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| 00:14.00 | raid__ | it should be okay for it to ask for the user password. it's supposed to keep out other people and unauthorized programs, and neither have your user password |
| 00:14.40 | robbiethe1st | Just have it ask for your SSN randomly. |
| 00:14.46 | robbiethe1st | and see if people notice |
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| 00:31.41 | r00t^home | so i reflashed the rootfs and got the device to boot again... |
| 00:32.18 | r00t^home | and after mounting home via usb-storage, fun like: |
| 00:32.19 | r00t^home | [12658.089730] EXT3-fs error (device sdb2): ext3_lookup: deleted inode referenced: 82087 |
| 00:32.19 | r00t^home | [12658.097831] EXT3-fs error (device sdb2): ext3_lookup: deleted inode referenced: 82063 |
| 00:32.37 | r00t^home | i did not see any fs errors in dmesg on the device... are they disabled or something? |
| 00:34.54 | r00t^home | fsck => many screens full of errors |
| 00:37.49 | robbiethe1st | the homefs seems to get corrupted once in a while during crashes |
| 00:39.04 | r00t^home | what is the root password for http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/BackupMenu/flashable_rootfs_v0.56-1-20101109.img ? |
| 00:39.34 | robbiethe1st | I'm pretty sure I never set it |
| 00:39.49 | robbiethe1st | so what ever comes default on the devic |
| 00:39.58 | r00t^home | then what's the use of the serial/ssh console option... |
| 00:40.07 | r00t^home | if you can't log in... |
| 00:44.01 | raid__ | What happened to git? I used to have a procedure to install it on the n900, but that doesn't work anymore. |
| 00:45.12 | r00t^home | i'm copying emmc to usd via usb storage now... great efficiency there ;) |
| 00:45.30 | r00t^home | raid__: the "procedure" being? "apt-get install git"? |
| 00:46.37 | raid__ | no, i installed it from source |
| 00:46.46 | raid__ | with special options |
| 00:47.04 | raid__ | apt-get install git doesn't work right |
| 00:50.09 | raid__ | but now it won't let me install libcurl3-dev |
| 00:50.18 | r00t^home | "won't let"? |
| 00:50.39 | raid__ | that's what i said... |
| 00:50.54 | raid__ | installing it was part of the procedure |
| 00:51.25 | r00t^home | "won't let" is a pretty useless statement in the context of software problems |
| 00:51.44 | raid__ | it's a dependency issue |
| 00:51.53 | raid__ | i'll have to track it down later |
| 00:51.56 | r00t^home | unless the program's output literally is "i won't let you do that" |
| 00:52.02 | raid__ | i have to be somewhere in 40 minutes |
| 00:52.09 | r00t^home | enjoy |
| 00:52.18 | raid__ | heh, sometimes it is in the world of linux |
| 00:52.34 | r00t^home | i don't think so |
| 00:52.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ponders to test the ABSOLUT100 |
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| 00:53.23 | raid__ | there is room for improvement in the linux error messages |
| 00:53.24 | r00t^home | i was about to make a joke asking if that's a brand of vodka... but it really is... |
| 00:53.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 00:54.01 | raid__ | arguably a lot of room |
| 00:54.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed it is the vodka I bought 3 days ago |
| 00:54.11 | r00t^home | but it seems that 100 is not the percentage of alcohol content... |
| 00:54.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, the proof, which is % * 2 |
| 00:54.45 | raid__ | it's the percent of satisfaction guarantee |
| 00:54.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | so 100 proof is 50% |
| 00:55.00 | r00t^home | i read a different definition of "proof" a while back, but whatever |
| 00:55.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah whatever, it has 50% |
| 00:55.21 | raid__ | it was probably from a linux error message |
| 00:55.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 00:55.34 | r00t^home | (mixing rate with water where it still allows gunpowder to ignite... wikipedia...) |
| 00:55.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki poorf |
| 00:56.04 | r00t^home | lol |
| 00:56.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki proof |
| 00:56.27 | r00t^home | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_proof |
| 00:56.51 | r00t^home | "The term was originally used in the United Kingdom and was defined as 7/4 times the alcohol by volume (ABV). The UK now uses the ABV standard instead of alcohol proof. In the United States, alcoholic proof is defined as twice the percentage of ABV. |
| 00:56.52 | r00t^home | " |
| 00:56.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki alcohol proof |
| 00:57.26 | r00t^home | "To ensure that the rum had not been watered down, it was "proved" by dousing gunpowder with it and then testing to see if the gunpowder would ignite. If it did not, then the rum contained too much water and was considered to be "under proof". Gunpowder would not burn in rum that contained less than approximately 57.15% ABV. Therefore, rum that contained this percentage of alcohol was defined to have "100° (one hundred degrees) proof". |
| 00:57.26 | r00t^home | " |
| 00:57.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | In the United States, alcoholic proof is defined as twice the percentage of ABV |
| 00:58.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | 100 proof = 50% |
| 00:58.22 | r00t^home | you're not in the united states, your argument is invalid |
| 00:58.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh, i'm notß |
| 00:58.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ? |
| 00:58.48 | r00t^home | i'm not, your argument is invalid |
| 00:59.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | fetches the final ultimate argument from freezer |
| 01:00.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably 50% doesn't even freeze in *my* freezer |
| 01:00.21 | r00t^home | wouldn't the "ultimate argument" be pure ethanol? |
| 01:00.25 | r00t^home | i was about to ask about that |
| 01:00.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | the usual 41% does |
| 01:01.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | ouch, that's a cold bottle |
| 01:01.21 | r00t^home | i have a bottle of pure ethanol around... but i don't drink that stuff in any (measurable) concentration |
| 01:01.26 | robbiethe1st | Well, take that freezer, replace the gas with propane, whack off the temperature control and /freeze/ that sucker! |
| 01:02.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's a propane fridge |
| 01:03.05 | robbiethe1st | I guess it is... but propane fridges usually burn propane to evaporate amonia, not use it for compression/expansion |
| 01:03.16 | robbiethe1st | (which will give you -40F at least) |
| 01:03.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | we're not allowed to use flour chloride hydrocarbon anymore |
| 01:03.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | fluor* |
| 01:03.47 | robbiethe1st | None of em? Not even R134A? |
| 01:03.53 | r00t^home | flour would be an interesting working fluid for a freezer ;) |
| 01:03.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | none |
| 01:04.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | >YAY |
| 01:04.23 | robbiethe1st | so you guys use propane as a working fluid then? |
| 01:04.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | small ice spice... ONE |
| 01:04.44 | robbiethe1st | They refuse to let us americans use it |
| 01:04.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | spike |
| 01:04.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | and a tad oily |
| 01:04.52 | robbiethe1st | (it's too cheap, for one) |
| 01:05.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | robbiethe1st: yep |
| 01:05.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | *cough* strong stuff |
| 01:06.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | but still tasty |
| 01:06.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe the black bottle turns white |
| 01:06.52 | robbiethe1st | (I'll point out - I added some extra propane to my aging R-12 AC system in my truck, and it went from barely cooling to easily /freezing/. |
| 01:07.16 | robbiethe1st | (truck's 25 years old, so...) |
| 01:07.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | watch out for the seals |
| 01:07.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | and system pressure |
| 01:07.46 | raid__ | ok bbl |
| 01:08.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | raid__: seeya |
| 01:09.24 | robbiethe1st | Yeah, I checked. |
| 01:09.44 | robbiethe1st | It's been holding pressure for about a year now, and nothings failed yet, so... |
| 01:09.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds good |
| 01:10.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | I once had a car they changed to R134A |
| 01:10.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc |
| 01:10.30 | robbiethe1st | didn't cool very well> |
| 01:10.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | the shit been, you had to refill every 6 months |
| 01:10.51 | robbiethe1st | wow |
| 01:11.47 | robbiethe1st | I looked at converting, but in order to do so I'd have had to drain my system, and then get new r134a etc. Like a $200 process. On the other hand, a $10 ebay hose and $.05 worth of commodity propane from a barbecue bottle... |
| 01:11.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, ammonia fridges. cool shit |
| 01:12.08 | robbiethe1st | Ammonia fridges are cool, yes |
| 01:12.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | the hotter it is, the better they work |
| 01:12.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | and can operate from candle |
| 01:12.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | absorber |
| 01:12.43 | robbiethe1st | The hotter the whole loop is, or the hotter the flame is? |
| 01:13.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | my dad told me the hotter the weather, the better those *huge* absorber fridges that cooled the morgue in hospital work |
| 01:14.02 | robbiethe1st | huh |
| 01:14.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | and he's been an enginieer (surprise surprise) |
| 01:15.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | not exactly fridge engineer |
| 01:16.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | but responsible for all technical stuff in our town |
| 01:17.02 | robbiethe1st | cool |
| 01:17.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absorption_refrigerator |
| 01:17.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe it has sth |
| 01:18.10 | ShadowJK | wonders what kind of coolant his '99 toyota would have |
| 01:18.28 | ShadowJK | and if they'd put something crappier in it if I had the AC serviced |
| 01:22.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | 99? probably already one of the excempt FCKW |
| 01:23.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | FKW, fluoride hydrocarbon |
| 01:24.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder what's the US TLA for FCKW |
| 01:24.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | F Cl C H |
| 01:24.46 | ShadowJK | do they refull with original or what |
| 01:25.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, not anymore (except in Poland ;-P) |
| 01:26.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | FClCH are forbidden worldwide. Nobody except some rogue chinese produce it anymore |
| 01:27.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | not even in fire extinguishers you may use it anymore |
| 01:29.00 | ShadowJK | hm |
| 01:29.20 | ShadowJK | guess i'll just wait for it to not work anymore |
| 01:30.21 | r00t^home | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorofluorocarbon => CFC, or Hydrochlorofluorocarbons (HCFCs) |
| 01:31.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | Chlorofluorocarbon /CFC/ |
| 01:31.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 01:32.34 | r00t^home | well, that's without the hydrogen, so HCFCs would be closer |
| 01:32.41 | robbiethe1st | wait, 99... probably R134A. |
| 01:32.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 01:33.10 | robbiethe1st | which you can get in the US, it's the 'favorite' refridgerant... probably because a big chemical company has patent control over it |
| 01:33.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | again yep |
| 01:33.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | while it's as nasty as any other hcfc |
| 01:34.00 | robbiethe1st | As soon as that patent is about to expire, R134A will be found to be the most nasty thing on the planet and banned |
| 01:34.05 | robbiethe1st | Just like R12 was |
| 01:34.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 01:34.24 | robbiethe1st | is cynical, I guess |
| 01:35.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, just the truth |
| 01:35.34 | robbiethe1st | It's frigging sad and annoying |
| 01:35.36 | robbiethe1st | oh well |
| 01:35.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | and unlike the old HCFCs I heard it's prducing HF (acid) when car burns |
| 01:36.07 | robbiethe1st | Oh, probably. |
| 01:36.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | which takes your face and runs, if you're still in the car |
| 01:37.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | nad kills your lung for good |
| 01:37.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | and* |
| 01:37.19 | robbiethe1st | Instead of propane/butane , which burns cleanly, has a narrow flammability range, and is an excellent coolant |
| 01:37.30 | robbiethe1st | but is too cheap and isn't patentable |
| 01:37.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 01:40.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | a few car manufs changed to propane already, for the safety |
| 01:40.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think mercedes/daimler did |
| 01:41.02 | robbiethe1st | Good for them |
| 01:41.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | coszs 50 bucks more |
| 01:41.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | costs |
| 01:41.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno why |
| 01:42.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | seals |
| 01:42.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | or general system pressure |
| 01:43.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohshit, dis warning on www |
| 01:43.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | disk (space) |
| 01:43.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | *yawn* |
| 01:44.00 | r00t^home | um... now flasher-3.5 won't talk to my device anymore... (yes, i'm plugging in usb with 'u' held down...) it just says "NOLO version 1.4.14" "Version of 'sw-release': <no version>" "Booting device into flash mode." .. but then the phone reboots normally |
| 01:44.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | low bat |
| 01:45.13 | r00t^home | um... now flasher-3.5 won't talk to my device anymore... (yes, i'm plugging in usb with 'u' held down...) it just says "NOLO version 1.4.14" "Version of 'sw-release': <no version>" "Booting device into flash mode." .. but then the phone reboots normally |
| 01:45.16 | r00t^home | sorry |
| 01:45.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | n8 |
| 01:45.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
| 01:46.21 | r00t^home | tried two other batteries, same result... |
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| 01:48.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | nasty |
| 01:48.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | CAL problem |
| 01:49.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | coldflash might help |
| 01:49.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I recommend till sb less tired ahd a look at it |
| 01:50.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/till/to wait till/ |
| 01:51.28 | r00t^home | is that behaviour really caused by the battery being low? |
| 01:51.42 | r00t^home | i guess i'll leave it charging for a while and see if that makes the battery controller happy |
| 01:51.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | we added 10GB to www, lasted almost a month |
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| 01:52.17 | r00t^home | (getting erratic battery status display is no surprise when switching batteries all the time) |
| 01:52.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | forget it. a borked system won't charge |
| 01:52.28 | raid__ | i'm installing iptables. i hope it works |
| 01:53.02 | raid__ | woohoo |
| 01:53.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | and refusal to flash due to low bat is based on voltage only, no impact from swapping |
| 01:53.33 | r00t^home | it does boot up fine... just that the image i flashed last pulls a watchdog reboot(?) shortly after reaching the desktop |
| 01:53.46 | r00t^home | i need to re-flash the broken /home |
| 01:54.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, too late here |
| 01:54.20 | r00t^home | yeah, 4am here too |
| 01:54.22 | r00t^home | night |
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| 01:55.28 | raid__ | where do you store your root bin files so as not to lose them? /usr/bin is the standard location, but you could lose them there |
| 01:56.04 | r00t^home | define "lose"? under what condition? re-flashing or what? |
| 01:56.32 | raid__ | well, that, and you could just forget you made them |
| 01:57.06 | raid__ | or what you called them |
| 01:57.31 | r00t^home | so you want a special directory for your custom binaries? |
| 01:58.46 | raid__ | i already do, but i'm not sure it's the best practice |
| 01:58.51 | raid__ | where do you put yours |
| 01:59.09 | r00t^home | usr/bin |
| 01:59.44 | r00t^home | usr/local/bin would be more appropriate, but iirc it didn't already exist, so probably isn't in $PATH either |
| 02:00.32 | raid__ | if you put them in /usr/bin how do you back them up |
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| 02:00.45 | r00t^home | i just lost then when i had to re-flash |
| 02:00.52 | raid__ | lol |
| 02:01.05 | r00t^home | i was working on setting up backups, but fs corruption was faster |
| 02:01.14 | r00t^home | *them |
| 02:01.27 | raid__ | can i interest you in a custom bin directory, lol |
| 02:03.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm |
| 02:03.59 | infobot | it has been said that backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 |
| 02:04.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | and /usr/local/* FTW |
| 02:04.47 | r00t^home | i had a perfectly working backupmenu on my old n900 that broke completely... but haven't managed to get that back since, because every single document on installing it seems to be outdated |
| 02:05.08 | raid__ | the problem i have with /usr/local/bin, is some programs install themselves there, especially when compiled from source |
| 02:05.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | and ~/bin for thwe totally exotic stuff |
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| 02:05.55 | raid__ | that's where i put my user scripts, but not sure if i should put root scrips there |
| 02:06.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | installing bm? |
| 02:06.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | use HAM |
| 02:06.14 | r00t^home | DocScrutinizer05: the cold flashing seems to be working |
| 02:10.52 | r00t^home | raid__: programs installing in usr/local when built from source - is the whole point of the thing! |
| 02:13.47 | raid__ | sort of. it's purpose has been changed since it first became an official path |
| 02:14.17 | r00t^home | usr/local = stuff not from distro... makes sense, no? |
| 02:15.01 | raid__ | that's what it's used for now, but that doesn't help me. i don't want to back up third party software that i can just download later |
| 02:15.18 | r00t^home | download and compile |
| 02:15.28 | raid__ | i need a place for my squishy scripts that are easily lost forever |
| 02:15.55 | robbiethe1st | Maemo Wiki! |
| 02:16.05 | raid__ | robbiethe1st: good answer! |
| 02:16.22 | raid__ | unfortunately, they're not all worth publishing online |
| 02:16.33 | raid__ | too proprietary |
| 02:18.54 | raid__ | ~/bin is probably the best place |
| 02:18.54 | infobot | ...but /bin is already something else... |
| 02:19.15 | raid__ | i'll just have to make sure i set permissions |
| 02:23.47 | raid__ | hmm, the iptables rules i use on my desktop aren't working on the n900 |
| 02:24.04 | raid__ | they're blocking everything |
| 02:24.32 | raid__ | iptables --policy INPUT DROP |
| 02:24.36 | raid__ | iptables --policy FORWARD DROP |
| 02:24.39 | r00t^home | but loaded without errors? and don't make assumptions about network device names/networks? |
| 02:24.47 | raid__ | iptables --policy OUTPUT ACCEPT |
| 02:24.52 | raid__ | iptables --append INPUT --match state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED --jump ACCEPT |
| 02:24.57 | raid__ | iptables --append INPUT --jump REJECT |
| 02:25.02 | raid__ | iptables --append FORWARD --jump REJECT |
| 02:25.18 | raid__ | yeah, it just blocks all traffic |
| 02:25.37 | raid__ | can't visit webpages or download with apt-get |
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| 02:43.27 | LouisDK | Hi. how would you consider using n810 as an internet tablet today? what do you think about the pda? |
| 02:50.24 | robbiethe1st | N900's far better |
| 02:50.31 | robbiethe1st | It's a nice device, if slow |
| 02:50.38 | robbiethe1st | N810 and older just aren't up to snuff |
| 02:50.59 | GI_Jack | I have a hard time using the n900 as an internet tablet |
| 02:51.15 | robbiethe1st | screen size? |
| 02:51.20 | GI_Jack | no |
| 02:51.27 | GI_Jack | lack of CPU oomph |
| 02:51.31 | GI_Jack | flash 9.1 no gnash |
| 02:51.33 | robbiethe1st | N810 is far slower |
| 02:51.43 | GI_Jack | won't run modern version of fennec |
| 02:51.51 | robbiethe1st | I'd go with a Nexus 7, and bluetooth keyboard. |
| 02:51.59 | GI_Jack | there is a flash 10.1 port but its unsuably slow |
| 02:52.22 | GI_Jack | I'm getting the new Jolla mobile phone when it comes out if I have to kill someone |
| 02:52.22 | robbiethe1st | They've got these cool keyboards which have a angle slot so you can have it open like a laptop, or fold it shut clamshell style |
| 02:52.47 | GI_Jack | the n900 is showing its age, its UI is sluggish, apps take too long to load |
| 02:52.50 | GI_Jack | its clumbsy |
| 02:52.59 | GI_Jack | the accelerometer plain old sucks |
| 02:53.08 | robbiethe1st | Use CSSU, OC it to 1ghz... |
| 02:53.21 | robbiethe1st | some tweaks you can do to seriously improve it |
| 02:53.25 | GI_Jack | I do use the CSSU |
| 02:53.51 | GI_Jack | my n900 is my daily phone, I don't overclock because I need it to hang on and probably can't easily replace it |
| 02:54.00 | GI_Jack | I've brought it back from the dead 3 times already |
| 02:54.14 | GI_Jack | with the infamous "all telephony connections are disabled error" |
| 02:54.36 | GI_Jack | with a mix of stainless steel springs cut carefuly to specific heights, super glue and liquid rubber |
| 02:54.45 | robbiethe1st | Ebay/ |
| 02:54.50 | robbiethe1st | You can buy em cheap |
| 02:55.21 | GI_Jack | the phone gets hot enough as is, I don't really how much more juice your going to squeeze by OC |
| 02:55.43 | GI_Jack | except reduce the service life, I have no idea what kind of thermal profile the case and cooling is rated for |
| 02:56.03 | GI_Jack | even if that CPU has been clocked as high as 1.1 GHz in other solutions |
| 02:57.16 | robbiethe1st | I've clocked mine to 950mhz, and it'll not get too hot even when maxed out for over an hour |
| 02:57.31 | robbiethe1st | at 1ghz, mine starts feeling way too hot if maxed out |
| 02:58.20 | robbiethe1st | I've run mine for over a year now at 125/900mhz, hasn't fried yet. This is my second device, though - first has USB fall out and I couldn't fix it |
| 02:58.28 | GI_Jack | and every CPU is diffrent because of flaws in the silicone, all we know is that they all passed QA at 600mhz |
| 02:58.38 | GI_Jack | others in the batch passed higher, and we know the design is capable |
| 02:58.50 | robbiethe1st | that one ran for over a ear OC'd at the same. voltages adjusted to make it stable on both |
| 02:59.11 | GI_Jack | but we also know that a 600MHz CPU could have easily failed 800MHz, been clocked down, passed QA and shipped with a 600mhz label |
| 02:59.21 | GI_Jack | this is routinely done industry |
| 02:59.35 | robbiethe1st | Yes, but typically, it's failed 800mhz at some voltage |
| 02:59.43 | robbiethe1st | give it a little more juice and it'll easily pass it |
| 02:59.54 | GI_Jack | more juice is more heat |
| 03:00.15 | GI_Jack | what margin of saftey does the n900 have, I'm not chancing it, cause it needs to be a cell phone first |
| 03:00.24 | robbiethe1st | And less life, yes. |
| 03:00.33 | Luke-Jr | NITs are pretty much obsolete; sadly, there's nothing better than N900 :/ |
| 03:00.35 | GI_Jack | robbiethe1st, have you gotten flash 10.1 to work |
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| 03:00.38 | robbiethe1st | If it's /hot/ to the touch, you might want to back off |
| 03:00.45 | GI_Jack | I'm not talking about install, but actually work, like load youtube and play |
| 03:00.46 | Luke-Jr | GI_Jack: if you want a cell phone, you don't want a NIT |
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| 03:01.01 | robbiethe1st | GI_Jack, I use the stock flash with a hack that makes it look like a later version |
| 03:01.02 | GI_Jack | Luke-Jr, no, I want an n900 with modern specs |
| 03:01.13 | Luke-Jr | GI_Jack: N900 is not a phone, and will disappoint you if you want a phone |
| 03:01.14 | robbiethe1st | works smoothly and plays youtube at minimum quality |
| 03:01.25 | Luke-Jr | I am not aware of a single person who wanted a phone, bought N900, and liked it. |
| 03:01.42 | GI_Jack | Luke-Jr, actually no, other than its weight, and thickness its actually a pretty good phone |
| 03:02.09 | Luke-Jr | … |
| 03:02.13 | GI_Jack | the voice quality is great, and text messaging is slick |
| 03:02.20 | GI_Jack | frals did a good enough job with mms |
| 03:02.36 | Luke-Jr | Ok, I guess you're the single person exception, if you're actually using it as a phone :/ |
| 03:03.03 | GI_Jack | yes, actually using it as a phone, and it makes a passing grade mp3 player |
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| 03:03.50 | GI_Jack | I'm just wondering if the community could get together and make a LGPL or BSD licensed opus/flac/ogg hardware codec and get everyone to start using it in all handhelds that work as music players |
| 03:04.47 | GI_Jack | same with a twofish/serpet/AES SHA/MD6 crypto chip |
| 03:05.29 | GI_Jack | and you can instant message and VOIP just as easily as txt/cell call |
| 03:05.35 | GI_Jack | which is really nice, and there is a libpurple backend |
| 03:06.30 | GI_Jack | media player could have been a little better, but it syncs with rhythmbox without pulling TOO many teeth, and plays music |
| 03:09.51 | LouisDK | anybody who knows where I can find a broken N900 not so expensive? |
| 03:10.15 | GI_Jack | ebay |
| 03:22.39 | robbiethe1st | Yup |
| 03:22.50 | robbiethe1st | What sort of broken are you looking for? |
| 03:27.24 | LouisDK | robbiethe1st: well. remembering my spare parts I don't have enough to put together a working n900, so I don't think I need a broken N900 anyway. |
| 03:28.50 | robbiethe1st | ah |
| 03:29.15 | robbiethe1st | I've got a spare lying around, I bought cheap - works, broken usb and cell modem doesn't. |
| 03:30.59 | LouisDK | ahh okay. mine have broken usb too and the screen cable is also damaged :/ I'm thinking of buying a used one just as a toy. |
| 03:33.28 | robbiethe1st | http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-OEM-Flat-Flex-Cable-Connector-Ribbon-Nokia-N900-w-Front-Camera-USA-/170718373929?pt=US_Cell_Phone_Replacement_Parts_Tools&hash=item27bf9ba829 |
| 03:33.34 | robbiethe1st | Cable, $15 |
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| 03:33.46 | robbiethe1st | with a set of small screw drivers, not hard to install |
| 03:35.50 | LouisDK | thx, i'll look at it. |
| 03:36.43 | robbiethe1st | I replaced a screen on mine, the hard part there was getting the new screen in without dust |
| 03:36.52 | robbiethe1st | cable's behind the screen though, so even easier |
| 03:47.14 | LouisDK | okay. looks good :) |
| 03:48.08 | LouisDK | thanl you. |
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| 07:07.51 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/30/samsung_build_randd_finland_nokia/ |
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| 07:13.31 | ruskie | http://www.gizmag.com/micro-phone-gsm-phone-locator/27707/ |
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| 09:13.33 | vi__ | I am thinking of switching back to Symbian. Please convince me otherwise. |
| 09:14.48 | joga | why? |
| 09:15.06 | vi__ | Because as a phone, the n900 sucks a mile long dick. |
| 09:15.14 | vi__ | I am so sick of missing phone calls. |
| 09:15.33 | vi__ | Because the caller screen does not see fit to even appear. |
| 09:16.02 | Luke-Jr | of course. N900 isn't a phone. |
| 09:16.15 | Luke-Jr | although I've never missed a call ringing on it unless I was out of range |
| 09:17.08 | joga | I've had only minor problems using it as a phone, the most prominent one being hildon-home etc getting 'stuck' so that every time you unlock the screen it takes a good few seconds to stop hogging cpu and you can do something, killing it every now and then helps but it's irritating if it happens when a call comes in, the ringtone will play but there's nothing you can do until it's ready |
| 09:18.18 | joga | and once it happened when I was expecting UPS to deliver a package, I couldn't answer the damn call (from unknown number, of course) so delivery was delayed by a week |
| 09:24.20 | divVerent | for me the n900 works ok as phone |
| 09:24.42 | divVerent | only reason I ever missed calls was vibration not strong enough |
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| 09:26.55 | vi__ | That is a good example. On many occasions I have not even had a notification of an incoming call. Just a yellow ballon telling me I missed a call. FFS WHAT A PIECE OF SHIT. |
| 09:28.54 | jooles | was of the opinion that whatever issues maemo has, Symbian 6 was worse :/ |
| 09:30.07 | vi__ | I never missed a telephone call on symbian. |
| 09:34.30 | joga | maybe the caller ended the call before n900 had managed to start playing ringtone |
| 09:34.33 | joga | :) |
| 09:35.58 | joga | but anyway I think for telephone use an old and durable nokia works just great, personally I use the n900 as a mobile terminal and calls/sms constitute just a tiny percentage of my use so it has worked fine in that respect |
| 09:36.26 | jooles | Bring back the 3310, eh? :) |
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| 09:37.47 | joga | I actually dumpster dived an E70 from work, I could get a new smartphone if I just asked but for work I need just reliable calls and stuff so it works great and also has a qwerty so in case n900 battery runs out or something I can use it for ssh in a pinch |
| 09:38.27 | joga | (after getting used to n900 keyboard the e70 feels a bit spongy and weird, also some symbols are more tedious to type) |
| 09:39.38 | joga | heh, actually the bag I dived had about 35 or so phones of which 20+ worked after just replacing battery, there were also a few 3310s :) |
| 09:41.48 | joga | all the old phones that hadn't been physically mangled worked, there were a few newer ones like e63 and some other slider-qwerty model and a similar one without the keyboard, they all turned on but didn't display anything on screen |
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| 09:42.14 | joga | was a shame because the e63 was in mint condition otherwise |
| 09:42.24 | jooles | nice |
| 09:42.39 | jooles | Have you tried re-flashing it? |
| 09:43.38 | joga | nah, I suspect it's a problem with the display and haven't bothered to look, I don't really need the phone myself :) |
| 09:44.17 | joga | there were also some working spare batteries so I emptied a few of the basic phones that were working and gave them to people who had use for one |
| 09:44.45 | joga | would be nice to get it working though, it's a bit more attractive than the 10 year old ones |
| 09:45.30 | jooles | What are the insides like? Any obvious damage/activated water indicators? |
| 09:46.10 | joga | I haven't opened it since it seemed like I would probably cause cosmetic damage doing so, from outside it seems perfectly fine |
| 09:48.00 | jooles | That's what makes me wonder if it's water damage though. The indicators are usually in the battery compartment and/or on the battery |
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| 09:57.35 | joga | well I checked inside it and it seems really clean, no signs of damage in battery connectors or battery |
| 09:58.50 | joga | maybe I'll pop the hood |
| 10:01.12 | jooles | Did you find the water indicator? |
| 10:04.26 | joga | the what? |
| 10:04.49 | joga | what does it look like? :) |
| 10:05.28 | jooles | Should be a little white sticker on or near the battery |
| 10:06.12 | jooles | If it's white, that's good. If there's been water in there it will have gone red |
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| 10:07.09 | joga | hmm...there's just the biggish sticker with IMEI etc and the battery itself has a hologram, I don't find any discolored regions at least |
| 10:07.30 | joga | not sure if the battery is original |
| 10:08.14 | jooles | It would be a little white square or circle. |
| 10:08.49 | joga | unless it's under the info sticker, I can't find it |
| 10:09.55 | joga | no red visible anywhere though |
| 10:18.00 | jooles | Eh, it may have been on the original battery. It's just always the first thing I check with a phone whose history I don't know |
| 10:23.05 | joga | I opened it up now, but haven't noticed anything suspicious yet |
| 10:25.14 | joga | aww the vibration motor is so tiny |
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| 10:45.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, I never had problems with answering phonecalls on N900, except of accidentally hitting reject button once, when friggin rotation bounced back and forth |
| 10:46.08 | Apic | ^.^ |
| 10:47.25 | divVerent | DocScrutinizer05: oh, I do remember another phone call issue with the N900 |
| 10:47.29 | divVerent | the phone appo has weird rotation |
| 10:47.38 | divVerent | and sometimes the meaning of the volume buttons reverses when I am "holding it wrong" |
| 10:47.48 | divVerent | as it sometimes toggles orientation during the call, and this reverses the volume buttons |
| 10:48.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | I get massive problems though with inbound SIP calls since I usually am (loccked) on 2G and that, while still establishing call, yields unbearable stutter and delay and dropouts |
| 10:48.17 | vi__ | I have it locked to landscape. It fails to even display the screen. |
| 10:48.26 | joga | I put the phone back together, it just seems to start (backlights turn on, a single vibration occurs) then after waiting a while the backlight turns off briefly, then back on, I assume it's just booting but can't see anything |
| 10:48.33 | vi__ | Do not even get me started on SIP. |
| 10:48.45 | vi__ | For a SIP device, the n900 is a colossial piece of shit. |
| 10:48.57 | Apic | True. |
| 10:49.17 | vi__ | SIP is nicely integrated but the audio is so choppy it is basically worthless. |
| 10:49.21 | joga | hmm, actually if I wait for longer it seems the backlight turns on every now and then so not sure if it finished booting properly.. |
| 10:49.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, I always had dialer app locked to portrait |
| 10:49.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually works just fine |
| 10:50.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | SIP works excellent when I'm at home on my WLAN |
| 10:50.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | you just have to wait 2s after establishing call, until audio streams properly set up |
| 10:50.59 | vi__ | Then you are the ONLY reported case I have EVER read of SIP working. |
| 10:54.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | hey, I even did SIP phonecalls with N810 from Taipei via my sipgate.de account (and RTP<->POTS gateway) to other german landline and mobile numbers. Worked great, as long as the intercontinental sea cables were not broken or congested (a frequently encountered problem in Taiwan) |
| 10:58.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | I at times have 5 SIP clients logged in here to same account: N810, 2*N900, N950, N9 (and sometimes even twinklephone softphone on PC). And all of them just work, once I allocated a dedicated SIP port do each of them and pinholed that port the router's NAT |
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| 11:02.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | many router NATs have a ALG that's more often than not broken and not really working. You should check if your router has an option to disable SIP-ALG (sometimes attributed as VoIP support). draytek-Vigor for example (old ones) neeted telnet to do that: sth like "set system alg off" |
| 11:03.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | needed* |
| 11:05.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | then make sure your SIP provider supports auto-STUN, or you force STUN to enabled and keepalive to REGISTER,60 |
| 11:06.30 | vi__ | I have auto stun on. It is still choppy and completely un-useable. |
| 11:07.29 | vi__ | Don't even get me started on how bad skype is. |
| 11:08.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | host -t SRV _stun._udp.sipgate.de |
| 11:09.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | if your SIP provider is lacking such SRV DNS record, auto-STUN will fail |
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| 11:12.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | if your router has symmetric NAT and doesn't allow local loopback (client in LAN talking to itself on the router's public IP) then STUNlib fails to detect the type of NAT |
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| 11:13.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | but all that is rather irrelevant for RTP quality |
| 11:15.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | one thing you could try that also helps for RTP sometimes is to set your SIP client device as exposed host, sometimes also (incorrectly) called DMZ |
| 11:16.01 | Macer | vi__: really? i don't have much of a problem with skype heh |
| 11:16.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | means *every* inbound connection gets directly forwarded to the exposed device |
| 11:17.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | be aware that this does what name implies: it exposes your N900 to the internet, with all the pings and ssh bruteforce pw cracking and whatnot |
| 11:18.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you better make sure you don't have too sloppy config of your services |
| 11:18.29 | Macer | is there even any real active telepathy skype dev? |
| 11:18.38 | Macer | i know gtalk video chatting no longer works |
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| 11:20.53 | vi__ | Macer: for me skype just plain fucking sucks. |
| 11:21.12 | Macer | vi__: ah i see. i don't really use skype on my n900 |
| 11:21.23 | Macer | i have cordless phones |
| 11:21.36 | Macer | with the vonagelike hub that connects to the router |
| 11:21.51 | Macer | i only use skype as a "home" number |
| 11:22.08 | vi__ | Mrs vi__ tried to skype her mother with the n900. The n900 was worthless. You could barely hear the other person there was soo much choppiness. So she switched to her android tablet. Perfect call. |
| 11:22.09 | Macer | but i can honestly say it hasn't let me down heh... seems to work well as far as i know |
| 11:22.20 | Macer | yeah |
| 11:22.37 | Macer | i'm sure beceause both the n900 and telepathy are old :) |
| 11:22.58 | Macer | that's usually what happens on abandonware heh |
| 11:23.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: I suspect your WLAN AP being POS |
| 11:23.33 | Macer | DocScrutinizer05: i don't. i had teh same problems skyping on my n900 and that was like 2 years ago |
| 11:23.35 | vi__ | Really? WNR3500L running dd-wrt. |
| 11:25.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | either your local router and connection (WLAN) stuff sucks, or your IP does nasty stuf with QoS traffic shaping/priorization |
| 11:25.15 | Macer | vi__: skype sells the mtx based phones which are similar to vonage phones.. which are usually work with older GE cordless phones |
| 11:25.33 | Macer | those are the best ones to use if you're just using skype for voice calls |
| 11:26.47 | Macer | DocScrutinizer05: why can't it be that skype changed the method in which it initiates and xfers the data and maybe the telepathy plugin for the n900 is just ancient and undeveloped? |
| 11:27.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | because others have no problems |
| 11:27.23 | Macer | plus if his wife used a tablet with a perfect call which most likely uses wifi...? |
| 11:27.28 | Macer | how would that be the AP? |
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| 11:27.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | AP not supporting the PSM that N900 uses |
| 11:28.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather: not *well* supporting |
| 11:28.39 | Macer | the easy solution to test that would be to test it over wireless |
| 11:28.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | there is about half a dozen of PSM modes and sub-types in use |
| 11:29.01 | jooles__ | Is it still possible to get the Maemo 4 SDK and/or scratchbox? |
| 11:29.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jooles: should |
| 11:29.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~tabletsdev |
| 11:29.45 | infobot | methinks tabletsdev is http://repository.maemo.org/tabletsdev/, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev |
| 11:30.01 | Macer | speaking of maemo4 i need to flash my n810 |
| 11:30.03 | Macer | heh |
| 11:30.51 | Macer | i found a microsd to minisd adapter! i couldn't believe it |
| 11:30.52 | Macer | it was at the bottom of a drawer |
| 11:31.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe some links point to nokia.com still, then you need to do a bit of handcrufting the destination URL |
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| 11:32.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jooles: if you can't find stuff, come back here and holler |
| 11:33.17 | Jooles | DocScrutinizer05 those links are perfect, thanks |
| 11:33.45 | Jooles | Yeah, converting the old tablets-dev.nokia.com links is what I needed |
| 11:33.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | the auth (where you have to type your IMEI or device serial number) might be 'broken' redirecting you to nokia.com |
| 11:34.03 | Jooles | the links on http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo-4-1-diablo-sdk/ are still the old ones |
| 11:34.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, told you we probably missed several links to edit |
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| 11:35.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | the data on maemo.org/tabletsdev should be complete. Some files might be a little tricky to get hold of though, via URL |
| 11:36.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | (the m.o/tabletsdev content been stage for akamai server farm under tablets-dev.nokia.com) |
| 11:41.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ponders to get a dedicated VM tabletsdev.maemo.org and move the tabletsdev/* stuff from repo to that machine. Thus users should be able to fix complete mess by adding "<IP-of-new-VM> tablets-dev.nokia.com" to their /etc/hosts |
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| 11:42.43 | reenignEesreveR | is it possible to connect gsm module of n900 with asterisk ? |
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| 11:56.00 | Jooles | hmm.. that's a pain. All the scratchbox stuff is i386 only. Any idea where the VMWare image is? |
| 11:56.15 | Jooles | nvm, found it :) |
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| 12:47.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jooles: for your convenience: :-D |
| 12:48.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, tabletsdev is http://tabletsdev.maemo.org, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev |
| 12:48.10 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 12:55.46 | Jooles | Ugh, still can't get hold of the VMware image. The licence agreement page keeps taking me back to tabletsdev.nokia.com and adding ?agree=I accept to the URL isn't helping |
| 12:59.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 12:59.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're sure it still doesn't work? |
| 13:00.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | we juszt fixed a few minor details of the internet at large X-P |
| 13:00.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php works for me |
| 13:00.51 | Jooles | Well the list of files shows up, but if I try and download a file I get a "Corrupted content error" in the browser |
| 13:01.00 | Jooles | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=Readme_Ubuntu_Intrepid_Server_SDK_Virtual_Image.txt |
| 13:01.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm |
| 13:01.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | mometype issue? |
| 13:01.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | it opens in kwrite here |
| 13:02.33 | Jooles | Oh yeah. Elinks opens it fine. It's just firefox |
| 13:02.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed it's garbled HTML |
| 13:03.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess the .txt extension isn't exactly helping for a html page |
| 13:03.14 | Jooles | No, wait. Elinks is in a loop |
| 13:03.29 | Jooles | Download list <--> license agreement |
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| 13:04.22 | Jooles | At least for the text file. The images download ok |
| 13:04.42 | Jooles | er... VMware images, not graphics images. Text mode browser and all :P |
| 13:06.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | cool |
| 13:07.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I btw got thrown back to licence agreement on above link (of course) and it didn't render on konqueror as a html page despite content clearly *is* html |
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| 13:09.29 | Jooles | Seeing as I can't check the text files, I assume the Intrepid image is the Maemo 4 SDK and the Lucid images are Maemo 5? |
| 13:10.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait |
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| 13:11.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://repository.maemo.org/tabletsdev/diablo/maemo-sdk-relnotes_4.1.2.txt |
| 13:16.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, that's about the firmware, not the SDK |
| 13:18.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, no idea right now. I'm a tad distracted right now, so can't check directly on the tabletsdev/* dir to spot the text you asked for |
| 13:19.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jooles: giving URLs of anything you want to access and of the page that holds the defunct link, that would for sure help |
| 13:20.42 | Jooles | No worries. Just unzipped the image and it's in there too. Thanks anyway though |
| 13:21.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | we try to fix stuff, so any report welcome |
| 13:22.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | WLAN: 001D6ED5A544 |
| 13:23.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jooles: pointing your techstaff team to any page that has dangling links or other issues will help a lot, to allow us fixing it |
| 13:23.52 | Jooles | my techstaff team? |
| 13:24.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, we're your techstaff team, the team that keep maemo.org running |
| 13:24.29 | Jooles | Oh, snazzy :) |
| 13:24.57 | Jooles | Basically I'm trying to get a dev environment set up so I can start helping out with the CSSU development |
| 13:25.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | so, for fremantle? |
| 13:25.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | or diablo? |
| 13:25.29 | Jooles | diablo |
| 13:25.33 | Jooles | I've only got an N810 |
| 13:25.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, THAT cssu |
| 13:25.57 | Jooles | Though if I ever get an N900 I've nothing against fremantle :) |
| 13:26.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno if a single devel still is involved in diablo cssu |
| 13:26.39 | Jooles | :( |
| 13:27.00 | Jooles | I assume there's a good reason why fremantle won't work on the 810 |
| 13:27.14 | Jooles | Or is it just that no one has made it work yet? |
| 13:27.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Diablo_Community_Project |
| 13:27.48 | Jooles | Yeah, I've seen that page |
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| 13:28.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | fremantle using more cpu grunt and more other hw resurces, and the whole layout around booting differs significantly (diablo used initrd, fremantle doesn't) |
| 13:29.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | *might* still be possible to backport fremantle to N810, but for sure it's a lot of work |
| 13:29.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | stskeeps should be THE guy to ask about the implications in such effort |
| 13:30.04 | vi__ | Jooles: get an n900. They are at the bottom of the price curve right now. |
| 13:30.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 13:31.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | a N900 with broken cmt (which almost equals a N810 then) should be available for significantly < 100 bucks |
| 13:31.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | used working ones in good condition are ~150 |
| 13:32.46 | vi__ | Much less than that doc. |
| 13:33.03 | vi__ | More like 70-90euro in the UK. |
| 13:33.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, Jooles, I invited warfare to join here, despite his busy job, to have a look at dangling links and broken pages in tabletsdev first hand. If you could and want to help on that issue, please do right away. Warfare doesn't have the time to follow chat on #maemo that is "OT" from his perspective |
| 13:34.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: great job! incredible! many thanks! |
| 13:34.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) \o/ |
| 13:35.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah I know it been again just me pestering you to do it ;-) |
| 13:35.35 | ShadowJK | N810 GPU is kinda more or less "very hard" to bend into usable state for fremantle type opengl es |
| 13:37.19 | Jooles | Hardware limitation or lack of good drivers? |
| 13:37.24 | ShadowJK | It starts with the original issue that N810 SoC isn't capable of 800x480 output :) |
| 13:37.47 | Jooles | That... seems like a poor decision with an 800x480 screen |
| 13:38.22 | vi__ | rofl, no shit. |
| 13:39.01 | warfare | DocScrutinizer05: :) |
| 13:39.36 | ShadowJK | It was more or less all top of the line stuff when designed :) |
| 13:40.17 | Jooles | is surrounded on all sides by annoying hardware :P |
| 13:40.27 | ShadowJK | and cpu overclocked to 400 MHz :) |
| 13:40.28 | ShadowJK | in stock config |
| 13:41.52 | ShadowJK | N800 came with the same SoC/cpu running at 333 MHz, but the kernel didn't become stable with overclock to 400 until after N810 came out |
| 13:42.36 | ShadowJK | (and software update boosted N800 to 400 too) |
| 13:44.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | N810 also had a SSU OC |
| 13:44.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | initially ran at 333 or sth |
| 13:46.39 | Jooles | The thing is, it's still a nice tablet. Just feels a bit... held back |
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| 13:55.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jooles: can you share any URLs that need checking, on tabletsdev and related? |
| 13:56.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise we'll stop on that task for now, and nobody knows when we have the opportubity to look into it again |
| 13:56.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-S |
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| 13:57.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | then not |
| 13:57.01 | jooles | Someone said my name? |
| 13:57.27 | jooles | Oh, there it is |
| 13:57.44 | jooles | DocScrutinizer05, sure. Just fighting with a Verifone device at the moment |
| 13:57.47 | jooles | is at work |
| 13:57.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah |
| 13:58.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | please highlight warfare on any findings you have to report |
| 13:58.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | he's the guy who made all this awesome new stuff happen some 60 min ago |
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| 13:59.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, "new" |
| 13:59.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ afk |
| 14:00.18 | jooles | will do |
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| 14:50.19 | jooles | N900s might be cheap at the moment, but they're still too much money for me anytime soon. Will have to continue trying to breath new life into the N810 |
| 14:52.48 | ShadowJK | a big ram in microsd formfactor would do wonders |
| 14:53.12 | jooles | I have an 8GB Micro SD in the slot |
| 14:54.52 | jooles | Might have to get some tiny torx keys to take a look inside at some point |
| 15:03.04 | ShadowJK | I do mean RAM, not flash :) |
| 15:03.15 | ShadowJK | if such a device would exist |
| 15:03.53 | jooles | my bad. And I doubt it. Though I guess it's not impossible |
| 15:04.13 | ShadowJK | I find many modern websites consume all the RAM on the N800/N810 all on their own |
| 15:04.28 | ShadowJK | swap on a microsd-ram should help somewhat :) |
| 15:06.19 | ShadowJK | On that note, A-data super highspeed microsdhc (or was it ultafast) did wonders for my N800 when I put swap on that card |
| 15:06.55 | ShadowJK | (the card was advertised as having "high" IOPS) |
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| 15:10.24 | b-r-a-i-n | hi guys |
| 15:10.51 | b-r-a-i-n | can some1 post his hildon-application-manager.list ? |
| 15:12.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/3fba86f3a6 |
| 15:13.42 | b-r-a-i-n | thanks. and please /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list |
| 15:14.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | deb http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/ fremantle free non-free |
| 15:14.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ |
| 15:14.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0 ./ |
| 15:14.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle-1.3 free non-free |
| 15:26.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | I however might wonder if you maybe are looking for /usr/share/hildon-application-manager/catalogues/* or even sth completely different instead of that list |
| 15:29.01 | vi__ | ShadowJK: what is the latest word on high iop cards |
| 15:29.03 | vi__ | ? |
| 15:29.08 | vi__ | you were testing a bunch. |
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| 15:31.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | thinks b-r-a-i-n was rather interested in /etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues |
| 15:31.25 | b-r-a-i-n | no. i just trying to clean up configs. |
| 15:31.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | *shrug* |
| 15:32.13 | b-r-a-i-n | updating through apt-get |
| 15:32.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | go edit them via HAM |
| 15:32.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | and watch your edits in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list getting overwritten, afaik |
| 15:34.45 | b-r-a-i-n | long time not been on maemo.org.. whats up with migration? |
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| 15:41.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | finished, and left us with a huge POS that's broken on every second thing you look at |
| 15:49.07 | b-r-a-i-n | thats mean community development also nearly dead.sad |
| 15:54.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't know why you say that |
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| 15:59.09 | b-r-a-i-n | nearly dead ~= dead.. at least for now |
| 15:59.56 | ShadowJK | vi__; samsung pro microsdhc, sandisk extreme pro, a-data ultra high speed |
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| 16:23.37 | freemangordon | vi__: wait, what? you miss incomming calls on n900? what did you do to the poor lady man :( |
| 16:38.38 | raid__ | n900 tar doesn't work for bz2? |
| 16:38.52 | raid__ | the -j option isn't supported |
| 16:39.07 | raid__ | apt-get install tar wants to remove 300+ other programs |
| 16:39.35 | r00t^home | is the author or 'multiboot' around so i can punch him in the face for his useless error messages? |
| 16:41.57 | thedead1440 | raid__: that's probably because its part of busybox or binutils which are dependencies of the mp-fremantle package hence leading to other packages being removed too |
| 16:42.28 | raid__ | i'm sure |
| 16:43.05 | thedead1440 | you may want to do an apt-get install -d tar; extract the tar file and replace it directly however afaik the system tar does work with bz2 |
| 16:43.12 | thedead1440 | are you using CSSU? |
| 16:43.32 | raid__ | no |
| 16:44.10 | thedead1440 | oh then i'm not too sure; stock firmware probably may have that issue. |
| 16:44.17 | r00t^home | <raid__> the -j option isn't supported |
| 16:44.18 | raid__ | tar: invalid option -- j |
| 16:44.23 | raid__ | BusyBox v1.10.2 |
| 16:44.23 | r00t^home | you can always bzcat | tar x |
| 16:44.35 | r00t^home | no need for tar to support it directly |
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| 16:46.36 | r00t^home | all tar does if 'j' ('z') is specified, is fork off bzip2 -c/-d (or gzip) and pipe the data through it |
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| 16:47.42 | raid__ | my virtual keyboard isn't working, now |
| 16:47.55 | raid__ | can't insert pipe character... |
| 16:48.40 | freemangordon | raid__: blue arrow->sym |
| 16:49.03 | raid__ | i found virtual keyboard was turned off, but i just turned it on and still no good |
| 16:49.45 | raid__ | rebooting |
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| 16:51.54 | raid__ | it was probably the bash install |
| 16:53.18 | raid__ | r00t^home: thanks, it worked |
| 16:56.58 | r00t^home | incredible |
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| 17:16.34 | ecc3g | gnu tar is getting too many options for each compressor, whatever happened to "do one, do well" ... (then again the original tar supported compress...) |
| 17:18.55 | Wizzup | Is there an easy / sane way to use alarmd? (that is, set some commands with bash) |
| 17:19.22 | Wizzup | raid__: you can install gnu-tar iirc |
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| 17:28.48 | raid__ | Wizzup: not without removing core packages, but i just used bzcat |
| 17:29.00 | raid__ | has anyone got git working? |
| 17:29.22 | raid__ | the one in the repos seems to not support HTTPS urls |
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| 17:34.55 | raid__ | apparently there is another git in the repos called git-core |
| 17:35.20 | raid__ | that one fails by 'fatal: HTTP request failed' |
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| 17:36.22 | raid__ | hold on it's probably my command |
| 17:36.35 | raid__ | no |
| 17:37.18 | raid__ | you've got to be kidding me |
| 17:39.11 | raid__ | i hate to say it, but i think i might have to retire my phone in a few paychecks |
| 17:39.55 | raid__ | it just doesn't work like it used to |
| 17:45.21 | raid__ | idk, maybe i can fix it |
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| 17:50.39 | Apic | Does NitDroid support GPS? |
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| 17:52.56 | raid__ | finally got a fully working google authenticator for the n900 |
| 17:53.10 | raid__ | it runs in the cli |
| 17:53.34 | raid__ | but it requires icedtea6 java |
| 17:54.05 | raid__ | i would have eliminated that dependency but i couldn't get help with git |
| 17:54.31 | raid__ | i'll post this in the forums |
| 17:57.41 | ecc3g | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1343944 ? python mostly? |
| 17:58.28 | ecc3g | hmm...even more options linked there. |
| 17:58.29 | raid__ | those don't seem to work for all sites, and they're a bit complicated and buggy |
| 17:59.52 | ecc3g | why does it need java? googleism? |
| 18:00.17 | dr1fter | original language of the code i copied |
| 18:00.32 | dr1fter | i had some c source, but needed git to clone it |
| 18:01.42 | dr1fter | google code seems to require git to download source, and the n900 doesn't seem to support git |
| 18:02.01 | dr1fter | at least not anymore |
| 18:02.54 | dr1fter | ecc3g: ^ |
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| 18:10.46 | dr1fter | how do you submit a package to the repository when its source code is java without any makefiles |
| 18:11.16 | dr1fter | if someone will assist me with that, i'll upload this to the repos |
| 18:12.07 | dr1fter | i went through the upload instructions on the wiki a long time ago, but i still have some questions |
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| 18:13.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup: (alarmd) yes, use alarmed(SIC!) |
| 18:13.43 | dr1fter | i have other projects i should probably upload as well once i get the hang of it |
| 18:13.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | or alarmclient if you're loving pain |
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| 18:16.13 | Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: just found it @ alarmed, ty |
| 18:16.24 | Wizzup | interesting enough, the package manager didn't want to install it |
| 18:16.27 | Wizzup | but apt-get worked fine |
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| 18:19.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | alarmed didn't install in HAM? any details? |
| 18:19.53 | Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: missing pyside packages |
| 18:19.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 18:20.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | strange |
| 18:20.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe somebody with a clue can have a look into this? |
| 18:20.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | are our repos hosted wrt pyside? |
| 18:21.46 | Wizzup | I'll recheck my sources |
| 18:26.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | hosed* even |
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| 22:16.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | you apply for, in your garage account |
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| 22:19.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just downloaded and installed into suse vmm the ubuntu lucid desktop vm |
| 22:19.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems pretty up to date, according to the readme files |
| 22:20.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemosdk_desktop_lucid-36-2.vmdk |
| 22:21.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z |
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| 22:31.24 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: can't download it :( |
| 22:31.44 | jon_y | error about duplicate http headers |
| 22:35.01 | xes | joga: try this: http://tabletsdev.maemo.org/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z |
| 22:35.14 | xes | ^jon_y |
| 22:51.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: I dunno, I downloaded them via kget |
| 22:52.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually you should go http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php and "accept" |
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| 22:53.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | then download will work, I guess |
| 22:53.40 | pavi | My N900 doesnt recognise the USB . It recognises it when booting up aka it goes to a boot loop when there is a USB connected. |
| 22:53.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | you should see a page with links and "save destination to" |
| 22:53.58 | pavi | My friend who opened the N900 says the hardware is intact |
| 22:54.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | pavi: err what? |
| 22:54.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | please elaborate, your description is a tad... cloudy |
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| 22:55.59 | pavi | DocScrutinizer05: yeah I mean I dont get any dmesg from the PC . But N900 when connected with USB gives a message something about porte connected |
| 22:56.56 | pavi | DocScrutinizer05: while booting N900 if I connect the USB to a power socket / PC it goes into a boot loop . I see the dark Nokia logo and yellow blinking .. later reboots |
| 22:57.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait, you connect N900 to a linux box and there's nuttin showing up in a tail -f /var/log/messages ? |
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| 22:58.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | not even when N900 been powered down? |
| 22:59.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suspect your USB is absolutely ok but you messed up your rootfs/system |
| 22:59.29 | pavi | DocScrutinizer05: let me give you what N900's dmesg says one momentt |
| 22:59.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | N900's dmesg? I think you can't even boot it? |
| 23:00.10 | pavi | DocScrutinizer05: I used a battery charger |
| 23:00.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | please try again to explain what works and what doesn't |
| 23:00.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm completely puzzled |
| 23:03.29 | pavi | whenever I connect USB .. on N900 dmesg I am getting the output tw14030_usb tw14030_usb: HW_CONDITIONS 0xd0/208; link2 |
| 23:04.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, ok. normal |
| 23:04.02 | pavi | Thats it , I am not getting the USB connecting dialogue or charging or even anything in PC's dmesg |
| 23:04.33 | pavi | Also before that I get slide GPIO is now closed and later open |
| 23:04.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | do you have a linux PC? |
| 23:04.48 | pavi | yeah |
| 23:04.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | slide is your kbd |
| 23:04.56 | pavi | thats how I run dmesg |
| 23:05.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | you closed and opened it |
| 23:06.01 | pavi | I am getting 0x50 / 80 when I removed the cable and 0xd0 /208 when I insert back the USB |
| 23:06.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | please on linux PC, as root, do >># less "+F" /var/log/messages |
| 23:07.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | then plug in the powered-down N900 and watch what you get, |
| 23:08.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | (of course without the >>#) |
| 23:08.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | less "+F" /var/log/messages |
| 23:09.33 | pavi | there is no /var/log/messages I am using syslog instead |
| 23:10.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | on some distros it's /var/log/syslog |
| 23:11.57 | pavi | DocScrutinizer05: sadly nothing is happening .. its playing all by itself going into reboot looop . As far as linux machine is concerned , it doesnt recognise it . |
| 23:14.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | what do you mean by "doesn't recognise it" ? |
| 23:15.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | did you do a # less +F /var/log/syslog ? |
| 23:15.04 | pavi | DocScrutinizer05: I mean no response in syslog or dmesg |
| 23:15.12 | pavi | DocScrutinizer05: yes I did it |
| 23:15.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | and there wasn't anything like |
| 23:15.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | May 31 01:11:10 saturn kernel: [4833819.274022] usb 2-1.8: new high-speed USB device number 73 using ehci_hcd |
| 23:15.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | May 31 01:11:11 saturn kernel: [4833819.446348] usb 2-1.8: New USB device found, idVendor=0421, idProduct=0105 |
| 23:15.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | May 31 01:11:11 saturn kernel: [4833819.446353] usb 2-1.8: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=5 |
| 23:15.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | May 31 01:11:11 saturn kernel: [4833819.446356] usb 2-1.8: Product: Nokia N900 (Update mode) |
| 23:15.34 | pavi | Nothing not even a blink |
| 23:15.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you plugged in the *powered-down* N900? |
| 23:15.54 | pavi | Yeah completely powered down 900 |
| 23:16.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | then your USB is defect |
| 23:16.04 | pavi | should I remove battery and try ? |
| 23:16.51 | pavi | Ahh but it never starts when I connect the USB to power source or PC . |
| 23:16.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can remove battery, plug in N900 to PC and then insert battery |
| 23:18.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | err wait, your N900 doesn't wake up and show any sign of life (LED or whatever) when powered down and plugged into PC? |
| 23:19.53 | pavi | By "sign of life" I mean the orange / light yellow light wakes up .. a dark nokia icon comesand 3 white dots come and waits .. it goes back to reboot with a vibration . |
| 23:20.23 | pavi | it does that every time when I connect a powered down N900 to power source/ PC |
| 23:20.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | then at least your VBUS and GND lines on USB are OK |
| 23:21.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | if data lines are also OK, then you MUST see that "Product: Nokia N900 (Update mode)" in PC's syslog |
| 23:21.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | immediately after plugging in |
| 23:22.16 | pavi | DocScrutinizer05: to fix the GSM issue of " telephony functions " my friend opened the device and we lost USB. He rechecked the hardware and says its intact |
| 23:22.34 | pavi | Maybe as you said some data lines might have been broken in process |
| 23:22.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, you lost USB? |
| 23:23.08 | pavi | I mean by "lost" not being able to detect |
| 23:23.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, so your freind destroyed the USB when opening the device? |
| 23:24.20 | pavi | DocScrutinizer05: the issue came up after that but I dont blame him , my phone was anyway useless with the telephony functions issue . |
| 23:24.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm what did you do to fix that modem issue? |
| 23:25.29 | pavi | He had attached some springs to the shipset to help the chip fit tightly |
| 23:26.03 | pavi | Anyways I cant even check the issue proprely because I have to borrow batter charger from friend |
| 23:27.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | he might have damaged about anything, so it's pretty hard to tell what's your root problem. Anyway every N900 will announce "kernel: [4833819.446348] usb 2-1.8: New USB device found, idVendor=0421, idProduct=0105" in syslog/dmesg |
| 23:28.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | if yours doesn't when plugged in to linux PC when powered down, then your USB hw is defect |
| 23:28.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | or your cable is defect, or your PC |
| 23:28.27 | pavi | DocScrutinizer05: any idea on how to fix it ? |
| 23:29.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas not since, as mentioned, your friend might have damaged arbitrary components on board during that modem fixing |
| 23:29.28 | pavi | ohh |
| 23:29.43 | pavi | So practically its dead :( |
| 23:29.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | removing the lids from the cans is pretty difficult and you easily can damage components during prying them open |
| 23:30.01 | pavi | Wish there is some modern phone like N900 |
| 23:30.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry for you and your N900 |
| 23:32.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | odds are you (or your friend) could fix it, once you find the defect |
| 23:32.23 | pavi | Me cant do anything .. I stay in koblenz and he stays in berlin |
| 23:32.31 | pavi | so its liek next trip |
| 23:32.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's not that many components that could cause such error pattern |
| 23:33.05 | pavi | Is there a hardware manual to read and understand the problem ? |
| 23:33.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, both too far from my hometown to give you a short visit |
| 23:33.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, there are the schematics |
| 23:33.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | not much else you could read to find the root cause of the problem |
| 23:34.55 | pavi | ohh ok . Where do you stay ? |
| 23:35.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's a rather small number of components between USB and the 1707 chip which is the USB transceiver |
| 23:35.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | N |
| 23:36.20 | pavi | ohh ok |
| 23:36.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | if however the 1707 itself got damaged, there's probably not much you could do |
| 23:37.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | the reboot loop when plugged to USB seems to indicate that it's actually the 1707 PHY that's causing system panics when trying to access USB |
| 23:37.55 | pavi | ok |
| 23:41.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | It's not easy to diagnose state of 1707 |
| 23:41.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | but you could have a look at the chip |
| 23:42.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it looks ok, then it's worth checking the other components between that chip and USB (electrically between, see schematics) |
| 23:52.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | pavi: I just checked. Even a perfectly working N900 shuts down after a few seconds and a few yellow flashes when connected to a charger that has the datalines not shorted |
| 23:53.01 | pavi | DocScrutinizer05: thats good news |
| 23:53.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | so your probelm doesn't necessarily indicate that 1707 is defect |
| 23:53.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | it could be any breakage of datalines, even in the USB cable |
| 23:54.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I learned sth new today \o/ |
| 23:55.37 | pavi | DocScrutinizer05: its not USB cable . I have tried with other cables |
| 23:55.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | so, cehck your cable, check your USB receptacle in N900 with a magnifying glass, if there's maybe some debris in there so gold latches don't give comtact |
| 23:55.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 23:56.02 | pavi | ohh yeah sure . |
| 23:56.58 | ds3 | anyone used the XpressMusic batteries on the N900? |
| 23:58.04 | ecc3g | I'm using my 5230 (nuron) battery on my N900... XpressMusic is the 5800? They all use the BL5J battery... |
| 23:58.18 | ecc3g | and death to non gold-plated, non wide contact microusb plugs... |