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| 01:31.34 | AndrewX192 | Hello, I have a question about QT Builder - I have QEMU running Maemo Harmattan, and QT creater is able to connect to the instance ("Test" works), but I cannot deploy my application because of a undescriptive "File Not Found" message. |
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| 01:48.06 | StevenLiu | hi Auke, are you here |
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| 01:50.45 | AndrewX192 | Wait, QT creater only works on 32bit *Nix? |
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| 02:33.15 | AndrewX192 | Can anyone assist me with QT Creater? |
| 02:36.12 | Jay_BEE | the MeeGo SDK is only validated on 32bit. I'm not sure of Nokia's Qt SDK. I suggest you visit #qt-creator |
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| 02:39.30 | Jay_BEE | there is also #meego-sdk |
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| 04:34.20 | npm | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:35.02 | npm | the screenlock that requires an init 3/init5 :-) |
| 04:35.54 | npm | i guess i humiliated the vkb into popping down so i can unlock the tablet |
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| 05:48.44 | zztr | i'm trying to load meego onto an old netbook and getting "grub loading stage1.5. grub loading, please wait... Error 17 _ |
| 05:49.04 | zztr | anyone encountered this? i can't find a solution |
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| 05:49.40 | dm8tbr | since when is meego using grub? |
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| 05:50.57 | zztr | hmm i know nothing of the boot process. i have ubuntu natty on my desktop, used unetbootin to create a bootable usb using the downloaded iso, plugged it in, and started it up |
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| 05:51.22 | zztr | maybe it's not even accessing the usb drive? |
| 05:51.39 | zztr | i've switched around everything i could find in the bios |
| 05:52.28 | dm8tbr | why did you use unetbootin? |
| 05:52.39 | dm8tbr | the image can be directly written to a usb stick |
| 05:52.44 | zztr | because it's a tool to use |
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| 05:53.04 | zztr | ok... |
| 05:53.19 | zztr | like cat meego.iso >/dev/sdc1? |
| 05:53.34 | dm8tbr | more like dd if=meego.iso of=/dev/sdc |
| 05:54.01 | zztr | i'll give it a shot. never used dd... |
| 05:54.48 | dm8tbr | you read this, right? https://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-your-netbook |
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| 05:56.06 | zztr | yeah, that page gives two options, downloading some random python script and doing a command that it warns you could overwrite your system hard disk. i'd used unetbootin before so i thought it would "just work" |
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| 06:01.04 | zztr | still getting error 17 |
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| 06:06.51 | zztr | oh hey, it worked this time |
| 06:07.17 | zztr | i left the usb mounted while i did dd |
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| 06:11.05 | zztr | "panic occurred" |
| 06:11.30 | zztr | it says to append a correct root= boot option... but where |
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| 06:52.52 | mcfrisk | Hello, obs question |
| 06:53.14 | mcfrisk | We imported a MeeGo snapshot to our obs to build against. |
| 06:53.46 | mcfrisk | Our own packages are available from the obs rpm repo, but the imported base line isn't. |
| 06:54.08 | mcfrisk | Where could I find the imported baseline, so I can point mic2 to it? |
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| 07:03.47 | mcfrisk | ok, by default /obs/imports are not available from obs repo like /obs/repos are.. |
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| 07:05.21 | Termana | morning |
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| 07:17.46 | mcfrisk | making obs imports visible in obs repo: ln -s /obs/imports/ /obs/repos/imports |
| 07:17.53 | mcfrisk | ... does that make sence? |
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| 07:30.35 | dm8tbr | mcfrisk: I'd love to help but I didn't have enough time to familiarize myself with out obs instance yet :/ |
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| 07:31.13 | dm8tbr | mcfrisk: you might want to 'accidentially' hilight lbt or X-Fade as they might be able to help. ... oops I just did! ;) |
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| 07:35.27 | Jay_BEE | re |
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| 07:37.46 | mcfrisk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:39.25 | Jay_BEE | so I am attempting to execute a qml using meego-ux-components on a qemu netbook via qt creator and it fails with the error Meego.Components is not installed, so I ssh to the qemu emulator and attempt to install it via zypper which fails with the error "the package integrity check failed" |
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| 07:42.13 | Jay_BEE | hmm... perhaps I need to add a more appropriate repo... |
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| 07:53.42 | Jay_BEE | hears crickets |
| 07:54.03 | Jay_BEE | heads over to #meego-sdk |
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| 08:10.18 | lbt | mcfrisk: #obs is a better place to ask. |
| 08:10.58 | lbt | I'm not sure OBS publishes the imported repos... there's never an event to trigger a publish |
| 08:11.12 | lbt | just point MIC to the repo you used as the source |
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| 08:12.05 | lbt | in our case we'd copy the baseline to a special place on the repo server and point mic there |
| 08:12.07 | niala | hello meego. here it's holidays raining :/ |
| 08:13.26 | lbt | niala: good excuse to stay in and hack then ;) |
| 08:14.01 | niala | yup :) |
| 08:14.44 | niala | i haven't tortured meego since 3months :) |
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| 08:25.57 | lbt | niala: take it out into the hot sun and stake it to the ground for the ants... |
| 08:26.16 | lbt | I'm not sure OTS can run that test automatically yet.... |
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| 08:28.56 | alterego | lcuk: ping |
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| 08:33.46 | alterego | lbt: |
| 08:33.56 | alterego | lbt: boss is having a fit in #meego-arm |
| 08:35.12 | thiago | what's happening? |
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| 08:37.21 | hiemanshu | thiago: Build failure in * non-stop |
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| 08:40.08 | lcuk | alterego, yo |
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| 08:42.16 | alterego | lcuk: was there any company name, dhl, ups, whatever on you parcel? |
| 08:42.30 | alterego | I think mine is lost and I need to ring someone up about it :P |
| 08:43.13 | lcuk | royal mail special delivery |
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| 08:43.28 | alterego | Okay, thanks. |
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| 08:51.51 | alterego | lcuk: do you know what the sender name is? |
| 08:51.57 | alterego | Was it Nokia? |
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| 08:55.10 | ieatlint | i just came in and stole the package |
| 08:55.19 | lcuk | alterego, speak to alex |
| 08:55.34 | hell | gg |
| 08:55.57 | alterego | lcuk: can you pm me her email? |
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| 09:38.25 | aissen | how does Qt on MeeGo implement multitouch events ? (ux tablet) Does it get them directly from kernel ? Does it uses a patch Xorg with XI 2.1 support ? |
| 09:39.35 | lcuk | aissen, I heard it does |
| 09:39.48 | lcuk | but the technical details elude me right now |
| 09:41.19 | aissen | lcuk: digging through the code right now. Apparently it relies on qt.labs.gesture, a qml component. |
| 09:41.37 | thiago | aissen: hacked XInput 2.0 |
| 09:41.46 | thiago | so neither |
| 09:41.58 | aissen | thiago: ouch. Thanks |
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| 09:42.18 | thiago | the evdev driver in X was hacked to produce touch events in XInput 2.0. The driver is called mtev. |
| 09:42.45 | thiago | the events are delivered via XInput 2.0, but that's non-standard. It works only between Qt and this driver. |
| 09:42.46 | aissen | thanks thiago . will look into the code. |
| 09:43.09 | thiago | the proper solution (XInput 2.1) isn't ready yet. |
| 09:43.18 | Jay_BEE | I'm outta here...peace! |
| 09:43.20 | thiago | by the time it will be ready, we'll have switched away from X |
| 09:43.21 | aissen | thiago: how non standard ? how are pointers managed/instanciated ? |
| 09:43.39 | aissen | thiago: so I've heard. |
| 09:43.51 | thiago | it uses evaluators in XInput2.0 to deliver the extra touch points. |
| 09:44.42 | thiago | the point is: the protocol between X and applications, where the extra touch points are located, how to find them, etc., isn't specified. |
| 09:44.59 | aissen | it is, in XI 2.1. |
| 09:44.59 | thiago | hence, "non-standard" |
| 09:45.04 | thiago | right, but we're using 2.0 |
| 09:45.19 | aissen | and ubuntu is shipping a 2.1-pre release in 11.04 |
| 09:45.33 | thiago | we're still using X.org 1.9 |
| 09:45.44 | aissen | so is ubuntu. |
| 09:45.52 | thiago | between a pre-release and another pre-release, we'll stick to the one we already have that is working |
| 09:46.01 | aissen | well, a with quite a load of patches, too ^^ |
| 09:46.12 | thiago | we would switch to 2.1 if it became ready in the August release of X.org |
| 09:46.22 | thiago | since it won't be, we'll stick to 2.0, then dump X |
| 09:46.24 | aissen | so the plan is to use wayland's input system next ? |
| 09:46.51 | aissen | any pointer/docs about the protocol that will be implemented in wayland ? |
| 09:46.57 | lcuk | thiago, the ideapad produces an odd multitouch pattern on the input without any extra drivers |
| 09:46.58 | thiago | ask in #wayland |
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| 10:03.09 | niala | running meego-sdk-installer-online-20110519 give me error404 |
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| 10:10.14 | niala | can the webmaster correct this link? |
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| 10:26.18 | andre__ | niala, it works for me. |
| 10:26.27 | andre__ | plus file a bug report with exact steps, please |
| 10:26.38 | andre__ | like what exactly you do, and when exactly it happens. |
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| 10:32.17 | alterego | lcuk: ping |
| 10:33.06 | lcuk | hey alterego |
| 10:33.30 | lcuk | stops trying to read strace log for a bit |
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| 10:34.27 | alterego | I heard from Alex, your devicdes got rushed to you because of the baby, mine hasn't even been sent out yet ;) |
| 10:34.50 | lcuk | heh \o/ |
| 10:34.59 | alterego | Apparently you just got the devs you requested, I was being sent a dev pack |
| 10:35.02 | niala | andre__, hi, seem to have dreamed that conversation that night ;-) |
| 10:35.29 | Venemo | alterego, what dev pack? |
| 10:36.01 | alterego | Anyway, so the guy sending it out is gonna get me a tracking number :) |
| 10:36.12 | lcuk | yes alterego, makes for a great start, trying to find out where I will be focusing |
| 10:37.03 | alterego | Venemo: a Nokia N8 and a Qt book I believe. |
| 10:37.25 | Venemo | alterego, not bad, but why are you interested in an N8? |
| 10:37.41 | MohammadAG | Venemo, don't worry, he'll lose interest in a week :p |
| 10:37.49 | Venemo | :D |
| 10:38.53 | alterego | Mostly it's media capabilities, but also cross platform Qt development. |
| 10:39.03 | Venemo | mhm |
| 10:39.08 | alterego | I've been wanting to target symbian w/ Columbus for ages. |
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| 10:39.39 | Venemo | I've successfully made Puzzle Master work on Symbian, but it was very non-fun :( |
| 10:40.25 | vvaltone | using raw symbian apis? |
| 10:41.07 | alterego | Heh |
| 10:41.11 | Venemo | I used Qt |
| 10:41.24 | Venemo | but for some functionality, I needed to use native Symbian APIs yes |
| 10:41.34 | Venemo | for example, Qt's file selection dialog is awful on Symbian |
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| 10:42.57 | lcuk | Venemo, to be fair, file select dialogs are a bit wonky everywhere |
| 10:43.12 | Venemo | lcuk, well, the Maemo one at least looks like the native dialog |
| 10:44.06 | special | Qt uses the native dialog on supported platforms, I'm surprised symbian isn't one |
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| 10:49.38 | Venemo | also, I had to hack through how it displays my window |
| 10:51.13 | lcuk | Venemo, qt bug? |
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| 10:52.20 | Venemo | lcuk, well, at the end I could solve it by displaying my window in fullscreen and removing the titlebar and softkeys |
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| 11:13.02 | niala | ok i understood, I have fedora15, i suppose link "http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/fedora/{version}/..." is wrong for me. Only 12 13 14 is supported |
| 11:13.19 | niala | andre__, |
| 11:14.54 | andre__ | niala, bug report as I said |
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| 11:16.13 | niala | is not really a bug, is just not supported yet |
| 11:16.26 | niala | fedora15 too young |
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| 11:32.29 | BestiaH | hi! |
| 11:32.34 | BestiaH | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:32.45 | BestiaH | It has't installation menu |
| 11:33.00 | BestiaH | t should be like this?? |
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| 12:01.12 | bkalinga | where can i set my lock-screen time out for tablet? |
| 12:05.18 | bkalinga | i just wanted to increase screensaver time out value for my tablet qemu |
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| 12:34.42 | shauky | hi |
| 12:35.44 | shauky | help |
| 12:36.14 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 12:36.26 | shauky | no? |
| 12:36.28 | SpeedEvil | What are you looking for help with sha? |
| 12:36.37 | shauky | ah |
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| 12:36.56 | shauky | broadband usb on meego |
| 12:36.57 | shauky | any ideas? |
| 12:37.15 | SpeedEvil | Not really. |
| 12:37.33 | shauky | yeah? too bad |
| 12:38.36 | SpeedEvil | You're trying to use usb with a netbook or something to get 3g connectivity? |
| 12:38.58 | shauky | on a fujitsu lifebook to get 3g yes |
| 12:39.22 | shauky | was wondering if there was a driver out there |
| 12:39.29 | shauky | to get it working |
| 12:40.17 | shauky | or at least a thread I could follow to see if there was any development |
| 12:41.17 | SpeedEvil | In principle, it should be similar to any desktop system - just requiring the right ppp setup and modem serial driver loaded. |
| 12:41.31 | SpeedEvil | I don't know if there is a nice GUI for it though. |
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| 12:43.53 | BestiaH | Hi there!! |
| 12:44.22 | shauky | alright |
| 12:44.26 | shauky | thanks |
| 12:44.36 | BestiaH | I have one problem and I don't know who I have to ask for this |
| 12:46.00 | BestiaH | It looks like every alternate release has no install menu |
| 12:46.13 | BestiaH | and when it is installed |
| 12:46.25 | BestiaH | it has a lot of problems |
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| 12:48.07 | BestiaH | why ? |
| 12:48.19 | BestiaH | Is there any way to solve it?? |
| 12:48.55 | slaine | BestiaH: what did you download ? |
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| 12:49.49 | BestiaH | the last release for netbooks |
| 12:49.54 | slaine | url |
| 12:50.08 | BestiaH | ok |
| 12:50.09 | slaine | I've downloaded and install 1.2 on a few machines, 0 issues |
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| 12:50.26 | slaine | All had a boot menu that let me choose to live boot or install |
| 12:50.39 | slaine | none had serious issues after install |
| 12:51.01 | BestiaH | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/latest/images/meego-netbook-ia32/ |
| 12:51.27 | BestiaH | actually it is successfully installed |
| 12:51.37 | BestiaH | but there is no installation menu |
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| 12:52.32 | BestiaH | the last week version (21/6) had installation menu |
| 12:53.30 | BestiaH | after install the first problem is that there is one icon missing |
| 12:54.25 | BestiaH | and when the applications are reopened from Zones desktop |
| 12:55.04 | BestiaH | the have very nasty behavior |
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| 13:06.08 | slaine | BestiaH: So you're not using releases, you're using nightlies ? |
| 13:06.46 | BestiaH | yep |
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| 13:08.46 | BestiaH | slaine: It happens to one nightlie yes and one nightlie no |
| 13:09.01 | slaine | Weird, never use nightlies |
| 13:09.05 | slaine | report a bug I guess |
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| 13:10.55 | BestiaH | slaine: Yes very weird... Ok, thanks for your help ;) |
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| 13:11.21 | BestiaH | I'll issue a bug |
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| 13:39.32 | Jaffa | tries to work out what the status of his package is on COBS after adding some build plans. Where do logs/statuses/queues appear? |
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| 13:40.28 | gabrbedd | Jaffa: under each build target? |
| 13:40.58 | Khertan | hiemanshu, https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17034 <<<< grrrr |
| 13:41.01 | MeeGoBot | Bug 17034 nor, Undecided, ---, fboudra, RESO FIXED, [CE] Remove obsolete meegotouch-qt-style packages |
| 13:41.20 | Jaffa | gabrbedd: OK, so I've turned on Ubuntu and MeeGo 1.2. On https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=attitude&project=home%3Ajaffa I see MeeGo_Trunk_Standard and a phrase "excluded" |
| 13:42.13 | Jaffa | Ah, if I got to my home project I see a link against "excluded" |
| 13:42.18 | Jaffa | OK, cool. No spec file - expected that. |
| 13:43.46 | Stskeeps|holiday | Khertan: my opinion is that if we fix the default setting thing, then we can readd the style |
| 13:44.47 | Khertan | Stskeeps|holiday, it s easy to fix |
| 13:45.11 | Jaffa | gabrbedd: Aha, adding Debian 6.0 now shows it up in the build status portlet. Something iffy about Ubuntu then (neither should actually build, but I want to check my mud2 script) |
| 13:45.30 | Khertan | Stskeeps|holiday, https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20035 << explain how to |
| 13:45.33 | MeeGoBot | Bug 20035 nor, Undecided, ---, miroslav.safr, RESO INVALID, [CE] Plain Qt Apps are unthemed installing meegotouch-qt-style apply theme but crash with qml app |
| 13:47.04 | gabrbedd | Is that the bug that makes me have to start all my Qt programs with `-style plastique` so that they won't crash? |
| 13:47.39 | thiago | probably |
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| 13:51.50 | gabrbedd | Jaffa: Just a wild-ass guess... but what did you put for `distro` in your changelog for Ubuntu? |
| 13:52.11 | Jaffa | gabrbedd: The default Qt Creator value of 'unstable' |
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| 13:54.55 | Jaffa | gabrbedd: But it doesn't show up as Excluded or Failed or anything like that. It's just not there on that target. However, since i have no plans to target Ubuntu 10.10 with build.pub.meego.com I'm not *too* worried since I've got one of the debian targets working |
| 13:55.37 | gabrbedd | Jaffa: ok |
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| 14:19.58 | jedix | Has anyone successfully built the sgx blob? |
| 14:20.22 | jonwil | what sgx blob? |
| 14:21.04 | jedix | the sgx libraries for opengl, etc |
| 14:22.55 | jonwil | Aren't those closed source? |
| 14:23.04 | jedix | yes |
| 14:23.15 | jonwil | so why are you asking if someone has built them? |
| 14:23.40 | jedix | because some people have the source under agreements |
| 14:24.20 | jonwil | oh ok |
| 14:24.21 | khertan | http://web23.twitpic.com/img/333589920-4c57d026643e58fdf55b10d4af5ee2c1.4e0b36e8-scaled.png |
| 14:24.34 | khertan | ^ KhtEditor on Scratchbox Harmattan SDK |
| 14:24.35 | khertan | :) |
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| 14:26.03 | Jaffa | khertan: Nice. Monospace font next? :-) |
| 14:26.21 | khertan | Jaffa, just a setting preferences |
| 14:26.32 | khertan | w8 i ll look if settings works :) |
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| 14:27.12 | khertan | Jaffa, how to close a window which haven't close button ? |
| 14:27.13 | khertan | :) |
| 14:27.13 | Jaffa | khertan: :) |
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| 14:29.15 | khertan | Jaffa, if i found how to close the windows prefs should be save |
| 14:29.15 | khertan | d |
| 14:31.20 | khertan | hum ... strange i cannot found anymore my application for the n9-devkit |
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| 14:32.06 | Jaffa | khertan: Erm, does it show up in the task switcher and can be closed there? |
| 14:32.38 | khertan | Jaffa, if i can jump to the task switcher yes ... but didn't found how ;) |
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| 14:32.56 | Jaffa | khertan: Drag from the very edge of the Xephyr window |
| 14:33.05 | Jaffa | khertan: I can still see mine at https://meego.com/user/me/track |
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| 14:35.52 | khertan | Jaffa, see mine too after logout/login |
| 14:35.53 | khertan | :) |
| 14:35.54 | khertan | thx |
| 14:35.58 | khertan | for the direct link |
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| 14:36.39 | Jaffa | khertan: Obviously trying to prove my overall worthiness for all sorts of things :_) |
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| 14:36.49 | khertan | Jaffa, did you drag fast ? |
| 14:36.54 | Jaffa | khertan: No, slowly |
| 14:36.55 | khertan | from the top ... no result |
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| 14:38.00 | khertan | but using scroll mouse wheel create segfault |
| 14:38.23 | Jaffa | OK, all. I had a tool which was a bit like spectacle (before it existed) called MUD (Maemo Unofficial Debs) back in the 770 days. http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/. I'm now developing a script to make Qt Creator projects autobuilder (incl. OBS) friendly (http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3694). The name 'mud2' is in my mind, but I need a new backronym. Thoughts? |
| 14:39.03 | Jaffa | It takes the qtc_packaging directory and produces various tarballs for use in OBS, handling a lot of the niggles vivainio's found and documented http://vivainio.github.com/vvdocprj/packaging.html |
| 14:39.35 | Jaffa | MeeGo Unobtusificated Distribution? |
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| 14:42.38 | berndhs | does it do 2 things? then you can say U = Unified,or Unification |
| 14:43.32 | Jaffa | berndhs: Does debs & (will do) RPMs :) |
| 14:43.38 | Jaffa | berndhs: So unified sounds spot on |
| 14:43.42 | berndhs | well, there you go |
| 14:43.46 | Jaffa | Ta muchly |
| 14:44.21 | khertan | lol 10 min to try to got the task switcher ... hihi ... |
| 14:44.24 | khertan | still not success |
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| 15:01.35 | campbieil | Wondering if anyone is coming to Intel's Meego event in London on Tuesday? |
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| 15:06.29 | hiemanshu | khertan: wow ok, maybe we should maitain it together |
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| 15:06.45 | Jaffa | campbieil: My brother is |
| 15:06.57 | Jaffa | campbieil: Trying to tempt him away from Android, and he loves the N9 |
| 15:07.40 | campbieil | Jaffa: can't blame him for that! |
| 15:08.30 | khertan | hiemanshu, yep i think |
| 15:09.35 | hiemanshu | khertan: so with the trolltech.conf change and the setting of style I think we can avoid the raster bug right? |
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| 15:13.02 | khertan | hiemanshu, yep |
| 15:13.14 | khertan | hiemanshu, as described in the bug i ve opened |
| 15:14.22 | hiemanshu | gah, managing 40+ tabs isnt fun :/ |
| 15:15.54 | CosmoHill | hiemanshu: number 27 wants your attention |
| 15:17.05 | hiemanshu | CosmoHill: hah, well that tab has about:config open :P |
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| 15:18.35 | hiemanshu | khertan: so I am telling on the bug report, that I'll help you maintain it |
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| 15:44.39 | CosmoHill | wtf, my mum hung a painting in my room whilst I was out |
| 15:44.59 | lcuk | CosmoHill, lol |
| 15:45.09 | lcuk | is it artistically pleasing? |
| 15:45.24 | CosmoHill | not my kinda thing |
| 15:45.48 | berndhs | check for surveillance equipment behind the painting, and in the fram |
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| 15:46.09 | CosmoHill | there betta not be any, it's above my bed |
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| 15:46.25 | CosmoHill | it's gonna be the first thing I see when I sit up >.< |
| 15:46.41 | berndhs | if it seems like the eyes are staring at you, they just might be :) |
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| 16:01.17 | CosmoHill | wait...I never had a picture hook there before |
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| 16:03.21 | Myrtti | surprise! |
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| 16:03.59 | Myrtti | they are conspiring to get you out the house by annoyance over crappy art |
| 16:04.09 | berndhs | it |
| 16:04.14 | berndhs | it's the antenna |
| 16:04.33 | CosmoHill | I swapped it for the one she put in my bro's room |
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| 16:07.09 | hiemanshu | CosmoHill: Its a conspiracy! |
| 16:07.16 | hiemanshu | that works for everything :P |
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| 16:09.01 | berndhs | if there is no proof, that's just proof that the conspirators are really really good |
| 16:09.03 | timoph | hiemanshu: No. The whole conspiracy is a cover up for something bigger :p |
| 16:09.12 | gabrbedd | CosmoHill: Dogs Playing Poker? |
| 16:09.21 | gabrbedd | CosmoHill: The Scream? |
| 16:09.24 | hiemanshu | timoph: The Rapture? :P |
| 16:09.45 | hiemanshu | CosmoHill: more nokia made meego phones? |
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| 16:11.08 | beerock | hello all, new to the meego tablet ux. I think its great but Im lost a bit..... |
| 16:11.14 | CosmoHill | berndhs: "just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they;re not following you" |
| 16:11.33 | CosmoHill | hiemanshu: I've owned two nokias, both died via cracked screen |
| 16:11.46 | CosmoHill | and a bully nicked my keypad from one :( |
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| 16:12.00 | hiemanshu | hah |
| 16:12.53 | beerock | I wonder how to transfer movies,music, files to it. preferably from the sdcard. anyone care to point me to a "how to" |
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| 16:19.21 | pixelgeek1 | beerock: Ideally, you'd sync it with an application like DoubleTwist. Unfortunately, it's not bundled in the opensource image. |
| 16:20.40 | pixelgeek1 | So, your real option right now is to use terminal mode to mount the USB or SDCard and then cp the files over. |
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| 16:21.52 | pixelgeek1 | For transferring files from a USB or SD card - |
| 16:21.52 | pixelgeek1 | sudo mkdir /media/files |
| 16:21.52 | pixelgeek1 | sudo mount /dev/sd?? /media/files |
| 16:21.52 | pixelgeek1 | where ?? is the USB or SD card (you can find this out using 'sudo fdisk -l'), then use cp to copy from /media/files to the appropriate place on ~home/meego/Downloads. |
| 16:21.52 | pixelgeek1 | When done, |
| 16:21.53 | pixelgeek1 | sudo umount /media/files |
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| 16:28.35 | timoph | I though it mounted mass storages automatically. IMO it's a bug if it doesn't |
| 16:29.55 | timoph | and if that really doesn't work I'd most likely use scp to copy the stuff |
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| 16:31.32 | gabrbedd | pixelgeek1: auke pointed to me yesterday that you can do `udisks --mount /dev/sd??` and it'll do most of that for you. |
| 16:31.37 | gabrbedd | Don't even need to sudo. |
| 16:32.10 | gabrbedd | timoph: Last I checked the MeeGo UX doesn't have a daemon to automatically mount devices that are plugged in. |
| 16:32.27 | pixelgeek1 | Ah - cool. The directions I posted were back from the start of the year. There's a lot that's changed in the last 6 months. |
| 16:32.28 | timoph | oh. it's a bug then :) |
| 16:32.40 | timoph | (or a missing FEA) |
| 16:32.42 | pixelgeek1 | I believe it's by design |
| 16:32.50 | timoph | weird |
| 16:32.55 | pixelgeek1 | (Don't shoot the messenger) |
| 16:32.56 | alterego | Well, I've uploaded librxsupport, libcolumbus to gitorious, now for columbus-plugins :) |
| 16:33.13 | gabrbedd | pixelgeek1: Don't feel bad... I've been doing that up until 2 days ago. |
| 16:33.15 | gabrbedd | :-) |
| 16:33.18 | timoph | holsters his sidearms :) |
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| 16:33.45 | gabrbedd | In fact, your instructions work on any linux distro, any time, any where. |
| 16:33.59 | timoph | true |
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| 16:42.17 | hell | can't wait my looser e-mail from nokia) |
| 16:43.29 | timoph | I think you can withdraw your application :p |
| 16:43.48 | berndhs | Nokia hasn't gotten around to ignoring my requests |
| 16:44.39 | hell | timoph: :-) 0.01% is a chance toooooo |
| 16:44.47 | timoph | yep :) |
| 16:45.32 | timoph | so patience. the yes/no will come during the next few days |
| 16:46.13 | hell | but i think, there are so many good developers and so little n950... |
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| 16:46.17 | timoph | I'm spending my time waiting by packaging stuff for the community edition |
| 16:47.05 | timoph | besides if I don't get it then I just need to wait for the n9 to be available |
| 16:47.31 | hell | n9 lacks a keys... |
| 16:48.10 | timoph | well yes but nothing that can be done to change that |
| 16:48.26 | timoph | just have to live with it or pick something else |
| 16:48.45 | hell | 3110, i want it new) |
| 16:49.09 | achipa | look at it from the bright side... you roughly have 50% chance of getting one |
| 16:49.18 | hell | or 6310i) |
| 16:49.36 | hell | achipa: maybe get and maybe not?)) |
| 16:50.29 | timoph | achipa: damn you. you just made monty python start singing in my head |
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| 16:53.16 | RST38h | *yawn* |
| 16:53.22 | RST38h | So,what's up? |
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| 16:53.51 | Myrtti | ceiling |
| 16:53.57 | timoph | sky |
| 16:54.11 | timoph | etc |
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| 16:54.30 | RST38h | ok |
| 16:55.03 | timoph | so not much :) |
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| 16:59.32 | beerock | @ pixelgeek1 Thanks, this is what I thought needed to be done, but was not sure of the commands. I have been able to install udiskie and it worked for mounting but still couldn't figure out how to copy. I will try your instructions soon :D |
| 17:00.38 | beerock | sure wish someone would put together a "pretty" file manager |
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| 17:39.08 | javier_mobile | X-Fade: ping |
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| 17:54.13 | lcuk | timoph, I will happily let jussi send you my device if you are not selected. you are so much more efficient at the technical stuff \o |
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| 17:59.49 | pabs3 | timoph: its actually good security policy to not automount |
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| 18:07.24 | lcuk | Jaffa, does attitude work on symbian? |
| 18:08.04 | timoph | \o/ |
| 18:08.09 | timoph | will get one |
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| 18:08.13 | lcuk | :D timoph |
| 18:08.32 | timoph | just noticed quim's tweet :) |
| 18:09.45 | alterego | timoph: :) |
| 18:09.48 | alterego | Me too! |
| 18:09.56 | timoph | cool |
| 18:09.57 | alterego | runs around, "I'm soooo happy" |
| 18:10.01 | alterego | Anyway, back to work .. |
| 18:11.01 | timoph | waits to see if snake game builds |
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| 18:14.28 | hell | timoph: congratulations! |
| 18:15.59 | hiemanshu | is getting one too :D |
| 18:16.21 | petteri | hopefully well also see some results, like some nice opensource apps or something :) |
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| 18:20.54 | Jaffa | lcuk: It does. Tested on N8 and C7 |
| 18:20.59 | Jaffa | lcuk: Let me stick the installer somewhere. |
| 18:21.49 | Jaffa | lcuk: http://bleb.org/software/maemo/Attitude_installer_qt-4_7_3_symbian3.sis |
| 18:21.53 | hell | heh. Twice "Sergey Ivanov", interesting, what thinking third one |
| 18:22.40 | TSCHAKeee | hasn't received a response :( |
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| 18:33.04 | rcg1 | meh und unser danone is nu auch weg |
| 18:33.14 | rcg1 | err.. |
| 18:33.22 | rcg1 | sorry.. wrong window |
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| 19:11.25 | smoku | how do I install tablet ui on meego? is there a pattern for it? |
| 19:12.40 | thiago | get the tablet UX image, run it |
| 19:13.13 | smoku | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.2.0/images/ only core ivi and netbook |
| 19:13.44 | thiago | start from the homepage, the pre-releases are there |
| 19:13.56 | timoph | smoku: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.2.0.90/ |
| 19:14.00 | timoph | try one of those |
| 19:15.01 | smoku | that's helpfull. thanks timoph |
| 19:15.11 | timoph | np |
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| 19:16.25 | smoku | @MeeGo Tablet and @MeeGo Tablet Applications - as per .ks, if anyone wonders |
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| 19:27.44 | peterbjornx | hello |
| 19:28.31 | peterbjornx | i've got a problem, my N900 died and the store wants to replace it, what phone is most likely to get a community MeeGo port? |
| 19:29.30 | thiago | N9 |
| 19:29.57 | peterbjornx | what if they wont let me wait with choosing a phone |
| 19:30.01 | peterbjornx | any current phones |
| 19:30.05 | berndhs | N900 |
| 19:30.27 | thiago | all of them very unlikely to get a CE |
| 19:30.39 | peterbjornx | read my message, my n900 is dead and they said i need to choose a new phone |
| 19:30.51 | peterbjornx | how much work is a port\ |
| 19:30.54 | thiago | choose another N900 |
| 19:31.00 | peterbjornx | i cant |
| 19:31.05 | peterbjornx | as those arent made anymore |
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| 19:31.50 | ali1234 | since unhelpful experts are being unhelpful i will answer your question :) |
| 19:32.13 | ali1234 | a port is an extremely large amount of work and any meego phone requires 3d acceleration drivers which are never available |
| 19:32.39 | peterbjornx | i dont know how much you know about the internals of meego and android, is graphics driver from android portable toXorg? |
| 19:32.42 | ali1234 | there are already "ports" to a couple of HTC phones but they don't have 3d drivers so they are useless |
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| 19:32.46 | ali1234 | no |
| 19:32.53 | peterbjornx | how useless |
| 19:32.57 | peterbjornx | no UI? |
| 19:32.59 | berndhs | I would guess a port is maybe 6 to 18 man-months of work, if there are no unsurmountable problems |
| 19:33.00 | ali1234 | android uses different type of 3d drivers and they are NOT portable |
| 19:33.09 | ali1234 | that is the major problem for all ports to android phones |
| 19:33.19 | thiago | assuming you can get the drivers from the manufacturer |
| 19:33.25 | thiago | otherwise, the UI is just unbearably slow |
| 19:33.36 | ali1234 | the current ports have a UI but it runs in software 3d mode so it is incredibly slow and runs out the battery in about 8 seconds |
| 19:33.36 | peterbjornx | what if its a phone that uses a GPU very much alike the N900 powervr chip |
| 19:34.21 | dm8tbr | that might actually get easier with wayland. I hear wayland might be able to use android GLES drivers, but oh well softfloat vs hardfloat... |
| 19:34.28 | dm8tbr | c.f. bug 17570 |
| 19:34.31 | MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17570 nor, Undecided, ---, ibrahim, NEW, Lack of hardfp compiled graphics drivers from TI, Qualcomm, nVidia, etc |
| 19:34.42 | ali1234 | wayland is more "framebuffery" so maybe |
| 19:34.59 | wmarone_ | lack of compatibility with glibc would be almost a big a problem, no? |
| 19:35.13 | dm8tbr | wmarone_: if they are linked against bionic, you're screwed |
| 19:35.31 | dm8tbr | never checked |
| 19:35.41 | niala | hi another question about broken n900. My usb n900 is broken... can i install/boot meego with no usb plug? |
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| 19:35.51 | ssvb | thiago: does it have to use mesa software implementation? |
| 19:35.55 | peterbjornx | is it possible to try to resolder a N900 power socket manually |
| 19:36.09 | thiago | ssvb: it's preferable to use actual hardware acceleration, sure |
| 19:36.11 | ali1234 | you got the breaking off usb socket problem? |
| 19:36.11 | wmarone_ | peterbjornx: it is possible, but not easy by any means |
| 19:36.14 | dm8tbr | niala: the only critical part is getting U-boot installed I guess |
| 19:36.30 | ali1234 | that's a really common problem... i've heard of people fixing it themselves |
| 19:36.50 | dm8tbr | peterbjornx: I have never seen it, but it depends if traces were lifted off the pcb etc |
| 19:36.57 | peterbjornx | well |
| 19:37.05 | peterbjornx | from the looks of it pcb's fine |
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| 19:37.15 | dm8tbr | it should be possible in many cases if you have a fine smd iron and lots of enamel wire |
| 19:37.29 | peterbjornx | enamel? |
| 19:37.42 | ali1234 | not sure why you'd need enamel wire to fix that... |
| 19:37.46 | dm8tbr | very thin wire with a thin insulating coating |
| 19:37.57 | ali1234 | anyway it should be doable |
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| 19:38.02 | dm8tbr | ali1234: if you have to replace traces |
| 19:38.07 | ali1234 | ah ok |
| 19:38.12 | ssvb | thiago: too bad that there is no free software friendly 3d hardware for mobile devices yet |
| 19:38.14 | dm8tbr | has done such stuff |
| 19:38.14 | ali1234 | nokia boards don't have *any* visible traces |
| 19:38.20 | dm8tbr | it's a royal pain but possible |
| 19:38.22 | ali1234 | really amazing to look at |
| 19:38.27 | ali1234 | never seen any other boards like them |
| 19:38.43 | dm8tbr | ah, multi-layer |
| 19:38.53 | ali1234 | all they have is the pads for the components and everything else is on the internal layers |
| 19:38.57 | dm8tbr | well, then you're likely screwed |
| 19:39.03 | ali1234 | not really |
| 19:39.30 | dm8tbr | you can try catch the via with the solder |
| 19:39.49 | dm8tbr | or hope that it comes out somewhere else |
| 19:39.52 | ali1234 | if it was a badly soldered connector to start with likely the pads are intact |
| 19:40.07 | peterbjornx | it was |
| 19:40.14 | peterbjornx | but how hard is it to solder it |
| 19:40.20 | dm8tbr | yes, if just connector and pcb separated then it's easy |
| 19:40.29 | ali1234 | if you need to ask it's probably too hard for you |
| 19:40.29 | peterbjornx | and is the n900 pcb easily overheated |
| 19:40.29 | dm8tbr | peterbjornx: fine SMD soldering iron, 5s |
| 19:40.47 | peterbjornx | well i usually only solder THT |
| 19:40.49 | ali1234 | but it's possible for any solder monkey with experience of this type of thing :) |
| 19:41.00 | dm8tbr | btw: are there any pictures of the n900 pcb with the usb connector? |
| 19:41.16 | peterbjornx | is the usb also connected to the test pads? |
| 19:41.23 | ali1234 | i think so |
| 19:42.14 | ali1234 | dm8tbr: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/n900/images/n900_11.jpeg |
| 19:42.29 | DocScrutinizer | wut? |
| 19:42.36 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 19:42.38 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 19:42.51 | dm8tbr | :p |
| 19:43.18 | ali1234 | DocScrutinizer: your image? |
| 19:43.20 | DocScrutinizer | peterbjornx: yes |
| 19:43.27 | ali1234 | just found it through google images |
| 19:43.28 | DocScrutinizer | ali1234: yes |
| 19:43.43 | DocScrutinizer | ~ DocScrutinizer |
| 19:43.43 | infobot | from memory, docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko |
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| 19:44.22 | peterbjornx | docscrutinizer: do you have a pinout for the test pads |
| 19:44.28 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
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| 19:45.33 | peterbjornx | is it online or can you upload it for me? |
| 19:45.47 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71414&page=4 |
| 19:46.59 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71414 actually |
| 19:47.22 | ali1234 | oh wow so that whole topic is about broken usb connectors :) |
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| 19:48.44 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=997818&postcount=9 |
| 19:48.52 | ali1234 | peterbjornx: btw you could ask for a 5800 and to keep the broken n900... they use same battery so you can charge it in the 5800 and then put it in the n900 :) |
| 19:50.42 | peterbjornx | do you think they still have the n900? |
| 19:51.05 | peterbjornx | i was thinking about soldering some thin wires to test pads\ |
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| 19:52.11 | DocScrutinizer | soldering to the testpads is not really encouraged |
| 19:53.01 | peterbjornx | cause of the no-protection issues? |
| 19:53.01 | DocScrutinizer | the thread above has links to instructions how to properly fix a broken USB |
| 19:53.23 | DocScrutinizer | peterbjornx: cause of general messup by doing that |
| 19:53.56 | DocScrutinizer | the wires are under the battery, and you have no proper way to route them anywhere |
| 19:54.16 | DocScrutinizer | also especially not to the original USB |
| 19:54.41 | DocScrutinizer | let me toss you the other 2 links from my bookmarks |
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| 19:55.36 | DocScrutinizer | damn, pics gone http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=997818&postcount=9 |
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| 19:55.43 | DocScrutinizer | oops |
| 19:55.54 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=693493#post693493 |
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| 19:56.57 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=547991#post547991 |
| 19:58.17 | peterbjornx | thx |
| 19:58.49 | DocScrutinizer | btw http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Gallery-N900-exploded/ has 2 pics of a blank pcb |
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| 20:01.31 | ali1234 | how did you manage to get those? |
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| 20:04.07 | DocScrutinizer | china makes it possible |
| 20:04.45 | DocScrutinizer | anyway you can get all the relevant 3 traces on components nearby inside the can next to USB |
| 20:05.54 | DocScrutinizer | I'm sure talk.maemo.org has pictures of reworks that did that |
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| 20:06.17 | DocScrutinizer | 5..10mm wire x 3 |
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| 20:08.58 | DocScrutinizer | studying the schematics and component placement diagrams therein you can spot the right solder points |
| 20:09.37 | DocScrutinizer | din't worry about ID pin, it's mostly useless on N900 |
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| 20:10.06 | DocScrutinizer | GND is obvious, leaves 3 to fix |
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| 20:12.17 | Venemo | alterego, good news: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia -> see Results |
| 20:12.24 | Venemo | alterego, your name appears just below mine :) |
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| 20:15.31 | npm | yess! (thanks quim and nokia) |
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| 20:15.59 | DocScrutinizer | peterbjornx: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870017&postcount=27 get the zip |
| 20:16.17 | TSCHAKeee | :( |
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| 20:21.04 | Venemo | lcuk, I see your name in the list as well :) |
| 20:21.17 | lcuk | yup |
| 20:21.32 | lcuk | will be testing cross platformness |
| 20:21.39 | lcuk | I hope you can help Venemo :) |
| 20:21.56 | lcuk | your app is quite an inspiration |
| 20:21.59 | Venemo | lcuk, sure I can help :) |
| 20:22.05 | Venemo | thanks for the kind words :) |
| 20:22.09 | alterego | Venemo: :) yes it does :) |
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| 20:22.56 | Venemo | although MohammadAG should also recieve one |
| 20:23.34 | MohammadAG | congrats Venemo, lcuk and alterego |
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| 20:24.10 | MohammadAG | I doubt I'm getting one now tbh |
| 20:24.11 | frals | will be testing cross lcukness |
| 20:24.30 | frals | btw MohammadAG, just out of curiousity, are you under-age? |
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| 20:24.45 | Venemo | lcuk, are we still talking liqbase or you're planning a new app? |
| 20:25.54 | lcuk | Venemo, liqbase remains - nothing will run as fast or smooth as it on my other devices |
| 20:26.07 | DocScrutinizer | I hope MohammadAG wasn't on the list just because they are sending a contract to him to hire him |
| 20:26.10 | MohammadAG | frals, no, not in IL |
| 20:26.35 | MohammadAG | and I already dealt with a DDP once |
| 20:26.49 | frals | ok, just checking |
| 20:27.29 | DocScrutinizer | actually Nokia is rather late on hiring MohammadAG - should have done that 4 months ago |
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| 20:27.46 | frals | why would anyone want to join nokia at this point? |
| 20:27.52 | frals | especially if you are in to oss? |
| 20:27.59 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, fair point |
| 20:28.02 | MohammadAG | Was just writing that |
| 20:28.19 | frals | (for the record, i cant imagine a better place to work than where i work atm) |
| 20:28.31 | DocScrutinizer | that's why Nokia definitely is late on this :-D |
| 20:28.34 | frals | if only elop never happend... bah ;P |
| 20:31.12 | Venemo | lcuk :) |
| 20:31.42 | Venemo | :D |
| 20:31.46 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, anyway, again, considering Android atm |
| 20:31.47 | Venemo | MohammadAG could punch elop |
| 20:32.18 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I can see why |
| 20:34.18 | MohammadAG | I'll wait for the final list |
| 20:34.40 | niala | good luck to you |
| 20:35.06 | MohammadAG | thanks |
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| 21:28.20 | Venemo | MohammadAG, android? srsly? |
| 21:28.27 | trumee | Does N9/N950 support sip/google talk/skype video calls? |
| 21:30.11 | alterego | trumee: not sure about video calls, we'll have to wait and see |
| 21:31.07 | trumee | alterego: couldnt find any info on voip capabilities of the phone |
| 21:32.18 | MohammadAG | Venemo, ignore that, I came to my senses |
| 21:32.54 | trumee | hopes that this bug (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10388) is fixed in harmattan |
| 21:32.55 | povbot | Bug 10388: Choppy audio in SIP conversation, WLAN power save problem? |
| 21:32.58 | MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10388 tri, Low, ---, janne.hietamaki, CLOS WONTFIX, Support blocked field for test results |
| 21:33.43 | DocScrutinizer | skype is rather questionable |
| 21:34.09 | Venemo | MohammadAG :) |
| 21:34.25 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: questionable? |
| 21:34.34 | DocScrutinizer | you're aware skype is closed and highly proprietary, and been recently bought out by M$ |
| 21:35.02 | niala | oooh funny ctrl+wheel zoom text in qtcreator editor... |
| 21:35.10 | DocScrutinizer | M$ maybe doesn't like to support meego |
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| 21:36.07 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: sip/google talk video calls will be enough to keep me happy |
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| 21:36.26 | DocScrutinizer | I'd bet some coins on SIP |
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| 21:37.08 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: also badly need this, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3063 |
| 21:37.09 | povbot | Bug 3063: SIP Voice Mail message notification |
| 21:37.11 | MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3063 enh, High, 1.0.80.15, tomas.junnonen, VERI READYFORINTEGRATION, [FEA] Meego touch framework - Notification |
| 21:37.49 | Venemo | I have a stupid question. How can I upload a pic to appear next to my name on the MeeGo forum? I uploaded a profile picture to my account, but it doesn't appear in the forum. |
| 21:38.00 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: that's indeed bad. But then otoh I've seen sipgate drop MWI support |
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| 21:38.51 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: i am running my own * server. MWI is essential |
| 21:38.54 | sumanah | DawnFoster: fyi I'm inputting my notes from your OSBridge talk at http://opensourcebridge.org/2011/wiki/Online_Community_Metrics:_Tips_and_Techniques_for_Measuring_Participation#Contributed_notes |
| 21:38.58 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: seems providers adopt email notification and web frontends for MWI |
| 21:39.11 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: looks like not going to happen, https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8278 |
| 21:39.14 | MeeGoBot | Bug 8278 enh, Undecided, ---, gavin.hindman, INDE, [FEA] VoIP/IM backend - Message Waiting indication for SIP |
| 21:39.23 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: I'd like to see MWI support as well, just saying... |
| 21:41.23 | DocScrutinizer | been a fair bit involved in twinlephone development, I'm not too excited about telepathy sofiasip or whatever it's called today |
| 21:42.33 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: yeah, twinklephone works great. |
| 21:43.25 | DocScrutinizer | and the sip stack been designed by a contributor to relevant VoIP IETF RFCs it seems |
| 21:44.21 | DocScrutinizer | on sip providers and their tech folks it's considered reference quality for the sip implementation |
| 21:44.59 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: other day i had a play with cSipSimple on android, it has nice functionality too. |
| 21:45.52 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: There are a few Freeswitch developers who have android phones, so sip works quite well on android |
| 21:46.20 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, I see |
| 21:47.34 | DocScrutinizer | well, twinklephone was a fallout of michel de boer evaluating certain aspects of sip server implementations |
| 21:48.08 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: he seems to have abandoned it now. Qt4 port was never made. |
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| 21:48.19 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 21:48.53 | DocScrutinizer | qt4 port is hard, the program logic is exploiting qt3 aspects that don't map to qt4 |
| 21:49.28 | DocScrutinizer | so that'd be a complete rewrite of the GUI |
| 21:49.46 | DocScrutinizer | and michel *hates* gui development ;-) |
| 21:50.16 | DocScrutinizer | so twinkle is in a limbo state now |
| 21:51.09 | berndhs | hey the timing is right, skip Qt4 go to Qt5 in a few months |
| 21:51.17 | DocScrutinizer | and I'm not feeling like doing that either |
| 21:51.36 | DocScrutinizer | berndhs: good call :-) |
| 21:53.52 | w00t | learn Qt 4, and pretty much all of it will apply to Qt 5 |
| 21:54.09 | w00t | the APIs aren't changing |
| 21:54.19 | w00t | (except in rare cases) |
| 21:54.52 | berndhs | i can almost build qt5 |
| 21:55.05 | w00t | has a checkout on his laptop |
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| 21:55.35 | w00t | I'm still basing patches on Qt 4.8 for the moment though, since that's what I've got stuff built against - and thankfully I'm pretty much the only one working in my area right now |
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| 21:59.43 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, what kind of GUI development is that? I might be able to help, |
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| 22:00.35 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: twinkle? |
| 22:01.40 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, what is twinkle? |
| 22:01.58 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: twinklephone has a qt3 GUI, and the way qt3 is used makes it hard to port that to qt4 |
| 22:02.11 | DocScrutinizer | www.twinklephone.com |
| 22:02.13 | berndhs | http://www.twinklephone.com/ |
| 22:02.41 | berndhs | its in fedora main repo |
| 22:02.41 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: sth along mutex aiui |
| 22:03.39 | DocScrutinizer | twinkle uses mutex to safe GUI actions, and on qt4 this results in deadlocks. Something like that |
| 22:04.59 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: seems michel found a rather unusual way to weld the qt-based GUI to the core |
| 22:05.28 | DocScrutinizer | and this unusual way doesn't scale / port well to qt4 |
| 22:06.20 | DocScrutinizer | not sure if I got the bits together right, it's quite a few years ago since twinkle active development |
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| 22:06.39 | DocScrutinizer | when exactly been Qt4 released? |
| 22:07.00 | w00t | ~6-7 years ago |
| 22:07.06 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 22:07.19 | w00t | june 2005 |
| 22:08.04 | Venemo | mhmm |
| 22:08.07 | DocScrutinizer | well >>Version 1.4.2 has been released on February 25, 2009<< |
| 22:08.15 | DocScrutinizer | of twinklephone |
| 22:08.47 | DocScrutinizer | and that's been it for twinkle I guess |
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| 22:12.16 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: if you're seriously interested in tackling that issue with qt4 and twinkle, you probably should read the ML archives at http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/twinklephone/messages |
| 22:12.33 | DocScrutinizer | esp those of Michel deBoer |
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| 22:34.43 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, it seems like the kind of GUI which you can click together in Qt Designer in a few minutes :) |
| 22:36.35 | Venemo | good night |
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| 22:55.04 | CosmoHill | has had hicups for about 5 hours |
| 22:56.09 | TSCHAKeee | take a deep breath |
| 22:56.12 | TSCHAKeee | then slowly exhale |
| 22:56.16 | TSCHAKeee | all of it out |
| 22:56.18 | TSCHAKeee | all of it |
| 22:56.25 | TSCHAKeee | to the breaking point |
| 22:56.37 | TSCHAKeee | then slowly let air back in |
| 22:56.50 | TSCHAKeee | back out, all of it |
| 22:56.54 | TSCHAKeee | do it slowly. |
| 22:57.10 | TSCHAKeee | and concentrate on doing it slowly |
| 22:57.35 | TSCHAKeee | this will prevent the diaphragm spasms |
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| 23:01.35 | CosmoHill | hey they've gone |
| 23:01.38 | CosmoHill | thanks TSCHAKeee :D |
| 23:01.46 | TSCHAKeee | no problem :) |
| 23:01.49 | TSCHAKeee | you're welcome :) |
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| 23:08.42 | crope | I installed CSSU to my N900 and no I have big problems with GPS... |
| 23:08.53 | crope | very hard to get fix |
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| 23:21.00 | niala | gnight |
| 23:24.32 | Damion3 | night |
| 23:24.45 | Damion3 | not me btw |
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| 23:36.50 | MohammadAG | crope, CSSU doesn't change GPS libs, or anything related to GPS |
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| 23:37.01 | MohammadAG | and this isn't the right channel for that |
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