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| 08:31.39 | paranoik | Hi guys. I have an old N900 with damaged mainboard(gsm, gps chips and usb port broken, vibrator damaged) and I would like to sacrifice its parts for Neo900 |
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| 08:32.31 | zamn900 | you... dirty... tell me.. did ya use it as sex toy? |
| 08:32.53 | paranoik | it was amazing |
| 08:32.56 | zamn900 | why vibrator damaged and acid damaged |
| 08:33.24 | paranoik | I bought it with these components damaged |
| 08:33.46 | zamn900 | oh... i am deeply sorry |
| 08:34.25 | paranoik | I guess that at least the display connector could be used for Neo |
| 08:35.01 | zamn900 | idk... |
| 08:35.09 | zamn900 | go in #neo900 |
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| 08:35.41 | zamn900 | I just awaked now from an erotic dream |
| 08:35.52 | paranoik | when I saw your first reply I understood that it is the wrong channel :) |
| 08:37.48 | zamn900 | lol |
| 08:37.54 | zamn900 | ahahahahahhahahhahahhahahha |
| 08:38.09 | zamn900 | i am rolling at floor |
| 08:39.26 | jaska | hits faari with a rotten baltic herring. |
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| 09:31.40 | grr | moin :) |
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| 09:53.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn, he left |
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| 12:12.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | >> j_o_l_l_a \n coming doon! \n your Limited Edition The Other Half will be shipped in the next few weeks. \n We'll send an email confirmation with shipping details<< |
| 12:12.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | nice surprise in that parcel that arrived today |
| 12:13.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/doon/soon/ |
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| 12:19.12 | zGrr | I've read on the other day, that jolla is planning to release new model with hw keyboard (N810 style) and larger 1080p display. |
| 12:20.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ping |
| 12:20.10 | infobot | ~pong |
| 12:20.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah |
| 12:21.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | and WTF?! tmo down? |
| 12:21.19 | zGrr | That would be cool. |
| 12:21.38 | zGrr | If they don't screw up the system software. |
| 12:22.00 | zGrr | Like N9 |
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| 12:28.48 | Wizzup | zGrr: source on this? :) |
| 12:29.45 | zGrr | Wizzup: I don't remember. I'll go through my bookmarks. |
| 12:30.14 | Wizzup | thx |
| 12:37.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | could somebody please test |
| 12:37.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | host -a ct.de 217.0.43.177 |
| 12:37.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | for me? |
| 12:38.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | THREE dns servers are down for me, giving me headache doing anything on internet |
| 12:38.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | 8.8.8.8 works great though |
| 12:38.57 | Hakki_ | no answer |
| 12:38.58 | wnd | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 12:39.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | so it's not me but germany down on DNS :-o |
| 12:39.34 | zGrr | Wizzup: it was that page, I saw on the other day: http://jollasuomi.fi/erittain-hieno-fani-konsepti-jollan-seuraavasta-puhelimesta/ |
| 12:41.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | Hakki_: wnd: thanks! |
| 12:42.19 | Wizzup | ah, that is .. totally comprehensible |
| 12:42.33 | Wizzup | gtranslates |
| 12:43.07 | Wizzup | It does say fan-concept |
| 12:43.08 | Wizzup | no? |
| 12:43.16 | wnd | it does |
| 12:43.18 | zGrr | Oh |
| 12:43.41 | zGrr | IC. Too beautiful to be true. |
| 12:44.12 | zGrr | They probably can't afford another launch anyway. |
| 12:44.52 | wnd | also, I don't get idea of phones large enough to be chopping boards |
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| 12:45.49 | zGrr | All so called phones, are too large anyway. |
| 12:46.18 | zGrr | I actually liked the size of N810. |
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| 12:46.45 | wnd | it's fine as a pda |
| 12:47.06 | zGrr | N900 was bit smallish, though it had better, more comfortable keyboard. |
| 12:47.38 | zGrr | Or IS smallish, since I still use it every day. |
| 12:48.33 | wnd | I wouldn't mind if my n900 was slightly smaller |
| 12:49.19 | wnd | but then again there are occasions when the opposite would also be true |
| 12:49.44 | ampharos | i'd be ok with N800 form factor if it didn't have the hump |
| 12:49.52 | ampharos | i never touched N810 so dunno |
| 12:50.16 | zGrr | Battery life is always an issue. You just can't have small smartphone with decent battery life. |
| 12:50.33 | wnd | but yeah, I think I prefer n810's overall shape, or relative dimensions |
| 12:51.34 | zGrr | Semi-smart, could be done, but who wants a semi-smart phone these days anyway? |
| 12:51.39 | wnd | we have an android phone as a "support line" at work. it's samsungs's candy bar phone using 3G network, it automagically updates emails and such, and the battery lasts for over a week. |
| 12:52.06 | wnd | of course it doesn't have active users as is |
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| 12:53.02 | zGrr | Never had Samsung. Some friends told me, it has good battery life but I never had any chance touch it. |
| 12:53.44 | wnd | I don't really know which model it is, but it's considerably smaller than n900, and I believe it was one of the cheapest available |
| 12:57.05 | zGrr | I think of buying nice, small feature phone to replace my annoying N9. |
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| 13:42.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are instances where I could shoot down KDE with a MTHEL. One such instance is when kio_http hogs all 4096 nat sessions of my router, to talk to the router HTTP |
| 13:43.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | which conveniently brings down everything incl DNS lookup on public DNS servers |
| 13:46.59 | jaska | wtf. |
| 13:51.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, actually my primary DNS server has an "issue", so I switched to 8.8.8.8 for now (OUCH!), but the kio_idiots were busy to try and find out about dunnowhat and kio_fubar doesn't terminate when you close the app that invoked it |
| 13:51.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | it goes on and on and on |
| 13:52.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually it just keeps downloading youtube videos you closed a 20 min ago. This time it retried connecting to dunno what |
| 13:54.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | now I'm wasted after 1h of DEFCON-1 |
| 13:54.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | I already thought something rooted my PC |
| 13:56.37 | jaska | o.O |
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| 14:00.03 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: why are you not running your own resolver? :( |
| 14:00.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | huh? |
| 14:00.45 | jon_y | you can enforce DNS signing checks for extra paranoia :) |
| 14:01.00 | jon_y | your own resolving DNS server for networks under your control |
| 14:01.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | because this OpenSuse distro is configured that way by default? I didn't know I'm "running my own resolver" |
| 14:01.21 | jon_y | or better yet, on every device capable of accessing the internet |
| 14:01.36 | jon_y | unbound is pretty easy to setup |
| 14:01.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | what would that help? |
| 14:01.48 | jon_y | bind is fine too if you don't mind the learning curve |
| 14:02.19 | jon_y | its just that I come from a country where ISP is blatantly fucjking with the DNS for censorship |
| 14:02.36 | jon_y | and supposed anti-piracy efforts |
| 14:02.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, so what's the solutions, except using a different DNS? |
| 14:03.02 | jon_y | do your own lookup |
| 14:03.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr |
| 14:03.15 | jon_y | have your local DNS query from the root |
| 14:03.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're aware that DNS is hierarchical? |
| 14:03.29 | jon_y | yes |
| 14:03.38 | jon_y | don't trust the ISP server |
| 14:03.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't |
| 14:03.53 | jon_y | not even 8.8.8.8 |
| 14:03.57 | jon_y | or opendns |
| 14:04.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | I picked my own DNS |
| 14:04.12 | jon_y | there used to be 4.4.4.2 but it died |
| 14:04.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | and obviously 8.8.8.8 is EVIL |
| 14:04.41 | jon_y | anyway, the top level domains are signed |
| 14:04.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | but the DNS I picked went south |
| 14:04.49 | jon_y | so at least 1 level of defense |
| 14:05.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think I could query tld |
| 14:05.25 | jon_y | what do you mean? |
| 14:05.32 | jon_y | dig com.? |
| 14:06.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder what DNS you suggest I should query, and how using my own resolver does change anything with the issues this DNs might give me |
| 14:07.09 | jon_y | oh NAT died |
| 14:07.31 | jon_y | yeah, nothing much you can do about it |
| 14:07.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, the DNS I configured since I know it's run by good guys died |
| 14:08.01 | jon_y | except maybe a more intelligent firewall to limit your kio_http |
| 14:08.30 | jon_y | the next best thing is to look it up from root |
| 14:08.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | then kio went mad on that 32byte reply for everything, and then kio killed my NAT |
| 14:08.44 | jon_y | it is how I got around government DNS blocks |
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| 14:09.22 | jon_y | anyway, this is best used against ISPs messing around with DNS |
| 14:09.34 | jon_y | or if you want to be independent on any single DNS provider |
| 14:09.57 | jon_y | there are at least half a dozen root dns servers, all signed of course |
| 14:10.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that's why I originally configured my very own set of DNS addr in resolv.conf |
| 14:10.19 | jon_y | you point your dns to root? |
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| 14:10.27 | jon_y | in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 14:10.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | huh? |
| 14:10.37 | jon_y | I don't think that would work |
| 14:10.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | I point it to IP of a DNS server of some nice little company I know |
| 14:11.30 | jon_y | I am saying that now they are gone, the next best course of action is to run your own recursive resolver |
| 14:11.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | who I know doesn't give sh*t about spying on their 3000 customers |
| 14:11.54 | jon_y | your network will query the resolver, the resolver will look up the records from root |
| 14:12.10 | jon_y | it is slower than google or opendns, but more secure |
| 14:12.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | what ever root is |
| 14:12.30 | jon_y | and easier to bring up if it goes down |
| 14:12.47 | jon_y | root means the DNS responsible for top "." domain |
| 14:13.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think they are open to john doe |
| 14:13.31 | jon_y | they would know where the servers delegated for com, org, net etc |
| 14:13.36 | jon_y | they are, I am using them now |
| 14:14.42 | jon_y | the only hard part is setting up a recursive resolver, which is to say bind or unbound |
| 14:15.03 | jon_y | once you have that up, just have your local dhcp or what not point to it |
| 14:15.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | and then you say I shall run my own DNS here for my LAN? |
| 14:15.39 | jon_y | yes |
| 14:15.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like a hell of configuration |
| 14:15.55 | jon_y | it's pretty low maintenance |
| 14:16.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | uhhmmm |
| 14:16.09 | jon_y | I have mine running for 2 years already without messing with it |
| 14:17.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah sure, just tell me how to make the DD-WRT tell all the Nxx0 devices and other appliences to use my local DNS which I also have to run on a 24/7 on machine |
| 14:17.29 | jon_y | do you have a 24/7 machine? |
| 14:17.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | not really |
| 14:17.44 | jon_y | :( |
| 14:17.57 | jon_y | some DD-WRT routers are big enough to run their own resolvers |
| 14:18.04 | jon_y | not sure which model you have |
| 14:18.26 | jaska | dnsmasq needs something to forward to |
| 14:18.27 | jon_y | raspberry pi is awesome for this :) |
| 14:18.32 | jaska | smallest i can think of is pdns-recursor |
| 14:18.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | Linksys WRT54G/GL/GS |
| 14:18.53 | jon_y | is that the newest model? |
| 14:19.04 | jon_y | iirc the newer model is pretty sucky |
| 14:19.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly not, given it's at least 4 years old |
| 14:19.11 | jaska | no its the old good model.. atleast older g and gl |
| 14:19.28 | jaska | wrt54gl is what i have at home running tomato.. ive seen it with uptimes 500+ days |
| 14:19.49 | jon_y | the old model had double the amount of RAM |
| 14:20.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that's about what mine had too... until 1h ago :-S |
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| 14:20.37 | jon_y | well, if you do get another smallish device like a rpi, it should run a dns server nicely |
| 14:20.44 | jon_y | it can live behind NAT |
| 14:21.01 | jon_y | have whatever router DHCP config point to it |
| 14:21.23 | jon_y | I don't know what Dlink thought it was doing to screw over buyers |
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| 14:21.37 | jon_y | I mean Linksys |
| 14:23.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | DLink omg |
| 14:23.29 | jon_y | jaska: does pdns-recursor do DNSSEC? |
| 14:23.40 | jaska | hmm |
| 14:23.42 | jaska | not sure |
| 14:23.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I nuked that dlink shit and got me this dd-wrt from a friend |
| 14:23.45 | jon_y | your NAT might not like it though |
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| 14:24.41 | jon_y | you can check with: |
| 14:24.47 | jaska | looks like no dnssec validation yet |
| 14:24.48 | jon_y | dig +dnssec AAAA in .gov. |
| 14:24.53 | jon_y | or A for ipv4 |
| 14:25.10 | jon_y | it should point you to servers in control of the gov domain |
| 14:25.29 | jon_y | query for "." is fine too, since TLDs are also signed |
| 14:25.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | dig: '.gov.' is not a legal name (empty label) |
| 14:25.57 | jon_y | huh |
| 14:26.06 | jon_y | fine, whitehouse.gov |
| 14:26.28 | jon_y | at least bind dig allows .gov. |
| 14:26.40 | jon_y | from ISC Bind |
| 14:26.54 | Hakki | dig +dnssec AAAA in gov. |
| 14:26.57 | Hakki | works better |
| 14:27.19 | jon_y | google's 8.8.8.8 supports dnssec |
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| 14:39.47 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: reducing the NAT ttl helps wonders if you have too many connections |
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| 14:40.14 | jon_y | it would help the NAT daemon to forget certain port associations |
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| 14:47.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: I know |
| 14:48.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | let's see, the router had 4080some open sessions 20s after rebooting it |
| 14:49.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~4080/20 |
| 14:49.29 | infobot | 204 |
| 14:49.50 | jaska | thats pretty wtf. |
| 14:50.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | now tell me, how long may NAT keep a session before dropping it, to keep up with that rate of new sessions created? |
| 14:51.02 | jaska | what sort of nat device is it? linux? |
| 14:51.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | dd-wrt |
| 14:52.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | kio_foo is foobar |
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| 15:04.51 | warfare | DocScrutinizer05: Usual timeout for established nat entries is 5 days. |
| 15:05.44 | warfare | DocScrutinizer05: Have a look in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/netfilter/ |
| 15:09.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think I reduced it to some 2 or 3 minutes |
| 15:09.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | on that dd-wrt |
| 15:10.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway after killall kio-http the number of connections droped from 4090 to ~30 during maybe 3 minutes |
| 15:10.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | dropped* |
| 15:11.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno what that kio_crap is doing, since netstat didn't show anything unusual |
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| 15:50.59 | kerio | DocScrutinizer! |
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| 16:31.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | WUT? |
| 16:32.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: ? |
| 16:32.35 | kerio | i have a first-level math degree :D |
| 16:32.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | so that's your excuse to highlight me? |
| 16:32.59 | kerio | eyup! |
| 16:36.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | I really dunno how you degree is relevant |
| 16:37.29 | kerio | well, i got it like 2 hours ago |
| 16:37.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, fine :-) |
| 16:38.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | congrats |
| 16:38.16 | kerio | :D |
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