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| 02:51.40 | eberbm | alguien habla español? |
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| 08:19.53 | Stskeeps | morning thiago |
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| 09:34.21 | tar-gz | Hi! Meego is is discontinued? |
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| 09:36.43 | SpeedEvil | Somewhat, yes. |
| 09:36.54 | tar-gz | ;-( |
| 09:36.59 | tar-gz | i'm sad now. |
| 09:37.16 | SpeedEvil | There are projects based on the rotting corpse. |
| 09:37.25 | SpeedEvil | I mean source tree. |
| 09:37.49 | SpeedEvil | From mer, to meltemi, to tizen, to meego-ce |
| 09:37.55 | thiago | it's not officially discontinued |
| 09:38.03 | SpeedEvil | Exactly what all of these projects are, and tehir future isn't really clear yet |
| 09:38.04 | tar-gz | I want to install this distro in my netbook. But if this not continued i think i should find other distro |
| 09:38.06 | thiago | but the main backer appears to have moved on |
| 09:38.22 | SpeedEvil | and yes - that - technically meego continues. |
| 09:38.28 | SpeedEvil | As a linux foundation project |
| 09:38.48 | SpeedEvil | But intel having moved on - when they were the main driving force will obviously change things. |
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| 09:39.40 | tar-gz | SpeedEvil: you are user of meego? |
| 09:40.38 | SpeedEvil | I have downloaded a image, but not got round to trying it yet. |
| 09:42.15 | tar-gz | SpeedEvil: i need fast simple and pretty distro. What i can install on my netbook? |
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| 09:42.53 | thiago | MeeGo |
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| 09:51.06 | tar-gz | thiago: but meego don't be continued |
| 09:51.29 | thiago | who said that? |
| 09:52.03 | RST38h | Intel said that |
| 09:52.25 | thiago | they actually didn't |
| 09:52.36 | RST38h | They did. |
| 09:52.39 | thiago | they said they would work on Tizen, that's all |
| 09:52.46 | thiago | that doesn't mean MeeGo must stop |
| 09:52.55 | RST38h | They said that technologies from Meego will be usedi n Tizen |
| 09:52.59 | thiago | yeah |
| 09:53.08 | thiago | MeeGo also uses OpenSUSE technologies |
| 09:53.13 | thiago | does that mean OpenSUSE stopped? |
| 09:53.14 | RST38h | Meego, as it is, is only supported for existing customers |
| 09:53.25 | thiago | could be |
| 09:53.34 | RST38h | Next thing you will ask is about LInux being stopped because Intel just dropped Meego |
| 09:53.38 | thiago | but isn't that what tar-gz needs? support for the existing? |
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| 09:55.43 | thiago | anyway, my point is, even if Intel walks out, it doesn't mean MeeGo must stop |
| 09:55.50 | RST38h | I have no idea what the guy means, but Meego will not be continued |
| 09:56.12 | thiago | there's no directive saying it has to stop |
| 09:56.32 | RST38h | thiago: and that automatically means that it won't? |
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| 09:56.49 | tar-gz | So meego be updated? |
| 09:57.29 | tar-gz | Tizen? Hmmm, that is free and open? |
| 09:57.35 | thiago | for netbooks? that's a good question |
| 09:57.41 | thiago | it was mostly Intel's work |
| 09:57.56 | thiago | but it was also one of the most successful parts of MeeGo, with several devices shipping |
| 10:00.28 | tar-gz | thiago: So meego will be developed or not? And if Tizen can be downloaded free of charge? Is it yet another commercial shit? |
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| 10:01.14 | thiago | tar-gz: sorry, the crystal ball is not working |
| 10:01.43 | thiago | my ability to see into the future is limited. Now, I can barely see my lunch in 30 mins. |
| 10:02.20 | tar-gz | thiago: and you use meego? |
| 10:02.23 | thiago | yes |
| 10:02.49 | tar-gz | and will be using? |
| 10:03.06 | thiago | tar-gz: there's nothing else to change to |
| 10:03.37 | tar-gz | moblin are |
| 10:03.40 | thiago | RST38h: the point is that there's a lot of people interested in continuing. Whether they will succeed or not, only time will tell. |
| 10:03.53 | thiago | tar-gz: moblin is meego |
| 10:03.58 | tar-gz | uhmm |
| 10:04.29 | tar-gz | so i can try ;-) |
| 10:04.42 | thiago | RST38h: you may be right and they may fail. |
| 10:04.56 | thiago | RST38h: but saying right now that MeeGo won't continue is disrespectful of them and their intentions. |
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| 10:06.56 | RST38h | thiago: you can be respectful,I will be realistic |
| 10:07.43 | thiago | RST38h: you can be both |
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| 10:08.06 | thiago | "MeeGo will probably not evolve much after the main backer has moved on" |
| 10:09.10 | thiago | Intel has never said it will stop working on MeeGo. You may assume that is the case, but it's just that: an assumption. |
| 10:09.36 | Venemo | thiago, so what's the full truth? |
| 10:09.58 | thiago | Venemo: I cannot tell you more than what's on the websites. |
| 10:10.11 | thiago | Venemo: so please just read that for yourself and make your own conclusions. |
| 10:10.15 | Venemo | I've read |
| 10:10.22 | thiago | is bound by too many NDAs |
| 10:10.48 | Venemo | thiago, there is one thing I don't understand |
| 10:10.57 | Venemo | if they carry MeeGo's code over to Tizen, why don't they just cancel the MeeGo project and tell us all to move on to there? |
| 10:11.58 | thiago | your guess is as good as mine |
| 10:12.58 | thiago | well, I mean, I might have more information and I'd be able to make a more educated guess... |
| 10:13.15 | thiago | but I can only guess at many things |
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| 10:15.20 | Venemo | thiago, point taken :) |
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| 10:33.35 | annma | the pinetrail one Ans5i |
| 10:34.00 | Ans5i | yep, seems quite old ones that i found |
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| 11:23.54 | Venemo | anyone knows where to grab the properitary bits for the ideapad if I want to try another OS on it? |
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| 11:34.10 | thiago | somewhere in broadcom.com |
| 11:35.31 | Venemo | hmm |
| 11:35.32 | MSM | No thanks |
| 11:35.35 | MSM | Ill pass |
| 11:35.55 | Venemo | and how come that meego is distributing these non-free bits? |
| 11:36.06 | thiago | it isn't |
| 11:36.27 | MSM | It shouldn't be |
| 11:36.42 | Venemo | after installing meego netbook edition, everything on the ideapad works flawlessly. even wireless |
| 11:37.52 | Venemo | how is this possible, unless meego contains the necessary properitary stuff? |
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| 11:44.25 | Dekans | Ubuntu runs fine on the ideapad |
| 11:44.36 | Dekans | It should be the same for any distro |
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| 13:13.54 | niala | hello |
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| 13:27.13 | niala | meego dead 2 times, first by nokia and now by intel ? |
| 13:27.27 | Stskeeps | code lives on |
| 13:27.28 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:27.39 | RST38h | Stskeeps: In Fedora, I assume? |
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| 13:29.45 | Venemo | nope |
| 13:29.53 | Venemo | they'll carry most of MeeGo's code into Tizen |
| 13:30.08 | niala | what about qt ? |
| 13:31.09 | RST38h | Does this mean they will discard all the SLP code from Tizen? |
| 13:31.50 | Venemo | Qt will be there but deemphasised, at least this is how I understand it |
| 13:33.03 | timoph | tizen is so loosely specified that it can be anything |
| 13:33.18 | timoph | literally |
| 13:33.26 | tarantism | Venemo: "Qt will be there" - here's hoping! |
| 13:33.41 | niala | agree with timoph |
| 13:33.48 | Venemo | indeed |
| 13:34.00 | Venemo | and "can be anything" includes your installing Qt |
| 13:34.02 | RST38h | is sure Tizen is ChromeOS |
| 13:34.11 | timoph | :) |
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| 13:35.52 | niala | waste my free time in meego... now will wait for device |
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| 13:36.15 | Venemo | Tizen devices are promised for mid-2012 |
| 13:36.22 | niala | lol |
| 13:36.49 | Stskeeps | RST38h: it's all linux base anyway.. |
| 13:36.50 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:36.57 | Stskeeps | the usual crap(TM) like acl, glibc, etc.. |
| 13:37.15 | RST38h | So, why call it Meego or Tizen? |
| 13:37.38 | Venemo | why does the name matter? |
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| 13:38.05 | timoph | branding and marketing |
| 13:38.14 | Stskeeps | RST38h: meego brand has been dragged quite a fair bit through the mud |
| 13:38.16 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:38.18 | Stskeeps | to be onest |
| 13:38.44 | timoph | yep |
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| 13:41.43 | Venemo | Stskeeps, agreed |
| 13:42.03 | Venemo | also, methinks that this is some kind of revenge from Intel to Nokia :) |
| 13:43.13 | timoph | name matters. otherwise anyone wouldn't mind calling it for example "vista" :p |
| 13:43.39 | Stskeeps | Venemo: well, the timing certainly was, but i would have wanted a clean slate too |
| 13:44.21 | Venemo | Stskeeps, the timing would've been better for the Tizen brand if it coincided with the Tizen device announcements. |
| 13:44.51 | Stskeeps | probably |
| 13:44.56 | Venemo | also, I would have expected a clean EOL for MeeGo, not just "it's still a project, community can carry on, blah-blah" |
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| 13:46.26 | Ans5i | could meego be a normal distro? |
| 13:46.34 | Stskeeps | i wouldn't want it to be |
| 13:46.57 | Termana | not a chance |
| 13:47.09 | timoph | I agree that it shouldn't even try to be one |
| 13:48.31 | timoph | and that fact should've been communicated better from day one |
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| 13:50.19 | CosmoHill | .o/ |
| 13:50.26 | timoph | 'lo |
| 13:50.32 | berndhs | howdy |
| 13:50.55 | niala | hello CosmoHill |
| 13:51.00 | CosmoHill | salut |
| 13:54.07 | Ans5i | what's the status of MeeGo brand anyway, is Intel/Nokia still looking after it? |
| 13:54.16 | Stskeeps | LF's |
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| 13:56.21 | Ans5i | yeah, at least they still have working group. |
| 13:57.23 | niala | html5 mean that all apps will be in 'clouds' ? |
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| 13:59.33 | niala | i hate web application.. |
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| 14:00.51 | chouchoune | niala: no, apps will be on the devices but written using HTML5/Javascript |
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| 14:02.00 | SpeedEvil | No! |
| 14:02.06 | SpeedEvil | Qemu + activex |
| 14:02.35 | javispedro | Google's NaCL ;P |
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| 14:03.27 | Ans5i | i had that enabled when tried qt on chrome |
| 14:06.37 | Ans5i | but i basically understand the html, it's quite easy way write internet enabled application, though i am not big fan of js. |
| 14:06.56 | Ans5i | ..but qt. |
| 14:09.18 | niala | dream |
| 14:09.28 | niala | maybe one day a debianphone..... |
| 14:10.14 | NIN101 | this is not impossible / already reality |
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| 14:10.47 | niala | a |
| 14:16.25 | chouchoune | niala: maybe one day, an open phone |
| 14:16.31 | chouchoune | zould be a better dream |
| 14:16.46 | chouchoune | would* |
| 14:17.02 | SpeedEvil | looks at his open phone. |
| 14:17.31 | chouchoune | SpeedEvil: which is ? |
| 14:17.36 | niala | more likely to have peace in the world or to have a free phone without internal secrets? |
| 14:17.41 | SpeedEvil | chouchoune: openmoko |
| 14:18.04 | chouchoune | mmmhhh yes, there's one, but can you install recent stuff on it ? |
| 14:18.16 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 14:18.20 | SpeedEvil | (In principle) |
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| 14:18.28 | Termana | looks at his open phone |
| 14:18.32 | Termana | It's flipped open |
| 14:18.36 | Termana | ba dum tss |
| 14:19.17 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
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| 14:22.18 | DocScrutinizer | http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10096?sort=4 |
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| 14:32.31 | niala | I will play tropico4, like compagny's play with us |
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| 17:06.20 | tar-gz | Hi! |
| 17:06.29 | tar-gz | How i can minimalize applications? |
| 17:07.05 | tar-gz | now i know |
| 17:07.09 | tar-gz | tkanks guys |
| 17:07.16 | tar-gz | MeeGo is awesome! |
| 17:07.18 | tar-gz | thanks* |
| 17:07.54 | t7^ | :o |
| 17:08.15 | thiago | tar-gz: in the netbook? |
| 17:15.43 | Venemo | tar-gz, patience is a virtue |
| 17:16.22 | Venemo | tar-gz, in MeeGo netbook, press the 'windows key', or just go to the top pixel row with the mouse, and it will show the tabs. but there is no option to 'minimize'. |
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| 18:53.47 | CosmoHill | installs OpenSUSE |
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| 19:05.48 | CosmoHill | hasn't used KDE in years |
| 19:07.04 | timoph | you might notice a few changes then :p |
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| 19:20.06 | Ans5i | i would like to try plasma active, demo looked nice. |
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| 19:30.52 | CosmoHill | timoph: I think it was kubuntu 7.10 :s |
| 19:31.53 | chouchoune | I should maybe give a chance to KDE again |
| 19:32.04 | chouchoune | didn't try it for a long time too |
| 19:32.19 | tar-gz | Can i install something in meego with use terminal? Ubuntu have apt-get, fedora- yum and what have meego? |
| 19:32.21 | CosmoHill | fedora went funny with gnome 3 and my new graphics card |
| 19:32.29 | CosmoHill | tar-gz: zypper |
| 19:32.44 | tar-gz | CosmoHill: meego have zypper? |
| 19:32.44 | chouchoune | mmmhhh, Gnome3 workd well with my computers |
| 19:32.48 | CosmoHill | yes |
| 19:32.52 | tar-gz | awesome! |
| 19:32.58 | chouchoune | Intel integrated for the graohics |
| 19:32.59 | tar-gz | i love this distro! |
| 19:33.00 | CosmoHill | it worked well until I put in my new graphics card |
| 19:33.06 | CosmoHill | then it died a horrible death |
| 19:33.20 | tar-gz | CosmoHill: and meego use *.rpm? |
| 19:33.24 | CosmoHill | yes |
| 19:33.29 | tar-gz | ;-) |
| 19:33.32 | tar-gz | A |
| 19:33.35 | tar-gz | WESOME! |
| 19:33.37 | CosmoHill | any other questions? |
| 19:33.52 | tar-gz | hmmm, what are you from? |
| 19:33.57 | CosmoHill | England |
| 19:34.01 | tar-gz | Beer? |
| 19:34.06 | tar-gz | or Voka? |
| 19:34.07 | CosmoHill | but I did mean related to MeeGo |
| 19:34.09 | tar-gz | Vodka* |
| 19:34.21 | CosmoHill | Cider |
| 19:34.54 | tar-gz | CosmoHill: tell me, have you in england beer: Dog in the fog? |
| 19:35.19 | CosmoHill | no idea, probably |
| 19:35.27 | CosmoHill | i don't drink beer myself |
| 19:36.50 | tar-gz | can i switch zones using keyboard? |
| 19:37.00 | CosmoHill | probably but I don't know how |
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| 19:39.04 | CosmoHill | wow, VLC requires 65 packages on OpenSUSE |
| 19:40.11 | tar-gz | flash works good. Hmmm.. RED TUBE I'M COMING! |
| 19:40.41 | CosmoHill | ewww |
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| 19:47.04 | CosmoHill | sweet, SPDIF passthrough :) |
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| 22:54.49 | Ganymede | I've been told that MeeGo with the stock desktop environment will be easier on the battery than OpenBox? Is that actually true because the stock GUI seems to have fancy OpenGL ES effects. It could be reasonable if doing that stuff of the GPU is actually more efficient than doing that stuff on the CPU... |
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| 22:55.19 | CosmoHill | hey Alison_Chaiken |
| 22:55.30 | CosmoHill | Ganymede: i need to reread that a few times for it to make sense |
| 22:56.09 | Alison_Chaiken | Hey, CosmoHill. Just came back from a funeral for a buddy who got laid off from EBay, then immediately killed himself. |
| 22:56.20 | Alison_Chaiken | Dudes, there is nothing about software projects that |
| 22:56.28 | CosmoHill | oh god |
| 22:56.31 | CosmoHill | *my |
| 22:56.35 | CosmoHill | hugs Alison_Chaiken |
| 22:56.38 | Alison_Chaiken | 's worth that: nothing. There are flowers and trees and bicycles and beer! |
| 22:56.43 | Ganymede | Okay, let me shave off a little bit. Would an OpenBox session consume less power than MeeGo's stock desktop environment/WM? |
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| 22:58.15 | CosmoHill | Ganymede: it's possible that if you run graphics stuff on the graphics card rather than the processor it would save power |
| 22:58.32 | CosmoHill | whilst the graphics might be faster than the processor it might use more power in doing so |
| 22:58.33 | Ganymede | Okay, that's what I meant by my second sentence in the original question. |
| 22:58.51 | Ganymede | Or...third. |
| 22:59.16 | CosmoHill | however the kernel and drivers also affect the power usage |
| 23:00.41 | Ganymede | Okay...I guess I have no way to know except to test... |
| 23:01.39 | CosmoHill | how do you plan to test this? |
| 23:03.58 | Ganymede | ...I've using stock MeeGo so I guess I'll just ... eyeball it. |
| 23:04.03 | Ganymede | Like...ballpark it. |
| 23:04.13 | Ganymede | If I never find out the answer, then it's clear that it doesn't matter. |
| 23:04.31 | CosmoHill | there's software that can measure the power usage |
| 23:04.47 | CosmoHill | you could use a power meter on the charger but I'd recommend you remove the battery when doing that |
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| 23:16.00 | ShadowJK | When acpi/whatever says battery is full and not charging, it's lying most of the time. :) |
| 23:17.44 | MSM | :) |
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| 23:27.57 | CosmoHill | lcuk: could you possibly disable the IRC program from automatically connecting to channels |
| 23:29.07 | Myrtti | oh sweet jebus |
| 23:29.13 | CosmoHill | Myrtti: yes |
| 23:29.27 | ShadowJK | ... |
| 23:29.50 | CosmoHill | I just hope that the highlight makes the program draw the attention of the user |
| 23:30.17 | Myrtti | :-( |
| 23:30.23 | CosmoHill | hugs Myrtti |
| 23:30.33 | Myrtti | tearjerker of the day... |
| 23:30.38 | ShadowJK | I guess there isn't really any established etiquette for tactfully adressing the internet ghosts of beloved people who've left us.. |
| 23:30.39 | Myrtti | oh man |
| 23:30.49 | Myrtti | good night |
| 23:30.57 | CosmoHill | bye Myrtti |
| 23:34.15 | ShadowJK | personally I feel it's like this nice beacon of their memory that persists not only within us, but also in cyberspace :) |
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