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| 10:25.20 | lcuk | alterego, is there a multiselect photo dialog in qt? |
| 10:25.46 | alterego | Nope |
| 10:25.56 | alterego | Like an Icon view? |
| 10:26.17 | lcuk | yeah, like the liqbase postcard select |
| 10:26.49 | alterego | I think there must be a QGridVidew |
| 10:26.55 | alterego | QGridView .. |
| 10:27.03 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20100703_202453.liqpostcard_choose.scr.png |
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| 10:27.08 | lcuk | like that ^ |
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| 10:28.04 | lcuk | looking at qt application ideas |
| 10:31.11 | alterego | lcuk: what you'd do is find a view class which does a grid view. |
| 10:31.19 | alterego | Then you'd create a thumbnail delegate |
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| 10:31.30 | alterego | and supply a thumbnail model to the view. |
| 10:31.36 | alterego | And it'd just work :) |
| 10:31.52 | alterego | This is quite easily doable in QML btw |
| 10:33.54 | lcuk | it is also quite complicated, I do not mind the technology but I think I will just use the standard system dialog |
| 10:33.58 | lcuk | it will be simpler :) |
| 10:34.51 | alterego | Neah, not complicated. |
| 10:35.11 | alterego | Oh, you want a dialog, what are you targetting? |
| 10:36.26 | lcuk | alterego, nokia devices, n900 n8 n9 etc |
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| 11:43.39 | MSvB | Seems that in the latest MeeGo 1.2 repos there's no geography software. |
| 11:44.07 | MSvB | Neither marble nor a replacement is packaged and provided. |
| 11:44.59 | MSvB | I wonder how well Google Earth works on Atom, if it installs cleanly on MeeGo. |
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| 12:47.32 | javispedro | do you know if there's some blog post around that explains the differences between all the multitouch input protocols? |
| 12:48.22 | javispedro | I'm reading the kernel docs and they sait not to use the tracking id as a "slot" mechanism, which is exactly the way the Harmattan Qt treats it. |
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| 12:55.33 | thiago | harmattan uses an old kernel |
| 12:57.59 | Stskeeps|holiday | we are working on a newer one for meego ce port though |
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| 12:58.39 | javispedro | can I safely assume that any such platform will also have XInput 2.1? |
| 12:58.44 | javispedro | *newer platform |
| 12:58.48 | thiago | no |
| 12:58.52 | thiago | it's not out yet |
| 12:58.56 | thiago | we'll switch to Wayland before |
| 12:59.06 | javispedro | hm. |
| 12:59.36 | thiago | XInput 2.1 is dead-on-arrival for me. It was supposed to be released with the January release of X.org to be relevant. |
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| 13:00.56 | javispedro | hm.. will start with the harmattan way for the time being. |
| 13:01.30 | javispedro | ta! |
| 13:01.46 | thiago | you're welcome |
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| 13:15.39 | CosmoHill | FYI, 10% off memory cards at play.com, cheaper cards to put MeeGo on :) |
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| 13:23.31 | RST38h | So, given that XInput2 has not "arrived on time", what is the alternative? |
| 13:23.38 | thiago | hacks |
| 13:24.19 | thiago | harmattan uses a hacked XInput2.0, which is what we have in MeeGo 1.2 |
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| 13:24.31 | RST38h | So, is it bad? |
| 13:24.42 | RST38h | Given that it is still XInput2? |
| 13:24.45 | thiago | it works, it's what we could do in time |
| 13:26.23 | javispedro | RST38h: from what I understand, XInput2.0 mostly just maps what the kernel outputs, and there are up to three kernel protocols (harmattan, official type a, official type b) |
| 13:26.39 | javispedro | while XInput2.1 tries to do a bit more work (it has beingtouch events, etc) |
| 13:26.47 | javispedro | *begintouch |
| 13:26.55 | thiago | XInput 2.0 was created for Multi-Pointer X |
| 13:27.16 | thiago | which didn't get much of an adoption. It doesn't support multiple touch points for the same pointer. |
| 13:29.19 | javispedro | I'd bet they wanted each touch to be a different pointer. |
| 13:29.39 | javispedro | but this was horribly hard frm the toolkit PoV |
| 13:29.40 | thiago | they wanted multiple mice and multiple keyboard |
| 13:29.49 | thiago | with multiple focus and active windows |
| 13:31.52 | CosmoHill | looks at the Blackberry 9105 |
| 13:32.19 | javispedro | either way, the harmattan way doesn't look very bad. |
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| 13:36.11 | dyrvere | cool, pcie_aspm=force in the start commands do work. |
| 13:41.23 | dyrvere | §qaz |
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| 13:45.38 | lcuk | thiago, sounds complex |
| 13:50.58 | javispedro | hey lcuk |
| 13:52.09 | lcuk | hiya javispedro \o |
| 13:52.31 | javispedro | all right around? :) |
| 13:53.15 | javispedro | this reminds me I need to check all this xinput stuff on ideapad. |
| 13:53.21 | lcuk | javispedro, tiring! |
| 13:53.32 | javispedro | lcuk: I bet :) |
| 13:55.45 | lcuk | javispedro, the SDL stuff should be a nice and easy port |
| 13:56.04 | javispedro | well, I'm adding MT support to it. |
| 13:56.18 | lcuk | more complex then! |
| 13:56.25 | lcuk | how well do the apps seem to integrate? |
| 13:56.50 | javispedro | well, look good enough on sbox -- swipe works for example :) |
| 13:57.00 | lcuk | that is good |
| 13:57.34 | lcuk | when I have been sat down I have been looking around qt stuff |
| 13:57.43 | javispedro | can't wait to be able to do the booby test on a SDL app ;) |
| 13:57.51 | lcuk | heh |
| 14:01.02 | RST38h | with multitouch no doubt? |
| 14:01.17 | RST38h | and with tactile...feedback? |
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| 14:05.11 | javispedro | tactile feedback is planned =) |
| 14:05.30 | javispedro | but for now just different colors for each finger. |
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| 16:17.06 | npm | how many upgrades will the SSD's be able to do on the ExoPC within their 3hree year "lifespan" ? |
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| 16:18.19 | niala | hello.. I search tablet version, where is it? |
| 16:18.21 | niala | please |
| 16:18.28 | npm | begins to worry after upgrading yesterday, and then upgrading again today... hopes for kernel-adaptation-pinetrail-2.6.38.2-8.19 |
| 16:18.50 | npm | niala: http://download.meego.com/live/MeeGo:/1.2:/oss/standard/MeeGo:1.2:oss.repo |
| 16:18.55 | npm | is what i'm upgrading to |
| 16:19.30 | niala | thank you npm |
| 16:19.34 | npm | also http://download.meego.com/live/MeeGo:/1.2:/non-oss/MeeGo_1.2/MeeGo:1.2:non-oss.repo |
| 16:19.49 | npm | there's also a 1.2.0 with an update directory in the same hierarchy |
| 16:19.54 | npm | might be safer ? |
| 16:20.11 | npm | or may just more bugs :-) |
| 16:20.28 | npm | s/may/maybe |
| 16:21.15 | npm | fyi -- upgrades go much faster if you init 3 ... something in the UX runs interrupts constantly |
| 16:21.25 | Elleo | niala: https://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.2/meego-tablet-developer-preview |
| 16:21.52 | niala | ok Elleo that's it thank you |
| 16:22.18 | npm | Elleo: that would give you a very sucky tablet UX |
| 16:22.48 | npm | the one that needed to be upgraded from almost right away |
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| 16:23.22 | niala | what is mfld? mrst? |
| 16:23.23 | npm | because it suggests http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/stable/1.2.0.90/1.2.0.90.0.20110517.1/images/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail |
| 16:23.46 | npm | different chips. you want "kernel adaptation pinetrail" on an typical atom |
| 16:24.02 | npm | ^^ niala |
| 16:24.54 | niala | in fact i have a netbook (atom) with touchscreen. I'va already install one version but I don't remember which version. |
| 16:25.53 | npm | the pinetrail version gives you a later kernel with fewer bugs imho |
| 16:28.06 | npm | misses gtkish goodness of meegotouch-inputmethodbridges-0.2.3-1.6.i586.rpm |
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| 16:31.36 | hyde_ | hi, a question: does latest Meego play video files flawlessly? I mean, just creating the simplest possilbe QtMultimedia or Phonon-based video player, does it work properly, no playback problems? |
| 16:32.04 | thiago | depends on the video file and on the hardware |
| 16:34.06 | hyde_ | well, I guess I'll have to just install Meego on the device and try |
| 16:35.07 | npm | hyde_: http://ytd-meego.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/playground/qmltube/ works ok for most internet video, however sometimes it pauses, whereas with a wired connection it doesn't .... |
| 16:35.16 | niala | hyde_, by default (because of license) there is no mp3 divx and so |
| 16:35.39 | npm | see http://wiki.meego.com/tubelet-and-cutetube-port |
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| 16:36.54 | npm | actually, i'd like to have somene try with a typical meego install and tell me how it fails due to missing codecs, etc. |
| 16:40.55 | niala | to have mp3 etc to work you must re-compil gstreamer et gstreamer-plugin |
| 16:41.56 | hyde_ | hmm, is there USB-bootable image suitable for all-in-one-type touch screen PC? |
| 16:42.16 | hyde_ | (also has USB ports so touch screen support irrelevant for testing) |
| 16:42.40 | niala | hyde_, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/stable/1.2.0.90/1.2.0.90.0.20110517.1/images/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail/ |
| 16:43.27 | berndhs | libzypp says it depends on Qt-3 |
| 16:43.32 | berndhs | 3 !! |
| 16:44.21 | niala | libzypp is a joker |
| 16:44.22 | npm | to have mp3/etc, you install from fedora :-) http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Lem |
| 16:44.39 | berndhs | yea well, libzypp is needed for mic |
| 16:45.15 | berndhs | as in bug 19612 |
| 16:45.18 | MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19612 nor, Undecided, ---, jian-feng.ding, NEW, mic2 missing dependency python-zypp on fedora-15 repo |
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| 16:47.17 | npm | hyde_: per my experience porting qmltube, "the simplest possilbe QtMultimedia or Phonon-based video player" works properly if you use QGLWidget as wrapper... |
| 16:47.23 | npm | e.g. http://ytd-meego.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/playground/qmltube/main.cpp |
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| 16:48.26 | npm | ^^^ pls code-review this oh experts of qt-and-gl-ness |
| 16:52.10 | hyde_ | npm, niala, thanks |
| 16:52.38 | hyde_ | just getting mic2, which I presume I need for using the .img file |
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| 16:55.39 | niala | to use .img file you only need 'dd' |
| 16:56.33 | hyde_ | ah |
| 16:57.30 | hyde_ | ha, found Intel android/robot figure USB stick, just perfect for testing Meego... plus I can rip out it's arms and legs one by one if it doesn't work ;-) |
| 16:58.29 | hyde_ | ...so, I'll be using mic2 to create my own .img, if I determine that Meego works for my purpose and want to create a custom image? |
| 17:00.32 | niala | hyde_, a tips like: dd if=/repertory/file.img of=/dev/usbxx |
| 17:01.51 | niala | and then boot usb |
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| 17:04.04 | hyde_ | niala, yeah, I'm familiar with dd... :-). but a question: why did you link to 20110517, and not 20110607? |
| 17:04.34 | hyde_ | ie. is that later image known to be... less good, or just by random chance? |
| 17:04.40 | niala | euh... i don't know |
| 17:04.44 | niala | :) |
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| 17:12.07 | npm | and why not 0701... |
| 17:12.25 | npm | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.45 | berndhs | maybe he did it on 20110518 |
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| 17:14.46 | niala | hyde_, http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Release_Versioning |
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| 17:19.18 | hyde_ | niala, cool. npm, there's no 0701, as far as I can find. |
| 17:19.31 | hyde_ | 0628 seems to be the newest |
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| 17:22.01 | hyde_ | ...also, just to make sure: the .imgs at repo.meego.com are something which boot to the OS from the USB stick, and not something which overwrite first hard disk to install a bootable image there? :-) |
| 17:22.46 | Andy80 | Elleo: I was finally able to setup Scratchbox+QtCreator and run a simple Harmattan hello world :) |
| 17:23.15 | niala | hyde_, right |
| 17:25.34 | hyde_ | (reading wiki), hmm, the mic2 wiki page shows how to create .usbimg image. Is that image different from the .img available for download, or same thing with different extension? |
| 17:26.49 | niala | same thing, .ks is to personnalise your image |
| 17:27.01 | Andy80 | Elleo: but I'm not able to run (but it compiles perfectly) your libre.fm client. I think the problem is that the compiled binary is copied in a different location then my test project... |
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| 17:31.44 | hyde_ | Andy80: is it dynamic library loading problem, plugin loading problem, qml loading problem, or something else? |
| 17:33.55 | Andy80 | hyde_: QtCreator simply cannot find the executable inside Scratchbox. Anyway if I try to execute it from inside Scratchbox I have an error anyway: http://pastebin.com/85jNt1qD |
| 17:35.38 | Andy80 | hyde_: probably Elleo is using some particular configuration in QtCreator.... because creating a simple new project works. |
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| 17:37.17 | smoku | Where are the MeeGo Tablet UX packages in OBS? I would like to fork them, but I cannot find them. |
| 17:38.41 | Stskeeps | Trunk |
| 17:38.46 | Stskeeps | or devel:ux |
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| 17:53.30 | smoku | Stskeeps, Unable to find package 'meego-ux-appgrid' in project 'MeeGo:Trunk'. |
| 17:54.46 | Elleo | Andy80: I setup the run configuration to run ./src/librefm iirc |
| 17:55.18 | Elleo | alternatively you can build it as a debian package and install it system wide with icon and such |
| 17:55.23 | smoku | found it in MeeGo.com Trunk |
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| 17:55.38 | smoku | why isn't it searchable in community OBS ui? |
| 17:55.45 | Elleo | although you may need to change the qml path in the source first |
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| 18:06.59 | Andy80 | Elleo: using ./src/librefm works, thank you :) |
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| 18:13.52 | Elleo | Andy80: great :) |
| 18:14.17 | Elleo | none of the new station stuff is done yet, so it's pretty much hardwired to just letting you listen to a few of my stations :P |
| 18:15.26 | Andy80 | Elleo: err.... just some coredump problems :P http://pastebin.com/2tvBpeQ7 |
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| 18:15.55 | Andy80 | Elleo: but don't worry, it's growing well :) |
| 18:18.45 | Elleo | Andy80: yeah, it doesn't yet deal with scenarios where it gets an empty list (where there isn't enough content, etc.) |
| 18:25.55 | hyde_ | ok, it booted, now I just need to enable mouse pointer.. |
| 18:25.59 | hyde_ | any suggestions? |
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| 18:26.22 | hyde_ | quick googling showed it may not be as trivial as I thought, but maybe I just didn't find the right page |
| 18:28.13 | Stskeeps | smoku: MeeGo.com: |
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| 18:29.18 | dm8tbr | Stskeeps: back from your vacation? |
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| 18:43.58 | hyde_ | ...ok, continuing with stupid questions... how to restart X on Meego? (from command line as root, for instance) |
| 18:44.52 | thiago | hyde_: uxstart does that for you |
| 18:45.34 | hyde_ | there's only uxlaunch (and uxterm, which probably has nothing to do with meego ux stuff...) |
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| 18:47.16 | hyde_ | ...which killed X, but hasn't yet restarted it |
| 18:47.57 | Stskeeps | killall Xorg? |
| 18:48.54 | hyde_ | killall uxlaunch at least recovered situation |
| 18:48.59 | hyde_ | and I got my mouse cursor :-) |
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| 18:57.10 | hyde_ | next question: how do I get out of the browser? using mouse or keyboard, that is (tablet ux)... |
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| 19:00.30 | hyde_ | oh well, now it froze totally |
| 19:00.46 | hyde_ | (when opening browser options, after showing them) |
| 19:03.44 | hyde_ | ...the tablet ux is supposed to be basically usable, right? (I mean for the stuff it has software for, such as web browsing) |
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| 19:06.13 | hyde_ | hmm, one more thing. Is there a reason the image reseted system clock to some date in May? |
| 19:06.50 | hyde_ | ie. is it intentional, or bug-type "feature"? :-) |
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| 19:23.59 | Parslee | bug proble |
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| 19:26.58 | niala | hyde_, do you have a keyboard? |
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