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01:25.23DocScrutinizer05[GENERAL NOTICE] if you're using CSSU-T, do NOT use "update all" in HAM, you need to first install/update the opername widget, only *then* go update the rest. Read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1264963#post1264963 ff
01:26.11DocScrutinizer05s/if/when/
01:26.36DocScrutinizer05err, nm
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01:59.07LaoLang_coolis there a way to run contacts and locate to a specify contact from cli?
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02:06.46DocScrutinizer05yes
02:07.02DocScrutinizer05ooh, *run* contacts
02:07.03LaoLang_coolDocScrutinizer05, could you point me the way please?
02:07.35LaoLang_coolI want to invoke the application of contacts, and locate to a contact
02:07.49DocScrutinizer05well, if I understood what you said, I suggest you look at desktop shortcuts
02:09.04LaoLang_coolDocScrutinizer05, I want to do it in cli, desktop shortcuts needs to be created before use
02:09.54DocScrutinizer05I siad "look at"
02:10.28DocScrutinizer05if they are some sort of .desktop file, they probably have some commandline in them
02:10.51LaoLang_coolDocScrutinizer05, oh! DocScrutinizer05 thank you, will look at it
02:11.00DocScrutinizer05sorry I got no better hints
02:11.23LaoLang_coolDocScrutinizer05, it's a smart way to start :)
02:12.40LaoLang_cooloh, I'm not clear which dir they are in?
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02:14.38LaoLang_coolThey aren't at /usr/share/applications/hildon-home/ :(
02:14.53Skryuse find
02:15.26LaoLang_coolSkry, I don't know the file's name :(
02:15.38LaoLang_coolsay a contact of "Foo Bar"
02:15.49LaoLang_coolwhat the file name of it?
02:17.21Skrydont know about that but if you want to find your .desktop files: find / -name "*.desktop"
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02:24.54DocScrutinizer05another idea: dbus-monitor while you click on such a contact-shortcut. I'd be surprised if dbus wasn't involved in invoking contacts app on a particular contact
02:25.29DocScrutinizer05you want to monitor session bus for that, not system bus
02:27.30SkryDocScrutinizer05: dont know if you're interested but found out the cause and fix for the cpufreq/sr issue we talked about
02:27.30DocScrutinizer05of course there's also documentation about all that, I recall a djungle of objects, called roaster and whatnot else
02:27.41DocScrutinizer05sure
02:27.43LaoLang_cooloh, too complicated to me :(
02:28.21LaoLang_coolwill use find
02:29.47SkryDocScrutinizer05: yeah, problem is oscillator frequency used in N900 combined with the fact that frequency rounding was removed from cpufreq at some point so N900 freqs dont match the ones in OPP table
02:30.41Skryso cpufreq sets frequency, fails but sets voltages nevertheless, and we have a lockup
02:31.59DocScrutinizer05weird
02:32.13LaoLang_coolok...
02:32.37LaoLang_coolI don't think I have found a .desktop file relative to the shortcuts on desktop :(
02:32.50LaoLang_coolby find / -name "*.desktop"
02:33.31LaoLang_coolmaybe the shortcut on desktop is a special case
02:33.51DocScrutinizer05I think they are widgets handled by hildon-desktop itself
02:34.42LaoLang_coolmaybe...
02:36.45DocScrutinizer05you could check which files in your home dir were modified exactly the time you created the desktop contact shortcut
02:38.06DocScrutinizer05and you could use ~# dbus-monitor --session
02:38.35DocScrutinizer05or search wiki (phonecontrol) and see if something already is mentioned there
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02:58.49LaoLang_coolDocScrutinizer05, thank you for advice, will do it when have time
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07:09.25LaoLang_coolHow to usb networking? I'm following the instruction on maemo wiki http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking, don't know how to install usb-otg-plugin, apt-get install can't find it
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07:27.26kerioSkry: is it fixable?
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07:41.41LaoLang_coolHello. How to usb networking? I'm following the instruction on maemo wiki http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking, don't know how to install usb-otg-plugin, apt-get install can't find it
07:42.55keriohttp://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking
07:43.01keriothose instructions are for the N8x0
07:43.45LaoLang_coolkerio, thank you, will read it
07:44.01kerioanyway, there's really not much to it, if you just want to make the n900 and the computer communicate
07:44.07keriomake sure g_nokia is loaded, ifup usb0
07:44.21kerioand then configure the network on the pc side
07:44.26kerioif you're on windows, HAH
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07:45.29LaoLang_coolyes, on the windows :)
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08:14.08LaoLang_coolkerio, I have installed MADDE and edited the files of pcsuite-*.sh
08:14.19LaoLang_coolhow to load g_nokia and ifup usb0 ?
08:14.30keriog_nokia is loaded whenever you enter pc suite mode on the n900
08:14.47kerio(you don't have to *be* in pc-suite mode, just that it should be the last mode you entered)
08:14.52LaoLang_coolI have connected n900 via pc suite mode, but nothing happened...
08:14.52keriolsmod | grep g_
08:15.04kerioit's going to be either g_nokia or g_file_storage
08:15.15kerio(or g_ether, i think)
08:15.27LaoLang_coolkerio, yes, it has been loaded
08:15.38LaoLang_coolg_nokia    30376  6
08:15.40keriothen find a way to kick windows into shape
08:15.45kerionot sure if there's one
08:15.57keriothe n900 should appear as a network card on your computer's side
08:16.00LaoLang_coolkerio, what do you mean "kick windows into shape"?
08:16.07kerioinstall drivers or something
08:16.08kerioidk
08:16.20keriofollow the wiki
08:16.25keriofrom the n900's side, sudo ifup usb0
08:16.46LaoLang_coolI have installed MADDE and usb networking driver
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08:17.53LaoLang_coolmaybe I need a reboot? I will try
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08:20.02LaoLang_coolI dont understand "This will only work if you got MADDE installed and configured for "Windows network"
08:20.07LaoLang_coolHow to configure?
08:20.47LaoLang_coolI just installed MADDE
08:20.48LaoLang_coolNo gui configure tools...
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08:32.14LaoLang_coolok, after restart windows, still no luck...
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08:37.42LaoLang_coolI haven't done this step I think: got MADDE installed and configured for "Windows network"
08:37.56LaoLang_coolI have got MADDE installed, but I don't know how to conifgure it
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10:55.02Palihi, it is possible to get reason why/who stopping init.d/event.d script?
10:55.34PaliI'd like to add option, if script is stopped by reboot/shutdown command or by user
10:56.27Palior I'd like to handle SIGINT/SIGTERM command and decide what to do if system is in shutdown/reboot state...
10:56.35PaliDocScrutinizer05, see ^^^
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11:06.00Pali/sbin/runlevel is shell script which print only "N 2"
11:06.21Paliso it is unusable on upstart systems (like maemo)
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11:18.35keriohm, what's the stuff in /etc/event.replace.d?
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11:48.05*** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ -- N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet
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11:48.21kerioit used to
11:48.36keriothen i disabled it, because everyone says that it's useless and/or instable
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11:48.54kerioakls: yep
11:48.58freemangordonkerio: now, who is that "everyone"?
11:49.08kerio"sudo gainroot" is always doable, but it checks for rd-mode
11:49.26kerioonce you have a root shell, i'd manually add your own sudoers file
11:49.31kerioand then disable rd-mode
11:49.52keriofreemangordon: every sentient being in the universe
11:50.04kerioor maybe someone on the wiki
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11:51.40DocScrutinizer05kerio: please stop trolling akl
11:51.44Skryfreemangordon: I have it enabled in "my" kernel so if user wants to use it he can enable it via sysfs, however, when engineers from both TI and Nokia say it is unstable and broken on 3430, it is unstable. Besides, I dont see any logic of using two separate methods to scale voltages at the same time.
11:51.49DocScrutinizer05akls even
11:51.51kerioDocScrutinizer05: no, seriously, it works
11:52.14keriocheck /usr/sbin/gainroot and /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo
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11:52.42DocScrutinizer05kerio: how would you enable r&d flag?
11:52.46keriothe flasher?
11:52.57DocScrutinizer05on device???
11:53.03keriofrom a computer
11:53.10DocScrutinizer05yeah :-/
11:53.16kerioso?
11:53.30DocScrutinizer05everybody got rootsh installed
11:53.33kerionot me
11:53.43kerioit's the reason i won't install qtmobilehotspot
11:53.48kerioit depends on that POS
11:54.02kerioi really hope it doesn't pipe commands to it
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11:55.12DocScrutinizer05akls: you might want to sanitize rootsh by enabling proper password query for commands "root" and "sudo gainroot". See
11:55.15DocScrutinizer05~jrtools
11:55.15infobotmethinks jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
11:56.46DocScrutinizer05kerio: I hope you checked qtmobilehotspot and gave it proper rating in testing so it never makes it into maemo-extras
11:57.02keriohmm... no i did not
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11:57.51kerioplenty of packages depend on rootsh
11:58.13DocScrutinizer05then plenty of packages deserve demoting
11:58.25kerioincluding stuff like "optimizen900", "clean900", "nitroid-installer"
11:58.28keriolols
11:58.44DocScrutinizer05pukes
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11:59.08DocScrutinizer05lrn2sudo, fools!!!
11:59.40keriohow do i vote down?
12:00.02DocScrutinizer05I'm tempted to roll a new version of rootsh that does things proper, incl asking for password, and then watch all that crap go down epically
12:00.23DocScrutinizer05once stuff is in extras, you can't
12:00.24vi_chinese li-ion charger==USB 5V charger with 0.8v Zener across the output.
12:00.34DocScrutinizer05stuff in testing has rating buttons
12:00.40kerioqtmobilehotspot is in extras-testing and extras-devel
12:00.53freemangordonSkry: well, we have at least 2 proves that what YI and Noika say is not alwasy true - USB hostmode and thumb2
12:01.00vi_Relying on USB port maximum current to control current.
12:01.02DocScrutinizer05vi_: /o\
12:01.26kerioDocScrutinizer05: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/qtmobilehotspot/0.3.5/
12:01.28keriovote down plskthx
12:01.42DocScrutinizer05kerio: then go to extras-testing, add comment explaining why you give it thumbs-down
12:01.43freemangordonSkry: what is the other method to control voltages?
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12:02.13Skryfreemangordon: cpufreq does both
12:02.19DocScrutinizer05kerio: I first need to check it before voting it down
12:02.33kerioDocScrutinizer05: Depends: [...] rootsh [...]
12:02.39DocScrutinizer05where?
12:02.41freemangordonSkry: aah, I see. But SR does a totally different thing
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12:03.10kerioDocScrutinizer05: in that page
12:03.13kerioqtmobilehotspot 0.3.5
12:03.18DocScrutinizer05o.O
12:03.22kerio>Promotion unlocked, waiting for maintainer to promote
12:03.24keriooh hell naw
12:03.28vi_I am late to the party, what is the argument?
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12:03.37keriovi_: packages that depend on rootsh
12:03.41vi_Also, SR and is stable and thumb rules.
12:04.03vi_In addition to this, rootsh works fine.  Deal with it.
12:04.18kerioDocScrutinizer05: qradio depends on rootsh too, and that's in extras
12:04.33freemangordonvi_: just a note: SR is stable with KP ;)
12:04.35keriovi_: rootsh is a massive kludge
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12:05.40vi_freemangordon: Thats what I meant!
12:05.45vi_kerio: IDGAF.
12:05.59vi_Maemo5==A MASSIVE KLUDGE.
12:06.04Skryfreemangordon: yeah, I know that, k hilman just convinced me that when cpufreq does the voltage scaling itself, benefits from SR would be minimal -> not worth the instability. Anyways, you were saying that problems with SR are caused by the same reason I had trouble with cpufreq?
12:06.24aklsguys, I've just bought my phone
12:06.30aklsand wireless is not working out of the box
12:06.40kerioakls: it should
12:06.48kerioakls: anyway, have you installed the latest PR from nokia yet?
12:06.51aklsI simply can't see any networks. My friend bought a phone with me - everything is fine on his phone
12:06.53kerioPR1.3
12:06.56aklskerio, yes.
12:07.00vi_akls: Is that supposed to be a question or an allusion to disgruntlement?
12:07.12keriovi_: oh shush
12:07.31kerioakls: which region is your n900 from?
12:08.10DocScrutinizer05friggin testing pages always make me want to click "send" again, after 60s of waiting
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12:08.30vi_akls: Re-flash to stock pr1.3 firmware to eliminate the possibillity of software and try again.  If it still does not work, take it back.
12:08.32kerioakls: tried rebooting already?
12:08.35aklskerio, how could I know, bought it from ebay
12:08.46aklskerio, of course!
12:09.00kerioakls: have you done a full reflash?
12:09.12aklskerio, what's a "FULL" reflash?
12:09.26kerioflashed both VANILLA and COMBINED with flasher-3.5
12:09.27DocScrutinizer05any supertester around to vote down http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/qtmobilehotspot/0.3.5/ ?
12:09.33DocScrutinizer05SpeedEvil: ^^^?
12:11.56kerioDocScrutinizer05: how did rootsh end up in extras anyway?
12:12.08kerioit has all the signs of a bad, bad, bad package
12:12.09DocScrutinizer05that's historical
12:12.29DocScrutinizer05see who did it, and when
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12:13.02kerioMaintainers: Faheem Pervez, Pali Rohár
12:13.04kerioPali: oh you
12:13.12DocScrutinizer05tbh there's worse crap around: sudser etc
12:13.32Paliyes, I promoted new patched version to extras
12:13.41DocScrutinizer05kerio: pali kinda fixed worst borkage of it
12:13.47DocScrutinizer05iirc
12:13.47Paliin extras was old version which has broken postrm
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12:15.39keriohm
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12:16.45DocScrutinizer05kerio: Pali: damage done by Faheem Pervez. All we can do now is roll a better-rootsh that also secures HAM via hildon-su and thus allows to really kinda get some little bit of sanity & security back on fremantle
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12:17.30DocScrutinizer05hell, it can even conflict with rootsh (original)
12:17.39Palino
12:17.44DocScrutinizer05no?
12:17.46Palioriginal rootsh is not packages
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12:17.48Pali*packaged
12:17.50Pali:D
12:17.57DocScrutinizer05errr
12:18.06Palioriginal rootsh is only in FIASCO rootfs image
12:18.19DocScrutinizer05you mean it's not a proper package with uninstall etc?
12:18.25Palipreinst script moving existing rootsh to new location
12:18.28DocScrutinizer05meh
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12:18.34Paliand postrm moving old roosh back
12:18.39DocScrutinizer05I mean the rootsh from repo
12:18.51kerioDocScrutinizer05: you mean gainroot?
12:18.52Palithis doing extras rootsh package
12:19.04DocScrutinizer05the package called rootsh
12:19.26Palirootsh is package which provide gainroot
12:19.28DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/rootsh/1.8/
12:19.44kerionot really, gainroot is provided by sudo
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12:21.17DocScrutinizer05I'd really appreciate some help on creating a clean way to secure HAM, preferrably in a generic way by using some hildon-su
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12:21.38kerioDocScrutinizer05: are we allowed to modify HAM?
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12:21.56DocScrutinizer05why not
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12:22.11DocScrutinizer05cssu already did it, hell - pali did it
12:22.38kerioDocScrutinizer05: we need a better sudo
12:23.54DocScrutinizer05I want a fremantle system with proper root password, and no way to install shit like rootsh that neuters it
12:23.55kerioDocScrutinizer05: better sudo with askpass support (and maybe sudoers.d support so we don't need update-sudoers)
12:23.55DocScrutinizer05I'm all for getting better (newer) sudo, that relieves us from pita of update-sudoers abomination
12:24.04kerioand then make HAM call sudo -A appropriate-graphical-password-asking-program apt-worker whatevs
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12:24.27DocScrutinizer05:nod:
12:24.37kerioso proficient users can remove the passwordless sudo on apt-worker, and then it'll just ask for the password
12:24.40DocScrutinizer05Pali: you're still with us? :-)
12:25.00RST38hMoo,Doc
12:25.04RST38hAh, fun, fun
12:25.06DocScrutinizer05moo RST38h
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12:25.29kerioDocScrutinizer05: actually it can be done without modifying HAM
12:25.29keriowe do need a password-asking binary though
12:25.44DocScrutinizer05call that hildon-su
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12:26.02kerioDocScrutinizer05: no, just a password asking
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12:27.14RST38hpassword asking, email sending binary
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12:27.36kerioDocScrutinizer05: in fact, with a good sudo that knows about the graphical askpass we don't need *any* modifications to HAM apart from the removal of NOPASSWD
12:28.04RST38hwhat can be better than that?
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12:28.34DocScrutinizer05kerio: we discussed all this some days ago. There's zenity for now, and we concluded we'd need some modifications to HAM (to include -a, no hildon-su parameter needed since that can get passed by ENV), and we need sudo that supports -a
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12:28.57keriocan zenity ask for a password?
12:29.05DocScrutinizer05yes
12:29.11keriobrilliant
12:29.24DocScrutinizer05even hides input
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12:30.14DocScrutinizer05zenity --help-entry
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12:30.48kerioit's trivial to make a zenity-askpass that does what sudo expects, yes
12:30.55DocScrutinizer05zenity --entry --hide-text --text="please enter root password"
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12:31.40Hurriankerio, ham alternative that directly uses apt?
12:31.45DocScrutinizer05what sudo *would* expect - if sudo wasn't prehistoric crap
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12:32.47DocScrutinizer05but you already remarked a few days ago that this method would ask for root password on each new interactive operation user does on HAM
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12:33.06kerioDocScrutinizer05: nope
12:33.13keriowe exploit sudo's timeout
12:33.21DocScrutinizer05and it still needs HAM to use "sudo -a apt-worker" instead of "sudo apt-worker"
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12:33.37DocScrutinizer05kerio:  ok, feasible
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12:34.00kerioDocScrutinizer05: modern sudos automatically call askpass if they're not on a tty
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12:34.12DocScrutinizer05OOOH!
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12:34.15DocScrutinizer05:-)
12:34.30kerioand you can specify askpass in sudoers
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12:34.34DocScrutinizer05yep
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12:34.44kerioit's just an envvar
12:34.46DocScrutinizer05sorry I confused that with ENV
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12:35.44DocScrutinizer05so who's going to provide sudo update for cssu?
12:35.50keriocssu
12:35.52kerioeasy
12:36.25DocScrutinizer05meh, cssu is a project. it doesn't magically breed new packages
12:36.39keriook, the last person to say "not me" on irc
12:36.40kerionot me
12:36.41DocScrutinizer05we need somebody willing to create and maintain new sudo
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12:38.23DocScrutinizer05we also need further review of that concept. I'm not that self-confident to claim I already figured each possible security flaw it might hide
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12:39.18DocScrutinizer05kerio: you already mentioned things like direct invocation of sudo apt-worker when I pondered to run HAM under root permissions, with hildon-su wrapper
12:39.41kerioDocScrutinizer05: well, it would be the same
12:39.55kerioso at worst we have the same security
12:40.12DocScrutinizer05we need proper review of our concept, by a few other sensible devels
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12:40.52DocScrutinizer05kerio: I'm not going to mess with all that shit to end with "same security as before", you know ;-)
12:41.19kerioDocScrutinizer05: well, the security will increase if the user removes NOPASSWD
12:41.28DocScrutinizer05the purpose of this effort is to improve security
12:41.41kerioyeah but there's not even the *concept* of a user password in fremantle
12:41.46kerioby default
12:41.53DocScrutinizer05root password
12:42.05kerioyeah but there's not even the *concept* of a password in fremantle
12:42.18DocScrutinizer05in hildon, right
12:42.26DocScrutinizer05in fremantle, sure there is
12:42.40kerioDocScrutinizer05: not as presented to the user
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12:42.57DocScrutinizer05sure, see ssh root@n900
12:43.20kerioWARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED!
12:43.21keriolol wat
12:43.30kerio(ssh root@localhost)
12:43.52DocScrutinizer05kerio: rogue boy!
12:43.57keriowtf happened
12:43.59keriono, seriously
12:44.07DocScrutinizer05you reflashed?
12:44.38kerioi never reflash only the root
12:45.24DocScrutinizer05well, for sume reason root's publickey doesn't match user's list of known_hosts anymore
12:45.47kerioit's not root's publickey, it's sshd's keypair
12:45.49DocScrutinizer05either of both has changed
12:46.14DocScrutinizer05fool, sshd has no own key pair
12:46.15keriosecond weird thing: this is the first time i ssh localhost
12:46.19kerioi'm kinda sure of this
12:46.36kerioDocScrutinizer05: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key[.pub]
12:46.40DocScrutinizer05it's the publickey of root's ssh keypair
12:46.46keriothose are keys, and they're two
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12:46.59DocScrutinizer05wtf??
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12:47.15keriotoday on #maemo: DocScrutinizer learns about sshd
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12:47.28DocScrutinizer05meh
12:47.39DocScrutinizer05goes getting a coffee
12:47.46keriothere's not even a /root/.ssh/
12:47.54DocScrutinizer05ooh?
12:48.10kerioi don't have it, i never ran ssh as root \_o_/
12:48.17DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# ls -l ~root/.ssh/
12:48.19DocScrutinizer05insgesamt 8
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12:48.20DocScrutinizer05-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1115 2007-11-15 21:07 authorized_keys
12:48.21DocScrutinizer05-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2136 2012-04-22 12:50 known_hosts
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12:48.39keriosure, but that's unrelated to what sshd does
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12:49.12DocScrutinizer05sure, that's why the folder is named .ssh
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12:49.22keriossh*d*
12:49.35DocScrutinizer05pff
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12:49.56DocScrutinizer05guess where sshd will look for authorized_keys when I log in a s root
12:50.30kerioguess how related *that* is to the identification of the server by ssh
12:50.51keriossh's identification goes both ways
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12:53.58DocScrutinizer05shit
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12:54.09DocScrutinizer05guess where sshd will look for authorized_keys when I log in a s root
12:54.13DocScrutinizer05you're right that's not the host authentication key
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12:58.56DocScrutinizer05yeah, kicked me out
12:59.14DocScrutinizer05kerio: still alive?
12:59.23kerionope :(
12:59.26kerioa sniper killed me
12:59.29DocScrutinizer05hehe
12:59.32kerionow i inhabit my laptop
12:59.50DocScrutinizer05sends hypersnyper
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13:00.10kerioanyway, yeah, you were wrong :3
13:00.31DocScrutinizer05yeah, publicly admitting you were right about auth key
13:00.55kerio~kerio
13:00.56infobotyou are probably <DocScrutinizer> [...] kerio is correct [...]
13:01.19keriothe power of ellipses!
13:02.07DocScrutinizer05you however were wrong about ~/.ssh being unrelated to sshd
13:02.31keriowell of course, authorized_keys is to login with a keypair
13:02.41DocScrutinizer05since ~/.ssh/authorized_keys evidently is used by sshd
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13:03.47DocScrutinizer05now for something completely new and different: hildon-su and contemporary proper sudo binary
13:04.46DocScrutinizer05for sudo binary I bet any increase in size will be ballanced by reduced size of /etc/sudoers messed up file
13:04.49keriohildon-askpass
13:04.57DocScrutinizer05crap
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13:05.41DocScrutinizer05I already told you (and you noticed it) that hildon-askpass has no option to switch it to only one password textbox
13:06.03DocScrutinizer05shall I scan the chanlog?
13:06.15keriono, that's maemo-ask-password or something
13:06.22DocScrutinizer05ooh
13:07.17DocScrutinizer05for hysterical raisins that class of programs is named <desktop>-su, or <desktop>su: KDEsu
13:07.22keriok
13:07.47keriocan't we just get gksu compiled for maem?
13:07.50kerio*maemo
13:08.14kerioi still don't get which toolkit we're supposed to use on the n900
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13:09.50Skryi'd like to know that too
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13:10.45DocScrutinizer05obviously on fremantle we're free to use gtk or qt or qtm
13:11.12Skryyeah but which is the recommended one
13:11.18DocScrutinizer05with each of them supported by a number of toolkits, like pyqt
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13:11.44DocScrutinizer05recommended? seems qt is most preferred one, generally
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13:15.05DocScrutinizer05Pali: would you see any chance you throw "new" sudo into maemo make machine?
13:15.26Palisorry, no time for other project
13:15.31DocScrutinizer05k
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13:17.32DocScrutinizer05idly wonders if it will work to simply scp user@oldbox/scratchbox /
13:17.46DocScrutinizer05rather, if scratchbox will work on new machine
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13:23.29dhbikerhm
13:23.36dhbikerjust updated my n900
13:23.46dhbikerand now it doesnt want connect to internet
13:23.48dhbiker:/
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13:27.22dhbikersays No connections availible
13:31.29keriodhbiker: reboot?
13:31.42dhbikeralready did
13:32.21DocScrutinizer05updated from ? to ?
13:33.15dhbikercssu testing to 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo5.1
13:33.53DocScrutinizer05dhbiker: you observerd [general notice]?
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13:35.21DocScrutinizer05dhbiker: your "settings -> about_CSSU" shows 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo5.1?
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13:37.07dhbikeri did so
13:37.12dhbikeropername widget
13:37.14dhbikerthen cssu
13:37.19dhbikerand yes
13:39.07vi_so, after dis-assembling this chinese USB charger I have found the 5V output is wired backwards.
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13:39.33keriovi_: lol
13:39.36vi_Yes, wired backwards.
13:39.40Skry:D
13:40.06vi_What 'engineer' comes up with this shit?
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13:40.21dhbikerDocScrutinizer05: so this means restore the backupmenu backup ? -.-
13:40.27keriothe PRC didn't get this far by double-checking the connectors
13:40.31vi_How can they look their wives in the face and say, 'yes, I had a good day today honey'.
13:40.39keriodhbiker: not really
13:41.00kerioi have no idea how to diagnose an ICD2 problem
13:41.14dhbikerprobably the easiest wa
13:41.15dhbikery
13:41.19DocScrutinizer05dhbiker: I don't see why your system has problems
13:41.47DocScrutinizer05anyway restoring BM backup and restarting all over again seems a sane idea
13:42.00dhbikerk
13:42.10dhbikercopying the backup to phone
13:42.46DocScrutinizer05dhbiker: you know this should be done in BM as well?
13:42.52vi_I just threw out a rattly 18650 cell.
13:42.53dhbikeroh ?
13:42.57vi_Yes, rattly.
13:43.11vi_They had put a tiny battery in an 18650 size tube.
13:43.24DocScrutinizer05LOL
13:43.36DocScrutinizer05seen similar crap every now and then
13:44.04DocScrutinizer05very popular: use AAA NiMH cell in a A case
13:44.17keriovi_: that's hilarious
13:44.22dhbikerlolol
13:44.58vi_I knew these batteries were utter shit as soon as I saw the '3800mAH' written on the side.
13:45.01vi_But this?
13:45.30vi_My brain cannot handle bullshit of this magnitude.
13:45.36ShadowJKlol
13:46.07ShadowJKthey used to wrap it in paper to avoid rattling
13:46.18kerioDocScrutinizer05: backupmenu only charges with .5A, right?
13:46.23vi_There is an economic depression on you knw.
13:46.30vi_Cannot waste good paper these days.
13:46.31DocScrutinizer05kerio: probably
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13:46.52kerioyeah, otherwise there would be no way to use usb MSM and stuff like that
13:47.21ShadowJKvi_; some people would argue anyone buying a "3800 mAh" 18650 deserves to have it blow off their hand
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13:47.54DocScrutinizer05vi_: your brain refuses to acknowledge they pulled a fast one on you
13:47.59keriobuys an AAA in a 18650 case marked as "very original fusion power infinite battery"
13:48.04vi_I did not specifically buy it, it came with some random tat I bought from China.
13:48.06kerioI BET THIS WILL WORK GUISE
13:49.04vi_But I do recognise them as the batteries that have exploded from a thread on a flashlight forum.
13:49.17vi_In that case the flashlight had 3 18650 in series.
13:49.32vi_One cell had reversed polarity.
13:49.33DocScrutinizer05err the one that nuked the balkony?
13:49.51vi_DocScrutinizer05: No, it nuked some old guys hands.
13:49.55kerio:c
13:49.58keriopoor dude
13:50.00DocScrutinizer05:-((
13:50.32vi_Severe burns, nothing more.
13:50.32DocScrutinizer05vi_: link?
13:50.38vi_let me try.
13:51.03vi_http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?280909-Ultrafire-18650-3000mA-exploded
13:53.22teotwakiWhenever I see something like that in a forum, I'm reminded of the alleged samsung s3 that exploded
13:53.29DocScrutinizer05FUUUUUUUU...ck, sftp oldbox /scratchbox to newbox. oldbox /scratchbox: 4.7G. newbox /scratchbox: 5GB and counting :-/
13:53.33teotwakiwhen really, the guy dunked it into the water.
13:53.42kerioDocScrutinizer05: i heard you like symlinks
13:53.48teotwakiAND THEN thought it would be a good idea to connect it to a powerline
13:53.49jaskaor hardlinks
13:53.52jaskaand bindmounts :)
13:53.59vi_teotwaki: Seriously?
13:54.09teotwakiaye
13:54.14teotwakiHe accused samsung of selling faulty devices
13:54.17teotwakiblogged about it
13:54.30teotwakiSamsung sent a VP over to give him a new one
13:54.40DocScrutinizer05no bindmounts, scratchbox not started
13:54.58teotwakiAnd then, samsung, looking closely at the device, said "Wait a minute, this device didn't explode"
13:55.08vi_I know people in general do not have a clue about electronics but you think they would grasp electricity+water==mega fail.
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13:56.45DocScrutinizer05and >> -r      Recursively copy entire directories when uploading and downloading.  Note that sftp does not follow symbolic links encountered in the tree traver-             sal.
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13:56.52dhbikerthere we go
13:57.00dhbikerrestored backup
13:57.08dhbikernow to the update part again xD
14:02.49kerioDocScrutinizer05: \_o_/
14:02.57DocScrutinizer05indeed
14:03.08keriotransparent compression?
14:03.28DocScrutinizer054.7gb -> 6.5GB and counting
14:04.07DocScrutinizer05how many hardlinks could be in there that du actually notices?
14:04.35kerioidk
14:04.37kerioa lot, apparently
14:04.51keriomost importantly, how many hardlinks are in there that you're not remaking here?
14:05.12DocScrutinizer05aiui sftp doesn't even know about hardlinks
14:05.28DocScrutinizer05hardlinks are pretty hard to handle
14:05.31DocScrutinizer05;-)
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14:06.28DocScrutinizer05there's no pointer on inode entry A->(somefile) to tell about arbitrary B->(samefile)
14:07.10DocScrutinizer05basically you have to check *all* inode entries on that volume, for those that have same data inode number
14:07.52DocScrutinizer05only clue is counter about total number of inode entries pointing to that file
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14:09.18DocScrutinizer05so, to copy, your program needs to enter each inode number of a file that has inode count >1 to a list, and before that check if the list already has same inode number for another file
14:09.44DocScrutinizer05in that case don't copy data but rather create hardlink to the already existing other file
14:11.58keriodoes scp do that?
14:12.57jaskatar knows about them
14:13.01PaliFAIL, maemo system can be unbootable after calling reboot/halt/poweroff/shutdown
14:13.42Paliproblem is that dsme is exited abnormal if is killed by init in shutdown process
14:13.58kerioDocScrutinizer05: btw, why are you using scp?
14:14.03keriothis is a local transfer, right?
14:14.25PaliI saw this problem, sometimes when I called sudo reboot phone was rebooted and then somebody turned it off before X started
14:14.30kerioPali: damn, are you sure about that?
14:14.52Palidsme sending broadcast messages that system going offline
14:15.03DocScrutinizer05kerio: sftp
14:15.15Paliand some processes like hildon-* doing some stuff on it
14:15.24Paliand dsme storing STATE file
14:15.25kerioDocScrutinizer05: what happened to tar jv dir | nc foo 31337?
14:15.49Paliwhen soembody tell that DSME should shutdown system
14:15.51kerioby the way, why isn't /tmp a tmpfs?
14:16.01DocScrutinizer05it fell apart due to lack of inner coherence
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14:17.01DocScrutinizer05kerio: (tmpfs) maybe because we're already short on free memory?
14:17.04PaliI'm suggesting to create wrapper around UPSTART /sbin/shutdown utility which will call DSME reboot/shutdown function
14:17.13kerioDocScrutinizer05: and we can't spare 100K?
14:17.15iluminator105how do you enable front facing camera to be on for surveillance
14:17.34kerioright now my /tmp is 84K
14:18.00DocScrutinizer05open a pdf in browser and see what your tmp is like, then
14:18.13Lava_Croft1349 < divVerent> in busybox it's a forkbomb too
14:18.13Lava_Croft1350 < divVerent> change the 1024 to 1048576 for nice forkbomb effect ;)
14:18.13Lava_Croft1356 < divVerent> #!/bin/busybox sh
14:18.13Lava_Croft1356 < divVerent> S=`yes | head -n 32769`; while :; do exec <<EOF; done
14:18.13Lava_Croft1356 < divVerent> $S
14:18.15Lava_Croft1356 < divVerent> EOF
14:18.18Lava_Croft1356 < divVerent> here it is, the busybox forkbomb :P
14:20.05DocScrutinizer05hmm, nice, but... what it's good for now?
14:20.37DocScrutinizer05and which 1024 to change?
14:20.45DocScrutinizer05max-processes?
14:21.10Lava_Crofthttp://dpaste.com/799895/
14:23.04vi_I like my forkbomb better
14:23.36DocScrutinizer05sftp finished at du -sh /scratchbox ->6.5GB
14:24.22keriowtf is /sys/kernel/debug
14:24.33keriowhat's nodev?
14:24.38jaskano device nodes allowed
14:24.43PaliDocScrutinizer05, what do you think? /sbin/shutdown is upstart ELF utility. We can move this program to /sbin/shutdown.real and implement wrapper which call dsme shutdown/reboot function only once. Next time will be called real ulility
14:24.47keriojaska: nodev on /sys/kernel/debug type debugfs (0)
14:24.52jaskayou cant make things like tty1 or sda etc there
14:25.06jaskadebugfs is used for some twiddling of kernel stuff, not sure of the use on n900 myself
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14:26.16DocScrutinizer05fsckng sftp has a bug
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14:30.38Lava_Croftcough http://i.imgur.com/KfDoU.jpg
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14:39.01DocScrutinizer05LOL
14:39.05DocScrutinizer05but kinda true
14:39.40DocScrutinizer05wonders what type of touchpanel digitizer they use on hooker920
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14:55.12jargon-it's driving me nuts.trying to update the cssu and i can't seem to get passed making a backup. then when i go back to the update,it prompts me to make a backup
14:55.30tadzikread GENERAL NOTICE :)
14:55.38tadziktl;dr: update the operator name widget first
14:55.47jargon-oh
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14:57.27jargon-tadzik: thanks
14:57.35tadzikyou're welcome
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15:05.07tadzikwonders if the trailing "ff" is related to "ffs"
15:05.39DocScrutinizer05it's a common (latin?) tla(?)
15:06.05DocScrutinizer05f: the one that follows. ff: the following (more than one)
15:07.16DocScrutinizer05it's of same class like etc, et al ...
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15:07.36DocScrutinizer05nb
15:07.49DocScrutinizer05sic
15:09.46DocScrutinizer05http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Latin_abbreviations
15:09.57DocScrutinizer05folio
15:10.21DocScrutinizer05>>This abbreviation is used in citations to indicate an unspecified number of following pages following, Example: see page 258ff.<<
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15:17.24keriotadzik: "ffs" is "for fuck's sake"
15:17.33keriocompletely unrelated to pages
15:18.04Skryalso fast file system, completely unrelated too
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15:24.25Palithis should fix reboot requests: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/upstart/commit/a5a91a61aa9cba8af960b6a0dff083a233bc6200
15:24.48Palidsme will see reboot request and send broadcast signal
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15:50.03tadzikkerio: I know what it is, I wondered if "ff" is related to it
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16:24.00DocScrutinizer05Pali: ???
16:24.11Pali???
16:24.22DocScrutinizer05your last 2 posts
16:24.40Palipatch for that dsme
16:24.40DocScrutinizer05((<Pali> this should fix reboot requests...))
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16:25.04Palisee my previous posts in log
16:25.09DocScrutinizer05I didn't know there's anything wrong with reboot
16:25.27Paliproblem is that DSME storing state to state file
16:25.48Paliand if dsme got SIGINT/TERM signal then it does not store state
16:26.15Paliand then you call reboot then dsme does not handle it and init daemon will kill dsme
16:27.02Paliwhen you use dsmetool -b or other hildon method for reboot, it tell DSME that system going to shutdown/restart
16:27.31Palidsme will send broadcast messages to all client to save data and prepair for shutdown/reboot
16:27.55DocScrutinizer05reboot command is deprecated
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16:28.11Paliwhere?
16:28.39Palireboot/poweroff/halt are still used on unixes
16:28.49DocScrutinizer05not on fremantle
16:30.03DocScrutinizer05it's known that reboot does a hard reboot
16:32.05DocScrutinizer05that's why it's called mini-reboot I guess
16:32.15DocScrutinizer05err minishutdown
16:34.11DocScrutinizer05actually, if anything, dsme -b should call minishutdown (after finishing whatever dsme does), not the other way round
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16:42.34Palino
16:42.44Palidsmetool -b doing "proper" reboot
16:43.22Palireboot tell upstart to start killing running daemons (like on desktop)
16:43.42Palibut dsme badly handle SIGTERM and SIGINT signals
16:44.02Paliand more application depends on dbus broadcast signal sent by dsme
16:44.41Palimini-reboot/mini-shutdown is called when reboot application cannot talk to upstart
16:45.14Paliwe only need to handle situation when somebody call reboot/shutdown to tell this also dsme
16:45.23Paliand my patch fixing it for reboot
16:45.50Palireboot calling telinit 6 and here is added line dsmetool -b
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16:46.27Palidsmetool does not have flag for "shutdown", but we can find dbus menthod which is used by "power off" button
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16:57.06DocScrutinizer05reboot is deprecated
16:57.28DocScrutinizer05on fremantle
16:57.53Palithis patch should fix it
16:57.54DocScrutinizer05the hierarchy is dsme > upstart > init
16:58.13DocScrutinizer05reboot is *meant* to do hard shutdown
16:58.20kerioDocScrutinizer05: but upstart *is* init!
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16:58.41DocScrutinizer05kerio: I meant init.d/* scripts
16:58.46kerioi see
16:59.24Palidsmetool -b doing this: change dsme state to reboot, send application dbus signal, tell upstart to reboot system
16:59.37Palireboot doing this: tell upstart to reboot system
17:00.04kerioPali: is upstart smart enough to ignore the command to reboot while it's already rebooting?
17:00.05DocScrutinizer05yes, it's one level lower in hierarchy
17:00.29Palikerio, new upstart
17:00.31Paliyes
17:00.32DocScrutinizer05upstart is not aloowed to kill dsme
17:00.51Paliupstart killing dsme
17:00.53DocScrutinizer05unless you actually *want* hard shutdown
17:03.10Paliok
17:03.29DocScrutinizer05Pali: yes, and a kill -SIGKILL 1 is even more hard than dsme getting killed by upstart. Yet it's not the recommended way to do things, like using reboot command is not recommended to do polite reboot
17:03.32Palino, hard shutdown is /etc/init.d/minishutdown
17:03.54keriowait, i can't "sudo reboot" and have it do a clean reboot?
17:03.56keriowtf
17:04.06Paliyes
17:04.17Paliyou can test my patch
17:04.21DocScrutinizer05kerio: reboot is deprecated
17:04.30DocScrutinizer05use dsme -b
17:04.32kerioDocScrutinizer05: it's fscking **reboot**
17:04.46keriois shutdown the same thing?
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17:04.48SkryI find it somewhat sick that you need a patch to make reboot work like it should
17:04.56DocScrutinizer05it's pretty much same as on any desktop
17:05.15DocScrutinizer05KDE won't handle nice any init 6 call
17:05.42DocScrutinizer05or reboot, for that matter
17:06.27entitledkill, kill 'em all!
17:06.53DocScrutinizer05it's aways 'highest' system that's supposed to do gentle shutdown/reboot. NOT low level systems like init/upstart telling KDE/dsme/hildon-desktop to fsckng quit now
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17:08.22kerioDocScrutinizer05: at the very least i expect KDE not to refuse to launch correctly after it's been SIGTERMed/SIGKILLed by init
17:08.54DocScrutinizer05haha, good luck
17:09.29DocScrutinizer05that's exactly what will NOT happen, if you for example configured KDE to restore last session
17:09.37kerio:s
17:09.44keriowhat will happen?
17:09.50DocScrutinizer05undefined
17:10.48DocScrutinizer05init sends all processes sigint, then after 10s kills all porcesses hard. Whataver state they reached meanwhile
17:11.09DocScrutinizer05err sigterm?
17:11.38DocScrutinizer05depends on your session what KDE got done during that time
17:11.57DocScrutinizer05it's not meant to be the normal usecase anyway
17:12.26DocScrutinizer05and you won't see much appreciation for fixing init to wait for KDE to finish
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17:26.13DocScrutinizer05NAME
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17:26.15DocScrutinizer05DESCRIPTION
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17:27.01DocScrutinizer05nuttin else, nuttin beyond, no  gentle bells & whistles
17:27.53DocScrutinizer05the way this got implemented changed slightly with upstart and then again with systemd, the semantics stay the same
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17:35.35DocScrutinizer05also see man 8 shutdown: >>... All processes are first notified that the system is going down  by  the  signal  SIGTERM.       This gives programs like vi(1) the time to save the file being edited, mail and news processing programs a chance to exit cleanly, etc. ...<< NB there's NO feedback about any of those programs actually finished their thing to die. There's no (official) way to stop shutdown from killing all processes hard after 5
17:35.36DocScrutinizer05or 10 seconds, or actually just shut down telinit
17:37.06DocScrutinizer05that's why KDE calls shutdown, not shutdown quits KDE, if you're trying to use recommended way to shutdown system. Same for fremantle and dsme/hildon/whatever
17:38.32DocScrutinizer05dsme invokes lower level where initctl and reboot live, NOT reboot tells dsme and waits for it to finish
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19:34.03DocScrutinizer05and hildon-home/whatever GUI in turn invokes dsme -b (or similar high level function) when you select "power down" or "reboot" on desktop in menu
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19:35.31aklsHello! I have exactly the same problem: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81760
19:35.34aklsbut there's no fix...
19:36.00aklsis there a way to see if a wlan chip is broken or something else is causing it?
19:36.12aklsAs it is stated in the thread
19:36.20aklsit's a brand new phone
19:36.57aklsI bought it from ebay so sending it back may cost a lot, so I'm looking for a way to fix it
19:38.07kerioakls: ouch :c
19:38.10keriodoes dmesg say something?
19:39.15aklsit says a lot
19:39.19aklswhat should I look for?
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19:39.39keriothe very end
19:39.44kerioanything related to wlan
19:39.52aklshmm
19:40.16aklsthe worst part is that I got two phones
19:40.21aklsanother one is working :(
19:40.57DocScrutinizer05make sure you did a _successful_ _full_ reflash, and maybe don't use ifconfig to play with wlan, rather use settings->internet-connections
19:41.16dreamerh, wrong discussion :P
19:41.18aklshmm, no, nothing in dmesg
19:41.19dreameroops
19:41.43dreamerignore everything I said in the last few lines ^_^
19:42.23aklsDocScrutinizer05, there's nothing in these settings
19:42.27aklsnothing useful at leas
19:42.34aklst
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19:42.58aklsbluetooth is not working as well
19:43.37aklsabout reflashing... I will reflash as soon as I get another battery or charger, because my charger stopped working somehow
19:43.42aklsand it doesn't want to charge from usb
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19:44.38aklsso, is there any way to confirm that my wireless chip is broken?
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20:00.20kerioakls: was it a used n900?
20:00.36kerioit's a lot more likely that your usb port is busted
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20:04.38DocScrutinizer51or system general problem (ram, NAND, fs corruption, swap missing...)
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20:06.30DocScrutinizer51akls: you should do a full reflash (vanilla and combined), post the protocol of this to pastebin and link here for checking
20:06.42aklskerio, no, it was a new telephone
20:06.50aklsDocScrutinizer05, did a full reflash, nothing
20:06.59aklsprotocol.. what's a protocol?
20:07.01DocScrutinizer51then boot up device and pastebin output of dmesg
20:07.10DocScrutinizer51and linl here
20:07.37DocScrutinizer51link*
20:07.54aklsthats a hard task to do without the internet
20:08.07DocScrutinizer51the complete display on your terminal screen
20:08.12keriohe might have a point
20:08.22PaliDocScrutinizer51, I see that BME setting charge current sense voltage to 550mV, but shadowjk charge21.sh script 950mV
20:08.27Paliit is safe?
20:08.55Paliand BME set termination current sense voltage to 100mV and charge21.sh 150mV
20:09.10DocScrutinizer51sorry, can't check right now
20:09.30PaliDocScrutinizer51, ok write later
20:09.33nox-akls, copy to microsd card?
20:09.44DocScrutinizer51I don't know about mV for current
20:10.16PaliDocScrutinizer51, only these 2 differences are in bme and charge21.sh script
20:10.37DocScrutinizer51there's no such thing
20:10.37Palinow bq2415x_charger.ko using same values as charge21.sh
20:11.58DocScrutinizer51you probalygot confused about the unit uVblabla for termination and charge current
20:12.07Palihere is small shell script which write bq2415x chip info: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/charger_print.sh
20:12.20Palicompatible with and without bq2415x kernel driver
20:12.20DocScrutinizer51see footnote 1 and 2 in datasheet
20:12.52DocScrutinizer51err sorry thats bq27200
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20:13.27DocScrutinizer51bbl
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20:24.51aklshow to cd to ".documents" folder?
20:27.16aklsor any other folder that is visible from "Mass Storage" mode
20:27.25aklswithout sd card
20:28.49nox-that should be in ~/MyDocs
20:31.52aklsright
20:34.13aklsDocScrutinizer05, kerio https://dl.dropbox.com/u/71236259/dmesg.txt
20:34.18aklsanything else?
20:35.43keriohm, the CMT messages don't sound healthy
20:36.05aklskerio, and what does it mean?
20:36.16kerioakls: does the phone work?
20:36.17Pali"* CMT rst line change detected (0)"
20:36.31aklskerio, yes, as I stated
20:36.38aklseverything works except for the wireless
20:36.43aklswifi
20:36.51aklsand probably bluetooth, but I'm not sure
20:36.57Pali"misc iphb: Module registered in 2.6.28-omap1, built Oct 28 2009 15:33:55"
20:37.02Paliseems like PR1.0
20:37.16aklsPali, yep, that's the oldest one.
20:37.32aklsI got this phone today, wifi was not working
20:37.39aklsthen I updated to the latest 1.3
20:37.42aklsstill nothing
20:37.51aklsnow I reflashed it to the oldest one
20:37.57aklsand it doesn't work..
20:38.00aklsanything else I can do?
20:38.26freemangordonakls: flash the latest FW
20:38.42freemangordonfor your region
20:38.56aklsfor Global, right? :D
20:39.08freemangordonakls: NFC, you should know :P
20:40.05aklswell, ok, I'll flash it now
20:40.15aklsbut still, how can I verify that wifi is totally broken?
20:40.29aklsifconfig wlan0 shows a mac address but nothing else
20:40.35Pali[   80.588653] wl1251: loaded
20:40.42Pali[   80.589416] wl1251: initialized
20:40.51Palino more about wl1251
20:40.55aklsyep
20:41.14freemangordonakls: what happens if you try to connect to wifi network?
20:41.21aklsfreemangordon, oh
20:41.26freemangordon(i am late to the party)
20:41.33akls<akls> Hello! I have exactly the same problem: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81760
20:41.33akls<akls> but there's no fix...
20:41.41Pali$ iwlist scan
20:41.47aklsthat guy has 100% same problem
20:41.56aklsI don't think that I have wireless-tools installed...
20:42.25freemangordonakls: yeah, I see
20:42.34aklsbut as stated in the forum thread using "ifconfig wlan0 up" locks and leads to other problems like file manager not working
20:43.24freemangordonakls: anyway, Pali is more experienced than me re wifi
20:44.14Palithat problem from TMO post is in hw
20:44.18kerioWTF
20:44.27freemangordonPali: yeah, seems so
20:44.31keriowhy does enigma believe it's ok to take 3mb in the rootfs for a fucking game?
20:44.35Paliifconfig wlan0 up should not freeze system
20:44.56aklsPali, so it's broken and I can throw it away?
20:45.00aklsdamn
20:45.11freemangordonakls: connect external wifi :P
20:45.17freemangordonusb dongle that is
20:45.22Paliyou can try to reflash pr1.3 + vanilla emmc image
20:45.26aklsawesome...
20:45.29freemangordonyeah
20:45.43aklsPali, that's what I had
20:45.47aklssome time ago
20:45.50freemangordonPali: though I wonder why the phone still works
20:46.08aklsfreemangordon, yep, it's working just fine for the exception of file manager
20:46.12aklsand root console
20:46.25aklsoh, and default console is not working as well..
20:46.34freemangordonakls: something is wrong there, you should not be able to use phone if you have downgraded from pr13
20:46.49Paliwhy not?
20:46.51aklsfreemangordon, why?
20:46.56freemangordonsomething with CMT
20:47.04aklsI don't know which firmware I had by default
20:47.07Palicomplete flash also flash cmt firmware
20:47.08aklsbut I upgraded it to 1.3
20:47.26freemangordonPali: there is some remnants IIRC
20:47.29aklsand them completely reflashed to the oldest one hoping that something is going to change
20:47.35aklsthen*
20:47.40Paliok
20:47.56PaliI'm going offline
20:48.05freemangordonPali: CAL, CMT FW or something which cannot be downgraded
20:48.12aklsalright, so I'll contact a guy who sold this one to me.
20:48.14Paliok
20:48.22aklsthank you very much for your help
20:48.27freemangordonakls: try to flash pr13 first
20:48.30Palifreemangordon, all bme packages are pushed to gitorious project
20:48.41Palionly libbmeipc is not fully yet
20:48.52PaliI will done it later
20:48.53freemangordonPali: gret, unfortunately I am in process of doing a new -thumb update
20:48.59aklsfreemangordon, alright. But I'll go offline. If it will work - then I'll come back and tell you how happy I am
20:49.04Palibye
20:49.07aklsbut I'm pretty sure that it's not going to happen ;)
20:49.10freemangordonwon't have time in couple of days :(
20:49.25freemangordonbye
20:49.29akls;)
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20:51.11vi__how do i kill browserd?
20:51.21freemangordonwith a gun?
20:51.26vi__is it dsme that keeps resurrecting it?
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20:51.39freemangordonvi__: dsme -k or something
20:51.47freemangordonor dsmetool -k
20:51.55vi__shoots n900, solves all his problems with 1 bullet.
20:52.22freemangordonvi__: a better idea: break it using your n950 as a hammer :P
20:54.01DocScrutinizer51downgrading on cmt doesn't usually work!
20:54.42DocScrutinizer51so ffs flash PR1.3 combined  and  latest(!) vanilla
20:55.00freemangordonDocScrutinizer51: yes, that is why I wonder what did he upgrade
20:55.12DocScrutinizer51sorry dude, support for PR1.0 discontinued
20:55.31freemangordonDocScrutinizer51: he is not here :D
20:55.35freemangordonanyway, I am off
20:55.37freemangordonnight
20:55.45DocScrutinizer51night fmg
20:56.48vi__freemangordon: !
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20:59.05vi__DIE BROWSERD ASSWIPE
20:59.50kerionooo :(
21:01.51vi__what does libstartup.so do??
21:02.28SpeedEvilfrom memory, its a statistics thing
21:04.10vi__what for?
21:04.50SpeedEvilto measure process startup time to first ui idle call
21:05.48vi__wtf is the point?
21:07.03SpeedEviloptimising CPU use
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21:10.33vi__easy debian chromium-browser...
21:10.37vi__...not bad
21:11.39keriois there a proper chromium for maemo?
21:13.39vi__there was but it got abandoned due to legal issues.
21:14.14keriolegal issues that everyone but us dodged?
21:16.01vi__dunno, ask jacekowski
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21:32.43DocScrutinizer05SpeedEvil: duh :-o
21:33.18DocScrutinizer05learnt something new o/
21:33.48SpeedEvilthis is very hazy memory
21:33.56DocScrutinizer05just when I was about to start thinking "this might get boring"
21:35.35DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.org/development/tools/doc/chinook/sp-startup-time/
21:37.12DocScrutinizer05LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/sp-startup-time/libstartup.so app-to-run
21:37.33DocScrutinizer05vi_:  ^^^
21:38.03DocScrutinizer05OMFG chinook
21:38.44DocScrutinizer05this been one or two releases before diablo?
21:39.03DocScrutinizer05C = D--
21:39.09DocScrutinizer05so one before diablo
21:39.21keriowhat's e?
21:39.26DocScrutinizer05undef
21:39.35kerio:(
21:39.40DocScrutinizer05for some reasons some chars are banned
21:39.40keriobut that's the same letter as my name!
21:41.59DocScrutinizer05wonders if RC0 been named "atrocity" or "atrophy"
21:42.34kerioyou mean maemo 1 or maemo 2
21:42.36kerio?
21:43.18kerio1 doesn't have a codename, 2 is mistral/scirocco/gregale, 3 is bora, 4 is chinook/diablo, 5 is fremantle
21:43.27kerioaccording to wikipedia
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21:44.31DocScrutinizer05LOL
21:44.32DocScrutinizer05<PROTECTED>
21:44.42keriowhat's that?
21:44.50DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo-releases
21:45.16keriohow do i vote for deletion?
21:46.05DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames
21:46.48keriohehe, who added CSSU there?
21:47.04DocScrutinizer05Starting from Bora the release names will be alphabetical, E and G have been excluded from this progression for various reasons (see Presentation by Quim Gil at LinuxTag 2007).
21:47.26DocScrutinizer05o.O
21:47.29DocScrutinizer05CSSU?
21:47.34kerioin Codenames
21:47.41DocScrutinizer05LOL
21:47.52DocScrutinizer05WE ARE FAMOUS!!! \o/
21:48.17merlin1991dafuq?
21:49.15DocScrutinizer05Elephanta is an awesome name
21:49.18DocScrutinizer05;-P
21:49.50kerioit was thp
21:49.58keriohttp://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Template:Release_history_table&oldid=43575
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22:28.34DocScrutinizer05wtf libmeegotouch on N900? http://maemo.org/packages/view/applauncherd-libmeegotouch-perf-tests/
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22:29.51merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=libmeegotouch&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same
22:31.12DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: :nod: - but... any application using it yet?
22:31.19DocScrutinizer05and how?
22:31.45merlin1991don't know, the guy who uploaded libmeegotouch is working on a harm -> fremantle compatability layer
22:31.45DocScrutinizer05I mean... is it a toolkit like qt?
22:33.08DocScrutinizer05MTF date/time-picker for sure more sane than fremantle qt standard
22:33.29DocScrutinizer05aka F*CKING slotmachine
22:33.36merlin1991libmeegotouch is a widget library on top of qt widgets
22:33.58merlin1991which can be styled with css files
22:34.14DocScrutinizer05ohnoes, so even the MTF timepicker will be a slotmachine on fremantle?? :-o
22:34.26merlin1991wtf?
22:34.31merlin1991how should that work?
22:34.47DocScrutinizer05dunno, just shocked
22:35.02merlin1991fremantle timepicher is hildon/gtk, it would have to be a very very weird coincidence that it looks similar in any way
22:35.04DocScrutinizer05when I heard "on top of qt"
22:35.38merlin1991well *nokia* fremantle apps are 90% hildon/gtk
22:35.51merlin1991actually I don't know a single core application that would be in qt
22:36.06DocScrutinizer05HARM qt(m) apps have slotmachines worse than fremantle
22:37.05merlin1991harm has a really nice datepicker
22:37.15DocScrutinizer05in MTF, yes
22:37.29merlin1991well you're talking about the harm qml apps
22:37.43merlin1991those have bad timepickers, that's true
22:38.01merlin1991though someone released a proper qt component to be used from qml that works like the mtf one
22:38.14DocScrutinizer05qtm/qml wtf idunno
22:38.29merlin1991http://va-sorokin.blogspot.co.at/2012/02/presentation-of-meego-harmattan-native.html would be the thing
22:38.50DocScrutinizer05yeah, seen it and already forgot that awesome work
22:39.11DocScrutinizer05since I'll probably never touch HARM again
22:39.26merlin1991though it's kinda sad how they changed the stock timepicker in pr1.2
22:40.00merlin1991before that you practically had 2 wheels which you draged around, now it jumps to the point you click at
22:40.42merlin1991should find the offending commit and revert it in the lib
23:46.06nox-http://kuwaitiful.com/tech-gadgets/iphone-5-vs-fake-iphone-5/
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