| 00:00.14 | ali1234 | it does work |
| 00:01.25 | berndhs | CosmoHill: after they rename meego to the new name :P |
| 00:02.04 | CosmoHill | well I'm off to sleep, cyas |
| 00:02.09 | berndhs | night Cosmo |
| 00:06.11 | ali1234 | i do not understand |
| 00:06.38 | ali1234 | it's crashing at make oldconfig just like it does with rpmbuild |
| 00:06.45 | ali1234 | it's the same old bug |
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| 00:11.03 | ali1234 | Makefile:110: *** target pattern contains no `%'. Stop. |
| 00:12.37 | ali1234 | lol |
| 00:12.49 | ali1234 | guess what causes that error |
| 00:12.51 | ali1234 | guess |
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| 00:44.46 | Termana | morning |
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| 01:05.05 | lcuk | heads to bed |
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| 01:14.47 | ali1234 | no, i'm pretty sure it is stuck |
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| 01:29.03 | ali1234 | yeah so the worker is just restarting over and over |
| 01:31.45 | ali1234 | also local build without obs fails, because nothing provides rpmlint-mobile |
| 01:31.50 | ali1234 | rpmlint-moblin |
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| 02:02.46 | ali1234 | i think it succeeded |
| 02:06.12 | ali1234 | http://repo.pub.meego.com/home%3a/ali1234%3a/branches%3a/MeeGo.com%3a/MeeGo%3a/1.2%3a/oss/MeeGo_Trunk_standard/i586/ |
| 02:06.18 | ali1234 | this kernel should have 2GB support |
| 02:06.44 | ali1234 | it might utterly fail to boot though |
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| 02:28.23 | iluminator101 | hi has anyone been able to port meego to hp touchpad? |
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| 02:42.50 | iluminator101 | is there meego that uses .deb instead of meego |
| 02:43.04 | iluminator101 | is there meego that uses .deb instead of rpm |
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| 02:48.53 | twoboxen | harmattan |
| 02:48.59 | twoboxen | is meego api compatible |
| 03:00.07 | iluminator101 | has anyone install meego in asus Eee pad? |
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| 06:13.43 | Venemo | what the heck is http://www.intel.com/idf/mobileapp/index.htm ? - no MeeGo version |
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| 06:14.46 | Stskeeps | Venemo: well there's not exactly any meego handsets.. |
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| 06:15.02 | Stskeeps | frankly, they should just do as they preach and do a HTML5 version |
| 06:15.09 | Venemo | agreed :P |
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| 06:19.06 | RST38h | In fact, they should ONLY do Meego version |
| 06:19.11 | RST38h | ;) |
| 06:19.18 | Venemo | RST38h ++ |
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| 06:20.57 | dm8tbr | they should be giving away free handsets WITH the meego version ;) |
| 06:21.13 | Venemo | xD |
| 06:22.54 | RST38h | They should be giving away free Core i7 handsets with the meego version! |
| 06:23.58 | dm8tbr | built in nuclear power plant? |
| 06:24.27 | RST38h | a built in bicycle |
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| 06:37.11 | Venemo | lol |
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| 08:26.25 | ali1234 | Stskeeps: i managed to build a kernel on COBS last night |
| 08:26.33 | ali1234 | however local build did not work |
| 08:27.07 | ali1234 | after several minor but fixable errors in the instructions i hit something i could not fix |
| 08:27.24 | ali1234 | build dies saying "nothing provides rpmlint-Moblin" |
| 08:28.44 | Stskeeps | ali1234: hmm |
| 08:28.52 | Stskeeps | ali1234: rpmlint-Moblin shouldn't be in use in 1.2 |
| 08:29.01 | Stskeeps | ali1234: can you walk me through what you usd? |
| 08:29.15 | ali1234 | yeah |
| 08:29.26 | ali1234 | first i installed meego-1.2.0-netbook-x86 |
| 08:29.46 | ali1234 | booted it up, got root shell with su - |
| 08:29.53 | ali1234 | zypper install build perl-XML-Parser |
| 08:30.14 | ali1234 | tried to import RPM key but it did not work, presumably i already have it |
| 08:30.31 | Stskeeps | :nod: |
| 08:30.35 | ali1234 | looked in /usr/lib/build/configs, there is no meego-1.2.conf, only meego-1.0.conf |
| 08:30.44 | ali1234 | it is already linked to default |
| 08:30.51 | Stskeeps | ok, that's probably where something blew up |
| 08:30.52 | ali1234 | assume it is an oversight, someone forgot to bump version |
| 08:30.58 | Stskeeps | nah, 1.0 and 1.2 differs |
| 08:31.20 | ali1234 | then i enabled 1.2.0-oss-source repo with zypper me -e 1.2.0-oss-source |
| 08:31.40 | ali1234 | then i got s srpm with zypper si -D kernel-adaptation-pinetrail |
| 08:31.59 | ali1234 | then ran build on the spec file that zypper installed |
| 08:32.10 | Stskeeps | http://monster.tspre.org:8000/public/source/MeeGo%3A1.2.0%3Aoss/_config - grab that and name it meego-1.2.conf |
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| 08:35.24 | ali1234 | ok, retrying |
| 08:35.43 | ali1234 | it's downloading packages, i don't think it did that before. so looks good |
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| 08:36.52 | Stskeeps | where did you get the build package? meego 1.2 i presume? |
| 08:36.58 | ali1234 | yes |
| 08:37.01 | Stskeeps | ok |
| 08:37.06 | ali1234 | whatever default repos are in meego-1.2 |
| 08:37.15 | ali1234 | there is actually a tools repo folder for meego |
| 08:37.20 | ali1234 | dunno if it is enabled by default though |
| 08:37.38 | Stskeeps | yeah, build should be working though |
| 08:37.46 | ali1234 | you'd think... |
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| 08:37.55 | Stskeeps | yeah, i know :P |
| 08:42.26 | iekku | it's weekend, does somethig work |
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| 08:43.25 | Stskeeps | i'm always working :P |
| 08:43.30 | Stskeeps | except when i sleep, then my mind is |
| 08:43.30 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:44.03 | ali1234 | now i got this: http://pastebin.com/81F2tTUc |
| 08:44.47 | iekku | Stskeeps, i don't think you are building machine... |
| 08:45.12 | iekku | Stskeeps, i think work isn't work for you, but way of life |
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| 08:45.18 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 08:45.36 | Stskeeps | ali1234: was linux-2.6.38.tar.gz in your srpm? |
| 08:45.39 | Stskeeps | er, bz2 |
| 08:46.06 | ali1234 | yes |
| 08:46.10 | ali1234 | but i didn't have a srpm |
| 08:46.14 | ali1234 | i have a .spec |
| 08:46.22 | Stskeeps | ok, and tarball alongside? |
| 08:46.39 | ali1234 | no, the tarball is in a dirfferent directory, because that is what zypper si does |
| 08:47.01 | Stskeeps | ah, that's silly |
| 08:47.09 | Stskeeps | put it all in one dir and try again |
| 08:48.09 | ali1234 | ok retrying |
| 08:48.33 | ali1234 | while i was trying to use COBS last night, the worker got stuck in a reboot loop |
| 08:48.48 | ali1234 | it would crash at "starting XEN kernel" and then restart a while later |
| 08:49.01 | ali1234 | it did that about 20 times in a hour, then finally worked |
| 08:49.04 | ali1234 | i that normal? |
| 08:49.07 | Stskeeps | probably not |
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| 08:50.22 | ali1234 | well, the error is different now |
| 08:50.38 | ali1234 | not it complains that every single file *inside* the linux tarball does not exist |
| 08:50.50 | ali1234 | eg /bin/tar: linux-2.6.38/arch/microblaze/boot/dts: Cannot stat: No such file or directory |
| 08:51.10 | Stskeeps | out of memory? |
| 08:51.11 | dm8tbr | ali1234: http://isobsdown.bfst.de/core_obs_api_7days_2011-09-04T07.59.30.png - it just came back from being down (not shown on the graph) |
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| 08:51.23 | Stskeeps | err, space |
| 08:51.43 | dm8tbr | so if anything from core obs was necessary for that build |
| 08:51.56 | ali1234 | Stskeeps: i have 99GB free |
| 08:52.01 | Stskeeps | ali1234: hmmm. |
| 08:52.08 | Stskeeps | ali1234: can you paste the full build log? |
| 08:52.10 | ali1234 | dm8tbr: this was about 7 hours ago, could be in previous red patch i guess |
| 08:52.27 | ali1234 | about 1am-2am UTC |
| 08:53.23 | ali1234 | dm8tbr: anyway, it dutifully built the FS image from packages each time, then crashed while trying to launch it, with error 55 |
| 08:53.34 | dm8tbr | source service / api was up between 00:00z and 08:00z AFAICS |
| 08:53.53 | dm8tbr | ok, most likely unrelated then |
| 08:54.10 | ali1234 | Stskeeps: it appears to still be building? :/ |
| 08:54.37 | Stskeeps | ali1234: fun |
| 08:55.00 | Stskeeps | well at least we're closer to a reason |
| 08:56.11 | ali1234 | the full log so far is a couple of mb |
| 08:56.18 | ali1234 | pastebin.com won't accept it |
| 08:56.22 | Stskeeps | i'm more interested in the first ~200 lines |
| 08:57.28 | ali1234 | http://pastebin.com/rCYMCkNj |
| 08:58.21 | Stskeeps | ali1234: did you set default to meego 1.2 conf? |
| 08:58.37 | ali1234 | yes, i set the link |
| 08:58.51 | Stskeeps | ok |
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| 09:00.33 | ali1234 | oh, some more fun errors |
| 09:00.57 | ali1234 | http://pastebin.com/9bvHLpAd |
| 09:01.14 | Stskeeps | those are fairly normal |
| 09:01.57 | ali1234 | according to top, 3x cc1 is running |
| 09:02.01 | ali1234 | so it is doing something |
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| 09:14.22 | dm8tbr | there we go again *sing* |
| 09:14.40 | Stskeeps | different cause |
| 09:14.49 | Stskeeps | well, its' the no socket attached |
| 09:14.53 | Stskeeps | before it simply didn't answer |
| 09:15.40 | dm8tbr | yes |
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| 09:19.56 | dm8tbr | http://isobsdown.bfst.de/core_obs_api_7days_2011-09-04T09.17.27.png and http://isobsdown.bfst.de/core_obs_http_7days_2011-09-04T09.16.36.png - should allow to understand which is which |
| 09:20.21 | dm8tbr | ignore the 'warning' state as that's just due to core obs answering with 401 on https / |
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| 09:21.30 | dm8tbr | ah, sorry, one of them is 24h only. let's fix that |
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| 09:24.00 | dm8tbr | http://isobsdown.bfst.de/core_obs_http_7days_2011-09-04T09.21.51.png http://isobsdown.bfst.de/core_obs_api_7days_2011-09-04T09.21.38.png |
| 09:24.35 | Stskeeps | at this point i would ask if they could start graph incoming amount of requests on public api |
| 09:24.39 | Stskeeps | as to help track down the issue |
| 09:24.46 | Stskeeps | and perhaps load avg |
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| 09:25.48 | dm8tbr | this is RE we're talking about |
| 09:26.01 | dm8tbr | snowball, hell, ... |
| 09:26.40 | Stskeeps | still |
| 09:26.51 | dm8tbr | they haven't even confirmed that there is an issue. lest fixed the underlying problem for more than a month |
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| 09:27.28 | dm8tbr | adam tries to help from time to time, but seems he's bound by stuff we are not privy to know |
| 09:27.36 | lbt | points out the log around here to Ulf_ .... |
| 09:27.54 | lbt | (who I think is on RE ?) |
| 09:28.17 | lbt | (and probably won't be around for many many hours) |
| 09:28.24 | Stskeeps | isn't it like labor day weekend? |
| 09:28.44 | Stskeeps | i think everyone is pretty much poof gone :) |
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| 09:28.47 | Stskeeps | in the US at least |
| 09:28.52 | lbt | well it' sure ain't "labour" day |
| 09:29.05 | lbt | since that implies work :) |
| 09:29.13 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 09:29.18 | lbt | speaking of which ... bbl8r |
| 09:29.40 | Stskeeps | dm8tbr: i have an experiment we should try out at some point |
| 09:29.58 | Stskeeps | dm8tbr: drag qt tarball over public api a couple of times and see if we get reproducable problems |
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| 09:39.06 | dm8tbr | Stskeeps: ok, we could start by trying to whack cobs that way |
| 09:39.14 | dm8tbr | as that's easier to get fixed ;) |
| 09:39.37 | Stskeeps | :nod: |
| 09:40.28 | dm8tbr | lbt should be able to point out when IT is available and cobs usage low so we don't interfere too much if we succeed |
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| 09:41.02 | lbt | oh... that kind of snapshot ... yeah |
| 09:41.51 | lbt | FYI I'm around today (out 2-6pm uk time) and afk all mon/tue .... back late tue night |
| 09:42.11 | lbt | Then I am working on Mer for the rest of the week full time |
| 09:42.26 | Stskeeps | :nod: |
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| 09:43.45 | lbt | and Stskeeps I'm going to allocate 50% of my sprint to Mer and propose we roll out the released elements of BOSS to CE |
| 09:43.51 | lbt | mmm |
| 09:43.54 | Stskeeps | :nod: |
| 09:43.57 | lbt | to be available to CE |
| 09:44.44 | lbt | phaeron is still away which is a shame - he should be back during the week |
| 09:44.50 | Stskeeps | schemes out storage format for fakeobs |
| 09:45.16 | lbt | can you send me a reminder on the fakeobs design |
| 09:45.39 | lbt | I keep feeling the need to debate it |
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| 09:46.18 | dm8tbr | OK, I'm gone for the rest of the day, visiting some friends at their mökki |
| 09:46.22 | Stskeeps | well, this one is the one for making full-project dumps and trading it around with rsync, so you can run a fakeobs instance that exports the snapshot |
| 09:46.32 | Stskeeps | ie, it acts like a OBS on the wire |
| 09:46.38 | lbt | dm8tbr: cheers ... l8r |
| 09:46.46 | dm8tbr | tnx, l8r |
| 09:47.05 | lbt | what aspect of OBS does it provide? |
| 09:47.07 | Stskeeps | (for other obs instances) |
| 09:47.11 | Stskeeps | it provides obs link, ie, public api |
| 09:47.28 | lbt | how does it differ to download on demand? |
| 09:47.35 | Stskeeps | provides sources |
| 09:47.47 | lcuk | Stskeeps, is mer going to include front end ux in its planning? |
| 09:47.57 | lcuk | i know you are focusing on the core elements |
| 09:48.04 | Stskeeps | lcuk: mer's a core, UX is up to more creative people |
| 09:48.19 | lcuk | i know it is, but will it be part of mer |
| 09:48.40 | Stskeeps | i think in order not to confuse, they are technically seprate projects generateing requirements to core |
| 09:48.48 | lbt | *nod* |
| 09:49.14 | lcuk | so what do people get from mer? |
| 09:49.22 | lbt | http://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2011/08/meego-restructured.html <- lcuk |
| 09:50.31 | SpeedEvil | ponders some sort of icon for mer. A MerMaid? |
| 09:50.36 | Stskeeps | lbt, it basically enables offline usage of entire core source tree + binaries if need be |
| 09:50.53 | Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Artwork |
| 09:50.55 | lbt | *nod* |
| 09:51.11 | SpeedEvil | Ah |
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| 09:52.29 | lcuk | lbt so IVI |
| 09:52.34 | ali1234 | lbt: did you see the email on meego-dev from the nigerian guy? |
| 09:52.39 | lcuk | meego -> mer -> ivi |
| 09:52.45 | lcuk | or meego -> ivi |
| 09:52.59 | lbt | ali1234: subject? |
| 09:53.02 | ali1234 | lbt: basically "please send me a dvd with everything i need to develop for meego" |
| 09:53.06 | Stskeeps | lcuk: IVI would take the core, dump UI and tools on top |
| 09:53.13 | ali1234 | hang on i have a link |
| 09:53.14 | Stskeeps | and components |
| 09:53.15 | lcuk | Stskeeps, which core? |
| 09:53.20 | lcuk | since mer is the topic |
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| 09:53.27 | lbt | ali1234: fair request given the bwidth over there |
| 09:53.27 | lcuk | meego core |
| 09:53.29 | Stskeeps | lcuk: Mer |
| 09:53.30 | lcuk | or mer core |
| 09:53.38 | Stskeeps | that's gthe idea at lest |
| 09:53.39 | lcuk | so it is meego -> mer -> ivi |
| 09:53.49 | Stskeeps | i don't understand your ->'s |
| 09:53.56 | ali1234 | lbt: subject was: [MeeGo-dev] a meego bootable cd/dvd |
| 09:53.59 | lcuk | mer is based on meego |
| 09:54.04 | Stskeeps | right |
| 09:54.15 | lcuk | the -> are upstreamyness |
| 09:54.38 | Stskeeps | see it as layers instead - IVI project would build agaisnt a core |
| 09:54.53 | lcuk | but there are 2 cores |
| 09:55.53 | lcuk | and would ivi still be a meego project |
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| 09:55.58 | lcuk | if it is based on mer |
| 09:56.48 | Stskeeps | lcuk, mer is a project to reignite/reconstruct meego, by making a different kind of core. like with meego, ux'es are put on top |
| 09:57.08 | lcuk | Stskeeps, sure I know that |
| 09:57.20 | Stskeeps | anyway, now i got sidetracked in my conversation with lbt :P |
| 09:57.30 | lbt | :) |
| 09:58.02 | lcuk | Stskeeps, just trying to suss out where the work on these things will be |
| 09:58.02 | Stskeeps | lbt, would it make sense to rsync around full history of core? |
| 09:58.29 | lbt | thinking what the goal is |
| 09:59.03 | lbt | I am deeply concerned about branching in OBS vs branching in git |
| 09:59.06 | Stskeeps | goal is to allow people easily to track core, both in terms of ports and development |
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| 09:59.23 | lbt | *nod* |
| 09:59.33 | Stskeeps | and well, if main obs goes down, technically anyone can resurrect using same data |
| 10:00.03 | lbt | so, in my mind what you want is a blend of several things |
| 10:00.11 | lbt | binaries for ease of build targetting |
| 10:00.19 | lbt | src for hacking and merging |
| 10:00.40 | lbt | now git is great at the latter .. |
| 10:00.47 | lbt | rsync at the former |
| 10:01.01 | Stskeeps | i basically want what OBS serves over public API, in file form |
| 10:01.11 | lbt | yeah ... that's more pragmatic |
| 10:02.11 | Stskeeps | (some server on top that can read the databases/metadata and provide interactive access, is ok) |
| 10:03.03 | lbt | it seems a lot of work... and I wonder why it's not just another OBS instance |
| 10:03.22 | lbt | use domining's snapshot (or similar) |
| 10:03.25 | lbt | and rsync that |
| 10:04.12 | Stskeeps | it's not that much of work - for basic link functionality i have mostly static data and then ~160 lines of python |
| 10:04.29 | Stskeeps | slightly more lightwight than a full obs instance |
| 10:04.38 | lbt | yeah - OK |
| 10:04.48 | Stskeeps | lemme just sketch something |
| 10:06.49 | Stskeeps | http://monster.tspre.org:8000/public/source/Trunk/ , check index.html (view source), _meta, _config, etc |
| 10:07.04 | Stskeeps | that's the kind of stuff i want to pass around |
| 10:07.34 | Stskeeps | a dump of what the 'main' OBS provides over obs link |
| 10:09.41 | Stskeeps | that'd be basically the full gpl-compliant dump, ie, what you need to recreate the package |
| 10:10.12 | lbt | right |
| 10:11.16 | lbt | I thought you meant a subset of https://api.opensuse.org/apidocs/ |
| 10:11.29 | Stskeeps | just the public api one |
| 10:11.31 | Stskeeps | which is fairly limited |
| 10:11.54 | Stskeeps | so you can effectively osc co fakeobs:Trunk mypackage |
| 10:11.59 | Stskeeps | for any revision |
| 10:12.16 | lbt | for any revision? |
| 10:12.54 | Stskeeps | yea, i mean, snapshot would come with package history |
| 10:12.57 | Stskeeps | (or could) |
| 10:13.06 | lbt | mmm |
| 10:13.07 | Stskeeps | you could make tools that only pull 'needed' binaries |
| 10:13.10 | Stskeeps | er |
| 10:13.14 | Stskeeps | needed source files |
| 10:13.26 | lbt | these are .gz tarballs.... history of them is not pretty |
| 10:13.43 | lbt | but yeah |
| 10:13.44 | Stskeeps | too big snapshot you think? |
| 10:14.04 | lbt | see this is where I would love to see git and pristine-tar working together |
| 10:14.42 | lbt | but a snapshot including a tgz of every revision .. yeah .. too big |
| 10:15.05 | lbt | Now if your packages were in git... |
| 10:15.10 | lbt | and your rev had a sha1 |
| 10:15.18 | lbt | as provided by source service |
| 10:15.34 | lbt | and we used a git->tar service tlike pristine-tar |
| 10:15.42 | Stskeeps | just for good measure, each package has a md5 so it wouldn't be .tar.gz times amount of commits |
| 10:15.43 | lbt | then it becomes 'trivial' :) |
| 10:16.10 | Stskeeps | like OBS stores it itself |
| 10:16.13 | lbt | and you know OBS is headign that way |
| 10:16.27 | lbt | I need to dig into obs2.3 again |
| 10:16.33 | lbt | been too focused on other things |
| 10:16.51 | Stskeeps | :nod: |
| 10:17.02 | lbt | OK - that's actually very elegant ... I like it |
| 10:17.22 | lbt | I think it would be great to do that for a 'release' or even a weekly snapshot |
| 10:17.37 | Stskeeps | i'm thinking a main structure with metadata and then a files/ dir that has <packagename>/<md5>-<filename> |
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| 10:17.48 | Stskeeps | so it's possible to first mirror the metadata, and then the files we're interested in |
| 10:20.00 | Stskeeps | i mean, rsync takes a file list :P |
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| 10:20.36 | lbt | and regexps |
| 10:20.39 | Stskeeps | :nod: |
| 10:21.08 | lbt | hmmm /pool is a good name |
| 10:21.16 | Stskeeps | or to follow OBS convention, /trees |
| 10:22.53 | Stskeeps | so on the main obs there would be a process that follows lastevents and keeps the 'snapshot' alive |
| 10:22.56 | Stskeeps | caching binaries, etc |
| 10:23.35 | lbt | *nod |
| 10:23.36 | Stskeeps | and then publishes it to mirrors |
| 10:25.33 | Stskeeps | would even be useful on meego.com :P |
| 10:27.33 | CosmoHill | hey lbt |
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| 10:29.48 | lbt | puts fakeobs on whiteboard |
| 10:30.00 | lbt | hey CosmoHill |
| 10:30.15 | CosmoHill | I put a XKCD comic about passwords on the university notice board :) |
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| 10:31.23 | Stskeeps | the other fakeobs concept i'm talking about is the one that with simple auth allows a user to check out and compile a package offline, as well as 'commit' - ie, send a package change into QA |
| 10:31.47 | Stskeeps | this fakeobs could technically work on top of the snapshot, ie, multiple people providing that server in a pool |
| 10:32.44 | lbt | it feels a lot like something that would grow up to need a webui and eventually become OBS |
| 10:32.56 | Stskeeps | possibly, but KISS |
| 10:33.08 | lbt | one big concern is that we are very time/resource limited |
| 10:33.12 | Stskeeps | yes |
| 10:33.17 | Stskeeps | hence some of these solutions |
| 10:33.39 | Stskeeps | easy contribution, distribution of work across different companies/servers, etc |
| 10:33.44 | lbt | yeah but if the real issue is "make the core OBS API more reliable" .... |
| 10:34.05 | Stskeeps | also corporate view "what, we have to access a server on the net every time we build?: |
| 10:34.21 | lbt | oh, yeah ... hence DoD |
| 10:34.29 | Stskeeps | :nod: |
| 10:34.35 | Stskeeps | DoD is still, only for binary packages, afaik |
| 10:34.47 | lbt | and this is where the 'correct' solution for source is git |
| 10:34.51 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 10:35.15 | lbt | obs clone Trunk |
| 10:35.29 | lbt | that's what you want? right ? |
| 10:35.36 | Stskeeps | sortof yeah |
| 10:36.07 | lbt | hence aiming to a 'proper' longer term source management solution |
| 10:36.10 | Stskeeps | idea that just came to my head: instead of user login for fakeobs, gpg signing of commits |
| 10:37.02 | lbt | http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-tag.html |
| 10:37.18 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 10:37.37 | lbt | http://git.661346.n2.nabble.com/GPG-signing-for-git-commit-td2582986.html |
| 10:38.45 | lbt | wow ... that was easy to find ... I knew I'd read about it a while back |
| 10:39.06 | Stskeeps | can OBS drag full package info from a git backend? |
| 10:39.11 | Stskeeps | it, grab the package from git |
| 10:40.05 | lbt | that is the design direction |
| 10:40.11 | Stskeeps | mmk |
| 10:40.22 | lbt | it clones the tree and does git archive on a tag/commit |
| 10:40.34 | lbt | to make a transient tarball |
| 10:40.44 | Stskeeps | yeah, but we'd need spec and so on too |
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| 10:41.31 | lbt | working on that with Aard |
| 10:41.41 | lbt | git-buildpackage for rpm |
| 10:42.11 | lbt | http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Concept_GitSupport_Full |
| 10:42.21 | lbt | and other http://en.opensuse.org/Category:Build_Service git entries |
| 10:44.43 | Stskeeps | mmm |
| 10:45.36 | Stskeeps | .. but does this software exists that's described on it |
| 10:45.48 | Stskeeps | ie, instead of BSDB, it's git backend |
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| 10:46.22 | lbt | no .. but if we're going to work towards a goal... go in the right direction |
| 10:46.28 | lbt | back in 5 ... coffee |
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| 10:51.09 | CosmoHill | refuses to believe he's build an embedded linux system in 2 hours |
| 10:51.28 | lcuk | CosmoHill, heh |
| 10:51.44 | lcuk | is that from scratch? |
| 10:51.48 | CosmoHill | yep |
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| 10:53.02 | Myrtti | which solder did you use? |
| 10:53.04 | lcuk | CosmoHill, which device is that for? |
| 10:53.08 | lcuk | lol Myrtti |
| 10:53.10 | CosmoHill | stopped to watch the btcc |
| 10:53.31 | CosmoHill | Myrtti: lead free of course |
| 10:53.34 | Myrtti | lcuk: well I've soldered my own Arduino clone so it's a valid question, who knows ;-) |
| 10:53.49 | Myrtti | well, technically it's not mine |
| 10:53.53 | Myrtti | but I soldered it |
| 10:53.56 | CosmoHill | lcuk: none, just building it cos I have a job interview at a place that uses embedded systems |
| 10:54.17 | Myrtti | that reminds me to open safari online, thanks CosmoHill |
| 10:54.20 | lcuk | Myrtti, arduinos are awesome |
| 10:54.20 | CosmoHill | s/build/compiled |
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| 10:54.26 | lcuk | what did you build with yours (or duncans) |
| 10:54.44 | Myrtti | nothing yet, but probably a tweeting doorbell |
| 10:55.24 | CosmoHill | what I'd like to do is finish the CLFS 1.2 and release it |
| 10:55.56 | lcuk | Myrtti, how are you finding it writing the sketches? |
| 10:57.14 | Myrtti | lcuk: well it would probably be easier if the board were a proper Arduino, then the instructions would work out of the box without the need to guess which pins work |
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| 10:58.34 | RST38h | Tweeting doorbell is two transistors and some extra junk =) |
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| 10:58.58 | lcuk | Myrtti, i know that feeling |
| 10:58.59 | RST38h | Unless you mean THE tweetering.com doorbell of course! |
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| 11:01.42 | Myrtti | RST38h: are you enjoying taking the fun out from my tinkering? :-< |
| 11:01.53 | Stskeeps | lbt: bs git backend would be great but it doesn't exist :/ it is probably a 'delivery 2.0' approach, but technically it can be handled with a fake obs approach as well (as described above) |
| 11:02.12 | RST38h | Myrtti: Yeah, and I steal candy from kids too! =)~ |
| 11:02.22 | Myrtti | figured |
| 11:02.47 | Stskeeps | lbt: it doesn't directly state anything about having anything but OBS using the git though, ie, outsides |
| 11:02.50 | Stskeeps | outsiders |
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| 11:04.18 | lbt | no... agreed |
| 11:05.00 | Stskeeps | bsgit seems a bit interesting though, from a "off the street contribution" pov |
| 11:05.58 | Stskeeps | but using the same set of tools, ie, osc, for both "newbie" and "professionals" may be better |
| 11:06.51 | lbt | *nod*... and in general having osc co do a git checkout also allows the same 'offline' commit |
| 11:07.01 | lbt | but ... waaaay in the future :) |
| 11:07.13 | Stskeeps | :nod: |
| 11:08.36 | lcuk | Stskeeps, management tooling is important |
| 11:08.44 | lcuk | is that the professionals banner |
| 11:09.06 | lbt | prepares for BOSS demo tomorrow |
| 11:09.10 | lbt | bbl8r |
| 11:09.37 | Stskeeps | cya |
| 11:09.40 | Stskeeps | heads off for dinner |
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| 11:31.38 | CosmoHill | balls, grub doesn;t like my kernel format |
| 11:32.00 | CosmoHill | more balls, I wasn't looking and it booted windows |
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| 11:50.16 | CosmoHill | finds "make defconfig" for the kernel |
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| 12:09.29 | ali1234 | Stskeeps: build finished. where do the rpms come out? |
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| 12:10.19 | ali1234 | nvm, it's on the wiki |
| 12:10.19 | GeCCe_- | Hi |
| 12:11.07 | ali1234 | Stskeeps: success, i got some rpms |
| 12:15.31 | ali1234 | now testing kernel... |
| 12:15.42 | ali1234 | looks like it all works... sweet |
| 12:16.26 | ali1234 | so apart from the meego-1.2.conf thing it works |
| 12:16.37 | ali1234 | and the missing files spam was just an annoyance |
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| 12:25.45 | ali1234 | so it doesn't look like the missing config is bugreported |
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| 12:28.36 | nasa01 | Anyone know what "The setup of repository is broken, build not possible" means relative to OBS? |
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| 12:35.53 | ali1234 | looks like build from 1.3 has meego-1.2.conf |
| 12:36.09 | ali1234 | oh, and meego-trunk.conf |
| 12:36.15 | ali1234 | so fixed in 1.3 i guess |
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| 13:38.10 | topro | hi, just realized: where have 1.2.90 pinetrail images gone? |
| 13:39.21 | Stskeeps | broken images |
| 13:40.50 | topro | so tables has not been discarded *phew* |
| 13:41.11 | topro | just remembered of some rumors lately |
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| 13:44.55 | annma | I have one from 9 August and it's OK |
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| 13:45.19 | annma | a tablet ia32 one |
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| 14:05.38 | nasa01 | So, can one use OBS on the weekends? It seems to have a history of breaking during them... |
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| 14:09.23 | arfoll | nasa01: RE are trying to make sure you have a nice weekend. |
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| 15:58.06 | lcuk | so how would a meego product actually look |
| 15:58.20 | lcuk | since Stskeeps is working on the core aspects which aren't a product |
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| 15:58.32 | lcuk | without something to actually make use of all these elements |
| 15:59.18 | lcuk | where would the actual backing come from? would the product aim to be released from various vendors |
| 15:59.49 | lcuk | or would it not be feasible to make an actual product |
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| 16:01.31 | Stskeeps | lcuk: core + hw adaptation + ui |
| 16:01.53 | lcuk | scope, I thought you weren't doing any ui? |
| 16:02.01 | Stskeeps | you asked how a meego product looked |
| 16:02.10 | lcuk | ahh yes |
| 16:02.28 | lcuk | i thought you were saying where your expertise would be |
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| 16:02.39 | lcuk | since you do core+ adaption now |
| 16:02.55 | Venemo | lcuk, "the grand plan" is that Intel (with the help of Stskeeps) does the core part of MeeGo and some reference UXes |
| 16:03.06 | lcuk | Stskeeps, I have a load of pages of notes about a professional grade meego product |
| 16:03.17 | lcuk | Venemo, screw reference ux |
| 16:03.19 | lcuk | i want a product |
| 16:03.42 | lcuk | if others want to use it beyond the initial then great |
| 16:03.48 | lcuk | but if a job is worth doing |
| 16:03.50 | Venemo | lcuk, so that when a manufacturer chooses to use MeeGo, they must make their own "hardware adaptation" (drivers), and they have the option to make their own UX or reuse pieces of one of the "reference" UXes. |
| 16:04.26 | lcuk | Venemo, are google apps called "reference" |
| 16:04.31 | lcuk | or are they the defacto ones |
| 16:04.51 | Venemo | lcuk, not sure what you mean by google apps |
| 16:04.55 | lcuk | on android |
| 16:05.00 | Stskeeps | lcuk: heh, you can only use those if you pass android compliance |
| 16:05.01 | Venemo | ah. |
| 16:05.03 | lcuk | maps for instance |
| 16:05.08 | lcuk | is not a reference baseline app |
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| 16:05.25 | Venemo | not sure what they are called, but there are some "apps" that google just forces on their cusomers |
| 16:05.27 | lcuk | Stskeeps, I know |
| 16:05.41 | lcuk | Venemo, I don't want to make a reference |
| 16:05.46 | lcuk | i want to make the real thing |
| 16:05.50 | Venemo | lcuk, then go and make it |
| 16:05.56 | Venemo | lcuk, I will definitely not stop you from doing so! |
| 16:07.01 | lcuk | Venemo, is the meego harmattan ux considered reference? |
| 16:07.13 | lcuk | or is that a product |
| 16:07.13 | Stskeeps | no, as it's not free |
| 16:07.19 | Stskeeps | reference = something you can reuse |
| 16:07.39 | lcuk | Stskeeps, i am sure with enough money anything is reusable |
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| 16:08.34 | digitalmonkey | TOPIC |
| 16:08.54 | digitalmonkey | TOPIC gpsfake on meego |
| 16:08.54 | lcuk | Stskeeps, just starting the conversation |
| 16:09.03 | lcuk | because making a product is going to be important |
| 16:09.28 | Venemo | lcuk, yeah, Harmattan UX is a product |
| 16:09.34 | Venemo | lcuk, MeeGo Handset UX is a reference UX. |
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| 16:10.58 | lcuk | Venemo, so how do we get vendors onboard to actually create a product |
| 16:11.14 | Stskeeps | we make them able to easily make it so |
| 16:11.15 | lcuk | we have a range of devices in various stages |
| 16:11.17 | lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Developer_Devices |
| 16:11.27 | SpeedEvil | A) Hand them ten million dollars. |
| 16:12.00 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, we want a product |
| 16:12.09 | lcuk | just throwing money without a plan won't help |
| 16:12.17 | lcuk | long term anyway |
| 16:12.42 | Venemo | lcuk, the idea is to make their work (eg. creating one's own UX) and easy enoughjob |
| 16:13.02 | Venemo | and show them that if they use MeeGo, the customers will buy their products. |
| 16:13.03 | lcuk | Venemo, there is another way |
| 16:13.08 | Venemo | and this latter area is what's lacking. |
| 16:13.09 | lcuk | there are whole teams of meego people |
| 16:13.17 | lcuk | who could work together with direction |
| 16:13.24 | lcuk | to make a proper meego product to be proud of |
| 16:13.27 | Venemo | of course, the community could work together to create a MeeGo product |
| 16:13.37 | Venemo | see eg. smoku's efforts on the Cordia Tab |
| 16:13.59 | SpeedEvil | Hijacking commercial hardware that is open-by-design may be interesting. |
| 16:14.19 | lcuk | Venemo, what if it wasn't community based? |
| 16:14.31 | Venemo | lcuk, well, that would be the ideal! |
| 16:14.33 | digitalmonkey | On the automobile side, there are industry groups who embraced Meego as their development platform. GENIVI |
| 16:15.04 | lcuk | Venemo, but involved all the companies who came together initially |
| 16:15.21 | lcuk | afterall: work would be wanted completing on time! |
| 16:15.26 | Venemo | lcuk, I'm not sure how you or me could achieve that. |
| 16:15.28 | lcuk | and community you can ask and put up stuff |
| 16:15.39 | lcuk | but not quite the same as a work thing |
| 16:15.50 | ali1234 | make some friends in china |
| 16:15.51 | lcuk | Venemo, that is what I am trying to find out |
| 16:15.56 | ali1234 | have them design a cheapola phone for you |
| 16:16.02 | lcuk | i have product idea |
| 16:16.12 | lcuk | i need help in making it a real proposal |
| 16:16.16 | arfoll | digitalmonkey: no, meego simply is one of the GENIVI dev platforms. right alongside an Intel alternative from windriver.... |
| 16:16.19 | lcuk | then need work to make it into a product |
| 16:16.24 | lcuk | and that involves business |
| 16:16.49 | lcuk | and something I have never seen around are example collaborative business plans etc |
| 16:17.06 | lcuk | infact I have never seen a proper filled out business plan |
| 16:17.12 | lcuk | but that is beside the point |
| 16:17.18 | ali1234 | that's because collaborative business plans are dumb and never work |
| 16:17.45 | lcuk | ali1234, i have a whole set of things and keypoints required for making a roadmap |
| 16:17.52 | Venemo | lcuk, elaborate your product idea please :) |
| 16:18.17 | lcuk | Venemo, why? I have been talking about it for years in different respects |
| 16:18.25 | lcuk | but I have never done anything about it professionally |
| 16:18.27 | ali1234 | lcuk: you are in the perfect position then to see meego from the POV of a vendor and tell us what we need to do to make your job easier |
| 16:18.37 | lcuk | ali1234, indeed |
| 16:18.38 | digitalmonkey | arfoll: Thanks for clarification. |
| 16:18.44 | Venemo | lcuk, are you talking about the Liq home UX you talked about yesterday? |
| 16:19.08 | lcuk | Venemo, partly yes |
| 16:19.17 | Venemo | lcuk, what would be the other part? |
| 16:20.07 | lcuk | well to make a complete product requires deeper integration and component building |
| 16:20.20 | Venemo | indeed. |
| 16:20.29 | lcuk | Venemo, there are things which are not yet in liqbase |
| 16:20.34 | lcuk | but only written in notes |
| 16:20.44 | lcuk | because I am not skilled enough to code them |
| 16:20.45 | ali1234 | notes in liqbase? |
| 16:20.54 | lcuk | ali1234, liqbwas was written to make notes |
| 16:21.02 | ali1234 | i know, i was making a joke |
| 16:21.12 | ali1234 | i'll get my coat |
| 16:21.24 | lcuk | the last note actually says "need bigger paper" |
| 16:21.36 | ali1234 | i think you just write too big |
| 16:21.39 | lcuk | because I was lay in the countryside on the side of a hill writing |
| 16:21.45 | ali1234 | i've seen some of the screenshots, it's like one word per note |
| 16:21.46 | lcuk | ali1234, was using my n900 |
| 16:22.09 | lcuk | ali1234, visible from orbit, when I write technical and detailed it is smaller :) |
| 16:22.27 | lcuk | but often only one or two words are required to remind me |
| 16:22.55 | lcuk | anyway, i will need to somehow try to write a real product spec from these notes |
| 16:23.03 | ali1234 | what do you mean by product? |
| 16:23.05 | ali1234 | hardware? |
| 16:23.05 | lcuk | and business plan |
| 16:23.22 | ali1234 | both of those things are outside the scope of meego imo |
| 16:23.22 | lcuk | ali1234, a product is a combination of components, hardware and software |
| 16:23.32 | lcuk | ali1234, without a product there is no meego |
| 16:23.47 | ali1234 | meego is not about building products |
| 16:23.55 | lcuk | *blink* |
| 16:23.59 | lcuk | then what is it? |
| 16:24.17 | ali1234 | this has been repeated ad nausium |
| 16:24.26 | lcuk | and once more |
| 16:24.39 | ali1234 | meego is a base system from which hardware vendors such as yourself can build a product |
| 16:24.57 | lcuk | so if no vendors are using it to make products |
| 16:25.00 | lcuk | what is its use? |
| 16:25.03 | ali1234 | then meego fails |
| 16:25.10 | ali1234 | it's use is precisely nothing |
| 16:26.00 | lcuk | then how do I make these notes into a proper spec and product proposal |
| 16:26.14 | ali1234 | you'd have to ask a business advisor about that one |
| 16:26.27 | lcuk | right |
| 16:26.42 | Venemo | what the...? someone at asus has read my wish list? http://www.asus.com/Eee/Eee_Pad/Eee_Pad_Slider_SL101/ |
| 16:27.00 | Venemo | they only missed on item on my wish list, that is MeeGo :P |
| 16:27.07 | Venemo | s/on/one |
| 16:28.53 | arfoll | lol how to not upset intel by making an arm powered netbook... |
| 16:29.15 | ali1234 | keyboard looks horrible, seriously |
| 16:29.25 | lcuk | arfoll, a product would include large form factor devices too! |
| 16:29.43 | lcuk | has intel 20" device waiting for meego |
| 16:30.03 | lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Developer_Devices |
| 16:30.05 | arfoll | lcuk: i was talking about the eepad slider |
| 16:30.27 | lcuk | afk anyway |
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| 16:31.10 | ali1234 | anyway, you should not buy arm stuff until the SoC vendors get their act together and sort out some kind of sensible device framework |
| 16:31.27 | Venemo | ali1234, what do you mean by that? |
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| 16:31.48 | ali1234 | see linus comments on lkml and other places |
| 16:31.50 | arfoll | soc vendors & sensible... might be a while ;-) |
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| 16:33.36 | Venemo | well, there is a MeeGo adaptation for Tegra 2 afaict |
| 16:33.37 | ali1234 | i don't want to use words like "bios" and "upnp" because everyone hates that stuff |
| 16:33.48 | Venemo | the bigger problem is that this gadget costs a hell a lot of money. |
| 16:33.58 | ali1234 | but even the win95 implementation of upnp is literally 20 years ahead of what arm has today, which is nothing |
| 16:34.06 | ali1234 | i don't mean upnp do it? |
| 16:34.08 | ali1234 | i mean PnP |
| 16:36.10 | ali1234 | even if there was one standard per vendor it would be a big improvement |
| 16:36.14 | ali1234 | but there isn't even that |
| 16:36.42 | Venemo | mhm |
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| 16:37.02 | Venemo | a pity that this stuff isn't an Atom |
| 16:37.17 | Venemo | but the form factor is exactly what I would prefer. |
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| 16:38.56 | Venemo | HMM, rumour has it that the machine will be produced with an Atom too! HA! |
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| 17:15.13 | lcuk | Venemo, which navigation tool/package would a reference meego ux use? and where would a company shop for alternatives? |
| 17:15.51 | Venemo_N950 | not sure |
| 17:16.41 | Venemo_N950 | there are some community navigation tools, but not one developed by intel or nokia (nokia developed a properitary one, but not a reference one obviously) |
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| 17:40.15 | timoph | lcuk: is maemo mapper (can't remember what it was renamed to) still alive? |
| 17:41.57 | lcuk | timoph, not sure |
| 17:42.10 | lcuk | that would be something for the CE to investigate |
| 17:42.16 | timoph | yep |
| 17:42.26 | Stskeeps | mappero |
| 17:42.39 | Stskeeps | i vote for cloudgps instead though |
| 17:42.56 | lcuk | :D Damian is awesome |
| 17:43.08 | lcuk | Stskeeps, not sure how well it works on n900-ce and n950-ce yet? |
| 17:43.34 | lcuk | afaik it had maemoisms - I think he might have n950 harmattan build |
| 17:43.37 | lcuk | cannot recall |
| 17:45.07 | lcuk | Stskeeps, it is ok for community build, but how do we advance it upto professional product grade? |
| 17:45.22 | Stskeeps | dunno |
| 17:45.48 | lcuk | I think I know and all relates to the earlier talk of seeing business advisor |
| 17:46.04 | lcuk | Luke starts college tomorrow |
| 17:46.11 | lcuk | a whole new set of challenges for him :) |
| 17:46.38 | Stskeeps | there's a place and a time for everything - and that's college |
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| 17:48.38 | CosmoHill | lcuk: good luck to him |
| 17:48.46 | CosmoHill | my cousin starts her work exp on tuesday |
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| 17:58.37 | mingwandroid | X-Fade: Hi, can I pm you? |
| 18:03.15 | CosmoHill | mingwandroid: is it about the community OBS? |
| 18:03.30 | mingwandroid | CosmoHill: yes. |
| 18:03.40 | CosmoHill | you might see if lbt is around as he can also help |
| 18:05.42 | mingwandroid | lbt: ping |
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| 18:07.04 | CosmoHill | wonders about learning a new programming language |
| 18:07.52 | timoph | cobol? |
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| 18:08.13 | lcuk | CosmoHill, learn c |
| 18:08.18 | lcuk | properly |
| 18:08.33 | timoph | c is a good choice |
| 18:08.34 | CosmoHill | I already know C / C++ |
| 18:08.46 | berndhs_meego | He said _new_ |
| 18:08.49 | CosmoHill | you mean improve it |
| 18:09.01 | berndhs_meego | ⬠is older than cosmo |
| 18:09.07 | lcuk | CosmoHill, which c code have you done? |
| 18:09.10 | lcuk | hi berndhs_meego \o |
| 18:09.14 | timoph | try the new c++ standard |
| 18:09.41 | timoph | it has some nice features in it |
| 18:09.58 | timoph | like the auto keyword |
| 18:10.19 | berndhs_meego | Yes should make more readable code |
| 18:10.31 | CosmoHill | lcuk: I've not done any real world programming but for uni I've used it for parralel computing and datasctruces and algorithms |
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| 18:10.45 | thiago | C++11 is only 1400 pages long |
| 18:11.13 | CosmoHill | reading it would probably be faster than trying to get a compiler that supports it on my aging mac |
| 18:11.17 | CosmoHill | ageing* |
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| 18:11.36 | timoph | :) |
| 18:11.45 | CosmoHill | I've been looking at squirrel, F# and miniD / any on wikipedia |
| 18:11.48 | thiago | no compiler exists that supports it entirely |
| 18:12.02 | CosmoHill | that kinda backs up my point |
| 18:12.10 | thiago | heck, we've only just got compilers that support C++98/03 entirely |
| 18:12.19 | thiago | and only the modern ones support TR1 |
| 18:13.43 | berndhs_meego | Im just wating for 0 to be != nullptr :) |
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| 18:14.39 | timoph | that is a good change |
| 18:15.42 | berndhs_meego | Wont happn for a long time, the effect would be spectacular |
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| 18:17.03 | thiago | 0 will be convertible to all pointers in C++11 |
| 18:17.14 | thiago | the difference is that nullptr cannot be converted to integers |
| 18:17.44 | berndhs_meego | Right |
| 18:18.57 | CosmoHill | currently I'm just looking at programming languages with cool names :/ |
| 18:19.24 | lcuk | CosmoHill, heh |
| 18:19.41 | CosmoHill | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3a/FalconplLogo.png I mean just check that their logo |
| 18:20.16 | timoph | :) |
| 18:21.41 | lcuk | what are ICS using meego for? |
| 18:25.10 | berndhs_meego | Whats ics? |
| 18:26.31 | thiago | a company |
| 18:26.39 | berndhs_meego | Ah |
| 18:26.54 | CosmoHill | not that IT training company? |
| 18:27.06 | thiago | ICS does trainings yes |
| 18:29.01 | arfoll | they do purple tshirts |
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| 18:38.00 | lcuk | thiago, do you know of any qt apis for character recognition? |
| 18:38.52 | lcuk | is going to get Tracy to transcribe his notes in shorttime |
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| 18:42.40 | CosmoHill | gets confused by the lack of termination in falcon |
| 18:43.08 | CosmoHill | whenever I'm helping people program in C / C++ I always remind them to finish their lines with a semi |
| 18:43.26 | CosmoHill | lcuk: translate them into what? |
| 18:44.05 | lcuk | CosmoHill, text, I normally don't mind but I have to use them as a basis for a spec |
| 18:44.15 | lcuk | reads handwriting everyday |
| 18:44.35 | lbt | mingwandroid: pong |
| 18:45.49 | lcuk | synchronisation worked a treat. as I was writing them on the hilltop they were arriving on my wallmount and were there when I got back |
| 18:45.52 | lcuk | impressed by that |
| 18:46.35 | lcuk | ball it needs is a nice new message notification :) |
| 18:48.25 | mingwandroid | lbt: hey |
| 18:48.39 | lbt | hi |
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| 18:54.47 | mingwandroid | I've been talking to vgrade and have decided to throw my hat into the ring on a bit of MeeGo on Advent Vega work. |
| 18:55.15 | mingwandroid | He mentioned the Community OBS and I'd like to get an account setup if possible? |
| 18:56.58 | thiago | lcuk: for OCR? No, sorry. |
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| 19:02.46 | lbt | mingwandroid: sure.... |
| 19:03.13 | lbt | so it sounds like it's all open source - I need your meego.com account |
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| 19:06.30 | lbt | ok higlight me when you're back |
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| 19:09.28 | mingwandroid | lbt: sorry, doing too many things at once. my meego (and real) name is raydonnelly |
| 19:09.46 | lbt | done |
| 19:09.50 | lbt | have fun :) |
| 19:10.11 | mingwandroid | thanks, MeeGo's a whole new world to look into ;-) |
| 19:10.22 | lbt | oh yeah |
| 19:11.08 | mingwandroid | I've been doing android before. Can I ask some questions about community OBS (and can I abbreviate it to COBS ;-)) |
| 19:11.22 | lbt | I do |
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| 19:27.44 | mingwandroid | can I get the COBS to point at and build from git repos on different servers? Or does it provide user git repos? |
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| 19:34.40 | CosmoHill | gives vgrade a cookie for adding the links to the device page |
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| 19:39.00 | CosmoHill | grumbles cos he started learning falcon then hit a problem he can't fix |
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| 19:59.59 | lbt | mingwandroid: at the moment c.obs uses tarballs, not git repos |
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| 20:00.23 | lbt | we have a mechanism to link to git repos |
| 20:00.31 | lbt | it's not deployed yet |
| 20:01.39 | lbt | our Release Engineering team are ..... traditional :) Apparently if quilt and patches were good enough for their grandads then by god they're good enough for you! |
| 20:02.04 | lcuk | lbt, uphill both ways at weekends too! |
| 20:03.02 | SpeedEvil | lbt: rcs? |
| 20:04.09 | lbt | SpeedEvil: nah, I think they use sccs to store versions of the gzipped tarballs |
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| 20:12.28 | Umeaboy | Hi! |
| 20:12.50 | Umeaboy | Now that I've rooted my SGS 2 is it possible to dual-boot Megoo on it? |
| 20:13.29 | Umeaboy | Samsung Galaxy S2. |
| 20:13.36 | Umeaboy | The bootloader IS open. |
| 20:13.53 | Umeaboy | I've flashed ClockworkMod Xrecovery on it. |
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| 20:16.00 | thiago | yes, if you do the effort of making it work |
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| 20:18.43 | CosmoHill | is getting on well with falcon |
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| 20:25.09 | javispedro | there seems to be kinda connectivity problems with maemo.org frm the COBS |
| 20:25.46 | javispedro | slow downloads, half of the time it just doesn't work, the other half it prints out stuff like "connect to api.obs.maemo.org: No route to host" |
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| 20:34.45 | Umeaboy | thiago: OK. How does one start? |
| 20:34.57 | Umeaboy | I have done backup. |
| 20:35.09 | dm8tbr | a) learn coding |
| 20:35.09 | Umeaboy | At least I think I have. |
| 20:35.20 | dm8tbr | b) learn about the hardware |
| 20:35.20 | thiago | Umeaboy: first step is to figure out what bootloader there is on the device |
| 20:35.30 | thiago | then figure out how to make it boot something else |
| 20:35.38 | Umeaboy | a): What's the easiest way finding out? |
| 20:35.38 | thiago | can it boot from an SD card? That's the easiest way. |
| 20:35.46 | Umeaboy | Ooooops. |
| 20:35.49 | thiago | dd the meego image to an SD card and boot. |
| 20:35.52 | Umeaboy | thiago: What's....... |
| 20:36.01 | Umeaboy | OK. |
| 20:36.03 | thiago | if it can't, then repartition the device and install meego |
| 20:36.10 | Umeaboy | The Handset-image, right? |
| 20:36.29 | dm8tbr | that presumes that there is a working hw adaptation for that phone |
| 20:36.33 | Umeaboy | Which .img? There are several. |
| 20:36.57 | thiago | the one that works for your device |
| 20:37.08 | thiago | if none works, you'll need to use the MeeGo Image Creator to create it. |
| 20:37.15 | Umeaboy | It says Nokia on the wiki........ |
| 20:37.26 | thiago | there's no wiki for your device |
| 20:37.30 | thiago | you need to figure out on your own |
| 20:37.31 | Umeaboy | Maybe I'm blind. |
| 20:38.08 | thiago | try a MeeGo Core image. Just boot to X. |
| 20:39.40 | Umeaboy | OK. |
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| 20:40.16 | Umeaboy | Where do I download the MeeGo Image Creator ? |
| 20:41.57 | berndhs | Umeaboy: there are repos, for example here http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/tools/repos/ |
| 20:43.33 | Umeaboy | I think my phone has armv71 |
| 20:43.41 | Umeaboy | So it seems to have support. |
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| 20:44.01 | Umeaboy | Can I test-boot it without doing any actual harm to the phone? |
| 20:44.11 | Umeaboy | There's no physical SD-card in it. |
| 20:45.25 | thiago | can the bootloader boot from a partition? |
| 20:45.39 | Umeaboy | Dunno. |
| 20:50.26 | dijital1 | which wifi chipset is used in the N950? |
| 20:51.38 | dm8tbr | wilink6 |
| 20:52.16 | dm8tbr | or is it even wilink7? |
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| 21:03.22 | vgrade | CosmoHill, thanks |
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| 21:20.25 | Alison_Chaiken | Slides from upcoming IVI talk: http://she-devel.com/MeeGo_Meetup_Sep7_2011.pdf |
| 21:20.33 | Alison_Chaiken | Suggestions and comments welcome! |
| 21:24.08 | dm8tbr | the How about MeeGo slide uses a Qt diagram? |
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| 21:24.54 | Alison_Chaiken | dm8tbr, to me, the hallmark of MeeGo for audiences that aren't familiar is "a smaller Linux with a Qt face." |
| 21:25.25 | Alison_Chaiken | Qt is the distinguishing feature of MeeGo, although Wayland is going to have a big impact, and personally I love Connman. |
| 21:25.49 | Alison_Chaiken | Do you have a MeeGo diagram to suggest, that's not boring? |
| 21:27.47 | dm8tbr | no, it just strikes me that the first mention of MeeGo shows Qt. I'm sure there is something showing flashy 'stuff' how meego is that 'business thing' that can make your ivi shine by 'leveraging' things like 'qt' etc |
| 21:28.57 | javispedro | is the iPhone-like picture necessary? ;) |
| 21:29.21 | dm8tbr | and I agree, qt is a central component, but meego is more |
| 21:30.45 | ali1234 | IVI is really supposed to be used for vehicle safety controls? |
| 21:31.35 | Alison_Chaiken | javispedro, which iPhone-like picture? All images of handsets are from others' talks. |
| 21:31.44 | javispedro | Alison_Chaiken: front slide one |
| 21:31.54 | javispedro | UI looks like Chinese iPhone clone ;) |
| 21:31.57 | Alison_Chaiken | ali1234, IVI will have a wide variety of uses. |
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| 21:32.22 | ali1234 | also, are there any plans to use nokia's terminal mode work? |
| 21:32.22 | Alison_Chaiken | javispedro, if you mean the title slide, that's a shipping MeeGo-preinstalled product. |
| 21:32.31 | lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, I saw a cute video recently of an ivi platform using touchscreen windows |
| 21:32.36 | Alison_Chaiken | Not by me. I think terminal mode is a no-go, myself. |
| 21:32.41 | lcuk | and the ui was on the window itself |
| 21:32.52 | javispedro | Alison_Chaiken: O.o! then by all means use it and forgot about what I said. |
| 21:32.53 | Alison_Chaiken | lcuk, I'd love to know about the video if you can find the link. |
| 21:32.54 | ali1234 | it's just reverse VNC. meego should be able to support it trivially |
| 21:34.07 | Alison_Chaiken | ali1234, I am well aware of what terminal mode is. It's more than VNC in a bad way. Terminal mode only runs on N97 mini Symbian handsets right now. I'm not joking! |
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| 21:34.57 | Alison_Chaiken | ali1234, I don't see the advantages of terminal mode over plain old VNC. I think it's a sly attempt by Nokia to promote Symbian, but I could be wrong. |
| 21:35.26 | Alison_Chaiken | At any rate, I believe that there's almost no activity around terminal mode, but I could be wrong. |
| 21:35.33 | ali1234 | terminal mode hardware in the cars isn't running symbian |
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| 21:35.51 | Alison_Chaiken | AFAIK, terminal mode has not been implemented by anyone on MeeGo, probably due to lack of interest. |
| 21:36.04 | dijital1 | currently the N950 is still only available to developers and only directly from Nokia correct? |
| 21:36.30 | lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, hold on, cannot quite find it yet |
| 21:36.38 | lcuk | why does this remind me of liqbase http://www.gsmdome.com/microsoft/nokia-windows-phone-7-interface-replaces-tiles-with-cube-in-concept-version-video_23470/attachment/live-cubes-600x285 |
| 21:36.50 | ali1234 | everything reminds you of liqbase |
| 21:37.08 | javispedro | oh, they changed the SLIDE animation with a ROTATING CUBE animation! |
| 21:37.21 | javispedro | elop wasn't lying when he was saying they had FREE way to customize WP7. |
| 21:37.39 | lcuk | ali1234, no |
| 21:37.48 | lcuk | the original liqbase used blue tiles :) |
| 21:38.15 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: Oooh - that reminds me of my linux desktop some decades ago... |
| 21:42.20 | lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, found it |
| 21:42.31 | lcuk | and note, jacob and I were drawing trees just last night |
| 21:42.32 | lcuk | Window to the World (CIID/Toyota) http://vimeo.com/25547151 |
| 21:43.41 | meegofreak | meego forum is dead ? |
| 21:43.59 | meegofreak | http://forum.meego.com |
| 21:44.13 | meegofreak | 50x (Server Error) Sorry, it looks like our servers are having trouble! Please try your request again or use the links below to report the issue. |
| 21:48.30 | javispedro | lcuk: quite boring considering it is about putting touchscreens and transparent LCD on windows... |
| 21:48.38 | javispedro | the only good idea was the zoom one.. |
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| 21:54.17 | lcuk | javispedro, just interesting from ivi perspective |
| 22:02.59 | CosmoHill | anyone here have falcon installed on their computer? |
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| 22:07.10 | Alison_Chaiken | lcuk, I wonder how much the replacement part is if that window breaks. |
| 22:07.20 | Alison_Chaiken | Prolly would cost more than my current car. |
| 22:10.48 | lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, yeah |
| 22:10.53 | lcuk | fun concept though |
| 22:11.11 | lcuk | wonders how much the funding for that would have been |
| 22:12.19 | Alison_Chaiken | The method for getting cool demos that CIID uses is easier than the method we HW hackers use. |
| 22:12.29 | Alison_Chaiken | I'll just animate my demos from now on. |
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| 22:15.00 | lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, lol |
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| 22:21.06 | DonaldShimoda | hey ali1234 , how you are? |
| 22:21.18 | DonaldShimoda | work your kernel? |
| 22:21.20 | ali1234 | i'm good |
| 22:21.24 | ali1234 | i got the kernel built |
| 22:21.35 | DonaldShimoda | congratulations |
| 22:21.42 | ali1234 | OBS and local |
| 22:22.00 | ali1234 | you can test these rpms: http://repo.pub.meego.com/home%3a/ali1234%3a/branches%3a/MeeGo.com%3a/MeeGo%3a/1.2%3a/oss/MeeGo_Trunk_standard/i586/ |
| 22:22.02 | DonaldShimoda | i dont, so i say god bye to meego for a while, maybe when they release a kernel supporting 2 GB out of the box i will try again |
| 22:22.16 | DonaldShimoda | sorry, i must uninstall meego |
| 22:23.04 | ali1234 | that kernel support 2GB |
| 22:23.10 | ali1234 | well, it shoudl anyway |
| 22:23.14 | DonaldShimoda | really? and netbok? |
| 22:23.18 | ali1234 | pinetrail |
| 22:23.21 | ali1234 | i made it just for you |
| 22:23.28 | ali1234 | i dunno if it will work |
| 22:23.32 | DonaldShimoda | .... |
| 22:23.35 | ali1234 | but it should |
| 22:23.40 | javispedro | what's so hard about 2GiB? HIGHMEM? what could it break? |
| 22:23.49 | DonaldShimoda | ok, will reinstall my netbook again |
| 22:23.51 | ali1234 | javispedro: not much i guess, but i can't test it |
| 22:23.58 | ali1234 | since i don't have 2GB |
| 22:24.03 | CosmoHill | javispedro: highmem and it's been filed as a bug by auke |
| 22:24.18 | javispedro | I'm not sure I'd enable HIGHMEM by default |
| 22:24.35 | ali1234 | it's only supposed to be enabled on pinetrail adaption |
| 22:24.41 | javispedro | ah. |
| 22:24.42 | ali1234 | according the bug |
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| 22:25.06 | javispedro | it was a small but noticeable performance hit on older CPUs (and thus probably atom..) |
| 22:25.44 | javispedro | stupid bugzilla being down |
| 22:26.02 | javispedro | I ponder.. |
| 22:26.05 | javispedro | bug #15553 |
| 22:26.30 | javispedro | crash and die and get an HTTP 500, MeeGoBot! |
| 22:28.11 | CosmoHill | i believe some of the other servers are down tonight too |
| 22:28.29 | ali1234 | forums |
| 22:28.41 | DonaldShimoda | ali1234, it have 177 mb, will take a while, will install and tell you |
| 22:28.44 | DonaldShimoda | thanks my friend! |
| 22:28.51 | ali1234 | noy ou don't need that one |
| 22:29.02 | DonaldShimoda | ah ok, no install debug info then |
| 22:29.03 | ali1234 | you just need kernel-adaptation-pinetrail-2.6.38.2-14.1.i586.rpm |
| 22:29.15 | DonaldShimoda | ok |
| 22:29.20 | DonaldShimoda | will reinstall and tell you |
| 22:29.32 | ali1234 | and you probably have to edit /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf to add it to boot menu |
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| 22:33.07 | DonaldShimoda | ups... wait, explain me a little more this |
| 22:33.12 | DonaldShimoda | i know nothing about extlinux |
| 22:35.17 | ali1234 | well just look in /boot |
| 22:35.34 | ali1234 | look at the extlinux.conf and copy the meego entry and make a new one for the new kernel |
| 22:36.06 | DonaldShimoda | ok, i will try |
| 22:36.08 | DonaldShimoda | thanks |
| 22:49.54 | DonaldShimoda | reinstalling meego |
| 22:50.55 | DonaldShimoda | i love meego install, beats any other linuxç |
| 22:51.16 | DonaldShimoda | ok, the tiome of the true |
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| 23:01.41 | DonaldShimoda | ali1234, is ok now i will paste the extlinux file |
| 23:02.45 | DonaldShimoda | http://pastebin.com/eyqDtRSJ |
| 23:02.51 | DonaldShimoda | ali1234, can you check, i think is ok |
| 23:03.07 | DonaldShimoda | ali1234, my doubt is , how will choice between two kernels, wich one will boot? |
| 23:03.20 | ali1234 | set prompt 1 timeout 10 |
| 23:03.26 | ali1234 | it will show a menu |
| 23:03.42 | ali1234 | yeah that looks ok |
| 23:03.43 | DonaldShimoda | ok thanks! |
| 23:04.09 | DonaldShimoda | theres no default set? |
| 23:04.28 | ali1234 | i dunno |
| 23:04.32 | ali1234 | gues not |
| 23:05.30 | DonaldShimoda | well,. it dont ask but load your kernel and YES i have 2GB! |
| 23:05.44 | DonaldShimoda | thanks man! you bring me again to meego |
| 23:06.14 | ali1234 | you're welcome |
| 23:06.27 | ali1234 | if you install any updates it will probably wipe the extlinux.conf |
| 23:06.38 | ali1234 | hopefully any updates will fix this anyway though |
| 23:06.48 | ali1234 | you'll want to use pinetrail kernel too, it's better for your hardware |
| 23:06.58 | DonaldShimoda | great advice, thanks! |
| 23:07.18 | DonaldShimoda | will start to configure all i need, virtualbox, wine, community repo, etc |
| 23:07.24 | DonaldShimoda | thanks , i will come bakc later |
| 23:07.24 | ali1234 | heh |
| 23:07.32 | ali1234 | you might have difficulty with some of that stuff |
| 23:07.34 | ali1234 | idk |
| 23:07.42 | DonaldShimoda | i do before, dont woory |
| 23:07.45 | DonaldShimoda | worry |
| 23:08.06 | DonaldShimoda | the last time i do all this and discover after all it only recognize 878 kb... hehe |
| 23:08.14 | DonaldShimoda | now i have my full ram so theres no prob |
| 23:08.22 | DonaldShimoda | see you later, thanks again! |
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| 23:14.47 | gouchi | Hi |
| 23:14.51 | gouchi | hopes this is not true |
| 23:14.59 | gouchi | http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20110901PD217.html |
| 23:17.17 | DonaldShimoda | gouchi, is not the primer rumor rigth? before say nokia left the project and then they say n900 with meego |
| 23:17.45 | gouchi | yes yes |
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| 23:32.46 | Umeaboy | thiago & berndhs: Did you mean this when you tasked about the MeeGo Image Creator? http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/tools/repos/meego/1.1/src/meego-packaging-tools-0.6-3.2.src.rpm |
| 23:34.43 | berndhs | Umeaboy: its' called mic2, in noarch/ |
| 23:34.53 | berndhs | if I remember right |
| 23:35.49 | Umeaboy | berndhs: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/tools/repos/meego/1.1/noarch/mic2-0.24.14-2.1.noarch.rpm ? |
| 23:36.09 | berndhs | yes if you want to run it on meego |
| 23:36.17 | Umeaboy | OK. |
| 23:36.29 | Umeaboy | What do I have to do when THAT'S installed? |
| 23:36.46 | Umeaboy | Connect the phone with USB-debugging-mode on, but then what? |
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| 23:37.14 | berndhs | if you want to run it on something else, it would be in .../repos/fedora/15/... or .../repos/ubuntu/... |
| 23:38.02 | berndhs | meego image creator lets you generate boot images that you can load |
| 23:38.36 | berndhs | how you load that on your device, I don't know |
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| 23:41.31 | Umeaboy | berndhs: OK. |
| 23:41.54 | Umeaboy | Gotta switch to Mageia. I'll be Bach. |
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| 23:44.27 | arfoll | anyones noticed the meego forum is down? |
| 23:44.41 | arfoll | weird because OBS is still up ;-) |
| 23:45.06 | gouchi | DonaldShimod : not confirmed by Phoronix http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTg2OQ |
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