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| 07:00.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | MrPingu: I'll place those files to some location where you could wget them in raw format |
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| 09:15.46 | vi__ | freemangordon: ping |
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| 09:20.36 | freemangordon | vi__: pong |
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| 09:22.20 | vi__ | hey |
| 09:22.33 | vi__ | what is the incantation for backing swap? |
| 09:23.39 | freemangordon | rephrase please |
| 09:24.50 | freemangordon | vi__: BTW try the new libgstdsp.so, to check if it solves your problems with mafw and running dots |
| 09:25.02 | vi__ | running dots? |
| 09:25.09 | freemangordon | in media player |
| 09:25.13 | vi__ | you mean the 45degrees slanty video? |
| 09:25.17 | freemangordon | naah |
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| 09:25.30 | freemangordon | this is some problem in cutetube |
| 09:25.43 | vi__ | right. |
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| 09:25.52 | freemangordon | I meant when you try to ope a video, it gets stuck on dots in media player |
| 09:26.05 | freemangordon | *open |
| 09:26.17 | vi__ | thumb repo? |
| 09:26.27 | freemangordon | naah, 720p thread |
| 09:26.35 | vi__ | ok |
| 09:26.51 | vi__ | what is the command to insmod ramzswap with backingswap. |
| 09:27.01 | vi__ | The irc log page is crashing my browseR! |
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| 09:28.47 | kerio | i thought ramzswap wasn't worth it |
| 09:29.23 | vi__ | YOU ARNT WORTH IT. |
| 09:31.07 | kerio | i'm not :( |
| 09:31.31 | vi__ | aw, I was only joking. |
| 09:32.06 | vi__ | freemangordon: I see there are 3 deb files and libgstdsp.zip |
| 09:33.00 | jon_y | freemangordon: on cssu-tumb, is there an option to use bootimg instead of flasher? |
| 09:33.27 | vi__ | Is it correct to assume that I need to dpkg -i the debs and extract libgstdsp.zip to the appropriate place? |
| 09:33.34 | freemangordon | vi__: no |
| 09:33.43 | vi__ | Also, this is compiled for kernel-cssu3? |
| 09:33.52 | freemangordon | it is only libgstdsp.zip that is updated |
| 09:33.57 | vi__ | freemangordon: aaah |
| 09:34.03 | freemangordon | vi__: you have 720p codecs, right? |
| 09:34.15 | vi__ | yah |
| 09:34.44 | jon_y | freemangordon: also, cssu-thumb didn't allow flasher to be uninstalled when I have bootimg already |
| 09:34.57 | jon_y | so, request packaging fix :) |
| 09:35.51 | jon_y | I don't need cssu-kernel-flasher wiping my uboot+KP51 on every update |
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| 09:36.13 | jon_y | or maybe there is a dpkg trick I can try? |
| 09:36.22 | freemangordon | vi__: you modprobe ramzswap according to the instructions, nothing special there |
| 09:37.05 | freemangordon | jon_y: you need either kernel-cssu or kernel-power flashers installed |
| 09:37.14 | freemangordon | there is just no option |
| 09:37.23 | freemangordon | and I won;t change that |
| 09:37.35 | jon_y | ok, can it detect the new uboot string? |
| 09:37.58 | jon_y | well, fiasco-update-flasher-ask from pali seemed to be able to check it |
| 09:39.06 | jon_y | or maybe a "I know what I'm doing dammit" mode to avoid trashing uboot |
| 09:39.06 | freemangordon | vi__: modprobe ramzswap memlimit_kb=12000 backing_swap=/dev/your_cool_swap_device |
| 09:40.16 | jon_y | freemangordon: or check that kernel-power-bootimg is installed? |
| 09:40.43 | freemangordon | jon_y: that was discussed already with Pali and the decision was made |
| 09:40.51 | jon_y | ok |
| 09:40.55 | freemangordon | also, I don;t know what your problem s |
| 09:40.58 | freemangordon | *is |
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| 09:41.14 | freemangordon | I have CSSU-thumb and u-boot on my second device |
| 09:41.16 | jon_y | freemangordon: installing cssu wiped out the uboot flash |
| 09:41.27 | freemangordon | jon_y: but of course |
| 09:41.39 | jon_y | need to reflash and install kernel-cssu-bootimg |
| 09:41.54 | freemangordon | did you have KP flasher installed prior to installing cssu-thumb? |
| 09:42.06 | jon_y | kernel-cssu-flasher can't be uninstalled properly |
| 09:42.25 | jon_y | no, I'm using uboot with kp bootimg |
| 09:42.31 | freemangordon | u-boot does not provide needed dependencies |
| 09:42.53 | freemangordon | well, that is why kernel-cssu was flashed |
| 09:43.37 | jon_y | ok, so would removing kernel-cssu-flasher and cssu thumb and then reinstall with kp flasher be enough? |
| 09:43.58 | freemangordon | what are you trying to achieve? |
| 09:44.38 | jon_y | I don't want to be forced to reflash if there is ever a cssu kernel update |
| 09:44.45 | freemangordon | installing u-boot and NOT removing kernel-cssu-flasher should allow you to have u-boot and cssu-thumb |
| 09:45.08 | jon_y | wouldn't it put kernel-cssu-flasher if there is an update to kernel-cssu-flasher? |
| 09:45.14 | freemangordon | jon_y: you won;t be |
| 09:45.33 | jon_y | what do you mean? |
| 09:46.25 | jon_y | will it not flash the cssu kernel again if there was an update to the cssu kernel? |
| 09:46.29 | freemangordon | s/you/it/ |
| 09:47.02 | freemangordon | no, as metapackage depends on either kernel-cssu or kernel-power >= 51r1 |
| 09:47.36 | freemangordon | assuming you have kernel-power-flasher installed |
| 09:47.47 | freemangordon | >= 51r1 |
| 09:48.07 | jon_y | kernel-power or kernel-power-flasher? |
| 09:48.25 | jon_y | I have the former and the bootimg installed |
| 09:48.27 | freemangordon | kernel-power-flasher |
| 09:48.40 | freemangordon | (iirc) |
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| 09:49.21 | jon_y | ok, so no way to prevent a forced cssu kernel flasher update if I am using bootimg with KP51r1? |
| 09:49.22 | freemangordon | jon_y: you shoould have -flasher too |
| 09:49.38 | freemangordon | jon_y: there is, read the backscroll |
| 09:49.52 | jon_y | no, I'm using uboot, kernel-power-flasher is not needed |
| 09:49.56 | freemangordon | don't remove kernel-power-flasher package |
| 09:50.02 | jon_y | only the bootimg and modules |
| 09:50.08 | freemangordon | it is, by cssu-thumb |
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| 09:50.49 | jon_y | pali and you decided to depend on kernel-power-flasher and not kernel-power because? |
| 09:52.03 | freemangordon | jon_y: or you can download http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/develdebs/gcc-4.7.2_fremantle_armel/sb-thumb-errata-provider_0.1-1_armel.deb |
| 09:52.17 | jon_y | what does it do? |
| 09:52.29 | freemangordon | provides needed dependency |
| 09:52.34 | kerio | jon_y: Pali has a rejigged fiasco-image-update that asks for confirmation |
| 09:52.52 | jon_y | kerio: I can press cancel? |
| 09:52.55 | kerio | yep |
| 09:53.00 | jon_y | freemangordon: thanks I'll try that |
| 09:53.03 | kerio | and apt is then convinced you installed the right package |
| 09:53.28 | jon_y | kerio: is that fiasco-image-update-ask? |
| 09:53.54 | kerio | yes |
| 09:54.16 | jon_y | which version? I had 0.1 when I installed cssu-thumb |
| 09:54.22 | jon_y | no way to press cancel |
| 09:54.43 | kerio | huh? |
| 09:54.49 | kerio | as usual, tap on the blurred area |
| 09:54.51 | kerio | :) |
| 09:54.58 | kerio | that's hildon-desktop 101 |
| 09:55.13 | jon_y | only an "Agree" box and "Accept" button |
| 09:55.28 | kerio | yeah, and if you tap on the blurred area it goes away |
| 09:55.37 | jon_y | hmm, ok |
| 09:57.09 | jon_y | also, what is this semi hidden cssu-devel repo I found? :) |
| 09:57.24 | jon_y | cssu-stable, cssu-testing, and cssu-devel |
| 09:57.31 | jon_y | oh and cssu-thumb |
| 09:57.43 | kerio | hidden in plain sight |
| 09:58.42 | jon_y | is cssu-devel like debian sid unstable? |
| 10:00.03 | jon_y | freemangordon: when uninstalling the cssu flasher, it still requires mp-fremantle-community-pr to be uninstalled |
| 10:00.19 | vi__ | jon_y: it is more stable than sid, the crazy kid next door. |
| 10:00.27 | jon_y | after installing sb-thumb-erata-provider |
| 10:00.42 | jon_y | vi__: compared to testing? |
| 10:02.48 | freemangordon | jon_y: well, uninstall -mp thingie then |
| 10:02.58 | freemangordon | you will upgrade by hand |
| 10:03.34 | jon_y | does it still upgrade cssu-thumb releases? |
| 10:03.54 | freemangordon | jon_y: but you won't have the other packages uninstalled because of the missing dependencies |
| 10:04.05 | freemangordon | rephrase |
| 10:04.47 | jon_y | ok, so all the new thumb packages will depend on sb-thumb-errata-provider |
| 10:04.57 | jon_y | but mp-fremantle-community-pr itself depends on the flashers? |
| 10:06.16 | freemangordon | jon_y: every package in thumb (besides -mp) depends on kernel-feature-errata-123456-workaround |
| 10:06.32 | freemangordon | which is normaly provided by the kernel package |
| 10:06.56 | freemangordon | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:07.12 | freemangordon | it is supposed to be used in ScratchBox only, not on the device |
| 10:07.13 | jon_y | I see |
| 10:08.05 | freemangordon | so, when you have it installed on the device, you can remove kernel-*-flashers and -mp, but thumbified packages won;t get uninstalled |
| 10:08.47 | jon_y | I understand, it would up to my responsibility not to boot the wrong kernel |
| 10:09.05 | freemangordon | exactly |
| 10:09.44 | jon_y | I'm fine with that |
| 10:10.26 | jon_y | I just did not like it that mp-fremantle-community-pr forced a kernel flash |
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| 10:12.54 | jon_y | whoa, uninstalling mp-fremantle-community-pr and kernel-cssu-flasher and then reinstalling them did not ask for a reflash |
| 10:13.27 | jon_y | maybe time to fake a version number |
| 10:13.38 | kwtm | How do I retrieve the current GPS coordinates on my N900 using command line? Is there some dbus command that I can use, or some cmd-line utility, or something? |
| 10:14.14 | vi__ | kwtm: Look up liblocation and python. |
| 10:14.26 | kwtm | vi__: Thx, will check. |
| 10:14.28 | vi__ | There is an example script that will return your location. |
| 10:15.13 | freemangordon | jon_y: I supose that is what you were trying to achieve :) |
| 10:15.17 | freemangordon | *suppose |
| 10:15.30 | jon_y | yes, I will fake version 1000 :) |
| 10:15.44 | freemangordon | why? |
| 10:15.50 | freemangordon | don't do that |
| 10:16.21 | freemangordon | noone cares what is the version of sb-thumb-errata-provider |
| 10:16.41 | jon_y | not that, the flasher version |
| 10:16.52 | freemangordon | you don;t need that either |
| 10:17.13 | freemangordon | the only thing you need is some package which has Provides: kernel-feature-errata-123456-workaroun |
| 10:17.56 | jon_y | well, I'm trying to keep mp-fremantle-community-pr, but without kernel-cssu-flasher |
| 10:18.15 | jon_y | so the settings -> about cssu shows some meaningful info |
| 10:19.24 | jon_y | hopefully, I'm explaining myself well enough |
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| 10:21.13 | freemangordon | this is from Depends: of -mp |
| 10:21.15 | freemangordon | kernel-cssu-flasher ( = 1:2.6.28-10cssu3 ) | kernel-power-flasher ( >= 1:2.6.28-10power51r1 ), |
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| 10:22.59 | jon_y | thanks freemangordon |
| 10:25.20 | kwtm | vi__: for python-location and liblocation0, both of which are already installed, I have to say I don't find the example script -- I've even checked through the .deb file manually. Is there a script somewhere on the web that I could browse? |
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| 10:33.21 | vi__ | the script is on the wiki |
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| 11:15.43 | jon_y | freemangordon: looks like I got worked up over nothing |
| 11:15.55 | jon_y | flasher is an empty postinstall package |
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| 11:33.16 | mer_ge | hi. I can't download images from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php anymore. Do you guys know a mirror of the latest emmc/rootfs images? |
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| 11:44.14 | andre__ | mer_ge, why can't you? |
| 11:44.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | mer_ge: maybe maemo.cloud-7.de has something |
| 11:44.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | but indeed, why can't you download from primary source nokia? |
| 11:44.53 | andre__ | mer_ge, I can download from tablets-dev. |
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| 11:47.32 | mer_ge | hm |
| 11:48.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | mer_ge: btw I actually did not provide a 'mirror' of fiasco.bin on maemo.cloud-7 |
| 11:48.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | mer_ge: what's the problem? |
| 11:49.45 | mer_ge | ok sorry, seemed to be a problem on my side. caching, I don't know. works now. thanks |
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| 11:52.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | np |
| 11:56.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | but yes, all Nokia sites are notorious for their nasty braindamaged authentication and other stuff, that often causes complete epic fail of whole page while not exactly giving any indication what's the actual problem, like your browser's cookie policy, js support, cache, whatnot. Many Nokia sites only work with FireFox in default config |
| 11:57.02 | kerio | jon_y: flasher isn't empty |
| 11:57.06 | kerio | it's a script in postinstall |
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| 11:59.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | one nokia site placed a cookie "session expires: 1978-01-01" that never expired itself and never got deleted or replaced automatically, since you were not able to log in again |
| 12:01.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | FF default config would delete such cookie on session end, I.E. when you close and restart FF. If your cookie policy was a different one, you were pretty much screwed unless you know which cookie to delete |
| 12:03.04 | jon_y | kerio: yeah, I said "empty postinstall package" |
| 12:03.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | fuzzy wording |
| 12:03.42 | jon_y | share the cookie! |
| 12:03.50 | jon_y | or use libcurl |
| 12:04.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: I forgot the details, this is like 18 months ago, minimum |
| 12:04.49 | jon_y | I used cookie/post playback to get into the n900 downloads area |
| 12:05.02 | jon_y | I haven't tried recently though |
| 12:05.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | and Nokia completely messed up their login a dozen times meanwhile, so I guess everything changed but not for the better today |
| 12:05.37 | jon_y | time to mirror everything? :) |
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| 12:06.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: on http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php I think they keep a server side table of allowed IPs that exire after 30min |
| 12:06.26 | jon_y | yeah they do |
| 12:06.42 | jon_y | just read the code on the page, and send that post when you want to download anything |
| 12:07.09 | jon_y | btw, is it safe to change the n900 hostname? |
| 12:07.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I actually asked for sth like that, to provide a proper flasher script |
| 12:07.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 12:07.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | I do |
| 12:07.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# hostname |
| 12:07.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900 |
| 12:07.47 | jon_y | ok, will name my n900 after characters from obscure shows |
| 12:07.56 | jon_y | about http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php |
| 12:08.04 | jon_y | just put into google "N900 IMEI" :) |
| 12:08.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 12:08.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll not do that in a shellscript ;-P |
| 12:09.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not short on valid (even fake) IMEI that work for that site |
| 12:09.13 | jon_y | curl -F "submit=IMEI" page |
| 12:09.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm short on a proper way to download from that site in a scripted way |
| 12:09.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh that simple? |
| 12:10.04 | jon_y | yeah |
| 12:10.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | cool |
| 12:10.51 | jon_y | the submit keyword could be "Send", I haven't tested |
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| 12:14.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm too lazy to dig into curl and http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php right now, to find out about it |
| 12:15.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd rather choose an alternative approach, which also would allow me to see how often my flashing script got used |
| 12:15.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-D |
| 12:17.31 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: oh, and http referer also |
| 12:18.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | If Nokia was concerned enough to provide an "API" to script the download, with proper testing of IMEI, I'd be willing to change my flaher-script to implement and use that, otherwise CBA |
| 12:24.34 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: ok, wireshark found the post string |
| 12:24.39 | jon_y | I suck at html |
| 12:25.02 | jon_y | device=<IMEI>&submit=Send |
| 12:26.36 | jon_y | and to get to the downloads page add agree=I accept |
| 12:27.14 | jon_y | so -F "device=1imei1111111111" -F subit=Send -F "agree=I accept" |
| 12:31.19 | jon_y | actually, they started blocking everything |
| 12:31.25 | jon_y | its dead :( |
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| 12:58.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:59.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm just downloading stuff via browser, but the wireshark protocol shows some rather nasty cookie, plus I guess it still uses that serverside table of authenticated IP addr |
| 13:00.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | CBA to mess with this shite |
| 13:00.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are alternative ways to deploy a file |
| 13:01.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | even while they suck, they don't suck as much as this non-API for download |
| 13:02.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~lart the lawyers |
| 13:02.17 | infobot | takes a big bite out of the lawyers's jugular vein |
| 13:02.58 | jon_y | ~lart infobot |
| 13:02.58 | infobot | beats jon_y severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken |
| 13:03.08 | jon_y | ~lart the infobot |
| 13:03.08 | infobot | slaps the infobot upside the head with a wet fish |
| 13:03.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | "no, we mustn't allow download of that stuff without user accepting the EULA! We mustn't allow download by anybody who doesn't own a Nokia device" |
| 13:04.17 | kerio | ~lart herself |
| 13:04.17 | infobot | blames herself for all the evil in the world |
| 13:04.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~attack kerio |
| 13:04.35 | infobot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing kerio |
| 13:04.42 | kerio | hawt |
| 13:05.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | lart my server box for no proper browser installed there, so no way to directly download that shite |
| 13:06.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | so download to $localhist via 2MBit, then upload to server via 256kBit |
| 13:06.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-S |
| 13:06.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq |
| 13:07.42 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: just proxy it |
| 13:07.51 | kerio | openssh can open a dynamic proxy |
| 13:08.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr wut? |
| 13:08.47 | kerio | ssh -D 31337 yourserver |
| 13:08.58 | kerio | and then tell your browser to use localhost:31337 as a SOCKS proxy |
| 13:09.07 | kerio | oh nvm |
| 13:09.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | and how's that proxy gonna help to pick a dir on the server from the firefox "download to...:" requester? |
| 13:09.11 | kerio | i see the problem |
| 13:09.52 | ShadowJK | vncserver |
| 13:10.21 | kerio | ShadowJK: don't be ridiculous |
| 13:10.23 | kerio | w3m |
| 13:10.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | great! upload will take like 4h |
| 13:11.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: vncserver would require any X on that server, no? |
| 13:11.47 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: x forwarding :D |
| 13:11.55 | kerio | (don't do it, it's awful) |
| 13:12.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | FFS there's NO X11 on that box! |
| 13:12.09 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: there's no X server |
| 13:12.22 | kerio | it doesn't mean you can't install x libraries and an x11 program |
| 13:12.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can install whatever I like on that box, BUt I WONT for Nokia download idiocy |
| 13:12.59 | kerio | what about w3m? |
| 13:13.03 | kerio | it's cute :3 |
| 13:13.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~lart Nokia |
| 13:13.34 | infobot | hooks into a hydrant and hoses Nokia down |
| 13:13.51 | kerio | srsly though, w3m is small enough to not be that big of a bother |
| 13:13.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, lart the lawyers |
| 13:14.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | all the rest of Nokia probably innocent regarding this PITA |
| 13:14.34 | kerio | hahahaha, the w3m tarball weighs less than the curl tarball |
| 13:14.43 | kerio | oh libcurl, you so silly |
| 13:15.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | w3m would work via ssh in a shell? |
| 13:15.12 | kerio | w3m is a text-mode browser, yes |
| 13:15.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | might be actually worth a shot |
| 13:15.33 | kerio | kinda like lynx or links, but afaik it's better |
| 13:16.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I doubt that friggin page http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php will work right in such a textmode browser without any "plugin" shite |
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| 13:16.32 | kerio | how can i get my n900's IMEI from the commandline? |
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| 13:16.45 | vi__ | kerio: it is in var somewhere |
| 13:16.56 | kerio | "in var somewhere" |
| 13:17.05 | kerio | so helpful |
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| 13:17.58 | jon_y | kerio: get it off google :) |
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| 13:18.39 | vi__ | kerio: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control |
| 13:18.53 | vi__ | dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.phone.SIM /com/nokia/phone/SIM/security Phone.Sim.Security.get_imei|awk -F "\"" '/g/ {print $2}' |
| 13:18.57 | kerio | vi__: ty, but i just discovered that it's not connected to my wifi network, so i have to wait a bit |
| 13:20.12 | kerio | awesome, found an ime |
| 13:20.12 | kerio | i |
| 13:21.07 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: aww, w3m doesn't work |
| 13:22.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~spank kerio |
| 13:22.31 | infobot | ACTION bends kerio over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on kerio's pasty white buttocks. |
| 13:22.38 | kerio | trying elinks now |
| 13:22.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just finished installing it |
| 13:23.30 | kerio | it's not my fault that your server is slow :P |
| 13:24.03 | vi__ | elinks? |
| 13:24.11 | vi__ | this is no maemo device. |
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| 13:25.24 | kerio | elinks seems to support javascript |
| 13:25.29 | vi__ | LOL |
| 13:25.44 | vi__ | it supports some minor part of a subset of javascript. |
| 13:26.25 | vi__ | I remember spending days trying to get it to compile with javascript suuport on an old HP jornada 680. |
| 13:26.37 | kerio | your mom supports some minor part of a subset of javascript |
| 13:26.53 | vi__ | THat does not even make any sense, |
| 13:27.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: w3m works, download finished in 3 |
| 13:27.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2 |
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| 13:27.44 | kerio | oh, neat |
| 13:27.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | 1 |
| 13:27.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | done |
| 13:27.55 | kerio | ...hrmpf, it only allows one concurrent access from the same IMEI? :S |
| 13:28.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | rate 5.5Mb/s |
| 13:28.16 | kerio | no it doesn't, what the hell |
| 13:28.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | eta 12s |
| 13:28.52 | kerio | vi__: YoMamaScript, ECMA-262-ym |
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| 13:29.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | another 200MB combined downloaded, awesome |
| 13:29.56 | kerio | mirror *all* the fiasco images! _ò/ |
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| 13:30.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, this is so much fun, I actually ponder to download all the localized COMBINED as well |
| 13:30.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | UK |
| 13:31.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | india |
| 13:31.26 | MrPingu | are we mirroring every bit before the end of the maya-calendar? |
| 13:31.43 | MrPingu | s/maya/maemo |
| 13:31.48 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: nobody ever cared about the localized fiasco images ever |
| 13:32.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | MENA |
| 13:32.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | USA |
| 13:32.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | woooooh! rate 10.8MB/s |
| 13:33.05 | kerio | woooooh! |
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| 13:34.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, the rest is real rubbish - nobody cares about "third version of maemo5" anymore |
| 13:36.05 | kerio | i wonder if PR1.0 would work |
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| 13:40.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, please read http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/LICENSE first ;-) You'll have to guess other filenames |
| 13:42.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | if somebody dares to post full URL of any file there, it'll vanish same moment! |
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| 13:43.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | disclaimer: this is for my private use only, you're not supposed to hack this dir |
| 13:43.53 | vi__ | docs own personal stash man. |
| 13:43.58 | vi__ | You know what I mean? |
| 13:44.03 | vi__ | this is the REAL maemo shit. |
| 13:44.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 13:46.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: no secrets in there: |
| 13:46.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-rw-r-- 1 jr jr 13677 9. Nov 2007 LICENSE |
| 13:46.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-rw-r-- 1 jr jr 2086 22. Feb 2011 MD5SUMS |
| 13:46.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-rw-r-- 1 jr jr 262090105 25. Mai 2010 RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin |
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| 13:46.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-rw-r-- 1 jr jr 200174197 25. Okt 2010 RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 13:47.37 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: may I mirror :) |
| 13:47.58 | jon_y | ? |
| 13:48.19 | jon_y | nvm, I got into the nokia page |
| 13:48.33 | jon_y | nokia doesn't like my browser |
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| 13:55.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | inserts battery and closes back cover - hopes to never again need that friggin IMEI |
| 13:56.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | kudos for the Akamai servers' backbone though |
| 13:56.12 | flux | you should write it to IRC so you can always ask someone |
| 13:56.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | flux: hm? what for? |
| 13:57.04 | flux | well, should you need it for some unexpected purpose, of course. |
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| 13:57.13 | flux | I was actually joking, though. |
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| 13:57.32 | jon_y | flux: the imei? |
| 13:57.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I had all them fsckd IMEI on a virtual post-it note on my old laptop, but I CBA to move those to the new one |
| 13:58.10 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: google has some, no worries |
| 13:58.28 | jon_y | I never used my own n900 imei, even on a Nokia site |
| 14:01.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | had a bookmark for that |
| 14:01.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://europe.nokia.com/EUROPE_NOKIA_COM_3/Get_Support/Product_Support/Support_for_Phones/N900/how_to/pics/update_software.jpg |
| 14:02.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | the IMEI was pretty easy to read ;-) |
| 14:02.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | the link seems dead though |
| 14:04.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | ponders writing a shellscript 5 liner to generate random valid IMEI in Nkoia N900 range |
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| 14:05.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | after al the algo to calculate the checksum is well documented |
| 14:05.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | thus I don't undertsand why some chicken are so concerned to not disclose their IMEI |
| 14:06.07 | kerio | "Does anybody here have their n900 overclocked to 1150 ghz without any issues?" |
| 14:06.09 | kerio | oh ffs |
| 14:06.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless somebody likes to bash exactly you by declaring your particular IMEI as stolen and blacklisted, I don't see the problem |
| 14:07.08 | jon_y | yeah, I got an older phone that was blacklisted |
| 14:07.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: got some spare nukes? |
| 14:07.21 | jon_y | cheapo 2nd hand phone |
| 14:07.57 | jon_y | nokia sites won't accept imei for any downloads |
| 14:08.10 | jon_y | well, nokia store |
| 14:08.45 | jon_y | maybe it was stolen, but the shop was legit, so I can't tell |
| 14:09.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | how reasonable - the supposed thief will use a different IMEI then that's not blacklisted |
| 14:10.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like "no I won't tell you my birth date, since my bank is using that as password for my online account" |
| 14:12.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | hell, IMEI is not even linked to owner name |
| 14:13.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | so there's definitely zero security in asking for a valid IMEI - everybody can generate a valid random one in minutes |
| 14:14.03 | jon_y | actually, where I live, the government is kind of draconian, so IMEI == ID |
| 14:14.12 | jon_y | at least when making calls or texting |
| 14:14.22 | jon_y | also, registered sim cards :( |
| 14:14.49 | jon_y | crime involving stolen phones don't seem to go down though |
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| 14:15.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | we got all that too (modulo IMEI since that one is for a freely tradeable piece of hw anyway), but it's moot since nobody cares about stuff. You can get enabled prepaid SIM without showing your ID card any time |
| 14:16.19 | jon_y | nope, you have to register even for a prepaid where I live |
| 14:16.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | here you can get registered ones in second hand shops |
| 14:16.55 | jon_y | hmm, I haven't seen 2nd hand sims |
| 14:17.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you pay a kid 5 bucks for getting a SIM for you |
| 14:17.32 | jon_y | heh, not sure the stores will allow it without all the paper work |
| 14:17.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you buy an unregistered one in supermarket and register online with fake personal data |
| 14:18.13 | jon_y | point is, there aren't any legal ways to get an unregistered sim |
| 14:18.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | here there are |
| 14:18.56 | jon_y | sure, it'll be nice if I could change my sim every few months or so :) |
| 14:18.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | no supermarket cashier will bother about your SIM registration, you're supposed to do that online |
| 14:20.17 | jon_y | well, paperwork is upfront |
| 14:20.29 | jon_y | you wait for registration to process before your card is activated |
| 14:20.53 | jon_y | even for prepaids |
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| 14:21.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, here those work for 2 weeks until they cease to work without your online registration |
| 14:22.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | and nobody will sue you for selling a prepaid SIM to whomever you like |
| 14:22.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | unlike shops you're not obliged to care who buys it |
| 14:24.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | like telecommunication big brother laws it's just to stop the idiots from messing around with anonymous SIM. Nobody really concerned about his privacy has any problem to get anonymous SIM |
| 14:26.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | on any random schoolyard I bet I can get 20 SIM in 10 min, incl PIN, for 20 bucks plus remaining minutes per SIM |
| 14:27.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | IMEI even worse, you can trade phones freely here, no registration at all |
| 14:28.35 | jon_y | I suppose you could do that if you know the shop owners |
| 14:28.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | do what? |
| 14:28.52 | jon_y | trade phones |
| 14:28.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 14:29.03 | RST38h | moos |
| 14:29.09 | RST38h | EHLO ALL |
| 14:29.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi RST38h |
| 14:30.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I may sell my phone next street corner. No issues with that |
| 14:30.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | lend it away and never get it back |
| 14:30.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | sell it to a second hand shop without getting asked for name or anything |
| 14:30.56 | MrPingu | here the same, trade it like it's just a ordinary toy |
| 14:31.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | (given it comes in original package) |
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| 14:31.32 | jon_y | well, skype+wifi gives an equivalent privacy measure |
| 14:31.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ORLY? |
| 14:32.05 | jon_y | it's hard to make phone to phone calls though |
| 14:32.14 | jon_y | wifi at a cafe |
| 14:32.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | there *is no* privacy in telecommunications |
| 14:32.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can crypt your mails |
| 14:32.41 | jon_y | just move to the next cafe the next time you call |
| 14:32.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | but that's about it |
| 14:33.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: for a one time call that might work |
| 14:34.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you call same number twice, you're probably already the only one the authorities can't find out about |
| 14:34.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | so they know it's been both times same guy calling, and they know where from you called |
| 14:34.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | and they know whom else you called - guss how long it will take them to track you down |
| 14:34.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | guess* |
| 14:35.00 | jon_y | no need to use the same skype account twice |
| 14:35.13 | jon_y | keep churning the account mill |
| 14:35.20 | jon_y | or just rotate them |
| 14:35.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, and move on to another internet cafe each time |
| 14:35.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | for each call |
| 14:35.49 | jon_y | right |
| 14:35.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | use a new skype install as well |
| 14:36.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | with new private keys |
| 14:36.20 | MrPingu | Or just meet in your private bunker |
| 14:36.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | and then, I never knew skype allows free (as in beer) outbound calls without credit |
| 14:36.57 | jon_y | well, gman has its limits, they won't actually confiscate and go through your phone for no reason |
| 14:37.00 | jon_y | not yet |
| 14:37.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | they don't need to do that |
| 14:37.34 | MrPingu | jon_y: where do you live? |
| 14:37.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | all they need you give them for free via internet |
| 14:38.01 | jon_y | MrPingu: Southeast asia |
| 14:38.27 | jon_y | yeah, I suppose you can tell from my IP |
| 14:38.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't use a GSM enabled skype wkan device, otherwise they got your identity from correlating GSM handover data to time of skype calls |
| 14:39.31 | jon_y | isn't going over wifi? |
| 14:39.58 | MrPingu | btw, here they are getting crazy though, seen that law that would give acces to authorities to search and destroy data from some particular computer |
| 14:40.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | if the IMEI 12345678 is entering that internet cafe 5 minutes before skype call, then leaving again after call, they already got you |
| 14:40.24 | jon_y | heh, legal cyberwar? |
| 14:40.47 | MrPingu | However, they say that they already are doing it, there was just no legislation |
| 14:41.05 | vi__ | ok, how hard is it going to be to set up an ssh tunnel to route sip through when I am connected vis 3g? |
| 14:41.24 | jon_y | vi__: depends on 3G speed |
| 14:41.32 | jon_y | for various definitions of 4G |
| 14:41.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | technically not hard - QOS though will be abyssmal |
| 14:41.35 | jon_y | *3G |
| 14:41.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | might be |
| 14:41.54 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: why? SSH is low overhead! |
| 14:42.07 | vi__ | also lag. |
| 14:42.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | try it |
| 14:42.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | hard to predict |
| 14:42.31 | vi__ | can you suggest what it is called that I need to go and read about? |
| 14:42.32 | jon_y | I suppose 8Khz bw x 8bit would work with some random lags |
| 14:42.49 | jon_y | or with some vocoder slicing |
| 14:43.10 | vi__ | what must I type into google to find information on 'mapping particular local ports through SSH'. |
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| 14:43.19 | jon_y | man ssh, see -R |
| 14:43.23 | jon_y | and -L |
| 14:43.26 | vi__ | reverese ssh? |
| 14:43.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 14:43.32 | jon_y | yeah |
| 14:43.52 | jon_y | or ssh port forwarding |
| 14:44.14 | vi__ | What would be better, SSH or VPN? |
| 14:44.44 | jon_y | VPN would be better if your lower level protocol handles packet loss |
| 14:44.51 | MrPingu | Does mplayer benefit from dsp? |
| 14:45.03 | jon_y | essentially tcp vs udp packets |
| 14:45.11 | jon_y | ssh is tcp only |
| 14:45.18 | jon_y | vpn may use either |
| 14:45.38 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: deniability is harder than crypto, but both can be achieved |
| 14:45.42 | jon_y | ssh is far easier to setup though, since it doesn't deal with eth level stuff |
| 14:46.25 | vi__ | MrPingu: mplayer is software decoding. |
| 14:46.43 | vi__ | using libavcodec |
| 14:46.46 | vi__ | or something. |
| 14:46.49 | MrPingu | meh, my battery doesn't like that :P |
| 14:47.21 | vi__ | MrPingu: actually for playing MP3 it is comparable to mediaplayer using gstreamer. |
| 14:47.32 | vi__ | Only like 10-15mA more. |
| 14:48.34 | vi__ | MrPingu: there is an experimental build of the newest mplayer, thumb and neon compiled by FMG on merlin1991's server. |
| 14:49.04 | MrPingu | :) |
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| 14:49.21 | vi__ | MrPingu: But it is super secret and still not totally ready. |
| 14:49.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | should I step down from council elections once more (and this time finally), since it seems now that there are 5 candidates, there again will be no proper election? |
| 14:49.41 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: Nah. |
| 14:50.03 | vi__ | Stay in. |
| 14:50.12 | vi__ | Use your position to troll TMO to the MAX. |
| 14:50.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | eeeew |
| 14:50.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | no time for that, even while it could be fun ;-P |
| 14:51.36 | MrPingu | How many candidates are required for election? |
| 14:51.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | and actually I don't feel comfortable with that position, always hoped i'd not stand any voting |
| 14:51.51 | jon_y | is there some kind of electoral college? |
| 14:51.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | 4, or >=6 |
| 14:52.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | a flaw in council election rules |
| 14:52.35 | jon_y | or is it voted by everybody from all over the internet? |
| 14:52.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo membership |
| 14:53.05 | MrPingu | You need to be registered member @MO |
| 14:53.16 | jon_y | that is not tmo right? |
| 14:53.24 | MrPingu | not tmo, indeed |
| 14:53.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Election_process |
| 14:53.53 | jon_y | what, give the common unwashed rabble rights to vote? :) |
| 14:54.49 | MrPingu | IMO, this whole situation is quite confusing |
| 14:55.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:Community_Council rather |
| 14:55.33 | vi__ | infobot: TM0 is trolls, mooses and orangutans |
| 14:55.33 | infobot | vi__: okay |
| 14:55.37 | vi__ | ~TMO |
| 14:55.37 | infobot | i guess tmo is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen. |
| 14:55.39 | vi__ | ~TM0 |
| 14:55.39 | infobot | well, tm0 is trolls, mooses and orangutans |
| 14:55.57 | vi__ | should mooses be meese? |
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| 14:56.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council#Election_Process |
| 14:57.57 | MrPingu | Anybody knows the progress of saving our maemo-ass? (doomsday) |
| 14:58.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq, TM0 is Transmission mode zero iirc, something related to lasers |
| 14:58.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki TM0 |
| 14:58.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 14:59.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | Transverse Mode |
| 15:00.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | TM modes (Transverse Magnetic) no magnetic field in the direction of propagation. |
| 15:01.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | for lasers though it should be TEM0 |
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| 15:08.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: zensorship made easy - in .ru ? \o/ |
| 15:09.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | will those morons just wreck a few DNS servers? or really do great russiian firewall? |
| 15:13.03 | RST38h | Mmm? |
| 15:13.14 | RST38h | Oh, you mean their firewall plans... |
| 15:14.30 | RST38h | Will probably end up the same way as all plans Russian gov makes. With a lot of money pilfered and some show-off "solution" implemented for long enough to demo it to the Emperor |
| 15:14.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | some official denunciation site already got 2000 URL to lock since this day |
| 15:15.23 | RST38h | That is due to a cute legal casus |
| 15:16.21 | RST38h | In Russia, an information source (book, newspaper article, video, URL, etc) can be officially marked "extremist" by ANY court ANYWHERE in Russia |
| 15:17.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | some official drone moron said "well, probably some businesses will use this to tear down their competitors' websites, but so what? we see exploits and exaggerations in real life as well, no?" |
| 15:17.33 | RST38h | So, if some local court in Mordovia finds that your web site about breeding rabbits spreads hatred toward a social group of mordovian bureacrats, who happen to end up looking like rabbits at the end of their careers... |
| 15:18.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems now it doesn't need any court anymore |
| 15:18.12 | RST38h | Then there is a court decision, the URL goes into that registry, etc |
| 15:18.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's a site in internet that already received 2000 URL lock requests since today, aiui |
| 15:18.57 | RST38h | Doc: then they are truly shooting themselves into foot |
| 15:19.09 | RST38h | Doc: and nobody will ever heed that db |
| 15:19.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I missed half of the report in TV news |
| 15:19.35 | RST38h | Ok, nobody will heed that db anyway :) |
| 15:20.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | but since it's been in TV news, it has to be of some relevance |
| 15:20.37 | RST38h | Yeah, but less important than other crap that is going on |
| 15:20.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise german TV redaction wouldn't have picked it for 5 min newsflash |
| 15:21.23 | RST38h | Doc: Foreigners can't always make a distinction between news that are going to have consequences and other news |
| 15:21.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | true that |
| 15:21.50 | RST38h | Doc: Especially in the current situation, where the place is a fucking circus |
| 15:21.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | it just sounds weird enough to us |
| 15:22.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it's in line with common notion about Putin |
| 15:22.41 | RST38h | Doc: StPetersburg local government introduced fines for loud squeaking and sounds made by cats running around at night time |
| 15:22.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | To us here it just looks like Russia is going back to toatiltarism |
| 15:22.53 | RST38h | Doc: Does this sound weird enough for you? |
| 15:23.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | pussy riot senstences sound weird enough here |
| 15:23.58 | RST38h | Doc: How about kidnapping a guy from Ukraine and making him "confess" that he has been planning an armed rebellion in Kaliningrad, paid off by Georgians? |
| 15:24.14 | RST38h | Doc: Smelling any controlled substances already? =) |
| 15:24.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | THAT sounds like we'd expect it to hear tomorrow, yeah |
| 15:26.07 | RST38h | Doc: Sadly, it is not as much about going back to totalitarism, as about mass insanity |
| 15:27.01 | RST38h | Doc: The mechanics of the process are rather well known, but they are offtopic here |
| 15:28.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 15:29.14 | MrPingu | doh, that seanmcken guy on TMO, does he even read shit? |
| 15:29.58 | vi__ | MrPingu: No. |
| 15:30.05 | vi__ | He is a complete retard. |
| 15:30.23 | vi__ | I can only assume he is ~12 years old. |
| 15:30.59 | vi__ | He is up there with zurrain101 |
| 15:31.03 | vi__ | trisha02 |
| 15:31.29 | MrPingu | trisha02, same kind of retard indeed |
| 15:31.37 | vi__ | ... |
| 15:31.44 | vi__ | perhaps they are one and the same? |
| 15:32.51 | MrPingu | or reincarnated? |
| 15:33.06 | vi__ | ... |
| 15:33.08 | MrPingu | wheres abill_uk? |
| 15:33.15 | vi__ | I never met the legendary 'orangebox' |
| 15:33.22 | MrPingu | speaking of trolls |
| 15:33.28 | vi__ | but I hear he was quite the pain. |
| 15:34.08 | MrPingu | orangebox, before your and my time? |
| 15:34.09 | vi__ | abill? FFS, I hope the government has withdrawn his social security money and he has been forced to find work to support his trolling habit. |
| 15:34.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | fun on tmo? |
| 15:34.35 | vi__ | ~tm0 |
| 15:34.35 | infobot | i guess tm0 is trolls, mooses and orangutans |
| 15:34.43 | vi__ | no |
| 15:34.52 | MrPingu | lol :D |
| 15:34.58 | MrPingu | no just speaking of trolls |
| 15:35.02 | vi__ | just reminiscing over classic trolls |
| 15:37.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | trolls on tmo are not exactly new, I just thought there might be a particular worthy trolling thread up to date right now |
| 15:37.02 | RST38h | is the guy "designing" new maemo devices with photoshop stillthere? |
| 15:37.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | since... you know... I'm not following tmo at all, so I need a link pointing me to interesting stuff |
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| 15:38.36 | MrPingu | some guy wanna overclocks his device to 1150 ghz to stream HD vids |
| 15:38.46 | MrPingu | yes, i said ghz |
| 15:38.49 | MrPingu | :P |
| 15:38.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah that stuff |
| 15:39.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly not worth it |
| 15:39.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | the OC fanboy crew never really listened to anything I contributed |
| 15:40.18 | RST38h | Enjoy the new brave world: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/01/android_app_privacy_audit/ |
| 15:40.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | either you're OC fanboy or you don't care. I seen maybe 2 or 3 other users who really ponder pro and con and decide when and why to OC |
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| 15:41.07 | MrPingu | I was such a noob in the beginning :P |
| 15:41.26 | MrPingu | now happily running at 600mhz |
| 15:41.52 | MrPingu | and sometimes 805+dsp OC for 720p recording |
| 15:42.17 | kerio | RST38h: the n900 isn't better, actually |
| 15:42.29 | kerio | if you're running non-opensource programs |
| 15:43.51 | RST38h | kerio: N900 does not spy on its users. |
| 15:44.05 | kerio | RST38h: neither does android, it's the apps that cause problems |
| 15:44.08 | RST38h | with or without open source programs |
| 15:44.37 | RST38h | Well, as a user I do not really care what component of my gadget is spying on me |
| 15:44.57 | vi__ | but you DO care that it is spying right? |
| 15:45.04 | RST38h | yes |
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| 15:45.56 | kerio | RST38h: should i remind you of cherry, with its magical unlogged smsing? |
| 15:47.18 | kerio | and all you need to do is require easy-chroot as a dependency - it's in extras, and adds "user ANY=NOPASSWD: ANY" to sudoers |
| 15:47.30 | kerio | iirc |
| 15:48.10 | vi__ | kerio: IDGAF |
| 15:48.22 | vi__ | My n900 has the ultimate security. |
| 15:48.28 | vi__ | It is in my damn pocket. |
| 15:48.32 | kerio | vi__: so? |
| 15:48.47 | kerio | rapuyama is closed, we don't know wtf it does |
| 15:48.49 | vi__ | Also, dont install stupid shit. |
| 15:48.59 | vi__ | OFC we do. |
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| 15:49.11 | vi__ | It is where the nokia magic happens. |
| 15:50.13 | kerio | vi__: i hope you realize that it'll probably happily give out your GPS position if the network asks nicely |
| 15:50.42 | vi__ | orly. |
| 15:50.45 | kerio | yarly |
| 15:50.49 | kerio | GSM specs |
| 15:50.52 | vi__ | no way. |
| 15:50.55 | kerio | ya way |
| 15:51.16 | kerio | not sure if it requires an emergency call or whatever |
| 15:51.33 | kerio | in all likelyhood, n |
| 15:51.34 | kerio | *no |
| 15:52.19 | vi__ | If you have your device connected to a GSM network, giving out your gps location is probably quite low on your list of things to give a fuck about. |
| 15:52.42 | kerio | if you don't have your device connected to a GSM network, you don't have a working gps :( |
| 15:53.18 | RST38h | kerio: Cherry never harmed me |
| 15:53.24 | RST38h | Could not even send an SMS |
| 15:53.31 | kerio | RST38h: why? |
| 15:53.48 | RST38h | Because I am clever and it is stupid. Any other questions? |
| 15:55.04 | vi__ | kerio: n900 gps is not that bad. |
| 15:55.15 | vi__ | It can work without gsm connection. |
| 15:55.58 | vi__ | Also, n900 setup 101, before inserting sim 'apt-get remove cherry' |
| 15:56.37 | kerio | "the n900 is perfectly safe and doesn't abuse your data, as long as you know the appropriate magic rituals" |
| 15:57.41 | vi__ | kerio: correct. |
| 15:57.53 | vi__ | kerio: where did you get your n900 otterbox? |
| 15:58.00 | RST38h | suspects someone here is unable to properly estimate and compare the scale of the problem |
| 15:58.05 | kerio | i told you, amazon IT |
| 15:58.29 | kerio | and yeah, otterbox's site doesn't talk about it |
| 15:58.40 | kerio | RST38h: cherry is just a simple example |
| 15:58.50 | vi__ | how to say otterbox initalian? |
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| 15:59.00 | kerio | haha |
| 15:59.26 | vi__ | can you paste me a link? |
| 15:59.31 | vi__ | I cannot find it. |
| 15:59.41 | kerio | they don't seem to have it anymore :( |
| 15:59.44 | kerio | i bought it this summer |
| 16:00.02 | vi__ | no one does...:( |
| 16:00.19 | kerio | there's a cheap plastic imitation of a N900 otterbox at http://www.amazon.co.uk/Fosmon-Rubberized-Protective-Nokia-N900-/dp/B004TTP3GO/ |
| 16:00.34 | kerio | also, it's been 3 minutes now and no GPS fix yet |
| 16:00.50 | kerio | wifi on, cell off |
| 16:00.52 | RST38h | kerio: go find other examples then, involving n900. |
| 16:00.54 | kerio | 4 sats |
| 16:00.59 | vi__ | kerio: are you outside with an unobscured view of the sky? |
| 16:01.02 | RST38h | Because for Android, there are thousands. |
| 16:01.31 | kerio | vi__: it's touching the glass of my window |
| 16:01.43 | StyXman | I have a little problem |
| 16:01.54 | StyXman | my n900 refuses to do backups |
| 16:01.58 | vi__ | kerio: That is practically communing with nature. |
| 16:02.14 | StyXman | I have no mSD |
| 16:02.39 | kerio | vi__: cell on, it took *four* seconds to get a fix |
| 16:03.05 | kerio | StyXman: are you using the builtin backup app? |
| 16:03.10 | StyXman | kerio: yes |
| 16:03.15 | kerio | RST38h: i can't rule out there aren't any more |
| 16:03.22 | kerio | because a good part of the n900 is closed |
| 16:03.28 | StyXman | and I remember I played a little with the partitions |
| 16:03.31 | ShadowJK | sets spare N900 to offline mode and starts gps |
| 16:04.04 | ShadowJK | 2 satellites already! |
| 16:04.04 | kerio | including the code that runs on a chip powerful enough to run a low-end phone, with access to the gsm connection and the gps |
| 16:04.25 | kerio | it's much less of a problem, but it's still a problem nonetheless |
| 16:04.28 | vi__ | lol |
| 16:04.37 | ShadowJK | I've noticed that in offline mode (or with agps off), it doesn't use any of the cached data, and does full cold start |
| 16:05.01 | kerio | vi__: that cover looks nasty, btw |
| 16:05.16 | StyXman | I took the 28GiB parittion and made it my home (instead of MyDoc) |
| 16:05.16 | vi__ | I am not buying a knockoff cover. |
| 16:05.20 | vi__ | they fucking suck. |
| 16:05.28 | kerio | StyXman: no MyDocs anymore? ew |
| 16:05.35 | ShadowJK | oh, gps fix :-) |
| 16:05.46 | StyXman | kerio: not exactly, the directory exists |
| 16:05.46 | kerio | doesn't maemo complain? |
| 16:05.54 | kerio | but it's not a separate FS |
| 16:05.55 | kerio | hmm |
| 16:05.58 | StyXman | but it'snot the vfat parition anymore |
| 16:06.15 | vi__ | so you are saying the backup app requires a vfat partition? |
| 16:06.25 | StyXman | it's in the /home/ partition and it's a ext* one |
| 16:06.31 | vi__ | Not impossible, iirc the original camera program needs vfat. |
| 16:06.32 | kerio | the backup app probably does some checking wrt space |
| 16:06.46 | StyXman | vi__: so it seems, I can't take pictures anymore |
| 16:07.02 | StyXman | kerio: I have pleny, 13GiB |
| 16:07.04 | ShadowJK | Or if the maemo world believes that MyDocs/emmc is missing |
| 16:07.14 | ShadowJK | It'd probably work with a uSD |
| 16:07.21 | StyXman | dang |
| 16:07.25 | StyXman | I lost mine :( |
| 16:07.25 | kerio | StyXman: regardless, you should install nikocam (camera-ui2 from cssu) and use backupmenu anyway |
| 16:07.26 | vi__ | StyXman: You have 2 options. |
| 16:07.39 | vi__ | 1. Use replacement camera program form cssu. |
| 16:07.41 | kerio | StyXman: next time, keep a small vfat MyDocs :) |
| 16:07.42 | StyXman | kerio: backupmenu sounds familiar |
| 16:07.48 | kerio | vi__: ninja'd, biatch |
| 16:07.50 | StyXman | kerio: that sucks :( |
| 16:08.06 | kerio | not really, your configuration is incredibly unsafe |
| 16:08.06 | vi__ | 2. Theer was a workaround for using old camera program on non-fat32 |
| 16:08.12 | StyXman | vi__: I do have cssu, which app? |
| 16:08.21 | vi__ | camera-ui2 |
| 16:08.28 | StyXman | vi__: but my problem right now is not the camera |
| 16:08.41 | kerio | uboot expects the first partition to be vfat, usb mass storage mode exports the first partition on the emmc, possibly trying to unmount it |
| 16:08.52 | kerio | StyXman: camera-ui from cssu-testing should work |
| 16:09.32 | kerio | StyXman: maemo expects /dev/mmcblk0p1 to be a vfat partition mounted in /home/user/MyDocs - regardless of what you do |
| 16:09.37 | peetah | Whoohoo ! back on track ! nemo + rescueOS saved my N900 ! |
| 16:09.43 | StyXman | kerio: :( |
| 16:09.45 | kerio | peetah: yay |
| 16:09.55 | kerio | StyXman: fun fact: it's easily fixable with backupmenu |
| 16:09.57 | kerio | which you should use anyway |
| 16:10.03 | StyXman | I can't put mp3's with 'strange'symbols in it |
| 16:10.04 | kerio | and you should've used before installing CSSU anyway |
| 16:10.12 | StyXman | kerio: I'm on it |
| 16:10.26 | kerio | of course you can, vfat stores filenames as UCS-2 iirc |
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| 16:10.49 | kerio | StyXman: the greatness of backupmenu: you can make a backup, reformat everything, restore the backup |
| 16:10.52 | kerio | and everything will be awesoem |
| 16:10.58 | kerio | ah crap, it won't work in your case |
| 16:11.01 | kerio | ololololo |
| 16:11.18 | kerio | StyXman: is /home still the second partition, at least? |
| 16:12.47 | StyXman | kerio: I still have the old partition that used to be /home, if that's what you're asking |
| 16:13.04 | StyXman | why won't it work? |
| 16:13.27 | kerio | StyXman: ok, maybe i don't get it |
| 16:13.32 | StyXman | kerio: simple |
| 16:13.34 | kerio | what's your current partition layout on the emmc, and where are the things mounted? |
| 16:15.09 | StyXman | there's p1 which is 28GiB, p2 with some 2GiB and p3 with 780MiB |
| 16:15.40 | StyXman | mounted as /home, nothing and nothing |
| 16:15.43 | StyXman | respectively |
| 16:15.51 | kerio | well, you dun goofd |
| 16:15.51 | StyXman | s/nothing/not mounted/ |
| 16:16.04 | StyXman | one of those is swap |
| 16:16.19 | kerio | so... ext3, ext3, swap, mounted as /home, nothing and swap |
| 16:16.20 | kerio | got it |
| 16:16.43 | kerio | well, backupmenu will still try to backup /dev/mmcblk0p2 |
| 16:16.59 | StyXman | kerio: how useful :( |
| 16:17.05 | kerio | crazy thing you could do |
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| 16:17.15 | kerio | edit the partition table, make the 28GiB one the second partition |
| 16:17.20 | kerio | the swap partition still the third |
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| 16:17.26 | kerio | and the old home the fourth, i suppose |
| 16:17.40 | StyXman | well, most of the used space if mp3s and maps tiles which I can recover from my NB anyways |
| 16:18.00 | StyXman | and the rest of the data should still fit in the 2GiB partition |
| 16:18.11 | StyXman | so, basically, I can still rollback my change |
| 16:18.31 | kerio | hell, you could make your old /home vfat |
| 16:18.40 | StyXman | kerio: no way :) |
| 16:18.59 | StyXman | vade retro, vfat! |
| 16:19.09 | kerio | srsly bro, maemo expects the MyDocs partition to be vfat |
| 16:19.10 | kerio | D: |
| 16:19.22 | StyXman | srsly, that sucks :( |
| 16:19.32 | kerio | at least "fix" the partition order |
| 16:19.45 | StyXman | and I can't even swap the parts |
| 16:19.45 | kerio | so optfs is the second and swap is the third |
| 16:19.51 | kerio | of course you can :) |
| 16:20.07 | StyXman | kerio: I mean, put the 2GiB in MyDocs as vfat |
| 16:20.14 | kerio | why not? |
| 16:20.48 | StyXman | kerio: the data in MyDocs doesn't fit in 2GiB :) |
| 16:21.06 | kerio | partition 1 starts at 28GiB and ends at 30GiB, partition 2 starts at 0 and ends at 28GiB, partition 3 starts at 30GiB and ends after 768mb of whatevs |
| 16:21.16 | kerio | StyXman: so move it to ExtDocs or something like that |
| 16:21.20 | StyXman | I should take a sabatic yeat and debianize the motherfucker |
| 16:22.12 | StyXman | ... if I had a sabatic year to take, of course |
| 16:22.29 | kerio | restoring the correct numbering is probably the best thing to do, imo |
| 16:22.43 | StyXman | dang |
| 16:22.49 | StyXman | ok, probably tonigh |
| 16:22.56 | kerio | NIN101: what are | and ` in the rescueOS layout? |
| 16:23.20 | kerio | StyXman: hold on, though |
| 16:23.23 | StyXman | I hope this will be worth it, I plan to reflash it till the USB carching works again |
| 16:23.39 | kerio | StyXman: backupmenu won't work anyway |
| 16:23.58 | StyXman | kerio: rsync? I use to do that |
| 16:24.06 | kerio | because it expects to put the backups in a vfat partition, either /dev/mmcblk0p1 or /dev/mmcblk1p1 :) |
| 16:24.19 | StyXman | someone told me it was not good, that I shoould use a backup app |
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| 16:24.24 | kerio | StyXman: if you want a full backup, run rescueOS and tar/untar |
| 16:24.37 | StyXman | ... the rsync should work |
| 16:24.39 | kerio | StyXman: nah, rsync would work fine, except that it won't work properly with the open files |
| 16:25.06 | StyXman | ... so I could go the rescueOS or the usb net way and rsync |
| 16:25.12 | kerio | yep |
| 16:25.16 | StyXman | and or kill apps |
| 16:25.29 | kerio | what kind of backup do you want, anyway? |
| 16:25.33 | StyXman | as long as ssh, rsync and the wifi connection works.... |
| 16:25.41 | StyXman | kerio: the rest of the data |
| 16:25.52 | StyXman | you know, addr book, sms, etc |
| 16:26.07 | StyXman | photos went away with the lost mSD anywaus |
| 16:26.15 | StyXman | but I gotta go |
| 16:26.21 | StyXman | thanks for the input |
| 16:26.30 | kerio | 1) buy a new uSD, 2) backupmenu is just a fancy UI for tar |
| 16:26.59 | kerio | but it only works fine because it's not running anything off the system it's backupping |
| 16:29.18 | vi__ | it turns out SG3 battery is too big for a mugen cover. |
| 16:29.49 | vi__ | Maximum size of battery for mugen cover is 66*44*6 |
| 16:30.06 | vi__ | Which will fit a BP-4l Exactly. |
| 16:30.16 | kerio | vi__: just go the E*_ route, make a new case and shove two 18650s in it |
| 16:30.22 | vi__ | Nokia BP-4L comes in at 1650 mAh. |
| 16:30.33 | vi__ | kerio: That is a great idea. |
| 16:30.43 | kerio | vi__: you mean two bp-4ls? |
| 16:30.46 | vi__ | However I am old enough to know... it will not happen. |
| 16:30.51 | kerio | oh, a bl-5j and a bp-4l? |
| 16:30.55 | vi__ | yeah |
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| 16:30.57 | ShadowJK | The BP-4L I've had have been 1500 new and 1200 after couple months |
| 16:31.17 | vi__ | You can get a mugen bp-4l that comes in at 1800mAh. |
| 16:31.29 | kerio | vi__: can you fit two BL-5J sideways in the mugen cover? |
| 16:31.38 | vi__ | No chance. |
| 16:31.40 | kerio | :( |
| 16:32.00 | vi__ | Even with the bl-5j casing removed you are 5mm to wide. |
| 16:32.06 | kerio | dammit! |
| 16:32.07 | vi__ | Even with the bl-5j casing removed you are 5mm too wide. |
| 16:32.22 | ShadowJK | I'm pretty sure the mugen BP-4L wont be 1800. The mugen bp-5l (also advertised as 1800 or so, iirc) was 1200 :) |
| 16:32.23 | kerio | vi__: why are you looking for an otterbox if you plan on using the mugen backcover? |
| 16:32.44 | vi__ | However an 1800 bp-4l + 1500 bl-5j == 3.3Ah. |
| 16:32.54 | vi__ | I like options! |
| 16:33.06 | vi__ | I already have 1 otterbox. |
| 16:33.09 | vi__ | I want another, |
| 16:33.18 | kerio | the otterbox is the shit, isn't it |
| 16:33.23 | vi__ | for my other n900 that mrs vi_ will probably use. |
| 16:33.30 | vi__ | It certainly is. |
| 16:33.44 | vi__ | It makes the n900 MANSIZE. |
| 16:34.01 | kerio | it also serves as theft protection |
| 16:34.14 | vi__ | When people laugh at the size of my n900 in its OB... |
| 16:34.22 | vi__ | I BEAT THEM THE FUCK TO DEATH WITH IT. |
| 16:34.27 | kerio | because the thief will probably dislocate its shoulder trying to lift it |
| 16:34.30 | kerio | *his |
| 16:34.54 | vi__ | be careful with your OB. |
| 16:35.18 | vi__ | the tiny tiny clips that hold the bottom part on brake easily from frequent removal of the bottom half. |
| 16:36.07 | vi__ | I also want the option of a MASSIVE battery. |
| 16:36.18 | kerio | heh |
| 16:36.57 | vi__ | 18650s is retarded. |
| 16:37.08 | vi__ | It would literally DOUBLE the thickness of the phone. |
| 16:37.50 | vi__ | I bought a zagg invisible shield. |
| 16:38.08 | vi__ | Apparently they will replace it for free, for life when it becomes scratched. |
| 16:38.30 | vi__ | I am fed up paying 9euro for decent screen protectors. |
| 16:38.37 | vi__ | That still scratch. |
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| 16:49.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: ShadowJK: actually testing that virgin (well almost, except thumb) N900 for GPS fix is a pretty good idea |
| 16:50.09 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: do you confirm that rapuyama has access to the GPS? |
| 16:50.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 16:50.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's old news |
| 16:50.49 | ShadowJK | gps is attached to modem |
| 16:50.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 16:51.08 | kerio | when will it use it? |
| 16:51.08 | ShadowJK | and gps stops working on N900s with the broken modem syndrome (crossed out sim icon) |
| 16:51.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably |
| 16:55.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | (<vi__> 2. Theer was a workaround for using old camera program on non-fat32) the probelm been owner of the DCIM dir iirc, since that dir gets created by root but used by camera-ui as user. Another problem been upper/lower case of same dir |
| 16:56.32 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: That sounds about right. |
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| 17:07.58 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: still, screwing with the partition order is bad |
| 17:09.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: so what? |
| 17:11.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq, "couldn't resolve 'maemo.merlin1991.at'" |
| 17:11.40 | merlin1991 | wtf? |
| 17:12.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | "couldn't resolve host 'downloads.maemo.nokia.com'" |
| 17:12.04 | kerio | worksforme |
| 17:12.11 | NIN101 | kerio: don't know it from my head, y = | i think though |
| 17:12.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | WTF? |
| 17:12.25 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: something's up with your dns |
| 17:12.34 | kerio | like, shift+fn+y? |
| 17:12.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously, but what? |
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| 17:13.06 | NIN101 | the blue arrow + y i think. I didn't create this layout, just borrowed it from somewhere |
| 17:13.42 | kerio | no, that's 6 |
| 17:13.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | tzzzz, this friggin phone didn't get a proper DNS server from my router? |
| 17:15.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | dis- and re-connecting helped |
| 17:15.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe now it might also contact supl, for GPS? |
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| 17:19.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | still A-GPS my arse |
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| 17:20.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | correct time and date in sysclock, connection to internet, supl.google.com set. GPS says "seacrhing..." and maps thinks I'm in Berlin |
| 17:21.10 | kerio | what does gpsrecorder say? |
| 17:21.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha, I was about to install anything like that when I noticed HAM not finding any catalogs |
| 17:22.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | couldn't resolve once more, W*T*F??!?!! |
| 17:23.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | does maps fsckup the WLAN? |
| 17:24.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, ham is retarded, it needs manual "update" to notice the catalogs are available now |
| 17:25.13 | kerio | why are you using ham anyway? |
| 17:25.55 | MrPingu | Quite common error, that the catalogs dissappear in HAM doesn't it? |
| 17:27.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: what else should I use??? eh? |
| 17:27.32 | kerio | apt |
| 17:27.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | suuuure |
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| 17:27.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-11-01 17:49:38] <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: ShadowJK: actually testing that virgin (well almost, except thumb) N900 for GPS fix is a pretty good idea |
| 17:28.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | if there was any friggin rootsh I'd for sure use apt instead, and ask where to get liblocation-test-gui from |
| 17:28.48 | ShadowJK | the one that obtained fix in offline mode is cssu thumb |
| 17:28.58 | ShadowJK | sdk-tools :P |
| 17:29.05 | ShadowJK | uses gpsjinni |
| 17:29.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | neither of both available here |
| 17:29.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, gpsjinni is |
| 17:35.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, GPS dafaq. 4 sats with allegedly 100%, no fix in minutes |
| 17:36.33 | kerio | why u mad tho |
| 17:36.40 | kerio | (is this without a SIM?) |
| 17:37.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
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| 17:39.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | restarted GPSjinni indoors: "no sats found", placing it to outside: 4 sats found during 10s, no fix after 3 minutes |
| 17:39.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | sats: 100% 100% 76% 76% |
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| 17:40.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | a FIX, A FIIIIIIIX |
| 17:40.11 | eyaler_ | hello |
| 17:40.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | after only 5 minutes |
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| 17:40.47 | eyaler_ | need some help with FCam.. anybody here can help? |
| 17:41.07 | merlin1991 | ~ask |
| 17:41.07 | infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 17:41.34 | merlin1991 | never mind the on-topic bit ;) |
| 17:42.37 | eyaler_ | ~ask how can i mange to make FCam autoExpose work on a spacific arae histogram? |
| 17:43.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok this was initial fix, it had to notice it's not in Berlin but some 800km off |
| 17:43.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe second time using GPS on a virgin device is way more interesting |
| 17:45.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~botsnack |
| 17:45.18 | infobot | aw, gee, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 17:48.11 | eyaler_ | yes/no... some kind of an answer |
| 17:48.12 | eyaler_ | ?? |
| 17:50.37 | merlin1991 | eyaler_: apparently nobody here atm has an answer :D |
| 17:51.06 | eyaler_ | that is not good for me.. :-( |
| 17:51.18 | eyaler_ | thanks for the answer... |
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| 17:59.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | not many users in here using fcam on a regular basis I guess |
| 18:00.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | eyaler_: you better linger on here for a while, answers may take a while to show up |
| 18:01.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I for one don't even understand the question |
| 18:02.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK and SpeedEvil might know camera specific stuff |
| 18:02.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | unlike me they're not watching IRC 24/7 though |
| 18:03.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | now that I highlighted them, they might show up eventually |
| 18:03.25 | ShadowJK | doesn't know |
| 18:03.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | see? :-D |
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| 18:17.19 | SpeedEvil | eyaler_: |
| 18:17.46 | SpeedEvil | you mean how to modify the auto exposure algorithm on camera. |
| 18:17.49 | SpeedEvil | fcsm |
| 18:17.53 | SpeedEvil | fcam |
| 18:18.54 | SpeedEvil | I'm fairly sure that's fairly low level, and will involve having fcam, if it can't do that |
| 18:23.46 | SpeedEvil | I was outside finding that wet stuff won't burn. |
| 18:24.02 | qwazix | eyaler_, you'd probably have to implement your own autoexpose by deriving from the shot class |
| 18:24.16 | SpeedEvil | hacking fcam |
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| 18:25.32 | qwazix | ehm, sorry... no inheritance needed, you just need to reimplement this http://graphics.stanford.edu/papers/fcam/html/_auto_exposure_8cpp_source.html |
| 18:26.43 | crashanddie | yay, CPP! |
| 18:28.35 | qwazix | Now the trick is that autoexposure doesn't happen in one step, but this shouldn't be a problem in your usecase. You'd just need to compute and provide your own histogram instead of pulling the frame's one. |
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| 18:30.02 | qwazix | And as I can see the constructor of the histogram allows for passing in a region (graphics.stanford.edu/papers/fcam/html/class_f_cam_1_1_histogram.html) |
| 18:31.29 | SpeedEvil | at some point, you may run into bleed issues |
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| 19:30.39 | Sysaxed | anybody willing to report a bug I've found? in "conversations" make a double click (first click on avatar, second click on the message) on the incoming message. This is going to open two windows but the focus is going to stuck on the window below. The only way to close it - press power button->end current task |
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| 19:33.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, or use ctrl-backspace to switch windows |
| 19:33.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | I've seen similar problems with requesters |
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| 19:34.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | in fact you could say it's a bug in hildon-desktop to allow focus on a screen that's not on top |
| 19:34.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | or to allow a screen to be not on top despite having focus |
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| 19:47.06 | Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05, ctrl+backspace is not going to help |
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| 19:56.51 | Sysaxed | date -d 'next Fri' is not working. How can i |
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| 19:57.09 | Sysaxed | can I make it work or is it busybox related? |
| 19:57.25 | Sysaxed | if so, how can I get rid of it? |
| 20:06.50 | Sysaxed | I need a date command that could tell me milliseconds from 1970 for a specific date |
| 20:07.11 | Sysaxed | maybe I should use python for that... |
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| 20:26.58 | fasta | Why is printing considered a 'special feature' on mobile phones/tablets? |
| 20:27.16 | fasta | All desktop software could do it almost 20 years ago. |
| 20:27.23 | fasta | On hardware that's less advanced. |
| 20:27.40 | fasta | And now, suddently doing it on a mobile device is like asking for a miracle to happen? |
| 20:28.27 | fasta | Is there any product which just serves the free market by making something which prints to e.g. a cups server or even directly with ppd files? |
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| 20:40.04 | Sysaxed | fa |
| 20:40.32 | Sysaxed | fasta, you can install easy debian and do it from there |
| 20:45.34 | freemangordon | fasta: you can install cups |
| 20:45.37 | freemangordon | in mameo |
| 20:45.40 | freemangordon | *maemo |
| 21:02.20 | user | how to sync the filesystem? |
| 21:03.04 | SpeedEvil | sync |
| 21:03.38 | vi___ | GODDAMN LINUX WITH ITS ARCANE WIERDLY NAMED COMMANDS. |
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| 21:07.02 | merlin1991 | vi___: :P |
| 21:11.43 | Skry | :D |
| 21:11.49 | Sysaxed | vi__, what's wrong? :3 |
| 21:13.38 | kerio | he clearly mad |
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| 21:43.20 | eyaler_ | Yes.. i thought about working with the AutoExpose, but i wonder , maybe somebody have done it before... |
| 21:44.38 | eyaler_ | i tried to pass the "right" histogram to the AutoExpose, but it became more complicated then i expected |
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| 23:12.24 | entitled | pfff |
| 23:13.11 | entitled | seems like wannsee-electronic, german vendor on ebay is selling counterfeit polarcell batteries |
| 23:13.34 | entitled | mine died after few weeks |
| 23:14.05 | entitled | didn't deliver the promised mA |
| 23:14.24 | entitled | and seems like explained all the erratic behaviour with my n900 |
| 23:14.51 | SpeedEvil | :-) |
| 23:14.55 | SpeedEvil | :-( |
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| 23:17.05 | entitled | 99.9% positive feedback, but every negative or neutral the vendor has is about the polarcell ones they are selling |
| 23:22.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | just like the negative comments about that IL seller selling HK origin "new original package" N900. Each negative comment is "fake device. Refurbished. Not new. Used device. Cheater" |
| 23:25.30 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: do you think http://www.akku-king.net/akkuking-akku-li-polymer-fuer-nokia-5800-xpressmusic-n900-x6-ersetzt-bl-5j/handyzubehoer-original/akku-akkuking/nokia/a-20104273/ is legit? |
| 23:26.09 | Lava_Croft | oh its nice how they state the battery works in 8, 16 and 32gb devices |
| 23:26.18 | Lava_Croft | wipes forehead |
| 23:26.35 | kerio | why is the N900 grouped with the C3-00? :s |
| 23:26.48 | Lava_Croft | maybe both use BL-5J |
| 23:27.09 | Lava_Croft | http://hyfeno.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Nokia-C3-Battery.jpg |
| 23:27.11 | Lava_Croft | yup |
| 23:27.12 | Lava_Croft | :) |
| 23:27.25 | Lava_Croft | thats a legit bl-5j |
| 23:27.56 | kerio | all those phones use a bl-5j |
| 23:29.18 | ShadowJK | can get genuine Nokia BL-5J 1430mAh for less |
| 23:30.03 | ShadowJK | oh i lie, 13.95 |
| 23:32.05 | kerio | ShadowJK: the polarcell should be bigger |
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| 23:35.55 | entitled | should've been more careful, was naive to think that german vendor wouldn't sell counterfeit crap. |
| 23:37.25 | SpeedEvil | well, have you contacted them? |
| 23:39.00 | entitled | nope |
| 23:39.26 | entitled | left an follow-up feedback |
| 23:39.56 | SpeedEvil | contact them, ask for replacement, or refund |
| 23:40.03 | entitled | most of their feedback is in deutsch |
| 23:40.07 | SpeedEvil | only then leave feedback |
| 23:40.10 | SpeedEvil | so? |
| 23:40.52 | entitled | they've answered few feedbacks and judging from them, their stance seems to be that they are a-ok. |
| 23:41.07 | entitled | the batteries I mean. Functioning as intended. |
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| 23:42.15 | SpeedEvil | small claims court |
| 23:42.19 | entitled | Anyone know what lies beneath genuine polarcell sticker? |
| 23:42.44 | SpeedEvil | contact polar ell |
| 23:42.45 | entitled | found two lines of alphanumeric code under mine |
| 23:43.17 | entitled | ye I thought about that |
| 23:43.34 | entitled | maybe they sue their ass if they are really counterfeits |
| 23:44.12 | entitled | more luck in court with german vendor than a chinese one, kill one and three more sprout. |
| 23:46.57 | Lava_Croft | http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/703574main_MSL%20self-portrait%20pia16239%2020121101_full.jpg |
| 23:47.00 | Lava_Croft | Aint she pretty |
| 23:47.17 | ShadowJK | Did they figure out what the shiny things on the ground were |
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| 23:47.37 | ShadowJK | how was that pic taken :o |
| 23:47.42 | Lava_Croft | selfportrait |
| 23:48.01 | ShadowJK | how :o |
| 23:48.06 | Lava_Croft | MAHLI |
| 23:48.17 | Lava_Croft | http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/msl/multimedia/pia16239.html |
| 23:49.18 | ShadowJK | I was expecting to see the arm which holds the camera |
| 23:49.23 | Lava_Croft | :) |
| 23:49.29 | SpeedEvil | fat girl angle |
| 23:49.39 | Lava_Croft | missing a horizontal peace sign |
| 23:49.44 | Lava_Croft | with the hand |
| 23:50.00 | Lava_Croft | prettiest microwave on wheels ever |
| 23:50.18 | Lava_Croft | its wheels are already pretty worn |
| 23:50.23 | Lava_Croft | all the dents |
| 23:50.50 | Lava_Croft | i really love this hires pics |
| 23:54.59 | entitled | hmm, dr_frost_dk lists the same vendor as a source for his battery that he measured for 1400mA |
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| 23:56.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: ((legit?)) sounds not that reassuring. Since a) BL-5J never been a LiPo but a LiIon. and b) they claim it's the strongest (highest capacity) battery available for those devices, which is evidently incorrect even when looking only at Nokia genuine batteries |
| 23:57.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, b) already mentioned by ShadowJK |
