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| 00:45.58 | TSCHAKeee | I really am laughing profusely at all the mobile web sites |
| 00:46.14 | TSCHAKeee | who are SUDDENLY surprised that Nokia says it is releasing a Maemo 6 device this year |
| 00:46.18 | TSCHAKeee | ... |
| 00:46.47 | TSCHAKeee | apparently nobody remembers that right after the MeeGo announcement that Nokia said specifically that the next device would be Maemo 6 running Harmattan, which would be MeeGo compatible...but hey... |
| 00:47.01 | TSCHAKeee | the journos have drank coke since then. |
| 00:47.40 | TSCHAKeee | all the mobile blog writers are like a whole fucking room of OOshinies.... |
| 00:47.53 | berndhs | its hard for journalists to understand more than 1 thing at a time |
| 00:48.00 | TSCHAKeee | with the memory and attention span of a fucking goldfish |
| 00:48.54 | TSCHAKeee | and these guys truly do not understand how engineering works at the companies they're reporting on |
| 00:49.16 | GeneralAntilles | TSCHAKeee: what triggered it? |
| 00:49.25 | GeneralAntilles | hasn't been watching the news today. |
| 00:49.30 | TSCHAKeee | the simple fact that what these bloggers are seeing _NOW_.... the ENGINEERING DIVISIONS of these companies have COMMITTED TO... _YEARS_ IN ADVANCE. |
| 00:49.58 | TSCHAKeee | generalantilles: Nokia made another reminder announcement of it a couple days ago...and the bloggers have been chomping at it. |
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| 00:50.15 | TSCHAKeee | I swear, these guys are idiots. |
| 00:51.53 | TSCHAKeee | if Engadget says something ,i'm just gonna cry. |
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| 00:54.03 | berndhs | journalists should be charged serious money for using cut-and-paste buttons |
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| 01:06.18 | GeneralAntilles | Engadget has really hit rock bottom lately. |
| 01:06.41 | GeneralAntilles | Bunch of Green propaganda, and slobbery iOS reporting. |
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| 04:58.48 | DawnFoster | Quick reminder about the TSG starting in an hour: http://wiki.meego.com/Technical_Steering_Group_meetings#Next_TSG_meeting |
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| 05:00.10 | Stskeeps | good morning DawnFoster |
| 05:00.24 | DawnFoster | Stskeeps: or really late night :) |
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| 05:02.45 | DawnFoster | I'm normally getting ready for bed now |
| 05:02.47 | Termana | morning |
| 05:03.52 | Stskeeps | i'm ready for bed but i can't, have to go to work :P |
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| 05:09.46 | Ronksu | Stskeeps: did an allnighter? |
| 05:10.03 | Stskeeps | Ronksu: nah, just a sleepyhead |
| 05:10.48 | Ronksu | sounds more normal then ;) |
| 05:13.27 | Stskeeps | morn david |
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| 05:13.36 | lbt | mumbles something about 6am, 7am, UTC and coffee |
| 05:13.52 | DawnFoster | morning! |
| 05:13.53 | lbt | heya Carsten |
| 05:13.56 | DawnFoster | *yawn* |
| 05:13.59 | lbt | hi Dawn |
| 05:14.21 | DawnFoster | hey lbt |
| 05:16.25 | lbt | where are you staying Stskeeps? |
| 05:16.42 | Termana | You should all consider yourselves lucky - someone woke me up at 4:30 this morning and I couldn't get back to sleep :( |
| 05:17.08 | lbt | Cumulus Koskikatu ? |
| 05:17.11 | Stskeeps | lbt, scandic hotel tampere from this afternoon. up for dinner this evening? |
| 05:17.15 | lbt | Termana: I just woke up |
| 05:17.21 | lbt | yes, that'd be nice |
| 05:18.07 | Stskeeps | excellent, let's be in touch (i usually leave the office 4pm-ish) |
| 05:18.46 | lbt | I land around 4:45pm so should be at hotel by |
| 05:18.53 | lbt | 5:30? |
| 05:19.11 | Stskeeps | if landing in tampere, maybe |
| 05:19.57 | lbt | *nod* |
| 05:20.09 | lbt | leave in 1:40 |
| 05:20.25 | lbt | fairly long travel day with the tz and hop |
| 05:21.09 | lbt | OK ... bbiab |
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| 05:47.27 | DawnFoster | TSG meeting starting in 15 minutes: http://wiki.meego.com/Technical_Steering_Group_meetings#Next_TSG_meeting |
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| 06:07.22 | maclaver | Good evening/morning |
| 06:07.34 | StsN900 | morn maclaver :) |
| 06:08.04 | lbt | o/ |
| 06:08.18 | maclaver | Who from the TSG is here? |
| 06:08.37 | StsN900 | maclaver, mark skarpeness is standing in for imad |
| 06:09.35 | maclaver | OK, anybody else? |
| 06:10.09 | berndhs | who is the TSG now ? |
| 06:11.35 | maclaver | AFAIK it is just Imad, but there have been rumors - something I do not want to speculate (less FUD) |
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| 06:17.12 | lbt | glances at the MeeGo Summit.fi speaker talks... |
| 06:17.52 | Stskeeps | lbt, many ways to interpret. :P |
| 06:19.06 | maclaver | What is your take on the speaker talks? |
| 06:20.20 | lbt | for .fi ? |
| 06:20.34 | maclaver | Yes |
| 06:21.04 | lbt | "doing stuff for MeeGo" |
| 06:21.31 | lbt | they look practical - focus on delivery. |
| 06:22.18 | lbt | I'm interested in how the TSG WGs are going to collaborate |
| 06:22.30 | lbt | they are not part of the TSG per se |
| 06:23.03 | Stskeeps | there is a wiki page for WG process and ivi wg has minutes you can grab |
| 06:23.24 | lbt | I mean inter-WG and pan-WG |
| 06:23.29 | DawnFoster | http://wiki.meego.com/Working_Group_Process |
| 06:23.58 | lbt | really I'm thinking in the context of the BoF I proposed |
| 06:24.18 | Stskeeps | lbt, well, in daily life the executing will go on with the usual churn, i guess |
| 06:24.42 | Stskeeps | mwichmann: quickly checked ARM portions, no objections |
| 06:25.27 | lbt | does the compliance address the 'beta' issue Stskeeps? |
| 06:25.45 | Stskeeps | lbt, we have a seperate issue re that ongoing |
| 06:26.09 | lbt | so that's more TM ? |
| 06:26.12 | DawnFoster | also keep in mind that this is just 1.1 compliance |
| 06:26.23 | DawnFoster | we'll need to do this again for 1.2 |
| 06:26.34 | Stskeeps | i think its best to get 1.1 out the door now, as its waaaay too late |
| 06:26.35 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 06:26.42 | DawnFoster | you think? :) |
| 06:26.53 | lbt | yep |
| 06:27.12 | DawnFoster | *resisting urge for snarky comments* |
| 06:27.12 | lbt | this should be 1.2 compliance stage |
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| 06:51.48 | lbt_away | cheers ... l8r |
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| 06:59.03 | DawnFoster | night everyone - it's sleepy time here |
| 06:59.07 | Stskeeps | nite DawnFoster |
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| 08:06.07 | timeless_w7ip | anyone alive? |
| 08:06.11 | timeless_w7ip | is vaguely worried |
| 08:06.14 | kallam | yes |
| 08:06.33 | timeless_w7ip | do you have time to look at a bug or two and try to figure out what someone did to it? |
| 08:06.40 | timeless_w7ip | or rather, could you please? :) |
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| 08:07.11 | kallam | I think that they should report swi-prolog upstream also |
| 08:07.29 | kallam | I look they are not fixed latest version |
| 08:07.46 | timeless_w7ip | oh you're already aware of what i'm interested in |
| 08:07.52 | timeless_w7ip | yeah, my goal is to get them to do that |
| 08:08.04 | timeless_w7ip | but i have a suspicion that they don't quite understand that |
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| 08:09.47 | timeless_w7ip | dawnfoster / andre__: at some point i'd like to know why bug 14224 had CC Accessible changed to 0 |
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| 08:09.49 | MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14224 is not accessible |
| 08:09.54 | timeless_w7ip | true |
| 08:10.24 | timeless_w7ip | i'd cc someone to the bug, but it wouldn't let them see it :) |
| 08:10.46 | andre__ | timeless_w7ip, I'll check after breakfast |
| 08:10.47 | X-Fade | timeless_w7ip: Is it flagged as security? |
| 08:10.50 | timeless_w7ip | yes |
| 08:10.53 | andre__ | ah |
| 08:10.54 | andre__ | well |
| 08:10.59 | timeless_w7ip | you won't look? :) |
| 08:10.59 | X-Fade | timeless_w7ip: Well, that is why :) |
| 08:11.03 | timeless_w7ip | x-fade: no |
| 08:11.06 | timeless_w7ip | well, rather |
| 08:11.23 | timeless_w7ip | is there a policy that says "when a bug is defined as security, we don't want people on the cc list to see it" |
| 08:11.25 | timeless_w7ip | ? |
| 08:12.06 | timeless_w7ip | because bugzilla treats the act of restricting a bug to a group as distinct from the act of restricting a bug from its cc list |
| 08:12.18 | timeless_w7ip | i.e. you can have a security restricted bug where people on the cc list can see it |
| 08:12.35 | timeless_w7ip | or you can have a security restricted bug where just being on the cc list is insufficient to see it |
| 08:12.50 | timeless_w7ip | typically such a decision should be controlled by policy or need |
| 08:13.01 | timeless_w7ip | in my case, the bugs almost certainly don't have 'need', thus it's a question of policy |
| 08:13.16 | kallam | timeless_w7ip: |
| 08:13.18 | X-Fade | Maybe just wrong tick box :) |
| 08:15.11 | timeless_w7ip | x-fade: maybe.. |
| 08:15.19 | timeless_w7ip | anyway, my bugs are 99% about education |
| 08:15.30 | timeless_w7ip | the actual content behind them is incredibly boring :) |
| 08:15.47 | kallam | timeless_w7ip: http://www.swi-prolog.org/bugzilla/ is swi-prolog bugilla. Do you want report bugs there or should I do that? We should also check that there is not bug yeat. |
| 08:16.07 | timeless_w7ip | kallam: i'm asking someone else to do it, so if you're volunteering, please be my guest :) |
| 08:16.13 | timeless_w7ip | also, please add it to the table in the wiki |
| 08:16.26 | timeless_w7ip | http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/UpstreamBugTrackers |
| 08:17.02 | kallam | timeless_w7ip: ok I can do that |
| 08:17.09 | timeless_w7ip | thanks :) |
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| 08:32.09 | Venemo | timeless_w7ip, how is our favourite bug? |
| 08:32.48 | timeless_w7ip | venemo: is that the bug w/ the most ping pongs? |
| 08:33.01 | timeless_w7ip | is planning to be a ping pong ball in the not too distant future |
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| 08:33.48 | Venemo | timeless_w7ip, yepp. has anyone committed the fix? :P |
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| 08:37.56 | timeless_w7ip | dunno, i lost track of the various bug #s |
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| 08:38.16 | timeless_w7ip | right now i need to ensure that someone picks up my flight and hotel room |
| 08:38.25 | timeless_w7ip | and then i need to make sure i don't miss certain other events |
| 08:38.31 | timeless_w7ip | (like lunch) |
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| 08:40.02 | alterego | Heh |
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| 09:40.22 | arfoll | !SEENNICK textrat |
| 09:41.21 | X-Fade | ~seen texrat |
| 09:41.26 | infobot | texrat <47a4a9ca@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.164.169.202> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 17d 5h 5m 53s ago, saying: 'I plug in, leave it alone'. |
| 09:41.38 | arfoll | cheers, i figured someone would correct me ;-) |
| 09:41.51 | X-Fade | hehe |
| 09:42.12 | X-Fade | It's tex from Texas, I guess :) |
| 09:42.59 | arfoll | not exactly flattering, rat from texas? |
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| 09:45.09 | Myrtti | "no" |
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| 11:05.39 | stefw | is there a meego sdk for ubuntu 11.04 anywhere? |
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| 11:06.02 | thebootroo | hello |
| 11:06.24 | thebootroo | i'm trying to use Xephyr to test a custom UX for Linux/MeeGo |
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| 11:07.21 | thebootroo | but i have a question : how can i skin the xephyr window ? (having a png around the frame instead of the classic title bar and borders. cause i saw that in some emulatosr (like qemu) and i would like doing the same in xephyr... |
| 11:07.25 | thebootroo | thanks in advance |
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| 11:50.41 | timeless_w7ip | thebootroo: xephyr is just an application, window decorations should really be done by your window manager |
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| 12:05.52 | thebootroo | i've done a small app in qt that handles the skin and reparent xephyr in it using the build in -parent argument |
| 12:05.57 | thebootroo | it works very wekk |
| 12:06.02 | thebootroo | *well |
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| 12:37.00 | arfoll | my issue looks alot like http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.meego.devel/9474 |
| 12:37.05 | arfoll | my date is correct however |
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| 15:32.42 | momesana | Using the MeeGo SDK, can I compile apps for the tablet version? |
| 15:33.09 | momesana | Does it include the necessary toolchain for crosscompiling? |
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| 15:35.47 | gabrbedd | momesana: If you follow the MeeGo compliance guidelines... using the MeeGo API... then your binary will work on any MeeGo. |
| 15:36.13 | gabrbedd | momesana: (However it still has to be compiled for the target arch... x86, arm, etc) |
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| 15:36.45 | gabrbedd | momesana: You only need to worry about Tablet if you want some kind of tight integration into the Tablet's UX. |
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| 15:38.07 | momesana | hm |
| 15:38.15 | momesana | well, define tight integration |
| 15:38.21 | momesana | I want to replace the xterm with a custom qt based terminal |
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| 15:39.17 | gabrbedd | momesana: Just use the MeeGo API and it'll work everywhere. |
| 15:39.41 | momesana | ok, I guess the MeeGo API is more or less the Qt API |
| 15:39.43 | momesana | right? |
| 15:40.25 | gabrbedd | momesana: "Tight Integration" == "Utilizing features only found in the Tablet UX" E.g. they have "Panels" and if you wanted to supply your own custom Panel that, say, tracks stock quotes... then you'd want tight integration. |
| 15:40.30 | gabrbedd | Yes, it is. |
| 15:40.52 | momesana | gabrbedd: is UX based on Qt as well? Or did you guys choose something like clutter? |
| 15:43.15 | momesana | ok, seems like its based on Qt :-) |
| 15:46.26 | gabrbedd | momesana: I'm not one of "those guys" -- but it's based on QtQuick |
| 15:47.34 | momesana | nice |
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| 15:49.32 | momesana | I am using gentoo and the sdk isn't supported on it per se. Can someone point me to where the sources to the sdk are hosted? |
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| 18:03.41 | gabrbedd | coughs |
| 18:04.18 | jedix | steps back |
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| 18:06.25 | CosmoHill | oooo |
| 18:06.30 | CosmoHill | I seem to have finished two assignments |
| 18:06.33 | CosmoHill | and it's not even night time yet |
| 18:08.31 | auke | awesome! time to fix a meego bug! |
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| 18:13.14 | auke | so.... who got their talks accepted? :) |
| 18:13.37 | Stskeeps | <- |
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| 18:13.44 | auke | <- |
| 18:13.54 | auke | cheers |
| 18:14.21 | TSCHAKeee | awesome, wish i could come, alas.. I've been on a plane so many times in the last 3 months, I've drained my bank account. :P |
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| 18:15.19 | gabrbedd | <- |
| 18:17.00 | gabrbedd | At least... I think mine did. It's listed in the "Accepted" section... :-) |
| 18:17.20 | Stskeeps | usually a good sign |
| 18:17.46 | auke | there were like 72 accepted sessions |
| 18:17.52 | auke | that's a ton |
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| 18:20.00 | maligor | TSCHAKeee, doesn't usually being often on the plain cause a expansion of the bank account? :P |
| 18:20.05 | maligor | err.. plane |
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| 18:20.22 | maligor | since it'd typically mean business |
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| 18:21.27 | TSCHAKeee | maligor: i am a contractor. my travel expenses come out of my OWN pocket. |
| 18:22.30 | CosmoHill | prints his final source code |
| 18:22.48 | gabrbedd | Stskeeps: well, it could be a bug. :-p |
| 18:23.04 | CosmoHill | cheers too cos he's finished 2 of his 3 assignments |
| 18:23.24 | gabrbedd | \o/ |
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| 18:23.30 | CosmoHill | last time I had like 8 hours sleep...over 2 days |
| 18:24.53 | maligor | CosmoHill, and it still compiles? |
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| 18:25.37 | CosmoHill | it compiles as well as any paper based program |
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| 18:26.09 | CosmoHill | ooo, I can do something I haven't done in ages |
| 18:26.24 | maligor | sounds like a wonderfully pointless assignment |
| 18:26.30 | CosmoHill | opens up BBC iPlayer |
| 18:26.51 | CosmoHill | maligor: the assingment was to implement as many image processing functions as we can and present them in a nice GUI |
| 18:27.27 | CosmoHill | so far the GUI is 10 pages and still printing |
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| 18:28.35 | maligor | I hope you wrote it in x86 realmode 320x240 |
| 18:29.43 | CosmoHill | the 3 biggest issues I have with this module are: 1. none of our year have ever used matlab before, 2. the lecturer is based in the other campus so apart from lessons we only have email and 3, lots of maths / theory about image proicessing instead of programming |
| 18:30.01 | alterego | You print source code? |
| 18:30.12 | alterego | What do they do with OCR? :D |
| 18:30.30 | CosmoHill | we give them a CD too |
| 18:30.39 | CosmoHill | one lecturer has a built in compiler :o |
| 18:32.06 | CosmoHill | my GUI is 712 lines, all it does is run other functions and displays the output to the screen |
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| 18:33.59 | CosmoHill | brb, going to kill my router |
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| 19:08.01 | compengi | does current developer version of meego run smoothly on n900 or it lags abit? |
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| 20:28.02 | luist | gabrbedd: ya i found it... it wants to remove yast2 to install python-zypper |
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| 23:44.08 | araujo | mm... |
| 23:44.14 | araujo | are the meego mailing lists down or what? |
| 23:44.16 | araujo | :P |