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| 07:13.46 | Sicelo | am i the only one who hates google's login screen, where username is entered, then you have to click Next in order to get password field |
| 07:14.00 | Sicelo | any ideas how to restore the 'old' way? |
| 07:31.41 | brolin_empey | Sicelo: I do not hate that design but the Web site of my credit card company has been the same in that way for years. |
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| 07:54.39 | Sicelo | :) |
| 07:54.45 | Sicelo | you're used to it |
| 07:58.56 | brolin_empey | 3.5-inch HDDs seem very large (in dimensions, not storage capacity) now that I am used to 2.5-inch HDDs and SSDs. |
| 08:03.31 | brolin_empey | My Galaxy Note 3 seemed large when I first began using it but now âsmaller-than-phabletâ computers seem small. |
| 08:05.18 | Maxdamantus | still has 14 TB of 3.5" HDDs in his computer. |
| 08:06.51 | Maxdamantus | 3.5" HDDs are probably still fairly large in storage capacity (versus volume). |
| 08:07.14 | Maxdamantus | Can get 8 TB consumer drives atm I think. |
| 08:07.59 | Maxdamantus | You'd probably have to pay excessive amounts to have that storage density on SSDs. |
| 08:08.16 | Wizzup | for now, yes |
| 08:08.23 | Maxdamantus | (that is, pay far more than you'd usually pay for the same amount of storage on smaller SSDs) |
| 08:09.33 | KotCzarny | sicelo: disable js for that google screen maybe? (didnt try) |
| 08:12.19 | Sicelo | i wonder. will check |
| 08:12.44 | Maxdamantus | Presumably there's something somewhere to say that it's a public computer you're logging onto. |
| 08:13.34 | Maxdamantus | Oh, nvm. The boxes are on different screens even when it doesn't know your account. |
| 08:15.03 | Maxdamantus | If you set your UA to the one used by an N9 it has both boxes on the same screen. |
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| 08:15.59 | Sicelo | Google should make this thing optional. I don't even see the logic behind it |
| 08:16.26 | KotCzarny | sicelo, maybe it forgets your username cookie |
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| 09:02.41 | jonwil | Updated root certificates for Maemo Fremantle (and patches/instructions/everything else needed to make it work) should appear in CSSU Git sometime tonight assuming I dont hit any more snags/roadblocks |
| 09:05.20 | Wizzup | Awesome work! |
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| 10:14.45 | ceene | wow! |
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| 12:01.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?do=process is borked. I mean, a search for "led" doesn't show any hits? |
| 12:08.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can't find how to patch mce - I posted it myself :-/ |
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| 12:20.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | google to the rescue :-/ https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1388368 |
| 12:28.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: are you maintainer of cssu-mce? could you please fix ^^^ + http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2013-11-23.log.html#t2013-11-23T06:20:48 |
| 12:29.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# md5sum /usr/lib/mce/modules/libfilter-brightness-als.so |
| 12:29.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | 9db7e3c959bd5b47c7fcfb6ebc1ca764 /usr/lib/mce/modules/libfilter-brightness-als.so |
| 12:30.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | once this been fixed by binary patching in original MCE by me, now it's broken again on one of my N-th device migrations and CSSU updates |
| 12:33.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, happy new year |
| 12:35.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | Gong Xi Fa Cai |
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| 13:02.36 | jonwil | Just about finished with the root CA stuff |
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| 13:08.49 | kerio | the what now :o |
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| 13:39.24 | bencoh | kerio: the certificate store |
| 13:39.30 | kerio | nice |
| 13:39.31 | bencoh | maemo/certman |
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| 13:44.07 | jonwil | ok, the work is supposedly finished but for some reason it isn't working right (in that a legitimate https site gives me an "invalid" error in microb) |
| 13:45.12 | kerio | ;< |
| 13:45.14 | kerio | which site? |
| 13:45.19 | jonwil | ib.boq.mobi |
| 13:45.20 | kerio | check it with ssllabs |
| 13:45.22 | jonwil | my bank |
| 13:45.42 | jonwil | it works just fine in microb with the old root ca set (or did last I checked which was a while back) |
| 13:45.53 | jonwil | and it also works just fine in my desktop browser |
| 13:46.04 | jonwil | https://www.google.com.au does work though |
| 13:46.26 | kerio | ye it works |
| 13:46.29 | kerio | like |
| 13:46.33 | kerio | the site itself works |
| 13:47.01 | jonwil | Going to make a t.m.o forum post about all this and see if anyone can shed any light on the problem |
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| 14:20.41 | jonwil | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1498178#post1498178 |
| 14:35.09 | jonwil | Even with the stuff that doesn't work yet, its still a major achievement for the future of Maemo |
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| 14:40.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, I fixed MCE ALS/indicatorlight stuff again, and there's a script now for you to fix it too :-) https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1388368 |
| 14:43.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, rather a set of shell commands. Needs sed-gnu!!! apt-get install sed-gnu; make sure your path to sed points to /usr/bin/gnu/sed or use full pathname /usr/bin/gnu/sed in place of just "sed" |
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| 14:57.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#nasty_hack_to_fix_indicator_light_in_bright_environment |
| 15:04.34 | enyc | DocScrutinizer05: do you ever get the impression the whole world is a nasty_hack ? |
| 15:05.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I often think that most *I* do is |
| 15:05.13 | enyc | lol |
| 15:05.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | the above thing works but is terribly wrong on a multitude of aspects |
| 15:06.16 | enyc | i've not seen much wpwrak talking of late |
| 15:06.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | it shouldn't depend on sed-gnu, it shouldn't patch a binary to start with, and finally it just works by lucky coincidence that the pattern is unique in this very binary |
| 15:07.42 | inz | the world is a thin polished veil over a selection of nasty hacks, jury rigs, kludges, duct tape and wd-40 |
| 15:07.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh and you generally prolly shouldn't patch binaries with *sed* |
| 15:08.11 | enyc | i was half-expecting to see wpwrak discussing marketing-the-project-progress feedback and/or hackerbus-draft to discuss hey-ho get the re eventually =) |
| 15:08.15 | enyc | inz: lol =) |
| 15:08.33 | enyc | inz: duct-tape is like the force: dark on on side, light on the other, and holds the universe together |
| 15:08.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehehehe |
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| 15:13.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#epilog |
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| 15:42.55 | Vajb | so, i have this notify script in irssi. And it sends dbus command to vibrate when someone says my nick, but for it to work it requires --print-reply. So im asking, if it possible to hide that dbus reply on irssi? |
| 15:44.57 | bencoh | >/dev/null ? |
| 15:45.47 | Vajb | u mean to add that after dbus command? |
| 15:45.55 | Vajb | i'll try |
| 15:46.08 | bencoh | I wonder why it needs --print-reply |
| 15:46.50 | Vajb | i don't know, but if i remove that part it doesn't vibrate |
| 15:47.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | weird |
| 15:47.46 | bencoh | yeah I tried as well |
| 15:47.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | and? |
| 15:47.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | confirm? |
| 15:48.43 | Vajb | ok say my nick |
| 15:48.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: |
| 15:49.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: |
| 15:49.14 | Vajb | thx doc and thx bencoh for suggestion, works |
| 15:49.40 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: yeah, I confirm it doesn't vibrate without --print-reply |
| 15:49.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | freaking bug |
| 15:49.55 | bencoh | dunno |
| 15:50.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | dbus-send shouldn't return before the dbus message got sent? |
| 15:50.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | try a sleep 1 after dbus-send |
| 15:50.56 | Vajb | well, im happy as it works without that reply shown now :) |
| 15:51.48 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: sleep 1? what? |
| 15:52.01 | bencoh | I tried from a shell :) |
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| 15:52.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/notify.sh indeed also has print-reply |
| 15:52.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: duh! |
| 15:52.44 | Vajb | ok try now. I replaced devnull with sleep 1 |
| 15:53.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf how does dbus-send sent msg differ for receiver depending on whether sender prints reply or not? :-o |
| 15:53.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: it won't work |
| 15:53.34 | bencoh | maybe it depends on having "someone" listening to the answer |
| 15:53.36 | Vajb | true |
| 15:53.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: bencoh already tested it in a context that doesn't vanish (shell) |
| 15:54.03 | Vajb | it juust blurbed an error of baddlyformed data item |
| 15:54.25 | bencoh | Vajb: do you run irssi on device? |
| 15:54.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 15:54.37 | bencoh | or is that irssi over ssh + vbell + xterm notification? |
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| 15:54.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | hahahahaha |
| 15:55.03 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: ? :) |
| 15:55.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly doubt it would ever vibrate then |
| 15:55.23 | Vajb | bencoh: nah, i just like my phone to vibrate in my pocket when im irc'ing on desktop ;) |
| 15:55.47 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: with vbell+xterm notification on vbell, it would :) |
| 15:56.05 | Vajb | that would be beoynd my grasp |
| 15:56.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | well |
| 15:56.13 | bencoh | I'm just not sure xterm has external command support for that |
| 15:56.17 | Vajb | i have just irssi on my device |
| 15:56.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | it doesn't |
| 15:56.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik |
| 15:56.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I even doubt it supports bell at all |
| 15:56.56 | Sicelo | doesn't (if we're talking stock XTerminal) |
| 15:57.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 15:57.32 | Sicelo | Vajb: now i'm curious regarding your setup .. you mention dbus, irssi, desktop... please clarify what's running where :) |
| 15:57.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think desktop came in on an inverted basis |
| 15:58.20 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: talking about real xterm :) |
| 15:58.29 | Vajb | desktop was just part of my bad joke :) |
| 15:58.37 | bencoh | (I dont use the libvte-based thing) |
| 15:58.46 | Sicelo | so irssi on device (with perl support)? |
| 15:59.02 | Vajb | im running irssi on n900 with simple script to vibrate when mentioned |
| 15:59.04 | bencoh | osso-xterm isn't really usable (and libvte is pretty bad / slow) |
| 15:59.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | investigation project: why does dbus-send fail for vibra patterns when no --print-reply ? |
| 15:59.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | first step: study dbus-monitor |
| 15:59.55 | Vajb | hey, maybe jonwil want's it :) |
| 16:00.21 | Vajb | Sicelo: yes. Found on forum |
| 16:00.37 | Vajb | maybe bencoh was the one who made it? |
| 16:00.41 | Sicelo | i know that *one* :p i built it ;) |
| 16:01.00 | Vajb | ah it was u |
| 16:01.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaaah wait wait wait, it's a flaw in mce I bet - or rather a feature: any pattern (LED or vibra) terminates when dbus sender disappears from bus |
| 16:01.29 | Vajb | well i knew it was either Sicelo or bencoh and odly enough i failed at 50/50 guess.. |
| 16:01.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least that would be a semi-reasonable explanation, however for LED patterns it evidently doesn't apply |
| 16:02.01 | Sicelo | Vajb: interestingly enough, i don't run any scripts on it now :p |
| 16:02.15 | Vajb | :p |
| 16:02.23 | Vajb | mine is almost perfect |
| 16:02.47 | Vajb | i just need to figure way to make it not vibrate when window is active |
| 16:03.20 | Vajb | and i wanna figure it out by myself thx ;) |
| 16:03.53 | Sicelo | share afterwards. no idea |
| 16:03.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | please paste the dbus-send cmdline here |
| 16:05.17 | Vajb | "dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_vibrator_pattern_activate string:PatternChatAndEmail >/dev/null" |
| 16:05.27 | Vajb | as is in my script |
| 16:05.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ta |
| 16:05.57 | Vajb | in script that i copied somewhere and added just that string* |
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| 16:11.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf is wrong with dbus(-monitor)? http://paste.opensuse.org/81641486 I don't see the dbus-send message? |
| 16:11.23 | bencoh | monitor system? |
| 16:11.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | I do, no? |
| 16:11.59 | bencoh | indeed |
| 16:12.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | does dbus-monitor not see most of the stuff when started as user? |
| 16:12.42 | bencoh | dunno |
| 16:15.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, same under root |
| 16:15.49 | Vajb | okay. Lets see if it works say my nick now |
| 16:15.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: |
| 16:16.02 | Vajb | ok |
| 16:16.17 | Vajb | now again in few seconds |
| 16:17.55 | Vajb | anytime u want :) |
| 16:18.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: |
| 16:18.37 | Vajb | hmm now i broke it |
| 16:18.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | dbus is thoroughly fsckdup |
| 16:18.53 | Vajb | :D back to drawing board |
| 16:19.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | dbus-monitor doesn't show messages sent by dbus-send, mce doesn't vibrate when sender doesn't --print-reply... |
| 16:23.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | man dbus-monitor: >>The message bus configuration may keep dbus-monitor from seeing all messages, especially if you run the monitor as a non-root user.<< haha, even when run as root |
| 16:24.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | freedesktop.org, what else would you expect |
| 16:27.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | FLOS https://pappp.net/?p=969 |
| 16:29.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=477964 |
| 16:29.19 | povbot | 04Bug 477964: was not found. |
| 16:32.12 | KotCzarny | redhat == nsa |
| 16:32.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=477964#c11 |
| 16:32.22 | povbot | 04Bug 477964: was not found. |
| 16:32.38 | Vajb | k made some changes. Could someone say my nick twice with 5second sleep inbetween? |
| 16:32.47 | KotCzarny | vajb 1 |
| 16:32.48 | KotCzarny | 2 |
| 16:32.49 | KotCzarny | 3 |
| 16:32.50 | KotCzarny | 4 |
| 16:32.52 | KotCzarny | 5 |
| 16:32.54 | KotCzarny | vajb 5 |
| 16:33.20 | Vajb | hmm now it works opposite as meant lol |
| 16:33.38 | Vajb | thx KotCzarny :) |
| 16:34.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | and >>The problem with using --print-reply is that the call will block waiting for the reply from dbus.<< (comment 17) |
| 16:34.57 | KotCzarny | inz: problem is, there is no world, just vibrating superposition of the void |
| 16:35.30 | bencoh | riiiight |
| 16:35.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | this reminds me of a problem buried deep inside dbus we faced back in FSO when switching from python to vala. Seems the message buffer gets destroyed in dbus-send *before* the message got copied to the destination buffer, or sth like that |
| 16:36.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | this wasn't a dbus-send bug but generic dbus-lib mega bug |
| 16:37.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | and would explain a lot of randomly occurring erratic behavior in all dbus systems |
| 16:39.30 | KotCzarny | hmm, how about hacking vbell into vibra in x ? |
| 16:41.33 | bencoh | you dont really need to hack X, just hildon-desktop |
| 16:42.25 | KotCzarny | right, wm |
| 16:42.29 | bencoh | but it wouldn't work with osso-xterm anyway, since it doesn't handle vbell |
| 16:42.44 | KotCzarny | add vbell support to xterm too |
| 16:42.49 | bencoh | so you'd need to either move to another term emulator, or patch it |
| 16:43.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=896 |
| 16:43.17 | povbot | 04Bug 896: missing instructions in point 4 of installing scratchbox in gregale/INSTALL.txt |
| 16:43.21 | bencoh | I think it was discussed here some time ago (with sicelo maybe) |
| 16:43.27 | KotCzarny | anyway, ctrl-g should either beep on audio or do vibra |
| 16:47.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>For method calls, we simply wait for the reply, even if we don't print it.<< https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=896#c26 |
| 16:47.05 | povbot | 04Bug 896: missing instructions in point 4 of installing scratchbox in gregale/INSTALL.txt |
| 16:47.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | povbot: shut up! |
| 16:47.19 | povbot | DocScrutinizer05: Error: "shut" is not a valid command. |
| 16:47.24 | bencoh | :] |
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| 16:51.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dbus/2008-March/009526.html >> At which point the badness happens: The daemon (apparently) immediately closes the connection, oblivious to the fact that there is critical data in it's socket buffer as-yet un-read.<< |
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| 17:05.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: many thanks for bringing up this bug :-) |
| 17:06.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | fixing it might improve whole maemo stability a lot |
| 17:06.17 | Vajb | oh that's cool :) |
| 17:11.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | for a first stopgat (though only for dbus-send) we could overlay the dbus-send binary with a script wrapper that adds "--print-reply" and ">/dev/null/ if there's no "--print-reply" in the options handed to the command |
| 17:11.52 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: unless maemo stuff has been built around the bug :] |
| 17:12.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm pretty sure there are a bazillion other binaries that do a dbus-send() and then exit |
| 17:12.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: can't be, the bug 'evaluates to" a no-op |
| 17:13.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | worst case some stuff slows down a bit |
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| 17:43.27 | Sicelo009N | a little miscellanea: |
| 17:43.30 | Sicelo009N | https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mas90/misc/maemo-5-word-completion/ |
| 17:52.35 | Vajb | gotta love scripting. 3 hours and only thing that improved is that irssi drops dbus reply. So basically i got nowhere from where bencoh left off. |
| 17:52.53 | KotCzarny | what is your problem? |
| 17:53.06 | Vajb | well i know several ways about not to make it work |
| 17:53.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:53.29 | KotCzarny | you have to write/think rules something has to do |
| 17:53.36 | KotCzarny | then start implementing it as a script |
| 17:53.45 | Vajb | KotCzarny: i wanted to modify my vibrate script so it would only vibrate if my nick is mentioned and im not viewing channel |
| 17:54.22 | KotCzarny | is there a current channel variable? |
| 17:54.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>It is noteworthy that if word completion has any effect, it is to increase the time taken to enter text<< ;-P I always been aware of that |
| 17:55.30 | Vajb | KotCzarny: i thought Irssi::active_window(); would take care of that part |
| 17:55.42 | KotCzarny | did it? |
| 17:55.43 | Vajb | or i don't know what u asked :D |
| 17:55.50 | Vajb | nah |
| 17:56.00 | KotCzarny | what it returns? |
| 17:56.10 | Vajb | with all my addings it just stopt vibrating at all |
| 17:56.15 | Sicelo009N | i guess word completion much more useful for vkbd. There it's quite fast (at least for me) |
| 17:58.00 | KotCzarny | vajb: |
| 17:58.01 | KotCzarny | https://raw.githubusercontent.com/irssi/irssi/master/docs/perl.txt |
| 17:58.41 | Vajb | closest i got was it did nothing when channel was active and did "can't use string (#chan: nick who called me) as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at /path to script and line pointer to line i added" |
| 17:59.07 | Sicelo009N | Vajb: if you're "viewing" the channel, with your current proposal you may miss messages. Maemo has only one active window at a time, so if you've got something else on foreground, your 'viewed' irssi window may even scroll past .. just my 2 cents |
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| 18:00.17 | KotCzarny | UI::Window->{active} <-- Active window item |
| 18:01.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, indeed. that's absolutely non-trivial |
| 18:01.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | you also want to deal with locked screen etc |
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| 18:02.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | generally I'd consider it less hassle to have notifications even when I just stare at the trigger happening |
| 18:03.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise it would end with using frontcam to detect a pair of eyes focused on screen ;-) |
| 18:03.29 | Sicelo009N | :) |
| 18:04.17 | Vajb | hmm u r right |
| 18:04.42 | Vajb | oh well now it vibrates till my usermode is away |
| 18:04.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:05.13 | Vajb | without printing dbus reply :) which is great |
| 18:05.25 | Vajb | but i might have a vulnerability there |
| 18:05.32 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 18:05.56 | Vajb | when Sicelo009N said "viewing" i got reply |
| 18:06.07 | Vajb | 9 dbus-send: Data item "viewing" is badly formed |
| 18:06.27 | Vajb | scratch 9. Is part of time stamp |
| 18:06.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | heck, you shouldn't send data from IRC via dbus anyway |
| 18:07.05 | Vajb | i guess not |
| 18:08.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | your dbus-send script line is flawed |
| 18:08.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | it must not have any variables |
| 18:08.27 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: it actually works properly with Conversation |
| 18:08.45 | bencoh | and I think the relevant part is already in hildon-desktop |
| 18:08.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry? |
| 18:09.03 | bencoh | proper notification handling vs active window and/or lockscreen |
| 18:09.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | the relevant part is has_focus() |
| 18:09.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | or is_visible() or sth like that |
| 18:10.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | the usual thing you frequently use to not do nonsensical power consuming display updates when the display isn't visible at all |
| 18:10.43 | bencoh | all you'd need for it to work properly is have hildon-desktop/mb2 generate a notification on urgency hint event |
| 18:12.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I'm maximum scared with the buggy state of dbus at large, on maemo |
| 18:12.59 | Vajb | hmm i changed the thing i suppose did that thing. So try to say my nick and "test" |
| 18:13.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is probably one of the most severe bugs we ever found |
| 18:13.12 | KotCzarny | vajb test |
| 18:13.14 | KotCzarny | 2 |
| 18:13.15 | KotCzarny | 3 |
| 18:13.16 | KotCzarny | 4 |
| 18:13.17 | KotCzarny | 5 |
| 18:13.21 | KotCzarny | vajb test2 |
| 18:13.40 | Vajb | and test with "" |
| 18:13.47 | KotCzarny | vajb "" ? |
| 18:14.12 | Vajb | i mean (vajb "test"( |
| 18:14.16 | Vajb | err |
| 18:14.26 | KotCzarny | vajb "test" ? |
| 18:14.32 | Vajb | yeah |
| 18:14.45 | Vajb | didn't print anything so i guess it is safe now |
| 18:15.05 | Vajb | i removed $message part |
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| 18:41.21 | Vajb | btw. Was the current state of purple facebook plugin for maemo, solved not gonna happen? |
| 18:41.41 | Vajb | i remember reading something about need of newer glibc |
| 18:43.48 | Vajb | for pidgin in maemo to be exact |
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| 19:21.54 | bencoh | Vajb_: new *glib*, not glibc |
| 19:22.03 | bencoh | and, yeah, it looked like a real mess |
| 19:22.27 | bencoh | (deps hell) |
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| 21:23.19 | Sicelo009N | is it just me, or on tmo, after replying to a private message, i cannot see my reply |
| 21:24.53 | Sicelo009N | hmm, you have to go "Advanced" when replying. sucks that a checkbox for this is not available on 'default' reply box/page |
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| 22:51.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb_: it's no bug, it's an error in wiki or wherever you got the vibrator dbus-send command from. It should have --type=method_call and there's actually no other way than redirecting output >/dev/null |
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| 22:55.34 | jonwil | bah, still no closer to figuring out why so many https sites dont work now that I have updated the root CA certificate store |
| 22:56.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | isn't there a cmdline tool to evaluate the certificate chain of an arbitrary site? |
| 23:01.30 | kerio | ssllabs.com and sslanalyzer.comodoca.com |
| 23:19.27 | jonwil | At this point my guess is that NSS in Maemo is too old to handle certain certificates in the new root CA store for some reason |
| 23:19.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | looks like online tools to evaluate a forgein or own server |