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| 06:13.14 | maour | Does anyone tried MeeGo on an All-in-one system ? |
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| 06:28.56 | dm8tbr | maour: what would that be? |
| 06:29.13 | maour | dm8tbr: All-on-one ? |
| 06:29.23 | dm8tbr | yes |
| 06:29.47 | maour | as it names says , it a complete pc in a monitor ;) |
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| 06:31.18 | dm8tbr | architecture, hardware specifics, chipsets, cpus, ... etc |
| 06:31.37 | dm8tbr | without that the answer is 'possibly', plus minus supported components |
| 06:34.20 | maour | dm8tbr: there is some all-in-one systems on the market , for example msi,gigabyte,asus, .. . i tryed meego-tablet on msi but it doesn't work at all ! |
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| 06:35.50 | dm8tbr | maour: msi is a brand, not a specific model. if you intend to be that vague and non technical I don't think there is reason to discuss this further |
| 06:35.52 | maour | dm8tbr: actually touch input doesn't work !! i saw zone place |
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| 06:36.25 | djszapi | maour: maybe if you know the exact type, you can look for it. MeeGo is not universal yet :) |
| 06:36.30 | dm8tbr | and now you contradict yourself 'not at all' and 'touch input doesn't work' are two _very_ _very_ different things |
| 06:36.48 | maour | yes , sorry. |
| 06:36.59 | maour | actually touch input doesn't work |
| 06:37.27 | dm8tbr | that could be as easy as a missing config option |
| 06:37.58 | dm8tbr | what I'd do is try a tablet image. it should have at least the touch driver for the exopc. you never know. |
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| 06:38.05 | dm8tbr | but more likely you'll end up fixing the config |
| 06:38.23 | dm8tbr | or even recompiling parts to add support for the given input device |
| 06:39.00 | maour | o , i didn't know about touch driver , you mean if i install an oridnary linux distro , it wouldn't work ? |
| 06:40.00 | djszapi | maour: if everything worked inside the linux kernel, there would be no development. New things usually need some investigation. :) |
| 06:41.23 | maour | for meego , nVIDIA is better or ATI ? |
| 06:41.53 | djszapi | or intel :D |
| 06:42.22 | maour | well , most of all-in-one system use nVIDIA or ATi |
| 06:42.30 | vvaltone | intel and pvr are the only ones with drivers |
| 06:42.48 | vvaltone | in the image itself that is |
| 06:43.05 | vvaltone | nvidia will rather suck with wayland too |
| 06:43.37 | djszapi | really ? |
| 06:43.52 | vvaltone | how would it not? |
| 06:44.03 | vvaltone | unless you want to run wayland ontop of x11 |
| 06:44.30 | djszapi | well, nvidia is not special regarding that what I meant. |
| 06:44.55 | maour | what do you think about this hardware ? GraphicsIntegrated Intel HD Graphics :) http://www.msi.com/product/aio/Wind-Top-AE2040.html#?div=Overview |
| 06:45.29 | vvaltone | anyway, I have a AMD E-350 myself and the big issue with open drivers on it is that the operation temps go rather high |
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| 06:45.46 | vvaltone | catalyst is 20C lower on idle |
| 06:46.32 | djszapi | I do not think nvidia is specially wrong about it. You need to create contexts, etc pretty much with all of them. |
| 06:47.01 | vvaltone | I only meant that there's the meego push to wayland in 1.3 |
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| 06:50.48 | vvaltone | maour, I guess those are cpu integrated ones |
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| 07:05.00 | djszapi | vvaltone: what compositor does meego use if any ? |
| 07:05.18 | djszapi | ahhh there is a meegotouch-compositor. |
| 07:07.24 | vvaltone | yeah, the abomination called mcompositor |
| 07:08.02 | vvaltone | I don't recommend looking at it, it causes madness |
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| 07:57.21 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:57.23 | Jaffa | lbt: pong |
| 07:57.39 | djszapi | Jaffa: 6 packages are fine for harmattan :p |
| 07:57.48 | djszapi | we could maybe sync up in order to avoid the duplications if any. |
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| 08:39.30 | RzR950 | anyone read chinease here ? http://news.imobile.com.cn/index-a-view-id-94212.html |
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| 08:42.28 | Stskeepz | looks fake |
| 08:43.38 | vvaltone | heh, microsoft would never allow that |
| 08:43.57 | djszapi | I saw N11 last night :) |
| 08:44.36 | vvaltone | Let me rename my exopc to N12 quick |
| 08:44.43 | vvaltone | convenient pocket sized phone |
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| 08:56.21 | djszapi | Jaffa: does the harmattan target work for you now ? |
| 08:56.41 | djszapi | It does zero here, just peding building without any output, nor result. |
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| 08:59.47 | djszapi | vvaltone: this is the origin I guess: http://mynokiablog.com/2011/07/10/my-dream-nokia-29-nokia-n10-triple-boot-android-meego-harmattan-windows-phone-mango-concept/ |
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| 09:02.59 | seif | hey guys |
| 09:03.02 | seif | i got the sandbox |
| 09:03.06 | seif | i mean |
| 09:03.08 | seif | scratchbox |
| 09:03.16 | Jaffa | djszapi: It did last time I built anything (last week) |
| 09:03.19 | seif | can some1 tell me how i can cross compile and install stuff |
| 09:03.34 | djszapi | Jaffa: yeah, me too, but not today. |
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| 09:04.20 | vvaltone | Nice how 'not MicroSIM' is in the features :) |
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| 09:05.13 | jykae | haz n950 |
| 09:06.46 | jykae | hmm, doesn't want to turn to portrait mode |
| 09:07.01 | jykae | i mean landscape |
| 09:07.06 | RzR950 | jykae: congratz can you /j #950 |
| 09:08.12 | amjad_ | any one going to that meego mediterrian summit in malta?? |
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| 09:09.53 | lcuk | Stskeepz, so I got the sgx on my machine (using the same instructions Sage offered last night for the calculator) |
| 09:10.24 | Stskeepz | ok |
| 09:10.25 | lcuk | sets about reading it and looking for gatepost bug |
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| 09:45.09 | djszapi | lbt: something is wrong about the community OBS, harmattan target. It does not build anything, it does not provide any build output and everything seems to fail even which worked previously. |
| 09:45.27 | lbt | hmm |
| 09:46.02 | djszapi | for instance: if you click on the building link, there is no output and after a quite while: I keep getting they are failed. https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?arch_armv7el=1&building=1&defaults=0&project=home%3Adjszapi&repo_MeeGo_1_2_Harmattan=1 |
| 09:46.26 | djszapi | but no error output why they failed etc, not sure what I could do on my side. |
| 09:46.35 | djszapi | lbt ^ |
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| 09:50.42 | lbt | the xen vm isn't running |
| 09:52.13 | djszapi | lbt: what is the next step to proceed ? |
| 09:52.20 | lbt | I'm looking |
| 09:52.54 | lbt | X-Fade: ping |
| 09:53.17 | djszapi | lbt: people told me that on #obs, the other targets work them just fine. |
| 09:53.58 | lbt | ? |
| 09:54.14 | lbt | the opensuse room? |
| 09:54.26 | djszapi | lbt: yep, they do not use meego, but obs works for them. |
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| 09:55.13 | lbt | yeah. It's a bit like going to a fedora room to ask about an ubuntu bug.... only relevant if it's an upstream |
| 09:55.41 | lbt | and in this case it's more like asking in fedora-ops why the ubuntu website is slow :) |
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| 09:56.28 | djszapi | I am just trying to provide as much information as possible to the obs matter. |
| 09:56.54 | lbt | :) ... just saying why it's not worth bothering #obs |
| 09:57.04 | djszapi | lbt: Also there was similar issue this morning and then it got working for 1-2 hours and then again this state. |
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| 09:57.40 | lbt | I think I may have to hand this to X-Fade |
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| 09:58.04 | lbt | it's not obvious (crashed worker) and too busy to look at it right now |
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| 09:58.37 | lbt | djszapi: so we don't forget, can you file a bug on it |
| 09:59.16 | djszapi | lbt: sure but, if takes more days... I will be a bit disappointed really :) |
| 09:59.46 | lbt | djszapi: Harmattan is experimental still. Sorry about that. |
| 10:00.03 | djszapi | lbt: right, so such issues exist only on Harmattan ? |
| 10:00.12 | lbt | AFAIK |
| 10:01.26 | djszapi | lbt: aren't X-Fade on a very long holiday ? :) |
| 10:01.42 | djszapi | lbt: What is the bugtracker address for these things, the meego one ? |
| 10:01.54 | djszapi | * isn't |
| 10:01.56 | lbt | no, we're just very very busy |
| 10:01.58 | lbt | (hint) |
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| 10:03.06 | niala | morning |
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| 10:36.18 | vvaltone | People's Liberation Army |
| 10:37.01 | leinir | product loan agreement, if you are talking about what i think you might be :) |
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| 10:53.01 | djszapi | lbt: How about this error ? https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=raptor2&project=home%3Adjszapi&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan The package clearly has the libxml2 dependency in the dsc file and it does not even try to install that. That is available on Harmattan as the part of the platform. |
| 10:54.15 | djszapi | Actually, all my packages are failing to build which has the libxml2-dev dependency. |
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| 11:00.28 | lbt | djszapi: didn't see a bug report yet |
| 11:01.14 | djszapi | lbt: well it is another OBS bug :) |
| 11:01.19 | lcuk | vgrade, can you grok the specs of this http://www.noteslate.com/index02.htm |
| 11:01.26 | lbt | 2 reports then :) |
| 11:01.38 | djszapi | lbt: so you have no clue, you are saying that ? |
| 11:01.45 | lbt | no |
| 11:01.49 | lbt | I'm saying I have no time |
| 11:02.03 | lbt | and if there is no bug report I won't have anything to come back to later |
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| 11:02.21 | djszapi | lbt: well I asked for the bugtracker page, you did not answer |
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| 11:02.33 | lbt | djszapi: no, I didn't |
| 11:03.13 | lbt | telling you how to log bugs is not something I have time to do either |
| 11:03.15 | lcuk | https://bugs.meego.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Community%20Build%20Service |
| 11:03.29 | lcuk | I guess would be right |
| 11:03.51 | lbt | I do appreciate you reporting problems with the OBS and I'm sorry I'm being short with you |
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| 11:04.01 | lbt | but I am really busy right now. |
| 11:04.24 | djszapi | hard to report without knowing the bugtracker (It is not mentioned on the wikipage of c-obs!) |
| 11:04.32 | lbt | please do some investigation, find out (on your own) how to log a (good!) bug and then do so. That would be valuable |
| 11:04.39 | lbt | also edit the wiki |
| 11:05.03 | lcuk | djszapi, I just pasted the bug page I believe community build issues should be filed under for you |
| 11:05.34 | djszapi | lcuk: yeah, you also said "guess"-ed :) It should really be mentioned on the wiki page by the project persons :) |
| 11:05.56 | lbt | djszapi: welcome to the project.... you are now a project person |
| 11:06.23 | djszapi | right, so I can add any bugtracker I find so :) |
| 11:06.24 | lcuk | all we can do is communicate and try to find the best places. which wiki page are you reading |
| 11:06.33 | lcuk | because I will add this link to there to help others |
| 11:06.40 | djszapi | to be quite honest...I would not post it to meego since it is maemo target... |
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| 11:10.06 | bkalinga | is there any meego wiki page about "using valgrind" |
| 11:10.17 | Stskeepz | bkalinga: no, probably similar way as on all other platforms |
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| 11:10.44 | bkalinga | Stskeepz: that means the tool is not part of SDK |
| 11:10.44 | djszapi | bkalinga: why do you think you need a meego specific page for that ? |
| 11:11.14 | bkalinga | and i want to download it for my Ubuntu10.04 (host system) |
| 11:11.40 | Stskeepz | bkalinga: valgrind would normally run on target |
| 11:11.56 | bkalinga | here my target is QEMU |
| 11:12.11 | bkalinga | so how can i run valgrind? |
| 11:12.18 | Stskeepz | zypper install it in there? |
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| 11:12.35 | lcuk | bkalinga, valgrind was part of 1.0 core, just looking for the later one |
| 11:12.39 | lcuk | it should just be installable |
| 11:13.07 | lcuk | http://build.meego.com/package/show?package=valgrind&project=MeeGo%3A1.2%3Aoss |
| 11:13.07 | bkalinga | ok let me check through zypper |
| 11:13.25 | bkalinga | yeah i got it through zypper |
| 11:13.29 | lcuk | \o |
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| 11:16.05 | vgrade | lcuk, that device is a little light on details |
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| 11:22.58 | luist | hey is smart packaged for meego? |
| 11:23.34 | luist | how can i search packages by name in http://repo.pub.meego.com/ |
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| 11:25.18 | djszapi | luist: you can look for packages on c-obs |
| 11:25.32 | RzR950 | luist: i can try to build it |
| 11:25.36 | djszapi | or with zypper on the device as well |
| 11:25.46 | luist | RzR950: ooh that would be great |
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| 11:34.43 | lcuk | vgrade, yeah I know, lots of things are vapourish but it would be good to have meego+liqbase on it! |
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| 11:41.52 | luist | RzR950: are u going to package smart for meego? |
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| 11:42.11 | RzR950 | what meego version do you run ? |
| 11:43.06 | niala | think it's hard to choose a laptop.... |
| 11:43.52 | thiago | niala: Dell XPS 15z |
| 11:45.55 | niala | thiago, nvidia videocard? not intel for meego? |
| 11:47.36 | thiago | you said laptop |
| 11:47.51 | thiago | meego is optimised for netbooks and smaller form-factors |
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| 11:48.31 | sroedal | wonders how jørgen got a sandy bridge laptop without a nvidia or amd gpu |
| 11:48.34 | niala | true |
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| 12:22.35 | TheBootroo | i got the mail from DHL this morning saying that my N950 has arrived in Lyon (France) so i must receive it that day |
| 12:22.42 | TheBootroo | OMG can't waiit |
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| 12:35.34 | luist | RzR950: 1.2.0 |
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| 12:38.50 | niala | TheBootroo, hello n950 lucky guy |
| 12:39.00 | TheBootroo | niala: yeah |
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| 12:41.59 | seif | hello |
| 12:42.19 | seif | how do i execute something with root priviliges on the n950 |
| 12:42.37 | RzR950 | devel-su |
| 12:43.02 | niala | TheBootroo, lol i was in this channel since day one exept the 3months for n950 program |
| 12:44.15 | TheBootroo | niala: i'm one of the meego folloers since the announce of maemo and moblin back in 2009 |
| 12:44.46 | TheBootroo | niala: (just look at my subscription date on meego.com : its the day the website opened) |
| 12:45.06 | seif | RzR950, and what is the password |
| 12:45.07 | seif | ? |
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| 12:47.47 | RzR950 | rootme ? |
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| 12:54.18 | vgrade | lcuk, good to have MeeGo on a lot of things |
| 12:54.50 | vgrade | my latest, http://twitpic.com/5oqp1r, trimslice |
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| 12:59.21 | luist | RzR950: sry for taking too long to answer :) |
| 12:59.34 | luist | RzR950: are u going to build smart for meego 1.2.0? |
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| 12:59.55 | RzR950 | i'll try to , but wait a couple of days |
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| 13:04.16 | lcuk | vgrade, o_O you have to turn your monitor round 90degrees :P |
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| 13:04.24 | lcuk | morning fiferboy |
| 13:04.30 | vgrade | lcuk, :) |
| 13:05.01 | vgrade | lcuk, or use a newer meego-ux image |
| 13:09.35 | berndhs | a motorized screen rotator would be cool |
| 13:10.23 | lcuk | extra points for thefirst person who makes it dance :P |
| 13:11.14 | DawnFoster1 | Reminder: Community Office meeting starts in 50 minutes in #meego-meeting. Details / agenda: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meetings |
| 13:12.42 | vgrade | Hi Dawn |
| 13:12.50 | DawnFoster | hey vgrade |
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| 13:19.23 | javier | moin |
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| 13:22.01 | Lantizia | Presuming the N950 will be on sale to developers, how do you get recognized as a developer to buy it? :P |
| 13:22.21 | Stskeepz | it wont |
| 13:22.47 | vvaltone | They'll only loan them |
| 13:22.53 | Lantizia | ah :S |
| 13:23.07 | Lantizia | I'll stick with my N900 then on maemo |
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| 13:23.33 | hyde_ | "loan", but are they expected to be returned ever? |
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| 13:24.40 | Lantizia | why bother with the n950 at all if there will be no other nokia-made meego phones after n9/n950 ? |
| 13:24.47 | hyde____ | also, I think it's got to do with all the pesky consumer rights laws and possibly telecommunications device laws |
| 13:25.10 | hyde____ | when device is only on loan, many of them might not apply (such as warranty stuff) |
| 13:25.15 | RzR950 | Lantizia: we bother the gnu :) |
| 13:25.33 | Lantizia | i can understand the n9 coming out if nokia contractually made to release a meego phone by say intel or whomever |
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| 13:25.48 | Lantizia | but a developer only n950 - why? if nokia is ditching meego |
| 13:26.06 | hyde____ | Lantizia: it's only worth bothering with if you want a real Linux phone, which isn't "half-finished" product like N900 |
| 13:26.42 | Lantizia | hyde____, yes but from nokia's perspective - why are they doing this at all? |
| 13:26.57 | vvaltone | I imagine the n950 is a old design they just decided to reuse |
| 13:27.00 | toninikk1nen | Lantizia: probably because the n950 is actually a canceled product that was made in small quantities... better make some use of those units instead of just thrasing them |
| 13:27.07 | Lantizia | a free "on loan" n950 won't make any money - so why bother at all if the OS is dead? |
| 13:27.13 | Lantizia | (or rather dead in nokia's eyes) |
| 13:27.15 | hyde____ | not sure... I think there are people inside who want it, and there are promises made, possibly agreemetns with Intel |
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| 13:27.29 | Lantizia | toninikk1nen, then why not sell them? |
| 13:27.41 | Lantizia | toninikk1nen, nokia has no interest in qt/ovi now |
| 13:27.47 | vvaltone | maybe because they don't have amoled |
| 13:28.15 | vvaltone | or because they don't want to have more than contractually obliged number of meego phones in the market |
| 13:28.26 | toninikk1nen | it's not worthwhile to start selling something you only have a couple of hundred units.. and then you have to deal with warranty, support... |
| 13:28.38 | hyde____ | N9 will have lifetime of 3 years at least. That's so long time in this industry, that I'm not one bit worried even if it's the only Meego phone ever |
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| 13:28.44 | toninikk1nen | it's actually cheaper to just give them away |
| 13:29.03 | Lantizia | toninikk1nen, so essentially give the ovi/qt devs a free n950 so they'll make more ovi/qt apps for the n9 |
| 13:29.05 | toninikk1nen | or "loan" them |
| 13:29.12 | Lantizia | then the n9 dies... umm... nevermind lol |
| 13:29.22 | toninikk1nen | well that's the part of the plan I don't understand.. yes... |
| 13:29.36 | hyde____ | didn't Elop say that Qt will be in key role in the "next billion" strategy? |
| 13:29.45 | toninikk1nen | yes he did, in Singapore |
| 13:29.51 | toninikk1nen | qt for the next billion |
| 13:29.52 | Lantizia | it'll be key! but it won't be in windows phone :S |
| 13:30.00 | seif | hey guys |
| 13:30.10 | hyde____ | who cares about the Windows phone line? ;-) |
| 13:30.10 | vvaltone | hyde____, except it isn't a meego phone |
| 13:30.19 | vvaltone | it's maemo 6 |
| 13:30.30 | seif | can some1 help me wiht this error |
| 13:30.30 | seif | [sbox-HARMATTAN_ARMEL: ~/debfiles/rdflib-2.4.2] > fakeroot dpkg-reconfigure python-all |
| 13:30.31 | Lantizia | hyde____, well it doesn't make sense if it'll be key if the OS symbian is being replaced for doesn't do it |
| 13:30.41 | hyde____ | well, technically yes. but by definition, it's Meego phone |
| 13:30.50 | seif | [sbox-HARMATTAN_ARMEL: ~/debfiles/rdflib-2.4.2] > fakeroot dpkg-reconfigure python-all |
| 13:30.50 | hyde____ | because it's been defined to be Meego phone... ;-) |
| 13:30.51 | seif | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:31.12 | Lantizia | vvaltone, still debian under the hood? |
| 13:31.13 | vvaltone | hyde____, I'm your landlord, give me money |
| 13:31.27 | vvaltone | Lantizia, if you mean dpkg, yes I think so |
| 13:31.37 | Termana | seif, export SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD=/scratchbox/path/to/qemu |
| 13:31.53 | Lantizia | i'd have an n9 - but I like my keyb too much, so I'll stick with n900 |
| 13:32.05 | Lantizia | don't suppose maemo 6 (on the n9) will be installable on the n900 ? |
| 13:32.26 | toninikk1nen | it would be semi-sucky on the n900, no multitouch for example... |
| 13:32.35 | toninikk1nen | much less memory, etc |
| 13:32.36 | hyde____ | vvaltone: Nokia and Intel are "landlords" of Meego, aren't they? |
| 13:32.53 | vvaltone | hyde____, yeah, but you don't have to buy into marketing |
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| 13:32.58 | Lantizia | toninikk1nen, better than being left behind with maemo 5 though |
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| 13:33.14 | toninikk1nen | well, there is MeeGo 1.2 CE for N900 :) |
| 13:33.18 | vvaltone | I'm sure there'll be a N9-ce, if there isn't already |
| 13:33.25 | Lantizia | my only issue with meego was the rpm's - i'd have meego 1.2 harmatten if it's still dpkg |
| 13:33.27 | vvaltone | so you get your meego phone |
| 13:33.33 | Termana | seif, specifically mine is export SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD=/scratchbox/devkits/qemu/bin/qemu-armeb-sb |
| 13:33.37 | Lantizia | toninikk1nen, but that is rpm |
| 13:33.39 | lcuk | timoph, better would be to scope it to be Nokia-CE or MeeGo-CE! |
| 13:33.48 | toninikk1nen | the fun part is you can have MeeGo on the N900 and Maemo on the N9 when it was supposed to be the other way around |
| 13:34.40 | berndhs | strange, my LAN ipv6 link is 2.5 times faster than the ipv4 link on the same interface |
| 13:35.22 | Termana | berndhs, IPv6 FTW! |
| 13:35.34 | vvaltone | berndhs, better routing? |
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| 13:35.51 | berndhs | this is 1 hop, no routing involved |
| 13:35.52 | vvaltone | berndhs, or is it local only? |
| 13:35.55 | vvaltone | oh, heh |
| 13:36.00 | Lantizia | so meego 1.2 harmattan on n900 is unlikely? |
| 13:36.07 | vvaltone | maybe your router is filtering the ipv4 packets |
| 13:36.15 | vvaltone | or whatever |
| 13:36.18 | seif | Termana, do i do that in the scratchbox or outside it |
| 13:36.27 | berndhs | doesn't even go through a router I think, its within the LAN |
| 13:36.29 | Termana | seif, inside |
| 13:36.43 | timoph | lcuk: true since it's not only for the n900 anymore |
| 13:37.07 | berndhs | but the LAN gateway doesn't know about the ipv6 and connman doesn't know about it |
| 13:37.21 | seif | Termana, done but now i get Error -8 while loading /usr/bin/perl.real |
| 13:37.38 | hyde____ | Lantizia: at least Meego 1.2 Harmattan on N900 so that you'd actually want to use it on daily basis is unlikely |
| 13:38.25 | timoph | goes. bbl |
| 13:38.30 | lcuk | \o |
| 13:38.33 | Termana | seif, probably something to do with whatever your trying to do. I don't know how to fix that one (especially since you've described the error a little ambiguously) :p |
| 13:38.53 | javier | are there any policies regarding cmake flags on meego? |
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| 13:39.02 | javier | ie: -DCMAKE_SHARED_LINKER_FLAGS="-Wl,--as-needed -Wl,--no-undefined" \ |
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| 13:42.53 | luist | RzR950: ok... can you email me if you do? |
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| 13:52.30 | luist | RzR950: i PMed you my email... thanks :) |
| 13:55.46 | berndhs | the current plan is systemd for 1.4 ? or 1.3 already ? |
| 13:56.43 | Stskeepz | 1.3 and it is already there |
| 13:56.50 | berndhs | ah ok |
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| 13:59.35 | DawnFoster | Community office meeting starting now in #meego-meeting :) |
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| 14:57.26 | lcuk | achipa, 2 twitter accounts?! |
| 14:57.38 | achipa | 4 actually |
| 14:57.41 | achipa | and counting |
| 14:57.42 | achipa | ;) |
| 14:58.28 | lcuk | heh |
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| 15:01.44 | berndhs | people with a single personality can be boring :) |
| 15:01.57 | DawnFoster | lbt / Jaffa I have to drop offline to drive to work |
| 15:02.14 | DawnFoster | continuing from CO meeting |
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| 15:02.32 | DawnFoster | I've said we need this |
| 15:02.45 | lbt | can we just tell Reggie that it needs doing |
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| 15:02.47 | DawnFoster | I'm just asking for a freaking summary posted to the mailing list |
| 15:03.05 | DawnFoster | if you really completely understand what we need to do that task should take a few minutes |
| 15:03.19 | DawnFoster | and help everyone better understand the how, why and when |
| 15:03.22 | lbt | We don't know what to do |
| 15:03.23 | mrshaver | DawnFoster: I thought we didn't want to dismantle the mailman lists though, which it sounds like would be necessary? |
| 15:03.25 | lbt | it is closed source |
| 15:03.31 | lbt | mrshaver: red herring |
| 15:03.40 | lbt | nothing to do with mailman |
| 15:03.43 | DawnFoster | ok, so we don't know what we need to do and you guys need to create a plan |
| 15:03.46 | lbt | no |
| 15:03.48 | DawnFoster | I'm all for having a plan |
| 15:03.49 | lbt | Reggie does |
| 15:03.55 | Jaffa | I'm all for having a plan |
| 15:03.58 | lbt | me too |
| 15:04.00 | lcuk | imagines DawnFoster with a cigar |
| 15:04.02 | Jaffa | But the only person who knows what needs doing is Reggie. |
| 15:04.03 | DawnFoster | it's clear that not everyone understands what needs to happen |
| 15:04.06 | lbt | no |
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| 15:04.14 | DawnFoster | so talk to reggie and ask him to post a plan |
| 15:04.17 | Jaffa | (what needs doing technically) |
| 15:04.30 | DawnFoster | if he doesn't then escalate back to me and we'll figure this out |
| 15:04.30 | lbt | the CO should ask Reggie and prioritise the work |
| 15:04.30 | Jaffa | DawnFoster: He seems to have gone dark. |
| 15:04.39 | lbt | we've been asking since April 2010 |
| 15:04.44 | lbt | I see no results or plan |
| 15:04.46 | DawnFoster | or the it team can ask reggie |
| 15:05.03 | lbt | OK |
| 15:05.07 | lbt | that'll do me |
| 15:05.17 | mrshaver | the IT can bring this up with Reggie and see what issues there are |
| 15:05.17 | DawnFoster | lbt / jaffa - please ask reggie one more time and escalate to me if you don't get a response in 3 days |
| 15:05.28 | DawnFoster | now, I really do need to drop off to drive into work |
| 15:05.41 | Jaffa | lbt: mrshaver: Thanks. Do you want to reply to the last paragraph of http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-June/004252.html to that effect? |
| 15:05.51 | lbt | will do |
| 15:05.52 | Jaffa | DawnFoster: Have a safe journey |
| 15:05.56 | lbt | thanks DawnFoster |
| 15:05.56 | DawnFoster | thanks :) |
| 15:06.19 | Jaffa | Thanks DawnFoster, lbt, mrshaver |
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| 15:06.31 | Jaffa | (and, in advance, to rsuplido) |
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| 15:12.20 | lcuk | alterego, ping dialer meeting in #meego-meeting |
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| 15:22.26 | alterego | lcuk: my gf loves the N8 .. |
| 15:22.40 | alterego | I'll probably be able to get access to it maybe once a week ;) |
| 15:22.49 | CosmoHill | she's only with you for your gadgets! |
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| 15:23.18 | djszapi | Jaffa: ping |
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| 15:23.56 | alterego | CosmoHill: actually she hates my gadgets .. |
| 15:24.55 | djszapi | Jaffa: the gmp package causes segfault for me in scratchbox while running the tests after the package built. I wonder whether it would be the same for you. It is some qemu emulation issue. It fails at two test cases from the 200-300. |
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| 15:55.22 | CosmoHill | oh right, I'm meant to be doing work |
| 15:55.25 | CosmoHill | closes firefox |
| 15:55.36 | CosmoHill | as soon as I've finished reading this page |
| 15:56.23 | iekku | CosmoHill, this isn't a web-page :P |
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| 15:57.38 | CosmoHill | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Nuns-and-Regexes-Do-Not-Mix.aspx |
| 15:57.42 | CosmoHill | kinda failed at censoring |
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| 15:59.28 | CosmoHill | goes off to fix the mips book |
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| 16:10.57 | ali1234 | i am confused about all the version numbers again |
| 16:11.16 | CosmoHill | says the person with 1234 in his name |
| 16:11.33 | ali1234 | what is the difference between meego-netbook-1.2.0.90.7.20110706 and 1.2.80.8.0.20110628.2? |
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| 16:11.58 | ali1234 | one is the testing version of 1.2.1 and the other is the testing version of 1.3? |
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| 16:12.22 | CosmoHill | i think 1.2.8 is testing for 1.3 and 1.2.0.90 is testing for 1.2.1 |
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| 16:26.17 | gabrbedd | ali1234: CosmoHill: yes. |
| 16:26.36 | Stskeepz | ali1234: 1.2.0.80 is what becomes 1.2.1, 1.2.80 is what becomes 1.3 |
| 16:26.57 | ali1234 | which one should i test for bugs? |
| 16:27.26 | Stskeepz | i would steer clear of 1.2.80 at the moment, we are beating it severely/invasive changes |
| 16:27.58 | ali1234 | they are asking me to verify the "kernel won't build" bug again |
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| 16:28.06 | Stskeepz | ah.. |
| 16:28.19 | ali1234 | bug 14307 |
| 16:28.21 | MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14307 nor, Medium, ---, kai.chai, RESO WORKSFORME, kernel build with rpmbuild fails during prep |
| 16:28.51 | ali1234 | people keep saying it works for them but they don't say which version they used, or how they built the kernel |
| 16:29.00 | Stskeepz | brb dinner |
| 16:29.01 | ali1234 | if they followed the steps i gave there is a 0% chance of it working |
| 16:29.40 | Stskeepz | you're building within meego i guess? |
| 16:29.45 | ali1234 | yes |
| 16:30.03 | ali1234 | since it's the only sensible and reproducable way |
| 16:32.14 | ali1234 | is there a way to put multiple images on one usb stick? |
| 16:32.21 | ali1234 | that would be *really* handy |
| 16:32.31 | ali1234 | since i am downloading 4 different versions |
| 16:32.41 | ali1234 | and i only have 2x 8gb sticks |
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| 16:35.41 | ali1234 | is it possible to netboot these images? |
| 16:37.53 | CosmoHill | ali1234: there's a sale at play.com i think |
| 16:39.30 | ali1234 | still more expensive than ebuyer |
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| 17:03.57 | fnordsniff | hi |
| 17:05.46 | CosmoHill | dm8tbr: reading that website reminds me of a time in school where I almost got thrown out of GCSE IT |
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| 17:07.38 | fnordsniff | Im in a trouble. since i installed meego on my hp netbook, i can't boot any other os from the stick. I already checkt the bios, but meego starts everytime right after i've chosen my flashdrive. Can someone tell me how to fix that? |
| 17:10.09 | andyross | fnordsniff: MeeGo doesn't/can't modify your bios or boot order. Check again, I guess? |
| 17:10.41 | andyross | Likewise make sure your flash is OK (maybe try booting it elsewhere to test). |
| 17:11.04 | fnordsniff | Mh Ok |
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| 17:13.59 | CosmoHill | wishes people would put the windows sticker under a laptop |
| 17:14.32 | andyross | There's a windows sticker down there already |
| 17:14.51 | berndhs | I peeled the windows sticker off my old laptop, windows is then only OS that doesn't work on it |
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| 17:15.06 | fnordsniff | thanks, it did not work on my notebook either |
| 17:15.13 | CosmoHill | I got a windows sticker on my mate's laptop but it's all rubbed off so I can't read it |
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| 17:15.26 | fnordsniff | berndhs: same here with my notebook :) |
| 17:15.56 | andyross | I kind of like the "peel off the branding" step to unboxing a new machine. |
| 17:16.16 | berndhs | the APIC is dead in mine, i dont think there is a way to tell windows to ignore it |
| 17:17.43 | dm8tbr | first thing I do with new machines, peel off the marketing crap |
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| 18:00.34 | berndhs | what is setting the clock to May 1 in the live limages ? and why ? |
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| 18:30.37 | ali1234 | um... so meego 1.3 installer only has the option to wipe the entire disk? |
| 18:31.29 | ali1234 | not only that but it happens automatically when you boot the installer |
| 18:31.32 | Stskeepz | yes, weren't you in the discussion with auke? |
| 18:31.48 | ali1234 | yes |
| 18:32.25 | Stskeepz | automatically seems extreme |
| 18:32.35 | ali1234 | you get three seconds to cancel it |
| 18:32.41 | Stskeepz | ah |
| 18:32.55 | Stskeepz | well, prolly for production like scenarios |
| 18:33.04 | Stskeepz | like how n900s are made |
| 18:33.15 | ali1234 | well, i won't be testing any 1.3 images until there is a sensible installation option |
| 18:33.21 | Stskeepz | berndhs i think was working on a fork |
| 18:33.21 | chouchoune | french people around there ? => meeting at #meego-fr ;) |
| 18:33.24 | auke | it's going to be changed to not do autoinstall by default |
| 18:33.40 | auke | ali1234: #define sensible |
| 18:33.40 | Stskeepz | chouchoune: you are welcome to use #meego-meeting too |
| 18:33.49 | Stskeepz | ~haveameegomeeting |
| 18:33.49 | infobot | hmm... haveameegomeeting is book at http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Meeting_IRC_Schedule , read http://wiki.meego.com/IRC_guidelines#IRC_Meeting_Guidelines and instructions for MeetBot at http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html |
| 18:33.51 | ali1234 | sensible = can overwrite an existing meego install |
| 18:34.13 | auke | you have these options: |
| 18:34.14 | ali1234 | and leaves the damn bootloader alone |
| 18:34.17 | auke | 1) whole disk |
| 18:34.18 | chouchoune | Stskeepz: oh, yes but we didn't know exactly how to do, next time ;) |
| 18:34.20 | chouchoune | thanks |
| 18:34.21 | auke | 2) free space |
| 18:34.29 | chouchoune | it has already begun on meego-fr so ... |
| 18:34.35 | ali1234 | yeah neither of those is acceptable |
| 18:34.37 | auke | so, you can overwrite a meego install by wiping the partitions and doing free space install |
| 18:34.37 | Stskeepz | chouchoune: yes, just saying |
| 18:34.58 | ali1234 | ok, so add a option to wipe an existing partition to the installer, and then install in the free space, and then i'll use it |
| 18:35.06 | auke | no, wipe it yourself |
| 18:35.14 | auke | stop making the installer a swiss army knife |
| 18:35.16 | ali1234 | no, fix it etc |
| 18:35.37 | chouchoune | Stskeepz: thanks ? next time I'll ask you how to request a #meego-meeting then ;) |
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| 18:36.15 | auke | I can see if we can make the bootloader step optional, that's about as far as I want to go |
| 18:36.33 | ali1234 | tell you what, you keep refusing to fix meego, and i'll keep refusing to test it, k? |
| 18:36.49 | auke | ali1234: oh, you got me all crying now |
| 18:36.59 | lbt | it seems that for community testers with devices then 'reinstall but keep my data' is going to be very popular |
| 18:37.04 | auke | seriously... yes I hear your concern. please file a bug. |
| 18:37.14 | ali1234 | loli did file a bug |
| 18:37.15 | ali1234 | it got closed |
| 18:37.21 | ali1234 | about 10 times |
| 18:37.22 | auke | number? |
| 18:37.38 | ali1234 | it's at the same number it was at last time you asked |
| 18:37.39 | lbt | ali1234: maybe modify it in the CE project? |
| 18:38.31 | lbt | ali1234: seems like it could be a good way to show how a vendor would manage a bootloader that suited their needs |
| 18:38.35 | auke | the free space install option will save all your data... |
| 18:38.52 | auke | just put it on a third partition or something |
| 18:39.15 | ali1234 | there is no free space on the disk |
| 18:39.27 | auke | not my problem |
| 18:39.29 | ali1234 | the place where i want to install already has a meego install |
| 18:39.30 | lbt | yes, but if they already have meego installed in p1 and data in p2 |
| 18:39.32 | auke | not my problem |
| 18:39.42 | ali1234 | and since the meego installer nukes the bootloader, meego is now the only bootable OS on the computer |
| 18:39.49 | ali1234 | and i can't delete meego partition while running meego |
| 18:40.04 | lbt | can't you? |
| 18:40.11 | auke | I'm not going to solve your unsolvable issues. I'm providing you with the tools to do what you want. if you don't like it, "shrug" |
| 18:40.38 | ali1234 | the issues are far from unsolvable |
| 18:41.12 | auke | well, arguably, with the subvolume approach in 1.3, we can do a LOT more than we could |
| 18:41.29 | auke | we can even preserve the meego_home subvolume and reinstall |
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| 18:42.19 | auke | is there a bug for the bootloader part? I'm willing to see if we can fix that. |
| 18:43.16 | ali1234 | bug 12816 |
| 18:43.19 | MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12816 enh, Undecided, ---, chengwei.yang, NEW, [FEA] No option to install without bootloader step |
| 18:44.28 | ali1234 | (yes, this is the bug where you flat out told me i was wrong without doing your homework) |
| 18:46.31 | auke | you were, however, we were looking at different versions of anaconda |
| 18:47.00 | ali1234 | well, i'm sorry for reporting bugs against the current released version and the testing version |
| 18:47.14 | ali1234 | which version would you like me to test against? |
| 18:47.50 | auke | I'm tempted to say 1.0... grin |
| 18:48.19 | auke | installer-shell is for 1.3 only, so, makes no sense to look at 1.2 anymore |
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| 18:49.48 | auke | ali1234: I want to seriously review installer-shell as it exists right now, but I need to find the time to do so |
| 18:50.26 | ali1234 | the core problem here is the exact same thing it's always been: i need to upgrade to newer testing version to test bugs and i can't do it in a supported way |
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| 18:51.16 | auke | yeah, which is why we need to come up with a new way that does the upgrade by modifying the subvolumes |
| 18:51.27 | auke | however, there is certain risk in doing that method |
| 18:51.46 | auke | nothing guarantees that the config files in /home are compatible with the new programs |
| 18:51.58 | ali1234 | i don't want to keep any meego related files |
| 18:52.16 | auke | what specifically do you want to keep on the device? |
| 18:52.26 | auke | other than bootloader |
| 18:52.31 | ali1234 | the windows install and the ubuntu install |
| 18:52.56 | ali1234 | and possible another totally separate meego install |
| 18:53.33 | auke | so, if we fix the bootloader issue, how does "install in free space" not satisfy your requirements? |
| 18:53.50 | lbt | can see the benefit of a meego_home ... and yes /home/user/,config may be an issue. |
| 18:53.52 | ali1234 | there's no way to delete the existing meego install from the installer |
| 18:54.08 | ali1234 | so i have to use an unsupported third party tool to do it |
| 18:54.21 | auke | not really, just live boot and open a shell? |
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| 18:54.37 | auke | and, from the same shell, call installer-shell |
| 18:55.08 | berndhs | do a live boot to multi-user, scp your own installer, run that :) |
| 18:56.29 | auke | ali1234: you're still a developer... there's no way to provide 100% feature coverage in any installer to you as a group of users, without going apeshit with menu's and questions.... that's what we are trying to avoid. |
| 18:57.01 | ali1234 | trying it... |
| 18:57.32 | auke | of course, fixing the bootloader will be a huge step to helping developers |
| 18:59.12 | gabrbedd | auke for president! |
| 19:00.53 | auke | gabrbedd: not allowed. I'm neither a citizen of this country nor born one. |
| 19:01.43 | gabrbedd | skips the right-wing Obama jokes... :-) |
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| 19:03.12 | gabrbedd | auke: seriously, though... thanks. |
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| 19:04.11 | berndhs | while people are here, where is the hardware clock being set to May 1 ? |
| 19:04.22 | berndhs | and how do I stop that? |
| 19:05.04 | auke | berndhs: 1.3? |
| 19:05.12 | berndhs | 1.2.something |
| 19:05.45 | auke | ooh yeah, I saw that |
| 19:06.15 | berndhs | i'm making an image from the 1.2.0.90.7.20110706.43 repo |
| 19:06.39 | berndhs | and the live image boot seems to set the hardware clock |
| 19:07.40 | berndhs | then on reboot, whatever is on the machine says it needs an manual fsck, because the file system time stamp is in the future |
| 19:08.46 | ali1234 | ok, i got black screen, flashing cursor, then nothing :( |
| 19:09.08 | ali1234 | and the harddrive appears to be thrashing like crazy |
| 19:09.18 | ali1234 | does 1.3 take a really long time to boot the first time? |
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| 19:18.17 | ali1234 | btw meego 1.2 seems to be doing something bad to the ideapad bios |
| 19:18.29 | ali1234 | i have to reset to bios defaults after every reboot now |
| 19:18.39 | ali1234 | otherwise wifi and battery are not detected |
| 19:22.02 | berndhs | bash programming makes me want to wash my hands every few minutes |
| 19:25.43 | gabrbedd | ali1234: bios issue -- I usually only have that problem when the battery gets low (or loose). |
| 19:26.08 | gabrbedd | ali1234: As for long boots with harddrive thrashing... that sounds like a corewatcher issuer. |
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| 19:29.23 | ali1234 | gabrbedd: it does seem like the battery is crapping out |
| 19:29.38 | ali1234 | i have to remove it and insert it before it will work again, and that seems to corrupt the bios |
| 19:29.44 | ali1234 | thing is i leave it on the AC all the time |
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| 19:30.11 | ali1234 | so best guess is the battery is overheating or meego is somehow crashing the monitoring chip/interface |
| 19:30.36 | ali1234 | in any case it didn't happen with versions prior to 1.2, or ubuntu, or windows |
| 19:30.44 | SpeedEvil | If the 'bios' battery has died, then it will do that. |
| 19:30.53 | npm | ali1234: i think that problem happens if you let the battery get too low... at least it did for me |
| 19:30.58 | SpeedEvil | Perhaps |
| 19:31.11 | ali1234 | i leave it on the AC all the time |
| 19:31.21 | ali1234 | the battery should never be used |
| 19:31.49 | npm | the first time it happened to me, i was looking around for manuals to see how to return my ideapad |
| 19:32.11 | gabrbedd | Well, when I called Lenovo for tech support about it a year ago... they resolved it for me in 60 secs. So I doubt it's a Linux-specific issue. :-) |
| 19:32.14 | npm | and then i think i reset it by leaving the battery out, going to eat, and coming back to find it working |
| 19:32.19 | ali1234 | third possibility: meego draws some power from battery even when on AC and doesn't charge it properly |
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| 19:33.13 | ali1234 | i can understand that this happens on any OS if the battery is fully discharged |
| 19:33.32 | ali1234 | but on meego it happens even if you're on AC permanently, which seems like a problem to me |
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| 19:34.25 | npm | i was also using a bad power source to begin with... perhaps it's getting glitched by some noise or spike on the AC? |
| 19:34.38 | ali1234 | also possible |
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| 19:36.29 | ali1234 | maybe it's related to that kernel bug that makes everything use more power if the bios is rubbish (which the lenovo bios clearly is if it dies when the battery goes flat) |
| 19:38.46 | SpeedEvil | BIOS not supporting powersaving properly - or at all - is common. |
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| 19:47.54 | mf2hd | hmh, "composite sync not supported" & "NIT: Id "x" respawning too fast: disabled 5 minutes" problems with i915, any1? |
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| 19:55.19 | luist | what package copies the official repos inside /etc/zypp/repos.d/ ? |
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| 20:01.06 | auke | luist: no package, mic2 does that during image creation |
| 20:01.45 | luist | ooh ok |
| 20:01.49 | luist | auke: thanks |
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| 20:05.10 | ali1234 | apparently the install is going to create some logical partitions without creating an extended partition to put them in: http://imagebin.org/162793 |
| 20:06.40 | ali1234 | suprisingly enough, it failed to do so |
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| 20:07.00 | ali1234 | so when you use the "free space" option, that free space *has* to be inside an existing extended partition |
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| 20:07.09 | ali1234 | ie not actually "free" at all |
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| 20:09.40 | chouchoune | hello ( Stskeepz ? others ? ) I'ld like to know if it's possible for a local/regional group, to use meego.com wiki ? |
| 20:09.45 | chouchoune | or shall we install ours ? |
| 20:10.19 | lbt | chouchoune: DawnFoster is the person to ask |
| 20:10.48 | lbt | are there any regional group pages already? |
| 20:10.53 | chouchoune | ok, thanks, DawnFoster ? |
| 20:11.03 | chouchoune | I think there is a Meegofi one |
| 20:11.08 | chouchoune | I'll check again |
| 20:11.17 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
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| 20:11.24 | DawnFoster | chouchoune: local / regional groups are welcome to use the meego wiki |
| 20:11.34 | timoph | yep. there's some meegofi stuff there |
| 20:11.35 | DawnFoster | and forums, etc. for planning your events |
| 20:11.48 | lbt | DawnFoster: any language issues? |
| 20:11.56 | DawnFoster | meegofi is a great one to base it off of, since they've done a great job |
| 20:12.25 | DawnFoster | lbt: not sure - depends on what you want to do |
| 20:12.25 | chouchoune | DawnFoster: great, do we have the right to create/post there by default ? |
| 20:12.27 | lbt | eg if it's non-english do we need a wiki gardener? |
| 20:12.34 | chouchoune | shall we ask for rights ? |
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| 20:12.45 | DawnFoster | chouchoune: anyone with a meego account can post to the wiki |
| 20:12.54 | chouchoune | ok |
| 20:13.00 | DawnFoster | we'd prefer the wiki content to be in english if possible |
| 20:13.03 | chouchoune | can we write in frnch ? or english only ? ;) |
| 20:13.08 | chouchoune | ah |
| 20:13.19 | chouchoune | that was the question rised just now on our chan ;) |
| 20:13.24 | lbt | chouchoune: I think the main concern is managing spam |
| 20:14.21 | lbt | you're #meego-fr ? |
| 20:14.28 | chouchoune | ok, we need to think about it then, we will probably write in french, so we could have a separate wiki and some wiki pages on meego.com with more general concerns |
| 20:14.31 | chouchoune | lbt: yes |
| 20:15.14 | DawnFoster | if we have a reliable person to do some wiki gardening in french, it might be ok |
| 20:15.26 | DawnFoster | let's try it out and see how it goes on the meego wiki? |
| 20:15.40 | DawnFoster | and if we decide it doesn't work, it shouldn't be too hard to move |
| 20:15.42 | Elleo | Andy80: got the libre.fm client building in the community OBS :) http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/elleo/Harmattan/ |
| 20:15.47 | timoph | at least I'd prefer stuff in wiki being in english |
| 20:15.56 | Andy80 | Elleo: hey :) |
| 20:16.07 | Andy80 | Elleo: I should request an account there too! |
| 20:16.20 | lbt | timoph: how about if we have page tagging? Francais? |
| 20:16.26 | timoph | if yoy could have some short summaries in english if you uuse french |
| 20:16.38 | Andy80 | Elleo: do you know if that repository is accessible from our N950? or just from N9? |
| 20:16.57 | timoph | lbt: could work |
| 20:17.02 | chouchoune | DawnFoster: ok, great, we're speaking about it |
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| 20:17.48 | chouchoune | another option would be to have our own messed up wiki to organize thinks for the creation of the group, and then create an english "official" wiki page |
| 20:17.51 | Elleo | Andy80: as things stand you need to add your personal repo to the sources.list.d directory manually |
| 20:18.21 | Elleo | Andy80: once apps.meego.com is ready it sounds like there's be a package that you can install to activate it in an easy to use way |
| 20:18.23 | lbt | chouchoune: I personally would like us to handle internationalisation of the community |
| 20:18.27 | Andy80 | Elleo: pretty useless then :P |
| 20:18.32 | Elleo | or that's the impression I got from the apps.meego.com thread |
| 20:18.47 | lbt | and since I can read french a little it's better than german (from my PoV at least) |
| 20:19.12 | chouchoune | DawnFoster: we decided to do so, we will first create our own wiki and the create english pages |
| 20:19.24 | chouchoune | lbt: do you mean internationalization of docs, etc... ? |
| 20:19.47 | lbt | chouchoune: no, I meant to better support non-english speaking groups |
| 20:19.56 | chouchoune | oh ok |
| 20:20.02 | lbt | I'd love to see french pages on meego.com wiki |
| 20:20.07 | chouchoune | hehe |
| 20:20.16 | lbt | but I want to make sure they're managed as well as any other |
| 20:20.31 | chouchoune | the problem is that we would at first put a lot of organization details and it would not be really interesting |
| 20:20.51 | Andy80 | Elleo: so we just have to wait for OBS to be ready? |
| 20:21.08 | lbt | not a problem - as long as you hang out here and we get confidence that you're managing it |
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| 20:21.49 | dm8tbr | lbt: I took the liberty to tack one of my favourite bugs to you. hope that's ok? |
| 20:22.09 | lbt | Andy80: Elleo: ... or the other way to thing about it is that you have PPA's from the get go.... |
| 20:22.58 | chouchoune | lbt: we took the decision now, but we'll try to contribute in french later, with more serious and reliable informations about the french meego network ;) |
| 20:23.07 | chouchoune | french and english, both, ... |
| 20:23.35 | Andy80 | lbt: yeah but people need an easy way to add those PPA. Nobody will manually add a line to source.list |
| 20:24.01 | DawnFoster | chouchoune: have you been in touch with Dominique Ar Foll? |
| 20:24.23 | chouchoune | DawnFoster: no, I missed the Intel AppLab where he did a presentation |
| 20:24.47 | lbt | Andy80: well, yes. Apps will solve your problems ... it's a really important thing to have :) |
| 20:24.50 | DawnFoster | chouchoune: he works at Intel based in France and focused on TV - he might be interested in participating |
| 20:25.16 | Andy80 | lbt: cool :) |
| 20:25.20 | DawnFoster | chouchoune: you should reach out to him & let him know your plans |
| 20:25.30 | chouchoune | DawnFoster: we know some Intel people and we are eventually planning to see what we can doo in common |
| 20:25.35 | chouchoune | but nothing fixed now |
| 20:25.49 | Elleo | Andy80: see http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3671 for a fair amount of the discussion around apps.meego.com |
| 20:26.30 | Elleo | until then manually adding ppas isn't a massive hassle for developers wanting to test stuff out |
| 20:28.03 | chouchoune | concerning #meego-meeting, how could we schedule something ? |
| 20:28.09 | chouchoune | Who should I contact ? |
| 20:28.28 | lbt | chouchoune: read the channel topic in therwe |
| 20:29.17 | chouchoune | ok, so we are free to add ours |
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| 20:31.31 | lbt | chouchoune: yes |
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| 20:40.48 | ali1234 | can anyone suggest a known-working 1.2.80 image for x86? ux doesn't matter |
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| 20:49.14 | ali1234 | ah i see the problem |
| 20:49.24 | ali1234 | the installer didn't set the boot partition active |
| 20:50.33 | ali1234 | and now it works :) |
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| 20:52.32 | Andy80 | Elleo: I'll read that thread later.... I need to finish something. Oh... my app is "almost" usable. It display channels, it plays them... that's it :) |
| 20:54.21 | Elleo | Andy80: cool :) |
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| 20:55.03 | Elleo | the libre.fm stuff is mostly finished now, just a couple of little extra things to finish up and a few areas that need some polish and it'll be done |
| 20:55.40 | Andy80 | Elleo: don't know how (maybe you just need to copy and execute) but if you want this is the generated package http://dl.dropbox.com/u/835341/CuteSoma/cutesoma_0_0_1_armel.deb |
| 20:56.30 | Elleo | Andy80: cool, will give it a try |
| 20:57.13 | Andy80 | Elleo: if you know how to use these package please tell me :) do I need to copy to the device with scp and then install with dpkg? |
| 20:57.53 | Elleo | Andy80: yeah |
| 20:58.16 | Elleo | just scp, then run dpkg -i yourpackage.deb as root (root password is rootme by default) |
| 20:58.30 | Jaffa | Or click on link in browser |
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| 20:58.58 | Elleo | Andy80: well your soma client seems to work nicely on my device :) |
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| 20:59.21 | Jaffa | Does Soma need an account? |
| 20:59.24 | Elleo | does somafm give any option for higher resolution albumart? |
| 20:59.28 | Elleo | Jaffa: nope |
| 21:00.02 | Elleo | the current album art gets rather pixelated at that size |
| 21:00.29 | Andy80 | Elleo: yeah I noticed, but it's not available on their stream: http://somafm.com/channels.xml |
| 21:00.36 | Elleo | ah, pity |
| 21:00.47 | Andy80 | Jaffa: no it's a free streaming radio: http://somafm.com |
| 21:00.51 | berndhs | the problems people have, bad video on their audio channels,... |
| 21:01.34 | Elleo | heh |
| 21:02.03 | Andy80 | Elleo: the next thing I need to implement is a better managing of that channels.xml :( at the moment it's loaded automatically using a XmlListModel, but... what if I want to cache it? what if I want to cache at least images? |
| 21:02.59 | Andy80 | probably I will have to implement a custom ListModel, but for the moment I just wanted to have a working version in little time |
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| 21:05.11 | Jaffa | Installing now |
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| 21:06.10 | Andy80 | Jaffa: you will be the third user :) (me included :P ) |
| 21:08.34 | lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/International ? |
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| 21:12.38 | ali1234 | hmm that's interesting... if you boot live image, connect to wifi, then install meego in a terminal with installer-shell, then the installed image comes up with wifi already configured and working :) |
| 21:13.21 | ali1234 | it no longer seems to ask for user details either |
| 21:14.18 | ali1234 | that's not so good |
| 21:14.31 | ali1234 | since ssh is enabled by default, and the root password is "meego" |
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| 21:17.24 | auke | openssh-server is installed in testing images by default |
| 21:17.31 | auke | it needs to be removed for final images |
| 21:17.48 | auke | that should fix that issue |
| 21:17.54 | ali1234 | ok |
| 21:18.11 | auke | it doesn't actually start sshd, it uses socket activation |
| 21:18.21 | auke | but, still listens obviously :) |
| 21:18.23 | ali1234 | that would explain why it takes so damn long to connect first time |
| 21:18.30 | ali1234 | that's systemd, yeah? |
| 21:18.40 | auke | yup, it will be slow on first connect after boot |
| 21:18.42 | auke | yes |
| 21:18.43 | ali1234 | i remember reading about that stuff |
| 21:18.50 | ali1234 | seems like a good idea anyway |
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| 21:19.01 | ali1234 | i guess it's making the host key that takes time |
| 21:19.11 | auke | no, that's already made on firstboot |
| 21:19.29 | auke | as a one-time service |
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| 21:21.09 | auke | Message: |
| 21:21.10 | auke | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.10 | auke | - Add a patch to expand extended partition to get enough free space to install |
| 21:21.10 | auke | - Add a patch to let user decide whether install bootloader or not (BMC#12816) |
| 21:21.14 | auke | lol |
| 21:21.39 | auke | I think our new installer-shell maintainer is doing great :) |
| 21:23.17 | ali1234 | well i just posted 2 more bugs for 'em |
| 21:27.36 | javispedro | auke: congrats! |
| 21:27.45 | javispedro | can now finally install meego again =) |
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| 21:37.30 | auke | ali1234: bug numbers? |
| 21:38.59 | auke | #21013 #21017 |
| 21:39.00 | the-boss | auke: Error: "21013" is not a valid command. |
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| 21:42.15 | ali1234 | yeah, that's the ones |
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| 22:04.04 | Andy80 | lbt: you are the one to contact to have OBS account activated? |
| 22:05.45 | lbt | yep |
| 22:06.14 | lbt | I need your meego username |
| 22:06.29 | Andy80 | lbt: ok... my meego.com username is "andreagrandi" and I'll use the repository to publish the CuteSoma application |
| 22:06.43 | lbt | done |
| 22:07.14 | lbt | and "hi" ... didn't recognise the nick |
| 22:07.47 | Andy80 | lbt: thanks, I'm in :) I'll start with this http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS then I'll do some tests. |
| 22:08.21 | lbt | I really must improve that |
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| 22:10.51 | Elleo | Andy80: that thread I showed you earlier has instruction on how to enable the harmattan build |
| 22:11.02 | Andy80 | the wiki? uhm... yes some thing don't match with the actual website |
| 22:11.17 | Andy80 | Elleo: cool :) |
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| 22:24.34 | Andy80 | Elleo: how did you create your mypkg_1.0.0.tar.gz, mypkg_1.0.0.dsc, mypkg_1.0.0.debian.tar.gz ecc... files? I only have the .deb generated by QtCreator |
| 22:24.56 | Elleo | Andy80: dpkg-buildpackage |
| 22:25.41 | Elleo | and I don't have a separate .debian.tar.gz because my packaging stuff is just in my normal source tree anyway |
| 22:26.13 | Andy80 | dpkg-buildecc... executed in which directory exactly? |
| 22:28.04 | Elleo | Andy80: the directory above debian/ |
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| 22:29.24 | Elleo | I suspect you'll have to arrange things so that the debian dir is in the top-level of your source tree (iirc you have it in a qtc_packaging directory at the moment), either by actually moving it there or by having a .debian.tar.gz file that unpacks it there |
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| 22:29.45 | Elleo | I could be wrong though, obs might be smart enough to find it in other places |
| 22:29.50 | lbt | nope |
| 22:30.03 | Andy80 | no no wait.... explain better |
| 22:30.08 | Andy80 | I cannot understand in this way :\ |
| 22:30.18 | Andy80 | we would need a clear example |
| 22:30.36 | lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/Application_Building |
| 22:30.54 | Elleo | Andy80: https://gitorious.org/foocorp/gnu-fm/trees/master/clients/meego/librefm <-- this is the top level of the librefm tar.gz |
| 22:31.02 | Elleo | and directly within there is the debian folder |
| 22:31.07 | Elleo | that's the sort of layout you'll need |
| 22:31.24 | Elleo | you can either acheive that by actually laying your source tree out like that, or by sticking the debian stuff in a separate .debian.tar.gz |
| 22:31.37 | Elleo | which obs will then automatically unpack into it for you |
| 22:32.01 | Elleo | but you may have to change the paths in your current setup if it's all under qtc_packaging/debian/ or whatever it was in your setup |
| 22:32.09 | Andy80 | if we need a different directory structure, why QtCreator use a wrong one? |
| 22:32.13 | Andy80 | it's non sense.... |
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| 22:32.27 | Elleo | dunno, I used the harmattan package skeleton creation thting |
| 22:32.33 | Elleo | thing* |
| 22:32.42 | Elleo | which put everything in a more usable place |
| 22:33.05 | Elleo | 'create-project' |
| 22:33.17 | Andy80 | Elleo: anyway... let's suppose I don't want to move files right now... you told me I can package the .tar.gz by myself, right? |
| 22:34.03 | Elleo | you can do |
| 22:34.10 | Elleo | it's just a tar.gz containing your source tree |
| 22:34.16 | Elleo | then you have another containing your debian directory |
| 22:34.35 | Elleo | then you create a .dsc file that describes the package and the tar balls |
| 22:34.57 | Elleo | personally I'd do stuff with dpkg-buildpackage though |
| 22:35.09 | Andy80 | first thing: which directory are you talking about? I've two: CuteSoma/ and CuteSoma-build-harmattan/ |
| 22:35.09 | Elleo | then you can be more certain that it'll build okay before uploading to obs |
| 22:35.29 | Elleo | presumably cutesoma-build-harmattan is just an out of tree build directory |
| 22:35.41 | Elleo | all that matters is the source code and the debian control files |
| 22:35.45 | Elleo | which I'd assume are in cutesoma |
| 22:35.54 | Shapeshifter | cuteobama |
| 22:36.00 | Andy80 | no |
| 22:36.18 | Elleo | bear in mind that when you upload it to obs you're going to be waiting for a while before it actually builds and gets back to you with problems |
| 22:36.31 | Elleo | so anything you can test locally first will make the whole process quicker |
| 22:36.35 | Andy80 | CuteSoma contains qtc_packaging/debian_harmattan |
| 22:37.02 | Andy80 | the thing I want to test right now is OBS system itself :) |
| 22:37.28 | Elleo | yeah, but if your upload isn't in the right layout it's going to fail |
| 22:38.13 | Andy80 | yes... like old maemo building service I suppose... |
| 22:38.39 | Andy80 | so.... qtc_packaging/debian_harmattan which is inside CuteSoma/ is not the thing I want.... |
| 22:38.47 | Elleo | yes, you want that |
| 22:38.58 | Andy80 | yes? |
| 22:39.03 | Elleo | but you want it to be moved to $TOP_LEVEL/debian/ |
| 22:39.20 | Elleo | you could possibly just symlink it I guess, dunno if that's work |
| 22:39.28 | Elleo | that'd* |
| 22:39.43 | Elleo | (you'd have to make sure it was a relative link though) |
| 22:39.53 | Andy80 | I've no /debian/ folder inside CuteSoma/ |
| 22:40.03 | Elleo | Andy80: no, that's your qtc_packaging/debian_harmattan at the moment |
| 22:40.10 | Elleo | you need to move it to debian/ |
| 22:40.25 | Elleo | as that's where all the debian tools expect it to be |
| 22:40.27 | Andy80 | ah okok wait... |
| 22:40.33 | Andy80 | I symlink then.. |
| 22:41.25 | Andy80 | andrea@ubuntu:~/Documents/sviluppo/CuteSoma$ ln -s qtc_packaging/debian_harmattan/ debian |
| 22:41.44 | Elleo | dunno if it'll work, but it's worth a try |
| 22:41.52 | Elleo | then try doing dpkg-buildpackage and see if it's happy |
| 22:42.33 | Andy80 | nope.... it says: http://pastebin.com/wdpV5AVm |
| 22:43.00 | Elleo | Andy80: you should be doing the build inside scratchbox |
| 22:43.06 | Andy80 | but it looks like a deps problem... |
| 22:43.08 | Elleo | otherwise you won't have all the relevant deps |
| 22:43.08 | Andy80 | ahhhh |
| 22:43.27 | Andy80 | mmmmm.... |
| 22:43.30 | Andy80 | I don't have it yet |
| 22:43.45 | Andy80 | when I installed ubuntu 11.04 I didn't re-install it |
| 22:44.11 | Elleo | you might be able to get the relevant deps for ubuntu |
| 22:44.19 | Elleo | you'll need at least build-essential and libqt4-dev |
| 22:44.32 | Elleo | but I don't know if there's any meego specific stuff you might be linking against |
| 22:44.43 | Andy80 | I think I have it.... maybe it's better if I installa Scratchbox |
| 22:45.06 | Elleo | yeah, especially since without scratchbox you won't be able to build armel packages easily |
| 22:45.20 | Elleo | although I guess that doesn't matter so much if you're going to be using OBS in the end |
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| 22:45.48 | Andy80 | mmm... cannot find harmattan sdk with google.... strange it's not in the first page :P |
| 22:46.00 | Elleo | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com |
| 22:47.23 | Andy80 | thanks |
| 22:47.28 | Elleo | no worries |
| 22:51.26 | Andy80 | incredible.... (OT) I sent a feedback note to the Google Music service and they replied to me :) not a pre-packaged message... a real anwser :P |
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| 22:51.38 | Elleo | heh |
| 22:58.58 | auke | it said "lolwhut mp3?" ? |
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