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| 00:24.49 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: flush N900? The newly developed Nokia send in for repair? Easy! Go bathroom, drop N900 in toilet, pull the handle. N900 will ship to Nokia repair at maximum possible speed |
| 00:27.41 | MohammadAG | Uploading uboot for kernel-power v46, let's hope you learn a lesson folks, never let trolls get to you |
| 00:27.54 | Jay_BEE | LOL |
| 00:27.58 | Jay_BEE | awesome |
| 00:28.12 | Termana | :p |
| 00:28.29 | mikki-kun | MohammadAG: what is uboot? |
| 00:28.34 | Jay_BEE | good stuff MohammadAG! |
| 00:28.45 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you forgot that he has to flush the battery separately :P |
| 00:29.56 | DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: a secret German weapon of WW-II |
| 00:30.13 | MohammadAG | used by the americans |
| 00:30.16 | mikki-kun | i meant uboot for nokia n900 =p |
| 00:30.16 | Jay_BEE | now if someone could create teh uboot compatible nitdroid... but then not sure what I would be gaining with nitdroid |
| 00:30.24 | mikki-kun | ich weiss wat nen verdammtes ubrot ist =p |
| 00:30.34 | MohammadAG | Jay_BEE, umm, that's easy |
| 00:30.49 | MohammadAG | Jay_BEE, pass me the zImage/vmlinuz image, I'll send you a uImage |
| 00:31.04 | DocScrutinizer | ubrot, yummy :-P |
| 00:31.31 | DocScrutinizer | prepares a wurstbrot |
| 00:32.38 | mikki-kun | starts to manufacture käse/schinkenbrote for defense |
| 00:32.50 | Jay_BEE | MohammadAG: curious, how would I be able to select said uImage with uboot? |
| 00:33.01 | DocScrutinizer | ~uboot is an alternative bootloader, for diskless devices |
| 00:33.01 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay |
| 00:33.09 | MohammadAG | Jay_BEE, just put it on partition 3 |
| 00:33.12 | mikki-kun | so like multiboot? |
| 00:33.41 | DocScrutinizer | multiboot is a dirty hack flashing a new kernel then rebooting |
| 00:33.54 | Jay_BEE | hmm partition 3... let me look this up |
| 00:33.57 | DocScrutinizer | but yeah, somewhat to the same purpose |
| 00:34.25 | mikki-kun | ohhhh, ok |
| 00:34.41 | mikki-kun | will i need it? |
| 00:35.05 | DocScrutinizer | not if you don't need a multiboot system |
| 00:35.13 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, doesn't flashing it multitple times eventually ruin the flash? |
| 00:35.15 | MohammadAG | multiple even |
| 00:35.22 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: sure |
| 00:35.35 | MohammadAG | mikki-kun, so yes, you will need it ^ |
| 00:36.20 | MohammadAG | there's uboot-pr13 by Stskeeps (which the source of contains binaries, of all people to upload a SOURCE with BINARIES...), and there's uboot-power that I just uploaded, which contains proper sources |
| 00:36.49 | mikki-kun | so MohammadAG >> Stskeeps ??? |
| 00:36.51 | mikki-kun | x) |
| 00:37.01 | mikki-kun | that's a pretty bold statement i guess ^^ |
| 00:37.18 | MohammadAG | pfft, he's not here anymore |
| 00:37.57 | mikki-kun | how come? |
| 00:38.52 | MohammadAG | apparently, #maemo is retarded |
| 00:39.26 | MohammadAG | oh crap |
| 00:39.29 | MohammadAG | crap crap crap |
| 00:39.51 | psycho_oreos | bomberman just blew himself up? ;) |
| 00:39.55 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: btw, v46 pk with uboot? fine. I heard there's that new thing called h-e-n, needs pk. Now - with uboot - I might give this a try finally :-D |
| 00:40.44 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, don't install it! |
| 00:40.45 | mikki-kun | pk? |
| 00:40.55 | DocScrutinizer | not?? |
| 00:40.59 | Jay_BEE | pk = kernel power |
| 00:41.10 | mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: i guess he forgot the "remote control mode" ;) |
| 00:41.49 | MohammadAG | here's my changelog entry * Crap, wrong EXTRAVERSION = bootloops (!!!) |
| 00:42.00 | DangerMaus | haha |
| 00:42.01 | mikki-kun | x) cool |
| 00:42.10 | mikki-kun | that's an awesome extra :D |
| 00:42.12 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 00:42.20 | mikki-kun | we need that for ipods! |
| 00:42.20 | MohammadAG | Apparently, makefiles don't follow the same syntax as shell files, so 46 was actually substituted as KP_VERSION |
| 00:42.54 | MohammadAG | sometimes, having extras import every 30 minutes is useful |
| 00:43.01 | MohammadAG | I can erase my mistakes, I think :P |
| 00:43.16 | lcuk | sometimes testing is required before :P |
| 00:43.31 | MohammadAG | lcuk, at least meego works :3 |
| 00:43.33 | comawhite | anyone know a place where I can get the N900 really cheap? |
| 00:43.35 | lcuk | especially for booty things |
| 00:43.36 | lcuk | yeah |
| 00:43.39 | MohammadAG | I didn't test maemo before uploading it |
| 00:43.56 | MohammadAG | isn't it already cheap? |
| 00:44.17 | MohammadAG | it's like 350 bucks in jordan, should be cheaper in the US/EU I suppose |
| 00:44.42 | DocScrutinizer | comawhite: locateIP some overclocker, and wait at his door a few weeks |
| 00:44.54 | MohammadAG | meh, fail /scratchbox/tools/bin/sh: line 1: mkimage: command not found |
| 00:44.54 | lcuk | pizzahut pizza tastes really really good. |
| 00:45.44 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: watching demolition man? |
| 00:45.51 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, nope |
| 00:46.14 | DangerMaus | like $350 on amazon |
| 00:46.21 | MohammadAG | the inner me is awesome |
| 00:46.29 | lcuk | eating pizza, drinking guinness and trying to find a way to write qt class tree without needing to write out both header/code individually |
| 00:46.37 | MohammadAG | it forgot uboot-mkimage as a build dependency, it knows I was going to brick devices |
| 00:46.49 | lcuk | looking for a way to take c++ header file and generate skeleton actual code implementation to fill up later |
| 00:47.08 | mikki-kun | DangerMaus: amazon is dumb |
| 00:47.08 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: there's macrogenerators for that, no? |
| 00:47.14 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, where? |
| 00:47.18 | MohammadAG | mikki-kun, I got mine from amazon |
| 00:47.34 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: errr, cpp is one of them |
| 00:47.45 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, I want to write general class tree |
| 00:47.50 | lcuk | about 15 classes |
| 00:48.02 | Arkenoi | doubts overclocking is that bad, it is available for year or so and no faulty devices yet |
| 00:48.08 | mikki-kun | they removed stuff from wikileaks which the us-governement labeled as terrorists (which i can't really follow) |
| 00:48.20 | lcuk | and then press a button and have it make the actual basic implementation for them but I cant find a way |
| 00:48.38 | lcuk | still used to vb.net for oop :O |
| 00:48.45 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: see my random babble about COBOL this morning. I had my own tool for that |
| 00:48.56 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, I had mine too |
| 00:49.00 | lcuk | it was called visual basic |
| 00:49.02 | MohammadAG | now that the fix is uploaded, let's actually test t |
| 00:49.03 | MohammadAG | it* |
| 00:49.06 | lcuk | i have generators that can make it |
| 00:49.12 | lcuk | but I am trying to wein myself off them |
| 00:49.25 | DangerMaus | mikki-kun, heh they labled a few teens here that toiletpapered trees last halloween as terrorists |
| 00:49.32 | lcuk | headerless object definitions |
| 00:49.37 | DangerMaus | go figure |
| 00:49.37 | lcuk | improve quality of life |
| 00:49.58 | lcuk | i might use python actually |
| 00:50.06 | lcuk | i saw a py to c++ thingy somewhere |
| 00:50.28 | MohammadAG | skinhead or something |
| 00:50.35 | lcuk | but its not qt based so wouldnt add the introspection stuff |
| 00:50.40 | lcuk | shedskin :P |
| 00:50.51 | mikki-kun | DangerMaus: lol?! |
| 00:51.00 | MohammadAG | skin's in both, does it matter? |
| 00:51.09 | lcuk | YES |
| 00:51.22 | DocScrutinizer | headskin, skinhead, who cares? |
| 00:51.23 | MohammadAG | who wants hardpore corn? |
| 00:51.43 | lcuk | no go fix your bootlooper |
| 00:52.17 | MohammadAG | I did, you know why? |
| 00:52.25 | MohammadAG | cause the bugtracker's my effing email address :P |
| 00:53.46 | DocScrutinizer | so GIVE ME THIS HEN NOW!! you no help at all!!1!! |
| 00:53.47 | lcuk | :P |
| 00:54.06 | DangerMaus | bootloops/fruitloops |
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| 00:54.28 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 00:54.59 | DocScrutinizer | I NEED test my mugwarmer, and I NEEED HEN and OVERDRIVE to 1g |
| 00:55.43 | Jay_BEE | i hate not having linux. |
| 00:55.43 | DocScrutinizer | PLZ ANYBODY HLP PLZ!! |
| 00:56.26 | DocScrutinizer | damn I need to practice more to get this leetspeak |
| 00:56.46 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 00:56.51 | MohammadAG | local version boot looops |
| 00:57.00 | MohammadAG | repo one shouldn't |
| 00:57.13 | MohammadAG | waits it out, looking at the Nokia logo reappearing |
| 00:57.42 | DocScrutinizer | FLUSH IT BRO FLUSH! |
| 00:57.42 | MohammadAG | I can't make it suffer like this! *cries* *compiles* |
| 00:57.48 | MohammadAG | oh, good idea |
| 00:57.54 | MohammadAG | takes out battery, flushes device |
| 00:57.56 | Jay_BEE | hi MohammadAG, so my thinking is that I want 2 partitions on my sd card, one with meego, the other (partition3?) with nitroid and uboot will be able to boot either? |
| 00:59.00 | MohammadAG | not sure about that, as of now, I've only seen it booting one OS at a time |
| 00:59.05 | MohammadAG | you need two cards for that |
| 00:59.15 | MohammadAG | three partitions on each |
| 00:59.15 | Jay_BEE | ah |
| 00:59.51 | DocScrutinizer | Jay_BEE: that's the idea of uboot. You need to edit the bootmenu |
| 01:00.12 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, should know more |
| 01:00.18 | MohammadAG | curses builder |
| 01:01.14 | Jay_BEE | bootmenu? i'm trying to steer clear of that. my desire is to use uboot to boot between maemo, meego and nitdroid |
| 01:01.41 | DocScrutinizer | Jay_BEE: don't ask me how to edit N900 flavour uboot bootmenu. I know how that works on Openmoko Freerunner uBoot |
| 01:02.06 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it's pretty stock-ish to me |
| 01:02.12 | MohammadAG | except for the noloboot line to override uboot |
| 01:02.14 | DocScrutinizer | "Nokia" uBoot is somewhat... err... a subset of the full uBoot |
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| 01:02.30 | MohammadAG | actually, I just pulled it from the git page of uBoot :P |
| 01:02.32 | Jay_BEE | uboot bootmenu.... never heard of it. |
| 01:03.06 | Jay_BEE | the mud thickens. |
| 01:03.09 | MohammadAG | shrugs |
| 01:03.10 | MohammadAG | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_U-Boot |
| 01:03.21 | Jay_BEE | yeah |
| 01:03.47 | DocScrutinizer | on a 'usual' uboot you'd enter to uboot cmdline console, via USB ttyACM, and then edit some env vars and save them |
| 01:04.06 | MohammadAG | unterseeboot = undersea boat = submarine? I like german now lol |
| 01:04.16 | Jay_BEE | lol |
| 01:04.49 | e-yes | das ist fantastisch |
| 01:05.05 | DocScrutinizer | on N900, thanks to somebody getting lazy, you can't do that, as the N900 uboot doesn't know (yet) how to deal with watchdogs |
| 01:05.36 | e-yes | hi all |
| 01:05.55 | MohammadAG | privet e-yes :) |
| 01:06.19 | e-yes | preved medved=) |
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| 01:06.47 | Jay_BEE | all of this for nitdroid... bah... hopefully nokia will get it right with Qt and allow us to truly write once and build to other platforms, including android and iOs, and they can go away |
| 01:06.53 | DocScrutinizer | ...and also N900 uboot hasn't even learned how to save anything, as there's no env partition on N900 NAND, and uboot doesn't know how to play nice with CAL partition |
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| 01:07.45 | DocScrutinizer | ..so my take on this is: you need to edit uboot sourcecode to tweak the menu |
| 01:08.28 | DangerMaus | \ |
| 01:08.34 | DangerMaus | \errr |
| 01:08.38 | DangerMaus | dangit |
| 01:08.41 | e-yes | but does any one know about cal? (except for nokia devs) |
| 01:08.56 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, somewhat |
| 01:09.03 | DangerMaus | nouse not playingfair |
| 01:09.24 | DangerMaus | sorry mousr and window fosus not playing fair |
| 01:09.25 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it reads some boot.scr file from the mmc |
| 01:09.28 | e-yes | better way: use second stage menu and write boot.scr for u-boot |
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| 01:10.04 | DocScrutinizer | e-yes: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20465 |
| 01:10.26 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: \o/ |
| 01:10.46 | MohammadAG | ali1234 isn't here, but he's on #meego |
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| 01:11.59 | Jay_BEE | moves on |
| 01:12.29 | MohammadAG | http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/maemo/u-boot/20100919_001.jpg oh nice |
| 01:13.19 | Jay_BEE | hmm |
| 01:13.46 | MohammadAG | [2010-12-12 03:12:25] uboot-power 0.2-1 has been queued for loading into fremantle extras-devel repository |
| 01:15.38 | Jay_BEE | cool |
| 01:16.47 | e-yes | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4874 |
| 01:16.49 | povbot | Bug 4874: Publically document CAL config entries in /dev/mtd1 config area |
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| 01:17.27 | DocScrutinizer | ""some config settings (at least internal flash partition layout = where kernel, initfs, rootfs begins) are parsed also by NOLO loader""!!! http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=186158#post186158 |
| 01:18.30 | DocScrutinizer | ""...so in theory corrupting it [CAL] can make NOLO crash or hang => cold flashing needed"" |
| 01:19.43 | DocScrutinizer | on N900 - thanks to jacekowski master of the RE hacking - we know we can coldflash any time. So I strongly suggest to investigate that path again |
| 01:20.27 | e-yes | could any one check is it (libcal) opened now? (my sdk is far away from me) |
| 01:20.57 | MohammadAG | it won't be open on the maemo repos |
| 01:20.59 | MohammadAG | I assure you |
| 01:21.02 | DocScrutinizer | afaik it's not. But that's just an unqualified notion |
| 01:21.18 | MohammadAG | E: Unable to find a source package for libcal |
| 01:21.31 | DocScrutinizer | surprise surprise |
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| 01:23.10 | DocScrutinizer | anyway the description of CAL raw content by fanoush quite recalls me about uBoot env that seems to work absolutely identical |
| 01:23.59 | DocScrutinizer | at leat for all I can recall off top of my head, after 3 years from hearing about it last time |
| 01:24.00 | Termana | "guys, ive just found out that the 127.0.0.1 proxy server is somewhat "down" at the moment, that explains why it didnt work for you" |
| 01:24.01 | Termana | LOL |
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| 01:24.31 | DocScrutinizer | ~stab Termana |
| 01:24.32 | infobot | ACTION runs at Termana with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
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| 01:25.10 | Termana | Stab me? for what? Trying to stop the depressing discussion of closed bits on the N900? :p |
| 01:25.13 | DocScrutinizer | at least* |
| 01:25.50 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: yes, exactly therefor |
| 01:26.13 | DocScrutinizer | if this discussion is depressing to you, I suggest you /leave |
| 01:26.24 | DocScrutinizer | or put on your sunglasses |
| 01:26.32 | Termana | puts on his sunglasses |
| 01:26.37 | Termana | YEEEAAAHHHHHH |
| 01:26.58 | DocScrutinizer | B E T T E R? |
| 01:27.10 | MohammadAG | LOL Termana |
| 01:27.41 | MohammadAG | Termana, http://www.yeahbutton.com/ |
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| 01:28.16 | Termana | MohammadAG, :P |
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| 01:35.49 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart-tmo-lemming is http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting |
| 01:35.49 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer |
| 01:36.19 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ^^^ you'll love that :-D |
| 01:37.30 | comawhite | oo found another n900 for $250 |
| 01:38.44 | DocScrutinizer | thanks to OC idiots extraordinaires I'll never buy a used N900 |
| 01:38.55 | Termana | DocScrutinizer: lol @ video |
| 01:38.58 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, lol that's sorta random... and weird |
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| 01:39.41 | DocScrutinizer | courtesy fanoush |
| 01:41.30 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 01:41.30 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.32 | MohammadAG | it's in devel |
| 01:41.33 | MohammadAG | tests |
| 01:44.21 | MohammadAG | device boots up, and for the first time in 5 months, I got ACT_DEAD back :D |
| 01:44.56 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I warn you ;-D I got a weird system here, neither 1.2 nor 1.3, and the silos are in standby... |
| 01:45.42 | mikki-kun | ACT_DEAD? |
| 01:45.54 | MohammadAG | charging while off |
| 01:45.57 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: so do you *really* want me to test it? |
| 01:46.01 | MohammadAG | I always have to keep it on to charge |
| 01:46.07 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, device booted up fine |
| 01:46.13 | mikki-kun | lol :D |
| 01:46.17 | MohammadAG | sighs at lost time and date |
| 01:46.23 | MohammadAG | fucking battery |
| 01:47.07 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, yesterday on my NEW device a mere 15s were enough to pop up the requester, though all was still correctly set |
| 01:48.03 | MohammadAG | that's a SIM getting moved issue |
| 01:48.15 | MohammadAG | like the contacts separated or something |
| 01:48.24 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: so how am I going to do this magic flashing voodoo? |
| 01:49.03 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, to avoid confusion, install kernel-power normally (apt-get install kernel-power-flasher), then install uboot-power |
| 01:49.07 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: (SIM) hardly, as the SIM been ok prior to and after battery removal |
| 01:49.09 | MohammadAG | that should work 100% |
| 01:49.35 | DocScrutinizer | what's about rootfs? |
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| 01:49.43 | MohammadAG | ? |
| 01:49.50 | DocScrutinizer | would you recommend I should update that 1.1.1 / ? |
| 01:49.51 | MohammadAG | of meego? |
| 01:50.04 | MohammadAG | you don't have to I suppose |
| 01:50.18 | DocScrutinizer | maybe I'd like to |
| 01:50.20 | MohammadAG | (and wtf??? 1.1.1???) |
| 01:50.54 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, my devel device has 1.1.1 rootfs plus 1.2.72 hostmode-moh-special kernel |
| 01:51.36 | DocScrutinizer | I feel like nuking it |
| 01:51.56 | MohammadAG | I thought that used the "old" API |
| 01:52.04 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 01:52.16 | DocScrutinizer | it's really old |
| 01:52.18 | MohammadAG | and please, acll it moh-en |
| 01:52.28 | MohammadAG | call* |
| 01:53.09 | DocScrutinizer | I will see if I can brick it by simply doing a apt-get... :-P |
| 01:53.25 | MohammadAG | wtf |
| 01:53.34 | MohammadAG | my microSD can't be detected anymore :S |
| 01:53.41 | DocScrutinizer | even more fun to do a fullflash if I don't *have to* but just _want_ to |
| 01:53.58 | DocScrutinizer | err, maybe not yet |
| 01:54.01 | MohammadAG | driver's fine |
| 01:54.32 | MohammadAG | weird |
| 01:54.37 | MohammadAG | cleaned the contacts and it works now |
| 01:54.51 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you found an exploit for that "eating sandisk-uSDs" bug? |
| 01:54.55 | npm | MohammadAG: can i ask a meego devel question (related to missing maemo mad-developer) |
| 01:55.17 | npm | a new qt creator updated yesterday |
| 01:55.41 | MohammadAG | npm, I don't have a proper meego SDK, and I'm not installing a full OBS for it |
| 01:55.52 | MohammadAG | so I have no idea about SDK issues |
| 01:55.55 | npm | and now when i try to deploy to n900/meego it says "remote process failed" and something about missign install of mad-developer |
| 01:55.58 | MohammadAG | #meego isn't of much help either |
| 01:56.07 | MohammadAG | apt-get install madde |
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| 01:56.40 | DocScrutinizer | frowns |
| 01:58.06 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ powerbutton worked in first try |
| 01:58.30 | MohammadAG | with uboot? |
| 01:58.58 | DocScrutinizer | with 1.2.73 moh-en and 1.1.1 rootfs |
| 01:59.09 | BCMM | has anyone packaged a kernel that supports both hostmode and fcam, or do i need to compile it myself? |
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| 01:59.53 | DocScrutinizer | what's the name of that friggin initial-locale&date&time-settings program? Is it FOSS? |
| 02:00.08 | MohammadAG | of course it's FOSS - NOT |
| 02:00.13 | DocScrutinizer | the time setting widget is AWESOME |
| 02:00.20 | MohammadAG | it's a custom widget |
| 02:00.28 | MohammadAG | doesn't even use hildon's libs I think |
| 02:00.34 | MohammadAG | scrolling looks much better in it |
| 02:00.39 | DocScrutinizer | you bet it doesn't |
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| 02:01.14 | DocScrutinizer | time is awesome, date is even worse than hildon |
| 02:01.45 | DocScrutinizer | look and feel like tose ancient slotmachines |
| 02:03.21 | MohammadAG | the way the dialogs open is just wonderful |
| 02:04.04 | DocScrutinizer | I *want* to run that lil fancy at arbitrary times! maybe even rip out the time setting widget |
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| 02:04.46 | DocScrutinizer | so what's the binary's name? |
| 02:05.32 | lcuk | MohammadAG, ocs |
| 02:05.36 | lcuk | the localised version |
| 02:05.44 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, no idea |
| 02:05.45 | lcuk | downloads components as required for what you asked it to do |
| 02:06.14 | lcuk | so if you ask it to build qt for arm and x86 it will do exactly that by getting everything required. |
| 02:06.34 | lcuk | and yes that may be a large thing, obviously it has access to binary dependencies also |
| 02:06.48 | lcuk | it takes reading up about |
| 02:07.11 | lcuk | but it is what you need to handle it realistically for full cross platform meego work. |
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| 02:09.37 | DocScrutinizer | repository.tajuma.com ?? o.O |
| 02:10.37 | DocScrutinizer | wtf catalogs I got on my devel dev? |
| 02:11.52 | DocScrutinizer | HP calculator for Nokia Internet Tablets -- :-D |
| 02:14.16 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: it's same as in iphone iirc |
| 02:14.25 | jacekowski | that slot machine style widget |
| 02:14.43 | DocScrutinizer | unbearable |
| 02:14.56 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, it's better on the iPhone |
| 02:15.54 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, t-tan's from Germany |
| 02:17.07 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: "u-boot for kernel power v46" says it comes with kernel-pwer46. So you think I first need to install kernel power, then again with uboot? |
| 02:17.57 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you only need kernel-power-modules which should be pulled in before installation |
| 02:18.30 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, so all that should happen on installing uboot-v46, no? |
| 02:18.38 | MohammadAG | yes, _should_ |
| 02:19.11 | DocScrutinizer | hahaha, free storage insufficient :-P |
| 02:19.33 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 02:19.49 | MohammadAG | moved his /var/lib/dpkg to /opt |
| 02:20.26 | DocScrutinizer | rootfs 227.9M 224.0M 0 100% / |
| 02:20.34 | DocScrutinizer | pfft |
| 02:20.51 | MohammadAG | apt-get clean? |
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| 02:28.12 | DocScrutinizer | first a "backup" (cp /<randomstuff> sftp:mylaptop/D/t900-rootfs-backup) |
| 02:29.11 | DocScrutinizer | hell, 21k files |
| 02:29.25 | comawhite | how much does it cost to use the gps on the n900 |
| 02:29.44 | mikki-kun | should be free |
| 02:29.53 | MohammadAG | heh, first problems with DSP because of overclocking http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66336 |
| 02:29.56 | mikki-kun | as long as you don't download map-material via 3g |
| 02:29.57 | comawhite | can i use the gps without service provider? |
| 02:30.06 | mikki-kun | you should be able to |
| 02:30.18 | DocScrutinizer | FSCK! |
| 02:30.20 | mikki-kun | anybody seeing i am telling BS, correct me |
| 02:30.44 | DocScrutinizer | /bin/dd: error: can't read file |
| 02:30.46 | MohammadAG | mikki-kun, you're forgetting fullstops at the end of each sentence you say. |
| 02:31.02 | comawhite | MikaT, thank you |
| 02:31.10 | comawhite | oops i meant mikki-kun |
| 02:31.18 | mikki-kun | i was talking about BS not correct punctuation =p |
| 02:31.26 | mikki-kun | ^^ tabbing is evil x) |
| 02:31.29 | MohammadAG | see? you did it again |
| 02:31.39 | mikki-kun | i ended it with a smily ;) |
| 02:32.34 | DocScrutinizer | oh =p is a smiley? |
| 02:33.28 | DocScrutinizer | glares at N900 |
| 02:33.30 | MohammadAG | yeah, like =) |
| 02:33.31 | mikki-kun | yeah the :p |
| 02:33.52 | mikki-kun | i jst don't like the :p one, so i make the =p one :) |
| 02:34.07 | DocScrutinizer | "holding a chopstick between upper lip and nose"? |
| 02:34.20 | mikki-kun | MohammadAG: how can you tell that is an issue of overclocking? |
| 02:35.41 | MohammadAG | mikki-kun, you'll see |
| 02:35.57 | MohammadAG | so cold and windy :/ |
| 02:36.15 | MohammadAG | crap |
| 02:36.27 | MohammadAG | door closed on its own, and i forgot to fix it |
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| 02:39.23 | DocScrutinizer | curses the ignorance of Nokia, to miss adding a *decent* *full* disk-imaging tool |
| 02:39.34 | DocScrutinizer | installs backup-menu |
| 02:40.57 | comawhite | okay i just bought my n900 for $250 |
| 02:40.58 | comawhite | :D |
| 02:42.12 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 02:42.58 | mikki-kun | congrats :) |
| 02:43.27 | Termana | Welcome to the dark side. We have cookies |
| 02:43.48 | comawhite | :D |
| 02:44.04 | comawhite | i got 2 free extra batteries with the phone also |
| 02:44.15 | comawhite | and a case xD |
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| 02:49.48 | MohammadAG | anyone tried sleeping with in ear headphones on? |
| 02:50.06 | MohammadAG | too windy = too noisy outside |
| 02:52.36 | comawhite | i was looking at the phone features, i don't see ogg on it |
| 02:53.31 | MohammadAG | codec can be installed |
| 02:59.31 | mikki-kun | MohammadAG: i guess i shouldn't try sleeping with my 50mm drivers x) |
| 02:59.44 | mikki-kun | but in case things are too loud use ear plugs |
| 02:59.48 | mikki-kun | or get more tired |
| 02:59.53 | mikki-kun | so you will eventually sleep |
| 03:00.03 | MohammadAG | starts fapman |
| 03:00.40 | mikki-kun | good idea :) |
| 03:00.43 | mikki-kun | *starting as well* |
| 03:01.03 | mikki-kun | i wonder how my speed will increase when i go 50k dsl x) |
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| 03:06.14 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: hands on the blanket! |
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| 03:08.36 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder how to operate backup-menu. There's no URL in HAM "description", no icon, no nuttin the common luser may get a clue what to do |
| 03:15.36 | DocScrutinizer | now honestly, how am I supposed to learn about backup-menu? Google for it? |
| 03:16.13 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/downloads/search/application.html?org_openpsa_products_search[1][property]=title&org_openpsa_products_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search[1][value]=backup&org_openpsa_products_search[2][property]=os&org_openpsa_products_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search[2][value]=Maemo5&fetch=Search is futile |
| 03:16.19 | mikki-kun | what time is it for you MohammadAG ? |
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| 03:17.43 | DocScrutinizer | prolly 5:17AM at his TZ |
| 03:21.03 | mikki-kun | whoah, just +1 from me |
| 03:21.14 | mikki-kun | i am gmt+1 |
| 03:21.20 | mikki-kun | +1 one for dst |
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| 03:50.06 | DocScrutinizer | err, where's that? new zealand? |
| 03:52.37 | derf | That's about 12 hours off from New Zealand. |
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| 04:15.49 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: MohammadAG !! MohammadAG , h-e-n wants to install enhanced linux kernel for power users (2.6.28-maemo46)! |
| 04:16.47 | DocScrutinizer | and that while I installed uboot-v46 a minute ago |
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| 04:24.25 | DocScrutinizer | FFS |
| 04:28.03 | DocScrutinizer | unlike with uboot-v46, h-e-n GUI installation via HAM pops up those warning dialogs. Disagreeing about installation of pk results in "installation of h-e-n not possible" |
| 04:28.44 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: please check the dependencies of h-e-n, as well as provides of uboot-v46 |
| 04:29.28 | DocScrutinizer | I guess for now I have to install h-e-n with standard pk, then reinstall uboot-pk |
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| 04:49.03 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: |
| 04:49.05 | DocScrutinizer | t900:~# ls -l /opt/h-e-n/mount.sh |
| 04:49.06 | DocScrutinizer | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2087 Nov 22 22:09 /opt/h-e-n/mount.sh |
| 04:49.12 | DocScrutinizer | +x missing |
| 04:49.36 | DocScrutinizer | bme (stop) waiting |
| 04:49.38 | DocScrutinizer | sh: /opt/h-e-n/mount.sh: Permission denied |
| 04:50.27 | mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: i guess he might be sleeping ;) |
| 04:50.58 | DocScrutinizer | doesn't matter, he'll see it in a few hours, and others might be interested as well |
| 04:51.11 | mikki-kun | x) |
| 04:51.16 | mikki-kun | i see your point :) |
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| 04:58.35 | mikki-kun | i will go sleeping now, see you all later |
| 04:58.47 | DocScrutinizer | cya |
| 04:58.53 | DocScrutinizer | gnite |
| 05:02.46 | mikki-kun | thanks, dir auch x) |
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| 06:19.53 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=895032#post895032 |
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| 08:12.02 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 08:12.06 | DocScrutinizer | Dec 12 09:02:02 t900 hulda[1238]: kdbus_sock_cb:204: unknown GIOCondition 9 for FD 7 |
| 08:12.08 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:22.13 | RST38h | A formal proposal to the United States government to introduce an eighth day to the week. This day would be employed in spiritual contemplation and the worship of pagan divinities the document calls "under-represented". |
| 08:28.26 | ds3 | wheeeeee hostmode works |
| 08:28.55 | araujo | hello everyone |
| 08:29.47 | araujo | any nice game would you recommend for maemo? |
| 08:29.49 | araujo | :) |
| 08:30.01 | RobbieThe1st | Tetrs? |
| 08:30.05 | RobbieThe1st | *tetris |
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| 08:32.04 | psycho_oreos | there's plenty of nice games for maemo |
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| 08:47.08 | DocScrutinizer | ds3: sure, what else? |
| 08:48.44 | DocScrutinizer | definitely time for breakfast, cya |
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| 08:50.41 | Gh0sty | hmm DocScrutinizer is european? :o |
| 08:50.52 | Gh0sty | I was thinking you were american or something :) |
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| 08:59.21 | DocScrutinizer | because of my texas slang or what? |
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| 08:59.53 | Gh0sty | no because of you always being online :p |
| 09:00.14 | Gh0sty | in the middle of the night ... early in the morning (at least for me) |
| 09:00.25 | Gh0sty | and since i'm at central european time ... |
| 09:00.36 | Gh0sty | I was assuming you were from the US :) |
| 09:01.24 | Gh0sty | where are you from actually? I see you have a server at france but thats probably not your origin based on the name :p |
| 09:02.41 | DocScrutinizer | what the heck, sever in france? |
| 09:03.01 | Gh0sty | oh my bad |
| 09:03.07 | DocScrutinizer | please elaborate |
| 09:03.14 | Gh0sty | you are on the french irc server ;0 |
| 09:03.24 | Gh0sty | you whois information ... :p |
| 09:03.26 | Gh0sty | never mind that |
| 09:03.40 | DocScrutinizer | grrr |
| 09:03.58 | Gh0sty | ?? |
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| 09:04.01 | Gh0sty | ?? |
| 09:04.34 | Gh0sty | now what? :p |
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| 09:08.49 | Gh0sty | DocScrutinizer: don't like french servers? :p |
| 09:09.00 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 09:09.30 | Gh0sty | and now I think I know where you are from |
| 09:09.44 | DocScrutinizer | and I start to hate konversation, as it doesn't regard the sorting of server priorities I configured |
| 09:09.51 | Gh0sty | eastern germany or further east ... poland ? |
| 09:10.05 | DocScrutinizer | not exactly |
| 09:10.18 | Gh0sty | russia then? :p |
| 09:10.22 | DocScrutinizer | more like southewrn |
| 09:10.34 | Gh0sty | opens a map |
| 09:11.21 | DocScrutinizer | may I tell you it's too cold here? |
| 09:11.25 | DocScrutinizer | ~weather EDDN |
| 09:11.56 | Gh0sty | nuernberg ? :) |
| 09:12.15 | Gh0sty | closer then I expected :P |
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| 09:16.36 | Gh0sty | with us its just above the freezing point now since a couple of days ... 4 degrees C |
| 09:17.25 | Gh0sty | d |
| 09:17.42 | Gh0sty | DocScrutinizer: you come to fosdem? (now you know where i'm from ;) ) |
| 09:18.20 | DocScrutinizer | don't think so |
| 09:20.16 | DocScrutinizer | hell, <400 users |
| 09:23.41 | Gh0sty | hmm? |
| 09:24.12 | Gh0sty | where < 400 users? |
| 09:24.45 | DocScrutinizer | here |
| 09:25.26 | DocScrutinizer | in better times there've been >500 |
| 09:27.00 | Gh0sty | ah the channel |
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| 09:27.16 | Gh0sty | DocScrutinizer: extra incentive ... if you come to fosdem I pay you a beer :P |
| 09:27.40 | DocScrutinizer | ok, I'll rethink |
| 09:27.47 | Gh0sty | :P |
| 09:28.10 | Gh0sty | its been a while ... I've been to froscon last year |
| 09:28.39 | Gh0sty | still would like to come to CCC but someones gotta keep the site running between christmas and ny and that one would be me :( |
| 09:29.05 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, same here - well somewhat |
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| 09:29.28 | Gh0sty | but fosdem is a one I never miss :) |
| 09:29.56 | Gh0sty | well also cause I work a couple of km distance and I've become part of the crew |
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| 09:35.32 | RST38h | Northrop Grumman's 100 kilowatt laser fired for six hours straight |
| 09:37.41 | DocScrutinizer | could somebody build a powertop for PK? |
| 09:38.27 | DocScrutinizer | fires a MTHEL into RST38h general direction |
| 09:39.40 | comawhite | I have a strange question, is there a way to use a different keyboard layout on the phone like say German layout on a US phone or US international? |
| 09:39.54 | DocScrutinizer | why not? |
| 09:40.50 | DocScrutinizer | settings->text_input->kbd_layout |
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| 09:41.36 | comawhite | thanks |
| 09:41.59 | comawhite | DocScrutinizer: I was just wondering, wasn't sure it was possible on a phone |
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| 09:45.04 | DocScrutinizer | alas, because of an obscure bug, the on the fly switching between primary and alternative kbd layout only works for Russian kbds .oO(???) |
| 09:45.51 | DocScrutinizer | not that I really miss that feature |
| 09:50.17 | comawhite | i rarely would care about switching since I use only one specific layout anyways |
| 09:52.17 | comawhite | i wonder if I could buy keys to match the keyboard layout |
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| 09:58.49 | DocScrutinizer | a localized keymat? |
| 09:59.07 | DocScrutinizer | ask Doc! :-D |
| 10:00.37 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.thenokiaparts.com/eng/tuotteet/N900-spare-parts/n900-qwerty-keymat-english-265740 |
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| 10:01.43 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.klc.fi/fin/tuotteet/Nokia-Varaosat-N900/N900-QWERTY-KEYMAT-ENGLISH-265740- |
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| 10:02.28 | Gh0sty | hmmm thinking to buy a new battery cover |
| 10:02.34 | Gh0sty | my kickstand magnet came loose |
| 10:02.38 | Gh0sty | I glued it again |
| 10:02.52 | Gh0sty | but still the kickstand feels more loose then before ... |
| 10:03.22 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4370_Original-Nokia-N900-Keypad-QWERTZ.html |
| 10:03.43 | Gh0sty | wonder how much forst it can take actually? I read on the forums that some people managed to break it off ... |
| 10:03.49 | comawhite | DocScrutinizer: I looked at US, UK, German, French n900's all seem to be the same |
| 10:03.52 | Gh0sty | s/forst/force/ |
| 10:05.38 | DocScrutinizer | comawhite: definitely not. I swapped my annoying WERTZU kbd keymat for a US one, with FOUR nice cursor arrow keys, rather than 2 on the german kbd |
| 10:06.05 | comawhite | DocScrutinizer: looks identical to the US one (amazon.de) |
| 10:06.15 | comawhite | QWERTZ :P |
| 10:06.31 | DocScrutinizer | eh? |
| 10:06.49 | Gh0sty | oh there is that much difference in keyboards? |
| 10:07.06 | Gh0sty | I just bought it from the UK, did not know they had localized versions :P |
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| 10:07.28 | comawhite | DocScrutinizer: well I mean, you don't see the umlauts on the German keyboard. |
| 10:07.38 | DocScrutinizer | I mean * |
| 10:07.42 | DocScrutinizer | I* see them |
| 10:07.55 | DocScrutinizer | I dunno why *YOU* don't |
| 10:07.59 | comawhite | idk |
| 10:08.01 | comawhite | shrugs |
| 10:08.58 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4370_Original-Nokia-N900-Keypad-QWERTZ.html what's the problem to see those ÃÃÃ on the right side of that picture? |
| 10:09.11 | comawhite | Well shouldn't be hard to input umlauts on the us keyboard as long as it's not the alt+shift+'+u like crap |
| 10:09.16 | DocScrutinizer | shrugs even more |
| 10:09.47 | comawhite | hehe |
| 10:09.50 | comawhite | I'm tired |
| 10:10.02 | comawhite | I'm bugging the hell out the person selling me his n900 |
| 10:10.06 | comawhite | xD |
| 10:10.49 | comawhite | asking him to upgrade the firmware, reset it to factory, take pictures (got a few pixelated pics) asking to take closer ones of the phone |
| 10:10.50 | comawhite | xD |
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| 10:12.17 | comawhite | wants his phone nao |
| 10:12.19 | comawhite | cries |
| 10:12.32 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 10:12.44 | comawhite | i hate buying stuff off the net |
| 10:12.50 | comawhite | takes a bloody long time |
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| 10:17.06 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=895107&postcount=440 :-P |
| 10:23.08 | comawhite | I hope the next phone that replaces the N900 has a full screen on the front |
| 10:23.08 | DocScrutinizer | shakes head and frowns about OCers wondering why their device goes bonkers |
| 10:23.57 | comawhite | what's the point of OCing a phone |
| 10:24.03 | comawhite | just kills the battery |
| 10:24.16 | comawhite | just my opinion |
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| 10:25.41 | psycho_oreos | some people have the need for speed |
| 10:25.48 | comawhite | lol |
| 10:25.58 | comawhite | i never notice the speed so yeah |
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| 10:26.44 | comawhite | though I will have a backup battery just in case anyways |
| 10:26.56 | psycho_oreos | I guess overclocking is a bit like pressing that NOS button on your car |
| 10:27.02 | comawhite | :P |
| 10:27.15 | psycho_oreos | enjoy the speed, suffer the consequence of blown up engine |
| 10:30.16 | comawhite | how you pronounce maemo |
| 10:31.05 | psycho_oreos | I pronounce it as `may-moe' |
| 10:31.20 | comawhite | yeah that's how i do it |
| 10:31.21 | jaska | i pronounce it like a finn would if it was a native word |
| 10:31.23 | comawhite | but wasn't sure |
| 10:31.34 | comawhite | mow moo? |
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| 10:33.31 | comawhite | wow you can play mp3's through the fm transmitor to the car radio? |
| 10:33.47 | psycho_oreos | yes |
| 10:33.57 | comawhite | that'd be nice since my mum doesn't have a cd player |
| 10:34.18 | comawhite | in her car when I have to drive across town blaring music ;P |
| 10:34.45 | comawhite | when I get my phone i'll have to get someone to help me do that |
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| 10:35.42 | psycho_oreos | if yer mum's car have tape player you can still get an age old tape to 3mm stereo jack adapter so that you can plug yer music player in and play music through there |
| 10:35.59 | comawhite | she does but no store sells those things anymore |
| 10:36.07 | comawhite | no local store |
| 10:36.09 | psycho_oreos | ebay might lol |
| 10:36.41 | comawhite | well amazon does too, but that'd require more waiting |
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| 10:37.42 | comawhite | psycho_oreos: have you tried getting meego on the n900? |
| 10:37.51 | psycho_oreos | comawhite, no, not yet |
| 10:38.09 | comawhite | aww |
| 10:38.43 | psycho_oreos | if you're looking for meego support, there is #meego :p |
| 10:40.04 | comawhite | no I'm not |
| 10:40.09 | comawhite | just curious |
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| 10:43.15 | lolloo | halaaa |
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| 10:43.49 | lolloo | uboot-power from MAG is it in repo? |
| 10:43.51 | comawhite | blah I wish my German was better to understand this you tube video |
| 10:44.56 | lolloo | do I just install it over my powerkernel46? |
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| 10:46.25 | crashanddie | comawhite: what video? |
| 10:46.31 | comawhite | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap68fgJmCmo&feature=related |
| 10:46.40 | comawhite | it has subtitles but they are really slow |
| 10:46.48 | comawhite | i can understand some but not all |
| 10:47.23 | lolloo | ok pray for me, I have installed uboot-power |
| 10:47.29 | lolloo | rebooting phone. |
| 10:47.32 | comawhite | whats that do? |
| 10:47.43 | lolloo | boots maemo and meego |
| 10:47.49 | comawhite | oh |
| 10:48.03 | comawhite | screenies of meego on the phone? |
| 10:48.13 | RST38bis | prays: May the Tentacled One have his soul and feast on whatever brains he has left |
| 10:49.06 | psycho_oreos | throws a rather large octopus at RST38bis's general direction |
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| 10:49.53 | crashanddie | comawhite: he's just explaining that it supports layouts for left handed and right handed users, portrait mode which doesn't impact other applications, all the regular GPS features (address, POI, GPS locations [for geocaching], etc). |
| 10:50.12 | comawhite | Dank |
| 10:50.21 | psycho_oreos | you meant Danke |
| 10:50.30 | comawhite | it's both |
| 10:50.41 | comawhite | different meanings to be exact |
| 10:50.46 | comawhite | but similar |
| 10:51.04 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, hmm |
| 10:51.15 | comawhite | Dank = thanks, Danke = thank you, Danke schön = thank you very much |
| 10:51.17 | comawhite | iirc |
| 10:51.19 | crashanddie | I have to admit, Sygic looks really fast |
| 10:52.02 | comawhite | is Sygic the one preinstalled/ |
| 10:52.05 | comawhite | ?* |
| 10:52.18 | crashanddie | nope |
| 10:52.33 | comawhite | I wonder how much it will costs |
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| 10:53.25 | crashanddie | 60 euros |
| 10:53.35 | comawhite | â¬19.99 for US |
| 10:54.17 | comawhite | I'll have a look at Marble |
| 10:54.24 | comawhite | and see how it's gps works |
| 10:54.33 | crashanddie | its |
| 10:55.11 | comawhite | thanks |
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| 10:55.41 | comawhite | wtf the WP7 gets all us canada and mexico in one pack while maemo gets them invidivdually :( |
| 10:55.58 | comawhite | same with europe, etc |
| 10:56.59 | BCMM | do we have a VNC client that supports reverse vnc? |
| 10:58.07 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, permissions are always set in postinst |
| 10:58.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | :nod: |
| 10:58.53 | MohammadAG | I always do this through some weird script lines (either manually for each file or with a find $dir -name "*.sh") |
| 10:59.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | I said that in "bottomline:" |
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| 10:59.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | but the dependency sucks |
| 11:00.21 | MohammadAG | i should add provides: kernel-usbhost or whatever to the package |
| 11:00.38 | MohammadAG | but the modules install the kernel, thanks to t-tan's weird depends line |
| 11:00.50 | MohammadAG | a kernel depends on modules, not vice versa :/ |
| 11:01.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm not quite sure if h-e-n should have any dependency to a particular kernel version or feature. We got the runtime API version check for that |
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| 11:09.58 | comawhite | angry birds is free? and what's so great about that game? |
| 11:11.17 | MohammadAG | you'll never know till you try it |
| 11:11.25 | comawhite | hehe |
| 11:11.31 | MohammadAG | and afaik, it's only free on maemo (other platforms have 6 levels free) |
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| 11:14.54 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: actually, no, the modules depend on the kernel being present |
| 11:15.08 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: because you can't use the modules unless the proper kernel is installed |
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| 11:15.25 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, but you can have the modules without the kernel |
| 11:15.36 | crashanddie | wouldn't they be useless? |
| 11:15.59 | MohammadAG | not if another package wants them |
| 11:16.10 | MohammadAG | right now, on uboot-power installation, I'm guessed two kernels are flashed |
| 11:19.07 | MohammadAG | guessing* meh, just woke up |
| 11:22.00 | RST38h | http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-453 |
| 11:22.02 | RST38h | Ehehhe |
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| 11:23.04 | lolloo | oops had problems after installing uboot-power from MAG |
| 11:23.36 | lolloo | couldn't boot back to maemo after booting to meego |
| 11:23.47 | lolloo | I had to reflash fiasco again. |
| 11:23.57 | MohammadAG | err |
| 11:24.08 | lolloo | is it because I have multiboot installed? |
| 11:24.11 | lolloo | hehe |
| 11:24.12 | MohammadAG | you flashed the whole fiasco image? |
| 11:24.22 | lolloo | no just kernel |
| 11:24.26 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 11:24.38 | lolloo | I couldn't return back to maemo |
| 11:24.42 | MohammadAG | I don't use multiboot anymore |
| 11:24.57 | lolloo | when I type run noloboot it shuts my phone. |
| 11:24.57 | MohammadAG | and why do you need 3 bootloaders at once? |
| 11:25.05 | lolloo | hehe |
| 11:25.17 | MohammadAG | did you pull in dependencies? |
| 11:25.18 | lolloo | make my phone fancier i guess |
| 11:25.22 | MohammadAG | I see you installed it with dpkg |
| 11:25.27 | lolloo | yes |
| 11:25.32 | lolloo | dpkg -i |
| 11:25.44 | MohammadAG | that doesn't pull dependencies |
| 11:25.50 | RST38h | Ah, just /ignore... |
| 11:25.50 | lolloo | oh |
| 11:25.52 | MohammadAG | you probably have missing modules |
| 11:26.01 | lolloo | aha |
| 11:26.15 | lolloo | what's the right precedure? |
| 11:26.21 | MohammadAG | use apt |
| 11:26.36 | MohammadAG | apt-get -f install should fix all dep issues |
| 11:26.47 | lolloo | apt-get -f uboot-power |
| 11:26.50 | lolloo | correct? |
| 11:26.55 | MohammadAG | no, apt-get -f install |
| 11:27.01 | lolloo | oh |
| 11:27.08 | lolloo | apt-get -f install uboot-power |
| 11:27.21 | MohammadAG | :/ |
| 11:27.31 | MohammadAG | "apt-get -f install"(!) |
| 11:27.32 | lolloo | hehe what? |
| 11:27.43 | MohammadAG | don't add/remove crap, just type it in like that |
| 11:27.53 | lolloo | hehe ok friend. |
| 11:28.00 | lolloo | let me see now.. |
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| 11:30.25 | lolloo | ok restarting... |
| 11:31.01 | MohammadAG | I wonder if he reflashed the kernel that he... well, reflashed |
| 11:31.39 | RST38h | Does it matter? |
| 11:31.56 | RST38h | He does not understand what he is doing and has messed things up. |
| 11:32.20 | MohammadAG | RST38h, HAM should've included a warning upon adding devel |
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| 11:32.37 | MohammadAG | it wouldn't annoy us, since we wouldn't be using HAM |
| 11:33.17 | MohammadAG | also, I have a suggestion, can we decide when an app is safe and when it isn't? The whole test + vote thingy is retarded |
| 11:33.24 | RST38h | Mohammad: Or just remove warnings from all household items and wait for Darwin to harvest his own |
| 11:33.45 | RST38h | Mohammad: You can make a suggestion. Nobody will listen. |
| 11:33.49 | MohammadAG | chances are when something is accepted to extras, I need to push a new one |
| 11:35.31 | RST38h | Mohammad: Basically, no matter how many warnings you add, there will be people flashing custom kernels and installing broken scripts made by similarly talented people |
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| 11:36.15 | RST38h | Mohammad: And with so much useful software remaining in -devel for ages, you cannot honestly recommend everyone to "never use -devel" |
| 11:36.44 | MohammadAG | RST38h, and why is useful software remaining in devel? Cause the policy is retarded |
| 11:37.13 | RST38h | Correct. |
| 11:37.26 | MohammadAG | Can it be changed? |
| 11:37.37 | RST38h | But any suggestions to change the policy were ignored, for the last year or so |
| 11:37.41 | MohammadAG | was it always this way before? |
| 11:37.49 | MohammadAG | always like* |
| 11:37.54 | MohammadAG | N8x0 times that is |
| 11:37.56 | RST38h | No, things got this way with Maemo5 |
| 11:38.09 | RST38h | Maemo4 had way saner policies |
| 11:38.14 | MohammadAG | how did it work on Diablo? |
| 11:38.37 | RST38h | You upload it to -devel, wait a bit, then promote it toproper extras, by yourself, no testing required |
| 11:38.57 | alterego | Or voters .. |
| 11:39.09 | alterego | Those days were awesome |
| 11:39.21 | MohammadAG | and how exactly were the voters picked? |
| 11:39.47 | MohammadAG | frozen-bubble depends on perl, and it was voted down because of that |
| 11:39.58 | alterego | Yes, very dumb |
| 11:40.06 | alterego | is hung over. |
| 11:40.24 | RST38h | Mohammad: Maemo4 required no voters |
| 11:40.44 | MohammadAG | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/frozen-bubble/2.2.0-1maemo4-1/ |
| 11:40.47 | RST38h | Mohammad: In Maemo5, every maemo.orgmember can vote, but very few care, if you check the voting records |
| 11:41.10 | MohammadAG | RST38h, I know |
| 11:41.10 | nidO | and those that do care enough to follow policy in voting mostly get bitched at mercilessly |
| 11:41.18 | nidO | which results in even less caring |
| 11:41.19 | RST38h | Mohammad: Because your average user is a "gimme" type, who does not care about voting or anything else other than instantgratification |
| 11:41.56 | RST38h | Mohammad: Unfortunately, these nice Maemo Devices engineers who came up with the current policies, appear to know next to nothing about the social aspect |
| 11:42.00 | MohammadAG | and all this was done to enable extras by default? |
| 11:42.18 | RST38h | And they do not listen to outside people either.Or, rather, listen, but do not hear |
| 11:42.20 | alterego | I just make sure I think it adheres, get a person or two from here that usually do the same, then i get a load of people that don't care and probably have never tested the app to vote it up. |
| 11:42.28 | RST38h | Mohammad: Yes,so it was said |
| 11:42.49 | RST38h | alterego: Same here |
| 11:43.02 | MohammadAG | and that resulted in people enabling devel |
| 11:43.03 | MohammadAG | meh |
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| 11:43.31 | lolloo | holaa! |
| 11:43.32 | RST38h | alterego: Lacking chances to get app tested for real,you end up raising support among your buddies or well-natured acquaintances |
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| 11:43.43 | lolloo | oops didn't work MohammadAG. |
| 11:43.51 | RST38h | Mohammad: Believe it or not (check the logs) I have been saying this for months now |
| 11:43.57 | MohammadAG | * lolloo has quit (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 11:43.58 | MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> I wonder if he reflashed the kernel that he... well, reflashed |
| 11:44.08 | lolloo | hehe |
| 11:44.21 | RST38h | Mohammad: Everyone agrees (including nokians) but nobody acts |
| 11:44.21 | MohammadAG | apt-get --reinstall install uboot-power |
| 11:44.22 | alterego | Yeah, I wouldn't ask people to test unless I thought it was mostly ready tbh |
| 11:44.28 | lolloo | awesome! |
| 11:44.36 | alterego | We're not that irresponsible here ;) |
| 11:44.36 | MohammadAG | I haven't pushed brickers to devel |
| 11:44.44 | lolloo | ok getting on to it. |
| 11:44.46 | MohammadAG | and the one I pushed failed to build |
| 11:44.48 | lolloo | hehe |
| 11:45.44 | alterego | bbl |
| 11:46.04 | lolloo | oops, it says it cannot be downloaded! |
| 11:46.55 | MohammadAG | update your repos |
| 11:47.28 | lolloo | oh stupid me! |
| 11:48.02 | lolloo | is there a console command for it? |
| 11:48.10 | lolloo | or i just go to appmanager |
| 11:48.20 | crashanddie | apt-get update |
| 11:48.38 | lolloo | awesome ok. |
| 11:49.18 | MohammadAG | may I ask why you used dpkg in the first place? |
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| 11:49.43 | lolloo | hehe just got used to it. |
| 11:49.54 | lolloo | I see it alot. |
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| 11:50.42 | CaCO3 | did anybody ever play around with Qts gwebview? |
| 11:50.56 | MohammadAG | CaCO3, QWebView, yes |
| 11:51.11 | lolloo | oh oh done all steps! pray for me! brb. |
| 11:51.20 | CaCO3 | I made a mini browser, but it does not show the scroll bars in maemo |
| 11:51.27 | CaCO3 | but it does on my pc |
| 11:51.46 | CaCO3 | do you know how to show the scrolbar like in the microB? |
| 11:55.26 | alterego | we don't really have scrollbars in maemo |
| 11:55.44 | CaCO3 | so do I have to implement them myself? |
| 11:55.48 | alterego | We have scroll indicators. |
| 11:55.55 | CaCO3 | but why are they shown and workingwhen irun it on my pc? |
| 11:56.09 | CaCO3 | hu? |
| 11:56.12 | alterego | Not sure if they're available, but the implementation is straight forward. |
| 11:56.13 | RST38h | Maemo GTK+ is not the same as desktop GTK+ |
| 11:56.15 | CaCO3 | yup, i know |
| 11:56.19 | CaCO3 | thats what I want :) |
| 11:56.24 | crashanddie | RST38h: Qt |
| 11:56.28 | MohammadAG | CaCO3, have a look at http://gitorious.org/qtbrowser/qtbrowser |
| 11:56.36 | MohammadAG | better than starting from scratch |
| 11:56.36 | RST38h | Maemo Qt is not the same as desktop Qt |
| 11:57.11 | MohammadAG | there's a bug in QWebView |
| 11:57.19 | MohammadAG | instead of scrolling, it selects text |
| 11:57.27 | CaCO3 | I already implemented the selection supressor, that works |
| 11:57.40 | CaCO3 | its all fine, except it misses the scroll indicators |
| 11:58.05 | MohammadAG | maemo doesn't need/have them |
| 11:58.16 | MohammadAG | start your app with -style cleanlooks |
| 11:58.29 | CaCO3 | where? |
| 11:58.33 | MohammadAG | terminal |
| 11:58.43 | CaCO3 | n900, PC or scratchbox? |
| 11:58.58 | MohammadAG | N900 |
| 11:58.58 | crashanddie | CaCO3: lol, on your blackberry of cours |
| 11:59.00 | crashanddie | e |
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| 11:59.15 | lolloo | hola! |
| 11:59.21 | CaCO3 | haha :) You know that python runs everywhere where is an interprerer??? |
| 11:59.48 | MohammadAG | usually, in $PATH |
| 11:59.58 | CaCO3 | it also will run on an iphone, i am just waiting until you pay the 100$ and implement an python interpreter... |
| 12:00.22 | crashanddie | you won't see python on iOS |
| 12:00.34 | CaCO3 | I know, thats why i have a maemo :) |
| 12:00.54 | MohammadAG | does Mac OSX have Python? |
| 12:01.06 | lolloo | uboot-power didn't let me boot back to multiboot. it just turns off the phone after I type run noloboot. sorry for the trouble. |
| 12:01.21 | CaCO3 | no klue, but you can install almost every linux tool, as it has a unix core |
| 12:01.33 | MohammadAG | why do you need multiboot |
| 12:01.43 | crashanddie | no, it doesn't have a unix core |
| 12:01.46 | lolloo | I have nitdroid on it |
| 12:01.58 | crashanddie | well, not iOS, anyway. OSX -- yes. |
| 12:02.00 | lolloo | Dropbox uses python. |
| 12:02.00 | MohammadAG | then why do you need uboot :/ |
| 12:02.10 | lolloo | to boot to meego. hehe |
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| 12:02.45 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, didn't it work for you? |
| 12:02.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | .wut? |
| 12:03.01 | lolloo | is it possbile for you to edit uboot-power to make to compatible with multiboot please? |
| 12:03.09 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, uboot-power |
| 12:03.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | worked great |
| 12:03.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | haven't you rwead that post: |
| 12:03.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | ? |
| 12:03.55 | MohammadAG | I have, I just need you to confirm it again - here |
| 12:04.25 | CaCO3 | MohammadAG: I used "app.setStyle('cleanlooks')" in my code, but the scrollbar indicators are still missing :( |
| 12:04.49 | lolloo | its awesome for powerkernel46 to have uboot again. |
| 12:05.03 | MohammadAG | what's with people ignoring instructions? |
| 12:05.15 | MohammadAG | CaCO3, I said run the binary with -style cleanlooks |
| 12:05.44 | MohammadAG | I didn't include a cryptic message for you to use to setStyle() the app |
| 12:06.10 | CaCO3 | sry, but italso does not work! |
| 12:06.11 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: chill |
| 12:06.32 | MohammadAG | -style, not --style |
| 12:06.33 | CaCO3 | it looks different, ok, but still missing scroll indicators |
| 12:07.02 | MohammadAG | no idea then, you can implement them externally witth a QScrollBar or whatever it's called |
| 12:07.18 | CaCO3 | hmm, this again makes another look, but no scrol lindicators |
| 12:07.28 | MohammadAG | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/stable/qscrollbar.html |
| 12:08.39 | CaCO3 | hmm, ok, thanks. I thought i would have to go this way |
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| 12:09.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | bbl |
| 12:10.40 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, meh, I should |
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| 12:18.33 | Gh0sty | for people with dumb chargers: |
| 12:18.37 | Gh0sty | http://shop.brando.com/mini-usb-to-micro-usb-adapter-w-on-off-switch_p4160c6d1.html |
| 12:18.42 | Gh0sty | http://shop.brando.com/brando-workshop-usb-to-micro-usb-cable_p4161c12d2.html |
| 12:18.49 | Gh0sty | both work nice with the n900 |
| 12:19.17 | Gh0sty | the charger switch shorts the datalines (needed for dumb chargers like wall or car usb adapters) |
| 12:19.53 | Gh0sty | and there is free shipping till end of the year ... |
| 12:22.21 | comawhite | anyone know a good place to buy a car mount and charger together? |
| 12:22.52 | lolloo | I have 4 not upgraded, how do I know whats not upgraded in xterm? |
| 12:23.37 | comawhite | because I looked on newegg and amazon and just found crap or none |
| 12:24.20 | lolloo | after typing apt-get upgrade i get "4 not upgraded" |
| 12:24.38 | lolloo | how do I know whats not upgraded? |
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| 12:31.22 | alterego | is not feeling himself todao. |
| 12:31.24 | alterego | ~today .. |
| 12:31.31 | alterego | I didn't even drink that much. |
| 12:31.41 | alterego | Oh, actually, it was probably those 3 shots of sambuca. |
| 12:32.24 | lolloo | sambuca hehe funny |
| 12:33.14 | alterego | They didn't have any smoked bacon in the shop :( |
| 12:33.26 | alterego | So I'm having an unsmoked bacon sammich |
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| 12:34.35 | CaCO3 | for those who are interested: the scrollbat (indicator) is not an property of the qwebview, but of its child mainFrame. In python you can enable it with: |
| 12:34.40 | CaCO3 | self.ui.webView.page().mainFrame().setScrollBarPolicy(QtCore.Qt.Vertical, QtCore.Qt.ScrollBarAlwaysOn) |
| 12:35.41 | alterego | Good to know |
| 12:38.25 | MohammadAG | http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/libosso/group__Ctrlpanel.html#gc9b3bf1e8d41b938c6616ed05df5ba8f sigh, needs a gpointer |
| 12:39.02 | MohammadAG | s/Code\ less/Reinvent\ the\ wheel\ more/ |
| 12:40.53 | alterego | gpointer is just void* btw |
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| 12:41.28 | alterego | What, what are you doing? plugin_execute or save_state? |
| 12:41.37 | MohammadAG | plugin_execute |
| 12:41.49 | MohammadAG | osso_cp_plugin_execute(osso_context, "libcpfmtx.so", NULL, TRUE); |
| 12:42.01 | alterego | You can just supply NULL, you don't _need_ to supply data .. |
| 12:42.13 | alterego | Oh, wait, yeah you do :D |
| 12:42.32 | alterego | Oh, no you don't. |
| 12:43.19 | MohammadAG | gets confused |
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| 12:45.33 | alterego | You don't. |
| 12:45.41 | alterego | Need it, |
| 12:45.45 | lolloo | last chance. |
| 12:46.02 | alterego | "Type is a gpointer so that the plugin does not need to depend on GTK (in which case it should ignore the parameter)." |
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| 12:46.31 | MohammadAG | so osso_cp_plugin_execute(osso_context, "libcpfmtx.so", NULL, TRUE); should work? |
| 12:46.38 | alterego | Yes |
| 12:46.53 | MohammadAG | pastes his comment |
| 12:46.57 | alterego | _should_ ;) |
| 12:47.08 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:47.09 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:47.37 | alterego | Okay, well, can I see your plugin code? |
| 12:47.49 | MohammadAG | hmm? |
| 12:47.53 | alterego | Because that is probably what is segfaulting .. |
| 12:48.03 | MohammadAG | it's the stock fmtx dialog |
| 12:48.10 | alterego | Oh right, I understand now. |
| 12:48.16 | jacekowski | what are you trying to break? |
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| 12:48.50 | MohammadAG | I'm trying to launch the FMTX dialog from a Qt app |
| 12:49.33 | jacekowski | show me your code |
| 12:50.07 | alterego | You could just load it in Qt without osso cp crap |
| 12:50.09 | MohammadAG | it's only one line ^ |
| 12:50.18 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 12:50.24 | jacekowski | what about osso_initialize? |
| 12:50.27 | alterego | Have you checked you've got a valid osso context? |
| 12:50.49 | MohammadAG | yes, it's in the .h file iirc |
| 12:50.57 | MohammadAG | #ifdef Q_WS_MAEMO_5 |
| 12:51.03 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:51.04 | MohammadAG | #endif |
| 12:51.11 | jacekowski | you have to initialize it |
| 12:51.37 | alterego | And register with osso |
| 12:51.50 | alterego | Personally, I think I'd just load it manually. |
| 12:52.14 | MohammadAG | alterego, how? |
| 12:52.27 | jacekowski | osso_context = osso_initialize("name","1.2.3",NULL,NULL); |
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| 12:52.50 | alterego | MohammadAG: I'll knock you up an example. |
| 12:52.57 | alterego | Saves you having to use osso crap |
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| 12:55.05 | alterego | QLibrary |
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| 12:55.44 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, ty, that worked, but the dialog is orphaned (w/o a parent) |
| 12:56.03 | alterego | QLibrary fmtx("fmtx.so"); (fmtx.resolve("execute_f"))(NULL); |
| 12:56.07 | alterego | Or something. |
| 12:57.21 | MohammadAG | /home/mohammad/scratchbox/mediaplayer-build-maemo/../mediaplayer/nowplayingwindow.cpp:115: error: 'fmtx. QLibrary::resolve(((const char*)"execute_f"))' cannot be used as a function |
| 12:58.31 | alterego | Yeah, that's not what I did is it :P |
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| 12:58.59 | alterego | Also, execute_f isn't the cp plugin function name |
| 12:59.08 | alterego | You'll have to look into it. |
| 13:01.40 | jacekowski | it's just execute |
| 13:03.00 | MohammadAG | that's what strings shows, yes |
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| 13:03.18 | jacekowski | i mean execute |
| 13:03.21 | jacekowski | not execute_f |
| 13:03.43 | alterego | Yeah, it was a placeholder :) |
| 13:04.12 | MohammadAG | error: 'fmtx. QLibrary::resolve(((const char*)"execute"))' cannot be used as a function |
| 13:04.49 | MohammadAG | tries something else |
| 13:05.13 | jacekowski | what would be better |
| 13:05.23 | jacekowski | is single button ON/OFF |
| 13:05.33 | jacekowski | rather than having to click trough menus to enable it |
| 13:06.04 | Jaffa | Af'noon all |
| 13:06.31 | Jaffa | looks forward to getting back to his 'puter in the warmth this afternoon. |
| 13:07.24 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, or a hold button for on/off |
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| 13:08.49 | MohammadAG | which... isn't emitted by QMenuBar |
| 13:09.11 | alterego | Hey Jaffa |
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| 13:09.27 | alterego | is now eating pizza |
| 13:09.49 | Jaffa | We need someone to draw some stylish, freely licensed icons for Omp |
| 13:09.58 | Jaffa | (Open media player ;-)) |
| 13:10.40 | alterego | You mean mohammedia player? |
| 13:10.42 | jacekowski | why? |
| 13:10.54 | Jaffa | alterego: heh |
| 13:10.55 | MohammadAG | grumbles |
| 13:10.55 | jacekowski | look at KDE Oxygen icons |
| 13:11.01 | jacekowski | there is a lot of nice icons there |
| 13:11.10 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, aren't they freely licensed? |
| 13:11.11 | jacekowski | in svg |
| 13:11.26 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: which ones? |
| 13:11.35 | alterego | You're free to use them on Maemo |
| 13:11.37 | MohammadAG | Nokia's |
| 13:11.47 | MohammadAG | well, they're used from Maemo |
| 13:11.53 | Jaffa | jacekowski: And do they have equivalents for all the styles? e.g. the large launch buttons |
| 13:11.56 | alterego | Though I sure no one would care if you used them under meego either. |
| 13:12.02 | MohammadAG | http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/blobs/master/nowplayingwindow.cpp#line4 |
| 13:12.28 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Using the theme's on Maemo will work, but I doubt they're freely licensed (the Nokia ones) for MeeGo |
| 13:12.58 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, easy, chroot /dev/mtd5, load icons, unmount rootfs :P |
| 13:13.28 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Heh :) |
| 13:13.42 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: OK, on MeeGo non-N900 ;-) |
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| 13:14.00 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, load them remotely from Nokia's site :P |
| 13:14.09 | MohammadAG | * Requires internet connection |
| 13:14.31 | MohammadAG | anyways |
| 13:14.53 | alterego | Just do your own :P |
| 13:15.10 | MohammadAG | alterego, does this look right? QString volumeLevel = QDBusInterface("com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer", "/com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer", "com.nokia.mafw.extension", QDBusConnection::sessionBus()).call("get_extension_property", "volume").arguments().first().toInt() |
| 13:15.15 | Jaffa | One of the Fremantle themes might have some for the main screen |
| 13:15.42 | alterego | MohammadAG: looks fine, but I don't know about the dbus paths etc. |
| 13:16.07 | jaska | hmm, guess 64GB microsdxc(3.0, sdhc compatible) cards dont grow on trees :| |
| 13:16.18 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: I'll catch up with you later, if there's anything you want me to do. |
| 13:16.47 | MohammadAG | alterego, dbus-send --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer /com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer com.nokia.mafw.extension.get_extension_property string:volume works, but the code above returns "volume" |
| 13:17.09 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, I really want to get the SSU working, thinking of launching it as is |
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| 13:30.07 | jacekowski | Jaffa: it's svg |
| 13:30.18 | jacekowski | Jaffa: it will scale |
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| 14:13.51 | CaCO3 | What is the essiest way to generate te code for the XB-Maemo-Icon-26? The wiki doesnt really explain that |
| 14:14.17 | jacekowski | it does |
| 14:14.36 | CaCO3 | uuencode? |
| 14:14.41 | CaCO3 | but how? |
| 14:14.54 | jacekowski | there is ready command for it |
| 14:14.56 | jacekowski | just copy&paste |
| 14:15.01 | jacekowski | and replace filenames |
| 14:15.33 | CaCO3 | hmm, then i look on the wrong page: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/manuals/4-0-x/creating_a_debian_package/ |
| 14:15.37 | CaCO3 | or I am blind :( |
| 14:15.38 | jacekowski | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_packaging#Displaying_an_icon_in_the_Application_Manager_next_to_your_package |
| 14:16.05 | jacekowski | you're looking at wrong page |
| 14:16.11 | CaCO3 | alright, thanks, i will update the wiki |
| 14:16.13 | CaCO3 | thanks |
| 14:16.51 | CaCO3 | ups, i just see that google lead me to the old maemo 4 page :( |
| 14:18.36 | MohammadAG | alterego, any idea what's causing a segfault here? http://pastebin.com/Ftt7rahN |
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| 14:19.40 | jacekowski | you should really invest into debugger |
| 14:19.51 | jacekowski | compile it with -g |
| 14:19.54 | jacekowski | and run it on gdb |
| 14:20.03 | jacekowski | it will at least tell you line where there is a problem |
| 14:20.12 | MohammadAG | I know, but it's kinda borked for some reason |
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| 14:20.59 | MohammadAG | weird, it just worked :/ |
| 14:23.13 | alterego | Heh |
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| 14:37.31 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: What're the current SSU problems? Did you catch up with m-vo? |
| 14:38.01 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, yes, I think he's busy atm |
| 14:43.55 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, same situation as before |
| 14:44.05 | MohammadAG | does lag increase on sundays? |
| 14:45.17 | MohammadAG | alterego, do you by any chance know what the button used in GTK dialogs is in Qt? |
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| 14:53.59 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Lag definitely increases on Sundays. |
| 14:54.26 | lardman | afternoon chaps |
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| 14:55.35 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: So, I forget: upgrades don't work after initial install in HAM? |
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| 15:23.15 | qhubekela | hi all :) |
| 15:24.30 | qhubekela | i am using a CDMA modem for Internet on my laptop, and would like to know if the instructions on http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking would work for such a setup. (I do not have N900 yet) |
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| 15:26.52 | qhubekela | or if it works via LAN connections only :-/ |
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| 15:35.36 | DocScrutinizer | qhubekela: I guess you need to elaborate what exactly you mean by "such a setup" |
| 15:36.35 | DocScrutinizer | qhubekela: quite obviously the instructions about N900_USB_networking aren't applicable to a setup consisting of your PC and a CDMA modem |
| 15:37.01 | qhubekela | oh.. thank you. |
| 15:37.11 | qhubekela | so it must be LAN? |
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| 15:38.09 | DocScrutinizer | *sigh* |
| 15:38.17 | qhubekela | is there another way to access Internet on N900 through USB cable? |
| 15:38.35 | DocScrutinizer | what is it you want to do? |
| 15:39.58 | qhubekela | i'm actually a newbie. i would like to use internet on N900, but have no access to wifi and gprs charges are too high |
| 15:40.13 | lcuk | qhubekela, most people do it the other way round: using the n900+its sim as main internet connection and then tethering laptop to it by various means |
| 15:40.13 | Necc | then buy a wifi adapter |
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| 15:40.28 | DocScrutinizer | ok, so you want to share your PC's internet connection to your N900 |
| 15:40.50 | qhubekela | DocScrutinizer, yes, internet connection sharing |
| 15:41.14 | Necc | buy a goddamn wifi adapter or use your laptop's wifi |
| 15:41.53 | Necc | i'm striked by the same questions locally over and over again, and i can not belive that buying a wifi adapter is so impossible... |
| 15:42.35 | qhubekela | i think i shall go for wifi |
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| 15:43.06 | lolloo | buy Usb wireless |
| 15:43.10 | lolloo | cheap |
| 15:43.16 | lcuk | qhubekela, i tether n900 to my laptop using usb and pc suite mode |
| 15:43.46 | RST38h | pc suite? the horror! |
| 15:43.49 | lcuk | the n900 is the modem for internet tho |
| 15:44.04 | lcuk | only the mode RST38h :P |
| 15:45.29 | qhubekela | i'm still new to linux, but i seem to understand that ppp can be used to share internet connections. |
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| 15:48.48 | DocScrutinizer | qhubekela: from that networking wiki page: ""the N900 should be able to use the PC internet connection immediately."" |
| 15:49.11 | DocScrutinizer | of course after doing all the needed setup described there |
| 15:50.27 | qhubekela | thanks DocScrutinizer. dumb me :-[ |
| 15:50.28 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: once again the question is how to do it the other way round, tether the PC to N900 |
| 15:50.47 | qhubekela | now it is all clear :) |
| 15:51.00 | DocScrutinizer | the absolute far #1 in FAQ |
| 15:55.10 | DocScrutinizer | also ""To use the Internet connection of your Mac via USB networking make sure to enable System Preferences -> Sharing -> Internet sharing for the N900 interface Howto "" |
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| 16:15.37 | lardman | could have sworn I thought I did before I went out to buy xmas tree lights |
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| 16:39.58 | alanon_maemo | is exist opened-sorce software to keep sober? |
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| 16:41.12 | Jaffa | alanon_maemo: Set an alarm for 5 minutes which says "Don't have another"? |
| 16:41.59 | alanon_maemo | Jaffa: good one! if only it was so easy |
| 16:42.05 | zogg_ | Ñ
ммм |
| 16:42.08 | zogg_ | hmm* |
| 16:42.20 | lardman | One of those home automation systems that locks the fridge when it decides you've had enough beer? |
| 16:42.39 | alanon_maemo | lardman: now were talkin! |
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| 16:43.36 | lcuk | passes jaffa a guinness |
| 16:43.43 | zogg_ | Jaffa, MohammadAG, DocScrutinizer lardman https://github.com/kstep/dbuscron - is cron like dbus event system made for maemo5 =) |
| 16:44.13 | zogg_ | http://kstep.me/download/69 - .deb if someone is interested |
| 16:44.47 | DocScrutinizer | zogg_: hmm, interesting. |
| 16:45.01 | lardman | I'd like optional location notifications too |
| 16:45.06 | alanon_maemo | anyway forgetting about my alcohol problems, I've been lurking around the maemo forums lately and I've noticed that there are tons of threads about various methods to optimize an n900 |
| 16:45.37 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: that's disjunct to cron though |
| 16:45.42 | Jaffa | lcuk: I can resist Guiness. Unless it's at the Storehouse ;-) |
| 16:45.46 | zogg_ | DocScrutinizer, he has announcment on one of the russian sites, asked him to make it on TMO as well |
| 16:45.52 | alanon_maemo | I remember on the n800 the 1 thing that actually made a real difference was ramzswap / compcache |
| 16:45.59 | lcuk | :) i found out guinness was infact delicious at the storehouse |
| 16:46.09 | Jaffa | Better than I remembered it. |
| 16:46.11 | lcuk | it took a whole museum and shared experience to do it! |
| 16:46.15 | Jaffa | Like a slightly thicker Boddies |
| 16:46.18 | lardman | DocScrutinizer: but similar app, just in a different dimension |
| 16:46.22 | lardman | (s) |
| 16:46.25 | DocScrutinizer | zogg_: I wonder why I'd need that though |
| 16:46.28 | lcuk | prior to going my only guinness trial was warm regular can |
| 16:47.19 | lardman | kicks himself again for not being able to make it to Dublin to drink real Guinness |
| 16:47.28 | zogg_ | DocScrutinizer in his examples he used it to notify of operator name change or for auto internet connection change(can be used in options for example), or to stop music if phoneheads are out |
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| 16:47.57 | zogg_ | ⥠netsplits |
| 16:48.07 | DocScrutinizer | zogg_: huh? what's that got to do with cron? |
| 16:48.15 | alanon_maemo | zogg: what are netsplits? |
| 16:48.55 | zogg_ | DocScrutinizer it's liek cron but on dbus events |
| 16:49.00 | zogg_ | do that if that |
| 16:49.22 | lardman | alanon_maemo: when loads of people leave, then rejoin due to the hosts going mad or somesuch |
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| 16:50.13 | alanon_maemo | oh. thanks |
| 16:50.36 | zogg_ | alanon_maemo if you conected to one server and others to other but they are synced as one irc server, when they unsynced (one disconnects for example) than they offline for eachother but still online for themselves |
| 16:50.46 | zogg_ | wow it's hard to understand what i said |
| 16:51.22 | alanon_maemo | my head is spinning about now! |
| 16:51.31 | alanon_maemo | oh well |
| 16:51.34 | lardman | that's the alcohol! |
| 16:51.58 | alanon_maemo | just wonderin', how is crondbus different from dbus-scripts? |
| 16:52.10 | zogg_ | that's the power of knowledge |
| 16:52.14 | alanon_maemo | *dbuscron |
| 16:52.26 | zogg_ | alanon_maemo, when it's centralized |
| 16:52.42 | zogg_ | you need to change config instead of having thousand scripts |
| 16:52.44 | alanon_maemo | whats centralized? |
| 16:53.32 | ZogG | when it's in one place - one script |
| 16:53.35 | alanon_maemo | meaning all triggers would be stored in one file |
| 16:53.37 | ZogG | big one for everything |
| 16:53.44 | alanon_maemo | gotcha |
| 16:53.47 | ZogG | you just give the parametrs |
| 16:53.54 | ZogG | kinda of |
| 16:54.11 | alanon_maemo | newb alert question: is there a GUI for it? |
| 16:54.43 | ZogG | it's also config when it's easier to give parametrs instead of writting script |
| 16:55.18 | ZogG | alanon_maemo, nope, but i think it can be done and be used for custom setting manager for example in SSU |
| 16:55.45 | alanon_maemo | ok, thanks! |
| 16:57.59 | DocScrutinizer | zogg_: sorry, the term "like cron but on dbus events" doesn't make sense to me. I am using dbus-scripts pkg since long time, it can execute arbitrary cmds on dbus-events matching a filter expression. That's abolutely unrelated to what crond is doing though. |
| 16:58.27 | SpeedEvil | dbus event for timer-tick, and sufficiently flexible patterns! |
| 16:58.44 | DocScrutinizer | what? |
| 16:58.51 | SpeedEvil | nvm |
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| 17:01.51 | alanon_maemo | so is it possible to have ramzswap on n900 with similar performance boosts as on the n8x0's? |
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| 17:02.32 | ZogG | Jaffa, thanks for tweet on @mwkn |
| 17:02.39 | alanon_maemo | do any other mobile os's use ramzswap / compcache ? |
| 17:03.16 | DocScrutinizer | errrr, now while noticing ZogG answered my questions to zogg_, I start to think dbuscron has the "advantage" it doesn't allow multiple files to handle separate events. dbus-scripts also can use one large file holding all trigger definitions and the actions to take on them |
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| 17:04.53 | DocScrutinizer | the filter patterns in dbus-scripts though are quite a bit restricted |
| 17:05.29 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer i'll give you example from his config |
| 17:05.45 | DocScrutinizer | iirc one of the parameter fields of a usual dbus msg isn't available at all in dbus-scripts for filtering |
| 17:06.48 | ZogG | S signal * org.freedesktop.Hal.Manager /org/freedesktop/Hal/Manager DeviceRemoved * * run-standalone.sh /opt/userscripts/mpcontrol.sh stop |
| 17:06.53 | DocScrutinizer | which I'd consider a flaw |
| 17:07.20 | DocScrutinizer | looks like dbus-scripting |
| 17:07.37 | ZogG | still i find it's usefull |
| 17:07.51 | ZogG | as something in one place.. |
| 17:08.04 | ZogG | from here you can use gui for settings =) |
| 17:08.05 | DocScrutinizer | so dbus scripting can do that as well |
| 17:08.36 | ZogG | meh |
| 17:08.41 | DocScrutinizer | sorry I miss to see *any* advantage in this ill-named tool |
| 17:08.41 | ZogG | you are so anti =) |
| 17:09.48 | DocScrutinizer | the only "advantage" you told so far is in fact a regression from dbus-scripts |
| 17:10.05 | Jaffa | ZogG: No probs. If you get a better announcement, feel free to poke me or GAN900 with a link this evening |
| 17:16.36 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: a dbus-scripts example for you |
| 17:16.41 | DocScrutinizer | # Example: to act on WLAN interface state changes use: |
| 17:16.43 | DocScrutinizer | #/some/script * * com.nokia.icd status_changed * WLAN_INFRA |
| 17:16.44 | DocScrutinizer | # In /some/script, $5 will be the interface name and $7 the new state (IDLE, CONNECTED, etc.) |
| 17:17.53 | DocScrutinizer | also: |
| 17:17.56 | DocScrutinizer | # Each line of these files represents a filter to call a script. |
| 17:18.32 | DocScrutinizer | so you can have all trigger definitions in one file as well. But you don't NEED to have only one file |
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| 17:24.59 | DocScrutinizer | and this one plays a swoosh sound on every slide-out of kbd - like startrek original series communicators: |
| 17:25.03 | DocScrutinizer | #:soundonslide |
| 17:25.05 | DocScrutinizer | /etc/dbus-scripts-scripts/playswoosh * * org.freedesktop.Hal.Device Condition ButtonPressed cover |
| 17:27.19 | ZogG | Jaffa i didn't write that, so don't want to take a credit, want from author to announce it and as well to involve him to tmo |
| 17:28.53 | Jaffa | ZogG: Not claiming you did. But if you don't poke me the link, it won't make tonight's MWKN |
| 17:29.17 | Jaffa | And we'll probably not cover it twice unless the homepage contained all sorts of cool exmaples. |
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| 17:30.17 | DocScrutinizer | wonders why "we" cover it at all, considering it's a cover version :-D |
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| 17:36.49 | Senkrad_Luna | Looking for a bit of direction. On Fedora 14 64-bit and looking to upgrade my n900 from 1.2 to 1.3. Anyone here managed this? I've gone as far trying to build virtual 32-bit desktops to get around the problem. |
| 17:39.31 | alterego | Just run flasher .. |
| 17:39.34 | SpeedEvil | ~flashing |
| 17:39.35 | infobot | flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 17:40.18 | Senkrad_Luna | I've tried but I am having trouble getting around the need for libusb and can't remember what path I took last time to find the solution |
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| 17:40.50 | alterego | erm |
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| 17:43.06 | Senkrad_Luna | flasher-3.5: error while loading shared libraries: libusb-0.1.so.4: cannot open shared object file |
| 17:44.07 | Senkrad_Luna | libusb is installed so I thing it is a 64-bit vs 32-bit os issue |
| 17:44.15 | Senkrad_Luna | s/thing/think |
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| 17:45.23 | alterego | hmmm |
| 17:45.35 | alterego | Well, I'd use a vm then |
| 17:46.03 | alterego | I personally use ubuntu 64bit and know that works with lib32 support installed |
| 17:46.07 | lardman | wasn't there a static build available? |
| 17:46.25 | alterego | lardman: I thought it was a static build ;) |
| 17:46.39 | javispedro | fedora teoratically has multilib, so you just need to find for libusb.i386 in the repos |
| 17:47.13 | Senkrad_Luna | Thanks for all of that. Back in a bit. |
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| 17:50.21 | timeless_webchat | hello world |
| 17:50.29 | timeless_webchat | is trying to update from pr1.2 to pr1.3 ota |
| 17:50.33 | timeless_webchat | ham isn't offering me the update |
| 17:50.45 | timeless_webchat | (system software updates repository is disabled) |
| 17:50.51 | timeless_webchat | supposes that might be relevant... |
| 17:51.04 | lardman | hmm, I can't run python2.5 in sb, anyone seen that before? |
| 17:52.04 | javispedro | you mean it always runs 2.3 instead, or some error msg? |
| 17:52.17 | lardman | no, can't seem to find python2.5 - see this: |
| 17:52.26 | lardman | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: /usr/bin] > ls -rtl /usr/bin/python2.5 |
| 17:52.26 | lardman | -rwxr-xr-x 1 simon 1000 1028632 May 17 2010 /usr/bin/python2.5 |
| 17:52.26 | lardman | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: /usr/bin] > /usr/bin/python2.5 |
| 17:52.26 | lardman | bash: /usr/bin/python2.5: No such file or directory |
| 17:52.46 | Senkrad_Luna | Thanks all I am past the hurdle. I just needed to turn off the filter for native packages and there it was. Seems like it will work. |
| 17:52.58 | javispedro | lardman: maybe it's symlink to nonexisting /opt or sth like that |
| 17:53.07 | lardman | sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > file /usr/bin/python2.5 |
| 17:53.07 | lardman | /usr/bin/python2.5: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 17:54.29 | javispedro | lardman: can you md5sum it? also try to run any other armel binary, like ... maemo-summoner |
| 17:54.47 | lardman | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.07 | alterego | hrm |
| 17:55.12 | javispedro | so qemu-arm broke |
| 17:55.16 | lardman | hmm |
| 17:55.24 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Noted. |
| 17:55.26 | lardman | I installed the Meego tools yesterday, seems that was a mistake |
| 17:55.35 | alterego | Heh |
| 17:55.56 | javispedro | lardman: /scratchbox/devkits/qemu/bin/qemu-arm-sb exists? |
| 17:56.11 | javispedro | lardman: and is it configured as cputransp? (check with sb-conf show FREMANTLE_ARMEL) |
| 17:56.24 | lardman | first one exists, checking the second |
| 17:56.42 | lardman | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > sb-conf show FREMANTLE_ARMEL |
| 17:56.42 | lardman | Compiler: cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 |
| 17:56.42 | lardman | Devkits: perl debian-etch qemu doctools svn git |
| 17:56.43 | lardman | CPU-transparency: /scratchbox/devkits/qemu/bin/qemu-arm-sb |
| 17:56.54 | javispedro | ... looks fine. |
| 17:57.40 | javispedro | I'd check if strace says anything interesting |
| 17:57.54 | lardman | no, can't find the file |
| 17:57.55 | javispedro | maybe meego-tools put something in PATH or the like |
| 17:58.07 | javispedro | can't find "strace"? |
| 17:58.19 | lardman | strace works, can't find e.g. python2.5 |
| 17:58.25 | lardman | even with a full path to the binary |
| 17:59.07 | lardman | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > strace /usr/bin/python2.5 |
| 17:59.07 | lardman | execve("/usr/bin/python2.5", ["/usr/bin/python2.5"], [/* 47 vars */]) = 0 |
| 17:59.07 | lardman | strace: exec: No such file or directory |
| 17:59.49 | javispedro | can you run qemu-arm-sb manually? |
| 18:00.25 | lardman | yeah, if I give the full path |
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| 18:00.56 | javispedro | and it runs python2.5? |
| 18:01.15 | lardman | dunno, it just spits out into about what it is, doesn't actually start |
| 18:01.24 | javispedro | qemu-arm-sb /usr/bin/python2.5 |
| 18:01.43 | javispedro | (btw I do not need to give the full path to qemu-arb-sb, maybe that tells something) |
| 18:02.39 | lardman | if I do that, it can't find qemu-arm-sb firstly, and secondly I get an error: |
| 18:02.47 | lardman | Error -1 while loading /usr/bin/python2.5 |
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| 18:03.25 | javispedro | lardman: http://maemo.pastebin.com/sNyJr6nb |
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| 18:04.42 | javispedro | (qemu-arm-sb being in /scratchbox/devkits/qemu/bin) |
| 18:04.52 | lardman | is that PATH within sb? |
| 18:05.01 | javispedro | yep |
| 18:05.06 | lardman | ok hang on a tick |
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| 18:06.42 | lardman | http://maemo.pastebin.com/RF0ByYVi |
| 18:07.03 | javispedro | wow, so qemu-arm-sb is on PATH. |
| 18:07.30 | lardman | inside sb |
| 18:07.45 | javispedro | yep. yet the shell can't find it. |
| 18:07.56 | lardman | that was outside |
| 18:07.59 | lardman | sorry |
| 18:07.59 | javispedro | aaa |
| 18:08.14 | javispedro | =) |
| 18:08.29 | lardman | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > qemu-arm-sb /usr/bin/python2.5 |
| 18:08.29 | lardman | Python 2.5.4 (r254:67916, May 17 2010, 21:00:32) |
| 18:08.29 | lardman | [GCC 4.2.1] on linux2 |
| 18:08.29 | lardman | Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. |
| 18:08.29 | lardman | >>> |
| 18:08.33 | lardman | that works inside |
| 18:08.45 | javispedro | this rings a belll |
| 18:09.02 | lardman | I had assumed that the whole thing was running in qemu, hence trying to run outside, apologies |
| 18:09.28 | javispedro | ls /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc |
| 18:09.57 | lardman | outside? |
| 18:10.02 | javispedro | yep, sorry =) |
| 18:10.08 | lardman | np ;) |
| 18:10.08 | javispedro | probably you will have some meego stuff there. |
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| 18:10.34 | lardman | http://maemo.pastebin.com/0YWNVTRP |
| 18:11.11 | javispedro | yeah, qemu-arm :( |
| 18:11.49 | lardman | when I want qemu-arm-sb ? |
| 18:11.55 | javispedro | sbox-arm afaik |
| 18:11.59 | lardman | ok |
| 18:12.09 | lardman | any ideas other than to uninstall the Meego stuff? |
| 18:12.17 | javispedro | if it came with an init.d script, stop it |
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| 18:12.27 | lardman | not sure, will look |
| 18:13.22 | javispedro | for a start try "echo -1 > /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/qemu-arm" |
| 18:14.09 | lardman | hmm |
| 18:14.09 | lardman | simon@simon-desktop:~$ sudo echo -1 > /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/qemu-arm |
| 18:14.10 | lardman | bash: /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/qemu-arm: Permission denied |
| 18:14.21 | javispedro | use sudo -s |
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| 18:14.25 | lardman | ah |
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| 18:14.36 | lardman | same |
| 18:14.51 | javispedro | I mean, use sudo -s, drop to a shell, and run echo there |
| 18:15.03 | javispedro | what you wrote above is equivalent to (sudo echo -1) > /proc... |
| 18:15.12 | javispedro | only echo runs as root, which is not what you want :) |
| 18:15.15 | lardman | ok |
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| 18:15.32 | javispedro | btw this really ought to be documented somewhere |
| 18:15.51 | javispedro | keywords would be binfmt_misc scratchbox qemu meego or the like |
| 18:15.57 | lardman | ok, that now works |
| 18:16.15 | javispedro | and python runs? |
| 18:16.15 | lardman | looks like it's a problem with the Meego image builder which installs qemu-arm-static |
| 18:16.35 | lardman | that's what I saw when I cat'd /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/qemu-arm before doing the echo |
| 18:16.36 | lardman | yes |
| 18:16.51 | javispedro | there will be a init.d script somewhere (maybe called qemu-static?) |
| 18:17.09 | javispedro | stopping it should help |
| 18:17.43 | lardman | http://maemo.pastebin.com/ahCFxCMB |
| 18:17.46 | lardman | can't see it |
| 18:18.00 | javispedro | outside :) |
| 18:18.07 | lardman | yep, just realised that :) |
| 18:18.56 | lardman | http://maemo.pastebin.com/87WdCLJU |
| 18:19.16 | lardman | binfmt-support? |
| 18:19.44 | javispedro | ah, |
| 18:20.13 | javispedro | fedora? maybe they have some central registration of binfmt stuff |
| 18:20.21 | lardman | Ubuntu |
| 18:21.10 | javispedro | might be, dunno. |
| 18:21.25 | jacekowski | ehhh |
| 18:21.27 | javispedro | I do know that sbox registers the stuff by its own, in a potentially distro-unfriendly |
| 18:21.28 | jacekowski | sudo echo > blah |
| 18:21.32 | jacekowski | isn't going to work |
| 18:21.40 | javispedro | *way. |
| 18:22.01 | jacekowski | sudo bash -c "echo blah > blah" |
| 18:22.28 | jacekowski | but hmm, i've just read you already said that |
| 18:24.22 | lardman | thanks anyway javispedro |
| 18:24.37 | lardman | I can add that echo -1 line to my SB startup stuff |
| 18:25.01 | javispedro | it will break meego tools until you reboot though |
| 18:25.10 | lardman | yeah that's ok, I can live with that |
| 18:25.27 | javispedro | still thinks this ought to be documented somewhere, but can't find it |
| 18:25.32 | javispedro | should be pretty common |
| 18:25.36 | lardman | do let me know if you find it |
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| 18:25.54 | lardman | I guess I should also add a bug for the image building setup to let people know |
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| 18:30.07 | timeless_webchat | sighs |
| 18:30.17 | timeless_webchat | accidentally hurts the wrong n900 |
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| 18:30.22 | timeless_webchat | has 3 sitting on the table |
| 18:30.29 | Proteous | so mean |
| 18:30.52 | Proteous | I'm sure the other 2 are shivering in fear over their pending doom |
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| 18:42.55 | javispedro | is tempted to answer "what the hell are you smoking?" to a tmoer, but refrains for now |
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| 18:44.22 | GAN900 | javispedro, good stuff, usually. |
| 18:44.47 | MohammadAG | javispedro, link? :P |
| 18:44.49 | BCMM_ | javispedro: to one specific one as opposed to all of them that aren't also here? |
| 18:45.54 | javispedro | well, I usually say nothing when they smash the keyboard with retarded political stuff (as I sometimes do that, too), but completely nonsense tech stuff? |
| 18:46.05 | javispedro | MohammadAG: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=895388&postcount=835 |
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| 18:47.28 | Jay_BEE | good morning (ugt) |
| 18:47.37 | javispedro | morning |
| 18:48.30 | BCMM_ | "... from the weak gstreamer to something more powerful like MAFW..." - lol. |
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| 18:49.29 | MohammadAG | javispedro, isn't that... your changelog? |
| 18:50.00 | javispedro | MohammadAG: the * lines are. the rest is his interpretation of it. |
| 18:50.03 | BCMM_ | ... followed by confused commentary |
| 18:50.18 | BCMM_ | oh wow, Farooq is in the thread... |
| 18:50.28 | javispedro | nearly every line causes me to say wtf. |
| 18:50.33 | MohammadAG | isn't MAFW like ... a wrapper for gstreamer? |
| 18:50.52 | lardman | doesn't have to be, but in our case yes |
| 18:52.08 | javispedro | "ID error"? "Not implemented" is a bug? "-dbg is mandatory"????? You need a .so to fix "-dbg is mandatory"????????? |
| 18:52.17 | javispedro | "EXternal Forced Buffering"??? |
| 18:53.44 | MohammadAG | javispedro, he obviously knows more than we do |
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| 19:07.53 | Sknix | BR? |
| 19:08.58 | Sknix | algum brasileiro? |
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| 19:34.16 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, File manager dialog is locked because you have no other compatible file manager |
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| 19:34.42 | DocScrutinizer | aaah |
| 19:35.24 | DocScrutinizer | anyway the broken mount button definitely is 100% related to enabling the "open filemanager" option |
| 19:35.28 | MohammadAG | (filebox for now) |
| 19:35.44 | MohammadAG | weird, it works fine for me :/ |
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| 19:39.13 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I'll test it on my classmate's device on tuesday |
| 19:39.45 | alterego | What the F .. |
| 19:39.46 | DocScrutinizer | I'd check the code, to find where it's linked |
| 19:39.47 | alterego | pmo has gone nuts again. |
| 19:40.14 | MohammadAG | pmo? |
| 19:40.31 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer it's a normal script in /opt/h-e-n |
| 19:40.33 | alterego | planet.maemo.org |
| 19:40.41 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 19:40.44 | DocScrutinizer | yes, but it's not even called |
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| 19:41.19 | MohammadAG | sigh |
| 19:41.28 | DocScrutinizer | it's not the script that has problems. It's the button |
| 19:41.33 | MohammadAG | ever had that stupid feeling when you realize your sshing into your own PC |
| 19:41.49 | MohammadAG | oh, the GUI? |
| 19:42.14 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 19:42.45 | DocScrutinizer | the button doesn't call the script - nada niente null |
| 19:43.40 | alterego | I'm always ssh'ing into my own computers :P |
| 19:43.44 | DocScrutinizer | it however switches on the unmount button |
| 19:44.21 | MohammadAG | alterego, even localhost? :P |
| 19:44.31 | alterego | I do on the N900 |
| 19:44.35 | alterego | it's how I gain root |
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| 19:45.38 | MohammadAG | heh |
| 19:45.48 | MohammadAG | uses scp on localhost to get a progress bar |
| 19:46.02 | alterego | Hah |
| 19:46.21 | RST38h | Mohammad: Midnight Commander. |
| 19:46.50 | MohammadAG | RST38h, or filebox, but sometimes I need to do stuff quickly |
| 19:50.57 | luke-jr | libtool: link: armv7a-unknown-linux-gnueabi-gcc -mcpu=cortex-a8 -pipe -mfpu=neon -mfloat-abi=softfp --param ggc-min-expand=0 --param ggc-min-heapsize=32768 -DHAVE_ERRNO_AS_DEFINE=1 -fno-strict-aliasing -DUNIV_LINUX -DUNIV_LINUX -Wl,-O1 -Wl,--no-keep-memory -Wl,--reduce-memory-overheads -Wl,-O1 -Wl,-S -rdynamic -o hp_test1 hp_test1.o -Wl,--as-needed ./.libs/libheap.a -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread - |
| 19:50.58 | luke-jr | lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread ../../mysys/.libs/libmysys.a -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread ../../dbug/.libs/libdbug.a -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread ../../strings/.libs/libmystrings.a -lpthread -lpthread - |
| 19:51.00 | luke-jr | lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lcrypt -lnsl -lm -lpthread |
| 19:51.01 | luke-jr | lolwut |
| 19:51.03 | luke-jr | ouch, freenode split that |
| 19:51.15 | javispedro | lols |
| 19:51.21 | luke-jr | but seriously, something is obsessed w/ pthread |
| 19:51.22 | RST38h | you mean you really wanted us to see it whole? |
| 19:51.45 | javispedro | luke-jr: how many chars? |
| 19:51.47 | luke-jr | RST38h: I mean it didn't look quite *that* long |
| 19:51.50 | luke-jr | javispedro: nfc |
| 19:52.03 | RST38h | evening javispedro |
| 19:53.26 | javispedro | remooo |
| 19:53.42 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: nah, your code has many threads |
| 19:53.49 | luke-jr | not my code |
| 19:53.55 | luke-jr | I think part of MySQL |
| 19:54.06 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 19:54.11 | javispedro | I guess this is what happens when everyone thinks |
| 19:54.19 | javispedro | "well, adding -lpthread to CFLAGS never hurt anyone" |
| 19:54.28 | javispedro | *LDLIBS |
| 19:54.31 | RST38h | zombie box showing "Alexander" |
| 19:54.49 | RST38h | I do think we will end up legalizing gladiator battles at the end. |
| 19:54.56 | DocScrutinizer | you oughta feel happy it doesn't include the whole math lib for each single increment |
| 19:56.45 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: some of my software uses a minimum 20 threads :p |
| 19:57.35 | DocScrutinizer | would be interesting to see the libtool cmdline for a forkbomb X-D |
| 19:58.10 | nox- | http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2010/12/12/android-will-be-using-ext4-starting-with-gingerbread/ |
| 19:58.37 | luke-jr | what kind of idiots make the decisions for Android? |
| 19:58.42 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: btw it's your IRC client, not freenode, that does the splitting. Freenode would simply cut off aiui |
| 19:58.54 | javispedro | what fs does android currently use? |
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| 19:58.59 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: FreeNode instructs the client how to handle long lines |
| 19:59.07 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 19:59.22 | e-yes | thunk.org... |
| 19:59.32 | e-yes | ah. yeah. official google's blog |
| 19:59.33 | DocScrutinizer | well, not exactly. It tells client about max line length |
| 19:59.52 | RST38h | nox: another few iterations and they will start using semi-complete Linux installation! |
| 20:00.13 | nox- | semi-complete? :) |
| 20:01.25 | e-yes | apt-get install android |
| 20:01.57 | MohammadAG | ext4 on a flash? |
| 20:02.04 | DocScrutinizer | apt-get --force-reinstal install void |
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| 20:03.32 | RST38h | Mohammad: Ah, I am sure it started with "wouldn't it be nice..." |
| 20:03.45 | javispedro | well |
| 20:03.51 | cehteh | works for me :P |
| 20:03.53 | javispedro | I kinda remember android was already using ext3 |
| 20:04.04 | javispedro | so ext4 vs ext3... actually ext4 seems kinda logical. |
| 20:04.23 | cehteh | ext4 on the n900 gives a quite noticeable performance improvement |
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| 20:04.55 | luke-jr | but ext3/4 journal is suicide |
| 20:04.55 | RST38h | cehteh: in which scenarios? |
| 20:05.20 | luke-jr | I suppose with the battery and a case-opened warning it could be made safe tho |
| 20:05.40 | luke-jr | by "safe" I of course also mean "inefficient, but no damage" |
| 20:05.41 | cehteh | luke-jr: i have that since february or so and no problems (not even unclean filesystems) |
| 20:05.56 | luke-jr | cehteh: the problem is when you do have unclean fs |
| 20:06.05 | luke-jr | if there's a journal, it's probably wrong |
| 20:06.25 | cehteh | i dont care, it works well enough for me |
| 20:06.32 | luke-jr | using a journal also means it's slower and does more wear ofc |
| 20:06.47 | cehteh | oand hey ... even flash can implement barriers and checkpointng .. just a question if they d |
| 20:06.55 | MohammadAG | Does anyone know what the Qt equivalent of these two buttons (Save and Devices) is in Qt? http://i55.tinypic.com/fjdds2.jpg |
| 20:06.57 | luke-jr | cehteh: the thing is, when/if you ever fail to unmount cleanly, you're at high risk for data corruption |
| 20:07.10 | cehteh | the wear from journal is neglectible |
| 20:07.27 | MohammadAG | s/in Qt// |
| 20:07.28 | luke-jr | the speed/wear issue is meaningless compared to the risk of data corruption |
| 20:07.40 | cehteh | do the math .. the journal is tiny and slowly written (i have commit=600) |
| 20:08.27 | cehteh | in contrast i had some bad experiences with real SSDs recently ... |
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| 20:09.16 | cehteh | the ssd firmware destroyed even unmounted partitions when it did its wear-leveling/garbagge collection or whatever. .. crap new bugs... |
| 20:09.31 | cehteh | now i ordered a much more expensive brand ssd :P |
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| 20:11.16 | alterego | I really need to come up with a better way to manage my data .. |
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| 20:11.40 | jacekowski | store it in /dev/null |
| 20:11.47 | jacekowski | and read it from /dev/urandom |
| 20:11.48 | alterego | Heh |
| 20:12.13 | javispedro | given enough time you can always recover all data you lost |
| 20:13.46 | alterego | :) |
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| 20:18.07 | MohammadAG | QDialogButtonBox, if anyone wants to use it |
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| 20:19.50 | alterego | ? |
| 20:20.47 | MohammadAG | alterego, <MohammadAG> Does anyone know what the Qt equivalent of these two buttons (Save and Devices) is in Qt? http://i55.tinypic.com/fjdds2.jpg |
| 20:22.18 | alterego | Yes |
| 20:22.22 | alterego | Okay ;) |
| 20:22.38 | alterego | I might implement my "Devices" button actually .. |
| 20:22.46 | MohammadAG | http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/blobs/master/internetradiowindow.cpp#line68 |
| 20:23.10 | javispedro | args |
| 20:23.14 | alterego | You really need to change the project name to mohammediaplayer :P |
| 20:23.19 | MohammadAG | Arrrg |
| 20:23.22 | javispedro | MohammadAG: you're calling osso_initialize more than once! |
| 20:23.33 | alterego | Heh |
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| 20:24.17 | MohammadAG | alterego, you know, MeeGo's player isn't all that good :P |
| 20:24.30 | alterego | Should make it better then :P |
| 20:24.46 | MohammadAG | javispedro, got that part, should deinitialize it |
| 20:24.55 | javispedro | actually.. |
| 20:25.03 | javispedro | since you're very probably going to need it elsewhere |
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| 20:25.09 | javispedro | you should init once per program |
| 20:25.15 | javispedro | then keep it around |
| 20:25.25 | javispedro | s/per program/at startup |
| 20:25.45 | javispedro | also, I wonder if MaemoQT doesn't do that for you already? (no idea) |
| 20:26.36 | MohammadAG | tbh, I was thinking of getting rid of the whole osso crap |
| 20:26.42 | MohammadAG | (without using QLibrary) |
| 20:26.49 | javispedro | osso crap! |
| 20:26.52 | MohammadAG | maybe a rewrite of the whole dialog |
| 20:26.52 | javispedro | hits MohammadAG |
| 20:27.06 | MohammadAG | cries |
| 20:27.50 | MohammadAG | after all, calling it in portrait mode flips the device to landscape mode |
| 20:27.51 | javispedro | Qt must handle some of this. How do you prevent your app running twice in Qt? |
| 20:28.19 | MohammadAG | you don't |
| 20:28.24 | MohammadAG | dbus handles that |
| 20:28.46 | javispedro | dbus doesn't handle that unless you reserve your name on the bus, which is exactly what osso_initialize does on a hildon app |
| 20:29.12 | MohammadAG | no idea then |
| 20:29.27 | javispedro | so if it's transparent for Qt apps then it is calling osso_initialize for you then, there has to be a way to get the context from QApplication I guess. |
| 20:29.29 | MohammadAG | but again, thinking of rewriting it |
| 20:29.32 | alterego | QApplication has support |
| 20:29.43 | alterego | for single instances |
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| 20:30.29 | javispedro | googles for code |
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| 20:30.59 | comawhite | alterego: not out of the box |
| 20:31.21 | comawhite | alterego: there was a Qt Solution for singleton support of an application |
| 20:31.46 | GAN900 | I'm so tired of Android commercials. |
| 20:31.54 | alterego | Oh, well, I just remember Venemo telling me about it as e uses it for sticky notes. |
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| 20:32.04 | comawhite | GAN900: I don't get them much where I live |
| 20:32.08 | RST38h | GAN: Turn the zombie box off. |
| 20:32.12 | alterego | GAN900: I'm sick of iPhone and iPad adverts .. |
| 20:32.22 | alterego | I swear there's about 2 per break .. |
| 20:32.24 | comawhite | I've only seen like 3 total of iPhone |
| 20:32.31 | RST38h | is kinda tired of suggesting this easy, logical way of action |
| 20:32.38 | comawhite | iPad* |
| 20:32.48 | comawhite | I get my n900 wednesday :D |
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| 20:34.42 | Senkrad_Luna | GAN900: or set up mythtv and skip commercials altogether |
| 20:34.44 | aep | i wonder if the N900s usb-mode is something hardware based or entirely software. I'm considering abusing it to mount a network share into my TV via usb mass storage interface :) |
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| 20:35.35 | aep | at least the drive isnt FAT, so it cant possibly be exposed directly |
| 20:35.55 | Senkrad_Luna | comawhite: congrats it is great to have and I am little more than sensible user. |
| 20:36.01 | nox- | well MyDocs usually is fat... |
| 20:36.03 | GAN900 | Senkrad_Luna, live sports. |
| 20:36.09 | GAN900 | Only time I watch TV anymore. |
| 20:36.12 | aep | ah.. |
| 20:36.20 | DocScrutinizer | aep: h-e-n hostmode is a kernel path to fix a few hw flaws |
| 20:36.31 | RST38h | GAN: Senkrad is actually giving a good idea |
| 20:36.38 | Senkrad_Luna | aep:the USB is a hardware issue from what I have read |
| 20:37.02 | nox- | yeah id say so too |
| 20:37.04 | Senkrad_Luna | I love my 5TB raid6 MythTV box. :P |
| 20:37.10 | RST38h | GAN: Either set up MythtV or (easier) get a recorder box with skip feature (probably semi-illegal in the US, but you can order one online) |
| 20:37.20 | javispedro | aep: partially hardware (there's a FAT partition), so you cannot. |
| 20:37.26 | aep | right. thanks |
| 20:37.42 | Senkrad_Luna | Though admittedly I only use digital in the uk. |
| 20:38.24 | alterego | Bored now |
| 20:38.29 | nox- | prefers vdr over mythtv... |
| 20:38.39 | MohammadAG | starts on his mediabar project |
| 20:38.57 | Senkrad_Luna | So why not try your original ego and see if it got more fun while you were gone. |
| 20:38.58 | alterego | mohammediabar? |
| 20:39.11 | MohammadAG | shoots alterego |
| 20:39.15 | alterego | ^.^ |
| 20:39.23 | aep | can i switch usb-mode on/off at least via a script? ALternative solution would be to copy stuff around |
| 20:39.32 | DocScrutinizer | aep: yes |
| 20:39.41 | alterego | I wanna do something in QML, but I dunno what. |
| 20:39.44 | aep | awesome. got a hint? |
| 20:40.04 | comawhite | Senkrad_Luna: the only thing, I won't have phone service for a while though |
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| 20:40.13 | MohammadAG | aep, you can check the source of h-e-n's GUI, it's quite simple (till I update it) |
| 20:40.18 | DocScrutinizer | look at h-e-n.garage.maemo.org, into paul's branch in SCM |
| 20:40.23 | MohammadAG | simple echos into procfs |
| 20:40.23 | aep | thanks |
| 20:40.26 | MohammadAG | or that ^ |
| 20:40.35 | MohammadAG | alterego, the dishes! |
| 20:40.37 | aep | MohammadAG: uh yeah? |
| 20:41.07 | aep | know it offhand? otherwise i'll grep it in the source |
| 20:41.21 | Senkrad_Luna | comawhite: I have found it worth it. I bought mine from a nokia shop and have found it a great investment. |
| 20:41.22 | DocScrutinizer | *sigh* what do you need? |
| 20:41.38 | aep | DocScrutinizer: me? |
| 20:41.40 | MohammadAG | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=h-e-n;a=commit;h=d7f76e505b16f7e9305c59c51d02fb1473ab5b2c |
| 20:41.41 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 20:42.00 | aep | that :D |
| 20:42.01 | aep | thanks MohammadAG |
| 20:42.13 | Senkrad_Luna | Made sure to get one for my wife to reduce my support commitments. :P |
| 20:42.13 | MohammadAG | I just linked you to <DocScrutinizer> look at h-e-n.garage.maemo.org, into paul's branch in SCM :) |
| 20:42.15 | MohammadAG | anyways |
| 20:42.28 | MohammadAG | wonders how big (in pixels) a mediabar should be |
| 20:42.58 | comawhite | what's mms? |
| 20:43.20 | DocScrutinizer | ~what's mms? |
| 20:43.20 | infobot | mms is, like, console mpg123 frontend, with nice ncurses interface which can be found in debian source format at http://yacoob.dnsalias.net/debian/, or the protocol used by Windows Media Player (probably stands for Mostly Microsoft Stuff), or mplayer -dumpstream mms://blah |
| 20:43.23 | alterego | Meh, I'll just work on some more QML framework like stuff. |
| 20:43.43 | MohammadAG | lol fail :P |
| 20:43.44 | MohammadAG | ~MMS |
| 20:43.44 | infobot | mms is, like, console mpg123 frontend, with nice ncurses interface which can be found in debian source format at http://yacoob.dnsalias.net/debian/, or the protocol used by Windows Media Player (probably stands for Mostly Microsoft Stuff), or mplayer -dumpstream mms://blah |
| 20:43.49 | comawhite | fail |
| 20:43.51 | MohammadAG | bigger fail |
| 20:44.06 | comawhite | ~phone mms |
| 20:44.14 | comawhite | failed |
| 20:44.20 | MohammadAG | infobot, mms is also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimedia_Messaging_Service |
| 20:44.20 | infobot | MohammadAG: okay |
| 20:44.25 | MohammadAG | ~mms |
| 20:44.25 | infobot | methinks mms is console mpg123 frontend, with nice ncurses interface which can be found in debian source format at http://yacoob.dnsalias.net/debian/, or the protocol used by Windows Media Player (probably stands for Mostly Microsoft Stuff), or mplayer -dumpstream mms://blah, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimedia_Messaging_Service |
| 20:44.33 | comawhite | MohammadAG: I got it |
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| 20:46.40 | comawhite | all you guys use t-mobile for carriers eh? (US) |
| 20:48.06 | comawhite | that's weak ttw = $99 -_- |
| 20:48.11 | comawhite | much like at&t |
| 20:48.24 | alterego | is Vodafone |
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| 20:48.46 | alterego | The N900 is unlocked though, you can use it with any carrier. |
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| 20:48.54 | comawhite | yeah |
| 20:49.17 | aep | weird. whats the "Connect to USB Device" dialog for, when it exposes all devices before i even select something? |
| 20:49.25 | comawhite | but this carrier doesn't support all the us though major cities, idk about Europe though |
| 20:50.04 | comawhite | this is why I hate cell phones, companies rip you off |
| 20:50.27 | RST38h | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/m/mbarcode-plugin-qrcode/mbarcode-plugin-qrcode_0.0.6-0_armel.deb Hash Sum mismatch |
| 20:51.19 | aep | ok it doesnt... apparantly /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode has nothing to do with mass storage emulation |
| 20:51.56 | Senkrad_Luna | T-Mobile is over here in the uk. |
| 20:52.02 | aep | MohammadAG: did i read that stuff incorrectly? |
| 20:52.07 | comawhite | Senkrad_Luna: didn't know :P |
| 20:52.43 | comawhite | too bad Verizon and Spirit wasn't supported |
| 20:52.51 | javispedro | aep: musb_hdrc is hostmode |
| 20:53.10 | aep | yeah, thats what i thought. nothing to do with what i want |
| 20:53.39 | javispedro | and what do you want? :) |
| 20:53.47 | aep | switch on/off mass storage mode |
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| 20:54.02 | javispedro | to enable something else? |
| 20:54.12 | luke-jr | alterego: not in the USA :P |
| 20:54.17 | luke-jr | alterego: it only works with T-Mobile here |
| 20:54.28 | aep | yeah, i want to mount the device locally, copy a file, then enable mass storage |
| 20:54.30 | javispedro | aep: you need to enable "something" or else windows as a host will stop sending power to your device |
| 20:54.36 | luke-jr | comawhite: what's $99? |
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| 20:55.00 | aep | uh, the host is a TV. i doubt its smart enough to do anything like that |
| 20:55.20 | comawhite | luke-jr: umlimited text, minutes, web |
| 20:55.23 | comawhite | for tmobile |
| 20:55.36 | javispedro | aep: the "host mode emulation" is g_file_storage, there's extensive docs for it in the Linux kernel; you can do stuff like simulating eject events and the like |
| 20:55.39 | javispedro | errrrr |
| 20:55.51 | javispedro | s/host mode emulation/mass storage emulation/ |
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| 20:56.05 | aep | javispedro: aaah, thanks |
| 20:56.47 | aep | hmm i wonder if the TV is even smart enough to understand eject |
| 20:56.49 | javispedro | aep: usually rmmod g_file_storage works for killing mass storage, but to restart it you need to set all the luns etc manually or just use the UI |
| 20:57.02 | aep | dont want the gui :( |
| 20:57.06 | javispedro | unless someone knows how to trick ke-recv |
| 20:58.37 | GAN900 | RST38h, got that, doesn't help watching live sports. |
| 20:59.04 | MohammadAG | alterego, ping |
| 20:59.11 | alterego | yup? |
| 20:59.17 | RST38h | GAN: You mean, they started overlaying commercials onto live sports??? |
| 20:59.36 | MohammadAG | alterego, ever used Qt::tooltip |
| 20:59.39 | lcuk | RST38h, thats been there for a long time |
| 20:59.43 | lcuk | shirts have advertising on |
| 20:59.45 | MohammadAG | Qt::ToolTip even |
| 20:59.46 | alterego | MohammadAG: nope |
| 21:00.26 | luke-jr | comawhite: I just do unlimited web for $0 :p |
| 21:01.28 | RST38h | lcuk: Haven't watched sports, like, ever :) |
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| 21:02.03 | luke-jr | comawhite: anyhow, AFAIK, TMo is the *only* provider in the US with unlimited data |
| 21:02.25 | GAN900 | RST38h, most of them aren't on ATSC, so I'd need something to encode component. |
| 21:02.32 | GAN900 | Which is too expensive. |
| 21:02.48 | comawhite | luke-jr: there is http://www.mysimplemobile.com/ (which newegg list that is compatible) for $60 unlimited everything but it's GSM coverage is spotty: http://www.mysimplemobile.com/Simple-Mobile-Coverage.aspx |
| 21:02.51 | comawhite | for US at least |
| 21:03.25 | luke-jr | never heard of it |
| 21:03.26 | MohammadAG | sighs |
| 21:03.28 | RST38h | GAN: My BBK (Oppo in US) recorder will do it automatically |
| 21:04.20 | RST38h | from either of two component inputs too :) |
| 21:04.30 | luke-jr | comawhite: if you want $0 for unlimited data only, you need to get a prepaid SIM, convince T-Mo to let you switch to the Sidekick/Hiptop plan (no longer available officially), then get your balance to something between $0.01 and $).14 |
| 21:04.35 | MohammadAG | alterego, hildon fails sometimes, this widget only shows in the task manager, and it doesn't capture mouse events http://i54.tinypic.com/2eandr5.jpg |
| 21:05.23 | comawhite | luke-jr: o_O |
| 21:05.48 | alterego | Heh, nice |
| 21:06.57 | luke-jr | end result: 1) you can't make calls, because they're 15c/min, 2) you can't do texts, because they can't bill you the $1/day plan fee, 3) your account won't expire, because it has a balance, but 4) data still works |
| 21:07.22 | comawhite | luke-jr: TMobiles prepaid is better than the contract, $70 for unlimited talk and text with 2GB data |
| 21:07.27 | myu | hey |
| 21:07.42 | RST38h | luke <== cunning |
| 21:07.46 | myu | im getting a cannot load FM radio drive module |
| 21:07.50 | comawhite | I just really care for the web rather than texting and phone |
| 21:07.53 | luke-jr | comawhite: TMobile's no-contract postpaid is better than the contract |
| 21:08.07 | luke-jr | the contract is for people who want "free" phones |
| 21:08.13 | comawhite | ah |
| 21:08.13 | myu | yeah |
| 21:08.17 | myu | thats what I got |
| 21:08.20 | myu | no contract |
| 21:08.22 | myu | unlimited |
| 21:08.23 | comawhite | :) |
| 21:08.24 | myu | 70 dollars |
| 21:08.32 | myu | 500 minutes, unlimited sms, unlimited 3g |
| 21:08.33 | luke-jr | I have unlimited talk+text for $30/mo |
| 21:08.34 | comawhite | yup |
| 21:08.36 | luke-jr | but I'm about to cancel it |
| 21:08.43 | comawhite | luke-jr: why |
| 21:08.45 | luke-jr | CDMA only |
| 21:08.50 | comawhite | eww |
| 21:08.50 | luke-jr | and poor coverage here |
| 21:08.57 | comawhite | isn't CDMA us only? |
| 21:09.01 | RST38h | no |
| 21:09.03 | luke-jr | no, China also has CDMA |
| 21:09.14 | comawhite | ah |
| 21:09.14 | RST38h | Lots of places have CDMA, including Europe |
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| 21:09.18 | comawhite | what about Europe? |
| 21:09.29 | RST38h | Except that it is not as widespread as GSM/UMTS |
| 21:10.01 | alterego | I should probably set up my blog again .. |
| 21:10.08 | comawhite | the only problem is the prepaid plans aren't customisable |
| 21:10.48 | luke-jr | comawhite: T-Mobile has some loyalty discounts after N months i hear |
| 21:12.40 | luke-jr | hmm, this MySimpleMobile coverage map looks identical to T-Mobile's |
| 21:13.04 | myu | hey |
| 21:13.24 | myu | does anyone know what tmobiles STMP outgoing server is? |
| 21:13.25 | comawhite | luke-jr: naw, t mobile is much more in the central us than simple mobile |
| 21:13.32 | myu | **smtp |
| 21:13.41 | luke-jr | comawhite: uh, no? |
| 21:13.52 | comawhite | according to this: http://coverage.t-mobile.com/Default.aspx |
| 21:13.53 | luke-jr | comawhite: I used to live in central US. no service *at all* |
| 21:14.06 | MohammadAG | alterego, figured it out, Qt::X11BypassWindowManagerHint ftw! |
| 21:14.11 | comawhite | weird |
| 21:14.21 | MohammadAG | alterego, you know how to animate windows right? |
| 21:14.28 | MohammadAG | widgets even |
| 21:14.29 | RST38h | ehhehe |
| 21:15.03 | comawhite | I wonder if there is an activation fee for tmobile's mobile |
| 21:15.11 | RST38h | Qt::DoThatLittleTrickSomePeopleAskYouToDoEveryNowAndThen |
| 21:15.14 | comawhite | prepaid* |
| 21:15.23 | luke-jr | there is |
| 21:15.32 | luke-jr | or at least, they charge for the SIM |
| 21:15.35 | alterego | Yes |
| 21:15.41 | luke-jr | comawhite: just setup OpenBTS |
| 21:15.56 | alterego | MohammadAG: what kind of animation were you thinking of? |
| 21:16.00 | comawhite | HA |
| 21:16.20 | MohammadAG | alterego, sliding from and to the side |
| 21:16.30 | alterego | Easy |
| 21:16.47 | alterego | create a QPropertyAnimation(widget, "geometry", this); |
| 21:16.58 | alterego | set the animation duration and possibly an easing curve. |
| 21:17.20 | alterego | Then when yo uwant to move your widget, setStartValue and setEndValue |
| 21:17.47 | alterego | to a QRect describing the geometry of your widget (position & size) |
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| 21:18.55 | comawhite | luke-jr: only shit, $1.60 to Germany with tmobile's prepaid, I can get $0.02 per minute with simplemobile |
| 21:18.58 | comawhite | holy* |
| 21:20.42 | luke-jr | comawhite: SIP over GPRS ⺠|
| 21:20.49 | comawhite | eh? |
| 21:21.21 | luke-jr | that's how I do it |
| 21:21.46 | comawhite | What phones work on Simple Mobile 3G? Only phones with 1700/2100 AWS band work on our 3G network. |
| 21:23.37 | alterego | builds the latest creator rc |
| 21:23.45 | alterego | I wonder what features it has |
| 21:28.16 | luke-jr | "Simple Mobile is an MVNO on T-Mobile's network. T-Mobile's coverage area is Simple Mobile's coverage area. And unless I'm reading Simple Mobile's site wrong, they have no roaming agreements, so if you leave T-Mobile's coverage area, you get nothing at all." |
| 21:28.47 | luke-jr | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63950 |
| 21:28.58 | comawhite | It runs on the 850/900/1800/1900 MHz GSM/GPRS/EDGE frequencies as well as the 900/1700/2100 MHz HSPA 3G frequencies. |
| 21:29.06 | comawhite | seems to be incompat with simplemobile |
| 21:29.28 | luke-jr | comawhite: how do you figure? O.o |
| 21:29.48 | comawhite | I don't see 1700/2100 in GSM |
| 21:29.59 | luke-jr | your Simple Mobile FAQ post was about 3G |
| 21:30.05 | luke-jr | GSM is 2G |
| 21:30.10 | comawhite | well I don't know shit about cell phnes |
| 21:30.11 | comawhite | :P |
| 21:30.18 | comawhite | phones* |
| 21:30.56 | luke-jr | sounds like SM limits data to under 1 GB⦠|
| 21:31.21 | comawhite | says unlimited at $60? |
| 21:31.33 | comawhite | but then again you have to read the fine print on that |
| 21:31.33 | luke-jr | right, apparently 1000 MB is 'unlimited' to them |
| 21:31.39 | comawhite | ah |
| 21:31.44 | alterego | That what most providers say .. |
| 21:31.48 | comawhite | see you get fucked by the fine print |
| 21:32.04 | comawhite | i hate when companies do that shit |
| 21:32.30 | luke-jr | I wish one would at least do 56k type service |
| 21:32.31 | alterego | A real unlimited contract will be based on an FUP |
| 21:32.52 | luke-jr | 56k might not be fast, but it can sure beat 1000 GB |
| 21:32.55 | luke-jr | 1000 MB* |
| 21:33.01 | luke-jr | heck, 56k can beat 1000 GB too |
| 21:33.12 | luke-jr | maybe not |
| 21:33.15 | comawhite | 56k o_O |
| 21:33.18 | nox- | haha |
| 21:33.31 | comawhite | hold on lemme dial in to my phone |
| 21:33.35 | comawhite | xD |
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| 21:34.00 | comawhite | *dialup sound* H i I lov e u |
| 21:34.48 | luke-jr | nah, 56k is just 17.8 GB/mo |
| 21:35.14 | luke-jr | still better than 1 GB tho |
| 21:36.15 | comawhite | But I doubt i'll be using 1GB for a whole month |
| 21:36.37 | comawhite | desktop that is a different story, i use about 235GB of bandwidth |
| 21:36.43 | luke-jr | comawhite: you can get T-Mo 500 min Talk+Text for $50, then add unlimited data for $10 :P |
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| 21:37.34 | comawhite | prepaid or contract? |
| 21:37.36 | NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, ping, even |
| 21:37.38 | luke-jr | contract |
| 21:37.49 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, damn you |
| 21:37.52 | luke-jr | or get just the Talk/Text, wait a month, call em up to cancel |
| 21:37.53 | NooBmonk3y | hehehehe |
| 21:37.57 | NooBmonk3y | evening :) |
| 21:37.58 | luke-jr | ask retentions for $5/mo data to stay on⦠|
| 21:38.06 | MohammadAG | aftermidnight |
| 21:38.11 | NooBmonk3y | Well done on the u-booty thingy :) |
| 21:38.14 | MohammadAG | well, beforemidnight, whatever :P |
| 21:38.19 | NooBmonk3y | but a quick question befor eyou go back to slumber :P |
| 21:38.31 | MohammadAG | thanks, it was a bricked on the first build |
| 21:38.36 | comawhite | i think imma go to SM and give it a whirl (no contract) |
| 21:38.37 | MohammadAG | bricker* |
| 21:38.39 | NooBmonk3y | lol - hence my question? :P |
| 21:38.48 | NooBmonk3y | worth installing and trying meego for the first time? |
| 21:38.57 | MohammadAG | it doesn't brick now :P |
| 21:39.01 | NooBmonk3y | wooop |
| 21:39.07 | MohammadAG | if you want to develop for it, sure! |
| 21:39.11 | NooBmonk3y | so install that, then install meego i assume |
| 21:39.13 | NooBmonk3y | yup |
| 21:39.56 | NooBmonk3y | thankeeeeee |
| 21:39.59 | luke-jr | my dad pays under $100/mo for 5 lines from Sprint -.- |
| 21:40.14 | luke-jr | why are GSM/HSPA services so insanely expensive? |
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| 21:41.01 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/19/0,,i=193488&sz=1,00.jpg |
| 21:41.24 | NooBmonk3y | ? |
| 21:41.26 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, keep that in mind for the next umm, 5 mins? |
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| 21:41.46 | NooBmonk3y | ummmm ok's |
| 21:44.41 | NooBmonk3y | meh wget not found lol |
| 21:45.47 | MohammadAG | apt-get install it, and use apt for my package, please! |
| 21:46.23 | NooBmonk3y | i am :) |
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| 21:47.31 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, http://i53.tinypic.com/5mibtw.jpg |
| 21:47.44 | NooBmonk3y | oooo i like! |
| 21:47.47 | NooBmonk3y | i like alot! |
| 21:48.32 | MohammadAG | proximity sensor is always on, put it to use, make the N900 5800-esque (is that a good thing?) |
| 21:49.45 | NooBmonk3y | well, kinda |
| 21:49.47 | NooBmonk3y | looks cool |
| 21:50.10 | MohammadAG | now to figure out how to ...<alterego> create a QPropertyAnimation(widget, "geometry", this); |
| 21:50.36 | NooBmonk3y | :P |
| 21:50.58 | Jaffa | crashanddie: ping |
| 21:51.06 | MohammadAG | oh, and how to handle dbus app launching without hardcoding it (and with .desktop file support) |
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| 21:51.43 | lolloo_ | help needed urget guys! |
| 21:52.12 | alterego | It'd be cool if you could do more with that and make some media controls |
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| 21:52.19 | lolloo_ | i want to flash my phone but it keeps booting to meego! |
| 21:52.31 | NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, 2 meego images? http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php |
| 21:52.32 | lolloo_ | i keep pressing 'u' |
| 21:52.39 | alterego | lolloo_: take out the micro sd card? |
| 21:52.41 | lolloo_ | but it doesnt boot in flash mode |
| 21:52.54 | lolloo_ | it directly boots to meego! |
| 21:52.58 | lolloo_ | yeah i did that |
| 21:53.06 | lolloo_ | it keep restarting itself |
| 21:53.08 | NooBmonk3y | that doesnt bode well, i'm just about to try meego lol |
| 21:53.25 | lolloo_ | i have uboot installed |
| 21:53.31 | lolloo_ | but uboot keeps booting |
| 21:53.44 | lolloo_ | i kept pressing 'u' to enter flash mode |
| 21:53.46 | lolloo_ | but it doesnt |
| 21:54.31 | NooBmonk3y | :| |
| 21:54.33 | Arkenoi | is trying to find conboy replacement as tomboy sucks badly. evernote does not have desktop client at all :-/ any other option? |
| 21:57.36 | lolloo_ | when i connect the usb while the phone is off, i keep pressing 'u', but u-boot keeps booting |
| 21:57.42 | lolloo_ | ignoring 'u' |
| 22:01.12 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, I just used the 07 Dec image |
| 22:01.51 | lolloo_ | why does it keep booting to meego |
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| 22:02.11 | lolloo_ | i cant stop it ! |
| 22:02.22 | MohammadAG | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.80/1.1.80.9.20101207.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.80.9.20101207.1-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 NooBmonk3y |
| 22:03.49 | lolloo_ | i cant flash my phone anymoe, u-boot keeps booting into meego |
| 22:04.52 | MohammadAG | remove the battery, run flasher till it says Waiting for device or whatever, connect the USB, insert battery |
| 22:05.01 | NooBmonk3y | ty Mo! :) :) |
| 22:06.39 | MohammadAG | yw |
| 22:07.13 | NooBmonk3y | lol was 150kb/s and going sloooooooooooow, now randomly 1.5mb/s lol |
| 22:07.20 | NooBmonk3y | and dropping back down again :( |
| 22:07.41 | NooBmonk3y | back to 150 :( |
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| 22:08.35 | NooBmonk3y | blinks |
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| 22:09.54 | Saviq | hi all, do you maybe have an explanation of this behavior with the N900 battery - when reflashed, clean, it lasted 4-5 days on light use, but when I synced some music, that dropped to about 2 days... |
| 22:10.09 | Termana | good morning |
| 22:10.13 | Saviq | I'm thinking about maybe tracker being a bit aggressive on the CPU? does it scan when on battery and not directly requested? |
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| 22:10.57 | comawhite | how are the ovi maps (latest firwware)? |
| 22:12.23 | NooBmonk3y | Saviq, never got more then 14 hours, you don't use it enough :P |
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| 22:12.29 | NooBmonk3y | morning Termana |
| 22:12.35 | Saviq | NooBmonk3y: not me, my wife |
| 22:12.49 | Saviq | NooBmonk3y: I'm getting 1-1.5 days at the most |
| 22:12.56 | NooBmonk3y | :P |
| 22:12.59 | lolloo_ | guys, even when i connect my charger to my phone u-boot start |
| 22:13.04 | lolloo_ | and lets me into meego |
| 22:13.09 | NooBmonk3y | lolloo_, is it on the memory card? |
| 22:13.21 | lolloo_ | yes but i have remove the memory card |
| 22:13.24 | Saviq | lolloo_: you need to either remove the sd card or write 'run noloboot' |
| 22:13.25 | NooBmonk3y | random! |
| 22:13.47 | Saviq | lolloo_: you have removed the sd card and you're still getting meego!? |
| 22:14.11 | Saviq | that doesn't sound right, unless you've flashed it onto the device itself |
| 22:14.16 | lolloo_ | no but it turns off the phone |
| 22:14.32 | lolloo_ | and i when i plug the charger u-boot starts again |
| 22:14.41 | Saviq | lolloo_: yes, that's normal |
| 22:14.48 | NooBmonk3y | lolloo_, guide says "If you are unable to get back into Maemo, please follow http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware in order to reflash your device. This will destroy your current Maemo setup, but return your device to a working state" |
| 22:14.51 | lolloo_ | really? |
| 22:15.02 | Saviq | when you didn't have uboot it still started a minimal maemo system |
| 22:15.05 | Saviq | to handle the charging |
| 22:15.17 | lolloo_ | but when i keep pressing U it still boots to u-boot |
| 22:15.23 | NooBmonk3y | or "For the technically minded, you can flasher '-F <firmware image> -u' and 'flasher -f zImage -R' to get your original kernel back and hopefully get back to your current Maemo setup. If you have used other kernels than PR1.3 kernel as is required, this will not work." |
| 22:15.23 | Saviq | and that's exactly what happens now |
| 22:16.34 | lolloo_ | ok minimal maemo system |
| 22:16.39 | lolloo_ | but u-boot starts |
| 22:16.46 | lolloo_ | and no light |
| 22:17.01 | lolloo_ | but i can see it booting. |
| 22:17.01 | Saviq | lolloo_: that's normal when you connect a charger |
| 22:17.25 | lolloo_ | ok what shall i do, i know how flash procedure goes |
| 22:17.26 | Saviq | U only works when connecting to a USB port |
| 22:17.40 | Saviq | lolloo_: the procedure is the same |
| 22:18.00 | lolloo_ | yes thats the problem, i cant let my pc recognise my phone as flash nokia |
| 22:18.50 | MohammadAG | blame windows |
| 22:19.00 | lolloo_ | heh |
| 22:19.41 | lolloo_ | strange, when i connect my charger while its off, u-boot starts |
| 22:19.48 | lolloo_ | and then lets me go to meego |
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| 22:19.55 | Saviq | meego or maemo? |
| 22:19.57 | lolloo_ | even without turning on the phone |
| 22:20.02 | lolloo_ | meego |
| 22:20.08 | Saviq | with the sd card out? |
| 22:20.20 | MohammadAG | that's not possible |
| 22:20.24 | NooBmonk3y | thats what i thought |
| 22:20.25 | lolloo_ | with sd card out it run noloboot automatically |
| 22:20.28 | jacekowski | uboot is in nand |
| 22:20.32 | lolloo_ | but the phones turns off |
| 22:20.47 | Saviq | lolloo_: and that's standard behavior when connecting to a charger |
| 22:20.47 | jacekowski | but probably has no checking for sd card |
| 22:20.57 | Saviq | jacekowski: it does |
| 22:21.10 | Saviq | jacekowski: it tries the mmc and runs nolo otherwis |
| 22:21.15 | Saviq | +e |
| 22:21.20 | MohammadAG | default is mmc, indeed |
| 22:21.40 | lolloo_ | yes it run noloboot but after that it turns off |
| 22:21.43 | lardman | night all |
| 22:21.46 | Saviq | lolloo_: when connecting to a PC the device should be 'hijacked' by flasher |
| 22:21.47 | NooBmonk3y | night lardman |
| 22:21.48 | MohammadAG | run it again |
| 22:21.50 | MohammadAG | that's normal |
| 22:21.53 | MohammadAG | night larsivi |
| 22:21.59 | lolloo_ | your right Saviq |
| 22:22.01 | MohammadAG | sighs, sorry |
| 22:22.03 | lolloo_ | but it doest |
| 22:22.05 | lolloo_ | not |
| 22:22.16 | MohammadAG | windows |
| 22:22.27 | Saviq | yeah, that's probably the issue |
| 22:22.29 | MohammadAG | it can't enumerate devices quickly |
| 22:22.34 | NooBmonk3y | night alls ;) - may try meego tomorrow ;) |
| 22:22.39 | MohammadAG | night NooBmonk3y |
| 22:22.41 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: nah |
| 22:22.45 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: nolo will wait |
| 22:22.54 | NooBmonk3y | ty for your help earlier mo, see ya'll 2moro |
| 22:22.56 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: for a while |
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| 22:23.04 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: it's only internal ROM that's impatient |
| 22:23.05 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, idk, never flashed with windows, but uboot immediately starts |
| 22:23.16 | MohammadAG | less than a second |
| 22:23.19 | lolloo_ | yes uboot imediatly starts! |
| 22:23.31 | jacekowski | with U pressed? |
| 22:23.36 | lolloo_ | yes |
| 22:23.40 | Saviq | jacekowski: yes, same here |
| 22:23.40 | jacekowski | that shouldn't happen |
| 22:23.55 | jacekowski | unless they changed something in new nolo |
| 22:24.07 | Saviq | lolloo_: that's because flasher on windows does not 'hijack' the device fast enough |
| 22:24.14 | lolloo_ | yes maybe |
| 22:24.27 | jacekowski | Saviq: there is no need for that |
| 22:24.29 | Arkenoi | thinks about designing alternate back cover (with better stand and maybe even microsd to sd slot converter) and manufacturing it in china.. would you buy such a thing? |
| 22:24.31 | lolloo_ | but when connecting charger meego start even without turning on the phone |
| 22:24.34 | MohammadAG | on ubuntu it works nicely |
| 22:24.47 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, no, U works on ubuntu, told you it's windows |
| 22:24.50 | Saviq | jacekowski: oh wait, actually it waits when U is pressed _while_ turning on |
| 22:24.56 | Saviq | lolloo_: tried that ^? |
| 22:24.59 | jacekowski | Saviq: if nolo detects 5V on usb port it will wait |
| 22:25.14 | jacekowski | untill some timeout |
| 22:25.19 | jacekowski | i don't remember how long |
| 22:25.30 | Saviq | jacekowski: uboot starts immediately here |
| 22:25.33 | Saviq | like half a second |
| 22:25.37 | jacekowski | if enumeration happens |
| 22:25.48 | jacekowski | it will stay like that for very long time |
| 22:25.53 | jacekowski | otherwise will switch off |
| 22:25.55 | Saviq | unless I keep U pressed |
| 22:26.02 | jacekowski | or boot linux |
| 22:26.21 | jacekowski | possibly |
| 22:26.31 | jacekowski | i never disassembled 1.3 nolo |
| 22:26.32 | jacekowski | just 1.2 |
| 22:26.46 | luke-jr | 1.3 has new NOLO? |
| 22:26.51 | jacekowski | yes |
| 22:26.56 | jacekowski | there are some minor changes |
| 22:27.07 | Saviq | lolloo_: try pressing U _while_ connecting the USB cable |
| 22:27.18 | jacekowski | but i never looked what are they exactly |
| 22:27.31 | Saviq | lolloo_: stays on flash-mode until I disconnect it |
| 22:27.55 | MohammadAG | (or run flasher-3.5 -R) |
| 22:28.10 | lolloo_ | yes i keep it open |
| 22:28.16 | lolloo_ | but it doesnt catch it |
| 22:28.36 | Saviq | lolloo_: "open"? you mean pressed? |
| 22:28.53 | lolloo_ | i mean flasher |
| 22:29.00 | lolloo_ | and also 'u' |
| 22:29.00 | Saviq | ah ok |
| 22:29.13 | lolloo_ | bok now i removed mmc, |
| 22:29.18 | lolloo_ | rmeoved back cover |
| 22:29.25 | lolloo_ | and connected charger |
| 22:29.30 | lolloo_ | but keeps rebooting |
| 22:29.34 | lolloo_ | and doesnt recharge |
| 22:29.48 | MohammadAG | well, something's wrong with your modules then |
| 22:29.52 | Saviq | lolloo_: do you mean to flash or to recharge? |
| 22:30.03 | MohammadAG | Saviq, I think he has the kernel without the modules |
| 22:30.22 | lolloo_ | how can i solve that? |
| 22:30.29 | lolloo_ | it keeps rebooting |
| 22:30.39 | MohammadAG | flash stock kernel |
| 22:30.40 | lolloo_ | while charger plugged |
| 22:31.05 | lolloo_ | i would love to flash, |
| 22:31.06 | lolloo_ | but |
| 22:31.24 | lolloo_ | u-boot starts and ignores key 'u' |
| 22:31.35 | MohammadAG | that's impossible |
| 22:31.41 | lolloo_ | wow |
| 22:31.46 | MohammadAG | since it's not the kernel that handles U |
| 22:31.58 | MohammadAG | hold U, then plug the cable |
| 22:33.38 | lolloo_ | even when holding 'u' u-boot starts ignoring me |
| 22:34.38 | MohammadAG | u-boot isn't even present when you should be holding U |
| 22:35.29 | lolloo_ | so strange, that penguin keeps showing up |
| 22:35.43 | lolloo_ | even with u key presses and then i plug usb |
| 22:35.44 | Saviq | lolloo_: why do you connect the charger? |
| 22:36.01 | lolloo_ | just checking |
| 22:36.14 | MohammadAG | k, do this |
| 22:36.16 | MohammadAG | plug in the USB |
| 22:36.25 | MohammadAG | when uboot starts, press any key |
| 22:36.30 | lolloo_ | ok |
| 22:36.37 | MohammadAG | type reset, press enter and immediately hold U |
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| 22:37.43 | lolloo_ | it ignores u! and the penguin shows up |
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| 22:41.08 | lolloo_ | ok rmeoved mmc, back cover, connected usb, booted to u-boot, pressed anykey |
| 22:41.20 | lolloo_ | typed reset and imediatly pressed 'u' |
| 22:41.29 | lolloo_ | but it still keeps booting back to u-boot |
| 22:41.34 | lolloo_ | as if nothing pressed |
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| 22:42.21 | MohammadAG | k, windows is retarded, usb a hub (might not work) or boot into linux |
| 22:42.31 | lolloo_ | alright |
| 22:42.36 | lolloo_ | maybe windows. |
| 22:42.43 | MohammadAG | thp, ping |
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| 22:47.19 | lolloo_ | thanks Moh. i will try ubuntu live cd. |
| 22:47.36 | lolloo_ | reset command is good one too. |
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| 22:56.42 | crashanddie | Jaffa: pong |
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| 23:33.03 | MohammadAG | LOL? ^ |
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| 23:42.34 | BCMM_ | MohammadAG: does your client not show you global notices? |
| 23:43.45 | MohammadAG | it does |
| 23:43.59 | MohammadAG | but the notice came in 5 minutes after it quit |
| 23:44.08 | BCMM_ | heh, didn't notice that |
| 23:44.24 | BCMM_ | that sounds like quite a database issue... |
| 23:44.45 | thp | MohammadAG: pong |
| 23:45.30 | MohammadAG | hey thp :) you've worked with parsing .desktop files before right? |
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| 23:49.03 | Jaffa | crashanddie: was pondering on who it was you tapped up for MohammadAG's efforts. |
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| 23:50.46 | Arkenoi | btw did anyone ever successfully got flash 10.1 from TI? |
| 23:50.52 | MohammadAG | thp, thought you might be interested in http://i53.tinypic.com/qqtv6s.jpg, as it's hardcoded to those apps for now |
| 23:51.03 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps did, don't bother asking him though |
| 23:51.51 | Arkenoi | wow |
| 23:51.53 | Jaffa | And it's shit |
| 23:52.00 | Arkenoi | so it is really possible |
| 23:52.02 | MohammadAG | ^ |
| 23:52.19 | Arkenoi | almost sure it is shit, as it has no hw acceleration anyways |
| 23:52.25 | Arkenoi | any other problems with it? |
| 23:52.45 | MohammadAG | probably doesn't include flash 10.1 features |
| 23:52.57 | MohammadAG | i.e you're better off with a sed'd version |
| 23:55.29 | Arkenoi | 10.1 which is not really 10.1? omfg. |
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| 23:56.46 | MohammadAG | anyone used quilt in here? |
| 23:58.50 | Termana | MohammadAG, what do you want to know? Is it a complex problem? :p |
| 23:59.20 | MohammadAG | Termana, why do I have a feeling you've never used it? |
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| 23:59.59 | Termana | MohammadAG, sure I have, the MeeGo kernel tree uses quilt |
