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| 00:01.29 | efraim | hi |
| 00:02.01 | efraim | how can i write the meego usbimage? |
| 00:02.21 | efraim | i have lenovo netbook |
| 00:02.53 | Robot101 | efraim: you don't want it atm, there's no UI that's been released yet |
| 00:03.02 | Robot101 | efraim: you will just get a blank screen with an X terminal |
| 00:03.42 | efraim | ohhh |
| 00:03.49 | efraim | i see a video |
| 00:04.20 | efraim | nice interface |
| 00:05.17 | lcuk | meego Linux hacker UX |
| 00:05.28 | efraim | hummm |
| 00:05.46 | efraim | the video is official INTEL VIDEO |
| 00:06.31 | Robot101 | efraim: it's not released yet |
| 00:06.50 | CosmoHill | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.58 | CosmoHill | how did my gcc not see that |
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| 00:16.08 | CosmoHill | cyas |
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| 00:48.57 | Termana | good morning |
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| 01:22.06 | Efraim_BR | hi again |
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| 02:11.58 | Efraim_BR | hellow |
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| 04:58.08 | timeless_mbp | does meego have an intel rootfs? |
| 05:02.31 | TSCHAKeee | huh? |
| 05:03.19 | timeless_mbp | i'd like to setup a scratchbox so i can build stuff |
| 05:03.50 | timeless_mbp | but i don't have a working build env, i'm hoping to be able to download a single file which gives me a rootfs for i386 (or i586, i'm not very picky) |
| 05:04.49 | timeless_mbp | the fact that repo.m2.org doesn't match reepo.meego.com is hardly reassuring |
| 05:08.50 | timeless_mbp | ping? :) |
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| 07:09.26 | lbt | o/ |
| 07:09.43 | Stskeeps | morning lbt |
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| 12:20.20 | XS3_ | can someone help me out with tutorials for meego? |
| 12:20.39 | Stskeeps | making or getting? |
| 12:20.51 | XS3_ | getting |
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| 12:22.19 | Stskeeps | on what level? app development? |
| 12:22.50 | XS3_ | yeah app development |
| 12:22.59 | Stskeeps | look at qt tutorials |
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| 12:23.24 | XS3_ | same library? |
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| 12:24.46 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 12:24.54 | Stskeeps | qt sdk should work for meego eventually |
| 12:25.35 | XS3_ | so just the header files need to be changed? |
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| 12:27.11 | Stskeeps | not really, qt is a api you can build against :) |
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| 12:28.06 | XS3_ | okay |
| 12:28.16 | XS3_ | so incase i want to export it to another platform later? |
| 12:28.31 | XS3_ | will that be posible? |
| 12:29.13 | Stskeeps | if it runs qt :) |
| 12:29.24 | XS3_ | hehe |
| 12:29.29 | XS3_ | thats true |
| 12:29.35 | Stskeeps | can write against qt on meego and recompile it for qt on symbian if you want |
| 12:29.37 | XS3_ | so say n900.will it support? |
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| 12:29.52 | Stskeeps | yes, qt4.6's coming in PR1.2 |
| 12:30.03 | XS3_ | okay |
| 12:30.31 | XS3_ | by symbian you mean older editions like S60 3rd? |
| 12:30.46 | Stskeeps | go check out http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/04/27/nokia-rolls-out-qt-sdk-for-unified-mobile-developer-experience/ |
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| 12:33.37 | XS3_ | thats great news |
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| 12:40.43 | Anss| | that video was pretty good too, with some n8/n900 video in it. |
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| 12:41.13 | Anss| | n8 looks very interesting device indeed. |
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| 12:42.22 | slaine | I always thought the n810 was a great device |
| 12:42.42 | slaine | I would have liked to see that form factor develop further |
| 12:42.55 | slaine | The promise of MID's has yet to be fulfilled |
| 12:43.04 | slaine | and probably won't be now |
| 12:43.16 | Anss| | pitty that it did not have good opengl drivers |
| 12:44.06 | slaine | Hopefully we'll see a moorsetown version shortly :) |
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| 14:05.33 | WAHa_06x36 | hmm, I should take another shot at getting meego running on a beagleboard. |
| 14:05.45 | WAHa_06x36 | what are the exact requirements for the kernel used? |
| 14:06.06 | WAHa_06x36 | when I tried it with an ånström kernel it ran for a bit and then the boot process just stopped. |
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| 14:06.25 | Stskeeps | WAHa_06x36: if you have watchdogs, you need to add support |
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| 14:08.46 | WAHa_06x36 | Stskeeps: where? |
| 14:09.16 | Stskeeps | slaine: got a minute? |
| 14:09.25 | slaine | sure |
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| 14:11.08 | Stskeeps | WAHa_06x36: ok, so, does it reboot if you do init=/bin/sh ? |
| 14:11.42 | WAHa_06x36 | in the boot arguments? let's see... |
| 14:12.30 | lbt | was looking at btrfs |
| 14:12.48 | lbt | it looks pretty unsuitable for small devices |
| 14:13.06 | lbt | for a 1Gb partition it uses 269M in metadata |
| 14:13.19 | lbt | asking on btrfs that "sounds about right" |
| 14:14.13 | lbt | also, until 2.6.34 there's a bug which, AFAICT, doubles metadata usage |
| 14:14.53 | koupsaa | waouh 296M ! |
| 14:15.31 | slaine | lbt, that's more space than my minimal moblin install takes up |
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| 14:17.03 | WAHa_06x36 | Stskeeps: ALMOST the same thing happens. |
| 14:17.12 | Stskeeps | WAHa_06x36: hmm |
| 14:17.15 | WAHa_06x36 | Stskeeps: with init=/bin/sh it stops at "Freeing init memory: 180K" |
| 14:17.31 | WAHa_06x36 | Stskeeps: without it, it stops there, and then half a second later there's a "omap_wdt: Unexpected close, not stopping!" |
| 14:17.33 | Stskeeps | WAHa_06x36: what's your kernel cmdline? |
| 14:17.37 | WAHa_06x36 | that might just be random timing, I guess. |
| 14:17.41 | Stskeeps | nah, watchdogs prolly |
| 14:17.51 | slaine | is the initrd being found ? |
| 14:17.57 | WAHa_06x36 | console=ttyS2,115200n8 console=tty0 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rw rootfstype=ext3 rootwait omapfb.video_mode=1024x768MR-16@60 |
| 14:18.04 | slaine | that usually happens when it can't find a root fs |
| 14:18.08 | ShadowJK | lbt, ext4 looks kinda tolerable in my latency tests |
| 14:18.12 | WAHa_06x36 | this is just copypasted from Ã
ngström instructions. |
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| 14:19.05 | ShadowJK | but the resiots of tiobench looks so good it's probably lie ;p |
| 14:19.05 | Stskeeps | WAHa_06x36: ok, so, it shows kernel output where? |
| 14:19.18 | WAHa_06x36 | Stskeeps: on the serial port. |
| 14:19.30 | Stskeeps | hmm |
| 14:19.39 | WAHa_06x36 | I'll try to grab a copy of all of it. |
| 14:19.43 | Stskeeps | WAHa_06x36: well, it's watchdogs causing i guess |
| 14:20.33 | WAHa_06x36 | http://pastebin.com/RRJJrvyp is the full output. |
| 14:21.34 | Stskeeps | do you use a initrd? |
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| 14:23.07 | WAHa_06x36 | Stskeeps: I am just using whatever is on the downloadable meego filesystem, and loading the kernel through u-boot. |
| 14:23.29 | Stskeeps | WAHa_06x36: open or closed image? |
| 14:23.45 | WAHa_06x36 | Stskeeps: not sure what that refers to. |
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| 14:23.58 | Stskeeps | tablets-dev.nokia.com or repo.meego.com downloaded |
| 14:23.59 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:24.07 | WAHa_06x36 | Stskeeps: meego.com, then. |
| 14:24.12 | Stskeeps | k, open image |
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| 14:27.32 | Stskeeps | WAHa_06x36: it looks like a watchdog reboot, so we need to disable that in kernel i guess or make a wd kicker |
| 14:28.18 | WAHa_06x36 | Stskeeps: well, it stops for quite a long time at that point before actually rebooting. not sure if that means it's the watchdog. |
| 14:28.24 | WAHa_06x36 | like a minute or so. |
| 14:29.18 | Stskeeps | 60s is fairly normal value |
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| 14:29.36 | WAHa_06x36 | (also, of course, it boots fine with an Ã
ngström filesystem) |
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| 14:31.19 | slaine | It looks like its not finding the rootfs and just sitting there. I'm surprised there's no error message |
| 14:33.24 | WAHa_06x36 | oh. |
| 14:33.27 | WAHa_06x36 | OH. |
| 14:33.41 | WAHa_06x36 | I saw a note about the framebuffer in the bootup. |
| 14:33.49 | WAHa_06x36 | so I actually connected a monitor. |
| 14:34.06 | WAHa_06x36 | and it's showing a bash prompt! |
| 14:34.21 | WAHa_06x36 | for a while, I guess until the idle timout hits and it closes, and reboots. |
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| 14:34.53 | WAHa_06x36 | for some reason, it is not bothering to start any kind of login on the serial console. |
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| 14:36.29 | WAHa_06x36 | that's not terribly useful since I don't have a keyboard, though. |
| 14:36.37 | WAHa_06x36 | but it is a much less mysterious problem. |
| 14:36.49 | Stskeeps | inittab |
| 14:37.03 | Stskeeps | remove the console=tty0 for now i guess |
| 14:38.32 | WAHa_06x36 | I suppose I should enable the getty line for serial, too. |
| 14:39.49 | WAHa_06x36 | wait, it is enabled, but it's on ttyS0 and the bootargs say ttyS2. |
| 14:39.54 | WAHa_06x36 | I'll try changing that. |
| 14:41.46 | WAHa_06x36 | that worked, now I have a login prompt. |
| 14:41.53 | WAHa_06x36 | that I can't log into because I don't know any passwords! |
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| 14:42.50 | WAHa_06x36 | also it reboots after a while, which I guess is the watchdog. |
| 14:43.46 | WAHa_06x36 | so what are those logins? |
| 14:44.13 | Stskeeps | root/meego |
| 14:44.23 | Stskeeps | check your monitor for an xterm |
| 14:45.02 | WAHa_06x36 | root/meego doesn't seem to work. |
| 14:45.17 | WAHa_06x36 | also the monitor shows an xterm, but it's not much use without a keyboard. |
| 14:46.19 | glinpus | root logins may not be enabled on the serial port |
| 14:46.22 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 14:46.23 | Stskeeps | yes |
| 14:46.25 | Stskeeps | etc/securetty |
| 14:47.34 | lbt | ShadowJK: OK, I'll try that... |
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| 14:50.22 | WAHa_06x36 | Stskeeps: all right, that worked. |
| 14:50.38 | WAHa_06x36 | now I just need to find out how to keep the watchdog from killing the system. |
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| 15:08.06 | Termana | WAHa_06x36: Isn't Beagleboard mainlined? If you use a later kernel, it uses an OMAP watchdog driver that is like a normal watchdog and doesn't need kicking |
| 15:09.20 | lcuk | thiago, :D http://liqbase.net/lego/lego.htm |
| 15:09.35 | WAHa_06x36 | Termana: this is .32, if it matters. |
| 15:09.54 | WAHa_06x36 | also, it clearly needs SOMETHING done to it, since it's rebooting the system. |
| 15:10.21 | thiago_home | lcuk: :-) |
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| 15:13.03 | w00t_ | lcuk: awesome. |
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| 15:13.49 | lcuk | w00t_, they are trying to choose a suitable handheld device that fits their hands :D |
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| 15:14.07 | lcuk | stylus works well lol |
| 15:14.10 | DawnFoster | lcuk nice! |
| 15:15.18 | Termana | DawnFoster: Quick pm? |
| 15:15.32 | DawnFoster | sure |
| 15:16.55 | Stskeeps | yawns |
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| 15:20.23 | slaine | WAHa_06x36: is there a /dev/watchdog ? |
| 15:20.37 | slaine | you probably just have to write to that every 20 seconds or so |
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| 15:24.11 | WAHa_06x36 | slaine: yes, and writing to it gets another "omap_wdt: Unexpected close, not stopping!" |
| 15:25.38 | TSCHAKeee | slaine: what device were you talking about earlier? I lost the top part of my scrollback.. :P |
| 15:26.55 | WAHa_06x36 | slaine: also, writing to it does seem to keep the system alive, but it also keeps spewing that line. |
| 15:27.07 | WAHa_06x36 | slaine: there's got to be a way to turn it off, since Ã
ngström seems to manage it. |
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| 15:45.52 | bspencer | DawnFoster: I saw your email. I'll reply. I just got email back after about a week |
| 15:46.10 | DawnFoster | thanks bspencer! |
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| 16:05.23 | lbt | replies on the RWG/Surrounds Group/Downloads Group thread... |
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| 16:06.25 | lbt | and then goes back to the community autobuilder ... which really isn't a part of "Downloads" and really has nothing to do with end-users... although it *is* part of the community Surrounds... |
| 16:06.27 | Stskeeps | what's wrong with 'Extras'? :P |
| 16:06.44 | lbt | not a lot - but it means something already |
| 16:07.16 | lbt | I'm only objecting to "Downloads"... |
| 16:07.25 | Stskeeps | i vote for MeeGo X2 as name for it |
| 16:07.25 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:07.47 | w00t_ | R2D2 |
| 16:07.54 | lbt | I think we should be careful about what we're naming |
| 16:08.04 | lbt | it's the name of a meeting |
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| 16:09.00 | lbt | I really don't want it to be the "garage working group" or the "Extras working group" |
| 16:09.10 | lbt | depending on the url of the relevant service |
| 16:09.55 | lbt | I want it to be "the user application and community library suite QA and policy committee" |
| 16:10.13 | lbt | or something equally non-commital towards branding |
| 16:11.38 | javispedro | name memory overflow |
| 16:12.09 | lbt | yeah, I'm lazy ... so one word that says "not core" and "the rest of the crap" does me fine |
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| 16:12.57 | lbt | mainly "not core" ... so it's not owned by a bunch of Intel/Nokia employees on internal lists with marketing vetos over what can be done |
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| 16:13.27 | lbt | (Not that I'm against that - I just want to be clear that this isn't it) |
| 16:13.42 | Stskeeps | 'Land of ze crazies' |
| 16:13.50 | javispedro | The Suburbs |
| 16:14.04 | lbt | meh, getting fed up about it all |
| 16:14.07 | Stskeeps | Meegoville |
| 16:14.17 | GeneralAntilles | The People Whose Opinions Aren't Relevant *eg* |
| 16:14.25 | lbt | <grin> |
| 16:14.38 | w00t_ | 'cannon fodder' |
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| 16:18.51 | slaine | lbt, What about Eco, as in Eco System |
| 16:19.55 | GAN900 | Eco as in "These people are probably useful for marketting purposes. Much like that trendy Green crap." |
| 16:19.56 | lbt | that works |
| 16:20.16 | lbt | is loving the cynicism tonight :) |
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| 16:21.26 | RST38h | GAN900 <-- bitter =) |
| 16:21.56 | slaine | lbt, I'll make a formal proposal via the list then |
| 16:22.02 | slaine | see if anyone else bites |
| 16:22.11 | RST38h | On the other hand, they are a large corporation. do you expect them to be sociable or even reasonable? |
| 16:22.17 | lbt | there's not a huge amount of interest is there. |
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| 16:23.01 | lbt | goes back to his meego cubicle |
| 16:23.02 | slaine | ah feck, I did a reply all again |
| 16:23.06 | slaine | sorry |
| 16:23.24 | lbt | I always reply-all to dev lists |
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| 16:23.47 | slaine | someone gave out to me for doing it (only because I gave out to them for thread hijacking) |
| 16:23.54 | lbt | devs have the ability to setup email filters |
| 16:24.00 | slaine | nod |
| 16:24.30 | lbt | mails with me in the To: go to my inbox - otherwise filed into the list folder |
| 16:24.38 | slaine | same here |
| 16:24.42 | slaine | good old maildrop |
| 16:24.56 | lbt | seive :) |
| 16:25.20 | w00t_ | I can't help but read 'meeeco' |
| 16:25.24 | w00t_ | hehe |
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| 16:27.30 | lcuk | lbt, the Meego Extras Applications Meeting Organisation - MAEMO for short :p |
| 16:27.46 | lbt | dare you |
| 16:27.50 | lcuk | heh |
| 16:27.56 | slaine | lol |
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| 16:28.25 | lbt | waits to see if working down south has softened him up.... |
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| 16:28.48 | slaine | souther pansy |
| 16:28.52 | slaine | ^n |
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| 18:55.58 | CosmoHill | looks at GAN9001 and wonders if he has two different phone |
| 18:55.59 | CosmoHill | s |
| 18:56.58 | Stskeeps | GAN is actualy encrypted 'HAL' |
| 18:57.47 | javispedro | HAL9000+1, interesting model. |
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| 18:58.47 | slono[n800] | -.- |
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| 19:08.40 | bogie11 | great movie too |
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| 19:09.41 | CosmoHill | GAN9001? |
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| 19:19.57 | slaine | yawns |
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| 19:21.11 | Stskeeps | too |
| 19:21.43 | Stskeeps | even though i'm tempted to hack till late night as i will be in a car towards .dk thursday |
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| 19:30.19 | CosmoHill | Makefile:31: *** missing separator. Stop. |
| 19:30.21 | CosmoHill | :( |
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| 19:32.39 | lbt | googles a problem and finds his own page... <sigh> |
| 19:32.52 | Zeikko | lbt: :D |
| 19:32.53 | CosmoHill | pets lbt |
| 19:33.13 | Zeikko | You should know the solution then, right? |
| 19:33.23 | lbt | if only... |
| 19:33.58 | javispedro | conclusion: never never ever post your questions before googling answers for them. |
| 19:34.02 | CosmoHill | 3. removing the extension doesnt make it a folder, god i hate windows. |
| 19:34.03 | CosmoHill | lol |
| 19:34.42 | Zeikko | Who would want that? :D |
| 19:34.43 | RST38h | some people can't google |
| 19:35.05 | RST38h | they swear they type "exactly the same terms" into google and it returns nthing |
| 19:35.10 | CosmoHill | i'm reading a thread about it |
| 19:35.19 | CosmoHill | RST38h: further down the page is "what is VIM?" |
| 19:35.41 | slaine | I had a great one today |
| 19:35.42 | CosmoHill | thats because there are no results with line 31! |
| 19:35.47 | slaine | "Whats a network cable" |
| 19:35.52 | slaine | I ran screaming |
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| 19:36.48 | lbt | googles $1$wYJUgpM5$RXMMeASDc035eX.NbYWFl0 |
| 19:37.40 | suihkulokki | hey, that's my passwords hash! |
| 19:38.18 | lbt | let me check... what's your password |
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| 19:39.26 | suihkulokki | <g> |
| 19:40.58 | CosmoHill | slaine: should have stangled them with one |
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| 19:41.22 | CosmoHill | "THIS IS AN RJ45 UTP CAT6 BITCH!" |
| 19:41.54 | slaine | lol |
| 19:42.03 | slaine | and with that, I'm outta here |
| 19:42.07 | slaine | catch you all tomorrow |
| 19:42.10 | lbt | suihkulokki: you have "linux" as your pw? bad boy! |
| 19:43.26 | CosmoHill | anyone wanna see my makefile and help me? :) |
| 19:45.32 | lbt | pastebin it |
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| 19:47.59 | CosmoHill | does meego have it's own pastebin? |
| 19:48.12 | CosmoHill | http://linuxfromscratch.pastebin.com/b2K5p5nh |
| 19:49.14 | lbt | you know makefiles use TAB to indent... |
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| 19:50.34 | CosmoHill | if you remove the last two lines it works fine |
| 19:51.03 | CosmoHill | son of a bitch |
| 19:51.06 | CosmoHill | thanks lbt |
| 19:51.12 | RST38h | Cosmo: you used spaces instead of tabs there |
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| 19:51.37 | CosmoHill | my text editor was set to soft tabs |
| 19:51.46 | CosmoHill | which converts tabs to spaces when you enter them |
| 19:51.47 | lbt | use emacs |
| 19:52.19 | tripzero | ew, soft tabs sux |
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| 19:53.28 | CosmoHill | thanks guy :) |
| 19:55.47 | CosmoHill | do I want to wrap the install and uninstall in #ifndef WIN32 |
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| 20:42.42 | CosmoHill | I might port my game over to Qt and have graphics in the summer :) |
| 20:44.49 | CosmoHill | if we have ninja ops, how true is this: http://www.little-gamers.com/2010/04/12/show-mercy-i-am-playing-ffxiii/ |
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| 21:23.20 | victor____ | hello, i have a question... can i install meego on my system? |
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| 21:27.37 | CosmoHill | maybe |
| 21:27.42 | CosmoHill | vic oh damn he's gone |
| 21:27.52 | CosmoHill | impaicent sOB |
| 21:28.19 | lcuk | CosmoHill, perhaps he installed it already |
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| 21:36.19 | victor____ | hello, i have a question... can i install meego on my system? |
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| 21:36.56 | lcuk | senses deja vu |
| 21:37.53 | lcuk | victor____, how would anybody know what your system is? and how can they get a chance to ask your if you leave after a couple of minutes? |
| 21:39.23 | victor____ | my connection sucks... but i'm rith here... i'm using moblin 2.1 and i would like to try meego as the website let download de img... so i just wanna know if someone has tried it and if i could install and use it as my OS... |
| 21:39.46 | CosmoHill | hello victor____ |
| 21:39.52 | victor____ | hi |
| 21:39.59 | CosmoHill | you have a long tail |
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| 21:40.09 | victor____ | lol yeah ;) |
| 21:40.17 | thiago_home | victor____: first of all, do you realise the current MeeGo images are early developer releases? |
| 21:40.52 | victor____ | yeah and what does it mean? |
| 21:41.05 | thiago_home | it means the x86 image has no GUI |
| 21:41.10 | thiago_home | and the ARM image boots to xterm |
| 21:41.15 | victor____ | so meego's still nothing? |
| 21:41.30 | Stskeeps | it's an xterm and you can install qt |
| 21:41.44 | victor____ | which means? |
| 21:41.54 | lbt | my x86 meego has a gui... and an app too! |
| 21:42.00 | Stskeeps | shopper on joggler? |
| 21:42.02 | thiago_home | it means it's an early developer image |
| 21:42.05 | lbt | it's a little x cursor that follows your finger like a pet |
| 21:42.11 | thiago_home | it's for platform developers to start playing with it and developing it |
| 21:42.16 | thiago_home | are you a platform developer? |
| 21:42.19 | lbt | Stskeeps: soon... |
| 21:42.21 | CosmoHill | lbt: i have a hamster for that |
| 21:42.33 | lbt | renames Xorg Hamsterorg |
| 21:42.34 | victor____ | lol i'm a fucking exubuntu user ... so imaging |
| 21:42.44 | thiago_home | please watch your language |
| 21:42.47 | CosmoHill | shakes a swear jar at victor____ |
| 21:42.50 | thiago_home | I'd guess then that this image is not for you |
| 21:42.59 | thiago_home | please wait a bit more and there will be a full release |
| 21:43.04 | victor____ | so do i... |
| 21:43.08 | CosmoHill | in the mean time try gentoo :) |
| 21:43.17 | victor____ | and when is it coming out? |
| 21:43.29 | CosmoHill | october i think for 1.1. |
| 21:43.46 | victor____ | too much wait ... |
| 21:43.48 | thiago_home | may = 1.0, october 1.1 |
| 21:43.56 | GAN900 | MeeGo - We're working on it! Just wait! |
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| 21:44.16 | victor____ | bit the 1,0 one is being able to be installed? |
| 21:44.23 | victor____ | *but |
| 21:44.28 | Stskeeps | hopefully |
| 21:44.29 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:44.38 | CosmoHill | Meego 1.0 - Need more coffee |
| 21:44.58 | victor____ | i cant wait for it ... |
| 21:45.07 | victor____ | moblin's kind of boring ... |
| 21:45.47 | javispedro | MeeGo Nukem Forever |
| 21:46.55 | victor____ | and do you know what's new on meego... i mean the differences between mobling 2.1 and meego for netbooks |
| 21:48.12 | lbt | javispedro: really? |
| 21:48.15 | lbt | cool |
| 21:48.25 | thiago_home | victor____: no, we don't know yet |
| 21:48.51 | javispedro | lbt: :( |
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| 22:11.13 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
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| 22:20.26 | CosmoHill | crap |
| 22:20.38 | CosmoHill | I need to make a distractor |
| 22:20.42 | CosmoHill | destructor* |
| 22:21.22 | lcuk | lol CosmoHill irc is a distractor ;) |
| 22:21.43 | CosmoHill | and it takes up memory when it goes out of scope |
| 22:23.36 | lcuk | indeed |
| 22:26.18 | thiago_home | well, that's what happens when you try to do your work while IRC'ing |
| 22:26.28 | w00t_ | depends |
| 22:26.42 | w00t_ | "I'm compiling" is a perfectly valid excuse when Qt is involved :-) |
| 22:26.50 | w00t_ | and oh the irony, mine just finished |
| 22:27.11 | CosmoHill | The Hives is cool |
| 22:27.23 | CosmoHill | it takes 10 seconds to compile my program |
| 22:28.28 | thiago_home | w00t_: yeah, that xkcd strip is in several offices in the office |
| 22:28.37 | w00t_ | awesome :D |
| 22:28.37 | CosmoHill | hehe |
| 22:28.49 | CosmoHill | I was gonna print the debug flow chart |
| 22:28.57 | w00t_ | do you actually trundle chairs down the halls while waving pirate swords? |
| 22:29.22 | thiago_home | no, we have teambuilder |
| 22:29.33 | thiago_home | Qt builds take 7 minutes for me |
| 22:29.38 | thiago_home | and that's a full build |
| 22:29.40 | w00t_ | bah :p |
| 22:29.40 | CosmoHill | I've done a lap of the work stations backwards whilst chasing simon |
| 22:29.56 | w00t_ | I am seriously contemplating setting up a home compile farm |
| 22:30.02 | w00t_ | I have enough cores here, god knows |
| 22:30.04 | thiago_home | xkcd comic strips also share space with dilbert strips |
| 22:30.13 | thiago_home | and print-outs of stupid emails |
| 22:30.19 | CosmoHill | what is a compile farm? |
| 22:30.27 | CosmoHill | is it a cluster where you send work to the headnode? |
| 22:30.32 | CosmoHill | or a load of computers with distcc on them? |
| 22:30.43 | thiago_home | stupid questions set to support or the latest round of "reply-to-all-of-nokia" emails |
| 22:31.07 | thiago_home | CosmoHill: distcc is a couple of generations behind what we have |
| 22:31.07 | w00t_ | thiago_home: if there actually is an address to the whole of nokia.. :) |
| 22:31.23 | CosmoHill | you have a cloud |
| 22:31.23 | thiago_home | w00t_: I don't know if there still is one. There was one two months ago. |
| 22:31.30 | w00t_ | hah |
| 22:31.31 | thiago_home | CosmoHill: yes and no |
| 22:31.35 | thiago_home | we have workstations |
| 22:31.38 | thiago_home | they are the cloud |
| 22:32.03 | lcuk | thiago_home, 7 mins for a complete qt build is extremely impressive |
| 22:32.07 | CosmoHill | a workstation with a lot of work will share if with other work stations with not so much work? |
| 22:32.19 | thiago_home | it works like this: each developer runs a build server. There's one build scheduler in the network. |
| 22:32.35 | thiago_home | when you build, gcc is actually a symlink to the build tool |
| 22:32.41 | thiago_home | it contacts the scheduler and gets queued |
| 22:32.56 | thiago_home | if the scheduler says "build locally", it calls the actual gcc and builds |
| 22:33.13 | thiago_home | if the scheduler says "build on this machine", it runs only the preprocessor and sends that over the network to the other machine |
| 22:33.21 | thiago_home | the other machine then builds and ships back the .o |
| 22:34.04 | thiago_home | adding a scheduler is one generation ahead of distcc |
| 22:34.14 | CosmoHill | I wonder if we could do that at uni |
| 22:34.15 | thiago_home | then we added the ability to ship your compiler to other machines |
| 22:34.31 | CosmoHill | atm you have media students rendering on machines for a week or two at a time |
| 22:34.38 | thiago_home | and then we added the ability to use cross compilers (i.e., a 64-bit cross-compiler for 32-bit machines) |
| 22:34.45 | thiago_home | or the ARM cross-compiler |
| 22:34.50 | CosmoHill | you work for nokia right? |
| 22:35.00 | thiago_home | our next goal is to rid of the scheduler and do a distributed network |
| 22:35.01 | thiago_home | yeah |
| 22:35.08 | CosmoHill | any jobs going? :p |
| 22:35.09 | w00t_ | thiago_home: icecream sounds remotely similar |
| 22:35.18 | thiago_home | w00t_: yes, it's the same as icecream |
| 22:35.36 | CosmoHill | thiago_home: I may talk to you more about this |
| 22:35.40 | thiago_home | the only difference I know of is the case of multi-arch cross-compilers and PCH support. |
| 22:35.50 | thiago_home | yes |
| 22:35.59 | thiago_home | whenever you want to |
| 22:36.07 | CosmoHill | I'm trying to work out what to do for my disseration |
| 22:36.43 | CosmoHill | I need to make a list of hardware I have, what the staff would like and educational outcomes |
| 22:36.47 | CosmoHill | *academic |
| 22:37.49 | thiago_home | w00t_: you should see the protocol we invented for the distributed work. :-) |
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| 22:38.09 | thiago_home | multicast, encrypted, multiple networks, dealing with firewalls |
| 22:38.54 | w00t_ | mmm :> |
| 22:38.59 | w00t_ | it hole punches? |
| 22:39.17 | thiago_home | no, the point is that some machines will send UDP packets, but will not receive the replies |
| 22:39.29 | thiago_home | so you've got nodes who keep poisoning the network |
| 22:40.01 | thiago_home | they would send offer to join the network and run compile jobs, but they wouldn't actually accept any jobs |
| 22:40.58 | w00t_ | heh |
| 22:41.05 | w00t_ | right |
| 22:41.37 | CosmoHill | what kinda network do you have? |
| 22:41.40 | CosmoHill | GbE? |
| 22:41.45 | thiago_home | yes |
| 22:41.49 | CosmoHill | nice |
| 22:41.54 | thiago_home | but FastEthernet is enough |
| 22:41.55 | lcuk | thiago_home, nice, is the distributed doofer open source? |
| 22:42.02 | CosmoHill | really? |
| 22:42.07 | thiago_home | lcuk: well, it doesn't exist in code yet |
| 22:42.12 | thiago_home | it's just ideas in a wiki |
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| 22:42.29 | lcuk | you just said you can build qt in 7mins over distributed net? |
| 22:42.39 | thiago_home | wait |
| 22:42.41 | lcuk | or is this a different app |
| 22:42.43 | thiago_home | we have a compile farm |
| 22:42.43 | CosmoHill | I maybe building a beowulf cluster with a 100Mb/s switch |
| 22:42.45 | ljp | hugs teambuilder |
| 22:42.58 | thiago_home | I meant that the next generation of the tool we want to do in a distributed fashion |
| 22:42.58 | CosmoHill | READ THIS LOG |
| 22:43.07 | CosmoHill | now I can find this in my history :) |
| 22:43.08 | thiago_home | without needing to install and run a scheduler |
| 22:43.28 | lcuk | thiago_home, cool, maybe you can FIXED the qtbug about multicast whilst you are building it :D |
| 22:43.29 | tripzero | heh, hrm |
| 22:43.42 | thiago_home | CosmoHill: the preprocessed source is often under 2 MB. When compressed, it sends very quickly. |
| 22:43.48 | thiago_home | the size of .o files is also very small. |
| 22:44.04 | thiago_home | the only performance hit is when you need to transfer your compiler to another machine. Even then, it's around 10 MB. |
| 22:44.13 | thiago_home | or one second under FastEthernet |
| 22:44.22 | thiago_home | lcuk: yeah |
| 22:44.29 | lcuk | thiago_home, thats only a problem when you have lots of source and wanting all the little bits |
| 22:44.48 | lcuk | if the machines have qt on already and you are just trying to build/run the same app on all machines its run |
| 22:44.51 | lcuk | its fun ^ |
| 22:44.59 | CosmoHill | I think my cluster might have either |
| 22:45.09 | CosmoHill | 1. fast ethertnet for control and data |
| 22:45.13 | CosmoHill | or |
| 22:45.28 | lcuk | i have multiple machines running multiple generations of operating system and want the same app running at same time on all of them |
| 22:45.30 | thiago_home | another thing we wanted is a distributed preprocessed cache |
| 22:45.46 | thiago_home | since many people run the same distro and are building the same software, they could benefit from it |
| 22:45.47 | CosmoHill | 2. 1 x fast ethernet for control and 1 x fast ehternet for data |
| 22:45.50 | lcuk | which was close with original liqbase - i built continuously on my 810 for this purpose |
| 22:45.50 | thiago_home | that is, distributed ccache |
| 22:46.31 | w00t_ | thiago_home: that would be useful |
| 22:46.54 | thiago_home | wonders why he's talking to lcuk and w00t_ in two different channels |
| 22:47.07 | lcuk | thiago_home, simplest is to have the machines just pulling in git changes |
| 22:47.16 | lcuk | 1000 machines getting the diffs pulls down latest source |
| 22:47.18 | w00t_ | thiago_home: because you love us both just that much |
| 22:47.26 | lcuk | 3 for me thiago_home |
| 22:47.36 | lcuk | irc is ++ for conversation fragmentation :D |
| 22:47.38 | w00t_ | thiago_home: I think my question is better: why am I talking to you in two channels, on two seperate clients, on two different topics |
| 22:47.53 | w00t_ | :-) |
| 22:48.09 | lcuk | tho we have crossed purposes - w00t is talking about udp code - im concerned about multicast - you need multicast for your render farm |
| 22:48.11 | CosmoHill | thiago_home: at least it's just peoople |
| 22:48.22 | CosmoHill | I've had one conversation with one person over two servers |
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| 22:49.23 | javispedro | do a barrel roll. |
| 22:49.36 | lcuk | only 1? |
| 22:49.52 | javispedro | ok, multicast it. |
| 22:59.50 | CosmoHill | wow I missed out "return" and my compiler didn't care |
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| 23:06.44 | CosmoHill | grr, my hamster is biting the plastic in his cage and it's loud |
| 23:07.00 | CosmoHill | thiago_home: isn't it 3am? |
| 23:11.15 | thiago_home | 1 |
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| 23:12.06 | CosmoHill | not to bad |
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| 23:32.30 | RigTig | I tried running 2010-3-31 release on EeePC701, but failed 'cos no pae in CPU. Any idea about why need pae in target machines? |
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| 23:41.15 | CosmoHill | probably because the kernel is build to require something |
| 23:41.25 | CosmoHill | or the programs are compiled to a certain processor |
| 23:44.45 | bfree | afaik the eee (celeron) would fail due to the need for SSSE3 anyway even if PAE didn't make it fall over first ... basically an atom or core2 (or newer) needed |
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| 23:56.07 | RigTig | Tx bfree; looks like MeeGo is not for me. |
| 23:56.44 | RigTig | MeeGo-ing; bye |