| 00:00.39 | GeneralAntilles | square root. |
| 00:03.14 | Win7Mac | one of those geek-things not even mentioned on the wiki ;-) |
| 00:03.33 | GeneralAntilles | Need moar programming experience (or something) |
| 00:03.43 | GeneralAntilles | (go nominated yourself for HiFo Board and maybe you'll get it) |
| 00:03.46 | robbiethe1st | or math experience |
| 00:06.31 | Win7Mac | GA, awaiting your "question for candidates" thread on Talk ;) |
| 00:06.53 | GeneralAntilles | I'm still thinking about a 5th question. |
| 00:07.03 | Win7Mac | take your time |
| 00:07.09 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe I'll go with 4. |
| 00:07.29 | Win7Mac | not so soon ;) |
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| 00:08.58 | GeneralAntilles | OK, it's up: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1349349#post1349349 |
| 00:09.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't forget to ask the candidates if they got an idea about the *purpose* of HiFo ;-) |
| 00:09.48 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, go add that question to it. |
| 00:09.57 | GeneralAntilles | Hmm, actually |
| 00:10.00 | Win7Mac | ROTFL "Full disclosure: ..." |
| 00:10.00 | GeneralAntilles | I sort of covered it: |
| 00:10.18 | GeneralAntilles | "What do see you as the primary role for the Hildon Foundation Board of Directors?" |
| 00:11.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: seems you r#2 already covers that |
| 00:12.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you already said the same :-) |
| 00:12.38 | Win7Mac | GA: good initiative! |
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| 00:15.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd probably rather ask "do you understand that the primary role of HiFo is to be community's *treasurer* and *accountant*? And that there's NO great _mission_ that HiFo should follow?" |
| 00:15.17 | Win7Mac | only thing I wonder is if "...will, hopefully, be coming up..." helps anybody. |
| 00:15.38 | Win7Mac | rather name dependencies |
| 00:15.42 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, post away. |
| 00:16.57 | GeneralAntilles | Win7Mac, yeah, true. |
| 00:19.12 | GeneralAntilles | Should I update the first post with questions I like or just let the thread develop more organically? |
| 00:20.30 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, also: "Thanks!" you stingy bastard? I have 2 years of ITT-without-Thanks! to compensate for. :D |
| 00:20.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | eh? |
| 00:21.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | didn't I hit thanks yet? |
| 00:21.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait! I'm still editing |
| 00:21.30 | GeneralAntilles | :P |
| 00:25.19 | Win7Mac | well, the great _mission_ is to keep + grow actual support and pick up sailfish, no? |
| 00:25.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: done |
| 00:26.30 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, I agree. |
| 00:26.40 | GeneralAntilles | (DocScrutinizer05) |
| 00:26.52 | GeneralAntilles | Shall I aggregate useful questions to the first post? |
| 00:27.46 | Win7Mac | i'll post mine |
| 00:27.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | err no. "Pick up sailfish" is not on the agenda of HiFo, and for sure shouldn't. It might become a subject on the agenda of MCC, and MCC in their role as proxy of community might advice HiFo to do *material/financial/legal* stuff needed to pursue such subject/mission |
| 00:28.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: ^^^ |
| 00:28.20 | GeneralAntilles | I see HiFo as a sort of passive gardener for maemo.org |
| 00:28.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 00:28.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | though you could argue that's MCC |
| 00:29.10 | Win7Mac | don't wanna argue |
| 00:29.13 | GeneralAntilles | Might prune things in the direction of facilitating Sailfish/Jolla to be a part of the community (see: chem|st's Talk moves) but not actively pursing anything but keeping maemo.org running. |
| 00:29.28 | GeneralAntilles | I suspect we all mostly agree on this subject. |
| 00:29.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | and HiFo is the company delivering what the passive gardener needs |
| 00:29.44 | Win7Mac | GA, ^^ exactly |
| 00:29.53 | GeneralAntilles | Check the legal boxes, facilitate the MCC/HFC doing their jobs. |
| 00:30.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
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| 00:30.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | (see: chem|st's Talk moves) is exactly what MCC is meant for |
| 00:31.25 | Win7Mac | *pick up up was ofc very vague in any means |
| 00:31.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | after discussing it with community on Friday 1800utc, if needed |
| 00:33.18 | Win7Mac | grab my thanks too |
| 00:44.52 | Win7Mac | no idea how I am supposed to view my wiki-contributions :( |
| 00:48.20 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Preferences |
| 00:48.29 | GeneralAntilles | Number of edits: |
| 00:48.35 | GeneralAntilles | (User ID: 7) Woo |
| 00:49.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | wut? |
| 00:50.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, 1934 |
| 00:52.42 | Win7Mac | another corner of maemo I NHB :o |
| 00:54.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: number of edits actually works - I thought it was borked as well. This one is borked for sure: http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&tagfilter=&contribs=user&target=joerg_rw&namespace=&year=&month=-1 |
| 00:55.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ashley: ^^^ could you look into that maybe? |
| 00:58.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL!! http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Joerg_rw |
| 01:04.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | HELL, there's missing one or two edits between 2012-05-02T20:48:54 and 2013-03-22T21:34:15 |
| 01:05.22 | Win7Mac | seen that |
| 01:05.59 | Win7Mac | you use server time or offset? |
| 01:06.14 | Win7Mac | (beyond your regard) |
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| 01:07.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry? |
| 01:08.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | Number of edits:936, "all public logs": 13 |
| 01:08.43 | Win7Mac | nvm |
| 01:18.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: YEAH!!! \o/ |
| 01:18.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks! |
| 01:19.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly for straightening this insult about employment |
| 01:20.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | how pathetic |
| 01:20.12 | Woody14619 | More to come later, depending on how pissed I am tomorrow. |
| 01:20.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 01:20.40 | Win7Mac | :? |
| 01:20.51 | Woody14619 | I have saved at least 2 drafts I'm going to sleep on tonight. That was the *least* harsh... just to give you an idea. |
| 01:21.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah ;-P |
| 01:21.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I adore the "tell me , legal professional:..." |
| 01:21.52 | Win7Mac | ;) |
| 01:23.07 | Win7Mac | bedtime for me. good night all |
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| 09:01.24 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer51: n900 has G711 codec right? |
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| 09:29.52 | Macer | good morning |
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| 10:42.31 | Sicelo | vi__: yes, afaik. :P |
| 10:44.15 | Sicelo | i think the guy on tmo.. his provider just isn't interested in helping him. that's all. with asterisk, N900 uses both types of G711 vry well (if the network is good and reliable, of course) |
| 10:47.55 | Sicelo | G711 is PCM, likely the most basic codec there is |
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| 10:59.54 | vi__ | ye |
| 11:00.04 | vi__ | pcm==non compressed |
| 11:00.18 | vi__ | which means very little cpu overhead. |
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| 11:11.36 | vi__ | I am eagerly waiting confirmation of my new job. |
| 11:14.14 | Sicelo | hmm ?) |
| 11:14.18 | Sicelo | \o/ |
| 11:27.07 | Raimu | vi__: Where's your job? |
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| 14:16.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah, thanks Sicelo |
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| 14:43.29 | sixwheeledbeast | <<(20:25:56) DocScrutinizer05: sixwheeledbeast: please share URLs or whatever>> I did :) http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-06-03.log.html#t2013-06-03T20:15:15 |
| 14:44.00 | sixwheeledbeast | The autobuilder seems to be cleaning the package over and over again |
| 14:44.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | you don't make my life easier, eh? ;-P |
| 14:44.17 | sixwheeledbeast | :) |
| 14:44.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, known effect |
| 14:44.28 | sixwheeledbeast | every hour! |
| 14:44.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I already tagged it as one of our major headaches |
| 14:44.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | every 4h, every 2min, whatever |
| 14:45.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | give me the direct link to the package, so I can clean it out manually |
| 14:45.24 | sixwheeledbeast | ok, is this tied with the package not sending update notices? |
| 14:45.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | feels like the stupidest of bots |
| 14:46.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: become our autobuilder maintainer and find out! |
| 14:48.23 | sixwheeledbeast | I wouldn't know what to do. I am only asking if you knew, it's fine to say "I dunno" :) A problem shared == solved |
| 14:48.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: http://maemo.org/packages/view/nelisquare/ |
| 14:49.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | give me the direct link to the package, so I can clean it out manually |
| 14:49.51 | sixwheeledbeast | I think I spotted that on backscroll, wtf happen there. |
| 14:51.15 | sixwheeledbeast | do you need the package page? http://maemo.org/packages/view/lanterne/ |
| 14:51.58 | sixwheeledbeast | maemo.org is slow at the moment |
| 14:52.46 | sixwheeledbeast | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/lanterne/0.1.0/ and http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/lanterne/0.0.1/ are the packages being cleaned over and over. |
| 14:54.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | nuked them, now please leave me alone, I want to enjoy my deep depression and cry a little |
| 14:56.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | Or I GONNA KILL THIS AUTOBUILDEr WITH FIRE |
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| 14:59.42 | sixwheeledbeast | sorry... |
| 14:59.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | not your fault |
| 14:59.58 | sixwheeledbeast | hides |
| 15:00.43 | sixwheeledbeast | I just didn't want it wasting system resource that's all :) |
| 15:01.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, sth is *severely* fuckedup in this whole POS |
| 15:01.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: believe me, I feel all the same |
| 15:02.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | it makes me feel physical pain to watch the server build a page with thousands of "cleaned old package instance" history records, for minutes |
| 15:03.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | now figure what happens when spiders crawl the site |
| 15:03.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | and worst thing, we neither have a clue what caused that, nor how to *FIX* it for good. The history records linger on in midgards db forever |
| 15:04.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | while we curse about repligard db table of 20GB size |
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| 17:28.33 | sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: Your not kidding about "*severely* fuckedup" I have found more... I want to cry :( |
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| 17:37.41 | sixwheeledbeast | What happened in the second week of May to cause it :scratchhead: |
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| 17:39.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | it probably starts with ja, and ends with cekowski |
| 17:40.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | but that problem is older, we encountered it as early as october 2012 iirc |
| 17:40.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | please point me to all packages you can find that have this problem, so I can delete then one by one |
| 17:41.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: ^^^ |
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| 17:41.42 | sixwheeledbeast | yep well firstly modrana is like neilsquare *blank* |
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| 17:42.04 | sixwheeledbeast | plus so far I have located http://kl1p.com/pkgissues |
| 17:42.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | or even better, you get admin on midgard and hit "delete" on all *carefully* *checked* packages that have several "removed obsolete version" in their recent history |
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| 17:43.04 | sixwheeledbeast | I have check carefully before adding URL to list. |
| 17:43.19 | sixwheeledbeast | I have put date of first issue with the package too |
| 17:43.47 | sixwheeledbeast | Seems the issue was all updates to packages since 10 May ish |
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| 17:52.30 | sixwheeledbeast | Looks like all the new gcompris packages too ... grrr I will check and get URL's now |
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| 17:53.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: what's your garage name? |
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| 17:53.55 | sixwheeledbeast | sixwheeledbeast :) |
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| 17:57.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | please try to re-login to midgard, You should have a lot of dangerous permissions now, please use with great care! on every package page there's a *link* "delete" - please see and READ the hover test!! this link instantly nukes the object, no second security level!! |
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| 17:58.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/test/text/ |
| 17:59.26 | sixwheeledbeast | I can see options already |
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| 18:00.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | do NOT USE ANY of the new permissions, except "delete" on carefully checked packages as you've proven to do the checks in your list you posted! |
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| 18:02.05 | sixwheeledbeast | Ok so i click "delete package instance" on the individual packages page correct? |
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| 18:05.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: you use the "Delete" link seen in http://wstaw.org/m/2013/06/04/plasma-desktopMV3743.png in the middle of pic |
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| 18:06.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | under "ENDED 2013-05-17 04:29" |
| 18:06.19 | sixwheeledbeast | OK got it. |
| 18:06.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | no second guessing! clicking it instantly nukes the package, so BE CAREFUL! |
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| 18:07.00 | sixwheeledbeast | I will how far on the list did you do? |
| 18:07.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | do NOT use *any* of the midgard toolbar options! |
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| 18:07.17 | sixwheeledbeast | OK |
| 18:07.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | you'll see in history of packages |
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| 18:23.58 | sixwheeledbeast | ah a have had a pm to say recaller is doing it too. I will look now. |
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| 21:24.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.computersolutions.cn/blog/2012/05/msn-bing-crawler-spider-madness/ |
| 21:25.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | suckers, they killed maemo.org and shr-project.org yesterday |
| 21:25.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~kill M$ |
| 21:25.34 | infobot | ACTION shoots a excited anti-neutrino gun at M$ |
| 21:26.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | bing my ass, they're doing that since 3 years now it seems |
| 21:34.07 | M4rtinK | that's pretty crazy |
| 21:34.49 | M4rtinK | looks like they want to be evil - big style ! :) |
| 21:35.35 | ecc2g | uh weird... that first log in that web page indicates robots.txt 404'ed? am I readin gthat right? |
| 21:36.57 | ecc2g | not that it shouldnt be spamming webservers, i have my angst at baidubot that does the same to my server. |
| 21:38.39 | ecc2g | the first comment on that web page has a 200 code to get /robots.txt - now that time it read it properly... but the main body it 404'ed. |
| 21:40.13 | ecc2g | though it still picked up /members/ ... |
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| 21:47.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen jaffa |
| 21:47.31 | infobot | jaffa <~andrew@Maemo/community/contributor/Jaffa> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 37d 9h 55m 14s ago, saying: 'You do?'. |
| 21:47.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen GeneralAntilles |
| 21:47.42 | infobot | generalantilles is currently on #maemo (1h 17m 53s) #harmattan (1h 17m 53s), last said: '(User ID: 7) Woo'. |
| 21:47.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | suure |
| 21:47.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen texrat |
| 21:47.53 | infobot | texrat <47a4a6f1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.164.166.241> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 437d 17h 53m 17s ago, saying: 'right'. |
| 21:48.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen revdkathy |
| 21:48.12 | infobot | revdkathy <~androirc@5ace035f.bb.sky.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 628d 3h 54m 16s ago, saying: 'oh silly me, yes. It's apple who lift other people's work and pass it off as their own. '. |
| 21:48.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen ivgalvez |
| 21:48.44 | infobot | ivgalvez <~quassel@86.43.81.96> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 71d 4h 23m 27s ago, saying: 'but BM worked as a charm, God bless Robbie1st'. |
| 21:49.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen qole |
| 21:49.08 | infobot | i haven't seen 'qole', DocScrutinizer05 |
| 21:49.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | err |
| 21:52.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen Woody14619 |
| 21:52.12 | infobot | woody14619 is currently on #maemo (1h 21m 46s) #maemo-ssu (1h 21m 46s), last said: 'I have saved at least 2 drafts I'm going to sleep on tonight. That was the *least* harsh... just to give you an idea.'. |
| 21:52.16 | freemangordon_ | DocScrutinizer05: hmm, what are you looking for? |
| 21:52.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ex-councilors' cloaks |
| 21:52.44 | freemangordon | wtf? |
| 21:53.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | yaknow /maemo/community/council/* |
| 21:53.37 | freemangordon | oh, no, NameServ was spittinf bullshit |
| 21:53.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | freenode doesn't allow searching for cloaks or hostnames in general |
| 21:53.54 | freemangordon | I mean WTF was not pointed to you :) |
| 21:54.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah |
| 21:54.35 | freemangordon | my ISP does bullshit for the last couple of months, it seems i have to find another one |
| 21:54.56 | freemangordon | 5-6 reconnects per day |
| 21:55.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, time for the semi-yearly cloak action, x-fade will cheer he finally got sth to do ;-D |
| 21:55.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ouch |
| 21:55.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | might as wll be your modem |
| 21:55.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | or copper quality |
| 21:55.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | S/N |
| 21:56.17 | freemangordon | could be, but it is provided by the ISP too, so what's the difference? |
| 21:56.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | your neighbour switching on his DSL modem -> yours goes "duh, I should retrain". Known issue |
| 21:56.30 | freemangordon | the same |
| 21:56.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | check your S/N |
| 21:57.04 | freemangordon | I give a shit about that, if they don;t play nice I'll just change them ;) |
| 21:57.11 | sixwheeledbeast | qole was last seen http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-09-06.log.html#t2011-09-06T19:58:55 :) can I be a bot, all be it a slow one |
| 21:57.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it's too bad, odds are you get "no DSL possible" answer when complaining at your ISP |
| 21:57.35 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: actually we have a choice here :) |
| 21:57.46 | freemangordon | at least for ISPs |
| 21:59.10 | freemangordon | I kicked off my previous ISP because he wanted my..., hmm..., personal ID? not sure how to translate to English |
| 22:00.02 | freemangordon | yep, should be personal ID |
| 22:00.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ID card number? |
| 22:01.40 | freemangordon | no, it is a personal ID, it is a 10 digit number you got when you're born, it consists of your birthdate , 4 random digits and a check digit |
| 22:01.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh |
| 22:02.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | do you get a barcode on your forehead too? |
| 22:02.45 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 22:02.59 | freemangordon | the matrix, you know :P |
| 22:04.16 | freemangordon | however, we(in Bulgaria) are blessed with very good ISPs and internet connectivity as a whole, so I can change my ISP whenever I want |
| 22:05.01 | freemangordon | afaik only romanians have better inet, or at least that was the case 1-2 years ago |
| 22:07.57 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: still no autobuilder maintainer? |
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| 22:10.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, do you want to make me feel depressed? of course not, otherwise I had switched the channel to comic mode to celebrate that |
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| 22:12.14 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: come on, you know me, the worst thing I've ever wanted you to feel is wrong :P |
| 22:12.28 | freemangordon | I'm glad I usually succeed :D:D:D |
| 22:13.10 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: BTW the question about maintainer was serious |
| 22:13.16 | freemangordon | *the maintainer |
| 22:13.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know. My answer as well |
| 22:13.38 | freemangordon | ok, got it |
| 22:13.42 | freemangordon | :( |
| 22:14.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's nobody who's willing to play in a team, under a sysop, and learn about how that cauldron shit works |
| 22:14.42 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: honestly, i'd like to be, but I need some RL issues to pass by, to be able to take the commitment |
| 22:15.19 | freemangordon | I hate to say I'll do something and to disappear |
| 22:15.36 | freemangordon | actually never do like that (I hope) |
| 22:16.23 | freemangordon | 01:14 <DocScrutinizer05> there's nobody who's willing to play in a team, under a sysop, and learn about how that cauldron shit works |
| 22:16.28 | freemangordon | this is strange |
| 22:16.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, isn't it :-P |
| 22:16.47 | freemangordon | I mean - if you have a "boss", things are way easier |
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| 22:17.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess the latter part is the problem |
| 22:17.27 | freemangordon | could be |
| 22:17.43 | freemangordon | but dammit, it is a pile of scripts after all |
| 22:17.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
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| 22:19.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | a "block schematics" to be found at http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure#Autobuilder_and_friends |
| 22:19.33 | freemangordon | anyway, I'll give it try. when I have some free time. hopefully soon, as this is unacceptable(haveing buggy autobuilder) |
| 22:20.05 | freemangordon | *having |
| 22:22.03 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: BTW is there any progress wit nokia repo keys? |
| 22:22.10 | freemangordon | *with |
| 22:22.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | none at all |
| 22:22.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik |
| 22:22.28 | freemangordon | do we have any contact? |
| 22:23.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | no more than pali's last mails and the *cough* answers |
| 22:23.26 | freemangordon | ohh, we have answers? |
| 22:24.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | the last one a months or so ago been "Mr X isn't working for us anymore, this topic gets handled by MrY and Mr Z now" |
| 22:24.30 | freemangordon | I see |
| 22:24.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | OWTTE |
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| 22:25.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I *think* pali sent another mail to Y and Z, and I dunno if he got any answer |
| 22:26.05 | freemangordon | if we only have BoD as it was supposed to be :( |
| 22:26.25 | freemangordon | hopefully that will change soon |
| 22:26.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | we might need to consider to completely shanghai the nokia repos |
| 22:26.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | BoD couldn't to anything on that either |
| 22:27.30 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: the point is that lots of "users" will never know that n900 lives in 2013 |
| 22:27.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | the heck, they were not even supoosed to do much about it, after Nokia obviously refused to pass ownership to Nokia repos over to us |
| 22:28.08 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: that is understandable, they don;t own some IP in there |
| 22:28.53 | freemangordon | and they don'h have/unwill to allocate the resources needed to check every single package in the repos |
| 22:29.09 | freemangordon | s/to allocate/resources to allocate/ |
| 22:29.17 | freemangordon | you got it :) |
| 22:29.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | why would that be needed? |
| 22:29.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, to pass the ownership to us |
| 22:30.01 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 22:30.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I think it's more about the URL and the signature key - yes, THIS signature key |
| 22:30.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia already allowed us to redistribute binaries |
| 22:30.50 | freemangordon | see, we are "third party" |
| 22:30.58 | freemangordon | hmm? |
| 22:31.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, might be a problem nevertheless |
| 22:31.17 | freemangordon | which binaries, do you mane qole's exeption? |
| 22:31.24 | freemangordon | *mean |
| 22:31.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, sth like that |
| 22:32.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | Quim told us basically we can redistribute whatever we like, iirc |
| 22:32.45 | freemangordon | this is not enough "official" for all the packages ownership to be transfered to "third party" like HiFo |
| 22:32.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | but sure a whole repo officially handed over to us is a different thing |
| 22:32.51 | freemangordon | IIUC |
| 22:33.46 | freemangordon | however, it is unfortunate that Nokia don;t want to make this effort and fix the damn repo key |
| 22:34.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, it's subcontractors anyway |
| 22:34.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I *think* nokia told them to fix it, otherwise they never had approached us how to do it |
| 22:34.53 | freemangordon | is it? |
| 22:35.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | accenture? |
| 22:35.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd guess that's a subcontractor |
| 22:36.20 | freemangordon | in continuation to my "if we only have Bod" way of thinking - BoD can paster them way more effectivly than Pali, me, you or whoever "maemo star" |
| 22:36.35 | freemangordon | If you get me |
| 22:37.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think so |
| 22:38.25 | freemangordon | why? me, you, Pali, etc are "noone" in a corporate world. We are individuals, not "officials" |
| 22:38.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | and so is HiFo |
| 22:38.57 | freemangordon | wring |
| 22:39.01 | freemangordon | *wrong |
| 22:39.20 | freemangordon | "they" are official |
| 22:39.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | in which way? |
| 22:39.56 | freemangordon | in laws way. And that matters when average Joe gets an e-mail |
| 22:40.21 | freemangordon | no matter which laws |
| 22:40.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | neither of those who are relevant for that issue is "average Joe" |
| 22:41.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's Nokia nd Accenture, and for both HiFo is nobody as well |
| 22:41.45 | freemangordon | see, "Nokia" and "Accenture" are not the ones getting emails |
| 22:41.58 | freemangordon | it is concrete people |
| 22:42.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure they are, first instance |
| 22:43.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | you don't even know which are "the concrete people" inside Nokia you would want to cantact |
| 22:43.21 | freemangordon | And it depends whether e-mails are coming from "freemangordon@abc.xy" or "ceo@hifo.com" :) |
| 22:43.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | not to those inside Nokia |
| 22:43.43 | freemangordon | s/depends/makes difference/ |
| 22:43.53 | freemangordon | well, could be |
| 22:44.37 | freemangordon | but I still think it would've been better if we had a working legal entity |
| 22:45.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | might help, but also might have a downside |
| 22:46.02 | freemangordon | see, I don;t think our "contact people" in Nokia or Accenture are/were a decision makers |
| 22:46.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | as long as Nokia owns maemo.org, we don't sweat our shirt waiting for a patent troll to try and make some money from a binary shipped via extras-repo |
| 22:47.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | and anyway, as it looks now, we _never_ will own maemo, Nokia got pissed by HiFo |
| 22:47.03 | freemangordon | Nokia still owns maemo.org? |
| 22:47.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 22:47.17 | freemangordon | nice :( |
| 22:48.29 | freemangordon | well, in that case we are just generating some network trafic :) |
| 22:49.18 | freemangordon | NFC why, but I was under the impression that the ownership was transferred long ago |
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| 22:49.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah |
| 22:51.00 | freemangordon | see, I really try to keep away from politics, see my involvement in "Community Arawds" thread if you need and you'll get why :) |
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