboard with the text below |
| 18:04.11 | TSCHAKeee | it all looks like its smashed together on the same pane of glass |
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| 18:04.26 | DocScrutinizer | I'm more interested in the text below though, than in the writing on "keycaps" which are mostly landmarks for me and could as well be small dots for 95% of keys I have to "find" |
| 18:04.44 | TSCHAKeee | SO..YOUR BRAIN..HAS TO FOCUS BETWEEN THE KEYS AND THE TEXT BELOW |
| 18:04.47 | DocScrutinizer | and I' not at all interested in how it "looks" |
| 18:04.57 | TSCHAKeee | this is a subconscious process |
| 18:05.05 | TSCHAKeee | manifesting in delays in cognition. |
| 18:05.21 | TSCHAKeee | but whatever, I am speaking to people with zero aesthetic and design sense. |
| 18:05.28 | DocScrutinizer | thanks for educating me about my subconcious processes and why I actually shouldn't like what I like |
| 18:05.46 | berndhs | i find keyboards that obscure the application ugly :) |
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| 18:06.11 | TSCHAKeee | and people wonder why open source apps look like shit... |
| 18:06.18 | DocScrutinizer | and again thanks for your atestation about my aesthetic sense, I just told you it has nothing to do with this case, for me at least |
| 18:07.20 | DocScrutinizer | to be utterly explicit: I give a fuck how it looks, I want it to be *useable* |
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| 18:08.23 | CosmoHill | is not happy that it took 25 mins to drive 3 miles |
| 18:08.47 | DocScrutinizer | and - though I usually hate this argument - this time it fits: you don't have to use it |
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| 18:19.11 | pixelgeek1 | CosmoHill: Did you leave the handbrake on? |
| 18:19.37 | berndhs | CosmoHill: at least you made it the 3 miles |
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| 18:22.15 | CosmoHill | there's a road that is a nightmare |
| 18:22.25 | CosmoHill | spent 18 mins or something on that road |
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| 18:24.29 | berndhs | i spent 48 hours getting from DC to Pittsburgh one year |
| 18:24.36 | berndhs | by airplane |
| 18:25.04 | berndhs | and I wan't trying to go to Pittsburgh, i was going to San Diego |
| 18:26.24 | CosmoHill | my parents made it from scotland to home in 12 / 14 hours |
| 18:28.00 | berndhs | wait until the start checking people on the road for security |
| 18:28.23 | berndhs | arrive at your car 2 hours before scheduled departure please |
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| 19:14.35 | CosmoHill | plugs GNUton-BNC into something |
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| 20:10.33 | jedix | crap |
| 20:10.36 | Stskeeps | mm? |
| 20:10.43 | jedix | I fixed one package which triggered 86 to build |
| 20:10.44 | Stskeeps | is this something libEGL related? |
| 20:10.44 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:10.47 | Stskeeps | ah, yeah |
| 20:10.51 | jedix | nope, I fixed it! |
| 20:10.58 | jedix | shines his new and bigger hammer |
| 20:11.34 | jedix | this was gst-streamer-base & video4linux.so no longer being compiled due to the change to 3.0.0 kernel |
| 20:12.00 | jedix | the only thing that doesn't build now is rdsd |
| 20:12.12 | jedix | which is screwed due to the kernel cahnges afaik |
| 20:12.22 | Stskeeps | so you upgraded kernel headers to 3.0.0? |
| 20:12.28 | jedix | yeah |
| 20:13.01 | jedix | as if I had a choice :/ |
| 20:13.05 | Stskeeps | ok, good to know those will screw up :P |
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| 20:16.09 | jedix | yeah, I dunno what to do about the rdsd stuff |
| 20:16.24 | Stskeeps | probably a redefine error |
| 20:16.52 | jedix | actually the videodev.h header has been removed |
| 20:17.19 | Stskeeps | also good |
| 20:17.28 | jedix | who needs that? |
| 20:17.32 | jedix | no one! |
| 20:18.16 | Stskeeps | well, v4l support got dropped for v4lv2 |
| 20:18.42 | jedix | yeah, so I need libv4l-devel I think |
| 20:19.03 | jedix | ..or something |
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| 20:22.50 | jedix | http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger.kernel.org/msg27531.html |
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