| 00:00.15 | kshots | Is there a keystroke I can utilize that can open a terminal _within_ X? |
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| 00:05.05 | jonnor | kshots: if you're on netbook, alt+f2 type "terminal" press return |
| 00:07.12 | kshots | jonnor: This is meego ivi |
| 00:07.26 | kshots | jonnor: alt+f2 simply brings up the 2nd desktop under matchbox |
| 00:09.45 | jonnor | then I do not know. Setting the DISPLAY envvar and running applications generally work though |
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| 00:35.15 | kshots | ok... I hooked a USB mouse up and ran xterm straight from matchbox... that worked |
| 00:35.42 | kshots | Running xinput_calibrator from within xterm? "Unable to connect to X server" |
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| 02:11.44 | lcuk | question - is there such a thing as a cbd for laptop size devices? |
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| 06:08.08 | woodyjlw | is meego just the newest version of maemo? |
| 06:08.59 | Stskeeps | no, meego(.com) is a continuation of moblin but rearchitectured and with more maemo pieces |
| 06:09.53 | TSCHAKeee | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_krXOrg578 <-- LinuxMCE Orbiter on MeeGo, now running our Photo Screen Saver |
| 06:11.50 | Stskeeps | TSCHAKeee: is there any url for linuxmce architecture? |
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| 06:14.54 | TSCHAKeee | Stskeeps: yes, this is what we have: http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Developers_Guide |
| 06:15.46 | Stskeeps | ok, so centralized? |
| 06:16.11 | TSCHAKeee | yes |
| 06:25.41 | Stskeeps | where are you guys hiding your joggler kernels and .ks'es, btw? |
| 06:27.07 | TSCHAKeee | the kernel? it's vgrade's kernel-adaptation-joggler, in his OBS repo |
| 06:27.25 | Stskeeps | k |
| 06:27.50 | TSCHAKeee | the linuxmce stuff is all in my tschak909 project on OBS |
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| 06:29.04 | TSCHAKeee | Stskeeps: the KS? http://svn.linuxmce.org/svn/branches/LinuxMCE-0810/src/MeeGo/ ;) |
| 06:31.02 | Stskeeps | k |
| 06:31.19 | Stskeeps | i'm collecting options what to do today while my wife is away on a course so |
| 06:32.37 | pupnik | what looks interesting? |
| 06:39.51 | TSCHAKeee | the LinuxMCE stuff requires an existing LinuxMCE installation |
| 06:40.09 | TSCHAKeee | as it is intended to bootstrap orbiters, and eventually media endpoint devices |
| 06:40.30 | TSCHAKeee | and after that, do cores and hybrids of these devices |
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| 06:47.46 | Stskeeps | it's a penguinbait |
| 06:48.12 | penguinbait | it does exits |
| 06:48.21 | penguinbait | it does exist |
| 06:48.32 | Stskeeps | doing exits too would be fun :P |
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| 07:42.41 | Stskeeps | good morning thiago_home :) |
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| 07:57.36 | thiago_home | Stskeeps: good morning |
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| 10:06.58 | jonnor | kshots: sounds like xinput_calibrator has an issue then |
| 10:07.10 | jonnor | kshots: it might rely on a specific X extension |
| 10:07.49 | jonnor | hmm, maybe it needs XInput and not XInput2 |
| 10:12.30 | smoku | who could I bug about http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/tools/repos/opensuse/ ? 11.4 is missing :) |
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| 10:18.07 | jonnor | smoku: who? You file a bug in the bugtracker. |
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| 10:18.35 | jonnor | (after checking that one does not exist) |
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| 10:26.20 | smoku | jonnor, there already is bug 14383 which I want to bug about ;P |
| 10:26.23 | _MeeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14383 nor, Undecided, ---, anas.nashif, NEW, SDK & Tools for openSUSE 11.4 |
| 10:27.14 | jonnor | smoku: five hours has gone since it was reported. |
| 10:27.47 | jonnor | oh, sorry, PST |
| 10:28.52 | jonnor | Add yourself to CC, bug on the bug in a week if nothing happens. |
| 10:29.01 | jonnor | Have some patience :) |
| 10:30.34 | smoku | I quess I can live a week without upgrade :> |
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| 10:31.49 | jonnor | You can most likely use the repositories for an older version on 11.4 |
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| 12:06.38 | smoku | is there a way to use .spec bundled in the source on OBS? |
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| 13:03.40 | Jaffa | Af'noon, all. |
| 13:03.44 | Stskeeps | afternon |
| 13:03.49 | Jaffa | wazd_: pong |
| 13:03.49 | berndhs | morning |
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| 13:39.33 | Miesco | What happends now that nokia left the project? |
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| 13:40.29 | Stskeeps | they haven't left the project |
| 13:40.45 | Miesco | oh okay cool! |
| 13:40.49 | Miesco | I thought they did |
| 13:41.02 | Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DeveloperEdition#Organization makes that fairly clear |
| 13:42.16 | wazd_ | Stskeeps: o/ |
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| 13:42.36 | Miesco | Is meego open source? |
| 13:42.39 | wazd_ | Jaffa: http://s39.radikal.ru/i083/1103/cf/eb969ae58164.png |
| 13:43.31 | thiago_home | Miesco: yes |
| 13:43.44 | thiago_home | Stskeeps: 16 submissions so far... |
| 13:44.00 | Stskeeps | thiago_home: yeah, worrying |
| 13:44.07 | thiago_home | Stskeeps: I'll submit one more |
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| 13:47.42 | wazd_ | Stskeeps: btw, how can I register for the SF Conference as a speaker? :) It asks for some kind of password, but not mine eventually |
| 13:48.04 | Stskeeps | wazd_: register as attendee and i think it upgrades you or something.. |
| 13:48.21 | thiago_home | wazd_: the important thing is to submit your talk now |
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| 13:50.30 | wazd_ | thiago_home: yeah, already figured out a topic to discuss :) |
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| 13:50.46 | thiago_home | good |
| 13:50.50 | thiago_home | now we need more topics |
| 13:50.54 | thiago_home | I'm trying to convince all my colleagues |
| 13:51.07 | wazd_ | thiago_home: though tickets for me are crazy expensive so I highly doubt that I'm gonna make it :) |
| 13:51.28 | thiago_home | wazd_: I think you can say somewhere in the form that you need financial support |
| 13:51.32 | lbt | notes the dietary restriction of "non-diary" and picks it since he's allergic to calendars.... |
| 13:52.33 | lbt | thiago_home: FYI I'm working on mine .... vendor automation tools and the vendor ecosystem |
| 13:53.04 | Miesco | Lets see, looking for a good OS for netbooks... " Windows®. Life without WallsTM."... Well there woudldn't be windows without walls so... |
| 13:54.22 | Bostik | unless you're in a Dali universe |
| 13:54.42 | thiago_home | that might be fun |
| 13:55.06 | thiago_home | likes Miró though |
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| 14:44.53 | valianholt | Hello :] is there any map/gps solution for MeeGo yt? |
| 14:44.56 | valianholt | yet * |
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| 14:46.01 | Stskeeps | javispedro: so you managed to get it submitted? |
| 14:46.15 | javispedro | yep |
| 14:46.37 | javispedro | :) |
| 14:46.41 | Stskeeps | good |
| 14:47.46 | wazd_ | Stskeeps: what do you tthink bout CSSU icon btw? :) |
| 14:48.01 | Stskeeps | wazd_: looks cool, not really involved with cssu so i didnt think it my place to comment ;) |
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| 14:50.00 | valianholt | http://vimeo.com/19564426 enjoy |
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| 15:20.42 | lbt | does mic2 still need an ssse3 CPU to make a meego image? |
| 15:21.56 | Stskeeps | arm? |
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| 15:25.39 | lbt | no - for the joggler |
| 15:25.54 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 15:25.58 | Stskeeps | give it a shot? .. |
| 15:26.03 | lbt | last time I tried it was ssse3 only .... |
| 15:26.05 | lbt | yep I am |
| 15:26.11 | Stskeeps | then maybe it still is |
| 15:26.12 | lbt | just making an opensuse VM |
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| 15:26.34 | lcukn900 | hey, does anyone know the command line to prevent computer from going to standby when i close the lid? |
| 15:26.54 | lbt | lcukn900: which OS ? |
| 15:27.07 | lcukn900 | meego netbook |
| 15:27.10 | lbt | it's an ACPI event handler |
| 15:27.46 | sjokkis | are there any people from TI in this channel? |
| 15:27.50 | lcukn900 | i am sitting in cafe and have to keep the lid open atm to charge n900 |
| 15:28.15 | lbt | lcukn900: OK - not off top of my head ... sry |
| 15:28.41 | lcukn900 | ta anyway |
| 15:29.02 | lcukn900 | !!! slate mode with lock screen |
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| 15:29.09 | lbt | grep -ri acpi /etc/ |
| 15:29.44 | lcukn900 | slate mode worked actually lol |
| 15:30.05 | lbt | :) |
| 15:30.32 | lcukn900 | hey daivd, at this telecomms thing they have all sorts of stuff |
| 15:30.58 | lbt | lcukn900: telcos do ... |
| 15:31.09 | lcukn900 | a display with busby on and too questions |
| 15:31.20 | lcukn900 | communication is worse today because... |
| 15:31.35 | lcukn900 | and they gave postits and pencils to answer |
| 15:31.36 | lbt | a BUSBY! |
| 15:31.56 | lcukn900 | lol |
| 15:32.20 | lcukn900 | the answers ring certain bells |
| 15:32.21 | lbt | btw..... they're looking for "body language" |
| 15:32.39 | lbt | they don't get 'lol' ;) |
| 15:33.05 | lcukn900 | of course ! |
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| 15:33.38 | lcukn900 | was good playing lemmings on an amiga, saved 95pc on first go |
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| 15:37.44 | lcukn900 | goes and looks round the rest of the stuff, bbl |
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| 15:42.06 | sjokkis | lbt: isn't there usually a guy from texas instruments who frequents here? do you remember who? |
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| 15:43.15 | lbt | sjokkis: mmm |
| 15:43.42 | Stskeeps | sjokkis: there's a few |
| 15:44.51 | sjokkis | i think the guy i talked to earlier was from india, or at least had a name that sounded like it |
| 15:45.19 | lbt | can't recall - or find notes |
| 15:45.43 | sjokkis | Stskeeps: any idea who that might have been? |
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| 15:46.16 | GAN900 | jkridner is on Freenode, although not here. |
| 15:46.50 | sjokkis | no, it was this channel |
| 15:47.02 | ali1234 | sjokkis: sounds like nishanthmenon |
| 15:47.13 | sjokkis | might have been! |
| 15:47.25 | sjokkis | i'll keep it in mind and ask him next time he's around. thanks |
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| 15:53.02 | dm8tbr | yes nishanth is doing OMAP4 and also some meego things in that context |
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| 16:01.45 | leinir | There we go... Session about Gluon submitted :) Hopefully we'll make the cut this time 'round! :) http://sf2011.meego.com/program/sessions/gaming-freedom-makers-and-players |
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| 16:05.46 | thiago_home | thanks leinir |
| 16:06.58 | leinir | Hey, you're welcome! :) |
| 16:07.06 | leinir | Just hope it's interesting enough to get past the selection this time - the lightning talk in Dublin was really nice, but it'd be nifty to get a proper session this time :) |
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| 16:23.36 | GAN900 | I can't imaginem the sessions being easier to get for unaffiliated types this time around. |
| 16:23.44 | GAN900 | Given the industry and press focus. |
| 16:24.06 | thiago_home | right |
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| 17:17.16 | lbt | 28/781 |
| 17:19.46 | Stskeeps | 28? |
| 17:20.11 | lbt | linux firmware... |
| 17:20.34 | lbt | now : Installing: tar ##################### [198/781] |
| 17:20.38 | lbt | :) |
| 17:21.17 | Stskeeps | ah |
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| 19:40.22 | npm | thiago_home Stskeeps -- re session presentations, would it be of interest fot me to present info/demo/tutorial on "MeeGolem hack" ( https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14129 ) and all the goodies you can easily install with it? |
| 19:40.25 | _MeeeGoBot_ | Bug 14129 maj, Low, ---, yan.yin, NEW, DumbUser says "MeeGo is broken I can't watch my videos, hear my music, or receive podcasts and there |
| 19:40.48 | npm | adding http://openshot.org/ to the list of apps |
| 19:41.08 | npm | or about "this" close to success |
| 19:44.07 | npm | I could also call the session how to translate this dependency list into meegoeeze: build-essential python-dev libgtk2.0-dev swig autoconf libtool automake libbz2-dev yasm checkinstall python-pygoocanvas libsdl1.2-dev libdv4-dev libxml2-dev sox libsox-dev libvorbis-dev libtheora-dev libsamplerate0-dev kino dvgrab jack jack-rack libjack-dev ladspa-sdk libquicktime1 libquicktime-dev libfaac" |
| 19:44.17 | Jaffa | npm: More of a lightning talk or demo slot? |
| 19:44.48 | npm | well there's plenty to talk about, and probably more to discuss |
| 19:47.19 | npm | i figure i could turn my yet-unpublished responses to this thread ( http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-March/003675.html ) into the talk |
| 19:47.24 | Jaffa | :) |
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| 19:49.51 | Stskeeps | npm: submit if you would like to present, we'll evaluate topics and see what makes sense |
| 19:50.50 | npm | well there's no point in submitting if it's not an appropriate topic, and it competes with AppUp :-) |
| 19:51.14 | npm | thus potentially politically incorrect :-) |
| 19:51.33 | lbt | npm: isn't meegolem a non-compliant adaptation of meego ? |
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| 19:51.45 | lbt | which is a perfectly valid use of meego |
| 19:51.48 | Stskeeps | npm: check cfp for what makes sense. meego isn't about certain companies and their products only |
| 19:51.59 | npm | no, it's a hack i run on my netbook to prevent me from deinstalling meego and running fedora |
| 19:52.15 | npm | it might also prevent others from doing the same |
| 19:53.32 | npm | c.f. "Linux Outlaws" MeeGo netbook competition with entry form password "NokiaFail" and the statement "at least give it a shot before deinstalling" and letter-feedback "so and so tried meego and agreed... the s10-3t is now running linux mint" |
| 19:54.18 | Stskeeps | npm: we'd rather have too many presentations to select from than too few :) |
| 19:54.33 | npm | just like "Fedora compliance" results in systems that are unusable without RPMFusion |
| 19:58.21 | npm | ( http://linuxoutlaws.com/podcast/194 @~88':00" ... http://linuxoutlaws.com/podcast/193 http://linuxoutlaws.com/podcast/192 ) |
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| 20:11.25 | npm | decideds to be explicit about noncompliance and explain that most people running a popular distro like fedora do this http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora-f14.html and stop being fedora compliant. Others run ubuntu's codec manager or install Linux Mint to achieve same effect... |
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| 20:14.40 | dm8tbr | npm: compliance is a weapon to wield for $bigcorp against $othercorp for $competitive_advantage |
| 20:15.26 | poutsi | and to negate pursuit of comptetitive advantage |
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| 20:18.09 | dm8tbr | people don't like it when I put it that way, but IMHO effectively compliance and 5616 subverted _all_ serious community effort or at least set it back by serious ammounts of time while the reference implementation prospered |
| 20:19.20 | dm8tbr | there's an 'ARM' missing in there |
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| 20:22.22 | gabrbedd | That's BS. Compliance is a weapon to allow the hapless user to install App A on System B and it "just works" as long as both are "MeeGo". |
| 20:22.53 | gabrbedd | If that's not enforced, then when App A doesn't install on System B, user says, "MeeGo sux... I'm going back to windows." |
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| 20:31.26 | dm8tbr | gabrbedd: that was the _intent_ but the actual usage is what I described. go, prove, me, wrong. you won't manage to. |
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| 20:38.30 | lbt | Stskeeps: so.... image made on my AMD phenom (in an openSuse 11.2 kvm VM) |
| 20:38.32 | dm8tbr | Else I wouldn't be hosting several adaptations |
| 20:38.54 | lbt | dm8tbr: so where are we on that hosting issue |
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| 20:39.23 | lbt | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/1664431 is that error at the end a problem? IOError: [Errno 9] Bad file descriptor |
| 20:39.37 | dm8tbr | lbt: things are serving fine, under the fabulous name of 'mg'. |
| 20:39.47 | lbt | vgrade: ping .... |
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| 20:40.02 | dm8tbr | I wonder what the status on meego-rnd is |
| 20:40.11 | lbt | dm8tbr: meego-rnd ? |
| 20:40.24 | lcuk | gabrbedd, your "app B on system B" will not directly run anyway? |
| 20:40.35 | lcuk | especially if we are talking meego handset |
| 20:40.40 | dm8tbr | bug 13516 |
| 20:40.43 | _MeeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13516 nor, Undecided, ---, brian.warner, ASSI, Proposal: Allow MeeGo trademark usage in form of "<X>, a MeeGo R&D project" |
| 20:40.48 | lcuk | or did we sort out single unified binaries? |
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| 20:42.16 | lcuk | gabrbedd, however, being able to obtain the same app from repository and install/use on various machines seems practical :) |
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| 20:42.58 | gabrbedd | lcuk: Yes... arch differences break things up. :-9 |
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| 20:43.54 | lcuk | gabrbedd, is it feasible to have universal binaries? |
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| 20:44.04 | TSCHAKeee | NeXT just bundled stuff together into an .app bundle |
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| 20:44.05 | lcuk | or self compiled stuff |
| 20:44.08 | timeless_w7ip | :( |
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| 20:44.12 | timeless_w7ip | touch screens are dangerous |
| 20:44.12 | TSCHAKeee | this included binaries for the different arches |
| 20:44.20 | lcuk | I believe .net recompiles after downloading new packages |
| 20:44.21 | TSCHAKeee | and made changes to the loader to deal with it |
| 20:44.28 | timeless_w7ip | tried to touch the [start] button but it ran away and so i hit an [x] instead |
| 20:44.29 | lcuk | timeless_w7ip, sharp edges? |
| 20:44.30 | dm8tbr | hint: binary compatibility applies between n900, beagleboard and a5it as the SoC's are either identical or near identical |
| 20:44.35 | TSCHAKeee | this carried over into OS X |
| 20:44.47 | dm8tbr | just that one of them is officially endorsed, none of them are compliant |
| 20:45.08 | lcuk | dm8tbr, that sounds more confusing |
| 20:45.33 | gabrbedd | lcuk: I don't know. Whether the binaries are universal or not... seems like universal /packages/ might be feasible. |
| 20:45.53 | lcuk | gabrbedd, only until the next cpu arch comes along |
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| 20:46.19 | gabrbedd | lcuk: Ha! Yeah. :-) |
| 20:46.38 | lcuk | thinks data compatability would be simpler to describe than binary application compatability |
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| 20:46.44 | dm8tbr | lcuk: well, or until meego switches to HFP |
| 20:46.50 | timeless_w7ip | gabrbedd: universal packages only make people happy if there are only 2 formats |
| 20:47.04 | timeless_w7ip | otherwise the bandwidth costs are prohibitive |
| 20:47.23 | lcuk | holds hand up |
| 20:47.40 | dm8tbr | lcuk: TI SGX is not available as HFP, so even if bug 5616 gets fixed once again only one of the three aforementioned will have working meego |
| 20:47.42 | _MeeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5616 nor, Undecided, ---, viroteck, ASSI, Certain fonts are garbled |
| 20:47.49 | lcuk | is QML capable of working on different archs? |
| 20:48.22 | gabrbedd | lcuk: QML is arch independent... but... |
| 20:48.27 | niala1 | why not? |
| 20:48.30 | gabrbedd | lcuk: It has to be loaded from a binary program. |
| 20:48.32 | lcuk | or is that more "as long as the app is pure qml and does not use any binary components" |
| 20:49.02 | lcuk | if the build time of apps was not so prohibative |
| 20:49.11 | lcuk | having a source code only repository would be awesome |
| 20:49.19 | berndhs | QML is arch independent, but apparently not platform/vertical independent |
| 20:49.34 | berndhs | at least not reall soon |
| 20:49.40 | gabrbedd | lcuk: Using qmlviewer is officially NOT recommended for deploying apps. |
| 20:49.40 | timeless_w7ip | there's no such thing as a pure qml app afaik |
| 20:50.06 | gabrbedd | lcuk: They're supposed to be loaded from a binary via QDeclarativeSomethingOrOther |
| 20:50.06 | berndhs | timeless_w7ip: right thats the problem |
| 20:50.07 | lcuk | gabrbedd, the qmlviewer is just a launcher, you are right, it should not be required |
| 20:50.30 | lcuk | if we have window manager thingies that are QML though, won't they have dynamic sub process launch stuff built in? |
| 20:50.39 | gabrbedd | However, I imagine it won't be long before qmlviewer is used to deploy QML-only apps. |
| 20:51.10 | lcuk | oooh found my n810 barrel charger |
| 20:51.16 | lcuk | pleased moved stuff around today |
| 20:53.26 | timeless_w7ip | barrel? |
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| 20:53.39 | timeless_w7ip | i.e. mini round instead of thick or usb? |
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| 20:54.32 | lcuk | timeless_w7ip, yeah, n810 had old thin round charger |
| 20:59.56 | lcuk | daily-testing question: The new image for daily testing which is 0311 |
| 20:59.58 | lcuk | http://download.meego.com/testing-daily/builds/trunk/1.1.90.7.20110311.84/ |
| 21:00.03 | timeless_w7ip | sorry i just don't recognize 'barrel' as the descriptive for it |
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| 21:00.09 | lcuk | has anyone put it on and tried installing stuff with it? |
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| 21:00.38 | lcuk | timeless_w7ip, search web for "nokia barrel" brings up many power related results |
| 21:00.46 | shadeslayer | hey lcuk :D |
| 21:01.05 | lcuk | timeless_w7ip, it is just the English description for it I suppose. |
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| 21:01.47 | lcuk | never heard it described as anything else |
| 21:04.30 | timeless_w7ip | i think nokia probably calls them "high efficiency" chargers :) |
| 21:04.55 | timeless_w7ip | but i think i've mostly heard it called "mini" |
| 21:05.02 | timeless_w7ip | as opposed ot the bigger "classic" charger |
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| 21:06.33 | timeless_w7ip | the problem w/ "barrel" is that nokia has made 2 round chargers |
| 21:08.15 | shadeslayer | has anyone tried to build Meego for a HTC Desire here? |
| 21:09.30 | lcuk | timeless_w7ip, yes often described as little barrel and big barrel, don't ask me why - you are the language expert! |
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| 21:14.26 | gabrbedd | shadeslayer: First google hit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtnfHNjcdzg |
| 21:15.05 | shadeslayer | gabrbedd: can you come in #meego-arm? |
| 21:15.15 | gabrbedd | maybe try to track that guy down. :-) |
| 21:15.37 | shadeslayer | gabrbedd: i've actually advanced to a new stage |
| 21:15.46 | shadeslayer | where i get 404 errors on URL;s |
| 21:15.59 | shadeslayer | repo url's i mean |
| 21:16.05 | gabrbedd | I would come... but I don't do arm... sorry. |
| 21:16.18 | shadeslayer | gabrbedd: http://paste.kde.org/7193 |
| 21:16.19 | gabrbedd | As for 404 repo errors... lcuk filed a bug on those... |
| 21:16.24 | shadeslayer | and http://blog.mitsutaka.org/2010/11/meego-11-for-nexusone-status-and-how-to.html |
| 21:16.29 | gabrbedd | But I think he got it worked out somehow. |
| 21:17.06 | shadeslayer | well i'm using the nexus one config file since the hardware is pretty much the same |
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| 21:17.28 | shadeslayer | oh and is it possible to get Meego 1.2 instead of 1.1? |
| 21:17.44 | gabrbedd | shadeslayer: oh... those 404 errors with mic. |
| 21:17.48 | shadeslayer | yes |
| 21:17.49 | gabrbedd | That's different. |
| 21:18.07 | gabrbedd | Maybe try cleaning out your package cache. |
| 21:18.15 | gabrbedd | That's helped me fix that in the past. |
| 21:18.23 | lcuk | shadeslayer, the USB networking was using 127.0.0.1 to do DNS lookup within zypper (or something) |
| 21:18.28 | shadeslayer | gabrbedd: can i get meego 1.2 by changing the urls etc? |
| 21:18.37 | gabrbedd | would like to get to the bottom of the repository cache poisoning... |
| 21:18.50 | shadeslayer | lcuk: er .. i didn't get a single word |
| 21:19.02 | gabrbedd | shadeslayer: No... meego 1.2 isn't released yet. |
| 21:19.20 | gabrbedd | shadeslayer: But the current dev. snapshot can be got by changing urls etc. |
| 21:19.48 | shadeslayer | gabrbedd: what's the current snapshot version? 1.1.90? |
| 21:20.19 | gabrbedd | look in http://repos.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/ |
| 21:20.31 | gabrbedd | I don't know the current snapshot version. |
| 21:22.05 | timeless_w7ip | lcuk: how often is the repo-latest updated? is it daily? weekly? |
| 21:22.35 | lcuk | timeless_w7ip, not sure, I have been on bleeding edge daily-testing for a while |
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| 21:24.34 | wazd_ | just in case, is there any way to skin netbook-meego's window? :) |
| 21:25.25 | lcuk | wazd_, there should be, it is part of the theme data isn't it? |
| 21:25.41 | lcuk | there are some folks who are playing with moblin stuff |
| 21:25.53 | lcuk | and afaik that has changed theme etc |
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| 21:27.22 | wazd_ | lcuk: no, I mean just one window, not the whole system :) |
| 21:29.12 | gabrbedd | wazd_: Don't know about "re-theming" a single window... however, you can set the frameless window flag... and draw your own. |
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| 21:30.45 | gabrbedd | e.g. in Qt your top-level widget will call something like QWidget::setWindowFlags( Qt::Window | Qt::FramelessWindowHint ) |
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| 21:33.54 | lbt | reboot ... bbiab |
| 21:36.18 | shadeslayer | any ideas what "MeeGo Handset Applications Branding" was changed too? |
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| 21:38.56 | wazd_ | to make things clear, any chance to do this? http://s61.radikal.ru/i173/1103/ea/1c08c252d0bd.png |
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| 21:43.26 | gabrbedd | wazd_: You have to write a panel plugin for mutter-meego. AFAIK, it has to be written in GTK+. |
| 21:43.37 | kpoman | hi to all ! can someone point me please to somewhere telling how to install meego on n900 while keeping maemo ? |
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| 21:45.13 | lcuk | kpoman, MeeGo on N900 is geared towards installing on the external MMC :) ie does not intefere with normal Maemo running |
| 21:45.46 | kpoman | lcuk: yep but apparently the multiboot thing breaks maemo if you uninstall the extra os ? |
| 21:47.16 | lcuk | kpoman, not looked |
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| 21:50.06 | wazd_ | oh crap didn't know that videos from Dublin are published :D |
| 21:50.19 | wazd_ | I'm sooo embarassed :) |
| 21:50.45 | lcuk | links! |
| 21:50.56 | lcuk | you were bouncing more than others |
| 21:51.04 | lcuk | noted you were reaching the ceiling! |
| 21:51.30 | wazd_ | lcuk: I don't wanna to even watch it :D |
| 21:52.03 | wazd_ | wanna* |
| 21:52.14 | wazd_ | daaaamn :) |
| 21:52.25 | wazd_ | That's not me, that's some other guy :) |
| 21:53.23 | npm | gabrbedd: re "would like to get to the bottom of the repository cache poisoning" -- what is the issue? |
| 21:55.27 | gabrbedd | npm: Typical pattern: zypper is broken (says it can't find some file called aasd987as98as987d987as9d87a8s7d9a87sdasd-filenames.xml.gz), user fixes problem by issuing `zypper clean --all` or `sudo rm -rf /var/cache/zypp` |
| 21:55.31 | gabrbedd | Happens too often. |
| 21:55.38 | gabrbedd | Zypper should be "self-healing" |
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| 21:57.38 | npm | make sure your networking didn't bork while it was doing that |
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| 21:58.07 | gabrbedd | npm: zypper needs to know how to recover from a failed transaction. |
| 21:58.11 | lcuk | wazd_, ? |
| 21:58.12 | lcuk | lol |
| 21:58.19 | lcuk | it was you! |
| 21:58.31 | lcuk | I might even also have captured a photo of you too because I giggled when I saw you |
| 22:01.13 | npm | i regularly see "curl error for ..." reading metadata |
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| 22:03.05 | npm | plus stuff about unexpected return codes (430?) |
| 22:03.29 | wazd_ | lcuk: no, this guy has long hair, I don't :P |
| 22:03.47 | lcuk | wazd_, where is the video? |
| 22:03.51 | lcuk | of not you |
| 22:04.07 | wazd_ | lcuk: http://conference2010.meego.com/session/designing-apps-mobile-devices |
| 22:04.14 | wazd_ | oh no |
| 22:04.18 | wazd_ | not mine :) |
| 22:04.41 | wazd_ | http://conference2010.meego.com/session/application-design-survival-guide-programmers |
| 22:04.45 | wazd_ | there it is |
| 22:05.12 | lcuk | cool |
| 22:05.53 | lcuk | wazd_, yeah, that guy (who is not you :P) was the one who was using the trampoline in the brewery |
| 22:06.12 | wazd_ | lcuk: aaah, yeah |
| 22:06.16 | wazd_ | lcuk: that was me :) |
| 22:06.33 | lcuk | that was one hell of an awesome night! |
| 22:06.38 | wazd_ | yeeeah |
| 22:06.42 | npm | gabrbedd: does the zypper issue have to do with "zypper wp" being broken as well |
| 22:06.52 | wazd_ | still has video from it btw :D |
| 22:07.00 | gabrbedd | npm: how is `wp` broken? |
| 22:07.49 | npm | checking again... seems to miss stuff although now that i just tested ... it found it ok. |
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| 22:08.36 | npm | esp if you install from an external repo |
| 22:09.14 | lcuk | wazd_, I am watching the video |
| 22:09.38 | lcuk | but you are refering to your presentation often, I think other shave uploaded their slides and linked them on the conf site - do you have yours uploaded? |
| 22:10.06 | lcuk | s/shave/s have/ |
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| 22:11.19 | npm | for example if you install google chrome via http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-February/003570.html ... then do 'zypper wp /usr/bin/google-chrome' and 'zypper wp /opt/google/chrome/google-chrome' -- neither work |
| 22:11.42 | npm | even though chrome does |
| 22:12.30 | npm | but underlying, "rpm -qf /usr/bin/google-chrome" works |
| 22:12.30 | wazd_ | lcuk: I guess no :( |
| 22:12.43 | wazd_ | lcuk: forgot bout it totally :( |
| 22:12.52 | lcuk | wazd_, do you still have the ppt for them? |
| 22:13.21 | npm | thus zypper seems unable to access RPM info |
| 22:13.34 | wazd_ | lcuk: yep, somewhere |
| 22:13.47 | gabrbedd | npm: `zypper wp google-chrome` is a known limitation of zypper. |
| 22:14.09 | npm | it is? is there a bug or specific thing that causes it? |
| 22:14.11 | gabrbedd | OTOH, yum supports this. |
| 22:14.18 | npm | yes, yum works fine |
| 22:14.29 | npm | except it doesn't give me repo priorities like zypper |
| 22:14.56 | gabrbedd | I found a bug report or ML post in upstream zypper where it was classified as WONTFIX |
| 22:15.00 | npm | which is how i make the "meegolem hack" safe (unless you allow zypper to start deinstalling meego :-)) |
| 22:15.04 | gabrbedd | it works stable with .so files, though. |
| 22:15.16 | gabrbedd | FWIW, the information is in the cache... zypper just doesn't use it. |
| 22:15.18 | npm | sort of |
| 22:15.22 | npm | on the .so files |
| 22:16.23 | npm | i wonder if there's some customization to make it use the cache info |
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| 22:23.25 | gabrbedd | npm: I'd say that 80% of the time `zypper search` does what you need. |
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| 23:30.44 | shadeslayer | hi, mic-image-writer has been stuck for the last 5 minutes at 100 % |
| 23:30.47 | shadeslayer | any ideas? |
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| 23:33.04 | vgrade | shadeslayer, the write will use ram to buffer to the slow flash, give it time |
| 23:33.17 | shadeslayer | brr |
| 23:33.24 | shadeslayer | vgrade: ok so i have some questions |
| 23:33.39 | shadeslayer | a) is a 2GB microsd card enough? |
| 23:33.51 | vgrade | shadeslayer, no I don't wear frocks :) |
| 23:33.55 | shadeslayer | b) i unmounted my microsd card via clockworkmod |
| 23:33.58 | shadeslayer | vgrade: lol |
| 23:34.15 | shadeslayer | vgrade: i was hoping to assist you guys in porting meego to the HTC Desire |
| 23:34.49 | shadeslayer | ( unmounted it after the disk was written 100 % but the time kept on going ) |
| 23:34.56 | vgrade | Desire, thats the Nexus One |
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| 23:35.17 | shadeslayer | pretty much yes |
| 23:35.39 | shadeslayer | nearly same hardware ... except the desire has no secondary mike and a optical trackball |
| 23:35.42 | shadeslayer | oh and more RAM |
| 23:35.44 | vgrade | I think termana had some sucess with that |
| 23:35.56 | shadeslayer | well |
| 23:35.58 | vgrade | I've not done a build for sometime now |
| 23:36.02 | shadeslayer | yeah |
| 23:36.12 | vgrade | things have moved on on the repos |
| 23:36.21 | vgrade | and meegotouch |
| 23:36.24 | shadeslayer | yeah .. i had to fix some repos manually |
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| 23:36.43 | shadeslayer | vgrade: http://pastebin.com/Y7mZqpuJ |
| 23:36.51 | shadeslayer | that's my desire.ks |
| 23:36.57 | vgrade | I'm working tegra2 and pandaboard but still have an eye on nexus |
| 23:37.18 | shadeslayer | :D |
| 23:37.29 | vgrade | lardman had a great idea this week on getting acelerated gfx going |
| 23:37.30 | shadeslayer | pandaboards are awesome |
| 23:37.35 | shadeslayer | oooh |
| 23:37.38 | shadeslayer | nice |
| 23:37.59 | lbt_ | hey vgrade |
| 23:38.25 | vgrade | lbt_, hi |
| 23:38.37 | lbt | just attempting to make a joggler image |
| 23:38.57 | TSCHAKeee | vgrade: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_krXOrg578 ;) |
| 23:39.13 | vgrade | lbt, you will probably have the same issues as shadeslayer, repos moving etc |
| 23:39.25 | lbt | I have a custom .ks |
| 23:39.30 | shadeslayer | lbt: yeah me too |
| 23:39.52 | vgrade | lbt, do you have the emgd latest stuff |
| 23:40.26 | lbt | http://pastie.org/1664981 |
| 23:40.53 | shadeslayer | that's it? :D |
| 23:40.56 | vgrade | TSCHAKeee, nice, you didn't reply to the ARM question |
| 23:41.05 | TSCHAKeee | what was that? |
| 23:41.15 | lbt | shadeslayer: just the important changes |
| 23:41.25 | vgrade | lbt, 1875, nice. not tried those yet |
| 23:41.28 | shadeslayer | okay |
| 23:41.33 | shadeslayer | lbt: so should i add that stuff? |
| 23:41.37 | shadeslayer | lbt: http://pastebin.com/Y7mZqpuJ |
| 23:41.47 | lbt | shadeslayer: dunno... it's writing to usb now |
| 23:41.49 | shadeslayer | lol .. it's 5 AM here |
| 23:41.52 | shadeslayer | lbt: okay |
| 23:41.54 | shadeslayer | same here |
| 23:41.57 | vgrade | shadeslayer, no EMGD is for intel GMA500 gfx |
| 23:41.57 | lbt | I'll be astonished if it boots ;) |
| 23:42.16 | shadeslayer | vgrade: okay .. i'm a newbie here ;P |
| 23:43.31 | shadeslayer | vgrade: i don't see anything about EMGD in the ks file |
| 23:43.53 | lbt | shadeslayer: emgd is only needed for Intel GPUs |
| 23:44.01 | lbt | the GMA500 specifically |
| 23:44.04 | vgrade | lbt, the problem will be if the 1875 requires a patch to the kernel |
| 23:44.17 | lbt | vgrade: OK |
| 23:44.32 | shadeslayer | lbt: can you tell me the exact line number? |
| 23:44.37 | vgrade | lbt, I think I saw a related IVI kernel commit around the time of the 1875 commit |
| 23:44.57 | shadeslayer | i've actually taken this ks from the wiki and changed the repos |
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| 23:45.35 | vgrade | got to go guys, bye , let me know how you get on |
| 23:45.41 | shadeslayer | cya |
| 23:45.43 | shadeslayer | thanks man |
| 23:45.49 | lbt | o/ vgrade |
| 23:47.20 | shadeslayer | lbt: how long are you around? |
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| 23:47.42 | lbt | shadeslayer: not long I'm afraid |
| 23:47.47 | shadeslayer | :( |
| 23:47.48 | lbt | will be up in 10hrs |
| 23:48.01 | shadeslayer | lbt: quick question, does installing this have a risk of bricking my phone? |
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| 23:48.08 | lbt | N900 ? |
| 23:48.13 | shadeslayer | Desire |
| 23:48.19 | lbt | ! |
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| 23:48.38 | lbt | I couldn't say |
| 23:48.39 | shadeslayer | ? |
| 23:48.50 | shadeslayer | lbt: so that ks is for a N900? |
| 23:48.51 | lbt | I wasn't aware of a Desire port |
| 23:49.04 | shadeslayer | well http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD |
| 23:49.12 | shadeslayer | i've finished compiling the kernel |
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| 23:49.42 | shadeslayer | also have a RAW file |
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| 23:49.57 | lbt | I couldn't comment on the bricking over what's said on the wiki |
| 23:50.17 | lbt | it's more to do with how recoverable the phone is |
| 23:50.22 | lbt | than meego |
| 23:50.43 | lbt | mmm .... sounds like it boots from SD |
| 23:50.50 | shadeslayer | as long as recovery is fine, i can fix it |
| 23:50.54 | shadeslayer | yeah |
| 23:50.57 | lbt | so that's usually pretty safe |
| 23:51.06 | shadeslayer | that's what i'm thinking as well |
| 23:51.23 | shadeslayer | is waiting for mic to finish writing |
| 23:51.27 | lbt | "Don't except something working perfectly, for me it just start the UI and nothing more, no touchscreen, no status icons... " |
| 23:51.42 | lbt | wooo ..... sync finished ! |
| 23:51.50 | shadeslayer | :S |
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| 23:56.35 | wazd_ | hmm, either meego don't have context menu, or my right-click is broken :) |
| 23:57.31 | thiago_home | ideapad right-click is broken |
| 23:57.59 | wazd_ | thiago_home: that was predictable :) |
| 23:58.43 | thiago_home | in fact, clicking is broken on the ideapad touchpad |
| 23:58.45 | thiago_home | tapping works |
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