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| 00:36.44 | Alison_Chaiken | SpeedEvil, two xterms side-by-side is nice in landscape on tablet. Terminator allows the spawning of an arbitrary number: it's cool. |
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| 01:01.54 | desti_T2 | isn't the Acer Aspire One D257 with meego available in america yet? |
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| 08:57.35 | *** topic/#meego is channel for general discussions about MeeGo | MeeGo project info: http://meego.com/ | This channel is logged at http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/ | IRC guidelines and more info: http://bit.ly/cYT2Hs | For 'bar' talk (rumours, gossip, etc), please go to #meego-bar |
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| 08:58.36 | Stskeeps | lbt: is there something like git addremove? |
| 08:58.45 | Stskeeps | ie, adding what's there, removing what's missing |
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| 08:59.00 | lbt | git -a is closest AFAIK |
| 08:59.04 | Stskeeps | ok |
| 08:59.09 | lbt | git commit -a |
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| 09:04.49 | alterego | If you use git rm to remove a file then git commit -a will commit all modified files added using git add and remove all files rm'd with git rm. |
| 09:04.56 | alterego | Stskeeps: ^ |
| 09:05.03 | Stskeeps | ok |
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| 09:08.50 | hena | alterego: actually -a overrides git add |
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| 09:10.50 | alterego | hena: git commit -a wont add files itself. |
| 09:11.02 | alterego | It just auto commits modified files already added. |
| 09:11.47 | hena | y |
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| 09:15.00 | Sage | FYI: I have my friends wedding today so I have to leave in about 45mins. So probably not here much later today. |
| 09:15.03 | Sage | lbt: ^ |
| 09:15.18 | lbt | OK ... have a good one |
| 09:15.28 | lbt | we'll do our best not to break CE |
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| 09:20.07 | zek | hello, anybody bothered to port alien? |
| 09:20.55 | arfoll | zek: there are some pkgs on c.obs. havent tried any |
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| 09:21.44 | zek | araujo, what's c.obs. ? |
| 09:21.52 | zek | arfoll, sorry |
| 09:21.59 | araujo | core obs? |
| 09:22.07 | araujo | :) |
| 09:22.08 | arfoll | zek, build.pub.meego.com |
| 09:22.19 | araujo | oh, community |
| 09:22.20 | arfoll | or community OBS |
| 09:22.22 | araujo | :) |
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| 09:25.02 | zek | wondering why are they .deb isn't Meego rpm based as said on wikipedia |
| 09:25.55 | dm8tbr | yes, vanilla meego is RPM based |
| 09:26.06 | arfoll | zek: yes it is rpm based, harmattan (or maemo6) is using deb. lots of discussion about it can be found ;-) |
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| 09:28.29 | zek | dm8tbr, hm, which that would be? |
| 09:28.57 | dm8tbr | MeeGo is RPM in general. |
| 09:29.15 | dm8tbr | only the Nokia Harmattan product has a 'meego' sticker on it and uses deb packaging |
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| 09:30.48 | zek | dm8tbr, ok, can you pass a link repos so i can check the packages there? |
| 09:31.13 | zek | dm8tbr, didn't find any relevant rpm for me yet |
| 09:31.26 | dm8tbr | what are you looking for if I may ask? |
| 09:31.42 | arfoll | zek: what device/meego build are you using? |
| 09:31.46 | zek | dm8tbr, an alien |
| 09:32.08 | zek | arfoll, i followed http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC |
| 09:32.22 | arfoll | ok then you are using an rpm meego |
| 09:32.48 | arfoll | go to build.pub.meego.com -> search -> alien |
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| 09:36.16 | zek | arfoll, three results, on deb, two failed :( |
| 09:36.33 | zek | or didn't publish |
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| 09:36.47 | zek | one* debian package |
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| 09:37.12 | zek | dm8tbr, so rpm in general eih? |
| 09:37.20 | arfoll | zek: then you know what your first community contribution can be ;-) |
| 09:37.42 | arfoll | a spec file for alien pkg so it can build on a meego target |
| 09:37.56 | zek | hate stupid generalization ppl |
| 09:38.51 | dm8tbr | doesn't see what 'alien' would be needed for on the N900 running MeeGo CE |
| 09:38.59 | CosmoHill | zek: ppl = people or the package ppl? |
| 09:38.59 | zek | arfoll, with pleasure, just don't have a box under hand right now |
| 09:39.20 | arfoll | why do you need alien anyways? |
| 09:39.37 | CosmoHill | zek: you should be able to build alien on the OBS |
| 09:40.39 | zek | CosmoHill, yeah in sense of mammals |
| 09:41.12 | zek | arfoll, well i hoped i could install something left from maemo |
| 09:42.41 | zek | CosmoHill, never heard of that, ill check it out anyway |
| 09:43.45 | CosmoHill | zek: the community obs is a build service used to create open source packages for meego, basically a build farm with a web interface |
| 09:44.19 | zek | CosmoHill, oh nice, so it's cloud based? |
| 09:44.37 | CosmoHill | zek: also instead of installing something from maemo you could see if someone has rebuilt the package on the OBS |
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| 09:59.16 | zek | CosmoHill, can you enlightem me about noarch |
| 09:59.32 | CosmoHill | it's for thinks like configuraton files and man pages |
| 09:59.43 | zek | ah, i see |
| 09:59.45 | CosmoHill | non binary things that would be the same regardless of processor |
| 09:59.55 | arfoll | well actually anything thats arch independant, python apps are also noarch |
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| 10:10.42 | zek | arfoll, yeah i got it, also shell scripts |
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| 10:30.15 | zek | it was 7zip is all what i need! |
| 10:30.17 | zek | yay |
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| 10:53.12 | lcuk | interesting phone calls this week :) |
| 10:53.28 | alterego | Really? :) |
| 10:54.16 | lcuk | alterego, yeah |
| 10:54.26 | lcuk | I also went down to Manchester Univesity last night |
| 10:54.37 | lcuk | University * |
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| 10:54.54 | lcuk | to http://contentcreatorsessions.eventbrite.com/ |
| 10:55.03 | lcuk | fantastic lab they have there |
| 10:56.16 | alterego | Cool |
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| 10:58.21 | CosmoHill | slaine: .o/ |
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| 10:58.32 | slaine | howdy |
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| 11:01.33 | lcuk | hi slaine |
| 11:01.48 | slaine | hi lcuk |
| 11:01.54 | slaine | how's the baby doing ? |
| 11:02.04 | lcuk | baby is massive and cute and adorable :D |
| 11:02.21 | lcuk | he has such a lovely smile |
| 11:02.31 | alterego | :) |
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| 11:04.45 | CosmoHill | lcuk: what's his name? |
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| 11:06.32 | lcuk | CosmoHill, Finlay fat pants |
| 11:06.59 | CosmoHill | hehe |
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| 11:56.31 | odin_ | git add -A -v -n # to review, then remove -n to do it for real, can still fix things since it does not commit anything |
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| 12:46.50 | sheunis | can someone please help me with wireless from the command line in Meego 1.0? |
| 12:49.33 | sheunis | My wifi adapter works, but I seem to be having problems with Connman |
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| 12:50.49 | Venemo_N950 | good news: I got the ideapad! |
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| 12:58.36 | Venemo_N950 | I now only need to erase windows 7 starter from it and install meego |
| 12:59.29 | arfoll | Venemo_N950: before you do that upgrade the bops |
| 12:59.34 | arfoll | s/bops/bios |
| 12:59.48 | Venemo_N950 | arfoll, ok |
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| 13:00.05 | Venemo_N950 | I also wanna keep the wincrap "recovery partition" |
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| 13:02.24 | Venemo_N950 | it might come in handy when I sell it somewhen |
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| 13:12.24 | CosmoHill | applis for a graduate job at Ford |
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| 13:42.43 | Venemo | hi MeeGoists! |
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| 13:43.24 | CosmoHill | .o/ |
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| 13:47.19 | niqt | hi |
| 13:47.59 | Venemo | where can I find a howto on installing MeeGo to the ideapad? |
| 13:48.05 | Venemo | win7 starter is driving me nuts |
| 13:48.33 | annma | do you want to dual boot? |
| 13:48.42 | annma | or wipe it all |
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| 13:49.08 | Venemo | I want to keep the recovery partition, should I ever want windows back (when I sell it or sth), but I don't want dual boot |
| 13:49.35 | thiago | the installer lets you choose how to partition |
| 13:50.04 | annma | Venemo: get a Meego iso and it has several partitions choices |
| 13:50.17 | Venemo | iso? this stuff has no cd drive |
| 13:50.22 | annma | on my Wetab though I partitioned beforhand with a Live USB of GParted |
| 13:50.23 | Stskeeps | usb stick |
| 13:50.39 | Venemo | hm, don't have an usb stick either. |
| 13:50.43 | annma | Venemo: either you trust yourself and meego to do it as yo uwant |
| 13:51.01 | annma | or you use GParted on an USB stick to partition |
| 13:51.05 | annma | no? |
| 13:51.09 | annma | how come |
| 13:51.17 | annma | everyone has an USB stick |
| 13:51.46 | thiago | Venemo: how are you going to install if you don't have a medium to put the installer on? |
| 13:53.07 | Venemo | valid question |
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| 13:54.19 | Venemo | I just don't have one at hand... |
| 13:54.33 | Venemo | can I use a USB HDD for this purpose, without destroying the data on it? |
| 13:54.54 | sheunis | venemo: there has to be some method to burn/copy a recovery image for the ideapad |
| 13:55.18 | sheunis | if you can do that, then it will usually enable you to restore it to its original state |
| 13:55.42 | Venemo | ok |
| 13:55.56 | Venemo | I updated the BIOS as arfoll said (although the latest update seems to be quite old |
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| 13:56.53 | Venemo | thiago, can I use an USB HDD instead of an USB stick, without destroying the data currently on it? |
| 13:57.29 | Stskeeps | doubt it |
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| 13:58.59 | annma | Unetbootin maybe can install stuff |
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| 14:00.12 | thiago | Venemo: you need to write to a device's boot sector and partition table |
| 14:00.19 | thiago | Venemo: so you will lose any data on that device |
| 14:01.08 | Venemo | ok, understandable |
| 14:01.19 | Venemo | well then, I will empty the device |
| 14:01.24 | annma | check UNetbootin in frugal mode but the safest way is to have a USB stick, partition with GParted then install Meego |
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| 14:04.07 | sheunis | Anyone here that knows a lot about Connman? |
| 14:04.51 | lcuk | sheunis, the people on the #connman channel will |
| 14:05.19 | sheunis | lcuk: thanks for the pointer |
| 14:05.26 | sheunis | didnt know theres a channel for that |
| 14:05.38 | lcuk | there is a channel for everything |
| 14:06.31 | berndhs | there is after you join it |
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| 16:30.35 | Venemo | hi! |
| 16:30.58 | Stskeeps | hi |
| 16:31.44 | Venemo | so, I want to put MeeGo on the ideapad s10-3t. I have a USB HDD from which I backed up the necessary stuff. where can I find a MeeGo installer image, and how can I put it onto the USB HDD? (I'm assuming that I can boot from it on the ideapad and then I can install it.) |
| 16:33.11 | Venemo | is this the right place to start? https://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.2/meego-v1.2-netbooks |
| 16:34.53 | dvalfre | Venemo: you can start from there |
| 16:35.33 | Venemo | dvalfre, okay |
| 16:36.14 | Venemo | I see there are a couple of known issues, are they fixed since 1.2.0? |
| 16:36.16 | dvalfre | Venemo: ideapad S10 is a convertible one, with touchscreen? |
| 16:36.23 | Venemo | dvalfre, correct. |
| 16:36.44 | dvalfre | then maybe the tablet image will work too |
| 16:37.02 | Venemo | tablet image is only a prerelease afaik |
| 16:37.03 | dvalfre | the one available in appdeveloper.intel.com, I guess |
| 16:37.37 | dvalfre | yes, but it should incorporate the touch drivers and libs |
| 16:37.57 | Venemo | touch drivers should be in the kernel, not in the UX. |
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| 16:39.19 | thiago | they are |
| 16:39.30 | thiago | but they are patches to the kernel, which is why they may not be in all builds |
| 16:39.45 | thiago | then there's the userspace side to make use of the information |
| 16:39.58 | Venemo | well, Qt can handle multitouch, can't it. |
| 16:41.05 | Venemo | it seems that it'll take an hour for this crappy connection to dowload the image :( |
| 16:41.36 | thiago | only if you patch it |
| 16:41.45 | Venemo | what? |
| 16:41.47 | thiago | since X hasn't released XInput 2.1 yet, there's no official support |
| 16:41.59 | thiago | I've been waiting for this for over 2 years |
| 16:42.10 | Venemo | oooh |
| 16:42.17 | Venemo | so, let's make something clear |
| 16:43.10 | Venemo | if I install one of the official MeeGo releases to my ideapad, then Qt won't support its multitouch screen out of the box? |
| 16:43.27 | thiago | the official MeeGo release might have the patch |
| 16:43.34 | Venemo | mhm |
| 16:43.35 | thiago | I think they all do, actually |
| 16:43.47 | Venemo | ok, so nothing to worry about |
| 16:44.16 | Venemo | or is there something I should be worried about? |
| 16:46.38 | thiago | for the ideapad? I don't think so. |
| 16:46.42 | Venemo | thiago, I heard that XInput 2.1 is on its way |
| 16:47.01 | thiago | it's been on its way for 18 months |
| 16:47.05 | MohammadAG | placespage.cpp:12: error: undefined reference to `vtable for PlacesPage' |
| 16:47.12 | MohammadAG | any suggestions? I have Q_OBJECT macro |
| 16:47.16 | thiago | MohammadAG: rerun qmake |
| 16:47.33 | thiago | MohammadAG: please use #qt for that question |
| 16:47.45 | thiago | the bot there has a macro that lists all the possibilities |
| 16:47.51 | MohammadAG | thiago, figured that since I'm using MTF... :) |
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| 16:48.19 | Venemo | thiago, hmm. |
| 16:48.27 | MohammadAG | thanks thiago, worked |
| 16:50.15 | Venemo | thiago, smoku said he tested multitouch with evdev and it worked |
| 16:50.30 | thiago | evdev is the output from the kernel |
| 16:50.35 | thiago | that means the kernel driver is fine |
| 16:50.50 | thiago | then you need something in X that reads that information and passes it to the applications |
| 16:51.05 | Venemo | thiago, so does MeeGo's X currently support that or not? |
| 16:51.16 | thiago | that's the missing part. In MeeGo, we use mtev (X.org's evdev driver modified for MT) and a modified XInput 2.0. |
| 16:51.27 | Venemo | I see |
| 16:51.30 | thiago | then Qt receives the modified XI2 and produces QTouchEvents |
| 16:51.44 | Venemo | aaah! so the point is that it works. |
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| 17:18.39 | EgeBamya1i | What do you think the chances are that some carrier pick up the N9 in the UK? Saw that Orange Switzerland is going to sell it. |
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| 17:24.33 | CosmoHill | EgeBamya1i: probably best to get an unlocked one and join giffgaff :)_ |
| 17:27.57 | EgeBamya1i | CosmoHill: Oh, if i only could aford to buy a phone off the shelf.. |
| 17:28.51 | CosmoHill | shurgs |
| 17:28.57 | CosmoHill | I just get my dad's ex contract phones |
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| 17:37.42 | Venemo | EgeBamya1i :) |
| 17:37.58 | Venemo | usually buys second-hand stuff, bought the N900 second-hand too |
| 17:39.27 | CosmoHill | normally gets given old stuff that nobody wants but is still better than what I currently had |
| 17:43.47 | SpeedEvil | gets phones sent to him free. |
| 17:44.05 | SpeedEvil | Or alternatively, do way too much for them. |
| 17:44.07 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 17:44.21 | SpeedEvil | Generally I'm in CosmoHills position for most hardware though. |
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| 17:45.49 | CosmoHill | got a quad core computer for £20 |
| 17:45.56 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 17:46.14 | CosmoHill | then spent £130 on upgrades |
| 17:47.28 | lcuk | heh CosmoHill |
| 17:47.43 | lcuk | Venemo, glad you got yourself an ideapad |
| 17:47.49 | lcuk | nice little machines :) |
| 17:48.00 | lcuk | I will have to get another one soon |
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| 17:50.11 | CosmoHill | sends his new second hand train shooting around his track |
| 17:50.19 | CosmoHill | it's a damn fast £20 |
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| 17:55.50 | Venemo | lcuk :) |
| 17:56.10 | Venemo | lcuk, yeah, although windows 7 starter is awful crap. MeeGo image is still being downloaded |
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| 17:58.38 | lcuk | Venemo, I have not used Windows 7 on my ideapad - from first light it has only had MeeGo on it |
| 17:59.10 | Venemo | lcuk, this one came with wincrap originally, and the previous owners also used that. |
| 17:59.21 | Venemo | lcuk, but don't worry, I will turn it to the light side of the force now :) |
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| 18:00.15 | lcuk | Venemo, how well do qt apps work on win7? |
| 18:00.34 | lcuk | does your puzzlemaster work there? |
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| 18:01.01 | gandhijee_ | look for openmobile guys @ IDF.... they have neato mosquito |
| 18:01.02 | CosmoHill | win 7 starter is the first experience some people will have of windows 7 |
| 18:01.25 | CosmoHill | an experience with a blindfold and it's arms tied behind it's back that has been spun around and around |
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| 18:01.44 | ali1234 | windows 7 starter is exactly like windows 7 except you can't change the desktop wallpaer |
| 18:02.03 | CosmoHill | I thought MS broke it's legs before releasing it |
| 18:02.05 | arfoll | i think you cant have more than 3 apps open at a time either |
| 18:03.05 | berndhs | isn't that the new design philosophy ? 1 app at a time, people are too stupid for more ? |
| 18:03.06 | Venemo | lcuk, it should, but I haven't tried for a while |
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| 18:03.32 | ali1234 | arfoll: no, that is incorrect |
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| 18:03.58 | Venemo | firefox says 9 minutes remaining for MeeGo image! |
| 18:04.08 | arfoll | ali1234: thats what i read, i've never tried. But i think alot of stuff doesnt count (IE, installers, taskbar stuff etc..) |
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| 18:04.14 | ali1234 | http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-windows_install/windows-7-starter-what-are-the-limitations/422801d5-89de-494d-8cc1-6f4fc21c2ac0 |
| 18:04.22 | ali1234 | here is the actual list ^ |
| 18:04.49 | ali1234 | in summary, no 64 bit edition, no aero theme, no wallpaper |
| 18:04.53 | ali1234 | no xp mode |
| 18:05.06 | ali1234 | everything else falls directly in the category "stuff no one cares about" |
| 18:05.17 | arfoll | ali1234: looks like they dropped the 3 apps max limit. http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-windows_install/windows-7-starter-what-are-the-limitations/422801d5-89de-494d-8cc1-6f4fc21c2ac0 |
| 18:05.22 | arfoll | it was there though |
| 18:05.33 | arfoll | sorry this is the link : http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9133694/Microsoft_kills_Windows_7_Starter_s_3_app_limit |
| 18:06.09 | ali1234 | iow it was only ever a rumour before 7 was even released |
| 18:07.44 | arfoll | well more than a rumour : http://windowsteamblog.com/windows/archive/b/windows7/archive/2009/05/29/let-s-talk-about-windows-7-starter.aspx |
| 18:07.52 | arfoll | but yeah looks like it never really shipped that way |
| 18:08.09 | Venemo | anyway, it runs slowly as hell on the ideapad |
| 18:09.09 | Venemo | I certainly hope MeeGo will boot faster and run faster |
| 18:09.26 | Venemo | that's the only reason I've bought this stuff :) |
| 18:09.39 | ali1234 | it will boot and run faster |
| 18:09.43 | ali1234 | but it won't be any nicer to use |
| 18:09.59 | Venemo | ? |
| 18:10.02 | Venemo | why not? |
| 18:10.05 | ali1234 | due to meego not having a reasonable tablet UX |
| 18:10.22 | Venemo | well, netbook ux will do fine |
| 18:10.25 | arfoll | much better to use the netbook UX on it |
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| 18:10.35 | ali1234 | you can try to use netbook UX but you might as well have just bought a normal netbook for that |
| 18:10.36 | Venemo | I'll use the netbook ux, yes. |
| 18:10.44 | ali1234 | because netbook UX is horrible with a touchscreen |
| 18:10.54 | Venemo | I can always switch to cordia if I'm tired of netbook ux :) |
| 18:11.02 | ali1234 | the tablet UX otoh, is horrible if you also have a keyboard and mouse |
| 18:11.49 | Venemo | also, the keys on the ideapad seems to be not smaller than the keys on my normal laptop, which is a definite positive |
| 18:12.05 | Venemo | however, the two thingies on the edges of the keyboard are very annoying. |
| 18:12.08 | ali1234 | yes it does have massive keys |
| 18:12.31 | ali1234 | those are to stop the screen from wobbling when it is in tablet mode (it still wobbles anyway though) |
| 18:12.56 | Venemo | yep, I know |
| 18:13.04 | Venemo | but they annoy me while I'm typing. |
| 18:13.39 | Venemo | Fn, Å°, and PgUp/PgDown are in the wrong place, but I can get used to that. |
| 18:13.42 | arfoll | wait until you try to do copy and paste on the touchpad. now thats annoying |
| 18:13.44 | Venemo | apart from this, it's a perfect keyboard |
| 18:13.55 | ali1234 | do you type by mashing your palms against the kb? (is that why you need massive keys?) |
| 18:13.57 | Venemo | I have a wireless mouse |
| 18:14.12 | arfoll | yeah with a mouse its a great little netbook |
| 18:14.59 | Venemo | ali1234, nope. however I prefer to lay my hands down to the area below the keys. |
| 18:15.47 | Venemo | and those two "wobble-stoppers" bother my little fingers in that position |
| 18:15.56 | Venemo | but I think I can get used to this small glitch :) |
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| 18:22.32 | Venemo | hm! |
| 18:22.38 | Venemo | the MeeGo image doesn't boot :( |
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| 18:23.49 | Venemo | I dd'd it to my USB HDD and booted the idapad from it, but all I see is a blank screen with a flickering cursor. |
| 18:23.49 | CosmoHill | Venemo: got your boot order right? |
| 18:24.02 | Venemo | CosmoHill, I pressed F12 and chose USB HDD |
| 18:24.50 | slaine | Venemo: check the md5's I geuss |
| 18:24.52 | slaine | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.53 | CosmoHill | you could try booting into run level 3 and then switch in to the live image or the installer |
| 18:25.03 | slaine | should just work though |
| 18:25.12 | Venemo | CosmoHill, as I said, it doesn't boot at all. |
| 18:25.27 | CosmoHill | Venemo: oh, not even the boot loader? |
| 18:25.34 | Venemo | nope. |
| 18:25.43 | CosmoHill | does the idea pad have an optical drive? |
| 18:25.54 | slaine | Like I said, check the md5sums of the image and try dd'ing again |
| 18:26.08 | Venemo | ok |
| 18:26.09 | slaine | CosmoHill: nope |
| 18:26.39 | Venemo | slaine, md5sum checks out for the downloaded file |
| 18:26.45 | Venemo | maybe dd screwed it up? |
| 18:26.58 | slaine | it's possibly |
| 18:27.04 | slaine | what was the dd command ? |
| 18:27.17 | slaine | was it via linux |
| 18:27.20 | Venemo | 'sudo dd bs=4096 if=meego-netbook-ia32-1.2.0.img of=/dev/sdb1' |
| 18:27.27 | Venemo | yes, I'm running on F15 right now |
| 18:27.36 | slaine | Ah |
| 18:27.37 | Venemo | and yes, I'm SURE that /dev/sdb1 is the right hard drive |
| 18:27.41 | slaine | of=/dev/sdb |
| 18:27.46 | Venemo | oh. |
| 18:28.07 | Venemo | ok! :) |
| 18:28.07 | slaine | You're writing a drive image, not a partition image |
| 18:28.14 | Venemo | yeah, right |
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| 18:28.25 | Venemo | I should have known that |
| 18:28.38 | slaine | easy mistake |
| 18:29.59 | Venemo | ok, it's booting now |
| 18:30.04 | Venemo | I chose "installation only" |
| 18:30.25 | slaine | I once had a problem with some new hardware from a supplier. The QA guys had a version too that had Windows running and all the drivers etc and everything was working, I was trying to get linux working and having problems. I asked him to dd their drive and send it to me. |
| 18:30.44 | slaine | I got the drive a couple of days later, written entirely with 0's |
| 18:30.53 | Venemo | ouch |
| 18:31.10 | slaine | I should have been clearer when I said to dd the drive, I meant for them to dd an image off the drive, not wipe it |
| 18:31.20 | slaine | :-D |
| 18:31.40 | arfoll | well at least they didn't take dd to mean destroy or something... |
| 18:31.55 | Venemo | :D |
| 18:32.07 | Venemo | ok, I have 5 partitions on the ideapad right now. |
| 18:32.18 | Venemo | which one is wincrap's recovery partition? I want to keep it. |
| 18:32.46 | Venemo | is it the first 200 MB NTFS? just askin because it seems rather small for such a purpose. |
| 18:35.18 | Venemo | anyone any ideas? |
| 18:35.53 | slaine | Venemo: yes it is |
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| 18:36.17 | slaine | First 2 partitions should be windows, 1 is the system recovery and the other is the c: drive |
| 18:36.28 | Venemo | slaine, and how can it recover a ~15 GB operating system from 200 MB? |
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| 18:38.22 | CosmoHill | Venemo: windows has two partitions, reserve and the main one (C:) |
| 18:38.39 | CosmoHill | pre-build computers have a 3rd which is a factory image used to restore the computer |
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| 18:39.44 | CosmoHill | IIRC the system reserve is like /boot but for windows |
| 18:40.41 | Venemo | mhmm |
| 18:41.06 | Venemo | it seems that the last 15GB of the drive (which is sda4), is, according to wincrap, an "OEM-partition" |
| 18:41.10 | slaine | If I recall correctly, that partition contains binary diffs of certain files |
| 18:41.11 | Venemo | so I guess that's gonna be it. |
| 18:41.41 | slaine | doesn't actually use windows so is guessing |
| 18:41.41 | CosmoHill | Venemo: yeah |
| 18:42.05 | CosmoHill | some pre-builds have the BIOS configured so if you press a button at boot it will boot from partition X |
| 18:42.17 | Venemo | CosmoHill, so if I keep that one OEM partition and demolish the rest, will it be still able to restore wincrap? |
| 18:42.27 | CosmoHill | hopefully |
| 18:42.39 | Venemo | CosmoHill, yeah. it has a button in the top left of the body (bottm left of the screen) with a small arrow icon |
| 18:42.53 | Venemo | that boots the recovery stuff |
| 18:43.20 | Venemo | that's what I'll do then. leave that partition and demolish the rest. |
| 18:43.39 | CosmoHill | if you wanted you could probably add it to grub afterwards |
| 18:44.01 | Venemo | F12 = Fn+F11 is a bit weird. |
| 18:44.22 | CosmoHill | yes, it is |
| 18:44.40 | Venemo | also, do you guys remove these stickers from the left and right side of the screen? |
| 18:45.20 | CosmoHill | I still have Windows Vista sticker on my laptop |
| 18:45.55 | CosmoHill | hell I have stickers on my mac :) |
| 18:47.10 | Venemo | so... I deleted the futile partitions. what kind of partitions do I need to create for MeeGo? |
| 18:47.33 | CosmoHill | are you having just meego on there? |
| 18:48.00 | Venemo | I want to have just MeeGo. (and keep this recovery shit) |
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| 18:48.28 | CosmoHill | /boot swap and / should be alright |
| 18:48.29 | slaine | Venemo: did you get any recovery media in the box ? |
| 18:48.39 | Venemo | slaine, nope. no CD or anything |
| 18:48.44 | CosmoHill | you can have simpler / and swap if you'd prefer |
| 18:49.01 | slaine | By default, MeeGo uses Btrfs |
| 18:49.08 | Venemo | CosmoHill, what file systems are preferred for each, and what is the default layout? |
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| 18:49.38 | CosmoHill | ext3 swap and btrfs |
| 18:49.39 | slaine | I can't recall the default layout, my meego netbook is in a cupboard at home gather dust |
| 18:49.48 | Venemo | I know that for instance, /boot can't be btrfs (at least F15 didn't let me) |
| 18:50.09 | Venemo | CosmoHill, so ext3 /boot, swap, and btrfs for / |
| 18:50.09 | slaine | Yeah, ext3, swap and btrfs as CosmoHill said |
| 18:50.11 | Venemo | ? |
| 18:50.15 | slaine | nod |
| 18:50.21 | CosmoHill | yep |
| 18:50.35 | slaine | I've meego stickers on my ideapad |
| 18:50.37 | slaine | :) |
| 18:50.43 | Venemo | how much space should go to each? |
| 18:50.50 | Venemo | slaine, WHERE CAN I OBTAIN A MEEGO STICKER???? |
| 18:50.56 | Venemo | wants MeeGo stickers! |
| 18:51.13 | CosmoHill | /boot = 200, swap = double RAM and the remainder for / |
| 18:51.19 | SpeedEvil | I can carve one out of this bananna skin, and post it to you |
| 18:51.19 | slaine | That was at the MeeGo conf in Dublin when they where giving them out. we took off the windows stickers and put meego ones on |
| 18:51.32 | Venemo | CosmoHill, will 200 be enough for /boot? Fedora usually leaves 500 MB for it afaik |
| 18:51.43 | slaine | Venemo: more than enough |
| 18:51.44 | Venemo | slaine, mewantsthat too |
| 18:51.48 | CosmoHill | you can go for 500 if you'd like |
| 18:51.52 | Venemo | slaine, ok. |
| 18:51.55 | Venemo | why waste? :) |
| 18:52.25 | slaine | Fedora has a large /boot to allow for preupgrade to download a load of stuff to /boot when doing an upgrade between distros |
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| 18:52.38 | slaine | I've meego installed on an 8Gb flash based Dell Mini 9 at home |
| 18:52.48 | Venemo | slaine, ok :) |
| 18:52.58 | slaine | it's more than enough for a basic web/email type box |
| 18:53.04 | Venemo | slaine, does MeeGo handle dist upgrades in a saner way? |
| 18:53.10 | CosmoHill | yes |
| 18:53.13 | CosmoHill | a fresh install |
| 18:53.15 | slaine | :) |
| 18:53.39 | Venemo | lol |
| 18:53.42 | Venemo | hm |
| 18:53.46 | Venemo | the touchpad is lousy |
| 18:53.54 | Venemo | is that normal? |
| 18:54.54 | Venemo | hmmm, error: "too many primary partitions" wut's that mean? |
| 18:55.06 | Aard | more than 4 primary partitions? |
| 18:55.19 | Venemo | dunno why they were primary at all |
| 18:55.58 | Venemo | I made a /boot, a swap, and a /, and there was an ntfs for the recovery crap |
| 18:56.17 | Venemo | this sounds like 4, although the / appeared as "extended" |
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| 18:57.26 | Venemo | Aard, how can I solve this? (Fedora installation didn't complain about such things) |
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| 18:58.05 | slaine | You can create swap and / as logical partitions |
| 18:58.35 | Venemo | ok |
| 18:58.36 | Aard | Venemo: remove one of the primary partitions, create an extended partition covering the remaining free space, and create logical partitions |
| 18:58.42 | Venemo | aah. |
| 18:58.50 | Venemo | should /boot be primary? |
| 18:58.55 | CosmoHill | yes |
| 18:59.04 | Aard | depends on your bootloader, but usually pes |
| 19:00.00 | Venemo | ok. |
| 19:00.05 | Venemo | also, how can I change my keyboard layout? |
| 19:00.28 | Venemo | I have a nice Hungarian keyboard, but the installer never asked about it, just assumed the English layout. |
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| 19:01.05 | Aard | /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-input-default.conf |
| 19:01.19 | Aard | chang ethe XkbLayout setting there |
| 19:01.38 | Venemo | ok |
| 19:01.52 | Venemo | also, how do I create an extended partition with the installer? |
| 19:01.56 | Venemo | it doesn't seem to have this option |
| 19:02.13 | Aard | if you create a logical partition it should automatically create the extended partition |
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| 19:02.34 | Venemo | and how can I make them logical? |
| 19:02.38 | Venemo | no such checkbox here |
| 19:02.43 | Aard | the extended partition part is only interesting when you do the partitioning manually (i.e., fdisk) |
| 19:02.56 | slaine | it should be a selection box when setting the details of the partition |
| 19:03.09 | Aard | then it should do it automatically |
| 19:03.10 | Venemo | no such option. |
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| 19:03.20 | Venemo | there is a "force to be a primary partition" option only. |
| 19:03.21 | slaine | it's an anaconda installer, so it should be the same as your previous Fedora installs |
| 19:03.57 | slaine | Well, delete the partitions you created |
| 19:04.08 | slaine | create the /boot one and check the force to be primary |
| 19:04.18 | slaine | then create swap and / and don't enable it for those |
| 19:04.32 | slaine | anaconda should be smart enough to sort it out for you |
| 19:04.49 | Venemo | ok. |
| 19:04.50 | Venemo | will try. |
| 19:04.56 | Aard | or just create partitions manually with fdisk, reboot, and tell it which partitions to use for what |
| 19:05.47 | Venemo | well, it indeed does create an extended partition for / |
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| 19:05.51 | Venemo | and it did last time too |
| 19:06.01 | Venemo | so I don't understand the reason for that error then |
| 19:06.35 | Venemo | mhm |
| 19:06.38 | Venemo | same error now too |
| 19:10.19 | Venemo | h |
| 19:10.20 | Venemo | hm |
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| 19:15.50 | Venemo | I'll try "delete all Linux partitions and create default layout" option now |
| 19:16.02 | Venemo | since I've already deleted the wincrap partitions, this should work |
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| 19:17.20 | Venemo | ok, it works now |
| 19:17.29 | Venemo | btw, netbook ux doesn't seem to be touch optimized at all :) |
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| 19:18.01 | Stskeeps | it's not really supposed to be |
| 19:18.27 | Venemo | I know :) |
| 19:18.46 | Venemo | tablet ux is too prerelease for my taste |
| 19:18.55 | Venemo | maybe I'll install cordia when I got bored of the netbook ux :) |
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| 19:26.29 | lcuk | Venemo, I notice only a few distractions in netbook when using it |
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| 19:31.13 | Venemo | lcuk, well, no kinetic scrolling, and some buttons are too small to hit accurately |
| 19:31.30 | Venemo | also the MeeGo tab bar is hard to pop out with the touchscreen because of the top edge |
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| 19:33.27 | Venemo | hmm... in My web accounts, there are only Facebook and SmugMug... can't I add twitter? :O |
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| 21:07.56 | Venemo | hmm |
| 21:08.14 | Venemo | MeeGo is a lot better experience than win7 starter on my ideapad. |
| 21:08.26 | Venemo | however, the fan is continuously on... and it eats the battery. |
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| 21:11.53 | Venemo | right after the system boots, the fan starts and it never stops |
| 21:12.02 | Venemo | is that even normal? |
| 21:12.07 | RST38h | well. broken power management. |
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| 21:12.18 | RST38h | that is linux. |
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| 21:12.36 | Venemo | I thought the atom on the ideapad should have more than enough power management, at least on MeeGo |
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| 21:13.11 | RST38h | evidently, you thought wrong. |
| 21:13.34 | Venemo | but at this pace, I don't understand how others are getting any good battery life out of this thing. |
| 21:13.53 | Venemo | npm said he has 8-10 hours with a 8-cell battery. okay, mine has a 4-cell battery, but it's not gonna be 4-5 hours. |
| 21:14.17 | Venemo | I've used it on battery for 1:15 and it's on 50% now. |
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| 21:16.10 | ShadowJK | that's worse than a regular linux distro on my 6-cell atom netbook :) |
| 21:16.18 | Venemo | indeed |
| 21:16.33 | Venemo | OK, maybe the zypper update took a toll on the battery |
| 21:16.41 | Venemo | but I don't think it is supposed to be this much |
| 21:17.11 | Venemo | maybe I'm missing a setting somewhere? |
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| 21:18.17 | ShadowJK | x86 is kinda weird anyway, atleast when there's SMM involved doing weird thinga behind your back, potentially configurable or controllable through unpublished APIs |
| 21:18.37 | Venemo | that's okay, but the very same device works for other people |
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| 21:27.42 | Venemo | what the F*? pulseaudio uses 17% CPU, and I'm not even playing music |
| 21:27.49 | Venemo | and chromium uses 10% |
| 21:28.02 | Venemo | but 27% cpu load (esp. on an atom) should not generate so much heat. |
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| 21:34.33 | alterego | Hrm, how to clone the n900 meego repositories. |
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| 21:39.41 | npm | Venemo -- that's if i'm not doing much. add a browser with flash ads and forget your battery life |
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| 21:40.09 | Venemo | npm, how much is not much? :P |
| 21:40.10 | npm | i.e. typing text into emacs and no compiling |
| 21:40.26 | npm | if powertop says somethings chewing cycles you won't get batterylife |
| 21:40.54 | Venemo | npm, and it's now MeeGoLem time! |
| 21:41.07 | Venemo | 'zypper search' returns no results for too many things... |
| 21:41.36 | Venemo | or maybe I should just demolist MeeGo and go with Fedora. dunno yet. |
| 21:41.39 | npm | sudo zypper clean --all |
| 21:42.03 | Venemo | netbook UX looks nice (the parts developed by Intel), but it's an antiquated gnome 2 stack otherwise |
| 21:42.06 | npm | sudo zypper --gpg-auto-import-keys refresh |
| 21:42.16 | Venemo | npm, what will those do? |
| 21:42.35 | npm | give you your packages if things setup correctly |
| 21:43.01 | Venemo | umm |
| 21:43.04 | npm | and you may need to rerun them when fedora updates, due to either zypper bug or that it doesn't like foreing repos |
| 21:43.12 | Venemo | ok |
| 21:43.16 | npm | if you don't, then you won't see their updates |
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| 21:43.45 | npm | Venemo: pulsaudio is a prime suspect in all battery life fups |
| 21:43.59 | Venemo | but then, at the end, all I will have is a half-broken MeeGo with Fedora stuff on top... so... why not just install Fedora then? |
| 21:44.03 | npm | i call it "a waste of batteries" |
| 21:44.43 | npm | since it's stupid to use a mobile CPU as a digital mixer when you can just have a few more A/Ds and D/As and a couple of resistors (aka analog mixing) |
| 21:44.51 | Venemo | :D |
| 21:45.13 | Venemo | npm, honestly: I like gnome-shell's animations more than the netbook ux's. |
| 21:45.27 | Venemo | the tabs are nice, but it's annying that they disappear in apps |
| 21:45.31 | npm | one ofthe other batlife problems is if pulseaudio doesn't shut down when no audio is playing (it doesn't) |
| 21:45.52 | Venemo | I like the Intel-designed stuff overall, but dislike the antiquated gnome parts. |
| 21:45.53 | npm | so often you have to shutdown any apps that might do audio, even if they're not playing anything |
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| 21:46.07 | Venemo | npm, well... PA has been always behaving well for me on Fedora |
| 21:46.09 | npm | the one good thing about the netbook UX is it is stable |
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| 21:46.17 | Venemo | yeah I know |
| 21:46.25 | Venemo | that's why I use it :) |
| 21:46.37 | npm | other than that i'd prefer an update to gnomeshell |
| 21:47.01 | npm | but actually i'd rather see the work go into KDE |
| 21:47.13 | npm | which makes more sense from the Qt-everywhere perspective |
| 21:47.32 | Venemo | KDE's UX is nowhere near as superior as Gnome shell |
| 21:47.38 | alterego | Qt works in gnome too :P |
| 21:47.45 | Venemo | but I hear they're making progress in this front |
| 21:47.52 | Venemo | not sure of the result of such work. |
| 21:47.53 | npm | i use KDE w/ lots of gnome apps :-) |
| 21:48.14 | Venemo | in any case, if MeeGo can't keep up with newer package versions, it should more directly base itself on Fedora |
| 21:48.24 | Venemo | npm, I use Gnome with some KDE apps (such as Konvi) |
| 21:48.41 | npm | but i did fire up f15 alpha back in the day to see how it worked and it seemed like a good "next generation" to netbook UX |
| 21:48.54 | Venemo | npm, that it is |
| 21:49.05 | Venemo | wants a MeeGo sticker instead of the wincrap sticker |
| 21:50.17 | CosmoHill | Venemo: you wouldn't be saying that if it actually read "wincrap" |
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| 21:50.49 | Venemo | CosmoHill, maybe! |
| 21:50.51 | Venemo | :P |
| 21:51.08 | npm | i peeled my windows sticker but left the intel stickers |
| 21:51.20 | CosmoHill | I have a Windows Vista sticker on my notepad |
| 21:51.28 | CosmoHill | (made of paper_ |
| 21:51.41 | CosmoHill | friend peeled it off her laptop and put it on my book |
| 21:52.00 | Venemo | lol! |
| 21:52.07 | CosmoHill | explains why it's full of crap and illegible hand writing >.> |
| 21:52.24 | CosmoHill | and the nazi symbol <.< |
| 21:52.44 | npm | sorry intel but my desktop has ASUS and AMD PhenomII stickers on it :-) |
| 21:53.34 | CosmoHill | npm: my desktop has Intel Celeron and Nvidia stickers on it but has an Intel Core 2 Quad and Intel GMA 4500 graphics |
| 21:53.55 | Venemo | and I don't have a desktop! |
| 21:54.05 | Venemo | but my laptop is a core 2 duo + nvidia |
| 21:54.59 | npm | my laptop is my meego netbook :-) |
| 21:55.22 | npm | or the 3.4 G Pentium lapburner that's in pieces downstairs, and probably won't get reassembled |
| 21:56.58 | CosmoHill | if I move my laptop I can iron my bedding |
| 21:58.08 | berndhs | hmm PsyPost.org is following me on twitter, "research on human behavior and coginition" |
| 21:58.23 | berndhs | did I do something unusual ? |
| 21:58.47 | CosmoHill | berndhs: everything? |
| 21:59.18 | berndhs | as long as they don't look me up for their observations |
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| 23:17.29 | SpeedEvil | Touchpad - at QVC |
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| 23:20.52 | digitalsky | hi |
| 23:21.05 | SpeedEvil | ah - nvm - gone |
| 23:21.32 | digitalsky | i'm new to this channel. is this the right place to talk about meego image creator? |
| 23:21.41 | SpeedEvil | It's a right place |
| 23:21.50 | berndhs | it's worth a try |
| 23:21.56 | digitalsky | ok. :) |
| 23:22.52 | digitalsky | so i'm trying to run mic on ubuntu 11.04 and i'm running into problems if I don't use --bootstrap option |
| 23:23.32 | digitalsky | I've emailed Yi Yang and he said that the --bootstrap option is obsolete, and that mic would automatically create a bootstrap when run in the ubuntu OS |
| 23:24.11 | alterego | You have to use bootstrap level 2 |
| 23:24.12 | digitalsky | the problem when I run without --bootstrap is, when mic tries to create the bootstrap, it complains that a lot of packages are not found |
| 23:24.27 | digitalsky | what's bootstrap level 2? |
| 23:24.50 | alterego | Sorry, I think I'm getting confused. |
| 23:25.01 | digitalsky | oh |
| 23:25.02 | alterego | It's been a while since I've used mic |
| 23:25.16 | alterego | I thought there was a --runlevel argument or something. |
| 23:25.48 | digitalsky | oh it's worth mentioning that i git cloned from the image-creator.git, and am using the latest mic (as of 8/26) |
| 23:26.12 | digitalsky | i did a make && sudo make install, and that's the mic i'm running with. |
| 23:27.02 | digitalsky | at first i followed the instructions here: http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation to create a separate bootstrap, then use the --bootstrap arg with mic2. everything was fine |
| 23:27.15 | digitalsky | however, i want to be able to build without the bootstrap, as Yi claimed was possible. |
| 23:27.38 | digitalsky | he said "Because you're using Ubuntu, mic-image-creator will create bootstrap without any extra options." |
| 23:27.47 | digitalsky | ie without --bootstrap |
| 23:27.54 | digitalsky | but that's where i'm running into problems |
| 23:28.47 | digitalsky | would anyone here have any ideas about this? |
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